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I'm finding it difficult to believe that an referee turned a 21yard free into a penalty?

Casement saga in court next week it appears.

Cloughmills player ran in and tackled McKernan when he was striking the free from 25 yards. Jackie booked the Cloughmills player and awarded a penalty. Sarsfields scored their goal from the rebound.

So is this adjudged to be a separate infringement and hence the penalty award?
But surely even this wasnt within the square?
I would have though book the guy and move to a more advantageous position?
Did Cloughmills not go crazy at the time! Seems a strange one to me!

Going crazy on the sideline is a different thing from in the heat of battle just getting on with it as players - would Jackie has changes his mind? Probably not and issued a yellow card. It was not inside the box (either infraction) and it appears should not have become a penalty in any event - should have been moves forward to the more advantageous position as noted. Bit of a disgrace.

Have a lot of sympathy for refs but getting these basic things wrong cost CMills dearly...not necessarily the reason they lost but was a huge turning point.

Can referees not get together and agree positions on things where they come up in games. I was stood not too far away from another well respected referee in the county who called these two things and a couple more differently. A high pressure position alright but the least players deserve is consitency and rules applied.

Yes I understand a referee making a debateable call in an ambiguous scenario - we're all human an all that.
But this just seems such a blatant error in a basic rule!
Hard to get the head round for anyone let alone a cloughmills man!

Think we're on the same wavelength here!

I'm finding it difficult to believe that an referee turned a 21yard free into a penalty?

Casement saga in court next week it appears.

Cloughmills player ran in and tackled McKernan when he was striking the free from 25 yards. Jackie booked the Cloughmills player and awarded a penalty. Sarsfields scored their goal from the rebound.

So is this adjudged to be a separate infringement and hence the penalty award?
But surely even this wasnt within the square?
I would have though book the guy and move to a more advantageous position?
Did Cloughmills not go crazy at the time! Seems a strange one to me!

Going crazy on the sideline is a different thing from in the heat of battle just getting on with it as players - would Jackie has changes his mind? Probably not and issued a yellow card. It was not inside the box (either infraction) and it appears should not have become a penalty in any event - should have been moves forward to the more advantageous position as noted. Bit of a disgrace.

Have a lot of sympathy for refs but getting these basic things wrong cost CMills dearly...not necessarily the reason they lost but was a huge turning point.

Can referees not get together and agree positions on things where they come up in games. I was stood not too far away from another well respected referee in the county who called these two things and a couple more differently. A high pressure position alright but the least players deserve is consitency and rules applied.

[1. Can a 30 yard free ever become a penalty?]

Sarsfields had a man sent off after about 15 mins too so great performance

Mate was at it and said the lights were pathetic

Straight red?

Straight red. Dirty pull.

Took a run over to it. Given I answered your question I've two of my own.

1. Can a 30 yard free ever become a penalty? Sars man went to hit shot for goal quickly, CMills man stepped across. Moved in for a penalty. They scored the rebound.

2. Quick puck out to a player in midfield who had broken a hurl in last phase of play and was running to sideline to get hurl. He had half a stick in hand. He caught, took 2/3 steps and laid off to teammate. Blown up, free given, point. If you have half a stick is that not technically a stick? Would say 75% of players and refs don't actually know exactly what rule is on playing with no stick, handpassing off if you'd dropped it etc.

Cheers

Penalty is when you foul the man in the, well penalty area, foul the ball 21 yard free and if you move it forward for dissent it's still a 21 yard free, anybody can play without a stick stupid rule/nonrule as such

Cheers - both decisions by Jackie were wrong therefore cost CMills 1-1. A bit of salt in their wounds I would say. The penalty was a pretty game-changing moment as got them some momentum as despite CMills getting a fee points after it they never properly shook Sarsfields off.
Momentum is a mad thing in hurling - seriously hard to break.

Was McKenna injured Gladiator - started very well but faded.

Sarsfields had a man sent off after about 15 mins too so great performance

Mate was at it and said the lights were pathetic

Straight red?

Yep, straight red. Late pull to the head. Deserved red. Very strange atmosphere at the game. County couldn't even send down two linesmen to a Senior championship match. Cloughmills threw it away again. Should have won both games, they will be kicking themselves tonight, were 5 points up halfway through the second half but then couldn't win a puckout. Sarsfields had a lot of chances of points in the last 15 minutes and hit a lot of wides, but got there in the end in injury time. Was a competitive game, Sarsfields did well to win having played 45 minutes a man short.

Pretty much agree with all points. CMills had the winning of both games.

Agree re linesmen - at the very least Ballycastle should have been asked (not Ballycastle fault) to provide linesman. One man in CMills top and one in a Sarsfields top. Needless to say the old GAA beauty of "if it's at our side and there is a shred of doubt it's our ball". Not great in senior championship.

In fairness to both teams while lights didn't look great there wasn't much to suggest they had a huge impact. No real dropped catches/fumbles etc.

Daniel McKernan is a Rolls Royce of a wee player - floats along the ground. Shame he wasn't just a wee bit bulkier.

Mickey Devlin for CMills has the makings of a very good player.

Sarsfields had a man sent off after about 15 mins too so great performance

Mate was at it and said the lights were pathetic

Straight red?

Straight red. Dirty pull.

Took a run over to it. Given I answered your question I've two of my own.

1. Can a 30 yard free ever become a penalty? Sars man went to hit shot for goal quickly, CMills man stepped across. Moved in for a penalty. They scored the rebound.

2. Quick puck out to a player in midfield who had broken a hurl in last phase of play and was running to sideline to get hurl. He had half a stick in hand. He caught, took 2/3 steps and laid off to teammate. Blown up, free given, point. If you have half a stick is that not technically a stick? Would say 75% of players and refs don't actually know exactly what rule is on playing with no stick, handpassing off if you'd dropped it etc.

Cheers

Cloughmills are more disciplined and play better hurling. Sarsfields are physical and hard to play against. Travelling to Ballycastle on a Wednesday night might not suit them. Think your right. I'll go Cloughmills this time.

Who had the man sent off in that game?

That's a silly commennt MR2 cloughlmills had the man sent off. A sub who came on for 10 seconds. 1 silly stroke does not mean you can tar the whole team as indisciplined. Mark O'Neill had a poor game so by your logic all referees are poor?? Sarsfields gave away free after free. We're you there by the way?

Read again - he said more disciplined!

Cloughmills are more disciplined and play better hurling. Sarsfields are physical and hard to play against. Travelling to Ballycastle on a Wednesday night might not suit them. Think your right. I'll go Cloughmills this time.

Who had the man sent off in that game?

Cloughmills. Small enough squad already at best of times and with a few missing.

Reckon Sarsfields here.

Think I saw that Watson was playing v O'Loughlin Gaels for LG? Thought he was in America for the summer? Not sure if I missed it on here. Not work out or back already?

Both LG and Ballycastle beat them I think.

He was in the states for a month. He played a couple of games, MOTM in both apparently.

Fair play - good for youse to have him back. Just thought he was away until late summer. Can he play league at minute?

Think I saw that Watson was playing v O'Loughlin Gaels for LG? Thought he was in America for the summer? Not sure if I missed it on here. Not work out or back already?

Both LG and Ballycastle beat them I think.

Cold calling around doors in South Beast wearing a Gaelic top??

Surely more dangerous to be calling around doors in West Belfast with the WRONG gaelic top?!?!

How East would you go?

Rip Jim Mc Clements. True gent. Sad to hear of his passing

+1

Epitome of the word gentleman

You know she can present  GAA if she well capable, but i have doubts she could name the Dublin midfield, who Mark Poland plays for, whos martin Dunne etc, could she name the players of her own county?

You think Des Cahill could tell you who Mark Poland plays for? Come to think of it Spillane and O'Rourke would struggle

Predictions for team line up v Fermanagh?

I'll go with

1. Ronan Hanna
2. Kevin O'Boyle
3. Ricky Johnston
4. Niall Delargy
5. Justin Croizer
6. Martin Johnston
7. James Laverty
8. Sean McVeigh
9. Michael McCann
10. Conor Murray
11. Kevin Niblock
12. Mark Sweeney
13. Paddy Cunningham
14. Niall McKeever
15. Tomas McCann

Niblock still part of squad? Injured?

Was the weather bad/big win? Poor enough scoring from both. Did county men line out at all or not allowed?

Lamh dhearg player was left blind in one eye , eye ruptured by opponent hitting him with but of stick through viser.

I hope that poor lad sues the perpetrator nevermind him being banned for life as he should be. Sickening!! Someone loosing their house might calm one or two down.

Couldn't agree more. This might be the seriously unfortunate incident that goes the full way that shows that there is no place for sheer unadulterated violence on the hurling/Gaelic field. Now I wasn't at the match nor did I see the incident but if it was with the butt and some poor fella has been blinded he deserves to do time as well as be taken for damages.

Too many still go out on the field with an agenda/chip on their shoulders rather than buy into what a privilege it should feel like representing your club/community.

Throw the book at the perpetrator.