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Think Mayo are pacier and more mobile than Kerry but maybe don't have the ability to create scores that Kerry do.

Dublin have showed they're vulnerable without two of the best defenders in the game.

It's wide open.

Agree with the first part. We are a better match athletically but we just don't have Kerry's scoring power, if we could combine the two teams I'd say we'd have a chance of beating the dubs.
Dublin didn't look too vulnerable today in the main. Once they got over the wobble before halftime and Cluxton recovered from his brain farts, the dubs looked reasonably assured again.
The odds tell the story, we're really up against it this time. The dubs look as good as last year by and large and we seem to have regressed. A big 70 mins from the green and red is required to show they are still a force and see if that's enough to bridge the gap. It might be in there.........somewhere

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A programme wouldn't do much harm in fairness.

the point is what the reaction would be if it was Dublin fans.

Relief it wasn't anything worse? Cheer up, Indiana - you've more chips on your shoulder than Leo Burdock sees in a week.

In fairness Kerry fans have some cheek complaining about a Meath ref doing them over in a semi-final. Throwing missiles at the fella (who wasn't a patch on Cormac Reilly by the way) is totally unacceptable. We were rode 9 ways to Sunday 2 years ago in Limerick and, apart from one big clown trying to get on the pitch, the Mayo fans showed unbelievable restraint. Of course you're fit to clatter the fella but you can't resort to physically assaulting him, ever.

To be honest, they wouldn't have done it in the first place moreso out of the fear of having to face their teammates.
In a proper club, discipline isn't maintained by the management, it's maintained by the senior players.
They set the tone and enforce the standard that is expected of everyone.

Have to agree with Jinxy. At a club with genuine ambition the players wouldn't even dream of missing championship for a concert or stag. Management wouldn't need to ask them not to go.

As predicted. Plenty of hairy moments, spells where we blitzed them followed by longer spells where fell asleep. We won, we learn, we move on as massive underdogs. It appears as a result of this performance to be Dublin's or Kerry's to lose. Happy enough with that TBH.

Not alone will it be the greatest embarrassment of all time it will be one on the modern shocks if Dublin don't do the 2 in a row.

Good luck to them. I'm dreding the final. Our only hope is that Kerry do some serious injuries to ye.

+1, sadly.

It won't stop ye getting a sugar rush the next three or four weeks. Mid West, the Western and the News with massive souvenir supplements, interviews with ex-players assuring the masses there's no curse and that these lads are from different stock, touring the schools in the county with the local players visiting, Irish TV will probably have a live show from Mitchels clubhouse.

Full turkey time.

How do roscommon usually deal with all-Ireland finals?

Tipperary bet Galway to take Connacht's semi final place.
Nice to discuss things with a MAYO man Farr - not one if those Rossies who won't support their own County

Good article by Moran. The last paragraph really hits the right notes!

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-hoping-to-get-further-by-taking-a-different-route-1.2761959

Think if Mayo are to win the final they need to be winning this by 5+ points. They will get no credit for inching past Tipperary, a decent victory should fill their sails with enough wind to seriously attack the final. So Mayo by 6 for me.

Such nonsense. What did we beat you lot by? Was it impressive? Did we 'up it' for the next game? Every Mayo supporter will take a one point win tomorrow. hope we're not put through the ringer like that but we're all around long enough to know that this could get hairy tomorrow for a while. However we win, I'll take it.

Up Tipp ( representing Connacht) but Rhus to win by 5.

'Rhus'..... yawn. 'Mayowestros'.......yawn. As long as that attitude exists, you'll forever be in our shadow

Not saying it was a tactical masterclass, but compared to the past, (with the exception of Dublin round 1 last year where Barry Moran played a sweeper role) when our tactics seemed to consist of "go out and play ball lads", it is. We've never done anything as radical before as drop our full back and put a 34 year old corner forward in instead to get him to act as another link man. I believe Dillon had the most possessions on the pitch in the first half and he used the ball intelligently. Having the cop on to know he only had a half in him playing like that was to be applauded also.

Rochford seems very capable of playing "horses for courses", and reacting to what's happening on the pitch. For example once Sean Cavanagh was gone, Lee Keegan was told to go and mind Mattie Donnelley, Donnelley was a lot less effective after that. My point is that's something which has been lacking from Mayo the past few years

Agree completely.

Another +1 to that. Like the look of Rochford and even though we were lucky in the end, Mayo are long overdue a lucky general!

Cavanagh has got many a man carded in the past with diving antics so yesterday seemed a case of just desserts, maybe if Tyrone all played football like Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly instead of mouthing like McMahon, McCarron, McNamee constantly maybe Tyrone would go somewhere. Donegal with the McGee`s be in the same boat too

Problem with the manager who must condone this behaviour cause hes the only one can eradicate it. The negative system Tyrone brings to the table also plays against them as it holding very good footballers back, Meyler must be way of the pace, cause he should been coming on yesterday.

Would agree with most of that, however thought a draw would have been a fair result yesterday. Can't believe Dillion and Moran still get starts for Mayo, its a poor reflection of their forwards. If Tipp play their usual game, would have a fancy for them.

Why is it wrong to start a 32 and 33 year old? Andy is playing his best football for years so should be dropped for being 32? Ageist much?

Moran is still making the same mistakes he did 10 years ago. Running down blind alleys and taking too much out of the ball. He got away with it yesterday but won't when it counts

We didn't watch the same game. Moran was class against one of the toughest defensive systems in the game. Moran is highly intelligent and makes other players play better. Will play a huge part if we are to get over the line.

That's 12 years ago... Mayo are a different animal now. Yesterday proved that.

Mayo are the same Mayo they've always been.

6 semi finals on the trot would give the lie to that sweeping statement.

0 AIs puts a full stop at the end of my statement.

Mayo have always been challenging since 1989 - eight AI finals well spread over that period, only a few less than Kerry have had, as it happens - but the lie we were told was Horan changed the Mayo psyche in a meaningful way, well, time and results have proven that incorrect.

Is All Irelands your barometer Syf?

For a changed Mayo,  yeah. Mayo made finals before the run that ended against Galway,  they'll made them after it too. That's never been Mayo's real problem,  has it?

Different argument completely Syf. I know we have to win one to convince people like you that these boys are different but can you honestly say we lost the 2004/06 finals the same way we lost in 2012/13? Same end result yes  but I have seen a massive change in psyche since Horan came in. The ultimate problem was lack of a player or two and poor game management on the sideline.

Cavanagh has got many a man carded in the past with diving antics so yesterday seemed a case of just desserts, maybe if Tyrone all played football like Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly instead of mouthing like McMahon, McCarron, McNamee constantly maybe Tyrone would go somewhere. Donegal with the McGee`s be in the same boat too

Problem with the manager who must condone this behaviour cause hes the only one can eradicate it. The negative system Tyrone brings to the table also plays against them as it holding very good footballers back, Meyler must be way of the pace, cause he should been coming on yesterday.

Would agree with most of that, however thought a draw would have been a fair result yesterday. Can't believe Dillion and Moran still get starts for Mayo, its a poor reflection of their forwards. If Tipp play their usual game, would have a fancy for them.

Why is it wrong to start a 32 and 33 year old? Andy is playing his best football for years so should be dropped for being 32? Ageist much?

Ballaghrhus are typical of the lower classes - no fkn ambition, just want to stay rooted in mediocrity and ignorance for the rest of their miserable lives.
Neanwhile Ros Co Co will take away their excretions, provide them with water to drink and wash with for the few who do, give them good footpaths to walk on, a library for those who can read and a fire service for when they burn the fine Ros Co Co houses we give them.
Ungrateful? Of course they are but like the black sheep of any family we have a sort of duty to look after them.

Oh please take us ingrates off your hands and send us back to the home of Achill, Croagh Patrick and the Moy so we never have to associate with the majestic wonders of Roscommon, Boyle and the suck (very aptly named for the county it's in) again!

Its not about majority or indeed minority, its a very contensious issue and is the elephant in the room in the ballagh club, hear no evil speak no evil.
When the rossie factor in ballagh in the earlt 1980s tried to form a junior club to play in ros they were stopped by the connacht coundil at the behest of mayo. Again i say I have no issue with the mayo ballagh people, the issue is the rossies in ballagh and their right to live in the towm of their birth and play for the county of their birth.

Well do you not find it hypocritical that the Rossies around Athlone were out with burning pitchforks when it was suggested that their area be ceded to Westmeath recently.

I think it was even one of Cakes main policy positions when he ran for election.

Where is the hypocrisy?
That was a land grab, across provincial and county boundaries. Purely for financial reasons.

Ballaghaderreen is a club and player grab. For Roscommon which has a very small rural population as it is, not to have access to its third biggest town for county teams is a joke.

Sweet jaysus, back to the annual, never ending debate.
I say debate loosely because when talking to rossies on the subject they have no interest in really discussing the matter, all they want is 'to give Ballagh back'.
Well as a Mayo Ballagh man with roots in the area going back generations I can tell them we want Ballagh given back too...... back to Mayo.
The example of Athlone was put to the rossies. A really relevant example and it gets dodged by them. What rossies are protesting about with the ross side of Athlone is exactly what Mayo ballaghs would have done in 1898 if they got the chance but Dillon didn't give them one. He made the decision while we were under British rule and in their infinite wisdom the GAA didn't acknowledge the change, thank feck. He moved Ballagh to Ross for cheaper rates and also so rates could be paid in Castlerea and not Swinford. Back then that slightly shorter distance meant a lot.
Lar to answer your question about why the Ross majority ruled GAA club haven't stoked the flames again, the answer is simple. The GAA club has a large Mayo majority. Of the 2012 county winning team only one lad of the starting 15 would consider himself a rossie supporter. Back in 2008 the captain was a Ross supporter and that's it.
The staunch GAA families have long, proud Mayo roots. A lot of people that move into the area with no affiliation either way see that the town is in Mayo for football so they support Mayo. The rossies in Ballagh tend to have parents from 'the real Roscommon', Frenchpark, Tibohine, Ballinagare, Lisacul, Loughlynn etc. They carry on supporting Ross as makes sense but they're not originally Ballagh people. I even know a few lads whose parents were from Roscommon but they still support Mayo as they are brighter than the average rossie and it makes sense in more ways that one!

He must have ripped it from the bone like Paul O Connell did. He was on crutches after so it looked fairly catastrophic from word go.
Gibbons dislocated the shoulder and is finished for the year as well. When wheels start coming off ........

Thanks Moy, was hoping it wouldn't be that serious. Brutal news if that's the case, best wishes to them both. I hope we can find a replacement, especially for Caff. We have plenty of cover for Gibbons but can't think of anyone better who can do Caffs job in the white Heat of battle in Croke Park. Caps off a bad few days!