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Outside refs from where? Sure if you read the other boards on here they are seemingly no better. To be honest in 10 years I wouldn't be surprised if we count the number of refs in the county on 1 hand as the abuse they get means no one in their right mind would take it up.

Has anyone on this page ever done refereeing to a decent level or would even contemplate doing it in this day and age?

I agree that refs have a tough job but sometimes they bring extra hassle onto themselves by not doing the right/obvious thing. Last night cathal mc carron could have got 4 yellow cards but only got one.  Most refs are good enough when games are low key but many of them are afraid to make the tough decisions. Jerome mc elroy told laurence strain at half time in the second omagh clonoe game that he had given Jerome mc clure a yellow card and not a red because he had hit conor meyler in the face with an open hand and not a fist. It's no wonder people get annoyed.
To be honest I couldn't figure out why the dromore people were so annoyed with Simon Brady last night. I didn't think he did them any harm

Conan Grugan did alright against clonoe, it wasn't one of his best performances. Johnny Munroe had a stinker against Greencastle,  doesn't make him a bad player. How have the current county starters and panellists done for their clubs this year. Paudi mc nulty, aiden mc crory, Richie donnelly, mc aliskey among others. Very easy to right someone off on the basis of one performance. Do you feel Barry Tierney has improved as a footballer sitting on the county bench for the past 3 years

While i'm at it senior club allstar to date

1  Johnny Curran
2  Marty Swift
3  Danny Gorman
4  Stevie Mullan
5  Tiernan Mc Cann
6  Emmet O Neill (out of position)
7  PJ Lavery
8  Johnny Munroe
9  Declan Mc Clure
10  Niall Sludden
11  Ronan Mc Nabb Jnr
12 Stephen Mc Nally
13  Ruari Sludden
14 Dan Mc Nulty
15  Mark Bradley

It could all change by Monday

Heres what is going to happen over the weekend...
Killyclogher v Dromore
Both teams will spend most of their resources nullifying the threat of their opponent. Niall Sludden or Emmet O Neill will be sacrificed to stop Tiernan Mc Cann, Ciaran Mc Coy will be hanging out of Conal Mc Cann and Cathal Mc Carron will have the biggest job of the night... mark sparky.
On the flip side either Danny Gorman or Marty Swift will comfortably mark ruari sludden, but young ronan mc nab will cause serious bother. Killyclogher will possibly push swift out to do a man marking job. Killyclogher will rely totally on their defensive system and hope to concede very few scorable frees but I think Dromore have better players and as a result will create enough scores to win the game. Killyclogher have serious belief in what they do but i take Dromore to win 0-11 to 0-08, provided Dromore don't bring on Ricey or Colm Mc Cullagh. The other dodgy element is Dromores new goalkeeper. Big game for him,

Clonoe v Coalisland
Over the last few years i would always take clonoe to beat coalisland, but not this year. Clonoe look a tired team overly reliant on Declan Mc Clure winning ball at midfield and Danny Mc Nulty causing bother at ff. Last year Paudie Hampsey and Louis O Neill did really well on skeet and mc Nulty and i believe they will do the same on sunday. Johnny Curran is a huge player for Coalisland and his 70-80 yard kickouts to Brian Toner and Stevie Mc Nally in particular will be the difference. Jerome Mc Clure will spend the day fouling Cathoir Quinn and if the ref is strong Coalisland will win 1-12 to 1-8

You gotta love the club championship

good example of this was when conan grugan played a fair few mc kenna cup/league games in chf then come the big championship game against monaghan in clones he was threw into midfield against darrren hughes and dick clerkin. didnt go well and wasnt seen since,2014 think it was.

I get what u are saying about grugan but I'd a thought midfield was his natural position. Anyway he walked from the panel himself, prob knew it wasn't for him. Good players can play anywhere. One dimensional players won't cut it at senior inter county level. Monroe, mcgeary Brennan are a few that can play different positions. U have to patient and keep ure head down and take your chance when it comes. I still chuckle at the Clonoe players who walked that time. Stinking attitude.

For the record sparkly Donnelly got a raw deal the time he was dropped. He was Tyrones best player one year but maybe Harte had his reasons, I'm not sure.

That's the nature of county football, your needed one day but there's always somebody else willing to take your jersey the next

This opinion is incredibly arrogant. Here we have people criticising players for walking away from the county set up while praising those who hang about just to make up the numbers. I don't believe Kieran Mc Geary Rory Brennan or Johnny Munroe are better players than Conan Grugan but because he has decided that he needed time away to try to become a better player and needed regular competitive football he is being criticised. Is Conan Grugan better than Paudi Mc Nulty, Kieran Mc Geary, Aiden Mc Crory Richie Donnelly Barry Tierney... some will say he is others will say he isn't, just as Ardboe are glad Shay mc guigan and Coney left ,Eglish are glad the Mc Kennas left, Omagh are glad Conan Grugan left a set up which he obviously wasn't in love with to become club captain. Just because someone is on the county panel does not make them a better player than someone not on the county panel. Its all about opinions... Is Mc Curry better than Leo Meenan in 2012 or Eoin Mc Cusker in 2012. While you have your wee chuckle at the clonoe players who walked do you believe PJ Lavery or Collie Doris aren't county standard. Tyrone need every player of that level available for selection. Would it be possible that some of this may be Mickey Hartes fault

A wise man once told me anyone can manage a committed player but only the great managers can bring the talented less committed players along with the rest, is mickey too arrogant to try to bring everyone with him or is he right...
I feel like Fuzzman asking all these silly questions 

What about young McShane. I'd like to see him given another chance in the FF line but I'd love to see us play all three forwards in there and not just one or two.

I think Sludden really improved last year and if it wasn't for injury Meyler too would have been a first choice now.
Munroe also looks to be coming along well and you would imagine Rory Brennan will be a starter from here on in. I wonder will Justy call it a day.
Hopefully Richie Donnelly can push on as well so we've a lot of young lads there pushing for places and hopefully Mickey gives them the chance during the league although he'll be very keen to keep it tight again and stay in Div 1.

Meyler first choice! barely warrants a starting place on the St Enda's team.

Good joke

My Rahilly friends tell me that Shane Meehan's the man in the middle for Sunday's big game.

This is definitely clonoes year, shane won't let cassidy down

Aye galway and fermanagh think that too

Why would Galway think it? They were comprehensively beaten by Tipperary.

They actually beat mayo. Mayo today were very much improved on anything they produced all year. Bomber makes me a little bit ill every time I read one of his posts

Aye galway and fermanagh think that too

I presume Keegan will be getting the same ban as Ricey did for his altercation with Connolly.

Ricey !!!
Would you get a life

McClure has some set of hands on him,just like big Harry.Credit must go to both teams who served up an enthralling game of football.Caolan Daly going off was a big blow to Carmen.Clone are hard to put away and big Dan done the business again.Really looking forward to seeing them and the Island going at it next Sunday.

Are the dates and venues set ?

Tough defeat for Carrickmore. Lazy and spiteful analysis could be they didn't have the balls for it. That would be rubbish though. Too many people on here love to see others lose so that they can stick the proverbial boot in (yer man from Ardboe with about 10 different accounts being the main one.) The Clonoe Carmen game was excellent, two teams gave everything. Club championship is class

Just a wee aside, I heard the Omagh Carmen u13 game during the week was marred by a Carrickmore supporter who decided he should go onto the pitch during the game to try a little bit of intimidation towards the ref. Any truth?

The problem with this and a lot of people on here, hear a story and post it on here with absolutely no concerns if there is an ounce of truth in it. There as bad utv or bbc. Only post negative things and have nothing positive to say

Always attacking the messenger, always denying everything. Good luck today

Just a wee aside, I heard the Omagh Carmen u13 game during the week was marred by a Carrickmore supporter who decided he should go onto the pitch during the game to try a little bit of intimidation towards the ref. Any truth?

It will be a lot quieter on here next week. Id say cheltenham will disappear just as quickly as he appeared...
'16 for 16... nah don't think so

What is this 16 for 16 craic you talk about

Im assuming cheltenham means 2016 for title number 16

Yea, Gavin McElroy was shouting this at the players during the minute silence before the greencastle game!!!

As I said before, stop repeating shit you heard hear say. Dumb ass

Insulting people for "their" opinion No!!!!

I dont hate Carrickmore, I have nothing against them at all. Its their posters on here who appear arrogant and have a "The World is against Us" mentality

The outcome will depend on how much Gormley can infuence the game. Just watch him try to Ref it himself (He's not alone in doin this, many Tyrone players had/have this power) Did he not hit the deck pretty early on against Greencastle to try get a man lined?? Clonoe to run out easy winners I think

This poster was called dumb ass as he didn't state an opinion.  He stated something that is untrue.  He obviously made it up or repeated something heard from some other dim wit.

How is it an opinion when I stated what I heard the carrickmore manager shouting during the minute silence, a fact backed up by another poster confirming.

This is not fact because you have made up what you think you heard. Fact! And it doesn't matter how many people back you up as they would be telling lies also.

Why does it matter lol, it was obviously something to fire up the players just overlapped a bit with minutes silence when emotions running high but they were shouting numbers for definite

Sure why let the truth get in the way of a good story🤔

Why would he come on here telling lies ?
The only way you could be sure he is telling lies is if you are gavin mc elroy ??