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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: June 18, 2019, 10:43:18 AM »
I would probably see it from the players point of view. How is sitting on the bench going to improve you as a player when you cant get on for your county and you are not allowed to play for your club.

Forwards especially strive on confidence, but bringing on a forward at say the 50 minute mark who hasn't played much football all season and expecting him to turn the game around is naive at best. Why would a talented player like Lee waste a full year to sit on the tyrone bench when he could be playing for his club every week and getting sharper with each game.

The issue is that Mickey has chopped and changed and neglected the forwards for far too long. Wouldn't listen to Owen talking about staying to fight for a place when him Peter and Steve were guaranteed game time every game. Tyrone need to pick a system and stick with it so players know where they stand.

This does not happen in Mayo, Kerry or Dublin for the simple reason these teams know their system of play inside out and players know they will get a chance. Whereas in Tyrone a forward does not know if they will be playing attacking football one week or 15 men behind the ball the next.

Tell me why Brennan should be starting? We went in to the Donegal game on an impressive run of form. We had won six on the trot over League and Championship. Donnelly and McShane were flying inside and McCurry and McAliskey had impressed off the bench.

He had no real basis for deserving to play. He had the choice to stick it out, bide his time and take his opportunity when it came or throw the towel in. He chose the latter.

After a car crash performance against Donegal there is certain to be changes against Longford and opportunities can arise but he is no longer there to avail of those, by his own choosing.

I can understand his frustration at not playing but that's a decision for next year. He made s commitment to the panel this year and opted out.

I'd like a situation whereby players who aren't getting their minutes with the county teams are freed to play for their clubs but we all know it's the clubs who make a song and dance about access who will kick up a fuss about that.

So according to you..

Its the players fault for not committing all their spare time for your pleasure

It's the clubs fault for wanting access to their players who aren't getting on the county team.

I'm sure you will post a reply to this which will have no relevance to what I have just posted

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: June 18, 2019, 09:52:07 AM »
I don't really have time for lads quitting panels in the middle of the season, fair enough if there's personal circumstances there but if it's throwing a strop over not getting minutes then it's very hard to forgive.
You don’t have any time for lads quitting panels mid season and you find it hard to forgive them !!!
Wtf.

Is it because you have invested so much time into supporting them.

Crazy stuff

It's a commitment and they've backed out of it in the middle of the season. It's not fair on the management team and it's not fair on their team mates. If they do it for personal reasons outside of football, it is understandable - if they do it because they're throwing a strop about not getting the minutes they feel they deserve then I think we are better off without.

I don't think Lee Brennan has done enough to start for Tyrone and he clearly didn't have the will to battle it out and earn his spot. Let's not forget that 10 months ago he started an All Ireland semi final.

If Brennan had opted out at the start of the year it would have opened up the door for another player to come in and fight for a place. I certainly wouldn't be rushing back to bring him in when he has left his team in the lurch midway through the season.

I'd be questioning the mentality of a lot of these Tyrone footballer - how many Mayo, Dublin and Kerry players drop off because they are not getting their place? There seems to be a huge sense of entitlement there with current players who are unwilling to put in the work.

Guys like Hsmpsey, Cassidy, Burns and R Donnelly have had to bide their time to break into the Tyrone side but the patience and hard work paid off in the end.

As a supporter it shows an incredible sense of entitlement that we cannot forgive a player who decides he has a better way of spending at least 25 hours a week than living the life of a super fit monk.
It is fine for management and team mates to be disappointed but for the likes of me and you to be critical of them is arrogant imo.


Unless of course you are more than just a supporter,...

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: June 18, 2019, 12:07:31 AM »
I don't really have time for lads quitting panels in the middle of the season, fair enough if there's personal circumstances there but if it's throwing a strop over not getting minutes then it's very hard to forgive.
You don’t have any time for lads quitting panels mid season and you find it hard to forgive them !!!
Wtf.

Is it because you have invested so much time into supporting them.

Crazy stuff

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Anybody any clue what McCann was at??

Putting 2 fingers inside another players mouth is a very specific and targeted action. It hard to imagine that it was just made up on the spot. Was he trying to get the gum shield out and engineer a bite mark on his finger?

Irrespective of what punishment the rule book permits the incident is troubling and reflects very badly on the lad

maybe he was provoked?....  there was a a lot of sledging/goading/thrash talking goin on in Donegal fullback line   esp first half
If he’s provoked that badly then hit the man a box in the jaw or else f**k up and play the game. No excuse for that cowardly act when a mans lying on the ground.

Good thing there aren’t any Tyrone fans trying to excuse or justify what he did I suppose.

Sticking his fingers in his mouth is cowardly but boxing him in the jaw is excusable?

That's a very suspect moral ground. Punching someone in the jaw is as trampish as it gets.

I never said either was excusable, perhaps you replied to the wrong person?

By the way I suspect the majority of GAA supporters would consider the act of gouging another player as they lie on the ground a more "trampish" act than openly punching an opponent in the jaw. You seem fairly blinkered though.

I did quote the wrong post. The reply before that was the one I was referring to.

I would rather have an opponent stick their gloves fingers in my mouth than having a 14 stone athlete box me in the jaw. I would rather be spat on, bit or sledged than being boxed in the jaw. The consequences of those actions are unpleasant but nowhere near as dangerous and likely to have long lasting consequences than a box in the jaw.

Just because for some reason you'd be happy enough with someone gouging, biting, or spitting on you doesn't diminish what McCann did. In your first reply to me you referred to how "trampish" you considered the act of punching someone and in your very next reply you've switched to talking about the danger and long term consequences of it. What is it exactly you're trying to say?

There are plenty of acts in sports that could be considered "trampish' but not particularly dangerous, and the inherent danger of an act isn't the only parameter that determines the punishment. I'm sure you understand this already though.

Jesus Christ.

Once again, someone is completely missing the point. How many more times will people gloss over the fact that I have said multiple times on here that what McCann did was wrong and indefensible?

I'm commenting on some of the idiots on here who have expressed their outrage at it but seemingly don't seem to have the same outrage when a player is boxed in the face, if I had the choice of someone sticking the fingers in my mouth when I was on the ground or having my meals through a straw for 6 weeks with my jaw wired up then I think I'd have a pretty good idea of which act is the most dangerous and the certainly the most outrageous.

The point is fairly evident if you can read. Boxing a lad in the face is far more dangerous than gouging, diving, spitting, biting, fish hooking etc. It's far more likely to inflict damage on you and potentially lead to life changing consequences but despite that it seems to be far more excusable and acceptable in the GAA world than the aforementioned acts.

We've had a number of posters on here condemning the cowardly nature of what McCann did (I have no qualms wit that) while on the other hand excusing and championing lads boxing each other in the face as some sort of manly and courageous act.

In terms of a hierarchy of offences, punching an opponent in the face is about as malevolent and dangerous as it gets on a sporting pitch yet a large number of posters and pundits seem to excuse that action.

Once again these things that you are attributing to other posters, I did not say. They are not of any relevance to me. Why don’t you actually respond to what I have said to you?
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Bomber old chap this is becoming a habit with you

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: June 11, 2019, 05:40:45 PM »
OK then. One final question..

Who was cavanagh marking in his battle in the middle of the pitch

If you look back at the first goal you can see Cavanagh chasing Paddy McGrath back from the Donegal 45. Now what sort of sweeper is up in the opponents half pressing the ball. What sort of sweeper is running up into the opponents 6 yard box?

A sweeper sits, he plays in front of the full back line. The problem today with Tyrone was they were all charging around like headless chickens after the ball.

Cavanagh was bombing forward all first half, if he was doing his job as a sweeper he doesn't do that. We didn't deploy a sweeper, it was clear as day and to say we did is cloud cuckoo stuff.

Thanks for answering my question

Sober up and have a look back at it as you seemed to have had a vivid imagination if you actually watched that game.

Don't change the subject just answer the fcukin question...

Who did colm cavanagh mark in his conventional role as an orthodox midfielder.

To jump in on "In Hidings" (Hartes Cub) and "Angelos" love in -

2nd half Tyrone took colm cavanagh off, pushed up on Donegal kickouts and won the second half by a score of 8 points to 5.

But sure you twist it whatever way you want


I cant believe you actually tried to argue that winning the 2nd half the other night was a positive you clown. Harte 100% to blame for that shambles. Wouldnt blame a few players for walking after seeing some excuse of players both starting and coming on. That Mc Donnell lad cant fist pass to a man 10 yards away, got PH his black card (which was a trip by leading with his foot)

I repeat, this Tyrone team are hugely over rated. I dont think I ever saw Hampshey ever roasted as bad in my life either. Suppose Murphy was due 1 against him as Hampshey as regularly won that battle

If you think I'm hartes cub then you haven't read too many of my posts.
Was winning the second half a negative for you?

The 70+ minutes were all negative, 2nd best all over the park
Why does nobody on here answer the questions they are asked.
Worse than feckin politicans

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: June 11, 2019, 09:33:38 AM »
OK then. One final question..

Who was cavanagh marking in his battle in the middle of the pitch

If you look back at the first goal you can see Cavanagh chasing Paddy McGrath back from the Donegal 45. Now what sort of sweeper is up in the opponents half pressing the ball. What sort of sweeper is running up into the opponents 6 yard box?

A sweeper sits, he plays in front of the full back line. The problem today with Tyrone was they were all charging around like headless chickens after the ball.

Cavanagh was bombing forward all first half, if he was doing his job as a sweeper he doesn't do that. We didn't deploy a sweeper, it was clear as day and to say we did is cloud cuckoo stuff.

Thanks for answering my question

Sober up and have a look back at it as you seemed to have had a vivid imagination if you actually watched that game.

Don't change the subject just answer the fcukin question...

Who did colm cavanagh mark in his conventional role as an orthodox midfielder.

To jump in on "In Hidings" (Hartes Cub) and "Angelos" love in -

2nd half Tyrone took colm cavanagh off, pushed up on Donegal kickouts and won the second half by a score of 8 points to 5.

But sure you twist it whatever way you want


I cant believe you actually tried to argue that winning the 2nd half the other night was a positive you clown. Harte 100% to blame for that shambles. Wouldnt blame a few players for walking after seeing some excuse of players both starting and coming on. That Mc Donnell lad cant fist pass to a man 10 yards away, got PH his black card (which was a trip by leading with his foot)

I repeat, this Tyrone team are hugely over rated. I dont think I ever saw Hampshey ever roasted as bad in my life either. Suppose Murphy was due 1 against him as Hampshey as regularly won that battle

If you think I'm hartes cub then you haven't read too many of my posts.
Was winning the second half a negative for you?

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A few going on about O'Rourke comment. I seen him play a fair few times, he was a great footballer and a hard man on a team of hard men. Many called that Meath team dirty. I just thought they were tough, still don't remember them putting hands in players mouths though. From that video above there looks like eye contact too.

Lads the abuse being directed at Tiernan Mc Cann is unbelievable. He didn't hurt mc Menamin in any way. He played on, finished the game, he suffered no injury.
For those who say he shouldn't be allowed to play for Tyrone again.Get a grip. He was being horrible, not malicious

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: June 09, 2019, 12:14:58 AM »
Still no answer.

He was our spare defender because his immediate opponent Hugh Mc Fadden was playing as a sweeper for Donegal. If he was competing man to man as you insist why did mc fadden win the majority of donegals first half kickouts unopposed.

If we are competing man to man should Niall Morgan not be marking Shaun Patton? Man on man is generally used to reference leaving your defenders isolated in one of one battles with their attackers. Have Mayo man marked Cian O'Sullivan when they've played Dublin?

Cavanagh played in his midfield position and McFadden dropped back. He did not play as a sweeper as you imagined him to.

Tyrone played a very orthodox line up, Donegal got loads of men behind the ball when they didn't have it.

Donegal were very streetwise, Tyrone were very naive. We don't have the defenders to cope with top forwards man on man.

Cavanagh was playing in midfield, not defence. Did you actually watch the game?

Hey you win. This is a waste of time.
Man to man means niall Morgan Marks shaun patron.

Enough

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: June 08, 2019, 11:48:53 PM »
Still no answer.

He was our spare defender because his immediate opponent Hugh Mc Fadden was playing as a sweeper for Donegal. If he was competing man to man as you insist why did mc fadden win the majority of donegals first half kickouts unopposed.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: June 08, 2019, 11:32:34 PM »
Angelo, harte has never took the rap for anything in his life. That was a disgrace. Why drop Cassidy? Rafferty started for skeet? Mc crory now a regular sub again? Wtf? Just when I thought harte had got his shit together he goes and makes a pile of needless changes and f**ks everything up. I'm fuckin ragin after that.

He made big, big calls in the starting side. They all were badly wrong.

The alarm bells were ringing in the Derry and Antrim games the way a few fist passes down the middle and a few bodies running there could tear us to shreds. You could forgive that as it was Derry and Antrim and I was naive enough to think we'll be much more reserved against Donegal - nope.

We played the same sort of tactics against Derry and Antrim as against Donegal, absolutely wide open we were. For those who were crying for us to play a more expansive game and go man on man with teams with deadly forwards and pace around the middle of the pitch - there was the evidence about the quality of defenders in our panel.

I have to say I've been very disappointed with McKernan of late, he's very much overrated. He's got good pace and power and likes to bomb forward but he got absolutely toasted by Brennan today, he got destroyed in the All Ireland final last year too.

McShane has been a good find at full forward but unless teams play open against you he is not going to be much use. Any ball we put in there today he had a host of bodies around him or it was cut out by the players playing in front of them. The difference today was Donegal had a defensive system and we did not.

I wouldn't get carried away if I was a Donegal fan though as despite how badly set up we were, the fact we had one of our best players wrongly black carded in the first half, the fact that many of our big players completely disappeared, the fact we were completely wiped out on kickouts and the fact we spurned three decent goal chances in the first half, we still only lost by 4.

It's a wake up call for Harte and the people who were looking for us to go toe to toe with the top teams though.
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Strange analysis.

1st half Tyrone played with a sweeper in colm cavanagh, conceded all the kickouts dropped men back and were torn to shreds.

2nd half Tyrone took colm cavanagh off, pushed up on Donegal kickouts and won the second half by a score of 8 points to 5.

But sure you twist it whatever way you want

Strange analysis as Cavanagh played as an orthodox midfielder all first half. We didn't play any sweeper at all. How drunk were you watching that?

I honestly doubted if you knew anything about football but maybe it's just that your eyes don't work too good.
Are you saying cavanagh was marking Hugh mc fadden...
The donegal sweeper  :o
Cavanagh wasn’t playing as a sweeper in the first half. He should have been. But he played as a standard MF.

Clear as day.

He was out around the middle of the pitch chasing shadows and he couldn't lay a glove on anyone. When In Hiding sobers up and goes back to watch the game he might see that Cavanagh is generally struggling to get back on the halfway line, 20 yards behind the Donegal man attacking with the ball.

When Cavanagh plays as a sweeper, as soon as Tyrone lose the ball, he turns his back and sprints back into position. Today he was out around the middle of the pitch chasing after lads and he was about 20 yards behind the Donegal play as soon as they attacked forward. We had no sweeper today. It was a complete and utter tactical failure.

It was the type of naive play that a defensive team loves to play against and Donegal lapped it up, they dropped bodies back, they cut off the early supply, Tyrone were clueless on the ball and ran into blind alleys and as soon as the ball was turned over they had oceans of room to attack at pace and the defenders we left back man on man got utterly destroyed.

How anyone can sit there and say we played a sweeper in the first half wouldn't know whether a ball was pumped or stuffed.


Was at the game and Ben mcdonell was the sweeper regularly in the first half

Ben McDonnell was the centre back, like a lot of other players today, he had a stinker.

He was the lad who did hold his position the most alright but he was far too high up the pitch in his starting position and was utterly redundant in how he read the situation.
He held his position the most...
Far too high up the pitch in his starting position...

I'm confused...
Must be the drink

You're very confused alright, you were telling us Colm Cavanagh was playing as a sweeper today.
Still no answer

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Today was poor alright.
Richie Donnelly after a good couple of games had one he'd rather forget. Mattie was ineffective, colm cavanagh after 5 or 6 excellent years is nearing the end.
There were some positives though, Mc Geary is a leader, in the second half when we pushed up on their kickouts we showed a bit more fight. Mc Shane will be a good full forward.
Some people are saying Tyrone can't beat the top teams playing man to man. We couldn't beat them playing with a blanket ffs.
Be brave Mickey (not that you'll be reading this), stick with the way we tried to play in the second half, it's not gonna be perfect against the first quality team you play.
And in Eoin ban Gallagher, Ryan Mc Hugh, Jamie Brennan and a few others, Donegal have real quality

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: June 08, 2019, 11:15:36 PM »
Angelo, harte has never took the rap for anything in his life. That was a disgrace. Why drop Cassidy? Rafferty started for skeet? Mc crory now a regular sub again? Wtf? Just when I thought harte had got his shit together he goes and makes a pile of needless changes and f**ks everything up. I'm fuckin ragin after that.

He made big, big calls in the starting side. They all were badly wrong.

The alarm bells were ringing in the Derry and Antrim games the way a few fist passes down the middle and a few bodies running there could tear us to shreds. You could forgive that as it was Derry and Antrim and I was naive enough to think we'll be much more reserved against Donegal - nope.

We played the same sort of tactics against Derry and Antrim as against Donegal, absolutely wide open we were. For those who were crying for us to play a more expansive game and go man on man with teams with deadly forwards and pace around the middle of the pitch - there was the evidence about the quality of defenders in our panel.

I have to say I've been very disappointed with McKernan of late, he's very much overrated. He's got good pace and power and likes to bomb forward but he got absolutely toasted by Brennan today, he got destroyed in the All Ireland final last year too.

McShane has been a good find at full forward but unless teams play open against you he is not going to be much use. Any ball we put in there today he had a host of bodies around him or it was cut out by the players playing in front of them. The difference today was Donegal had a defensive system and we did not.

I wouldn't get carried away if I was a Donegal fan though as despite how badly set up we were, the fact we had one of our best players wrongly black carded in the first half, the fact that many of our big players completely disappeared, the fact we were completely wiped out on kickouts and the fact we spurned three decent goal chances in the first half, we still only lost by 4.

It's a wake up call for Harte and the people who were looking for us to go toe to toe with the top teams though.
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Strange analysis.

1st half Tyrone played with a sweeper in colm cavanagh, conceded all the kickouts dropped men back and were torn to shreds.

2nd half Tyrone took colm cavanagh off, pushed up on Donegal kickouts and won the second half by a score of 8 points to 5.

But sure you twist it whatever way you want

Strange analysis as Cavanagh played as an orthodox midfielder all first half. We didn't play any sweeper at all. How drunk were you watching that?

I honestly doubted if you knew anything about football but maybe it's just that your eyes don't work too good.
Are you saying cavanagh was marking Hugh mc fadden...
The donegal sweeper  :o
Cavanagh wasn’t playing as a sweeper in the first half. He should have been. But he played as a standard MF.

Clear as day.

He was out around the middle of the pitch chasing shadows and he couldn't lay a glove on anyone. When In Hiding sobers up and goes back to watch the game he might see that Cavanagh is generally struggling to get back on the halfway line, 20 yards behind the Donegal man attacking with the ball.

When Cavanagh plays as a sweeper, as soon as Tyrone lose the ball, he turns his back and sprints back into position. Today he was out around the middle of the pitch chasing after lads and he was about 20 yards behind the Donegal play as soon as they attacked forward. We had no sweeper today. It was a complete and utter tactical failure.

It was the type of naive play that a defensive team loves to play against and Donegal lapped it up, they dropped bodies back, they cut off the early supply, Tyrone were clueless on the ball and ran into blind alleys and as soon as the ball was turned over they had oceans of room to attack at pace and the defenders we left back man on man got utterly destroyed.

How anyone can sit there and say we played a sweeper in the first half wouldn't know whether a ball was pumped or stuffed.


Was at the game and Ben mcdonell was the sweeper regularly in the first half

Ben McDonnell was the centre back, like a lot of other players today, he had a stinker.

He was the lad who did hold his position the most alright but he was far too high up the pitch in his starting position and was utterly redundant in how he read the situation.
He held his position the most...
Far too high up the pitch in his starting position...

I'm confused...
Must be the drink

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: June 08, 2019, 11:09:06 PM »
OK then. One final question..

Who was cavanagh marking in his battle in the middle of the pitch

If you look back at the first goal you can see Cavanagh chasing Paddy McGrath back from the Donegal 45. Now what sort of sweeper is up in the opponents half pressing the ball. What sort of sweeper is running up into the opponents 6 yard box?

A sweeper sits, he plays in front of the full back line. The problem today with Tyrone was they were all charging around like headless chickens after the ball.

Cavanagh was bombing forward all first half, if he was doing his job as a sweeper he doesn't do that. We didn't deploy a sweeper, it was clear as day and to say we did is cloud cuckoo stuff.

Thanks for answering my question

Sober up and have a look back at it as you seemed to have had a vivid imagination if you actually watched that game.

Don't change the subject just answer the fcukin question...

Who did colm cavanagh mark in his conventional role as an orthodox midfielder.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: June 08, 2019, 10:56:39 PM »
OK then. One final question..

Who was cavanagh marking in his battle in the middle of the pitch

If you look back at the first goal you can see Cavanagh chasing Paddy McGrath back from the Donegal 45. Now what sort of sweeper is up in the opponents half pressing the ball. What sort of sweeper is running up into the opponents 6 yard box?

A sweeper sits, he plays in front of the full back line. The problem today with Tyrone was they were all charging around like headless chickens after the ball.

Cavanagh was bombing forward all first half, if he was doing his job as a sweeper he doesn't do that. We didn't deploy a sweeper, it was clear as day and to say we did is cloud cuckoo stuff.

Thanks for answering my question

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: June 08, 2019, 10:32:13 PM »
OK then. One final question..

Who was cavanagh marking in his battle in the middle of the pitch

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