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[2012 - 2021]

With all the talk regarding Portlaoise and the fall out from yesterdays Final over on the senior football thread

I decided to have a look at the last 10 years of Juvenile A football results

now bear in mind that results at Juvenile don't guarantee success at Senior but given the fact that Portlaoise has close on a third of the Laois population within its Parish

Something shortly will have to be done to arrest the decline from a Laois perspective.

2012 - 2021

1 Minor A title won in 2012,nothing since

Portarlington have 2,so have Graiguecullen and Ballyroan

In the 10 years

there has been 33 Juvenile A football Titles up for grabs (17/15/13 from 2018-2021,12/14/16/18 from 2012-2017 with no u12 played in 12 or 13)

Portlaoise have won a grand total of 5 of them,

by comparison, Ballyroan have won 9 (1 as a Gaels combo at u12 in 2015)


2 of these were won in 2012

which means they won a total of 3 titles in 30 available Juvenile A football titles in 9 years.

Borris Kilcotton advertising a Games Promotion officer position

U15 last night

Laois A beat Wexford by 2 points

Laois B took a bit of trimming from the other Wexford team.

U14

Both laois teams took a hiding from the 2 kilkenny teams in Dunmore on Saturday last while we had another 2 Laois teams playing 2 Wicklow teams at the same time in the Centre of Excellence

So who are mrath with U20?

Mountrath arent in with anyone is what I've heard and havent entered a team.

And yet all their playing lives they've been registered as Mountrath players

No, that's not quite true. However, I know what you mean - they certainly have been for the last few years.

On top of that, Trumera are developing a knack of attracting players that aren't quite 'theirs'.

And I'm not having a pop at Trumera here

Far from it

There are doing everything in their power to survive and prosper and fair fucks to them for getting out of intermediate this year

But wouldn't they and ever other club in the county be better off if instead of farming lads out

They could train them in their own field,coached by their own mentors and wear their own jersey in 15/13/11/9 a side competitions

Well, as you know, the county board often gets things wrong. St Paul's entered no team at u15, and played w/ RPG - and Trumera played with Mountrath.

Really

here's one then for you how many registered Trumera players played with mountrath  at u15 this year?

Don't need names

just the number

There's at least two what I'd consider Trumera players. Don't know who they're registered with, to be honest.

And yet all their playing lives they've been registered as Mountrath players

Mountrath seems to be a Trumera nursery club at this point

U15
Independent Teams
Clough Ballacolla Gaels
(Clough Ballacolla, Ballinakill & Ballypickas)
Na Fianna
(Ballyfin, Clonaslee St Manmans, Mountmellick & Slieve Bloom)
Raheen Parish Gaels
(Clonad, Colt, Shanahoe, Trumera)
St Pauls
(Courtwood & Emo)
Park Ratheniska Timahoe Gaels
(Annanough, Arles Killeen, Arles Kilcruise, Ballylinan
Crettyard, Graiguecullen, St Josephs, Stradbally)

U17
Independent Teams
Ballinakill & Ballypickas
Na Fianna
(Ballyfin, Clonaslee St Manmans, Mountmellick & Slieve Bloom)
Raheen Parish Gaels
(Clonad, Colt, Shanahoe, Trumera, Emo & Courtwood)
Park Ratheniska Timahoe Gaels

This is utterly ridiculous.
The hopping from area team to area team is bordering on underhand.
If you aren't good enough , go to the B.
If you don't have the numbers, play a significant number of players up from the grade below.
If this absolutely isn't an option, join with an established partner.
I really think the CB need to tidy this up.

If you want to join up with somebody at a particular grade and it is a geographically sound join up- Fine.

If you don't need to join up at other grades- OK

However if you want to go with Club B at one grade. You absolutely cannot form an alternative arrangement with Club C at another grade.

This would work two ways.
It would certainly put pressure on stronger clubs with enough players of their own.
Happy to facilitate a smaller club at u17 to increase your own chances? Great. But, be aware, if you don't need them at u13 and they need to go elsewhere, you can't have them at u17.

Bed hopping serves nobody, but ultimately reduces our playing pool on an annual basis.

Excellent post

This whole bed hopping is a cancer on hurling development in this county

It's one thing clubs trying to pull short sighted strokes in the hope of winning cups in marriage of convenience short term amalgamations while killing themselves by whittling down their own player base.

But ultimately the blame lies with the County Board for facilitating this ongoing farce

The likes of the Harps who do their business right were cheated out of a few recent minor titles by this sort of shameful carry on

I totally agree with both above posts.. How the county allow such amalgamations is a total kick in the arse to the games development. Every grade should be properly assessed at the start of the year. Even if they have to facilitate 11 a side championsbips, do it.
Nothing worse than the bed hopping that's been going on the last few years for underage titles

I've seen it done in some counties

Where A is 15 a side
B 13
C 11
D 9

And there's no short term amalgamations allowed under any circumstances

I know of one county where there's a motion in for an u20 c championship in both codes and it also 11 a side to facilitate the small clubs

U15
Independent Teams
Clough Ballacolla Gaels
(Clough Ballacolla, Ballinakill & Ballypickas)
Na Fianna
(Ballyfin, Clonaslee St Manmans, Mountmellick & Slieve Bloom)
Raheen Parish Gaels
(Clonad, Colt, Shanahoe, Trumera)
St Pauls
(Courtwood & Emo)
Park Ratheniska Timahoe Gaels
(Annanough, Arles Killeen, Arles Kilcruise, Ballylinan
Crettyard, Graiguecullen, St Josephs, Stradbally)

U17
Independent Teams
Ballinakill & Ballypickas
Na Fianna
(Ballyfin, Clonaslee St Manmans, Mountmellick & Slieve Bloom)
Raheen Parish Gaels
(Clonad, Colt, Shanahoe, Trumera, Emo & Courtwood)
Park Ratheniska Timahoe Gaels

This is utterly ridiculous.
The hopping from area team to area team is bordering on underhand.
If you aren't good enough , go to the B.
If you don't have the numbers, play a significant number of players up from the grade below.
If this absolutely isn't an option, join with an established partner.
I really think the CB need to tidy this up.

If you want to join up with somebody at a particular grade and it is a geographically sound join up- Fine.

If you don't need to join up at other grades- OK

However if you want to go with Club B at one grade. You absolutely cannot form an alternative arrangement with Club C at another grade.

This would work two ways.
It would certainly put pressure on stronger clubs with enough players of their own.
Happy to facilitate a smaller club at u17 to increase your own chances? Great. But, be aware, if you don't need them at u13 and they need to go elsewhere, you can't have them at u17.

Bed hopping serves nobody, but ultimately reduces our playing pool on an annual basis.

Excellent post

This whole bed hopping is a cancer on hurling development in this county

It's one thing clubs trying to pull short sighted strokes in the hope of winning cups in marriage of convenience short term amalgamations while killing themselves by whittling down their own player base.

But ultimately the blame lies with the County Board for facilitating this ongoing farce

The likes of the Harps who do their business right were cheated out of a few recent minor titles by this sort of shameful carry on

Well, as you know, the county board often gets things wrong. St Paul's entered no team at u15, and played w/ RPG - and Trumera played with Mountrath.

Really

here's one then for you how many registered Trumera players played with mountrath  at u15 this year?

Don't need names

just the number

They had 2 lads with mountrath at 15,they had the majority in with RPG

I know they are a small club and they are doing their best by any means to survive but maybe if they went in for a medium term amalgamation and bring all their players to the one club,it would be cleaner

Mountrath seems the logical choice,I know 7/8 of the Trumera lads that won the intermediate this year,all got their juvenile hiring education in mountrath.

What are you on about? No Trumera lads played u15 for RPG this year. Can you name one?
Trumera USED to have players w/ RPG, but that all stopped 3 or 4 years ago when they went to Mountrath. This year's u20 arrangement is the only RPG team Trumera have involvement in for a couple of years.

If you think I'm naming any child on a public forum,you've another thing coming

Have a look at the independent teams sent out by the CB at the start of this year


U15
Independent Teams
Clough Ballacolla Gaels
(Clough Ballacolla, Ballinakill & Ballypickas)
Na Fianna
(Ballyfin, Clonaslee St Manmans, Mountmellick & Slieve Bloom)
Raheen Parish Gaels
(Clonad, Colt, Shanahoe, Trumera)
St Pauls
(Courtwood & Emo)
Park Ratheniska Timahoe Gaels
(Annanough, Arles Killeen, Arles Kilcruise, Ballylinan
Crettyard, Graiguecullen, St Josephs, Stradbally)

U17
Independent Teams
Ballinakill & Ballypickas
Na Fianna
(Ballyfin, Clonaslee St Manmans, Mountmellick & Slieve Bloom)
Raheen Parish Gaels
(Clonad, Colt, Shanahoe, Trumera, Emo & Courtwood)
Park Ratheniska Timahoe Gaels

some of the Trumera lads were in with RPG at 15 and 17 this year,

some were also definitely in with mountrath at 15 as well,their best forward is a son of a well known Trumera stalwart.

But they definitely aren't in with RPG at 20

Trumera are with RPG at u20 only.
No Trumera players with RPG at u15 or u17 this year.

So what club were Trumera players playing with at u15 and u17 this year then?

I know their u15s definitely played with mountrath. Not sure about the 17s

They had 2 lads with mountrath at 15,they had the majority in with RPG

I know they are a small club and they are doing their best by any means to survive but maybe if they went in for a medium term amalgamation and bring all their players to the one club,it would be cleaner

Mountrath seems the logical choice,I know 7/8 of the Trumera lads that won the intermediate this year,all got their juvenile hiring education in mountrath.

some of the Trumera lads were in with RPG at 15 and 17 this year,

some were also definitely in with mountrath at 15 as well,their best forward is a son of a well known Trumera stalwart.

But they definitely aren't in with RPG at 20

Trumera are with RPG at u20 only.
No Trumera players with RPG at u15 or u17 this year.

So what club were Trumera players playing with at u15 and u17 this year then?

Its the Foley u16 Cup competition they are playing in,so Im presuming they are u17 next year

Out against Wexford in round 3 in the CoE next Monday night at 7 pm

U14's are playing against Kilkenny in Kk next Saturday

Anyone know the make up of the Laois U16 panel / management or how it's going?
Just interested as I see a post on Offaly Gaa about a win over our u16s tonight at the centre of excellence, struck me how mature / fit / conditioned looking the Offaly panel are.

They took a bit of a beating off an Offaly team who had about of a third of their A players playing.

Still no idea of what happened to the mountrath contingent. They surely have some platform for their players in this year's U20 championships




I believe trumera are part of the Raheen Parish Gaels set up this year. Ballinakill/ballypickas were reverted back to the B which leaves 7 teams in the A.
Favourites in the A have to be Abbeyleix provided their exploits with Ballyroan in the football dosent hamper each other.
I expect a strong challenge from rathdowney-errill too who have a few players with senior experience.
The Harps are reportely missing a few big players with injuries which could prevent them challenging.

some of the Trumera lads were in with RPG at 15 and 17 this year,

some were also definitely in with mountrath at 15 as well,their best forward is a son of a well known Trumera stalwart.

But they definitely aren't in with RPG at 20

your right in relation to ballinakill and Pickas though,they are in the B

You'd like to think Mountrath have gone in with someone

I'd have thought they would have more than enough numbers to enter a team in the B at the very least

Themselves and Trumera are the logical fit