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Surprising result. Thought Cloughmills would have had a lot more to them. Seems Junior hurling is not as strong as i thought. I know they are playing 'senior' clubs but they should still win

what people dont consider at this level is that a team from Monaghan/Donegal etc will not only be their senior champs but a lot of their players will be playing intercounty. Antrim junior is not as strong as people think because Antrim have a proper system where the winners get promoted. This leaves weaker teams behind for the next year. I can almost gaurantee that the Antrim junior champs wont win Ulster next year again. The winner will come from Donegal/Derry or Monaghan.

Sure Cloughmills had three county players this year.....

Sorry didnt realise that-do they all get game time or are they fringe players

I'd have thought donegal,monaghan or tyrone. Derry don't even have a junior.

Just reading Keady only scored 1 from play yesterday. Doesn't sound good for them.

Derry do have junior-Eoghan Rua (Coleraine) and Na Magha. Eoghan Rua could won this if their footballers play and Na Magha are well able too.

Surprising result. Thought Cloughmills would have had a lot more to them. Seems Junior hurling is not as strong as i thought. I know they are playing 'senior' clubs but they should still win

what people dont consider at this level is that a team from Monaghan/Donegal etc will not only be their senior champs but a lot of their players will be playing intercounty. Antrim junior is not as strong as people think because Antrim have a proper system where the winners get promoted. This leaves weaker teams behind for the next year. I can almost gaurantee that the Antrim junior champs wont win Ulster next year again. The winner will come from Donegal/Derry or Monaghan.

How did Craobh Rua do

Good luck to Lavey in Ulster Senior C'ship on Sunday. Tough match but hopefully we can do it

Honestly?? Antrim teams should really be beating a Donegal senior team (no offence) Cloughmills are decent enough and i wish them well

I do think cloughmills will win but it wont be easy. Cloughmills are junior in Antrim-maybe lower end Intermediate and  Donegal senior champions will compete at this level. dont forget Naomh Colmcille(Tyrone Team) beat Rasharkin in final last year

The Cavan team had 3 men sent off. Cloughmills will have a tougher task this Sunday against a Donegal team but hopefully will come through.

very tough match here for Cloughmills. Mac Cumhaills dumped Setanta and Burt out on way to Donegal Senior C'ships.

Coleraine or Camlough won't win this competition, it will probably be won by Ballybofey or Cloughmills.

As for the rotation thing, why doesn't Na Magha and Coleraine play-off each year in a 'Junior' final to get to represent the county in the Ulster.  Alot of other counties do this kind of thing.  Is there no reserve championship anymore in Derry that these two play in?

I think a full Coleraine side could have won this but there just didn't seem to be any way that could have happened with all they are were involved at this time. Not enough days in calender etc. I think there was a play off in Derry last year and Na Magha got into Ulster that way as they won. This year they didn't playoff, as a Coleraine poster said they brought in rotation instead. A full Coleraine team or Na Magah would have given this a good rattle based on results have I have seen in Ulster leagues,c'ships and domestic leagues over last couple of years.
As it stands Innisken will be very hard challenge for Camlough, they are Monaghan Senior champions, hate to admit this but Inniskeen will probably win. Mc Cumhaills/Cloughmills very hard to call, I think Cloughmills may squeeze through to meet Inniskeen in final. Couldn't call final

Is Derry GAA in disarray?
I am not sure but I get a feeling this year that just too much seems disorganised, there is a lot more controversy around and that grassroots members are turning their backs on the association because of perceived corruption and general skulduggery.
Continuous reports of referees not showing up, fixtures postponed over and over, red cards rescinded etc. The CCC are almost Mafia Like.
Football continues to decline in quality and hurling is without a doubt under attack from board.
I liken the Derry GAA scene to the unfortunate economic scene in The Republic. The South lost the run of itself and have ended up forgetting about that which made it admired worldwide. The Derry Gaa have forgotten the basic values of the association and if we are not careful we could implode!

Didn't realise that Munster has an Independent economy.

presumably you never refer to 'the north' or use the term 'nordies' etc
and if you do - are you referring to Donegal or even Antrim ?

bottom line - dont be silly chap !!

Well Lynchboy I call I usually use the provincial names, or North and Republic. Anways I was in fierce bad form the last two days, so I apologise for being so pedantic. When people call the Republic the South it really grinds my gears.

When I first read your response I thought this guy is just bored and having a wee jab to dull the boredom.But now that you have confirmed that the use of the word South in the context used really "grinds your gears" i am thinking you are just a tad sad.

Congratulations to Camlough today. The better team on the day and they fully deserved their victory. Good clean game of hurling also. Great overhead pull by the full forward was the difference in the end.

FBNS, you have talked some amount of crap on here, its no wonder you got the response you did. Saying we 'get away with murder' in light of the circumstances our hurlers faced with this game especially. A strange comment indeed.

Well done to Camlough and Mr T!!

Is that it? You know I am right on most points and you havent got the humility to admit it. Give me a suggestion for when the Ulster Council could have changed the game to. Or are they loons,idiots crap talkers etc. You need to lay off the tipples

The BBC call it a hurley stick in reporting that a man was beat to death with one during a road rage incident in Dublin.

I have heard them all used- except bat. Using bat was like a mortal sin for us. Stick would be the most common in NW Ireland

Is Derry GAA in disarray?
I am not sure but I get a feeling this year that just too much seems disorganised, there is a lot more controversy around and that grassroots members are turning their backs on the association because of perceived corruption and general skulduggery.
Continuous reports of referees not showing up, fixtures postponed over and over, red cards rescinded etc. The CCC are almost Mafia Like.
Football continues to decline in quality and hurling is without a doubt under attack from board.
I liken the Derry GAA scene to the unfortunate economic scene in The Republic. The South lost the run of itself and have ended up forgetting about that which made it admired worldwide. The Derry Gaa have forgotten the basic values of the association and if we are not careful we could implode!

Didn't realise that Munster has an Independent economy.

Bit lazy on my part lad. I do realise that the most northern part of our country is in the Republic etc etc.

Fear, I've no interest in a slanging match so am not going to get into one. The central point you've made seems to be that there is a lack of hurling referees in the county or a lack of organisation amongst them and/or the CCC. I wouldn't condone that for a second and that surely needs looked at. Does that really warrant "Derry Board Out of Control"? I'm not related to anyone next or near a county board. I just hate to see wide sweeping statements made which plainly ignore tonnes of good constructive work that is being done, and also when there's far better means and ways to get what you want changed actually done. No-one in their right mind would take a vendetta against anyone for raising the valid points you're making there. No-one in their right mind could dismiss them either. Let's be positive, not negative about getting changes made. And sure if you're really stuck, you can always call in the lawyers like they do across the sperrins   

No interest either in slanging match. My choice of thread title could have been a bit tamer but It was not meant to be an "across the board" swipe at everyone on Derry Board- excuse the pun. It was just meant to spark a debate.
I understand that J Keenan is up for change but there is some dead wood about and they are making things hard for the newer, more constructive people. I am positive, just temporarily upset

[These guys in Coleraine get away with murder in Derry now it apwwpears that they are at the same craic in Ulster]

Sorry for launching into a thread for Armagh hurling but...

yeah Fear BnS, heard that coleraine play camlough on sat 2nd oct. is their football final on on the 3rd?

Thats right Mr T. They have football next day. If I was Camlough I would have stuck to my guns and asked to play game on original date which was 3rd. These guys in Coleraine get away with murder in Derry now it apwwpears that they are at the same craic in Ulster

how so? how and when have our hurlers got off with murder?

and how in under f**k do you expect it to be reasonable to ask our hurling team to play an Ulster junior hurling championship in Armagh on the same day as our footballers play in a Derry senior football final in Celtic Park??

If you see that as anything other than a non-runner you are a complete loon.

And no, not one single footballer is gonna pick up a stick and play a hurling cship match the day before a derry football final either.

I would have thought that was not only reasonable but pretty f**king advisable  . 'Where else but derry' eh?

Other wee quirks to your lunacy - our nomination before playing a game... Derry has 2 lower tier clubs, Eoghan Rua and Na Magha. There are also 2 lower tier levels in GAA, intermediate and junior. So what do you know, each club gets nominated for Ulster before they play a cship match, same as last year, and the year before that, and the year before that....

'most have ulster county medals'... sean leo mcg and niall holly have ulster u21 medals. thats it.

'the mcgoldricks are not the clubs best hurlers'... more nonsense...

'They dont have much in reserve outside the guys that play football'... bang on the money, well done sir. this is true, we can struggle to field without them.

Oh Dear Whisky Steve-its true what they say whiskey makes you aggressive! If you are a dual club why couldnt they play same day??Why should everyone suffer because you are stretched? A true hurler would rather swing ash than watch the big ball any day
Nobody mentioned your hurlers getting away with murder or cant you read -probably not you are probably pissed on whiskey If each club gets nominated why werent Na Magha nominated at any level, its a small province and word travels fast. Maybe I have been misinformed on county medals but the other guys  are still good and at least another 2 have played for county at senior.
Young Rafferty and Holly better than Mc Goldricks I heard.

You sir, are an idiot.
Dual clubs rely on dual players, of which we have about 11.
There are not many teams, if any (especially in Ulster) who could field a full strength hurling team and a full strength football team on 2 consecutive days. Lavey (Derry reps in Ulsterhurling ) fielded 14 hurlers in their senior football match against Ballinderry.
Asking us to play an Ulster hurling match the day before we play in our first ever senior football final is not only unfair, but downright cruel.
Whoever sanctioned this obviously has no interest in furthering hurling in Derry or indeed Ulster.
As for why Na Magha were not nominated, both Na Magha and Coleraine take it year about to enter into the Ulster junior champ. This was our year.

Hard luck to our lads after today, beat by 3 points and from reports, a flukey goal is what won it for Camlough.

I would argue that you are the idiot and once more a damn rude one. There has been two responses which I believe have eminated from Coleraine and they both have been abusive.This does not reflect well on you or your club, I have heard S Mc Goldrick speak and he is a gentleman so I am sure you are in the rude minority. Maybe you are not from Coleraine because I have never heard anyone there say "You Sir" Are you one of these wanabe Dungiven men who arent from there and think that to be part of the GAA you must stick sir on the end of everything? When could the Ulster Council have played the game ? Last week?No because you have said within your own couny  that you couldnt play your own hurling championship because of Div 1 football and senior football c'ship. Could have played after Sunday I hear you say. The Ulster Council couldnt take a gamle on this in case you won football and then went into Ulster Senior Football and stopped guys playing hurling. As for Na Magah  I cant comment on rotation thing, I dont know enough about that club, but what I was getting at was why didnt Derry nominate them to play intermediate.
Hard luck today, I am certain you would have won that competition with full complement but at the minute you are unfortunately a victim of your own success, but it cant be used to hold fixtures up for evryone else. I am not anti Coleraine at all, I just think that you are streteched a little and that this is making it hard for you and others

To be honest, I can't do better than TFAL's response, but I'll try...

Whilst I question the motivation of someone starting a thread like this, I'd agree with the summary given by onthepitch. Everyone knows there is still a job of work to do around some of the things mentioned. All administrations in their first year need time to bed in. However, massive strides have been taken this year with a complete change in emphasis and the manner of doing things, and we're on the right path with the right people in charge. If you knew what you were talking about or ever spoke with the chairman and vice-chairman you would know their commitment and sincerity towards the cause and you wouldn't be starting threads like this.

I think the basic values of the association are alive and well in Derry. I would count one of those values as loyalty to the democratic voice of the clubs which is what was heard less than twelve months ago when the clubs overwhelmingly got the changes in the county board that they wanted. Your attempt to undermine that on an anonymous forum says more about your own values than anything else. Your use of the words "corruption" and "skullduggery" are also a disgrace even if you attempt to lessen them with "perceived".

Seamus my friend
Feel free to question my motivation for starting this thread, because I will not shy away from giving my answer. I merely want to gauge people's opinion's on a subject that I think a lot of people are interested in-thats it, nothing else, so lets not suggest that its anything more than that. I have made no personal attacks on the chairman and I know that he has inherited a lot of old/bad baggage but that does not mean that the question shouldn't be posed at this time.I do know what I am talking about Sheamy, are you aware that 3 qfinals in the intermediate hurling c'ship were postponed because the referees never showed. Were you aware that Coleraine and Lavey stood awaiting a u 16 shield hurling semi last week and no referee showed? You must  be related to one of these guys, because you are taking this thread really bad.
The reason I choose to remain anonymous is because if you named yourself or club there is a feeling that your club could be dragged over the coals in the long run by board-unfortunate but reality if you are from small club. My values are clear they include fairness,equality,honesty and sportmanship-some of these are scare in today's Derry GAA scene