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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: February 24, 2020, 02:40:02 PM »
Micheal Martin has played right into SF's hand since the election. By dismissing them completely I can't help but feel that he is only bolstering support for them. FG have now joined the attacks in the last day or two and Drew Harris' comments yesterday about the SF links to the IRA army council being still intact are very curious in their timing. Continuing to bang the old IRA drum will have less resonance with people now that the old brigade are almost phased out even if a few linger in the background but for anybody under the age of 40, it is not a pressing issue. People just want to give the old established order of FF & FG a bloody nose and by them attacking SF it is only helping to feed the narrative of the establishment against the people that SF want to create. If they really are hell bent on not going into government with SF then I'm not sure what else they can actually do to win public support and confidence but I'd guess that the longer they keep SF out in the cold the more that the public anger will build.

It is a pressing issue for me; I don't want a political party being controlled by terrorists or shadowy figures in the background anywhere near the running of this country. The Chief policeman in the country was correct and had a duty to call this one out. FG have been consistent all along in their insistence that they will not deal with SF, not just in the past few days.

Of course for some it will still be an issue. I don't believe that if there are any figures giving advice in the background that they are still actively directing terrorism. Personally I think it would be best that SF are not admitted into government this time but it is going to happen sooner or later.  Are Fine Gael going to wait until all of the former IRA figures have died off before they will consider going into government then? Some people are so set in their thinking and feel so threatened as the old established order comes under threat, that they simply can't countenance SF in government at any stage be that now or in 15 years time. Unfortunately that is not democracy either.         

Surely excluding the most popular party from government is not democracy either? And as for the IRA, you don't seriously think that FG/FF's concern is actually about the IRA? It's extinct FFS. FF & FG are purely concerned about power & self-preservation and that requires stemming the SF tide at all costs and if that means going so far as to risk the peace process by trying desperately to conjure up the IRA at every opportunity, then so be it. They are morally bankrupt.

How 'f*&king gullible' are you?

My question stands. Drew Harris basically said he agrees with HIS OWN report from when he was PSNI deputy chief. That report DID NOT say that an army council controls SF, but that individual IRA people believe that an army council oversees SF. So the story has been deliberately skewed to deliver a false narrative. So only the dishonest or the stupid are claiming that he said he believes SF are controlled by an army council. Which is it in your case?

And again, why aren't you concerned by Drew Harris' past, considering his current position?

We pick and chose when to get upset with people's past. No consistency.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Snáth Gaeilge
« on: February 23, 2020, 02:24:57 AM »
Ní bhfuair muid Acht na Gaeilge, agus níl mórán ráite faoi

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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: February 21, 2020, 08:46:02 AM »
Another election I presume. More than likely fg and ff will do a deal. If there was another election sf would stand more candidates and more than likely be the largest party.

PBP, Independents and Greens would lose seats, there would be no loyalty to the "left"

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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: February 18, 2020, 03:27:21 PM »
I don't care what you were talking about earlier, i'm talking about the economy.
As am I. It was you who brought up the topic. You asid the poor economy was SF's fault. I'm (still) trying to get you to explain how you came to that conclusion.

So what is the point of SF in the North if we follow your logic, you seem to making a very strong argument for going to Westminster to wield some power there or agreeing direct rule.
No I advocate Irish reunification. Partition will always be economically bad for Ireland. Borders by their very nature are bad for business.

Both them and the DUP have never produced any financial or strategic plan to work with what they have. The clear east/west divide in the NI has never been addressed-are they out there encouraging inward manufacturing? The only reason they are back in Stormont is because they lost a shit load of votes and the nurses went on strike. Out of their depth, hand out to the Brits
Of course they produce spending plans. They're called budgets and the next one will be produced in around 3 weeks time. But all that is just a case of distributing the money handed over from westminster. You may recall all parties recently complaining that they did not get what they were expecting upon restoration of the assembly? So, again given that they cannot make any fiscal adjustments, AGAIN I find myself asking you how you figure that Sinn Féin are the ones responsible for the strength of the economy when all they, alongside the other executive ministers, can only distribute what they are given and given that the Department of the Economy has only ever been held by the DUP or UUP.

You have contradicted yourself a number of times and have basically said SF are powerless to make any economic improvements in NI along with their partners in crime(Dup). So direct rule it is, or do a John Hume and actually get out to the US and get some industry here(Dupont, Seagate etc)

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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: February 18, 2020, 01:57:22 PM »
Yep its big boy stuff now, I have my doubts of SF ability. They have not done well here in the north tackling any economic issues.

Call it "the default position" all you want, but how can SF be responsible for the weakness of an economy when the governing body for the area doesn't have any fiscal powers and when the position of Economy Minister since the GFA was signed in 1998, has never yet been held by a nationalist, let alone anyone from SF?

or when they walk out for 3 years.

Ironically, that reply was something of a 'walk-out' from the question at hand, so I may refer you back to said question. How can one party, which has never held the Economy Minister position within an assembly that holds no fiscal power, be responsible for the strength/weakness of the economy?

It is an assembly-no one ministerial position operates in isolation without without first getting passed at the Executive Office

The minister is still the minister ffs. And even if SF ever did hold the position (which, again, they have not to date), how can the minister, or indeed the minister with the hypothetical full support of an executive, be responsible for the strength of the economy when they have no fiscal powers?

Direct Rule then?

You're doing a lot of dancing on a pinhead here. The discussion wasn't about methods of helping the economy. Rather, it began with you placing the blame for the poor economy in the six counties directly at the door of Sinn Féin. I'm trying to establish your reasoning, given, as I say, that they have never held the Economy Ministry which itself is a part of a 'government' with no fiscal power. So again, how is their fault?

I don't care what you were talking about earlier, i'm talking about the economy. So what is the point of SF in the North if we follow your logic, you seem to making a very strong argument for going to Westminster to wield some power there or agreeing direct rule. Both them and the DUP have never produced any financial or strategic plan to work with what they have. The clear east/west divide in the NI has never been addressed-are they out there encouraging inward manufacturing? The only reason they are back in Stormont is because they lost a shit load of votes and the nurses went on strike. Out of their depth, hand out to the Brits

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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: February 18, 2020, 01:11:54 PM »
Yep its big boy stuff now, I have my doubts of SF ability. They have not done well here in the north tackling any economic issues.

Call it "the default position" all you want, but how can SF be responsible for the weakness of an economy when the governing body for the area doesn't have any fiscal powers and when the position of Economy Minister since the GFA was signed in 1998, has never yet been held by a nationalist, let alone anyone from SF?

or when they walk out for 3 years.

Ironically, that reply was something of a 'walk-out' from the question at hand, so I may refer you back to said question. How can one party, which has never held the Economy Minister position within an assembly that holds no fiscal power, be responsible for the strength/weakness of the economy?

It is an assembly-no one ministerial position operates in isolation without without first getting passed at the Executive Office

The minister is still the minister ffs. And even if SF ever did hold the position (which, again, they have not to date), how can the minister, or indeed the minister with the hypothetical full support of an executive, be responsible for the strength of the economy when they have no fiscal powers?

Direct Rule then?

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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: February 18, 2020, 12:28:00 PM »
Yep its big boy stuff now, I have my doubts of SF ability. They have not done well here in the north tackling any economic issues.

Call it "the default position" all you want, but how can SF be responsible for the weakness of an economy when the governing body for the area doesn't have any fiscal powers and when the position of Economy Minister since the GFA was signed in 1998, has never yet been held by a nationalist, let alone anyone from SF?

or when they walk out for 3 years.

Ironically, that reply was something of a 'walk-out' from the question at hand, so I may refer you back to said question. How can one party, which has never held the Economy Minister position within an assembly that holds no fiscal power, be responsible for the strength/weakness of the economy?

It is an assembly-no one ministerial position operates in isolation without without first getting passed at the Executive Office

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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: February 18, 2020, 11:14:18 AM »
Yep its big boy stuff now, I have my doubts of SF ability. They have not done well here in the north tackling any economic issues.

Call it "the default position" all you want, but how can SF be responsible for the weakness of an economy when the governing body for the area doesn't have any fiscal powers and when the position of Economy Minister since the GFA was signed in 1998, has never yet been held by a nationalist, let alone anyone from SF?

or when they walk out for 3 years.

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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: February 18, 2020, 10:20:53 AM »
If anybody needs any reminding why a large proportion of the population still have an issue with sinn fein being involved in government then they should watch Lost Lives which was on BBC1NI last night.

Lazy analysis, did the IRA kill innocent people, undoubtedly, but then look at the history of the NI state. When did the violence and insurrection of the '20's become acceptable. There is blood on many hands including Unionist/loyalist, Republicans and the British State. The Irish state could also be arguably guilty of the sin of omission, and that is before we get into the scandal and corruption. So whilst SF undoubtedly have a past they can only be part of the future of this island. It was exclusionary politics that led to partition and all that followed. Memories have a habit of being selective.
The most notable change in 26 co society that the election campaign highlighted, is that the collective desperate attempt to blacken Sinn Fein with the usual propoganda had not only no effect but rebounded against FF  & FG. 
This is a non-reversible shift.
Er, no.
People wanted a change and SF got a large youth vote. that vote is very fickle. Where was that vote last year for the local and european elections?

They'll migrate again once they realise unicorn policies don't work and none of the extra consultants or doctors will come back to work in the health service because they will be paying higher levels of tax here under SF, and added to that the US multinationals start leaving or downsizing due to hikes to the tax rates (which I think should be inched upwards - a proper republic shouldn't be giving sweetheart deals to multi billion euro companies) plus we don't have the builders or construction sector capacity to start building masses of social housing/accommodation. A large majority of which needs to be located in town and city centres as the urban sprawl that has been accelerating over the past 2 decades cannot continue, and people want/need to live in urban areas

Yep its big boy stuff now, I have my doubts of SF ability. They have not done well here in the north tackling any economic issues.

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General discussion / Re: Movie reccomendations
« on: February 17, 2020, 08:46:18 AM »
Just watched Lost lives on BBC 1, horrific.

No doubt AFM will be on to tell me yo fuvk up

Was that last night?


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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: February 14, 2020, 03:01:01 PM »
Angelo give up.




You'd like that.

Actually no. Im enjoying you. You are some craic hi. Baa! Baa! Baa!

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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: February 14, 2020, 02:53:00 PM »
Angelo give up.



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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: February 14, 2020, 10:16:57 AM »
I wonder if the suspect in the mary boyle case was a Sinn Fein member would the media still ignore it. What di you think lads?

RTÉ produced a documentary on it. And I don't even see comparison between the cases other than 2 innocent people were murdered brutally

That's true. The quinn murder was not carried out by a sinn fein member but one member suggested Quinn was a criminal. That's case mo 1.

In case no 2 a FF representative covered up the kidnap and murder of a small child.

So yes, they are certainly different.

If Shinners want to score points they should focus on economic issues rather than Mary Boyle.
FF blew up the economy in 2009
FG caused the housing crisis.

It's not a case of scoring points. SF never tried to shoehorn Mary Boyle in as an election issue - it just shows how low FG/FF and the establishment will sink.

The Boyles have not been asking FF for answers for the last 45 years. Bury your argument its ridiculous at this stage. Baa Baa Baa. I am a robot lol

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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: February 13, 2020, 07:48:03 PM »
I wonder if the suspect in the mary boyle case was a Sinn Fein member would the media still ignore it. What di you think lads?

RTÉ produced a documentary on it. And I don't even see comparison between the cases other than 2 innocent people were murdered brutally

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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: February 13, 2020, 04:09:32 PM »
But they will still be ministers. All continue in their caretaker role, including Leo as caretaker Taoiseach, until a new government is formed. Technically he could be Taoiseach for many months including as Hound said the visit to the White House on St. Paddy's Day. Indeed, if there is a new election later if no gov can be formed, he could go to the country slightly more popular than he was in February and come back with the most number of seats. Stranger things have happened.

Another election could see both FF and FG pick up seats.
They would have refined their manifestos and would have a right go at SF's fairytale.

See that is pure rubbish! Have a right go? what do you think they did in this election. They got every media outlet in the country to attack SF, they dragged up a 13 year old murder case and manipulated a grieving mother to further their goals. And they still failed and if SF ran in an election tomorrow they could take another 6 or 7 seats. You clearly have a hatred of SF, that's fair enough, but you are talking total garbage there - the kitchen sink was already thrown at SF and it failed and done nothing but drive people towards them.

Breege Quinn raised the story, still no apology

Breege Quinn has raised the story for 13 years, it got on front pages and into debates last week! If you think that is some sort of accident then there is nothing I can do for you.

Out of the 3 parties involved in this we have SF,FF,FG

FF/FG jumped on the bandwagon for political gain-crass and shallow

SF created a lie/slur about the family and defended it. They also clearly could have done more at the time to bring killers to justice.

Both bad, but you know which is worse

1. Cop yourself on. Breege Quinn has been campaigning for 13 years. Only last month did FG/FF/RTE etc show an interest in her.
2. SF didn't 'create' what you are calling a "lie/slur". Conor Murphy only said what was in the intelligence reports, including what was published by the Independent Monitoring Commission.

You must have misread what I wrote. I said FF/FG have jumped on story, but RTE in fact have been reporting on this for years(albeit with less intensity)
Of course SF created the slur-where have you been?
To make matters worse they never withdrew it despite many calls from Quinns!  And low and behold once an election comes along, Murphy gives a half hearted retraction-Now how is that any different in terms of political gamemanship  than what we seen from other parties.

And anyhow why jesus christ oh why would Murphy stand up and excuse a murder in the first place just because he might have been a smuggler or whatever. You really need to look at yourself lad. Shameful.

What kind of country do we want to live in?

No harm to you, but you are full of shit. Come down from your castle for a second. How did SF create the "slur" when it was based on the opinions of the security/intelligence services which was published for public consumption by the Independent Monitoring Commission. And since the IMC published the same claim, does that mean they too were "excusing" the murder? Or is that just the sort of political point scoring stoop bullsh1t you like to attach to Conor Murphy?

You are brainwashed sur. Plus I am not an SDLP voter, I don't know where you got that. im a republican, just not a furry white one which shite hanging from my arse.


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