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Harte was the man behind the campaign and probably the most high profile name there, it was crass and it was definitely done with a personal angle and that's the way it was taken. RTE's remorse didn't come across as genuine and I think Harte is fully justified.

It is amazing how often one's reaction to being wronged, can twist everything around in an instant.

Very few people would disagree that Harte was wronged by the skit. It was beyond crass. However his reaction has made him appear to be the story.

This is not unusual. Alan Shatter, Donald Trump, Tiarnan McCann are all recent example of people who felt that they were somehow wronged, but their reactions instantly turned everything on it head.

His "reaction" has been to withdraw from any perceived obligations with RTE, he has done it quite privately and it's others who make an issue of it.

[if you had a below the belt shot at you from a state broadcaster]

I have absolutely no grudge or issue with Tyrone or their people but their history of cynicism, dirty play and downright poor behaviour is there for all to see. Even the Tyrone manager won't speak to RTE for some unknown reason. I genuinely believe there is a general culture in tyrone that doesn't exist in any other county.

As for that pathetic dive last night by the Tyrone No.10. I'd guess half the country simply rolled their eyes and just thought, that's Tyrone for you.

Unknown reason? Maybe if you had a below the belt shot at you from a state broadcaster using the death of your kin as a vehicle you might understand why Harte's stance has been obstinate.

Why limit the blame to the 'state broadcaster'?

Why not all Irish people?

Or all EU citizens?

Or the whole world?

Or maybe just blame the crap comedian.

Maybe you're a bit slow, but it happened to be broadcast by the state broadcaster.

Decent article from Sweeney on it here.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-stance-has-decency-on-its-side-29243123.html

Ah I see.

Then why not blame the State?

Because it was in issue with the broadcaster who delivered avery low blow against Harte over a dispute, it was personal and nasty and Harte has every right to hold his stance. Great credit to the way the players have backed him and I was delighted for the man yesterday after all he has been through.

Do you think the broadcaster has a single mind, or even minds, that decide everything that is to be broadcast? Do you honestly think that such a mind set out to 'deliver a very low blow' because of Brian Carthy? Why didn't they do it to anyone else who supported Carthy?

This is not to defend the crassness of the segment on the John Murray show.

Harte was the man behind the campaign and probably the most high profile name there, it was crass and it was definitely done with a personal angle and that's the way it was taken. RTE's remorse didn't come across as genuine and I think Harte is fully justified.

[if you had a below the belt shot at you from a state broadcaster]

I have absolutely no grudge or issue with Tyrone or their people but their history of cynicism, dirty play and downright poor behaviour is there for all to see. Even the Tyrone manager won't speak to RTE for some unknown reason. I genuinely believe there is a general culture in tyrone that doesn't exist in any other county.

As for that pathetic dive last night by the Tyrone No.10. I'd guess half the country simply rolled their eyes and just thought, that's Tyrone for you.

Unknown reason? Maybe if you had a below the belt shot at you from a state broadcaster using the death of your kin as a vehicle you might understand why Harte's stance has been obstinate.

Why limit the blame to the 'state broadcaster'?

Why not all Irish people?

Or all EU citizens?

Or the whole world?

Or maybe just blame the crap comedian.

Maybe you're a bit slow, but it happened to be broadcast by the state broadcaster.

Decent article from Sweeney on it here.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-stance-has-decency-on-its-side-29243123.html

Ah I see.

Then why not blame the State?

Because it was in issue with the broadcaster who delivered avery low blow against Harte over a dispute, it was personal and nasty and Harte has every right to hold his stance. Great credit to the way the players have backed him and I was delighted for the man yesterday after all he has been through.

[if you had a below the belt shot at you from a state broadcaster]

I have absolutely no grudge or issue with Tyrone or their people but their history of cynicism, dirty play and downright poor behaviour is there for all to see. Even the Tyrone manager won't speak to RTE for some unknown reason. I genuinely believe there is a general culture in tyrone that doesn't exist in any other county.

As for that pathetic dive last night by the Tyrone No.10. I'd guess half the country simply rolled their eyes and just thought, that's Tyrone for you.

Unknown reason? Maybe if you had a below the belt shot at you from a state broadcaster using the death of your kin as a vehicle you might understand why Harte's stance has been obstinate.

Why limit the blame to the 'state broadcaster'?

Why not all Irish people?

Or all EU citizens?

Or the whole world?

Or maybe just blame the crap comedian.

Maybe you're a bit slow, but it happened to be broadcast by the state broadcaster.

Decent article from Sweeney on it here.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-stance-has-decency-on-its-side-29243123.html

To those who think no one complained about Aidan O'Mahony at the time:

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=9096.0

27 pages of it.

I have no problem with people vilifying Tiernan McCann for what he did, it was wrong and it's not nice to see. It's sad that people are using to drag Tyrone through the mud, Kerry have as much shady shit through the years but seem to avoid any sort of connection to these acts.

I have absolutely no grudge or issue with Tyrone or their people but their history of cynicism, dirty play and downright poor behaviour is there for all to see. Even the Tyrone manager won't speak to RTE for some unknown reason. I genuinely believe there is a general culture in tyrone that doesn't exist in any other county.

As for that pathetic dive last night by the Tyrone No.10. I'd guess half the country simply rolled their eyes and just thought, that's Tyrone for you.

Unknown reason? Maybe if you had a below the belt shot at you from a state broadcaster using the death of your kin as a vehicle you might understand why Harte's stance has been obstinate.

The most glaring question has been missed by everybody though..... Where  did the pigeons get all the tickets from?

They were everywhere!!

I thought mcrory broke through quite a few times for tyrone. Won at least one scoreable free.

Monaghan were diving a bit on the head high stuff but cavanagh did nail mcadam good and proper.

Surprised more isn't said of paul finlay's dig to the back of cavanagh's head.

Photo doing the rounds on twitter of mccann winking to someone when hughes was sent off a la kyle lafferty...

But Hughes was sent off for hitting Ritchie Donnelly! The McCann incident happened after the ref had decided to send him off.

You sure about that? If so how?

I saw it. Duffy was on the way to get his book out as Hughes made contact with McCann. If Duffy did send Hughes off for the incident given the fact that he was 5 yards away and looking straight at it then we have to ask serious questions about how our game is reffed. Monaghan lost the plot in the closing minutes. Tyrone didn't help and wound them up, Finlay may be a decent fella but he was like a desperate/frustrated man who was looking at a dismal end to his career. I do not condone some of the Tyrone antics but for them to shoulder all the blame for the last 10mins of that game is just typical of how our games are reported.

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The media have a template in place for any sort of controversy in a game involving either Tyrone or Armagh, the blame is already apportioned to one party irrespective of the circumstances.

We'll need to be very disciplined in this game and not let Kerry and their antics interfere with us imposing our footballing game on them. The Southern media will be in overdrive after what happened yesterday, we need to win this one for the Derrytresk lads and for the biased and hypocritical horseshit that has been circulated in the media over the years about Tyrone.

I have a feeling this poor creatur is serious!

Anyone who was at the 05 final knows the special treatment Canavan came in for from Tom O'Sullivan where we as goaded, taunted and attacked for the full game but of course we heard nothing about it due to the blindness some people have in respect to Kerry. Peter The Great came up with a superb 1-01 from play and Tyrone became All Ireland Champions.

Kerry had no problem lowering the blade against us but still it wasn't enough. The attempts the Southern media have made to try and devalue our achievements doesn't sit well with me.

This was the bit I laughed at..."we need to win this one for the Derrytresk lads"....

Derrytresk had their name sullied because of the aggressive and trampish Kerry outfit couldn't take their beating with a semblance of class, they lowered the game they were involved in with their antics and they didn't like the outcome of that.

We'll need to be very disciplined in this game and not let Kerry and their antics interfere with us imposing our footballing game on them. The Southern media will be in overdrive after what happened yesterday, we need to win this one for the Derrytresk lads and for the biased and hypocritical horseshit that has been circulated in the media over the years about Tyrone.

I have a feeling this poor creatur is serious!

Anyone who was at the 05 final knows the special treatment Canavan came in for from Tom O'Sullivan where we as goaded, taunted and attacked for the full game but of course we heard nothing about it due to the blindness some people have in respect to Kerry. Peter The Great came up with a superb 1-01 from play and Tyrone became All Ireland Champions.

Kerry had no problem lowering the blade against us but still it wasn't enough. The attempts the Southern media have made to try and devalue our achievements doesn't sit well with me.

We'll need to be very disciplined in this game and not let Kerry and their antics interfere with us imposing our footballing game on them. The Southern media will be in overdrive after what happened yesterday, we need to win this one for the Derrytresk lads and for the biased and hypocritical horseshit that has been circulated in the media over the years about Tyrone.

Kerry introduced simulation to the game with Aidan O'Mahony.

Got beaten by an inferior Kerry side in a big game in Croke Park in the past 15 years.

Ronan McNabb is an absolute class act.

Better team won today and I find the outrage a bit condescending, Kerry have done as bad in three of four games in the past year.

Bit of northern bias there I reckon. No place for the likes of Gooch or brogan?

I think Gooch is ridiculously overrated, a great man to steamroll teams that allow him play and when the opposition collapses but his record against Ulster teams is very poor. He's a great player but you'd have to question him doing it when the chips are down and games are in the melting pot.

I wouldn't say it's a Northern bias either, you look back at the last 15 years and Ulster has had 3 different teams share 5 titles, Down reached a final in 2010, Fermanagh and Derry also reached semi finals and Monaghan and Cavan have made quarter finals. Ulster teams have been competing at the very highest level since the turn of the millennium so it's hardly surprising they should have a big proportion of teams there.

Gooch was very good in Kerry's last two games v Tyrone. Excellent v Derry in '04. Good v Armagh in 06 and 02.
Also forgetting that a lot of these steamrollings are because of performances by Gooch that turned the game into steamrollings e.g. Mayo 04, Mayo 11, Dublin 09.

Definitely went missing less than McConville (03 final, 05 semi, 06 1/4) who's on your team. I rate McConville esp. from 00 and 02 games v Kerry but can't imagine anyone rating him above Gooch.

Ironic as McConville is the guy who is known for saving his peformances for the big games, his performance against Kerry inn 00 when he took 1-09 off Moynihan and his second half performance in 03 where he inspired Armagh to victory. Say what you want about McConville but he had a track record of coming up with big games when his county really needed him.

[He's a great player but you'd have to question him doing it when the chips are down]

Bit of northern bias there I reckon. No place for the likes of Gooch or brogan?

I think Gooch is ridiculously overrated, a great man to steamroll teams that allow him play and when the opposition collapses but his record against Ulster teams is very poor. He's a great player but you'd have to question him doing it when the chips are down and games are in the melting pot.

I wouldn't say it's a Northern bias either, you look back at the last 15 years and Ulster has had 3 different teams share 5 titles, Down reached a final in 2010, Fermanagh and Derry also reached semi finals and Monaghan and Cavan have made quarter finals. Ulster teams have been competing at the very highest level since the turn of the millennium so it's hardly surprising they should have a big proportion of teams there.

Well, for a player who has 4-33 in all Ireland finals alone- but they're only all ireland finals it's only the matches against Ulster teams that really matter.

Yeah, but would he get a game before Paddy Bradley?

Oh, wait. Yeah, yeah he would.

I've seen Bradley in action and I've seen Cooper in action. I know that Bradey could master the closest of attention and still come out and win his own ball and wrestle the space he needed to be able to stick it over the bar and in the net again and again. Gooch is probably the top scorer in Championship history? But when you dig deeper into his performances into the closer games, the big ones where Kerry came across the Ulster boys, he was consistently found wanting - even when Kerry beat Armagh in 06, Gooch was a peripheral figure because it was all about Donaghy that day. His scoring record from play against Ulster sides is really poor, particularly in contrast to what he could get against sides who folded against Kerry.

The myth about Cooper continues to perpetuate, anything he does or the mere sight of him on TV is blown out of proportion. There's no way Cooper is in the same league as someone like Canavan who continued to deliver massive performances when he was singled out and was without doubt a player who was pivotal to his team. Gooch was an auxillary forward who had trouble delivering when the chips are down - it's grand doing it against Mayo and Cork teams that choke but where was he the other days?