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Show posts MenuQuote from: INDIANA on November 27, 2009, 12:35:18 AMQuote from: Sionnach on November 26, 2009, 05:33:08 PMQuote from: muppet on November 21, 2009, 01:07:50 PM
We are on the way to becoming a League of Ireland to the AFL's Premiership.
Young players will be measured on whether or not they went to Oz for a trial and sadly the good ones mightn't come back.
So far there is no formal set up and all we have is Nixon floating around but it could get worse which might leave us with a Hobson's choice.
While I understand your poiint, it's not as simple as that surely. The players who might be suited to the code switch aren't always the ones who are most talented at Gaelic football, although that certainly helps. Colm Cooper would never have got an AFL contract if he wanted to go for instance.
Only ones that have made it have been excellent gaelic players because the aussies only look for the best. Bar a genetic freak like SOH an average GAA players has no chance.
Quote from: muppet on November 21, 2009, 01:07:50 PM
We are on the way to becoming a League of Ireland to the AFL's Premiership.
Young players will be measured on whether or not they went to Oz for a trial and sadly the good ones mightn't come back.
So far there is no formal set up and all we have is Nixon floating around but it could get worse which might leave us with a Hobson's choice.
Quote from: muppet on November 08, 2009, 07:12:16 PMQuote from: Sionnach on November 07, 2009, 09:56:26 PMQuote from: muppet on November 06, 2009, 02:58:13 PMQuote from: Sionnach on November 05, 2009, 11:23:17 PMQuote from: muppet on November 04, 2009, 09:47:21 PMQuote from: Sionnach on November 03, 2009, 11:36:12 PMQuote from: muppet on October 29, 2009, 09:39:30 PM
3)
Two leagues Connacht/Ulster & Leinster/Munster
Top 2 Ulster teams play Ulster Final
Top 2 Connacht teams play Connacht Final
Top 2 Leinster teams play Leinster Final
Top 2 Munster teams play Munster Final
Then 2 semi finals and the All-Ireland Final.
Advantages:
Each team guaranteed a minimum number of Championship games each year;
Provincial rivalries maintained to a large extent;
Traditional provincial finals retained;
Traditional knock-out system to find a winner;
Games could be run over a fixed period where each county would know the weekends required and thus could schedule club fixtures with better planning;
This would please sponsors, TV companies & the money men;
Disadvantages;
A team could finish a season not making the knock-out stages but still ahead of a team that makes say a Connacht Final;
Relegation & Promotion to a 2nd tier would be necessary;
This would please the sponsors, TV companies and the money men
There'd be little enough variety and certain problems of the current structure would be considerably worsened. In particular Galway/Mayo and Kerry/Cork would cruise through the league stage and meet for the provincial title and semi-final spot just about every year with the remaining counties of those provinces never getting a look in.
I'm not so sure. The likes of Sligo/Ros could be highly motivated against the Ulster teams (look at Wicklow this year) which would mean Galway/Mayo would have to match any good results they get. I wouldn't enjoy watching Mayo having to get a result against say away to Derry or Donegal away to make a Connacht Final.
Sorry, but the Sligos iof football get to their occasional Connacht finals by getting an easy draw or else by pulling off one or two surprise wins. Do you seriously believe there wouldn't be a reduction in the frequency of their reaching the Connacht final if they can only do so by outperforming Galway or Mayo over the course of around ten games (or however many they would play)?. No easy draws and a couple of surprise wins is unlikely to be be enough. This is why Sligo may occasionally finish in the top two Connach teams in the provincial championship but are unlikely to finish ahead of either Galway or Mayo in the NFL. League formats are always more likely to end up with the best teams at the top than knock-out and the power imbalance with the big two going for the two final places in this case would make that a problem.
This is the problem.
People think you can create a system which makes it harder for the strong teams to come through. You can't. The strong teams will in all probability, almost always come through.
If you accept that you can move on and create a new fair system for all, otherwise you start off looking for a system that handicaps strong teams, which will never happen.
Yes, this is exactly my point. Playing a league with the top two Connacht teams and top too Munster teams into the respective finals won't work because it is "too fair" and yet at the same time also not fair enough overall. The sides outside the big two are not good enough to challenge them over the course of a league most of the time, and it would be boring - wth knock-out the weaker sides can get an easy draw or a couple of surprises.
Your system suffers from trying to accommodate the unbalanced provincial championships, which is just making life difficult for yourself if you want to create a league which is "a new fair system for all" in your words. I don't object to incorporating a round-robin element to the championship, but trying to do that within the provincial championship framework makes it very hard to create a competitive and interesting structure.
The problem is creating a realistic proposal that:
* keeps the provincial councils happy by having provincial elements to it and more particularly provincial finals, otherwise it would be sunk straight away;
* maintains some level of local rivalry otherwise a run of poor attendances in say a pure open draw would put any reform back on the shelf for decades;
* increases the number of games for all teams;
I know it is not a thing of beauty but while say a 32 county open draw looks great in theory, I think it would flop after a couple of years of weak attendances.
Quote from: muppet on November 06, 2009, 02:58:13 PMQuote from: Sionnach on November 05, 2009, 11:23:17 PMQuote from: muppet on November 04, 2009, 09:47:21 PMQuote from: Sionnach on November 03, 2009, 11:36:12 PMQuote from: muppet on October 29, 2009, 09:39:30 PM
3)
Two leagues Connacht/Ulster & Leinster/Munster
Top 2 Ulster teams play Ulster Final
Top 2 Connacht teams play Connacht Final
Top 2 Leinster teams play Leinster Final
Top 2 Munster teams play Munster Final
Then 2 semi finals and the All-Ireland Final.
Advantages:
Each team guaranteed a minimum number of Championship games each year;
Provincial rivalries maintained to a large extent;
Traditional provincial finals retained;
Traditional knock-out system to find a winner;
Games could be run over a fixed period where each county would know the weekends required and thus could schedule club fixtures with better planning;
This would please sponsors, TV companies & the money men;
Disadvantages;
A team could finish a season not making the knock-out stages but still ahead of a team that makes say a Connacht Final;
Relegation & Promotion to a 2nd tier would be necessary;
This would please the sponsors, TV companies and the money men
There'd be little enough variety and certain problems of the current structure would be considerably worsened. In particular Galway/Mayo and Kerry/Cork would cruise through the league stage and meet for the provincial title and semi-final spot just about every year with the remaining counties of those provinces never getting a look in.
I'm not so sure. The likes of Sligo/Ros could be highly motivated against the Ulster teams (look at Wicklow this year) which would mean Galway/Mayo would have to match any good results they get. I wouldn't enjoy watching Mayo having to get a result against say away to Derry or Donegal away to make a Connacht Final.
Sorry, but the Sligos iof football get to their occasional Connacht finals by getting an easy draw or else by pulling off one or two surprise wins. Do you seriously believe there wouldn't be a reduction in the frequency of their reaching the Connacht final if they can only do so by outperforming Galway or Mayo over the course of around ten games (or however many they would play)?. No easy draws and a couple of surprise wins is unlikely to be be enough. This is why Sligo may occasionally finish in the top two Connach teams in the provincial championship but are unlikely to finish ahead of either Galway or Mayo in the NFL. League formats are always more likely to end up with the best teams at the top than knock-out and the power imbalance with the big two going for the two final places in this case would make that a problem.
This is the problem.
People think you can create a system which makes it harder for the strong teams to come through. You can't. The strong teams will in all probability, almost always come through.
If you accept that you can move on and create a new fair system for all, otherwise you start off looking for a system that handicaps strong teams, which will never happen.
Quote from: muppet on November 04, 2009, 09:47:21 PMQuote from: Sionnach on November 03, 2009, 11:36:12 PMQuote from: muppet on October 29, 2009, 09:39:30 PM
3)
Two leagues Connacht/Ulster & Leinster/Munster
Top 2 Ulster teams play Ulster Final
Top 2 Connacht teams play Connacht Final
Top 2 Leinster teams play Leinster Final
Top 2 Munster teams play Munster Final
Then 2 semi finals and the All-Ireland Final.
Advantages:
Each team guaranteed a minimum number of Championship games each year;
Provincial rivalries maintained to a large extent;
Traditional provincial finals retained;
Traditional knock-out system to find a winner;
Games could be run over a fixed period where each county would know the weekends required and thus could schedule club fixtures with better planning;
This would please sponsors, TV companies & the money men;
Disadvantages;
A team could finish a season not making the knock-out stages but still ahead of a team that makes say a Connacht Final;
Relegation & Promotion to a 2nd tier would be necessary;
This would please the sponsors, TV companies and the money men
There'd be little enough variety and certain problems of the current structure would be considerably worsened. In particular Galway/Mayo and Kerry/Cork would cruise through the league stage and meet for the provincial title and semi-final spot just about every year with the remaining counties of those provinces never getting a look in.
I'm not so sure. The likes of Sligo/Ros could be highly motivated against the Ulster teams (look at Wicklow this year) which would mean Galway/Mayo would have to match any good results they get. I wouldn't enjoy watching Mayo having to get a result against say away to Derry or Donegal away to make a Connacht Final.
Quote from: Bogball XV on October 26, 2009, 03:10:22 PM
And as for the irish commentary, they really should get rid of it.
Quote from: muppet on October 29, 2009, 09:39:30 PM
3)
Two leagues Connacht/Ulster & Leinster/Munster
Top 2 Ulster teams play Ulster Final
Top 2 Connacht teams play Connacht Final
Top 2 Leinster teams play Leinster Final
Top 2 Munster teams play Munster Final
Then 2 semi finals and the All-Ireland Final.
Advantages:
Each team guaranteed a minimum number of Championship games each year;
Provincial rivalries maintained to a large extent;
Traditional provincial finals retained;
Traditional knock-out system to find a winner;
Games could be run over a fixed period where each county would know the weekends required and thus could schedule club fixtures with better planning;
This would please sponsors, TV companies & the money men;
Disadvantages;
A team could finish a season not making the knock-out stages but still ahead of a team that makes say a Connacht Final;
Relegation & Promotion to a 2nd tier would be necessary;
This would please the sponsors, TV companies and the money men
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 02, 2009, 07:10:27 PMThe clubs would be pretty happy under muppet's system with the two conferences replacing the NFL and all but 3 rounds of knockout. Much better situation from a fixtures point of view.
And then what about the clubs some may ask? Good idea in theory though muppet, but how would you get relegation and it wouldn't be fair on those who are relegated then would it?
Quote from: Maroon Heaven on October 20, 2009, 10:28:19 AM
Here it is folks - The only way Professional GAA will take off in this country. Forget about the GPA - Its time to bring a professional business approach to it. I've done my maths. What do youse think?
Organisation Structure
A Gaelic Football Franchise with 12 franchises spread across Ireland & UK. The 12 separate franchises will be sold for £1 million and profits will be divided evenly between the GFF and the franchise owners
League Structure
12 Teams
1. Dublin Capitals (based in RDS)
2. Drumcondra Massives
3 Cork Rebels
4. Galway Tribes
5. Omagh Gaels
6. Midland Nomadics (Play 2 matches in Navan, Tullamore, Kildare, Portlaoise)
7. The Borders (Based around South Armagh/Dundalk/Newry)
8. Tralee Kingdom
9. London Patriots
10. Glasgow Irish
11. Birmingham Wolfhounds
12. North West Shamrocks (Based around Manchester/Liverpool)
1 Professional League
Home and Away - 22 games. (11 Home, 11 away)
To be played from April to September
One overall winner
Also a Cup Competition
Financials
I've calculated that for these 12 teams to operate they need a collective Financial budget of £71.5 million p/a
All Figures below are based on a yearly turnover
TV rights
Sky/Setanta - £15 million
Associate TV Partner – TV3 / UTV - £5 million
League Sponsor - £5 Million
Associate League sponsors *4 - £4 million
Cup Sponsor - £2 million
Shirt / Club sponsors - £1.2 per team (based on Ice Hockey with numerious Sponsors)
Gate Receipts - £30,250,000 (Calculated at an average of 5k a gate with average £25 a ticket across Corporate / Adult / Children)
Jersey sales / Club Shop - £5,000,000 (based on magic that figure – but if you have 12 franchises selling a jersey at £45 and associate items – I would need 8333 people for every club to spend £50 a year
Image Rights / Player Endorsements - £5,000,000 (The GFL franchise would own the players rights – so if Locusade wanted to endorse its product through a player they would need it to be managed by the GFL franchise)
Associate Money – Any money coming from the Cup competition and associate marketing at Team level may be retained by the franchise.
Overall Figure collected - £71,500,000
Which will give £6 million for the franchise to be operated on
Structure of Players within Franchise
30 players with an average wage bill of £80,000 a year – Total £2.4 million
I'd see a salary cap of £100k. No transfer fees. Maximum 3 year contract. If a player wants out – Let him walk. If a franchise wants to end a contract let them pay the player his full contract.
Management & Organisation wages £500,000
Transportation and management costs - £1m
Relationship with the GAA
None – Maybe a match in October with the professionals playing the Amateurs
If a Players is offered a Professional contract he has the choice of walking away from the Amatuer game and becoming a professional.
Its up to the GAA to decide what they want to do with the Player if he decides to go back to the Amateur code. I don't see a problem with this as the GAA have allowed the Professional footballers of the AFL return without question, while a similar situation arose in the 80's with Rugby league/Union and eventually the RFU allowed its players return to the Union code
Problems
Getting Suitable pitches
Patenting this idea before some edjit takes it off me
Quote from: dowling on October 20, 2009, 12:55:24 AMQuote from: Zulu on October 19, 2009, 08:54:26 PM
They looked into the feasability of a professional GAA and concluded that it wasn't a runner, yet you think that Donal, Dessie and 'the rest of them' (whoever the hell they are) want a professional GAA? I guess it doesn't matter what the GPA say at this stage as some of you have your minds made up and your ears covered. Funnily enough, if anyone connected with the GPA even suggests a professional GAA might be a runner, the same people who dismiss their claims to not want professionalism as lies will use it that as proof positive of their 'real' agenda.
So what conclusion should we have come to? What the feck was the feasibility study for? What is wrong with your head Zulu?