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#2191
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:04:01 PM
There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.

Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.

The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.

And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.

The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.

For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.
Thats fine until the GAA accept 30m with a very clear string attached explicitly for this scenario.
#2192
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 24, 2018, 09:46:43 PM
Liam Miller [rip] was a top paid professional sportsman and played his football for some of the richest clubs in the world as well as a sport that is a multi billion euro business. Maybe his sport should look after their own and not put his family through the embarrassment of  a charity match played in a stadium owned by an amateur organisation.
His sport are trying to raise funds for a hospice. Our sport wont help out.
#2193
Quote from: dublin7 on July 24, 2018, 07:08:04 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 24, 2018, 06:48:42 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 24, 2018, 05:35:02 PM
Bernard Flynn either:

(i) a prophet
(ii) a gobshite

He can be both.

Who in God's me is advising the GAA. Release a statement saying they met Liam Miller committee and will further discuss the matter. Do they just want more media attention and enjoy being the bad guys????

Even naming the GAA attendees by title and the committe members by name. Thats plain rude.
#2194
Quote from: TheClubman on July 24, 2018, 02:55:18 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 23, 2018, 04:37:24 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 23, 2018, 03:11:34 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 23, 2018, 02:12:07 PM
I'm starting to think you are Paul Kimmage.  ;D

My grammer and punctuation are better

;)
Welcome aboard, Paul.

I thought it was obvious some while back.
You seriously think im paul kimmage? Thats nuts fellas
#2195
Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 24, 2018, 12:02:16 PM
I must be missing something, but why don't the Liam Miller organising committee call it a GAA match?
If none of the players handle the ball then so be it.

Sorted!
Because its 2018 and for a hospice.
#2196
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2018, 02:19:51 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 23, 2018, 02:09:22 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2018, 01:02:49 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 23, 2018, 12:53:25 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2018, 12:37:02 PM
Couple of questions.
1) Why can the FAI or Soccer community not play the game in a Soccer stadium in Cork?
2) Who was responsible for announcing the game without a venue?
3) Why does the match have to be played in Cork?
4) How many will be at the game?

1. They are.

2. They didnt.

3. Because its a charity game for Cork to commemorate a Cork man. Why did the GAA play Anto Finnegsns fundraiser in a rugby venue in Belfast?

4. The 7,500 current tickets sold out in 60 seconds.

What's the issue then? It's sold out. They have a Venue.
Surely if there's that many Soccer fans in Cork the FAI or Cork City or whoever would have built a bigger Stadium?
This has been poorly organised by the Charity in my opinion. The Aviva is a more than suitable venue if it's purely about attendance.

The issue is the GAA took €30m for puc on the specific condition that it was opened for events like this. If they can increase the crowd they can increase the money raised for the local hospice. Soccer doesnt need a bigger stadium in Cork, waste of money.

You ignored the Anto Finnegan situation when the GAA were on the other side of the equation, wanting to allow Belfast commemorate a local lad.  Let me guess, thats different?

Honestly I have no issue with it, if they are willing to cover the costs of opening PUC for the evening. No problem. It's for a good cause.
My issue is with people using it to bash the GAA. People who have no interest in GAA, who look over the fence and refuse to see the amount of good such an organisation does up and down the country. An organisation I am proud to be a member of. Yes it isn't perfect, but it's better run than most other sporting organisations in the world. McKenna and Brolly have latched onto it as another Arrow to their GAA bashing Bow. I also think a lot of soccer heads have jumped on it and made a huge issue out of it.

There are alternatives that weren't explored. The FAI and Cork City are looking like the amateurs they are. This could have been handled a lot better rather than the megaphone diplomacy that it has now descended to.
A rule change is needed. But I doubt it will pass congress.
What have Cork City got to do with this?
#2197
Quote from: Jinxy on July 23, 2018, 02:12:07 PM
I'm starting to think you are Paul Kimmage.  ;D

My grammer and punctuation are better
#2198
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 23, 2018, 02:27:28 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 23, 2018, 02:09:22 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2018, 01:02:49 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 23, 2018, 12:53:25 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2018, 12:37:02 PM
Couple of questions.
1) Why can the FAI or Soccer community not play the game in a Soccer stadium in Cork?
2) Who was responsible for announcing the game without a venue?
3) Why does the match have to be played in Cork?
4) How many will be at the game?

1. They are.

2. They didnt.

3. Because its a charity game for Cork to commemorate a Cork man. Why did the GAA play Anto Finnegsns fundraiser in a rugby venue in Belfast?

4. The 7,500 current tickets sold out in 60 seconds.

What's the issue then? It's sold out. They have a Venue.
Surely if there's that many Soccer fans in Cork the FAI or Cork City or whoever would have built a bigger Stadium?
This has been poorly organised by the Charity in my opinion. The Aviva is a more than suitable venue if it's purely about attendance.

The issue is the GAA took €30m for puc on the specific condition that it was opened for events like this. If they can increase the crowd they can increase the money raised for the local hospice. Soccer doesnt need a bigger stadium in Cork, waste of money.

You ignored the Anto Finnegan situation when the GAA were on the other side of the equation, wanting to allow Belfast commemorate a local lad.  Let me guess, thats different?

So the GAA took 30 mil, knowing they would have to break/change their rules.. I'd like to see the detail in that agreement, have you a link to the actual agreement? or are you just talking out your arse?

Surely Cork Gaa would have changed the rules to allow soccer games to be played at PUC on receiving that money?
The agreement was linked to a couple of pages in in a Tweet and hsd bern mentioned in tbe media at kength.

Surely is the word.
#2199
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2018, 01:02:49 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 23, 2018, 12:53:25 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2018, 12:37:02 PM
Couple of questions.
1) Why can the FAI or Soccer community not play the game in a Soccer stadium in Cork?
2) Who was responsible for announcing the game without a venue?
3) Why does the match have to be played in Cork?
4) How many will be at the game?

1. They are.

2. They didnt.

3. Because its a charity game for Cork to commemorate a Cork man. Why did the GAA play Anto Finnegsns fundraiser in a rugby venue in Belfast?

4. The 7,500 current tickets sold out in 60 seconds.

What's the issue then? It's sold out. They have a Venue.
Surely if there's that many Soccer fans in Cork the FAI or Cork City or whoever would have built a bigger Stadium?
This has been poorly organised by the Charity in my opinion. The Aviva is a more than suitable venue if it's purely about attendance.

The issue is the GAA took €30m for puc on the specific condition that it was opened for events like this. If they can increase the crowd they can increase the money raised for the local hospice. Soccer doesnt need a bigger stadium in Cork, waste of money.

You ignored the Anto Finnegan situation when the GAA were on the other side of the equation, wanting to allow Belfast commemorate a local lad.  Let me guess, thats different?
#2200
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2018, 12:37:02 PM
Couple of questions.
1) Why can the FAI or Soccer community not play the game in a Soccer stadium in Cork?
2) Who was responsible for announcing the game without a venue?
3) Why does the match have to be played in Cork?
4) How many will be at the game?

1. They are.

2. They didnt.

3. Because its a charity game for Cork to commemorate a Cork man. Why did the GAA play Anto Finnegsns fundraiser in a rugby venue in Belfast?

4. The 7,500 current tickets sold out in 60 seconds.
#2201
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 22, 2018, 02:17:38 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 22, 2018, 02:10:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 22, 2018, 01:35:15 PM
I'm viewing this like someone going into Ashers and asking for a gay cake
If Ashers had taken public money for capital works and signed a document explicitly saying they had to bake gay cakes if asked you may have a point.

But they didn't and Cork co board did sign a form allowing events like this. A fact the mayor of cork knew when he approached them.

So the mayor asked for PUC? Not the family?
That is my understanding. The family arent involved in the logistics of the game. Yhete is a committee and Roy Keane and the mayor are on it.
#2202
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 22, 2018, 01:29:58 PM
While I've great sympathy with the family here I find that the GAA has been put in an invidious position. This is an FAI thing not a GAA thing. Play the game at Aviva. If the soccer community in Ireland want to support this worthwhile event then they will travel to Dublin. The FAI are loving this as it's bad news for the gaa and making them out to be terrible. If they had any balls they would have stepped in and said they would do it and provide a chartered train or planes to Dublin from
Cork to facilitate it but they have nothing in them so what would you expect.
Its an impressive bit of spin to turn the FAI into the villians if this saga. There is loyalty and then there is stupidity.
#2203
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 22, 2018, 01:35:15 PM
I'm viewing this like someone going into Ashers and asking for a gay cake
If Ashers had taken public money for capital works and signed a document explicitly saying they had to bake gay cakes if asked you may have a point.

But they didn't and Cork co board did sign a form allowing events like this. A fact the mayor of cork knew when he approached them.
#2204
Quote from: jmk on July 21, 2018, 02:26:02 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on July 21, 2018, 12:34:29 PM
This debacle does not deflect well on our organisation..

The game should go ahead in PuC.

To those who say it can't go ahead because of the rules: can we count at your enthusiastic support to change the rules at next Congress. If not, why not?

To those who say it shouldn't go ahead: why not? If Ulster Rugby had declined to facilitate a similar fund raiser coordinated aroun a GAA star what would the reaction have been?
Its very unlikely for Ulster Rugby to be asked to host a major fundraiser for a GAA  star as multiple GAA facilities in Ulster could be used . The people here who should be coming under criticism are the FAI. When have they ever put a decent stadium in place? No it is always a case of someone else can bale us out.
Did the IRFU  not host a game in Ravenhill because Belfast has no GAA stadium?

So your point is very silly. And wrong.