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General discussion / Re: Things that make you go What the F**k?
« on: May 23, 2020, 01:08:05 AM »
My WTF reaction to that is what drugs kinkpin gets driven around in a Citroen C3?

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General discussion / Re: You're All British in the North Now!!
« on: May 23, 2020, 01:05:52 AM »
She did a media thing with Jim Wells, who during the week said if she wants to be Irish she can move south, and he said

  "There's no point quoting the Belfast Agreement to me, we've never accepted it".

Its 20focking20

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General discussion / Re: Things that make you go What the F**k?
« on: May 07, 2020, 10:07:39 PM »
I love Conspiracy loons

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSfP8sXtMbk&feature=youtu.be

Who exactly is handling the Corona Virus Task Force in the US?
I look in to the back ground of Debra Birx which leads us to PEPFAR, which leads us to Bono and Bill Gates and the swampy depths of the Frankenstein Medical Industrial Complex. It's GLOBAL.

Gemma O'Doherty is her bestie.

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General discussion / Re: Ryanair
« on: May 01, 2020, 05:49:54 PM »
Was to be flying to London tomorrow for the big game in Ruislip.
Ros Co Board took vouchers from Aer Lingus for the €13,000 flight cost either for next year's trip to London or towards a trip to NY.
That was very shortsighted of them.

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General discussion / Re: Ryanair
« on: May 01, 2020, 03:47:32 PM »
So I was unable to get through to Ryanair customer service, and Ryanair wont take a complaint because I haven't exhausted the customer service route.

So I ranf the bank and instructed them to recall the fund. Imagine my surprise when I was told no, the 'law had changrd, the Government have banned any refunds over Covid 19'. When I picked my jaw up off the floor I pointed out a few flaws with that, off she went to the manager and lo and behold the recall request is in. Its not the youngwan who answthe phones fault, but my bank just blatantly lied to me, quoted non existent legislation and tried to block my consumer rights.

Was it a bank that has been bailed out by the government ?

Yes, and still majority owned.

I'm not sure am I more offended by the bank lying directly to my face or how terrible and easy to dismantle it was. I'm snarky enough to say hold on, there are loads put there who aren't.

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General discussion / Re: Ryanair
« on: May 01, 2020, 02:54:15 PM »
So I was unable to get through to Ryanair customer service, and Ryanair wont take a complaint because I haven't exhausted the customer service route.

So I ranf the bank and instructed them to recall the fund. Imagine my surprise when I was told no, the 'law had changrd, the Government have banned any refunds over Covid 19'. When I picked my jaw up off the floor I pointed out a few flaws with that, off she went to the manager and lo and behold the recall request is in. Its not the youngwan who answthe phones fault, but my bank just blatantly lied to me, quoted non existent legislation and tried to block my consumer rights.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Another Kerry player fails a doping test
« on: April 30, 2020, 05:41:38 PM »
But you can win a county 'contract' by shining at club level...

Its not that much. You don't get to turn pro on little over a grand a month.

Its more than an acadamy contract in rugby or most LoI first division players get.

But assume players want to go county for other reasons.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Another Kerry player fails a doping test
« on: April 30, 2020, 04:33:48 PM »
But you can win a county 'contract' by shining at club level...

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GAA Discussion / Re: Another Kerry player fails a doping test
« on: April 30, 2020, 03:38:05 PM »
As said prior, Intercounty Players get grants so that must encompass some kind of testing, which is fair enough.

To test club players is completely out of order, the game is amateur. Whatever about the training or the fairness if someone does cheat, the club game is amateur. That type of intrusion is unacceptable and would be blurring all types of lines legally thereafter. A club player gets absolutely no benefit from playing GAA financially, infact, it could be argued, it probably costs them to compete depending on circumstances and when fixtures may be fixed - Friday Night leaving work early, Saturday missing work altogether and so on.

Where do we stop? Do we test kids at U16 level?

Gaelic Football and Hurling are evasive sports. Rugby is an invasive sport. They are not comparable.

This amateur stuff is always wheeled out.  It's like this waffle that's spouted out.."ahh, he got sent off in a semi-final and he'll miss the All Ireland Final.  That's not fair he'll miss the biggest day of the year. Poor lad".  Tough turkey.  He was sent off, that's the rules.
 
Is your case is basically saying to all players 'Open the floodgates' and let them all take ilegal substances with no penalty?


You don't play sport do you?

Yes, that is the rules when someone is sent off. There is no rule regarding club player drug testing and thus that is the way it should stay, so the floodgates are already open. As you put it.

There is no 'reward' for doping in the GAA at club level. Even if your off your face on stimulants you need 14 other men playing to their best to even win the game. You might be great individually, which could, maybe result in a county call up where you'll be subjected to testing like everyone else on a higher platform. Even then, what do you get? A GPA grant? Trust me, you don't get that much a month from it, regional rugby player contracts aren't that much and they easily dwarf a county GPA grant.....and you don't have to bother going to work to top up.

So why do rugby playets dope then? Why do ayers bust a gut to get on tbe county panrl jn general? I accept in general doping is of less value to a team sport player than an athlete in an individual discipline, but your logic is flawed.

You would have to ask Rugby players the reasons behind doping. However, it is a physically more demanding game than GAA sports over more aspects. Contact is key - more contact = more recovery. The contact I'm sure we can all agree has lessned massively since say, the 00s in our games, whereas in Rugby it's got bigger and bigger. Doping massively increases the rate of recovery. Having played both I can say with a fair degree of confidence that the need to dope in GAA is much, much less than in Rugby Union (League is another level).

Some people dope because they don't have the necessary size to compete in their chosen sport, they feel pressured. Some maybe like to feel big. Some want to be the best they can be. It's not always about the money aspect. But of course that comes with performance.

Thats fine, but its not what you originally said.

You claimed there was no point in doping in the GAA as you are reliant on the other 14 players to win. Same logic applies to rugby.

One thing we are missing here is a proper regieme of PED's is expensive, tens of thousands. In rugby it seems to be players pushing the envelope with inhalers and OTC medication. And one Irish franchise is getting quite the reputation.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Another Kerry player fails a doping test
« on: April 30, 2020, 11:19:04 AM »
As said prior, Intercounty Players get grants so that must encompass some kind of testing, which is fair enough.

To test club players is completely out of order, the game is amateur. Whatever about the training or the fairness if someone does cheat, the club game is amateur. That type of intrusion is unacceptable and would be blurring all types of lines legally thereafter. A club player gets absolutely no benefit from playing GAA financially, infact, it could be argued, it probably costs them to compete depending on circumstances and when fixtures may be fixed - Friday Night leaving work early, Saturday missing work altogether and so on.

Where do we stop? Do we test kids at U16 level?

Gaelic Football and Hurling are evasive sports. Rugby is an invasive sport. They are not comparable.

This amateur stuff is always wheeled out.  It's like this waffle that's spouted out.."ahh, he got sent off in a semi-final and he'll miss the All Ireland Final.  That's not fair he'll miss the biggest day of the year. Poor lad".  Tough turkey.  He was sent off, that's the rules.
 
Is your case is basically saying to all players 'Open the floodgates' and let them all take ilegal substances with no penalty?


You don't play sport do you?

Yes, that is the rules when someone is sent off. There is no rule regarding club player drug testing and thus that is the way it should stay, so the floodgates are already open. As you put it.

There is no 'reward' for doping in the GAA at club level. Even if your off your face on stimulants you need 14 other men playing to their best to even win the game. You might be great individually, which could, maybe result in a county call up where you'll be subjected to testing like everyone else on a higher platform. Even then, what do you get? A GPA grant? Trust me, you don't get that much a month from it, regional rugby player contracts aren't that much and they easily dwarf a county GPA grant.....and you don't have to bother going to work to top up.

So why do rugby playets dope then? Why do ayers bust a gut to get on tbe county panrl jn general? I accept in general doping is of less value to a team sport player than an athlete in an individual discipline, but your logic is flawed.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Another Kerry player fails a doping test
« on: April 30, 2020, 11:16:42 AM »
If banned at county level should definitely be banned at club level. Can't have someone who enhanced themselves illegally going round laying it on lads in club games thereafter. Obviously in an ideal world the club lads would be tested too and I'm sure a fair few are also cheating with use of substances, but they're not being grant funded, the county lads can suck it up and should take severe punishment if caught.

If the GAA were serious about it they'd make it a stipulation that all grant funded players are tested annually and all new grant funded players are tested before they are given the coin, no point lads using the dope to get on the county panel, getting coin sitting on the bench all year, then going back to the club juiced up for club champ... its a minefield, at a base level its cheating and unethical, more importantly often its damaging to the health of these lads doing it.

The GAA has (had) the coin and should front up and take the lead, put the "Pro" sports to shame with a leading programme and transparency.

Got to agree with this. Let’s say it was an international rugby player. You couldn’t ban him (or her) from playing for Ireland but allow them to play for their province

Rugby players are professional. Gaelic Footballers or Hurlers are not.
That is not correct. The grants system makes intercounty players professional from a SI perspective. They recieve money. And a lot more GAA players get money than rugby players.

This was explicitly the deal when the GPA obtained the grants.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Another Kerry player fails a doping test
« on: April 29, 2020, 11:17:41 PM »
If banned at county level should definitely be banned at club level. Can't have someone who enhanced themselves illegally going round laying it on lads in club games thereafter. Obviously in an ideal world the club lads would be tested too and I'm sure a fair few are also cheating with use of substances, but they're not being grant funded, the county lads can suck it up and should take severe punishment if caught.

If the GAA were serious about it they'd make it a stipulation that all grant funded players are tested annually and all new grant funded players are tested before they are given the coin, no point lads using the dope to get on the county panel, getting coin sitting on the bench all year, then going back to the club juiced up for club champ... its a minefield, at a base level its cheating and unethical, more importantly often its damaging to the health of these lads doing it.

The GAA has (had) the coin and should front up and take the lead, put the "Pro" sports to shame with a leading programme and transparency.

Hold up. It is banned at club level and the GAA can arrange testing at any level tomorrow if it wants. The only amateur sports people I am aware of being tested are cyclists (for obvious reasons) and NCAA (and I assume a scenario where an amateur side qualify for Europe in soccer). I think we all agree we ate nowhrre near cycling problems. So is the expense and confrontation worth it?

Sports Ireland test in professional sport, and the grants put intercounty players in that bracket.

Athletics too. Sports Ireland will only test those who are carded (receive grants), however a non-carded athlete could for example qualify for the European Cross Country championships and be randomly selected for a test after the race.

So not amateur athletes per say, but an amateur can qualify for an elite competition and fall into the regieme then?

So nothing stopping you juicing away your pre season? Hard one to call.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Another Kerry player fails a doping test
« on: April 29, 2020, 02:58:15 PM »
If banned at county level should definitely be banned at club level. Can't have someone who enhanced themselves illegally going round laying it on lads in club games thereafter. Obviously in an ideal world the club lads would be tested too and I'm sure a fair few are also cheating with use of substances, but they're not being grant funded, the county lads can suck it up and should take severe punishment if caught.

If the GAA were serious about it they'd make it a stipulation that all grant funded players are tested annually and all new grant funded players are tested before they are given the coin, no point lads using the dope to get on the county panel, getting coin sitting on the bench all year, then going back to the club juiced up for club champ... its a minefield, at a base level its cheating and unethical, more importantly often its damaging to the health of these lads doing it.

The GAA has (had) the coin and should front up and take the lead, put the "Pro" sports to shame with a leading programme and transparency.

Hold up. It is banned at club level and the GAA can arrange testing at any level tomorrow if it wants. The only amateur sports people I am aware of being tested are cyclists (for obvious reasons) and NCAA (and I assume a scenario where an amateur side qualify for Europe in soccer). I think we all agree we ate nowhrre near cycling problems. So is the expense and confrontation worth it?

Sports Ireland test in professional sport, and the grants put intercounty players in that bracket.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Another Kerry player fails a doping test
« on: April 29, 2020, 02:49:53 PM »


this is what grinds my gears, lad at 35 not many years left and he cant even play club football because hes held to a higher set of rules than the other lads who are still able to play. With the Anti doping surely the ban should only apply to Inter County football/ Hurling? Gutted for the fella

A well known LoI player got 2 years for pissing off home without pissing. He failed to give a sample, 2 years, thats how seriously thay take it. He is banned from all soccer globally for 2 years. No dropping down to the pub leagues. Not insured to train .Thats how it works, they may only test at a certsin level, but if you are caught, thats you.

You can't have a situation where an open and shut steroid abuser can get caught and play away at club.

How many times did he miss a test before he got banned?

One. Failed to provide a sample. Went home. 2 years.

I always thought you got a couple of chances before a ban. Every day is a school day

Same as Rio. He failed the test by failing to take the test. I think the severity was he was in the room with a bottle of water and just decided to leave.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Another Kerry player fails a doping test
« on: April 29, 2020, 10:55:10 AM »
Surely if you were totally innocent you fight to clear your name rather than just except it because you are old.

Expensive though.

You could be cynical and suggest he had the last word saying it was an otc medication for a stomach thing and that is that. If that is the case 4 years is outrageous and a travesty. But we will never know the actual circumstances because he is leaving it there.

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