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Sorry one thing I am not sure on. Is this to raise money for Liam Miller's family? Or is this game for charity? Can someone clear that up?
I am not being awkward, I genuinely want to know and can't find any information. Some papers are calling it a testimonial, is that right or wrong?

Both. The hospice and the family

Why does his family need money. Was he not on £25k a week at Utd?
No issue with raising money for charity.

But you do have an issue with raising funds for the family... Who knows the families situation,  but is that really a valid question? They may have spent millions on treatment.

Tell me about the GAA games in Tallaght Stadium.
Tell me Shamrocks haven't got a sweetheart deal.

Cuman na mbun Scoil regularly played there.

Google is your friend.

https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/finals-day-success-in-dublin-feile-na-ngael

Of course rovers got a good deal, undeservedly, but its unquestionably worked for the area and makes a profit. But the facility is in constant use from corporate gigs to car boot sales and loads of sports.  I think the Gaels need to back off that one, history hasnt been kind to Thomas Davis on that one.

I think we all know what would happen if a local gaa club approached the council to use the place for a fundraiser.

Is this the municipal facility that is too small for a 15 a side football or hurling game to be played on? Is that inclusive or exclusive I wonder.

Thats smaller things can fit in bigger things and not vice versa.

The pount remains, the GAA have zero problem using other codes grounds while retaining rule 42.  That in itself is an issue

Sorry one thing I am not sure on. Is this to raise money for Liam Miller's family? Or is this game for charity? Can someone clear that up?
I am not being awkward, I genuinely want to know and can't find any information. Some papers are calling it a testimonial, is that right or wrong?

Both. The hospice and the family

Tell me about the GAA games in Tallaght Stadium.
Tell me Shamrocks haven't got a sweetheart deal.

Cuman na mbun Scoil regularly played there.

Google is your friend.

https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/finals-day-success-in-dublin-feile-na-ngael

Of course rovers got a good deal, undeservedly, but its unquestionably worked for the area and makes a profit. But the facility is in constant use from corporate gigs to car boot sales and loads of sports.  I think the Gaels need to back off that one, history hasnt been kind to Thomas Davis on that one.

I think we all know what would happen if a local gaa club approached the council to use the place for a fundraiser.

Rossfan has been embarrassed, again.

Anyone with a cursory understanding of Dublin Gaelic games would know that its a stadium available to the GAA. Has he been stewing in his juices over that for years based on fundamental ignorance?

That bitter a row and they can all play nice now. There is a lesson there, not 100% sure what, but there is one.

Casement has been demolished and redevelopment has been held up on planning issues and lack of an Executive.

This we know. But the snide comments directed at soccer for having a facility and looking at a once off bigger gate werent directed internally when the IRFU were asked for a lend when there isnt even a facility there. Its blatant hypocricy.

Tell me about the GAA games in Tallaght Stadium.
Tell me Shamrocks haven't got a sweetheart deal.

Cuman na mbun Scoil regularly played there.

Google is your friend.

https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/finals-day-success-in-dublin-feile-na-ngael

Of course rovers got a good deal, undeservedly, but its unquestionably worked for the area and makes a profit. But the facility is in constant use from corporate gigs to car boot sales and loads of sports.  I think the Gaels need to back off that one, history hasnt been kind to Thomas Davis on that one.

I think we all know what would happen if a local gaa club approached the council to use the place for a fundraiser.

Once again I will say it, money should not be raised on the back of ordinary supporters, Liam Millers sport is a multi billion euro business, he has played for 2 of the richest soccer clubs in the world, surely it is his sports responsibility to fund whatever needs funding, a mere drop in the ocean to them.
The gaa have put proper facilities in every county in Ireland, the best a multi billion euro business can do is a 7000 thousand seater cabbage patch in our second city, and the public expect the gaa to fill the breech when Turners cross is not adequate.

Antrim? Where the GAA  recently got the IRFU to 'fill the breech (sic)'to raise money for Anto Finnegan?
If Turners Cross is a 'cabbage patch', what is Casement, in our actual second city?

Well said Ballagh.
My taxes paid 100 % for a free stadium for Shamrock Rovers.
No GAA games there though!
And nobody "outraged"

There are GAA games there...

Its a municipal stadium used by all sorts of groups. No Rule 42 in place. Their website even has a booking enquiery tab.

Thats not a sensible or valid comparison.

I'm not disagreeing entirely with you Baile Brogin, as there are some genuinely Neanderthal hypocrites attached to the GAA.

But give €30m to boxing or athletics and you're basically giving about a €5,000 grant per half serious competitior in each sport.

It's more like €2 per competitor in GAA. And that before you begin gauging public interest.

Soccer could take that line and raise you...

This is the main problem i have with the hierarchy. Say yes and they are the good guys. Say no and there is a national debate about state funding and rule 42. And its not going well.

But soccer can't raise, not even close. The combined league of Ireland attendance for a fortnight would fit in a Croke Park.

It's public interest that allows the GAA to build 30k stadia. It's through an ethos of investing money and time into community-focused sport that generates such a public interest.

I'm a huge soccer fan. But it's a problem child compared to the GAA. There's no guarantee that 30m would be spent perfectly in the GAA, only that it would be spent immeasurably better than in any other sport. The history is there to prove this.

Im not arguing that the GAA works well in the main. But there is a legitimate argument that if soccer (or rugby) got the state funding Gaelic games got they would have the same facilities. Its a chicken and egg argument - do good facilities increase crowds or crowds lead to good facilties.

And its absurd to suggest other sports arent community focused.

But we are where we are. Turners cross is a tidy stadium that works for who plays there. I cant see a business plan for the FAI or cork soccer to build a 30/40,000 seater venue, and seeing as some are still raising Tallaght, huge objections to state funding for it.

If they had said yes, Joe Duffy and the broadsheets woulfnt be putting pressure on politicians re rule 42.  Massive strategic gobshytery

I'm not disagreeing entirely with you Baile Brogin, as there are some genuinely Neanderthal hypocrites attached to the GAA.

But give €30m to boxing or athletics and you're basically giving about a €5,000 grant per half serious competitior in each sport.

It's more like €2 per competitor in GAA. And that before you begin gauging public interest.

Soccer could take that line and raise you...

This is the main problem i have with the hierarchy. Say yes and they are the good guys. Say no and there is a national debate about state funding and rule 42. And its not going well.

There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.

Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.

The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.

And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.

The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.

For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.

Thats fine until the GAA accept 30m with a very clear string attached explicitly for this scenario.

30m is loose change considering what the GAA does up and down the country. You seem to overlook that every time you stick the knife in.

Who is putting the knife in?

30m is still huge and would be a gamechanger to other sports, who also do great work. Ingratutude is the wrong approach imo. Especially considering this exact scenario was clearly flagged.

I haven't seen you post on anything else but this Liam Miller topic. The GAA do trojan work across Ireland and further a field. The Gob should be giving them 300m every year never mind 30m.
You're using this old tactic of they got money so now they must do x,y,z. The GAA should tell Gov what they won't do if they don't get the money. See the face on people then.
Get over it, they do unreal work and all you're doing is hammering them on this.

Im hammering a stone age attitude that is harming the GAA. The world has changed, rule 42 has had its day and funding conditions have changed.

But there is a viciousness here that other sports also dont do good and dont deserve funding. Other sports have a gripe with how much the GAA get, for right or wrong. Imagine what boxing or athletics  could do with 30m...

Boxing? Sure isn't it run by drug gangs now? They've enough money Paul. Write an article on that.
The GAA changes lives everyday. They make great use of the funding they receive and raise as well. Change takes time. The GAA will get there.

All sport changes lives everyday.  I really thought we moved on from this attitude a couple of generations ago.

There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.

Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.

The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.

And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.

The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.

For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.

Thats fine until the GAA accept 30m with a very clear string attached explicitly for this scenario.

30m is loose change considering what the GAA does up and down the country. You seem to overlook that every time you stick the knife in.

Who is putting the knife in?

30m is still huge and would be a gamechanger to other sports, who also do great work. Ingratutude is the wrong approach imo. Especially considering this exact scenario was clearly flagged.

I haven't seen you post on anything else but this Liam Miller topic. The GAA do trojan work across Ireland and further a field. The Gob should be giving them 300m every year never mind 30m.
You're using this old tactic of they got money so now they must do x,y,z. The GAA should tell Gov what they won't do if they don't get the money. See the face on people then.
Get over it, they do unreal work and all you're doing is hammering them on this.

Im hammering a stone age attitude that is harming the GAA. The world has changed, rule 42 has had its day and funding conditions have changed.

But there is a viciousness here that other sports also dont do good and dont deserve funding. Other sports have a gripe with how much the GAA get, for right or wrong. Imagine what boxing or athletics  could do with 30m...

There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.

Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.

The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.

And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.

The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.

For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.

Thats fine until the GAA accept 30m with a very clear string attached explicitly for this scenario.

30m is loose change considering what the GAA does up and down the country. You seem to overlook that every time you stick the knife in.

Who is putting the knife in?

30m is still huge and would be a gamechanger to other sports, who also do great work. Ingratutude is the wrong approach imo. Especially considering this exact scenario was clearly flagged.

Was the famous 30M not in relation to the Rugby World Cup that Dick Spring and the IRFU botched?

How's the multi sports usage of Tallaght Stadium going these days Paul? Or the Aviva for that matter?

Initially, then the EU got involved.

A quick look at the Tallaght Stadium website, soccer, rugby, rugby league, Gaelic football, hurling, American football, archery and community games. Not following you here.

There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.

Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.

The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.

And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.

The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.

For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.

Thats fine until the GAA accept 30m with a very clear string attached explicitly for this scenario.

30m is loose change considering what the GAA does up and down the country. You seem to overlook that every time you stick the knife in.

Who is putting the knife in?

30m is still huge and would be a gamechanger to other sports, who also do great work. Ingratutude is the wrong approach imo. Especially considering this exact scenario was clearly flagged.

[and P to make it worth our while]

There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.

Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.

The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.

And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.

The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.

For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.

Thats fine until the GAA accept 30m with a very clear string attached explicitly for this scenario.

It's only very clear if it's the note you want to hear.

Regardless, the point still stands. If Cork County Board can produce a pamphlet that roughly says, PuC costs X annually to run without events, and each event costs between Y and Z in terms of insurance, maintenance, staffing, etc., so therefore we need N to cover the event at cost price, and P to make it worth our while, then I'd be very surprised.

But if they could, it changes the dimension of it all, as only events that can generate 20k+ attendances would consider approaching them.

Its a note you really hope the GAA heard.

I hope you mean that in the general and not about the fundraiser in question.