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[it would set a precident]

I do really feel sorry for the Louth players. They have been very hard done by but I dont think there should be a replay. For one, it would set a precident for every match that involves a controversial decision to be replayed, but a second point to note is that Louth were given many very dubious frees during the match with resulted in or led to scores for Louth. Im a firm believer that these decisions tend to even themselves out over the course of a match and i believe thats whats happened today.

And look at the mess that championship was. Has there been any in recent memory where a referee's decision re: a score was later overturned?
Can we end this particular spurious argument once and for all? All Irelands used to be decided by committee decades ago. The precedent has already been set for this therefore this game wouldn't set a precedent.

Do you not want the game awarded to Louth? Is there a precedent for that?

Many many precedents.

Read about the 1925 Championship.

[it would set a precident]

I do really feel sorry for the Louth players. They have been very hard done by but I dont think there should be a replay. For one, it would set a precident for every match that involves a controversial decision to be replayed, but a second point to note is that Louth were given many very dubious frees during the match with resulted in or led to scores for Louth. Im a firm believer that these decisions tend to even themselves out over the course of a match and i believe thats whats happened today.

Can we end this particular spurious argument once and for all? All Irelands used to be decided by committee decades ago. The precedent has already been set for this therefore this game wouldn't set a precedent.

Do you not want the game awarded to Louth? Is there a precedent for that?

I do really feel sorry for the Louth players. They have been very hard done by but I dont think there should be a replay. For one, it would set a precident for every match that involves a controversial decision to be replayed, but a second point to note is that Louth were given many very dubious frees during the match with resulted in or led to scores for Louth. Im a firm believer that these decisions tend to even themselves out over the course of a match and i believe thats whats happened today.

Correct and that is the nub of the problem, regardless of how outraged people are by this you just know that this would be used in less clear cut cases to force replays or matches being awarded.

[You dont' care about reasons,]

You said the above in the context of the cup being awarded to Louth after the fact. You dont' care about reasons, just give them the cup then & see the consequences further down the line when other contentious situations arise.

Can you not just make your own point without trying to put words in my mouth?

If Meath win based on that goal then the game has no integrity. Is it so difficult for you that that is my opinion?

Exactly how I am trying to put words in your mouth? I asked you what should happen now, should the cup be given to Louth, you said yes. So where's the mechanism for doing this or are you just content to keep moralising about integrity.

'You don't care about reasons' is putting words in my mouth. I never said that.

There are lots of precedents as I and others have already pointed out.

Soccer has done nothing to address its integrity issues and we have ended up with the diving and rolling around that we all hate. Rugby has at least tried to address its integrity issues and the Gaa would be wise to follow suit.

Muppet enought already it's time to watch the Sunday Game

[You dont' care about reasons,]

You said the above in the context of the cup being awarded to Louth after the fact. You dont' care about reasons, just give them the cup then & see the consequences further down the line when other contentious situations arise.

Can you not just make your own point without trying to put words in my mouth?

If Meath win based on that goal then the game has no integrity. Is it so difficult for you that that is my opinion?

Exactly how I am trying to put words in your mouth? I asked you what should happen now, should the cup be given to Louth, you said yes. So where's the mechanism for doing this or are you just content to keep moralising about integrity.

[resolving it is a different issue]

Explain where & how in the rules the awarding of a match to another team as a result of a bad decision by a referee can come about?

According to the rules you're not allowed to throw the ball or carry it in to the net but that went out the window today.

Correct but where's the rule to change a result?

I detest straw man arguments.

Louth were cheated.

Well tough, no one's disputing the manner of the defeat, resolving it is a different issue.

You have (indirectly) been advocating doing nothing to resolve it.

What's your resolution give the cup to Louth?

If the game had any integrity that is what would happen.

Precedent 1989 Connacht Minor Final. Roscommon (Cake Curran) scored a goal from the penalty spot that the referee disallowed. Roscommon ignored/didn't notice that the ref had disallowed the goal and were presented with the cup.

After much back room diplomacy (Galway were looking for support in the Tony Keady affair) Galway offered a replay which Roscommon won. No bad taste left for anyone, unlike this situation.

So the game itself lacks integrity because it has no mechanism for altering a result? You know quite well there are good reasons for not revisiting decisions that affect the outcome of a game, this is the same in most sports not just the GAA.

Another man putting words in my mouth.

The game lacks integrity because one the game was won by the awarding of a goal that never happened. I really don't care about the head in the sand 'good reasons', a terrible injustice was inflicted today.

You said the above in the context of the cup being awarded to Louth after the fact. You dont' care about reasons, just give them the cup then & see the consequences further down the line when other contentious situations arise.

[resolving it is a different issue]

Explain where & how in the rules the awarding of a match to another team as a result of a bad decision by a referee can come about?

According to the rules you're not allowed to throw the ball or carry it in to the net but that went out the window today.

Correct but where's the rule to change a result?

I detest straw man arguments.

Louth were cheated.

Well tough, no one's disputing the manner of the defeat, resolving it is a different issue.

You have (indirectly) been advocating doing nothing to resolve it.

What's your resolution give the cup to Louth?

If the game had any integrity that is what would happen.

Precedent 1989 Connacht Minor Final. Roscommon (Cake Curran) scored a goal from the penalty spot that the referee disallowed. Roscommon ignored/didn't notice that the ref had disallowed the goal and were presented with the cup.

After much back room diplomacy (Galway were looking for support in the Tony Keady affair) Galway offered a replay which Roscommon won. No bad taste left for anyone, unlike this situation.

So the game itself lacks integrity because it has no mechanism for altering a result? You know quite well there are good reasons for not revisiting decisions that affect the outcome of a game, this is the same in most sports not just the GAA.

[resolving it is a different issue]

Explain where & how in the rules the awarding of a match to another team as a result of a bad decision by a referee can come about?

According to the rules you're not allowed to throw the ball or carry it in to the net but that went out the window today.

Correct but where's the rule to change a result?

I detest straw man arguments.

Louth were cheated.

Well tough, no one's disputing the manner of the defeat, resolving it is a different issue.

You have (indirectly) been advocating doing nothing to resolve it.

What's your resolution give the cup to Louth?

Explain where & how in the rules the awarding of a match to another team as a result of a bad decision by a referee can come about?

According to the rules you're not allowed to throw the ball or carry it in to the net but that went out the window today.

Correct but where's the rule to change a result?

I detest straw man arguments.

Louth were cheated.

Well tough, no one's disputing the manner of the defeat, resolving it is a different issue.

Explain where & how in the rules the awarding of a match to another team as a result of a bad decision by a referee can come about?

According to the rules you're not allowed to throw the ball or carry it in to the net but that went out the window today.

Correct but where's the rule to change a result?

[Why, just because this one is more blatant]

What exactly do people want the GAA to do here. Give a replay? Is that justice given that Louth had won the game. Rescind the decision by the referee and hand the game to Louth? Either way where will that leave us with respect to decisions re: dubious late frees etc where matches are drawn or won.

Dubious late frees are completely different to the sheer incompetence (I'll stop short of accusing him of cheating) that we seen today.

Why, just because this one is more blatant? Results can be adversely affected in either case & we've seen numerous examples of this down through the years.

This is worse simply because it is quite obviously wrong. There is no debate (other than from Joe Sheridan who I just saw on the news and is going down in my estimation).

You are talking about dubious frees which sound to me to be subjective and open to interpretation. You are then at the mercy of the referee's interpretation as it should be. In this case there is no other interpretation. There isn't a single post on this thread saying it was a goal.

There have been frees that have been given that are clearly & unequivocally wrong. What you are advocating, that the game should be awarded to Louth? That's a dangerous precedent.

And standing over injustice isn't?

Explain where & how in the rules the awarding of a match to another team as a result of a bad decision by a referee can come about?

[Why, just because this one is more blatant]

What exactly do people want the GAA to do here. Give a replay? Is that justice given that Louth had won the game. Rescind the decision by the referee and hand the game to Louth? Either way where will that leave us with respect to decisions re: dubious late frees etc where matches are drawn or won.

Dubious late frees are completely different to the sheer incompetence (I'll stop short of accusing him of cheating) that we seen today.

Why, just because this one is more blatant? Results can be adversely affected in either case & we've seen numerous examples of this down through the years.

This is worse simply because it is quite obviously wrong. There is no debate (other than from Joe Sheridan who I just saw on the news and is going down in my estimation).

You are talking about dubious frees which sound to me to be subjective and open to interpretation. You are then at the mercy of the referee's interpretation as it should be. In this case there is no other interpretation. There isn't a single post on this thread saying it was a goal.

There have been frees that have been given that are clearly & unequivocally wrong. What you are advocating, that the game should be awarded to Louth? That's a dangerous precedent.

What exactly do people want the GAA to do here. Give a replay? Is that justice given that Louth had won the game. Rescind the decision by the referee and hand the game to Louth? Either way where will that leave us with respect to decisions re: dubious late frees etc where matches are drawn or won.

Dubious late frees are completely different to the sheer incompetence (I'll stop short of accusing him of cheating) that we seen today.

Why, just because this one is more blatant? Results can be adversely affected in either case & we've seen numerous examples of this down through the years.

What exactly do people want the GAA to do here. Give a replay? Is that justice given that Louth had won the game. Rescind the decision by the referee and hand the game to Louth? Either way where will that leave us with respect to decisions re: dubious late frees etc where matches are drawn or won.

Shocking decision but in fairness I thought the ref sided with Louth all day. Meath actually did come back well & they should've hammered that last chance to the net first time round. There's no point looking for conspiracies it was just a brutal decision, I think part of the problem is that some of these refs are having a problem keeping up with the play.