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See post below copied from Hoganstand website - Interesting!

I think credit has to go to the County board in relation to the ACL this year, however, there are still a couple of amendments that should be made.
Positives:
13 League games played to date - August
Only 4 games played without county players - max of 5 if Tyrone had progressed to All-Ireland final
Minimum 4 league games played in July and August per club compared to 1 last year

Negitives:
Starred games have not always been equal e.g. Kildress (0 county player) v Moy (4 county players).

I would propose a similar system next year, but with a maximum of 4 starred games. There should also be 3 mini leagues in Div 1 for starred games. If the same teams were in Div 1 next yr, starred games should involve the following clubs playing each other as follows:

Group A - 0 County Men
Clonoe
Galbally
Coalisland
Kildress
Eglish

Group B - 1 County Man
L'macrory
Carmen
Donaghmore
Trillick
Aghyarn

Group B - 2-4 County Men
Errigal
Ardboe
Omagh
Moy
Dromore
Killyclogher

What do people think?

I think the suggestion has a lot of merit. Kildress v Moy is but one example of the gross unfairness of the current starred game scheme. If Moy had not got their great start to the League with a full hand they would be in trouble,

Is this not a club football thread? Yes it is so can we get on about talking about the club championship as Tyrone are gone!

In your question about Ciaran McGinley. No i dont think he is anywhere near county standard, he can score but all he does is run about demanding the ball. He himself thinks he should be on the panel but he himself alone thinks that.

OK then let's get back to talking about Greencastle like we did for the last fortnight

agreed Orange dude... they romped through Ulster and did get to an all irealnd semi-final to lose to a good Cork team who I think will win the All Ireland. reminds me of reaction when won Ulster in 2007 and then end of road after well beaten by Meath. we all know what happened the following yaer...it aint over...

Don't think anybody has said that we are a bad team - we just weren't good enough on the day and Mickey has to take some of the blame eg starting Ricey on Pearse O'Neill: J McMahon on Canty and T Mcguigan a player clearly low on confidence (and I could go on).

I'd be interested if anybody could name a Tyrone player (apart from Stevie O'Neill) who got the better of his Cork counterpart on Sunday.
As for last year - we struggled against Westmeath and Mayo were unlucky not to get a draw and who will forget the way Kerry tore us apart in the first half of the NFL in Omagh. So while we might not have been bigger last year - we were a wee bit luckier - but I'm taking nothing away from an excellent team.
As for the size issue - players such as McCullagh, Magee, G Devlin, Swift and Carlin will (imo) always struggle against a big physical team.

players that should be given a run in McKenna Cup


Gavin Teague Ardboe
Kyle Coney Ardboe
Gary Reilly Killeeshill
shane Mulgrew Donaghmore
Niall McKenna Donaghmore
Ciaran McCrory Galbally
Michael Murphy Galbally
Ciaran McGinley Errigal Ciaran
Peter Harte Errigal Ciaran
Mark Donnelly Carrickmore
Matthew Donnelly Trillick

these are the players that we need involved in order to strengthen the squad
as far as im concerned nat a big pile else ready to come through peter harte is on the list is maybe a year or so too early just let him keep playing for his club but put him on weights and training programmes.given him full member status could ruin him if nat getting football like ray mulgrew

Do men grow bigger in Cork or is it a deliberate Counihan decision to select big men and shape them into a football team. Should Mickey change his selection criteria to include "size" as a pre-requisite? There are plenty of big men around.

Mickey has proved us wrong time and time again. Simple as that.

Reminder of exchanges in July when Cavanagh described Tyrone Management as "Jekyll and Hyde"

Has Mickey's loyalty to the "auld hands" cost us against Cork? - thought that Gormley, Jordan, Harte and the entire half forward line were absolutely brutal - time for fairly major surgery I fear.

Think you are being very unfair here. These guys Dooher, Jordan, Harte etc have put in some major performances for Tyrone and are the reason we have achieved so much. To turn around and say they cost us would be very short sighted. Yes they didn't have their best game in a Tyrone shirt but at the same time it doesn't make them bad players. We need to remember where this same group of guys have taken us from.

Don't be tempted to throw the baby out with the bath water. On reflection we were beaten by Cork the team likely to win the AI so perhaps some tinkering but major surgery is completely OTT.

I never said that they were bad players and we all remember where we have come from (too well) but players can't go on forever and others can hit a lean spell. A good manager (and Mickey is the best) should not select players who are suffering a loss of form.  And please remember that the entire half forward line was replaced yesterday. Enough said I think.

A few points;
I never said that you said they were bad players.

Yes some players had a bad day, I'm not disputing that. The half forward line in particular struggled.

As you say MH is the best around, if this is the case then your assessment in that he was loyal to the "auld hands" is way off. In calling for "major surgery" I think it's a little bit akin to last year and people calling for Harte to go.

I think a few players will knock it on the head and Harte may unearth some new talent, but by and large the players we have are capable of challenging for and winning an AI.

What did you think of our half back line?

Has Mickey's loyalty to the "auld hands" cost us against Cork? - thought that Gormley, Jordan, Harte and the entire half forward line were absolutely brutal - time for fairly major surgery I fear.

Think you are being very unfair here. These guys Dooher, Jordan, Harte etc have put in some major performances for Tyrone and are the reason we have achieved so much. To turn around and say they cost us would be very short sighted. Yes they didn't have their best game in a Tyrone shirt but at the same time it doesn't make them bad players. We need to remember where this same group of guys have taken us from.

Don't be tempted to throw the baby out with the bath water. On reflection we were beaten by Cork the team likely to win the AI so perhaps some tinkering but major surgery is completely OTT.

I never said that they were bad players and we all remember where we have come from (too well) but players can't go on forever and others can hit a lean spell. A good manager (and Mickey is the best) should not select players who are suffering a loss of form.  And please remember that the entire half forward line was replaced yesterday. Enough said I think.

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Time for Kyle Coney and Niall mc kenna to enter the fray.
and Squad members like Aidan Cassidy and Sean O'Neill to be broken into the side who both came on and were the positives in a lack luster performance today, although in the aftermath we can over-react all little by this defeat i dont think its as bad as people are saying wer still one of the top 3 teams in Ireland. maybe on another day another ref things coulda been different

Just watched The Sunday Game and we were definitely as bad as people are saying. Thought the Ref was bad but no way did he cost us the game - we just couldn't cope with Cork's speed and strength. Unfortunately.

Has Mickey's loyalty to the "auld hands" cost us against Cork? - thought that Gormley, Jordan, Harte and the entire half forward line were absolutely brutal - time for fairly major surgery I fear.

If viiv is correct then Coalisland are going to be pretty busy around 2pm on Sunday 30 August.

Well done to Eskra minors on winning grade 3 Minor Championship on Wenesday night against Drumragh.  Got over a nervy start to win well in the end, and played some good football in second half.

Were any of yous at the other minor finals, was the anthem played, or PA system in operation to at least announce teams?  None of this in Trillick for this game which i found surprising.

No great surprise here - Grade 3 Minor Final would be a low key event in the greater scheme of things. Unless of course you were a grade 3 minor from Eskra or Drumragh.

What's the latest on the Div 1 Reserves  - have Errigal won the Championship?

Good away win for ArdBo last evening especially with McGuigans x 2; McConville; Campbell; McKeown and Cummings missing.
Kyle Coney very influential and looking good.

Clonoe won.

3rd final in 3 years for them.

Don't think that you've got this one quite right

Lads, were any of you aware of a  rule stating that county minors can not play in the reserve knockouts? I have heard that Carrickmore played a minor, who is no where near the senior squad, in the semi against Dromore last Friday and subsequentley been thrown out of the tournament and the player himself suspended for a month. Neither the club nor the player were aware of such rules. He came on as a sub in the closong minutes and touched the ball twice. Indeed it was his reserve debut. As a result he misses the minor league final tonight!

I am amazed that a club of Carrickmore's stature was not aware of the rule governing county minors palying reserve football.

Shea McGuigan played against the Moy and was the difference between the teams in round one

What was the score in that game? - if S McG was the difference he must be some player.