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Common denominator here. Leave Dublin alone but twist, bend and break the weaker counties.

Am I missing something?

Why split Dublin or in other words punish Dublin? Oh the population argument, 1.4 million males between the ages of 18-35 who play Gaelic footfall and senior club football.

When the inevitable happens with certain counties exiting the provisional and all Ireland championship, why not give them another bite of the cherry as a regional team? Gives some players a chance to enter the fray late into the championship and complete at the Q/F S/F and final stage. Similar to the Kerry model.

And no I'm not Pat Gilroy.

Because when you find yourself anywhere with a structural problem caused by the dominance of one entity in a group of 32, it makes more sense to address the problem by making changes to that entity than to the other 31.

If it is your opinion the problem is the Dublin Senior Footballers and not other factors. If you were splitting Dublin in 4 say, is it satisfactory to split the Hurling team too? possible having 3 to 4 div 2 and div 3 teams, only the other top 7 or 8 teams are allowed to compete for all irelands.

Population growth in Dublin is 400K a week on GAAbaords.

There are many changes could be made to competition structures BUT Dublin will still have 1.4m people and 39,000 players.
It's like having Manchester City in the Irish Soccer league.

[Earn your right to play at the top level. Play the provincials as a stand-alone competition.]

I often think the perfect solution for Intercounty season is one that's sitting right under its nose - the clubs structure of Senior/Intermediate/Junior.

Earn your right to play at the top level. Play the provincials as a stand-alone competition.

Not ideal maybe but current structure isn't working. Attendances falling  all the time and been masked by Super 8s which haven't worked. Competitiveness isn't getting any better in Leinster.

Offer real solutions, splitting Dublin is not a solution, its a cop out and would destroy Dublin GAA and perhaps the larger GAA as is for many reasons.
Finance, take away all the sponsorship deals you want, don't go after funding for underage though and children and Schools, another cop out.

I like the idea myself of amalgamations, lets explore this option. It works in Kerry.

Common denominator here. Leave Dublin alone but twist, bend and break the weaker counties.

Am I missing something?

Why split Dublin or in other words punish Dublin? Oh the population argument, 1.4 million males between the ages of 18-35 who play Gaelic footfall and senior club football.

When the inevitable happens with certain counties exiting the provisional and all Ireland championship, why not give them another bite of the cherry as a regional team? Gives some players a chance to enter the fray late into the championship and complete at the Q/F S/F and final stage. Similar to the Kerry model.

And no I'm not Pat Gilroy.

[GAA issue, which other county boards support]

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40222085.html

Brilliantly simple article , from a honest GAA man with a business head.
My problem is not with Dublin , it's with the GAA continuing to allow Dublin to have grossly unfair advantages.
Conway has focussed on population advantage but several other advantages , here's a top 10 fir starters :
1. The weighted provincial system minor u20 senior
2. Success breeds success, PR wise and belief wise
3. Access to best, most glamorous stadium
4. Accessibility to expertise( sporting and business)in the capital
5. Accessible best resources: abbotstown, universities.
6. Power base at top of GAA: Croke, Leinster , GPA
7. Attraction to team sponsors: market share, location in capital, winners
8. Player sponsorship deals
9. Player career development/business  opportunities
10. Player retention easier due to all above

Just kick Dublin out of the All ireland football championship, But not the hurling, or underage..... we just dont like to seem them winning. We want the days back in the noughties when we can laugh at them on the InTeRnEt


1. The weighted provincial system minor u20 senior - GAA issue, which other county boards support
2. Success breeds success, PR wise and belief wise - Agree
3. Access to best, most glamorous stadium - If you believe that, was never a problem pre 2011, but now it is. Agree most games should be neutral grounds.
4. Accessibility to expertise( sporting and business)in the capital - True, Not used though.
5. Accessible best resources: abbotstown, universities. Dont use Abbotstown, move GYM to Parnell park, Training pitch is innis fails in Kinsealy on the slanty pitch and cold showers.
6. Power base at top of GAA: Croke, Leinster , GPA - Recentley, Horan on way out, Flynn gone.
7. Attraction to team sponsors: market share, location in capital, winners - Agree
8. Player sponsorship deals - A handful, no more or less than Kerry, Mayo....
9. Player career development/business  opportunities - Agree, always been the case, but is it not the case in Kerry or Tyrone? would they see a player out of work. . . . . . Wake up
10. Player retention easier due to all above - Would need to see analysis and figures over the last 30 years, is this senior intercounty football only or across the board?.

Happy to discuss. A lot of the above is nothing new.

Offer real solutions, splitting Dublin is not a solution, its a cop out and would destroy Dublin GAA and perhaps the larger GAA as is for many reasons.
Finance, take away all the sponsorship deals you want, don't go after funding for underage though and children and Schools, another cop out.

I like the idea myself of amalgamations, lets explore this option. It works in Kerry. 

 

Amalgamations . . . . . . . . .. . . . That is the only solution, if you think it is a problem...

[Is this genuinely news?]

Was talking to a work colleague of mine today, Was a Crokes player but has moved out of Dublin a few years, was telling me that Crokes had/have a Minor e team! A fifth tier minor team! Wtf

Even before Dublins dominance he says they have 5,000 plus members!

Is this genuinely news? They have a cachement area bigger than many counties

I see no reason why it shouldn't be.
Remember the fuss last year when a proposal emerged to take over the Na Fianna pitch on Mobhi Road in order to build a Metro North rail station?
The chairman said at the time that their club premises were used by over 2,000 kids at weekends.
Going back to 2003 (?) when the Strategic Review Committee published its report, the claim was made that each of 5 Dublin clubs (including Crokes) fielded more juvenile payers than any of five counties, Sligo, Roscommon, Leitrim, Longford and Fermanagh.
A Skerries Harps committee member told me once that the club fielded a total of 77 teams.

Hearsay

Depends on what you mean by hearsay.
The chairman on Na Fianna at the time issued a statement that was reported by RTE News, amongst news outlets and was subsequently repeated by Paschal Donohoe, the Finance Minister, that's on the record too.

Id say that is close to accurate, across all ages and codes including camogie and ladies football. But this is nothing new, the Super club... The problem is keeping them all into adult games and most juveniles are playing multiple sports... etc.

Dublin's Paul Mannion not committing this year I believe.

A few gaps appearing for this year. A good few squad players are gone now. For me Mannion was a starter, played excellent when he came on in the final. Big loss.

Time to bring Archer into the frame and maybe Costello can hold down a starting birth.

MD McAuley joining the retired ranks.

1 word - Warrior

Glad you didn't use the word- Footballer

Former footballer of the year.

I wouldn't say it was his greatest gift but my view would be that was the best thing ever happened that Dublin team(probably moreso management team).

Agree.

Also to state, biggest failure, or travesty, not winning it in 2014. Blew it or?

IMO, his greatest gift was to Dublin, the 2014 defeat, it became ingrained in the Dublin psyche that it would never happen again for that crop of players and especially to Jim Gavin, the gung ho total football from the previous year was dispatched for a more rigid structure that laid the foundation of what history is today. 

Don't Davy sponsor the GPA?

Yes. But he works for axrivsl company

Who works for a rival company?

The person we were discussing

Who is? Dean Rock?

Dean Rock has started work with a subsidiary of Davy, not a rival.

What did he do before that? he is 30 now. Stewarts Care, a job he did with distinction.

What is his background in corporate investment?

Don't think working as a fundraiser for a NPO and a degree in sports science has any relevance to corporate investment.

Dubs defending the indefensible as usual.

What's the issue?  Who cares what he does or doesn't do. Its another insignificant gripe.

Gaaboard Dublin fairness rule #137: Dublin are not allowed win anything ever or have a good team, Winning is only allowed for the bogballers down the country.

Still my favorite thread.

Well I guess you don't care that Dublin are a de facto professional outfit while other teams have players with real jobs and long commutes to worry about.

The Unionist Dublin fan despises a level playing field.

GAABoard Dublin fairness rule #138 - Dublin players are not allowed work in their own city if they live there and if they do work in Dublin, they must live outside of Dublin so they can have a longer commute to training. This will significantly level the playing field with the likes of Leitrim and Offaly.

GAABoard Dublin fairness rule #139 - Label all Dublin natives and fans " Unionists " if they disagree with you or defend their own team, players and county even if the poster is from a working class republican background.

Don't Davy sponsor the GPA?

Yes. But he works for axrivsl company

Who works for a rival company?

The person we were discussing

Who is? Dean Rock?

Dean Rock has started work with a subsidiary of Davy, not a rival.

What did he do before that? he is 30 now. Stewarts Care, a job he did with distinction.

What is his background in corporate investment?

Don't think working as a fundraiser for a NPO and a degree in sports science has any relevance to corporate investment.

Dubs defending the indefensible as usual.

What's the issue?  Who cares what he does or doesn't do. Its another insignificant gripe.

Gaaboard Dublin fairness rule #137: Dublin are not allowed win anything ever or have a good team, Winning is only allowed for the bogballers down the country.

Still my favorite thread. 

Angelo has a very similar tone to Dublin's favorite Journalist Ewan McKenna, including personal insults.

Good on the lads getting cushy numbers, Jesus if only i could, they should enjoy it, best years of their lives, plenty of time after their careers are finished.

GAABoard Dublin fairness rule no 136: All Dublin players must work in a coal mine, 6 days a week, 12 hours a day. Underage development squads not excluded.

Ah the Unionist Dublin supporter.

The Jackeens from The Pale never change their spots.

good one. An you proved my point above

Don't Davy sponsor the GPA?

Yes. But he works for axrivsl company

Who works for a rival company?

The person we were discussing

Who is? Dean Rock?

Dean Rock has started work with a subsidiary of Davy, not a rival.

What did he do before that? he is 30 now. Stewarts Care, a job he did with distinction.