Ok guys :D :D not sure if anyone else has heard the rumor but I heard over the weekend that Stephen O'Neill might make a shock comeback to the team for the Final?? I thought he and Mickey Harte didn't get along so not sure of the truth in this rumour!! It was be great to have him on the team though on the 21st !! he was there when tyrone did it in '03 and '05 ! It is believed an approach was made by the management to ask him back out of retirement but he declined... but who knows what might happen....!!!
Also, what was the craic with putting Mugsy on the pitch for 2 minutes at the very end of the Tyrone Wexford match?? He isn't playing too good this season at all so i can't understand why they put him on at all !! :P
That rumour has been running all year and will continue to run until 5pm on Sunday 21st September.
SoN is NOT making a return visit to Tyrone, I repeat NOT.
ah but u never know !!! he's the younger version of Peter Canavan !! It will be an awful pity if he didn't come back and they won the title this year!! He would feel like he really missed out... but then again if you can't get along with the manager then that makes life a little tough doesnt it...... !!!
If SoN was to come back, outsides (Tony, etc.) will be saying that Tyrone can't win Sam without him. Mickey will want to prove the naysayers wrong.
For all his natural ability, would Stephen be up to the speed of All-Ireland Final football? How would you feel if you were dropped after geting the side there? I thought the Gaelic Life story was hilarious. He plays well for the Clanns and some bucko from Beragh reckons he may return.
Quote from: ziggysego on September 01, 2008, 10:46:40 PM
If SoN was to come back, outsides (Tony, etc.) will be saying that Tyrone can't win Sam without him. Mickey will want to prove the naysayers wrong.
If Mickey lands another AI, he won't give a crap about what anyone says, nor should he.
ach all the same it would be great to see him one last time on the field with the rest of the greats such as mulligan and dooher and cavanagh !! Speaking of Sean Cavanagh did you see the poor guy was in tears that he had to leave the pitch on Sunday due to injury??!! Poor lad !! ah sure he can make up for that on the 21st !!!
Your damn right if Harte wins another AI he won't care what anyone at all says !! Its the team working together not separate individuals!! I think its about time they won it! It is going to be tough against Kerry but we managed it before so we can manage it again! We have some of the original members who beat Kerry before so therefore have the knowledge and experience!! Fingers crossed Sam will be going up North this year.
He wouldn't get his place anyway......
Is Sean Cavanagh a feature of the new metrosexual male in the GAA?? Of course there were men who cried when put out of the championship but that's at least 2 occasions he's turned on the waterworks and Tyrone have still won the match. Is it now acceptable for Footballers to cry when things don't go their way? He'll be OK for the final apparently so I wonder what the big deal was!
gazza cavanagh
theres no london in tyrone ,looks like there are no real men either!
;)
Stephen is NOT coming back this week or next month - maybe not EVER !
Quote from: orangeman on September 02, 2008, 10:51:27 AM
Stephen is NOT coming back this week or next month - maybe not EVER !
I heard different, word is he is champing at the bit.
Quote from: man in black on September 02, 2008, 10:52:46 AM
I heard different, word is he is champing at the bit.
Champing? At the bit? Isn't that illegal?
Quote from: ONeill on September 02, 2008, 10:54:48 AM
Quote from: man in black on September 02, 2008, 10:52:46 AM
I heard different, word is he is champing at the bit.
Champing? At the bit? Isn't that illegal?
Maybe in Derryloughan
[Edit - never mind]
Former Tyrone All Star Stephen O'Neill believes that it will come down to who wants it more when Tyrone face Kerry in this year's All-Ireland SFC final.
The two last met in the September decider back in 2005 when O'Neill, who retired from inter-county football last January, was apart of the second ever Tyrone team to win an All-Ireland in an enthralling clash with the Kingdom, and he thinks it is going to be very tough for Mickey Harte's men to repeat that on September 21.
"It's going to be a very tough game. Kerry are going for three in-a-row and I suppose the team they'd want to beat would be Tyrone - to maybe confirm how good a team they are," said O'Neill.
"I think Tyrone will be all right, they are working very hard and everybody seems to be coming right at the right time. Both teams have had a lot of tough games, but I just don't think it comes down to the amount of games you play in a year. It's just on the day.
"There have been some freak results this year in the Championship. It will be down to who plays well on the day and I hope that will be Tyrone."
Meanwhile, O'Neill himself has ruled out any possibility of making a dramatic return to the Red Hands set-up for the final.
"The door is closed (to me). There will be no call at this stage, I think. The boys are doing well enough.
"I'm just too long out of it. I don't know if I would be able to manage that pace."
Clear enough ???
More chance of Shane O'Neill than Stephen O'Neill togging out on the 21st for Tyrone.
Quote from: ziggysego on September 02, 2008, 12:44:11 PM
More chance of Shane O'Neill than Stephen O'Neill togging out on the 21st for Tyrone.
Why do you say that?
The board's Shane I mean ;)
Quote from: ziggysego on September 02, 2008, 12:55:03 PM
The board's Shane I mean ;)
Very true!
By the way Ziggy you must have had an awful thirst on you on Sunday, was that you I saw ouside Quinns waiting to get in before 11 ;)
Quote from: loughshore lad on September 02, 2008, 01:02:57 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on September 02, 2008, 12:55:03 PM
The board's Shane I mean ;)
Very true!
By the way Ziggy you must have had an awful thirst on you on Sunday, was that you I saw ouside Quinns waiting to get in before 11 ;)
He was bursting for a pish, same as the rest of us ! ;D
I think this is a stupid pointless thread. Can't see O'Neill being asked back at all it would show a complete lack of respect to all the panel. He opted out at start of year, and I'm sure some would feel a bit aggrieved after all the hard work they put in all year. I also believe that even if for some reason he was to be asked back he would decline anyway for same reason!
Quote from: loughshore lad on September 02, 2008, 01:02:57 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on September 02, 2008, 12:55:03 PM
The board's Shane I mean ;)
Very true!
By the way Ziggy you must have had an awful thirst on you on Sunday, was that you I saw ouside Quinns waiting to get in before 11 ;)
Actually, yes that was me! :D
Big steps, so couldn't get in. :(
Quote from: ziggysego on September 02, 2008, 01:49:04 PM
Quote from: loughshore lad on September 02, 2008, 01:02:57 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on September 02, 2008, 12:55:03 PM
The board's Shane I mean ;)
Very true!
By the way Ziggy you must have had an awful thirst on you on Sunday, was that you I saw ouside Quinns waiting to get in before 11 ;)
Actually, yes that was me! :D
Big steps, so couldn't get in. :(
I spotted the Greencastle rain jacket so assumed it must have been you ;)
O'NEILLS AT LOGGERHEADS
Shane O'Neill has moved early to scotch rumours that he may tog out for Tyrone in this year's All-Ireland final against Kerry. The rumour began when a GAA messageboard scribe intimated that it would be more likely to see Shane rather than Stephen O'Neill line out against the Kingdom.
A rather perturbed Shane stated, 'I don't know where these rumours have come from. Empty vessels make the most noise. It's not a nice place to be. Sure I haven't recovered from the mauling by Sean Douglas in the 1991 Grade 3 U16 final. This is a testing time for my family but I urge them to stay strong and not to entertain the thought that I'll be running around Croke Park on the 21st with the asthma and all."
Stephen O'Neill refused to deny the rumour that Shane will start in his phantom place, confirming, 'Listen, i cannot speak for the man himself. I believe his last performance was for the Emeralds in Birmingham and that he was substituted after 55 mins. I'd doubt whether that is the sort of form that'll put the shits up Killian Young but fair play to him he he has kept himself in shape."
Ladbrokes have refused to lay odds on the possibility and O'Neill refused to answer who he thought would lose their place if he did return, choosing instead to buy a chip, pea, onion and gravy.
Quote from: filthylittlebeast on September 01, 2008, 10:52:32 PM
I think its about time they won it!
Its only been 3 years ffs.
Its official, you lot have been spoilt rotten lately! ;)
Quote from: ONeill on September 02, 2008, 01:56:04 PM
O'NEILLS AT LOGGERHEADS
I believe his last performance was for the Emeralds in Birmingham and that he was substituted after 55 mins.
is that when you got replaced by Maggie Roche?
Quote from: ONeill on September 02, 2008, 01:56:04 PM
O'NEILLS AT LOGGERHEADS
Shane O'Neill has moved early to scotch rumours that he may tog out for Tyrone in this year's All-Ireland final against Kerry. The rumour began when a GAA messageboard scribe intimated that it would be more likely to see Shane rather than Stephen O'Neill line out against the Kingdom.
A rather perturbed Shane stated, 'I don't know where these rumours have come from. Empty vessels make the most noise. It's not a nice place to be. Sure I haven't recovered from the mauling by Sean Douglas in the 1991 Grade 3 U16 final. This is a testing time for my family but I urge them to stay strong and not to entertain the thought that I'll be running around Croke Park on the 21st with the asthma and all."
Stephen O'Neill refused to deny the rumour that Shane will start in his phantom place, confirming, 'Listen, i cannot speak for the man himself. I believe his last performance was for the Emeralds in Birmingham and that he was substituted after 55 mins. I'd doubt whether that is the sort of form that'll put the shits up Killian Young but fair play to him he he has kept himself in shape."
Ladbrokes have refused to lay odds on the possibility and O'Neill refused to answer who he thought would lose their place if he did return, choosing instead to buy a chip, pea, onion and gravy.
Sean Douglas :D
He gave many a good one the run around!!
Quote from: loughshore lad on September 02, 2008, 01:50:58 PM
I spotted the Greencastle rain jacket so assumed it must have been you ;)
Have to show my club side off too loughshore ;) You should have said hello.
Quote from: maddog on September 02, 2008, 01:59:25 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 02, 2008, 01:56:04 PM
O'NEILLS AT LOGGERHEADS
I believe his last performance was for the Emeralds in Birmingham and that he was substituted after 55 mins.
is that when you got replaced by Maggie Roche?
The very one. Twas nepotism though.
Quote from: ONeill on September 02, 2008, 01:56:04 PM
A rather perturbed Shane stated, 'I don't know where these rumours have come from. Empty vessels make the most noise..
Mickey Harte made the EMPTY VESSELS jibe at those faithless whining Tyrone supporters in the wake of the Down defeat.
We all know Ziggy never gave up faith in those desperate days and his vessel was and is always full :)
You're darn tootin' I never lost the faith ;)
I just got word 10 minutes ago from one of the Tyrone players.
There was meeting held tonight with Management and Players and Stephen O'Neill is back on the Tyrone panel and will be eligable to play in the All-Ireland Final. He will also be back for the 2009 campaign too.
100% accurate news... SoN is back!!!!
lies
It's true Fred, trust me.
Everyone on this board knows I hate people putting news on the board unless it's fact. This is a FACT.
That's some scoop if it's true Ziggy, wow!
You made me come on to look at this?!!!!!!
Believe me Fear, he's back.
Ziggy - you seem very sure about this !
Just heard it as well!
I am sure. I wouldn't post it unless I'm sure.
This one first went around before the Dublin game. Maybe he has been training with them since before the game - but to be honest ziggy, once bitten twice shy. Ill play the doubting Thomas card for now.
could damage morale and create some resentment among the panel, not necessarily a good move at this point
We are shivering. Away and shite.
sure he'll hardly get a run out in the final anyway!
Quote from: Pangurban on September 03, 2008, 11:06:23 PM
could damage morale and create some resentment among the panel, not necessarily a good move at this point
Normally I'd agree, but from my sources, it was the players that wanted him back.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 03, 2008, 11:06:53 PM
We are shivering. Away and shite.
You already are, even without this news ! ;) ;)
Quote from: Pangurban on September 03, 2008, 11:06:23 PM
could damage morale and create some resentment among the panel, not necessarily a good move at this point
Au contraire, it will boost morale !
Had strong 'proof' he had been training with them away of the attention of the media but surprised they've taken this step so soon after denying it.
Heard the rumours that he was training with them for a few months too ONeill, but didn't blame it myself.
Quote from: ziggysego on September 01, 2008, 10:42:27 PM
That rumour has been running all year and will continue to run until 5pm on Sunday 21st September.
SoN is NOT making a return visit to Tyrone, I repeat NOT.
Quote from: ziggysego on September 01, 2008, 10:46:40 PM
If SoN was to come back, outsides (Tony, etc.) will be saying that Tyrone can't win Sam without him. Mickey will want to prove the naysayers wrong.
Quote from: ziggysego on September 02, 2008, 12:44:11 PM
More chance of Shane O'Neill than Stephen O'Neill togging out on the 21st for Tyrone.
Quote from: ziggysego on September 03, 2008, 10:58:01 PM
I just got word 10 minutes ago from one of the Tyrone players.
There was meeting held tonight with Management and Players and Stephen O'Neill is back on the Tyrone panel and will be eligable to play in the All-Ireland Final. He will also be back for the 2009 campaign too.
100% accurate news... SoN is back!!!!
We'll see
That rumour started around the mayo game time. I was sworn to that he would be on the bench for the dubs
Ziggy, one question for you
Whilst protecting your source - did you hear directly from a player, or did you hear from someone who heard from a player....
My mother just heard on the news...either the rumour's been confirmed or the newsreaders are pretty quick at reading this board and converting to their script.
This is some news alright !
Quote from: Down Gael on September 03, 2008, 11:11:11 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on September 01, 2008, 10:42:27 PM
That rumour has been running all year and will continue to run until 5pm on Sunday 21st September.
SoN is NOT making a return visit to Tyrone, I repeat NOT.
Quote from: ziggysego on September 01, 2008, 10:46:40 PM
If SoN was to come back, outsides (Tony, etc.) will be saying that Tyrone can't win Sam without him. Mickey will want to prove the naysayers wrong.
Quote from: ziggysego on September 02, 2008, 12:44:11 PM
More chance of Shane O'Neill than Stephen O'Neill togging out on the 21st for Tyrone.
I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. However, thank you for bringing it to my attention ;) Sorry
Quote from: Puckoon on September 03, 2008, 11:11:50 PM
That rumour started around the mayo game time. I was sworn to that he would be on the bench for the dubs
Ziggy, one question for you
Whilst protecting your source - did you hear directly from a player, or did you hear from someone who heard from a player....
From a player
maybe he can mark paul galvin.
Thats good of him. And all ye had to do was get to the final.
Roll on 21st !
its on Hogan as well
Surely you couldn't be up to speed. Is he there just as a token squad member, as wished by the squad?
Well if it was on the hoganstand, it MUST be true
Hogan ISN'T my source.
Id find it hard to believe that MH would let him train away - just incase we reached the final. If he was a wanted member of the squad - he'd have been there for the games with no guarantees - like dublin, mayo, wexford. No sense letting a man train away, just incase we reach the final.
Baffling. Intriguing.
Class !
You are getting very excited too orangeman - do you know anything?
QuoteSurely you couldn't be up to speed. Is he there just as a token squad member, as wished by the squad?
lol O'Neill! Good one!! Stevie O'Neill a token squad member!!
No - I don't know anything but I'm hoping it's true.
Cant see if he is back, who deserves to be dropped. The 6 forwards are flying at the moment.
Role as impact sub possibly, but having been away from this level for a while, not sure if hed be fully up to speed.
Ziggy this is either the scoop of the millenium or will be as famous as someone booking Citywest on the wrong date :o
Thats very good news indeed.
Whats all this up to speed. Hes fit and in the words of the great Jimmy Keavney " The goalposts never move"
Whhhooo hooooooo !
Quote from: Down Gael on September 03, 2008, 11:23:38 PM
Ziggy this is either the scoop of the millenium or will be as famous as someone booking Citywest on the wrong date :o
I'll stake my reputation on it. ;)
Quote from: Yes I Would on September 03, 2008, 11:22:50 PM
Cant see if he is back, who deserves to be dropped. The 6 forwards are flying at the moment.
Role as impact sub possibly, but having been away from this level for a while, not sure if hed be fully up to speed.
He'd scare the dung of an already porous Kerry defence.
We all know the rumours that were circulating about why Stevie left. I have a feeling that if there had been any other option, he'd never have left the panel. One party must have removed whatever obstacle was there and if it's true, I'm glad.
I'm sure the players are fully aware of the circumstances too and I'd guess Stevie O'Neill isn't the county player version of a Kerryman, only turning up for the final.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 03, 2008, 11:14:13 PM
Thats good of him. And all ye had to do was get to the final.
Just what I was thinking.
This story is 100% Correct. He's back.
Stevie won't be starting (if he is back), and he must have been training to the extreme if he'd be in shape to come on as an impact sub. Still, we'll take it!
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 03, 2008, 11:25:27 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 03, 2008, 11:14:13 PM
Thats good of him. And all ye had to do was get to the final.
Just what I was thinking.
Injuries.
Great player - if it is true, is it a great move by MH? It is only one game after all, and anything can happen - but this Tyrone team are doing so well, mulligan and mulgrew cant even get a look in. I realise we are talking about the 2005 player of the year, a special special talent, but has he the form right now?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 03, 2008, 11:26:03 PM
Stevie won't be starting (if he is back), and he must have been training to the extreme if he'd be in shape to come on as an impact sub. Still, we'll take it!
Sure didn't he score 0-4 in the Frank O'Neill cup final the other week for the Clanns??? :P
Class act !
Surprised to say the least! You would just never know whats going through Hartes head! It will be very interesting indeed, i am sure there will be a few interested Kerry men when they hear about it!
Brilliant ;D
Tip your collective hats to Zig. He might look like the joker but he speaks the truth!!
Quote from: Rois on September 03, 2008, 11:27:55 PM
Sure didn't he score 0-4 in the Frank O'Neill cup final the other week for the Clanns??? :P
What would Art say? I'll give you a call when Kerry play in the Frank O'Neill Cup!
Quote from: Rois on September 03, 2008, 11:27:55 PM
Sure didn't he score 0-4 in the Frank O'Neill cup final the other week for the Clanns??? :P
Yes, and was MOTM, but DIV II to AI Final?!
Prehaps SoN can do a Canavan and come on in the final 10mins of the final, giving the rest of the players an extra boost to take them over the finish line and claim a 3rd All-Ireland. ;)
Well if it is true, that still leaves the 64,000$ question......
Hows is his beard coming along?
Not sure how to take this (if indeed its true). Would have been delighted to have SON back on board at pretty much any point of the season but to come back onto the panel just before the AI Final after rejecting many overtures before now...not convinced thats the best idea. He certainly shouldnt start but I suppose we could send him on if we get a penalty :P.
The media spin will be interesting.
Disrupting the balance Vs a masterstroke...
I'll run naked from Gortin to Plumbridge if O'Neill starts.
Hows everbody elses beard coming on!
Feck their beards - wheres the confirmation that we are interested in Stevies beard!
Fastest...thread.....ever
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 03, 2008, 11:29:59 PM
Yes, and was MOTM, but DIV II to AI Final?!
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Tongue was firmly in cheek.
Quote from: ONeill on September 03, 2008, 11:31:35 PM
I'll run naked from Gortin to Plumbridge if O'Neill starts.
Ah jeez O'Neill that's a quiet road through the hills. Pick a busier road, or run from Plumbridge to Aughabrack, Stevie might come out and wave at you then.
Quote from: hoopsaaa on September 03, 2008, 11:32:12 PM
Hows everbody elses beard coming on!
Mine is coming along nicely
Quote from: hoopsaaa on September 03, 2008, 11:32:12 PM
Hows everbody elses beard coming on!
Fully grown catching up with Big Joe!! Have my own Final this week so going to keep it to then! ;D
Sensational development. Didnt see it coming at this stage but assume some of the earlier rumours about him training with team were true. The media will love this.
Im laying 4-1 against the board crashing just as an official announcement is made.
Quote from: hoopsaaa on September 03, 2008, 11:32:12 PM
Hows everbody elses beard coming on!
Started growing it last week, but come yesterday I was sick of it and shaved it off.
He has been training for a few weeks and the players had the final say whether or not they wanted him back
Quote from: hoopsaaa on September 03, 2008, 11:32:12 PM
Hows everbody elses beard coming on!
Late starter (since Sunday), but will leave it there till the 22nd!
Quote from: maggie on September 03, 2008, 11:36:34 PM
He has been training for a few weeks and the players had the final say whether or not they wanted him back
That's the critical part, and that's why the effect on morale can only be positive.
This can only be a positive development !
Quote from: maggie on September 03, 2008, 11:36:34 PM
He has been training for a few weeks and the players had the final say whether or not they wanted him back
Well I was told something similar. Came down to the players and they all wanted him back.
Better start getting into shape myself tomorrow. Run down the stairs, run to the grill.
ZZ Top were apparently asked to play back up but declined.......
This is amazing news, but I am a wee bit worried about how unsettling it might be. And what pressure it puts on Stevie!
But geez that's hard to believe!
I need to phone Aodhan Harkin to get another Tinney made, and a jersey!
Ziggy- Can I nominate your good self for scoop of the year?
Quote from: maggie on September 03, 2008, 11:44:33 PM
Ziggy- Can I nominate your good self for scoop of the year?
What do I get? ;D
How many times has this man stood up to the plate for Tyrone over the years, from minor right through to Senior! This man will not be found wanting if called upon in the final! Someone mentions pressure, this man thrives on it :)
Another Mickey maestro move. Puts to bed alll the bullsh*t about he and Harte falling out. Give the lad a marriage break and *IF* we get to the AIF bring him onto the squad.
Forget the unsettling negative bull-talk, Mickey lets the players decide, another managerial master stroke. Errigal Ciaran will be the Mecca of World GAA Football! :P
Quote from: AFS on September 03, 2008, 11:46:24 PM
There has to be a downside to this regardless of what is said.
You can hope ;)
I reckon, since he's been back training for a few weeks, it's been the players' doing all along, with the agreement of MH, and therefore it's not like that they'll be suddenly put out by this, since they will all have seen it coming from a long way off. Such was the scenario I'd say, that the plan was for Stevie to train but play no part in either the Quarter or Semi, then to see where they were then. And that place is now.
Do you think I can into the hotel after the game now?
Kudos Frank, you beauty!
Quote from: ziggysego on September 03, 2008, 11:51:59 PM
Do you think I can into the hotel after the game now?
If you win the award, u mite be able to
QuoteBottom line is that if SON takes any part in the final, either as a starter or a sub, he will be denying the opportunity for one guy who has been there for the whole slog to represent his county on AI final day. If I was that guy, and there'll be a couple of lads who'll know at this stage that they could potentially be that guy, I wouldn't be as ecstatic about this news.
Then AFS you'd still be wet behind the ears. The man who steps down will be more than happy to make way for a player like Stephen
More than anything the new lads want an AI medal, and they know that Stevie can help them get it, whether he starts or comes on and chips in with a few points or assists. O'Neill!
As one of the best forwards the country has ever seen the Tyrone squad recognise his undoubted class and contribution even if you may not!
Never mind getting into the hotel - you might get the kinda "Tyrone Double" that Benny Tierney was talking about on RTE last week for this sort of good news ;D
As an outsider can I ask one question.
If Tyrone win and O'Neill gets a medal surely he is elbowing some gom that has trained his nads off for the past 9 months. Isn't there a limit on the number of medals.
Is this right?
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on September 04, 2008, 12:04:13 AM
As an outsider can I ask one question.
If Tyrone win and O'Neill gets a medal surely he is elbowing some gom that has trained his nads off for the past 9 months. Isn't there a limit on the number of medals.
Is this right?
I actually don't know what the story is. As far as I know there are 30 medals given to the county, but there definitely was 31 on the panel in 03 and I'm sure there was over 30 in 05 as well. There are 31 on it currently so I don't know. In fairness though, there must be 32 on the Kerry panel at the moment because there was 30 named on Sunday and you have Galvin and Dara to come back in as well
QuoteIn a panel of 30/31 different guys I'd be very surprised if they all had the exact same opinions on this issue.
I wouldn't
It was put to the panel and they had the final say. Every single player wanted him back. No ifs, not buts.
Quote from: ziggysego on September 04, 2008, 12:13:12 AM
It was put to the panel and they had the final say. Every single player wanted him back. No ifs, not buts.
No maybes, Total faith.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on September 03, 2008, 11:31:18 PM
Not sure how to take this (if indeed its true). Would have been delighted to have SON back on board at pretty much any point of the season but to come back onto the panel just before the AI Final after rejecting many overtures before now...not convinced thats the best idea. He certainly shouldnt start but I suppose we could send him on if we get a penalty :P.
Zico tried that in the 86 World Cup, within a minute of coming on he missed a penno.
Sure isn't isn't it a bit of excitement, even if he never touches leather.
100 posts in 104 minutes :o
As O'Neill said earlier quickest thread ever!
Quote from: ziggysego on September 03, 2008, 11:39:30 PM
Quote from: maggie on September 03, 2008, 11:36:34 PM
He has been training for a few weeks and the players had the final say whether or not they wanted him back
Well I was told something similar. Came down to the players and they all wanted him back.
was it a secret ballot or did they all have to put their hands up in front of him? Did you ever clarify Ziggy whether or not this was directly from a player, or from someone who was told by a player? If true, I think it can only be bad for Tyrone, they've been playing brilliant stuff without him and whilst an undoubted talent, it can't be good for morale, somebody's going to miss out on a medal (or one of them wee wooden losers things that Joe Kernan treasures).
Have heard it myself directly from a player in the squad - Stephen O'Neill is 100% back in the panel absolutely no doubt about it!
DIRECTLY from a player! Why is everyone keep asking me that?
Quote from: ziggysego on September 04, 2008, 12:41:05 AM
DIRECTLY from a player! Why is everyone keep asking me that?
Because the masses shall be sceptical until they hear it from either from the beard or Stevie himself
Can I laugh at the Doubting Thomases tomorrow?
Yis are like little kids at Christmas Eve that can't wait for the morning. GET UP TO YOUR BEDS!!
Quote from: Jinxy on September 04, 2008, 12:58:02 AM
Yis are like little kids at Christmas Eve that can't wait for the morning. GET UP TO YOUR BEDS!!
Waiting for the man with the beard to give us our present :D
Stevie, Mugsy, Mulgrew, C. Cavanagh, Penrose/McGuigan, Gormley and Shaun O'Neill aren't a bad locka forwards to hav on the bench on all-ireland day
Strange one this, I didn't think O'Neill would be the type to come in at the last minute. Will wait until we hear more, I think we are doing well as it is, maybe this is just a cunning distraction tactic to take media pressure of the other players??
I'm absolutely flummoxed reading this!!! There are so many different ways to look at it. What amazes me is that he has been obviously back training for a few weeks and word hasn't got out. Ye Tyrone boys obviously know how to keep a secret!!
How up to the pace he is remains to be seen but here mere presence alone is a boost for Tyrone and, as tyssam05 says, it takes a helluva lot of pressure of the other players.
If Mayo made it to the final this year would McDonald be brought back? I doubt it but sin sceal eile
Christ almighty - the possibilities. Big Sean back out to midfield, Stephen straight in at 14. Big Sean and Stephen and Tommy in a 3 man full forward line with McCullagh and McGuigan feeding them ball all day. Big Joe in midfield. Stephen and Mulligan warming up along the sideline.
If this is true - I've a feeling Big Sean will be not fit to play
8 pages in a an hour !
Quote from: Rois on September 03, 2008, 11:27:55 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 03, 2008, 11:26:03 PM
Stevie won't be starting (if he is back), and he must have been training to the extreme if he'd be in shape to come on as an impact sub. Still, we'll take it!
Sure didn't he score 0-4 in the Frank O'Neill cup final the other week for the Clanns??? :P
lol funniest post on the board ever.
Quote from: ONeill on September 03, 2008, 11:29:40 PM
Quote from: Rois on September 03, 2008, 11:27:55 PM
Sure didn't he score 0-4 in the Frank O'Neill cup final the other week for the Clanns??? :P
What would Art say? I'll give you a call when Kerry play in the Frank O'Neill Cup!
lol I was gonna reply with the exact same thing. Art's a tara man for the great spakes.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on September 04, 2008, 12:04:13 AM
As an outsider can I ask one question.
If Tyrone win and O'Neill gets a medal surely he is elbowing some gom that has trained his nads off for the past 9 months. Isn't there a limit on the number of medals.
Is this right?
I think the GAA ask you how many you need and you get 30 free and the county board has to pay for the rest. That's the way it works in club competitions as far as I know. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong though.
P.S. do managers and trainers etc get medals?
P.P.S. Say Tyrone had won Ulster this year and go on to win the AI, do you reckon SON would get an Ulster medal as well as a Celtic Cross, or only the Celtic Cross?
Good to see O'Neill back cause if Tyrone did win, I'm sure missing out on a third AI medal would be the sort of thing you'd regret for the rest of your life.
Quote from: tyrone86 on September 04, 2008, 12:11:51 AM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on September 04, 2008, 12:04:13 AM
As an outsider can I ask one question.
If Tyrone win and O'Neill gets a medal surely he is elbowing some gom that has trained his nads off for the past 9 months. Isn't there a limit on the number of medals.
Is this right?
I actually don't know what the story is. As far as I know there are 30 medals given to the county, but there definitely was 31 on the panel in 03 and I'm sure there was over 30 in 05 as well. There are 31 on it currently so I don't know. In fairness though, there must be 32 on the Kerry panel at the moment because there was 30 named on Sunday and you have Galvin and Dara to come back in as well
30 & the County Board can pay for more to be made up. Mayo did this for the lads from the 50 & 51 teams (I think) it only took a wait of 56 years or so for them to get their hands on their Celtic Cross ("Mayo God Help Us") :)
Just mentioned by PC on Today FM sport bulletin there now....
Hard to read the implications. One thing, Stephen O'Neill must be extremely well liked and respected by all the players for there not to be dissenting voices, and that wouldn't surprise me.
So Big Sean returns till midfield, Stevie back in full forward, Holmes loses out?
Poor Mugsy will need scraped up off the floor after this news!
This might have come from the players, but not all of them! - I reckon it has come from the senior players, McGuigan, Cavanagh, Jordan & most noteably Dooher! Can't imagine those on the fringes of the starting 15 will be happy to lose their place, at any stage of the AI Final!
Long term it's good news, he's a class act - lovely footballer to watch.
There'll be men on the panel that will shave their beards in a clean(shaven) protest.
People questioning if Stevie is in good enough physical nick. I am far from an expert in fitness, but he would be training with the club twice a week. AFAIK Ciaran McLaughlin is still the Clann's manager so he'd have a rep as a fairly good trainer, and as a member of the county board a close ear with Harte.
Also as a teacher Stevie has been off for two months. He doesn't drink, so how do you fill the two months- I know that makes me sound like an alcho. Training. In fact twice in the last three weeks he has past me (Not overtaking now) on a bike during the day. I'd say Stevie's attitude and his own ethos means he would be a fairly fit lad anyhow.
great news as it gives us and MH another option. was not on the board late last night and heard the radio news this morning saying SON was back and i thought more crap being talked, then i come on here and ziggy has the scoop of the year.
being trying to get on tyrone homepage but is crashed. :D :D
QuoteOne party must have removed whatever obstacle was there
would love to have being a fly on the wall when the chat was going on.
i think this is a big mistake - who wants to be a dissenting voice in the changing room at this stage even though its bound to cause resentment
Thrilled as I was to make the all Ireland final, i had very real doubts that we could win an All Ireland without son - now we have that additional amoury - I believe we are the real deal. I had heard this some weeks back that he was back in the loop and was shocked that he wasnt togged out against Dublin. Harte has took Canavn back, he will have measured this decision, Stevie will have measured this decision - absolutely fantastic news. Harte's man management with Stevie had left me with real doubts, now I know how calculated this comeback was, I salute his genius once again. Stevie welcome home brethren, we are thrilled to have you back. Slaughter the prized cow and cut that the man the finest steak in the land, for he needs energy, for he has important work to do.
STEVIE. IF YOU ARE READING THIS CAN I HAVE YOUR TICKET?? PM ME!!
Ziiggy has to get the scoop of the year.
One question: did you know all along he was coming back & your vehement denials were just a smokescreen ;)
Well lads apaarantely he has done a U Turn and will resume training tonight with the rest of the squad, As an Armagh man i think it be littles the whole squad, there has been a bond built thoroughout the year and someone new could rock the boat. Dont get me wrong SON is an exceptional talent, but i reall dont think Tyrone need him at this stage to clinch the 3rd All ireland,
Geezus lads Ziggy is Mickey Harte!
Hello Mickey woo hoo.
As an Armagh man i think it be littles the whole squad, there has been a bond built thoroughout the year and someone new could rock the boat. Dont get me wrong SON is an exceptional talent, but i reall dont think Tyrone need him at this stage to clinch the 3rd All ireland
With the boost Kerry will get with Galvin and O'Se, it's great that we in Tyrone have taken the wind out of that sail with the return of SoN.
Listen Stevie is and will laways be a Tyrone legend, Even if only for that peace of mind penalty and lets face it Kerry have been conceding them ;) lets put it like this hes a better full forward than Donaghy and Walsh so he should slip back in there very nicely.
Quote from: rrhf on September 04, 2008, 08:50:29 AM
Listen Stevie is and will laways be a Tyrone legend, Even if only for that peace of mind penalty and lets face it Kerry have been conceding them ;) lets put it like this hes a better full forward than Donaghy and Walsh so he should slip back in there very nicely.
I'd take Donaghy first!
Seen it on the BBC1 news this morning Onion, cant understand it myself. He is a brilliant player but I dont think they need him at this stage and as you say he could even rock the boat.
QuoteI'd take Donaghy first!
Two very differnt players obviously so comparisons are a bit nonsensical, however if it's scores on the board you want (from every angle) Stevie would get the nod.
Now that the BBC have confirmed it, I shall be expecting a wordy apology for the lack of trust in me. Don't you all know my word is gospel!
Midfield is going grand, not winning the clean kickouts but our hoovers dooher, jordan and co ensure we win our fair share. I propose a threeman diamond inside line;
T McGuigan
Sean Stevie
The drool is running down my beard in anticipation. Tom O'Sullivan is supposedly having counselling at the thought of it!!!!
Quote from: ziggysego on September 04, 2008, 08:57:43 AM
Now that the BBC have confirmed it, I shall be expecting a wordy apology for the lack of trust in me. Don't you all know my word is gospel!
Sorry Ziggy but I just thought You were acting the Joker with us... ::) ::) :D
This is great news. I'm absolutely delighted this morning. I saw him going into the Wexford game and thought to myself 'what a pity that guy is not in those changing rooms with the rest' It made me sad.
With every winner there is a loser but in this case there are no losers in the Tyrone camp. Hopefully Kerry will be taking up that side of things. Stevie is a legend. He would be more than welcome back by every Tyrone player and fan. The new guys coming in hold Stevie in the such a high regard they know it is an honour to play along side him. The older guys know that no matter what happens at this stage it is about winning.
Fair play to the Stevie, the rest of the panel and to Harte. You continue to surprise and impress.
I was one of the biggest dismissers of these roumors from the start but am happy I was wrong.
Just hope this doesn't mean Cavanagh is injured/doubtful.
Quote from: Zapatista on September 04, 2008, 09:03:27 AM
This is great news. I'm absolutely delighted this morning. I saw him going into the Wexford game and thought to myself 'what a pity that guy is not in those changing rooms with the rest' It made me sad.
:D
Fcuk the famines & flooding throughout the world
It made you sad to see Stevie walking into CP
:D
I beleive it will be a poison chalice for Mickey Harte, If, in the All ireland final he plays and plays bad people will be saying why the f**k did they take him back and put him on instead of someone who has been there all year and if he dosent play him and tyrone are playing bad and get beat, people will be saying why the f**k didnt he put him on. Really dont think it was a good move
Quote from: Doire abú on September 04, 2008, 06:46:29 AM
Quote from: Rois on September 03, 2008, 11:27:55 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 03, 2008, 11:26:03 PM
Stevie won't be starting (if he is back), and he must have been training to the extreme if he'd be in shape to come on as an impact sub. Still, we'll take it!
Sure didn't he score 0-4 in the Frank O'Neill cup final the other week for the Clanns??? :P
lol funniest post on the board ever.
::)
I thought people knew the little icon with the tongue out means a joke. Jeez I know I'm a girl and should know feck all about football but credit me with a bit of sense.
Quote from: Onion Bag on September 04, 2008, 09:07:40 AM
I beleive it will be a poison chalice for Mickey Harte, If, in the All ireland final he plays and plays bad people will be saying why the f**k did they take him back and put him on instead of someone who has been there all year and if he dosent play him and tyrone are playing bad and get beat, people will be saying why the f**k didnt he put him on. Really dont think it was a good move
There is very little chance of a player of his quality playing badly if he is fully fit. If Harte dosen't play him for this reason then that would make Harte a bad manager, which we know is not true. If he is not played it will not be in fear of what others think.
So you are trying to tell me that a great player cant have an off day?
Quote from: 20leg-end08 on September 04, 2008, 01:09:10 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 04, 2008, 12:58:02 AM
Yis are like little kids at Christmas Eve that can't wait for the morning. GET UP TO YOUR BEDS!!
Waiting for the man with the beard to give us our present :D
Stevie, Mugsy, Mulgrew, C. Cavanagh, Penrose/McGuigan, Gormley and Shaun O'Neill aren't a bad locka forwards to hav on the bench on all-ireland day
There is just something very disturbing about that highlighted section.
I hear Plunkett Donaghy and Eugene Mc Kenna are also training furiously :D
This is surely an indication of desperation and a shameful indication that Harte hasn't the faith in the lads that took Tyrone to the final. I feel genuinely sorry for the player who has toiled relentlessly and will now lose his place to a glory hunter
Confirmed by BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7597489.stm
Maybe there is a different dynamic with the Tyrone panel but this would be met with a degree of dissent by almost every other panel in the country i would think.
no worries about cavanagh. seen him running through cavity walls in moy city centre last night. rumour has it the tears we seen on sunday were in anticapation of the returning prodigal SON!!!! ;D ;)
Maybe so Minder, but no-one knows how the dynamic of the Tyrone camp works. Maybe Mickey has a bag of special magic dust. ;)
Tony,...."shameful indication"????
Your posts this last few days have just confirmed the shameful indication that you are a c*ck!!!
No theres no problem with this successful group of Tyrone lads. Lets put it like this Kerrry has 2 discipline cases displacing players come the all ireland, Tyrone has a long term injury candidate - one of the greatest forwards of his generation returning because hes fit and well again, and hes not displacing anyone - Harte always said his place was kept open for him.
"the prodigal S.O.N. has returned"
Quote from: Onion Bag on September 04, 2008, 09:13:08 AM
So you are trying to tell me that a great player cant have an off day?
No I'm saying you can't not play a great player just incase they have an off day. Chances are a great player will have a great day.
Quote from: rrhf on September 04, 2008, 09:24:09 AM
Tyrone has a long term injury candidate - one of the greatest forwards of his generation returning because hes fit and well again,
Off course thats the reason he wasnt on the panel :D :D :-[
When was O'Neill's last major game of any significance in a County jersey? Yet he is expected to breeze back in and come up to speed automatically for an All Ireland Final? This has the potential to do more harm than good as far as Tyrone are concerned
contrary to the alternative reasons for stevie's absence it is widely known that his absence was down to injury. the conspiracies theories probably came from Tony. sorry, fat tony!!!
Quote from: ziggysego on September 03, 2008, 11:07:27 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on September 03, 2008, 11:06:23 PM
could damage morale and create some resentment among the panel, not necessarily a good move at this point
Normally I'd agree, but from my sources, it was the players that wanted him back.
A select group of three or four or every member of the panel? In fairness one of two fringe players wont say anything as they may get the old "if you dont like it f*ck off" line.
Would it have given Mayo a boost to have Ciaran Mc come in before the game against Tyrone. I for one will always welcome back the great talents in our game. Its great for Tyrone football, great for this year, next year and for Mickey, Stevie and the rest of the lads.
Tir Eoghain Abu. Therell definitely be cameras at training tonight lock the gates!!!
By the way it was every member of the panel.
Yo Ho !!! He's back!! This is going to be some final !!!! ;)
Well there is truth in the rumor after all as announced !! Stephen is back !!! This is gonna be a fantastic final !!! ;)
O'Neill returns to Tyrone panel
Stephen O'Neill won All-Ireland medals in 2003 and 2005
Stephen O'Neill has returned to the Tyrone senior football panel ahead of the All-Ireland final against Kerry at Croke Park on Sunday 21 September.
The 27-year-old quit the inter-county scene in January after two frustrating seasons of injuries, amid speculation of a row with manager Mickey Harte.
Tyrone players held a meeting on Wednesday night and voted to accept O'Neill back into the Red Hands squad.
The forward is set to return to county training on Thursday night.
O'Neill, who has been in good form for his club Clann na nGael, is a double All-Star winner and double All-Ireland medal winner.
His return adds further spice to the All-Ireland decider, a repeat of the 2005 final in which Tyrone beat Kerry.
Sourced BBCi: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7597489.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7597489.stm)
Now that the good friends of the GAA, the BBC, have confirmed it to all the doubting Thomas, I would like a penned apology for doubting my word. Send them c/o Greencastle GAA and I will collect them there. I look forward to reading them all ;D
Does this mean someone will have to drop off the panel or not be listed in the 30 for the match day?
Quote from: Zapatista on September 04, 2008, 09:24:16 AM
Quote from: Onion Bag on September 04, 2008, 09:13:08 AM
So you are trying to tell me that a great player cant have an off day?
No I'm saying you can't not play a great player just incase they have an off day. Chances are a great player will have a great day.
Jesus Zapatista, you are really starting to confuse me now, all i said was, if SON happens to play and has a bad game, people will say why the f**k did he play him when AN OTHER was sitting on the bench and has been part of the panel all year, and if Tyrone happened to get beat and Mickey sticks with his trusted 15 or 16 players, people will say why the f**k didnt he put SON on, thats why im calling it a poison chalice, Not that mickey will care what people will say, but it will happen
If you believe that every player accepted this 100% you are very naive. Boys probably wouldn't speak out but I am sure there are a few pissed off. Excellent boost for the team but a few fringe players are bound to be gutted.
Quote from: Rois on September 04, 2008, 09:09:17 AM
Sure didn't he score 0-4 in the Frank O'Neill cup final the other week for the Clanns??? :P
How much from play?
Quote from: Final Whistle on September 04, 2008, 09:01:25 AM
Midfield is going grand, not winning the clean kickouts but our hoovers dooher, jordan and co ensure we win our fair share. I propose a threeman diamond inside line;
T McGuigan
Sean Stevie
The drool is running down my beard in anticipation. Tom O'Sullivan is supposedly having counselling at the thought of it!!!!
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I have never heard such dogs dung! this is a BAD move I would be a big Mickey Harte fan but this throws up all sorts of quandries. I have seen O'Neill play 3 or 4 times this year and trust me he is of the pace. When he gets the ball he still has the ability but his problem is getting the ball. This will be 10 times harder in an AIF. Those who have raised doubts about a unaminous decision are right it is obvious there are not too many footballers on this board. I as is every other footballer is selfish and wants to play. So if you think that anyone who is unsurped by O'Neill will be happy then it is obvious you have never played the game. This will lead to bad feeling as these players who are sidelined are not happy and a few clubs will not be happy that their man is not on the 30 on the big day, understandably so. As for him starting well this is the beard we are talking about so you never know. As you can see I am unhappy about this decision but I am a tyrone man to the hilt so I will back whatever team is sent out Tyrone ABU
Whats the betting he gets an all star as well??? ;D
IF SON happens to play and has a bad game, people will say why the f**k did he play him when AN OTHER was sitting on the bench and has been part of the panel all year, and if Tyrone happened to get beat and Mickey sticks with his trusted 15 or 16 players, people will say why the f**k didnt he put SON on, thats why im calling it a poison chalice, Not that mickey will care what people will say, but it will happen, I dont think Tyrone need him
QuoteI have never heard such dogs dung! this is a BAD move I would be a big Mickey Harte fan but this throws up all sorts of quandries.
Don't you think Mickey Harte has considered ALL these quandries? Whatever thought you have given it over the past couple of hours, MH will have given for weeks if not months and fully considered the pros & cons. Winning the AI is what matters tho.
The pub 'know-it-alls', mainly based in East Tyrone, are deilighted now as they have now been given a new knife to stab MH with should we not win the AIF.
We are in an AIF and the best forward in Ireland is fit again and able to join the panel. I doubt if any starting forward who has cemented his place will lose it as a result.
If O'Neill is not required he may not even play, however he gives a fantastic option from the bench and anyone who can't see this is blind.
IF we don't win it tho, it will be nothing to do with SO'N re-entering the panel.
Would all the nay-sayers please get to feck out of my sight!!
No the man is a class act - if he plays he will be excellent. Theri are implications but I suppose who cares if it gets you success.
I'd love to have seen Tom O'Sullivans face this morning eating his Cornflakes listening to the sports news and they announce O'Neill is back ... he was just getting over the terrors of trying to handle Cavanagh or McCullagh ... poor man won't sleep tonght
Expect to see SON, on and off every five or ten minutes like a yoyo, a la Canavan in the 2003 Final
and boy tony, didnt that work well!!!!!!
remember your days at st.pats well tony????
realistically lads when has harte not performed his role excellently. its ai time (Tony, remember what that feels like?) and this is when the bearded messiah (holy dung, is mickey harte moses reincarnated?) struts HIS stuff. if he felt that playing enda kilpatrick in full forward who are we mere mortals to doubt him????
the time is to close ranks and unite, lend your support and scream at the top of your voice Tir Eoghain Abu!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: JMohan on September 04, 2008, 10:24:21 AM
I'd love to have seen Tom O'Sullivans face this morning eating his Cornflakes listening to the sports news and they announce O'Neill is back ... he was just getting over the terrors of trying to handle Cavanagh or McCullagh ... poor man won't sleep tonght
Yeah I am sure he will. ::). Jesus.
Won't start. Impact sub. Will warm him up a couple of times to get the crowd going, then introduce him with about 10minutes left on the clock, when the game is already won :P
A name from the past....playing football is one thing, playing to the fine turned skills and the fitness required to play in an All Ireland final is entirely another thing. Very disappointing on his part to return.....would the term glory hunter apply
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on September 04, 2008, 10:43:47 AM
A name from the past....playing football is one thing, playing to the fine turned skills and the fitness required to play in an All Ireland final is entirely another thing. Very disappointing on his part to return.....would the term glory hunter apply
Thats what i would call it
Its Interesting that most of the posts concerned about the impact and the effect of this decision are those from other counties. The vast vast majority of Tyrone posters are delighted with the news.
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on September 04, 2008, 10:43:47 AM
A name from the past....playing football is one thing, playing to the fine turned skills and the fitness required to play in an All Ireland final is entirely another thing. Very disappointing on his part to return.....would the term glory hunter apply
Whats all this concern about his fitness. If hes not fit he wont play. This has obviously been in the off for some time as he has suppossedly been training the last 3 weeks.
Quote from: Onion Bag on September 04, 2008, 10:45:19 AM
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on September 04, 2008, 10:43:47 AM
A name from the past....playing football is one thing, playing to the fine turned skills and the fitness required to play in an All Ireland final is entirely another thing. Very disappointing on his part to return.....would the term glory hunter apply
Thats what i would call it
;D ;D ;D Once again another concerned/ disparaging voice outside tyrone.
I was doing my usual 5am morning feed this morning when I read the news and I thought I was just so sleep starved that I was dreaming again.
Then Jamie gave me a kick as I dropped his bottle and said his first word
"STEVIE"
Normally I'd shout at the wife
"Who the hell is Stevie" but I awoke from my slumber and starting jumping around the room to Jamie's amusement.
I was talking to his brother and sister at the match on Sunday and they said yeah he gets tortured everywhere he goes about making a comeback and I said he should just tell everyone he's going to Aus.
I must say I really believe my clubmates back home didn't know about it either or else they've better than I thought at keeping it quiet
As for you folk that say its unfair to some squad members and gonna backfire on the whole team then maybe but isn't it better to have him on board than not on board
Its like the equivalent to Argentina getting back Maradona for the World Cup final after he's been out all year on the RAZZ.
A half fit Stevie is worth at least 3 points as long as the right ball is played into him and I think we have enough brains and ball players to make that happen.
I'd say he'll come on 2nd half IF NEEDED but I'd love to see a FF line of Stevie, Sean & Tommy with Dooher, McCullagh & McGuigan on the 40 with Joey going to MF in the 2nd half
Now I'm looking forward to the 21st as Kerry had the momentum boost of Galvin and Darragh coming back
Quote from: Bensars on September 04, 2008, 10:49:19 AM
Its Interesting that most of the posts concerned about the impact and the effect of this decision are those from other counties. The vast vast majority of Tyrone posters are delighted with the news.
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on September 04, 2008, 10:43:47 AM
A name from the past....playing football is one thing, playing to the fine turned skills and the fitness required to play in an All Ireland final is entirely another thing. Very disappointing on his part to return.....would the term glory hunter apply
Whats all this concern about his fitness. If hes not fit he wont play. This has obviously been in the off for some time as he has suppossedly been training the last 3 weeks.
Quote from: Onion Bag on September 04, 2008, 10:45:19 AM
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on September 04, 2008, 10:43:47 AM
A name from the past....playing football is one thing, playing to the fine turned skills and the fitness required to play in an All Ireland final is entirely another thing. Very disappointing on his part to return.....would the term glory hunter apply
Thats what i would call it
;D ;D ;D Once again another concerned/ disparaging voice outside tyrone.
It's understandable that Tyrone fans are getting excited about O'Neill's return, maybe outsiders can give a more balanced view on it. I remember being just as excited about Marsden's return last year and while I'm a huge Marsden fan, I'd say the majority would agree it didn't work out for him. This is a similar situation.
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 04, 2008, 10:52:10 AM
I was doing my usual 5am morning feed this morning when I read the news and I thought I was just so sleep starved that I was dreaming again.
Then Jamie gave me a kick as I dropped his bottle and said his first word
"STEVIE"
Normally I'd shout at the wife
"Who the hell is Stevie" but I awoke from my slumber and starting jumping around the room to Jamie's amusement.
I was talking to his brother and sister at the match on Sunday and they said yeah he gets tortured everywhere he goes about making a comeback and I said he should just tell everyone he's going to Aus.
I must say I really believe my clubmates back home didn't know about it either or else they've better than I thought at keeping it quiet
As for you folk that say its unfair to some squad members and gonna backfire on the whole team then maybe but isn't it better to have him on board than not on board
Its like the equivalent to Argentina getting back Maradona for the World Cup final after he's been out all year on the RAZZ.
A half fit Stevie is worth at least 3 points as long as the right ball is played into him and I think we have enough brains and ball players to make that happen.
I'd say he'll come on 2nd half IF NEEDED but I'd love to see a FF line of Stevie, Sean & Tommy with Dooher, McCullagh & McGuigan on the 40 with Joey going to MF in the 2nd half
Now I'm looking forward to the 21st as Kerry had the momentum boost of Galvin and Darragh coming back
;D ;D ;D ;D
I'm not from Tyrone but I'm delighted to see O'Neill back for the final. A class act and a very nice guy. Its a no lose situation for Harte. If O'Neill doesn't measure up in training, he doesn't have to be even on the bench. And if he does measure up, but falls flat on the day, sure Harte can take him off. With five subs allowed nowadays, gambling on individual players is less a risk than it once was.
I wonder what stage his beard is at? :D
Classic, Onion Bag :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
SON's return has both for and against arguments and everyone is entitled to their opinion but if galvin is going to play in the final having hardly kicked a ball for his county all year then why not SON as well? in fact SON should be in better shape than galvin as galvin was not allowed to train with Kerry (and presumably finuge as well) whereas SON has been training and playing away with clan na gael. when i first heard the news i was bit sceptical (i.e. is it fair on the other players etc) but I very quickly came round and really it is fantastic news. :)
It's fairly bizarre alright but I'm sure Mickey has weighed up the pros and cons beforehand. He wouldn't do anything to upset the dynamic of a squad that has served him so well.
Why not have a man like that on the bench? As long as it doesn't prevent another player who has worked hard all year from taking his place.
What is the actual ruling on squad sizes, and additions to it?
Would the All Ireland medal mean anything to him coming on with 5 mins to go, compared to 2005? I read an article by Paul Ormonde (i think), he was a member of Tipps All Ireland winning squad from 2001. He didnt see any action all year and said he doesent even know where the medal is as it means very little to him as he wasnt involved.
no doubt if the news had broke earlier alan rodgers from the gaelic life would have had a dozen pages on SoN and all its pros and cons.
away to work now, gods knows how many pages will be on this by 11pm tonight
I think it is a master stroke from MH, there will always be malcontents but will give everyone a lift, this will more than counteract any momentum Kerry gain from Galvin's return - though I am certain that this was not their motive.
Comparing it to Masrden is not really comparing apples with apples (sorry) as he was considered to be in his 'twilight' whilst SoN is 27 and at a stage of his career where he is expected to get even better.
Bring the barf bucket along with you to the AIF. There won't be dry eye in the house with the introductions of Galvin and O'Neill. The winning manager will be lauded for his astuteness while the loser will be castigated for naivety.
Expect Mickey Harte to be Dublin manager if Tyrone lose after SON is introduced as a sub.I saw the Tyrone "fans" treat him and his son despicably when I went up to the Lge game in Omagh in 2005(the year before the absurdly named "Battle of Omagh") and I would expect no better if they lose in AIF. The worse culprits amazingly were wearing black "Supporters Clubs" jackets.
Don't mind them Mickey, we'll treat you better !!!!!!
It certainly has more pros than cons. And a couple of Tyrone fans are pointing out that other counties are begrudging it, but at the end of the day, if you can't accept that there might be a negative impact on certain players you are simply wrong.
no doubt if the news had broke earlier alan rodgers from the gaelic life would have had a dozen pages on SoN and all its pros and cons.
away to work now, gods knows how many pages will be on this by 11pm tonight
It has many pros and a few cons.
The only two players, IMO, there will be any real impact on is Penrose or Mulligan. One, probably both, will be subs on AIF day and it will be harder for them to get game time. I would expect it to be harder for Mulligan now but Penrose should be ok.
Quote from: gerry on September 04, 2008, 11:28:25 AM
no doubt if the news had broke earlier alan rodgers from the gaelic life would have had a dozen pages on SoN and all its pros and cons.
I believe ONeill had a few choice words for him last week, when Rodgers mooted the idea in the Gaelic Life ;)
Anyway, I hear Alan's unhappy that I got the scoop before him hehe
It could effect any of Niall Gormley, Colm Cavanagh, Ryan Mellon, Mugsy, Penrose, Ciaran Gourley or Colin Holmes...
Potentially even one of Colly McCullagh & Tommy McGuigan or Brian McGuigan!
Think Mickey Harte is going to nullify the impact of Kerry introducing Paul Galvin. Just imagine, if Galvin was introduced with 20 mins to go. It would really raise the Kerry team and supporters. However, if SO'N is then introduced almost immediately, the Tyrone team and supporters will get an even greater lift. The impact of Galvin will be lost and Tyrone will be at an advantage.
Quote from: ziggysego on September 04, 2008, 11:38:07 AM
Quote from: gerry on September 04, 2008, 11:28:25 AM
no doubt if the news had broke earlier alan rodgers from the gaelic life would have had a dozen pages on SoN and all its pros and cons.
I believe ONeill had a few choice words for him last week, when Rodgers mooted the idea in the Gaelic Life ;)
Anyway, I hear Alan's unhappy that I got the scoop before him hehe
Good man Ziggy ! ;) ;D
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on September 04, 2008, 11:40:44 AM
It could effect any of Niall Gormley, Colm Cavanagh, Ryan Mellon, Mugsy, Penrose, Ciaran Gourley or Colin Holmes...
Potentially even one of Colly McCullagh & Tommy McGuigan or Brian McGuigan!
FFS . Why dont you name the entire panel, backroom staff and Mickey Harte as well !
Stop being such a drama queen !
QuoteExpect to see SON, on and off every five or ten minutes like a yoyo, a la Canavan in the 2003 Final
Was that the day Tyrone had one man with half a leg and another with the flu yet beat Armagh by 3 points? ;D
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on September 04, 2008, 11:40:44 AM
It could effect any of Niall Gormley, Colm Cavanagh, Ryan Mellon, Mugsy, Penrose, Ciaran Gourley or Colin Holmes...
Potentially even one of Colly McCullagh & Tommy McGuigan or Brian McGuigan!
I know SON is class but he can only replace one player at a time
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 04, 2008, 11:31:07 AM
It has many pros and a few cons.
The only two players, IMO, there will be any real impact on is Penrose or Mulligan. One, probably both, will be subs on AIF day and it will be harder for them to get game time. I would expect it to be harder for Mulligan now but Penrose should be ok.
Apparantly that was the content of the meeting last night with the players - weighing up the pros and cons of bringing Stevie back and the players deciding what they wanted.
Over the moon he's back!!
16 pages, be-jesus,
but had he not left due to poor performance? is his form back at club level. Going from retirment straight into an AI final is no easy task. We'll see on the day i suppose.
As a purist and a neutral I am delighted that O'Neill is back in the Tyrone squad. A player with his ability will undoubtedly light up the final.
Another ingredient in what could be a fantastic match for us neutrals.
Of course, it could equally be a dung game.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 04, 2008, 10:27:09 AM
Expect to see SON, on and off every five or ten minutes like a yoyo, a la Canavan in the 2003 Final
wouldn't an auld blood injury to penrose or somebody be very fortuitous ;)
What it all boils down to is Harte's shrewdness. He knows he hasn't got a marquee forward to seriosuly challenge Kerry and knows full well that while the likes of backs out of position like Mc Mahon, the ageing Dooher and Colm Mc Cullagh might get you over the likes of Wexford and Dublin, they carry no wehere near sufficient ability to concern Kerry
Who did Armagh have to call on Tony? Did you get a phone call to tog out?
Armagh had Ulster's top Championship scorer of all time to call on, and didn't make the call. Hence Tyrone got a (relatively) easy semi final against Wexford ;)
So your best player wasn't good enough? Fair enough Tony.
QuoteArmagh had Ulster's top Championship scorer of all time to call on, and didn't make the call. Hence Tyrone got a (relatively) easy semi final against Wexford
Poor Oisins back had been too badly damaged by years of bending over bookies benches!
You are a w**k-bag.
Fcuk up rico, you pr1ck
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 04, 2008, 01:25:03 PM
QuoteArmagh had Ulster's top Championship scorer of all time to call on, and didn't make the call. Hence Tyrone got a (relatively) easy semi final against Wexford
Poor Oisins back had been too badly damaged by years of bending over bookies benches!
Offensive and personal remarks like this have no place on a GAA discussion board; sad!
Lets not get too precious, there were other rumours that have been posted about Mc Conville on this board would be deemed offensive. Im not sure calling someone a gambler is offensive, especially when he brought it into the public domain.
I suppose its exciting news for Tyrone, but will it unsettle some of the players in danger of missing out?
Having played all year, to sit in a meeting and hear players say they would love him back isnt going to do your confidence much good, and if you were genuinely thinking "feck him, I've played all along" theres a chance you wont say it in from of your team mates in case you look paranoid, not to mention some of them are good freinds of O'Neill.
I dont think any player could have said they dont want him back without a backlash of some description towards them.
So its a tricky one. There seems to be brilliant team spirit in Tyrone this year. Its risky to rock the boat imo, then again, he is a bloody good player!
As an outsider looking in I would say that this decision would cause bad blood in most panels in the country.
The thing is that this Tyrone Panel has proven in the past to be more resilient and close knit than any team. How many county teams could have recovered from seeing 2 of their team-mates die tragically?
There is obviously a bond there that nothing can break.
Why does this thread say it is started by filthylittlebeast?
Have the Mods merged it with another?
Ziggy will go f**king mental when he gets a look at this................
Well done for giving us an exclusive filthy ;)
i know that people are going on about it disrupting the panel and that some one will miss out but players are selfish (not just saying tyrone players all players) all this talk about it been a 30 man squad is bullshit all the players really think about is themselves firstly and their other 14 team mates and the 5 subs that will be used they don't really care too much about numbers 21-30 because as far as they see it they aren't going to help them win the match or in this case the Ai ( harsh but true ) and obviously in this case here the management and senior players think that it is their interest to have son back on the panel and who can blame them he is a quality player with loads of experience .
Disclaimer
i write the above comments as having been a member of the 21-30 club so i'm speaking from experience ;)
Living in Dublin and with the young wan I've not been able to attend any Clann games this year but from what I've heard he really is class and is well used to be double marked in both league and the Frank O'Neill cup matches
He's as strong as a horse and I know its a VERY controversial statement but he too often tries to ride the tackle and so Refs are slow to give him frees unless its the last minute of the AI semi v Armagh and McKeever has dragged him again.
I think he's worth at least 3 or 4 points and even for hitting Frees he's almost worth a start but I can't see it
I don't think Mickey will risk starting him nor will he do a PTG where he'll start take him off and put him on but God knows what master Mickey will come up with
Its certainly adding a great bit of spice to this years AI which we have done time and time again and I hope people will look at our score lines in years to come and say this was not a defensive minded team.
I wonder how Mugsy felt in that meeting as he'd be thinking I've done all the training asking of me and even switched to Diet Coke now but still I can't get my game.
QuoteI wonder how Mugsy felt in that meeting as he'd be thinking I've done all the training asking of me and even switched to Diet Coke now but still I can't get my game.
Mugsy might defect to Armagh in protest, and with the orange beard might start a
fanta-stic new look in Peter McDonnell's squad!
Mugsy has a ginger beard so he cant complain about not starting.
The only people allowed to grow ginger beards are Luke Kelly and Hamish from Braveheart.
By all accounts Mugsy was one of the players who was vocal in supporting the return of Stevie at the meetng last night. Illustrates how driven this bunch of players are, and the team ethos that exists.
QuoteThe only people allowed to grow ginger beards are Luke Kelly and Hamish from Braveheart.
Wha' aboot the Big Yin?
The Tyrone players voted to have him back...Micky runs a tight ship and if the players are more than happy with it, then the real Tyrone supporters have to be happy with it...
As for the players that will possibly be pushed down the pecking order, do they not have a better chance of winning an All Ireland medal with the pedigree of Stevie O'Neill in the team....just think of the ROAR when he enters the fray or even starts to warm along the Hogan Stand if things were getting tight...
Add in the fact that hes worth a few points to Tyrone everytime he plays no to mention the amount of space he'll create for the rest of the team....
Great Call Micky...Looking forward to it even more now.
I don't know about this. No doubt an unreal talent but this can go one of 2 ways. It will lift the team when in need or it will demoralise them completely.
I also think that although it was a 'unanimous' player decision it looks to me that there were probably a few high profile players who really pushed the issue and other lads went along with it so as not to rock the boat. If things go pear shaped these lads will start to voice their opinions and it could divide the team at a very important time.
Regardless we are at an All Ireland final stage and you always want to see the best players playing on days like these so good luck to him. There will be some roar when he comes on alright but if he comes off the field a loser there will be not so much be a roar but a constant stream of criticism flying around Tyrone!
I know that but if you think back O'Neill was a bit player in 2003, i think it was because of college committments in foreign shores, but when it mattered he was there....
Think he scored at least 2, maybe 3 points in that final against Armagh coming on just before half time and the same again would do nicely....
QuoteIt will lift the team when in need or it will demoralise them completely.
Deffo not. What secnario sould you see this happening?
QuoteIf things go pear shaped these lads will start to voice their opinions and it could divide the team at a very important time.
I can see it now. Gooch bags his hat-tirick of goals with 5 mins to go and Tyrone have ony 2 points on the board. Penrose jumps off the bench roaring at Mickey Harte "LOOK WHAT'S HAPPENED!!! I TOLD YE NOT TO BRING O'NEILL BACK!!!!!!! BUT WUD YE LISTEN?!?!?!? WUD YE F*&K- !!!!"
Quote from: T Fearon on September 04, 2008, 12:57:42 PM
What it all boils down to is Harte's shrewdness. He knows he hasn't got a marquee forward to seriosuly challenge Kerry and knows full well that while the likes of backs out of position like Mc Mahon, the ageing Dooher and Colm Mc Cullagh might get you over the likes of Wexford and Dublin, they carry no wehere near sufficient ability to concern Kerry
Your indepth knowledge, or lack thereof, never fails to astound.
Fair play to you, filthylittlebeast - thread of the year.
Quote from: Minder on September 04, 2008, 09:18:49 AM
Maybe there is a different dynamic with the Tyrone panel but this would be met with a degree of dissent by almost every other panel in the country i would think.
Which may be why other panels struggle to fulfill their potential. Stephen wasnt named on the starting 15 in 03. There was little doubt he was one of the top 6 forwards in the county at that time, but he was told he wasnt starting and told it was in the best interests of the team. His quote - "No bother Mickey, Ill do whatever is best for the team"
Sacrafices are all made, and the fringe players will want that medal more than O'Neill will - he really wont give stock in the medal if he gets it. What he wants is to help Tyrone win.
QuoteLets not get too precious, there were other rumours that have been posted about Mc Conville on this board would be deemed offensive. Im not sure calling someone a gambler is offensive, especially when he brought it into the public domain.
Agreed Minder.
QuoteI know that but if you think back O'Neill was a bit player in 2003, i think it was because of college committments in foreign shores, but when it mattered he was there....
Think he scored at least 2, maybe 3 points in that final against Armagh coming on just before half time and the same again would do nicely....
In 2003 I think he was also injured aswell as travelling from across the pond. He scored 2 in the closing stages of the final that effectively closed out the game, and he made a brilliant goal chance for Ger Cavlan that should have been buried but was dragged wide from point blank range.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xASFPcAQiEQ
Gaelic Life ran this story last Friday. Wonder did that "bucko" from Beragh have wind of this at the time? Or was all this part of the choregraphy along with the photo of him entering Croke Park on Sunday etc....
(http://edition.pagesuite-professional.co.uk/get_image.aspx?w=120&pbid=9db81776-fd10-4fae-b2df-7ca8b985af88)
Has Ziggy left in a huff No word of him lately! He ll not be happy :D
Maybe filthylittlebeast called them & let them know
filthylittlebeast has all the exclusives
filthylittlebeast, any word on Shergar?
:D
He did seem to have a wind of things Monday!
filthylittlebeast Ill nominate you for groundbreaking news poster of the year. Well done!
Hard luck Ziggy?
Yeah congrats Filthy! ;)
QuoteGaelic Life ran this story last Friday. Wonder did that "bucko" from Beragh have wind of this at the time?
If anyone subscibes to the online version of Gaelic Life can they copy the story referred to on here? cheers
Published - Fri, Aug 29, 2008
O'Neill back for final?
By Alan Rodgers
a.rodgers@gaeliclife.com
STEPHEN O'Neill's storming club form has revived hopes that the former All-star could still play a part in Mickey Harte's plans - provided Tyrone make it to the All-Ireland final.
The 2005 Footballer of the Year was the stand-out player in Clann na nGael's league cup final win over Moortown, scoring four points from play and setting up an early goal. Match reporter at the game Kevin Kelly said O'Neill was in outstanding form.
"Any time he won possession he was marked by a couple of players and yet he scored a number of real quality points. He really stood out as the class act," Kelly said.
Still only 28, O'Neill announced his retirement from county football earlier this year. But even at this late stage the Tyrone management say that the door is still open for the two-time All-star to return to the county set-up.
Last night Tyrone selector Tony Donnelly confirmed that O'Neill would be welcomed back to the team at any time.
"Stephen is free to return to the panel when he feels that he has fully recovered from the injuries which have affected him during the past few years. He felt earlier this year that he could not do himself justice as a result of those injuries and nothing has changed as far as I am aware. The door has been and always is open for him.
The will he, won't he Stephen O'Neill debate is still the biggest talking point in GAA circles across Tyrone and fans are already salivating at the prospect of scoring machine O'Neill teaming up with Sean Cavanagh in a lethal two-man full-forward line.
While Tyrone insiders would still rank O'Neill's return a long shot, Mickey Harte has a reputation for producing big surprises in the closing rounds of the race for the Sam Maguire. In 2003 Peter Canavan was re-introduced into the action in the closing stages of the All-Ireland Final against Armagh, while the move of Sean Cavanagh to full-forward this year is another bold move which has paid off.
Meanwhile, Donnelly insists the Tyrone team are keeping their focus ahead of Sunday's big game: "That speculation will probably always be there, but as a group we're totally focused on the Wexford game this weekend. There have been no approaches made to Stephen from the panel because the decision on whether to return or not was left to him and that's still the case."
Saw Stephen hanging around outside Ballymun kickhams ground behind the airport quite a bit lately, anyone know any more?
O'Neill in flying club form
Tyrone says, 'door is still open'
BY ALAN RODGERS
a.rodgers@gaeliclife.com
STEPHEN O'Neill's storming club form has revived hopes that the former All-star could still play a part in Mickey Harte's plans provided Tyrone make it to the All-Ireland final. The 2005 Footballer of the Year was the stand-out player in Clann na nGael's league cup final win over Moortown, scoring four points from play and setting up an early goal. Match reporter at the game Kevin Kelly said O'Neill was in outstanding form. "Any time he won possession he was marked by a couple of players and yet he scored a number of real quality points. He really stood out as the class act," Kelly said. Still only 28, O'Neill announced his retirement from county football earlier this year. But even at this late stage the Tyrone management say that the door is still open for the two-time All-star to return to the county set-up.
MORE ON PAGE 7
Stephen O'Neill still in the reckoning
CONTINUED FROM PAGE 1
Last night Tyrone selector Tony Donnelly confirmed that O'Neill would be welcomed back to the team at any time. "Stephen is free to return to the panel when he feels that he has fully recovered from the injuries which have affected him during the past few years. He felt earlier this year that he could not do himself justice as a result of those injuries and nothing has changed as far as I am aware. The door has been and always is open for him. The will he, won't he Stephen O'Neill debate is still the biggest talking point in GAA circles across Tyrone and fans are already salivating at the prospect of scoring machine O'Neill teaming up with Sean Cavanagh in a lethal two-man full-forward line. While Tyrone insiders would still rank O'Neill's return a long shot, Mickey Harte has a reputation for producing big surprises in the closing rounds of the race for the Sam Maguire. In 2003 Peter Canavan was reintroduced into the action in the closing stages of the All-Ireland Final against Armagh, while the move of Sean Cavanagh to full-forward this year is another bold move which has paid off. Meanwhile, Donnelly insists the Tyrone team are keeping their focus ahead of Sunday's big game: "That speculation will probably always be there, but as a group we're totally focused on the Wexford game this weekend. There have been no approaches made to Stephen from the panel because the decision on whether to return or not was left to him and that's still the case."
Sorry, Bensars.......didn't see your post.
Is there an echo here
What's all the rumpus from the empty vessels (Ziggy excluded) about?
Stephen O'Neill is a Tyrone man, what's the big deal about him training with the Tyrone squad?
No one seriously believes he can get up to AI final standard, do they?
Tyrone have a very good team now, good enough to compete for an AI, what can a 50% - 60% fit player add to that apart from active moral support?
cheers Benzars
Quote from: Main Street on September 04, 2008, 04:24:52 PM
What's all the rumpus from the empty vessels (Ziggy excluded) about?
Stephen O'Neill is a Tyrone man, what's the big deal about him training with the Tyrone squad?
No one seriously believes he can get up to AI final standard, do they?Tyrone have a very good team now, good enough to compete for an AI, what can a 50% - 60% fit player add to that apart from active moral support?
I know where you are coming from here but I think you are being a bit naive. He will A) Get the best out of the rest of the players around him because they know they have to step up a gear and B) Give Mickey Harte something else to ponder on the line, Another extra bit of Quality!
Quote from: Main Street on September 04, 2008, 04:24:52 PM
What's all the rumpus from the empty vessels (Ziggy excluded) about?
Stephen O'Neill is a Tyrone man, what's the big deal about him training with the Tyrone squad?
No one seriously believes he can get up to AI final standard, do they?
Tyrone have a very good team now, good enough to compete for an AI, what can a 50% - 60% fit player add to that apart from active moral support?
Smells like fear to me now I believe they are in deep negotiations with Peter canavan to came back and singlehandedly win a 3rd Final for them
Surely O`Neills return will do more harm then good. A man that has had no part in training all year is now possibly in line for an All Ireland medal (though I still think Kerry will beat them). As there are limited medals available, who will be the unlucky panelist to lose out?
Also it was wrong to merge the 2 threads. Ziggysego broke the story yesterday evening, but his thread has been merged with another from last week???
Would the mods be quick to merge all of T Fearons sectarian rants or his Spurs have got new goalposts threads? It shows what this board is really about ;)
The more ammunition the better and when all the players agree with it, thats really all that counts.
hard to know what to make of this. If he is fit enough he's good enough but as someone said earlier Kerry don't play in Tyrone Div 2. You'll only really know if he's up to it when get runs on to Croke Park and if he's not it's too late. It all adds to the interest for neutrals though.
Ai but he'd not stand up to it in training if he wasn't fit enough.
One game marking Gormley or a boy like that in training would soon suss him out.
Quote from: Bacon on September 04, 2008, 05:18:08 PM
hard to know what to make of this. If he is fit enough he's good enough but as someone said earlier Kerry don't play in Tyrone Div 2. You'll only really know if he's up to it when get runs on to Croke Park and if he's not it's too late. It all adds to the interest for neutrals though.
Not really there's 5 subs to be made as some-one pointed out earlier. Plus it's probably a 10-15 min period at the end of the game we are talking about here. A good lift to the players and fans at the right time as has already been mentioned.
If there's one player with the football ability and perhaps more importantly personality (from his own perspective and that of the other players) to be able to come back in at the this stage then that man is SON.
Sure, if you were the player who got pulled off with 15 minutes to go or the player who didn't get on then you would be pissed off. But looking back at it in 10 years you'd be more pissed off about not having an AI medal?
Quote from: Final Whistle on September 04, 2008, 09:22:22 AM
Tony,...."shameful indication"????
Your posts this last few days have just confirmed the shameful indication that you are a c*ck!!!
and a fat one at that ;D
think its a disgace if he plays any part.lads have been training in the wind,rain,gutters all year round and he just walks back in.if he had changed his mind at quarter final stage or so you could maybe have accepted it a bit more.would have liked to have known his thoughts about a return after the defeat in newry....
Quote from: T Fearon on September 04, 2008, 12:57:42 PM
What it all boils down to is Harte's shrewdness. He knows he hasn't got a marquee forward to seriosuly challenge Kerry and knows full well that while the likes of backs out of position like Mc Mahon, the ageing Dooher and Colm Mc Cullagh might get you over the likes of Wexford and Dublin, they carry no wehere near sufficient ability to concern Kerry
when I signed up here, I used to feel sorry for you, lads always giving u shiit.......now I see why..........fuccckkkk off u fat git
Quote from: Bacon on September 04, 2008, 05:18:08 PM
hard to know what to make of this. If he is fit enough he's good enough but as someone said earlier Kerry don't play in Tyrone Div 2. You'll only really know if he's up to it when get runs on to Croke Park and if he's not it's too late. It all adds to the interest for neutrals though.
what division are Galvins team in,,down in Kerry?
Quote from: charlie stubbs on September 04, 2008, 05:56:21 PM
think its a disgace if he plays any part.lads have been training in the wind,rain,gutters all year round and he just walks back in.if he had changed his mind at quarter final stage or so you could maybe have accepted it a bit more.would have liked to have known his thoughts about a return after the defeat in newry....
Do you have any proof that it was Stephen who was badgering the team to get back? There was obviously an entire network of communication going on, between players, board officials, manager Mickey Harte, and O'Neill.
Believe me, those lads will want him on the panel - even if they dont need him.
Quote from: Rois on September 04, 2008, 09:09:17 AM
Quote from: Doire abú on September 04, 2008, 06:46:29 AM
Quote from: Rois on September 03, 2008, 11:27:55 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 03, 2008, 11:26:03 PM
Stevie won't be starting (if he is back), and he must have been training to the extreme if he'd be in shape to come on as an impact sub. Still, we'll take it!
Sure didn't he score 0-4 in the Frank O'Neill cup final the other week for the Clanns??? :P
lol funniest post on the board ever.
::)
I thought people knew the little icon with the tongue out means a joke. Jeez I know I'm a girl and should know feck all about football but credit me with a bit of sense.
Come on now rois, I knew ye were joking, thats why I thought it was funny.
Quote from: Final Whistle on September 04, 2008, 09:29:32 AM
contrary to the alternative reasons for stevie's absence it is widely known that his absence was down to injury. the conspiracies theories probably came from Tony. sorry, fat tony!!!
Come on now final whistle, don't play us all for fools.
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on September 04, 2008, 10:43:47 AM
A name from the past....playing football is one thing, playing to the fine turned skills and the fitness required to play in an All Ireland final is entirely another thing. Very disappointing on his part to return.....would the term glory hunter apply
Maybe Max, but would will he care if he gets the third Celtic Cross? There's very few of us who wouldn't return before an AI final if asked.
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 04, 2008, 02:06:40 PM
QuoteI wonder how Mugsy felt in that meeting as he'd be thinking I've done all the training asking of me and even switched to Diet Coke now but still I can't get my game.
Mugsy might defect to Armagh in protest, and with the orange beard might start a fanta-stic new look in Peter McDonnell's squad!
Mugsy was a great Derry fan in his youth.
Quote from: Sideshow Bob on September 04, 2008, 04:45:15 PM
Surely O`Neills return will do more harm then good. A man that has had no part in training all year is now possibly in line for an All Ireland medal (though I still think Kerry will beat them). As there are limited medals available, who will be the unlucky panelist to lose out?
Also it was wrong to merge the 2 threads. Ziggysego broke the story yesterday evening, but his thread has been merged with another from last week???
Would the mods be quick to merge all of T Fearons sectarian rants or his Spurs have got new goalposts threads? It shows what this board is really about ;)
As I've already said, I can't see how it'll mean anyone missing out on a medal...if they win of course.
Good 10-min interview with Harte on the BBC website - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7597489.stm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xASFPcAQiEQ
great to see him back
stephen owes tyrone nothing - he has trained for ten years with the county and in my opinion
can come back in any time he wants.
I think this will give the whole tyrone set up a massive boost before the final - i expect him to play
a part in the latter stages of the game.
the other thing is that stephen is back with a point to prove, he will be determined to make an impact in this final
to avoid ant critisim. ths can only be good for the team
Ah for f**k sake mod! This is the second time in as many months when I don't get near a computer and I get screwed by the board.
First was the Georgia Caption Competition and now this. The f**king credit has been taken from me!
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Quote from: ziggysego on September 04, 2008, 07:17:00 PM
First was the Georgia Caption Competition and now this.
eh?
7) How does Ziggy know my plans before I know them myself?
As a nuetral I would love to see the imperious SO'N of previous years again and I hope that it is a move that works out in the sense of him making a positive contribution to the final... whether Tyrone wion or not.
However I don't buy the notion that this man is a saviour. While he was Player of the year in '05, he had a very bad day at the office against Dublin, twice - missing around him the first day and not even getting opportunities to miss the second day. Ultimately, without Canavan, that championshipo wouldf not have been won and fione player and all that O'Neill is, on the basis of the past, he needs others to make chances and even then he can be stopped.
It is a big gamble and fair play to Harte for having the balls to do it. No matter waht anyone says there will be players in that 30 that don't agree but the end justifies the means if you win.
One other point. A lot of posters here are commenting on Tom O'Sullivan. He played well last Sunday and was getting better as the game went on. He is one of the tightest craftiest and 'only do it when it matters' players around. If you're hoping for a Kerry back to come unstuck under pressure, he's not the man. He's well likely to have a shocker in a Q/F or qualifier or indeed all of the Musnster championship but you can expect him to be right up there in the AIF and uyou would not want him marking you.
Think it is good news for Tyrone and I wish them all the best
Harte is a very intelligent and articulate man - have had dealings with him in the past and his intelligence doesn't just fall with football - the man is one of the greats I have met. Great interview on bbc and looking forward to the final!
Quote from: ONeill on September 04, 2008, 06:34:52 PM
Good 10-min interview with Harte on the BBC website - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7597489.stm
Great interview there
Great interview on Newstalk radio too just now, from MH. All good. ;)
Mickey knows ;)
Indeed! And something that's been missed: even if he doesn't get a run out this year, he's available for 2009, and that was the major piece of news of Ziggy's scoop.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 04, 2008, 09:05:12 PM
Indeed! And something that's been missed: even if he doesn't get a run out this year, he's available for 2009, and that was the major piece of news of Ziggy's scoop.
Indeed, what a boost for next season (and hopefully a few more after that). Just need to steal Kyle Coney's passport and get Kieran Donaghy to come home to Tyrone and we're all set for world domination ;D.
Must admit I would still have a few concerns about SON coming back at this stage, would far rather he had returned a few weeks ago, but Mickey knows what he is doing. Ultimately if a player of the quality of SON says he is willing to come back onto the panel you can hardly say no. He is a great servant to the county and a well liked lad so I doubt the possible ill feeling amongst other players suggested by some on this thread will be an issue.
Tyrone posters.
Just a curio (and honestly not a s**t stir) - all reports are that the players were anxious for SON to join the panel. Am I right to presume that it was Mickey Harte asking them?
Quote from: Frank Casey on September 04, 2008, 10:36:43 PM
Tyrone posters.
Just a curio (and honestly not a s**t stir) - all reports are that the players were anxious for SON to join the panel. Am I right to presume that it was Mickey Harte asking them?
He explains the logistics of what happened in the radio interview posted a few pages back
Thanks GH
Quote from: Frank Casey on September 04, 2008, 10:36:43 PM
Tyrone posters.
Just a curio (and honestly not a s**t stir) - all reports are that the players were anxious for SON to join the panel. Am I right to presume that it was Mickey Harte asking them?
A summary Frank: it was 100% the players' decision, MH said this evening that it was a 'third party' who facilitated the reconciliation at the behest of the players, and that each and every player had to give their individual backing to it. That they did, and he was happy, very happy, that they did, and that no current squad member would lose out as a result.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 04, 2008, 10:48:00 PM
Quote from: Frank Casey on September 04, 2008, 10:36:43 PM
Tyrone posters.
Just a curio (and honestly not a s**t stir) - all reports are that the players were anxious for SON to join the panel. Am I right to presume that it was Mickey Harte asking them?
A summary Frank: it was 100% the players' decision, MH said this evening that it was a 'third party' who facilitated the reconciliation, but that each and every player had to give their individual backing to it. That they did, and he was happy, very happy, that they did, and that no current squad member would lose out as a result.
Interestingly Mickey also said that there was no reason for SON not to be on the panel other than injury, and retirement.
Why'd it take a third party then? Not that I'd doubt him for a minute.
Quote from: Puckoon on September 04, 2008, 10:50:04 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 04, 2008, 10:48:00 PM
Quote from: Frank Casey on September 04, 2008, 10:36:43 PM
Tyrone posters.
Just a curio (and honestly not a s**t stir) - all reports are that the players were anxious for SON to join the panel. Am I right to presume that it was Mickey Harte asking them?
A summary Frank: it was 100% the players' decision, MH said this evening that it was a 'third party' who facilitated the reconciliation, but that each and every player had to give their individual backing to it. That they did, and he was happy, very happy, that they did, and that no current squad member would lose out as a result.
Interestingly Mickey also said that there was no reason for SON not to be on the panel other than injury, and retirement.
Why'd it take a third party then? Not that I'd doubt him for a minute.
What does it take to be a third party
Puckoon? As a manager you're in a very tricky position, and can't be seen to be attempting to secure the services of some one individual who isn't a member of your current squad (who are the very best available, and it's not about who
might be available, but about who
is available).
Sometimes it just takes somebody a little outside the loop to say "c'mon lads what about it"
Still I reckon ye're worried about us :P
Fair enough.
Quote from: Frank Casey on September 04, 2008, 10:55:17 PM
Still I reckon ye're worried about us :P
Bricking it Frank, but you know what, we'll give it a right feckin' lash!
Quote from: paddypastit on September 04, 2008, 08:31:47 PM
As a nuetral I would love to see the imperious SO'N of previous years again and I hope that it is a move that works out in the sense of him making a positive contribution to the final... whether Tyrone wion or not.
However I don't buy the notion that this man is a saviour. While he was Player of the year in '05, he had a very bad day at the office against Dublin, twice - missing around him the first day and not even getting opportunities to miss the second day. Ultimately, without Canavan, that championshipo wouldf not have been won and fione player and all that O'Neill is, on the basis of the past, he needs others to make chances and even then he can be stopped.
It is a big gamble and fair play to Harte for having the balls to do it. No matter waht anyone says there will be players in that 30 that don't agree but the end justifies the means if you win.
One other point. A lot of posters here are commenting on Tom O'Sullivan. He played well last Sunday and was getting better as the game went on. He is one of the tightest craftiest and 'only do it when it matters' players around. If you're hoping for a Kerry back to come unstuck under pressure, he's not the man. He's well likely to have a shocker in a Q/F or qualifier or indeed all of the Musnster championship but you can expect him to be right up there in the AIF and uyou would not want him marking you.
Some good points there paddy.
Quote from: paddypastit on September 04, 2008, 08:31:47 PM
As a nuetral I would love to see the imperious SO'N of previous years again and I hope that it is a move that works out in the sense of him making a positive contribution to the final... whether Tyrone wion or not.
However I don't buy the notion that this man is a saviour. While he was Player of the year in '05, he had a very bad day at the office against Dublin, twice - missing around him the first day and not even getting opportunities to miss the second day. Ultimately, without Canavan, that championshipo wouldf not have been won and fione player and all that O'Neill is, on the basis of the past, he needs others to make chances and even then he can be stopped.
It is a big gamble and fair play to Harte for having the balls to do it. No matter waht anyone says there will be players in that 30 that don't agree but the end justifies the means if you win.
One other point. A lot of posters here are commenting on Tom O'Sullivan. He played well last Sunday and was getting better as the game went on. He is one of the tightest craftiest and 'only do it when it matters' players around. If you're hoping for a Kerry back to come unstuck under pressure, he's not the man. He's well likely to have a shocker in a Q/F or qualifier or indeed all of the Musnster championship but you can expect him to be right up there in the AIF and uyou would not want him marking you.
What he said
Quote from: Main Street on September 04, 2008, 04:24:52 PM
No one seriously believes he can get up to AI final standard, do they?
Tyrone have a very good team now, good enough to compete for an AI, what can a 50% - 60% fit player add to that apart from active moral support?
Yes, psychology is surely as important as physicality - especially in an All Ireland Final.
Also, he hasn't been lying about and isn't recovering from an injury. He may need to get up to speed for this level, but he may well be 100% fit otherwise.
Quote from: Frank Casey on September 04, 2008, 11:05:26 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 04, 2008, 10:57:18 PM
Bricking it Frank
Just as I expected.
Exactly. Now go to the Gleneagles in Killarney this Saturday after the 'mother' of all training sessions amongst the Kerry squad, and spread the word, please ;)
SON mightn't play a minute in the final..but it's taking the limelight off the likes of mccullagh and tommy mcguigan who are playing their first AIF as key forwards and free takers.maybe a smart move from harte?
as long as it makes tyrone better
what about midfield?
will holmes start?
cavanagh ff or mf?
SON aside - what way will they lineout?harte's bound to have some changes in mind
can't wait for this one!
I've read this thread from start til here and am surprised by Tyrone peoples confidence because of SON's return. I agree that he is a gr8 footballer but dont get carried away yet boys - us kerry folk are not counting any chickens yet even with the boost of the Warhorse and PG's return. The game will be very tight and maybe put your few bob (€uros or funny money) on a draw as we havent had one since 2000 and Oct 5th may be THE decision day.
Ziggy is not a happy bunny...
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 04, 2008, 11:18:27 PM
I've read this thread from start til here and am surprised by Tyrone peoples confidence because of SON's return. I agree that he is a gr8 footballer but dont get carried away yet boys - us kerry folk are not counting any chickens yet even with the boost of the Warhorse and PG's return. The game will be very tight and maybe put your few bob (€uros or funny money) on a draw as we havent had one since 2000 and Oct 5th may be THE decision day.
Dont mistake excitement for confidence, as for any real supporter with an ounce of sense, excitement is all it is. We could have ger calvan, peter canavan and frank mcguigan playing for us and we would still be cautious of a very very dangerous kerry side.
Indeed, uncontrollable excitement and uncontainable exuberance, do not an ounce of over-confidence make!
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Quote from: Puckoon on September 04, 2008, 11:21:20 PM
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 04, 2008, 11:18:27 PM
I've read this thread from start til here and am surprised by Tyrone peoples confidence because of SON's return. I agree that he is a gr8 footballer but dont get carried away yet boys - us kerry folk are not counting any chickens yet even with the boost of the Warhorse and PG's return. The game will be very tight and maybe put your few bob (€uros or funny money) on a draw as we havent had one since 2000 and Oct 5th may be THE decision day.
Dont mistake excitement for confidence, as for any real supporter with an ounce of sense, excitement is all it is. We could have ger calvan, peter canavan and frank mcguigan playing for us and we would still be cautious of a very very dangerous kerry side.
very true - i have wondered since 05 (and 03 before that) would there be the same buzz about getting to another final-in tyrone, contrary to some peoples opinions in and out of the county ;) , all ireland finals are still pretty new to us. i'm looking forward to this just as much, maybe more than before.i would say i'm confident in tyrone but it'll be a mighty battle to beat the kingdom.kerry are very, very dangerous
Come on Tyrone
Quote from: Puckoon on September 04, 2008, 11:21:20 PM
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 04, 2008, 11:18:27 PM
I've read this thread from start til here and am surprised by Tyrone peoples confidence because of SON's return. I agree that he is a gr8 footballer but dont get carried away yet boys - us kerry folk are not counting any chickens yet even with the boost of the Warhorse and PG's return. The game will be very tight and maybe put your few bob (€uros or funny money) on a draw as we havent had one since 2000 and Oct 5th may be THE decision day.
Dont mistake excitement for confidence, as for any real supporter with an ounce of sense, excitement is all it is. We could have ger calvan, peter canavan and frank mcguigan playing for us and we would still be cautious of a very very dangerous kerry side.
Ye's would still be interested in a gabshite like yon?
Seriously like?
My own thoughts on this Kerry side is that they are vastly overrated when you look at the great Kerry teams of the past. They had some proper opposition to getting the 3 in a rows that Kerry have achieved BUT not this squad. This squad have actually been lucky not to face a northern team in the final every year (Armagh/Tyrone) since 2000 especially. This Kerry squad are lucky to have achieved as much as they have. If it hadn't have been for injuries, Ulster wouldn't have let Kerry get even as much as one AI since 2000, or at the least Ulster teams as a whole would have made Kerry fight for them at final level.
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 04, 2008, 11:49:36 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on September 04, 2008, 11:21:20 PM
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 04, 2008, 11:18:27 PM
I've read this thread from start til here and am surprised by Tyrone peoples confidence because of SON's return. I agree that he is a gr8 footballer but dont get carried away yet boys - us kerry folk are not counting any chickens yet even with the boost of the Warhorse and PG's return. The game will be very tight and maybe put your few bob (€uros or funny money) on a draw as we havent had one since 2000 and Oct 5th may be THE decision day.
Dont mistake excitement for confidence, as for any real supporter with an ounce of sense, excitement is all it is. We could have ger calvan, peter canavan and frank mcguigan playing for us and we would still be cautious of a very very dangerous kerry side.
Ye's would still be interested in a gabshite like yon?
Seriously like?
.
Like him or loathe him, he was instrumental in 03, and his long range point taking was a joy to behold. His extra-curricular activities have nothing to do with my point.
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 04, 2008, 11:49:36 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on September 04, 2008, 11:21:20 PM
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 04, 2008, 11:18:27 PM
I've read this thread from start til here and am surprised by Tyrone peoples confidence because of SON's return. I agree that he is a gr8 footballer but dont get carried away yet boys - us kerry folk are not counting any chickens yet even with the boost of the Warhorse and PG's return. The game will be very tight and maybe put your few bob (€uros or funny money) on a draw as we havent had one since 2000 and Oct 5th may be THE decision day.
Dont mistake excitement for confidence, as for any real supporter with an ounce of sense, excitement is all it is. We could have ger calvan, peter canavan and frank mcguigan playing for us and we would still be cautious of a very very dangerous kerry side.
Ye's would still be interested in a gabshite like yon?
Seriously like?
if he was 28 yes
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My own thoughts on this Kerry side is that they are vastly overrated when you look at the great Kerry teams of the past. They had some proper opposition to getting the 3 in a rows that Kerry have achieved BUT not this squad. This squad have actually been lucky not to face a northern team in the final every year (Armagh/Tyrone) since 2000 especially. This Kerry squad are lucky to have achieved as much as they have. If it hadn't have been for injuries, Ulster wouldn't have let Kerry get even as much as one AI since 2000, or at the least Ulster teams as a whole would have made Kerry fight for them at final level.
they're as good as the celtic crosses they've got.1 in a row aint easy never mind two or three.
filthylittlebeast: can you lock this thread now please? (Enough about Stevie already, anything else should be in the context of the AIF (IMO))
Would suspect MH has made it a condition that SON returns for a considerable period of time i.e. next couple of seasons, in return for letting him return to the squad at this late stage. Would be foolish to suspect MH willl just let him return for the Final.
On a another point and I think it was touched on earlier, if the players vote was a public vote, I feel the players would been under pressure to publicly endorse his return - I suspect a secret ballet would, it not change the outcome, would have resulted in not such a strong endorsement. Anybody concur???
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 05, 2008, 12:13:56 AM
filthylittlebeast: can you lock this thread now please? (Enough about Stevie already, anything else should be in the context of the AIF (IMO))
i think discussion about him is grand as long as it has to do with his impact on the final and what it might or mightn't be. how he got there (or not) is irrelevant. it's a big story for a few days anyway
you're bound to be a bit intrigued?
Not every single player voted to have him back - if they did MH would have said so when he was asked but he avoided answering directly.
How fit is SON? Anyone see him play lately?
Go to this link and listen to the interview.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7597489.stm
Listen to the interview - when did anyone say "unanimous"?
Like everyone else posting here, I wasn't there when the players made their decision. However, Mickey was asked did every player to a man vote for SON's return and he dodged the question. He said he unequivocally felt the players made the right decision. He never used the word unanimous and I think I know an answer dodger when I hear one. That's just my opinion of course.
You shouldn't take yourself so seriously. And Drumquin?? :o
Quote from: Star Spangler on September 05, 2008, 12:41:17 AM
You shouldn't take yourself so seriously. And Drumquin?? :o
Whats wrong with the wolfe tones?
Sorry Puck, I had a brain-lapse, and thought that Star Spangler, who's done us the power of Tyrone good tonight, was a Drumquin man. Pat D'Arcy would be disgusted with me, to have confused a Drumquin man with a Tattyreagh man, but such is life ;)
Both prodigal sons are back .Me thinks they will be on the comfy seats with regular camera shots
Who wrote that?
Puke poetry
Given the time and effort he put in from 1997 to 2007, I believe he is entitled to walk back into that panel anytime he feels fit to do so. The agreement of the management and the players indicates the maturity and selfless nature of the squad members that they recognise his presence can only strengthen the squad.
As for the 3rd party getting involved, fair play to him or her for bringing it about. Gaelic football in general and Tyrone in particular can only be better off through their initiative.
Personally, I couldn't care less if Stephen plays or not in the final - that he pulls the jersey back on is something for us to celebrate - and it ups the ante for all concerned - best of luck to him.
Quote from: stephenite on September 05, 2008, 01:20:09 AM
Who wrote that?
Puke poetry
You have a point
stephenite, Maigh Eo abú! ;)
Have to side with thought that M Harte is trying to take media pressure off younger members. Don't know bout its worth but then again I thought he was wrong on Sean Cavanagh at ff...
Quotefilthylittlebeast: can you lock this thread now please? (Enough about Stevie already, anything else should be in the context of the AIF (IMO))
nooooo.....ffs, are you mad !.........this is big news and the implications should be discussed right up to the AI.
Quoteto have confused a Drumquin man with a Tattyreagh man
were not trilled either being confused with a tat man.
24 pages in about 24 hours shows just how big a story this really is !
Quote from: ziggysego on September 04, 2008, 07:17:00 PM
Ah for f**k sake mod! This is the second time in as many months when I don't get near a computer and I get screwed by the board.
First was the Georgia Caption Competition and now this. The f**king credit has been taken from me!
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Dont be like that ziggy
filthylittlebeast got in there before you
Better luck next time - eh :-\
Listen lads and ladies, im not trying to wind anyone up slag, but does anyone think that from a personal point, Stevie O Neill is glory Hunter, the lad is a top notch footballer, one of the best. but he opted out at the start of the year, then Tyrone get to the All Ireland final and he comes crawling back. and Mickey Harte and the Tyrone Panel are 100% right to welcome him back with open arms, but as a person i think he is making a dick out of himself
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Ha ha ha ! that's an excellent pic !! very good !! ;D ;D ;D
Here did anyone see the Belfast Telegraph's sport review the other day? talking about getting the story wrong !!! It talked about how Cavanagh had a back injury after playing last weeks semi final to Sligo !! HOW WRONG !!! 1. it was a hand injury ! 2. They weren't playing SLIGO !! Shouldn't these reporters try to get their stories straight before publishing the news??!! typical journalism..... !! :-\
i read it also and it stated how kerry would be afraid to play tyrone as they had never beaten tyrone in a final before!!! :D :D
change had to will and before to again :-* :-*
i dunno.... reporters eh.... !!! When Tyrone beats Kerry the same reporter will probably come out with some headline that Kerry beat Armagh or something equally as daft !!!!!
Any word of when the tickets are coming out???
flb should you not be back at school?
Quote from: filthylittlebeast on September 05, 2008, 10:32:10 AM
Ha ha ha ! that's an excellent pic !! very good !! ;D ;D ;D
Here did anyone see the Belfast Telegraph's sport review the other day? talking about getting the story wrong !!! It talked about how Cavanagh had a back injury after playing last weeks semi final to Sligo !! HOW WRONG !!! 1. it was a hand injury ! 2. They weren't playing SLIGO !! Shouldn't these reporters try to get their stories straight before publishing the news??!! typical journalism..... !! :-\
To be fair - it was widely reported that Sean hurt his back as well as his hand
From the Beeb
QuoteTyrone manager Mickey Harte is confident that Sean Cavanagh will be fit to play in the All-Ireland SFC Final against Kerry on 21 September.
Cavanagh was forced off in the second half of Sunday's semi-final win over Wexford because of a back injury and he also dislocated a finger in the game.
Down Gael : why would i be back at school? I only left it 10 years ago ! get a life and stop getting personal ! this is a discussion board for GAA only !!
I didn't realise he had injured his back also ! I thought it was just a hand injury. He's got the all clear though for the 21st so all in all it looks like Tyrone will have a great line up on the day !! Mickey is hoping for a triple and wouldn't it be great if they succeeded !!
Quote from: Onion Bag on September 05, 2008, 09:21:19 AM
Listen lads and ladies, im not trying to wind anyone up slag, but does anyone think that from a personal point, Stevie O Neill is glory Hunter, the lad is a top notch footballer, one of the best. but he opted out at the start of the year, then Tyrone get to the All Ireland final and he comes crawling back. and Mickey Harte and the Tyrone Panel are 100% right to welcome him back with open arms, but as a person i think he is making a dick out of himself
Yes I agree Stephen O'Neill is one of the best footballers bar Peter Canavan. He only opted out at the start of the year because he kept getting so many injuries and it wasn't fair to the team or to himself to keep playing which could have made the injuries worse. He did the correct thing. He respectfully retired from the football and nursed himself back to full health and he is in top notch form now so its only fair that he should be allowed back to the team for the Final. He didn't come crawling back. Various sources have said O'Neill constantly denied rumors of a return and it was the squad who finally got him to come back and why the hell shouldn't he? He has played fantastic football for the County for many years and why shouldn't he have one last shot of the AI ? He's getting on age wise now so this could be his last AI. :-[ :o
He is only 27, hardly getting on.
Quote from: Drumanee 1 on September 05, 2008, 03:03:36 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 05, 2008, 03:01:35 PM
He is only 27, hardly getting on.
29 in november
He cant be 29 in November, he played minor football in 1998 so do the maths ;)
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 05, 2008, 03:01:35 PM
He is only 27, hardly getting on.
Any chance of you apologising for your reamrk on McConville.
Irish News today says he was born in nov 1980...
Quote from: Drumanee 1 on September 05, 2008, 03:16:24 PM
Quote from: loughshore lad on September 05, 2008, 03:08:17 PM
Quote from: Drumanee 1 on September 05, 2008, 03:03:36 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 05, 2008, 03:01:35 PM
He is only 27, hardly getting on.
29 in november
He cant be 29 in November, he played minor football in 1998 so do the maths ;)
i think you should do the maths ::)
LL is right, you're wrong. He's 28 in November.
You're all wrong - he's 32 !!!!!!! ;)
Quote from: Drumanee 1 on September 05, 2008, 03:03:36 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 05, 2008, 03:01:35 PM
He is only 27, hardly getting on.
29 in november
No, hes 28 in november, the reporters have had it wrong all along. He was born in 80.
For everyone's information here:
Stephen O'Neill (born 19 November 1980) is a Irish Gaelic footballer who played full-forward for the Tyrone Senior football team. O'Neill announced his retirement from the Tyrone Gaelic football team in January 2008[1][2], but continues to play for club side Clann na nGael. His style of play is quite traditional as a full forward, often getting on the end of passes, and scoring with his preferred left foot. It's his superior physical strength that sets him apart from his peers, coupled with his agility on the ball, making him very difficult to mark.
So he's 29 in November !!
That was an article from Google... meant to just copy the DOB bit !!
Just on another note and reading that article again... who wants to bet that Kerry will try to take O'Neill out in the first half?? or as soon as he comes on they will try to injure him ??? !!
Quote from: filthylittlebeast on September 05, 2008, 03:31:15 PM
For everyone's information here:
Stephen O'Neill (born 19 November 1980) is a Irish Gaelic footballer who played full-forward for the Tyrone Senior football team. O'Neill announced his retirement from the Tyrone Gaelic football team in January 2008[1][2], but continues to play for club side Clann na nGael. His style of play is quite traditional as a full forward, often getting on the end of passes, and scoring with his preferred left foot. It's his superior physical strength that sets him apart from his peers, coupled with his agility on the ball, making him very difficult to mark.
So he's 29 in November !!
thankyou,my aviator says it all
Adjusting for the Gregorian calendar?
sure its doesn't matter what age he is , the most important thing is how is his beard going to look he only has 2 weeks growth compared to the rest of the boys who have maybe 10 weeks growth now if i was a tryone supporter thats what i'd be worried about ;)
he he .... the bearded county or wha ?!!
Quote from: filthylittlebeast on September 05, 2008, 03:31:15 PM
For everyone's information here:
Stephen O'Neill (born 19 November 1980) is a Irish Gaelic footballer who played full-forward for the Tyrone Senior football team. O'Neill announced his retirement from the Tyrone Gaelic football team in January 2008[1][2], but continues to play for club side Clann na nGael. His style of play is quite traditional as a full forward, often getting on the end of passes, and scoring with his preferred left foot. It's his superior physical strength that sets him apart from his peers, coupled with his agility on the ball, making him very difficult to mark.
So he's 29 in November !!
Surely if this is correct then it proves he's 28 in november?2008-1980=28 :D
I was born in 81, he was born in 80 so he's a year older than me which makes him 28 at the minute but he turns 29 in November.... ;D
Quote from: filthylittlebeast on September 05, 2008, 03:41:01 PM
I was born in 81, he was born in 80 so he's a year older than me which makes him 28 at the minute but he turns 29 in November.... ;D
yea but november hasnt quite come around yet so he hasn't turned 28 yet
he already is 28 !!!!!! I'm 27 and he's a year older than me.... !! ah enough already.... who cares wot age he is...... ur as young as the man you feel..... he he he he he ;)
Quote from: filthylittlebeast on September 05, 2008, 01:53:33 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on September 05, 2008, 09:21:19 AM
Listen lads and ladies, im not trying to wind anyone up slag, but does anyone think that from a personal point, Stevie O Neill is glory Hunter, the lad is a top notch footballer, one of the best. but he opted out at the start of the year, then Tyrone get to the All Ireland final and he comes crawling back. and Mickey Harte and the Tyrone Panel are 100% right to welcome him back with open arms, but as a person i think he is making a dick out of himself
Yes I agree Stephen O'Neill is one of the best footballers bar Peter Canavan. He only opted out at the start of the year because he kept getting so many injuries and it wasn't fair to the team or to himself to keep playing which could have made the injuries worse. He did the correct thing. He respectfully retired from the football and nursed himself back to full health and he is in top notch form now so its only fair that he should be allowed back to the team for the Final. He didn't come crawling back. Various sources have said O'Neill constantly denied rumors of a return and it was the squad who finally got him to come back and why the hell shouldn't he? He has played fantastic football for the County for many years and why shouldn't he have one last shot of the AI ? He's getting on age wise now so this could be his last AI. :-[ :o
All im saying is, if he had came back before the quarter final, or even the semi it wouldnt have been so bad, but to make an announcement 2 1/2 weeks before the biggest game of the year, i just think he is making a dick of himself
But sure he's really on in the past few weeks come back to full health.... how could he agree to come back when he was still recovering?? i know what you mean though... ::)
If he was born in November 1980 he is currently 27! sheesh!
Well from what i hear, he has been club football all year, so there could nt be much wrong with his health, it thought he got married there in Aug and that was the reason for pulling the pin, along with all the other rumours of fall outs with Mickey Harte and that
I went to school with SoN and he was a year below me. He's 27.
Jeez... u no something... ur actually right there... its a Friday afternoon and my brain is pickled at this late stage!!
Yea I heard about the fall outs with Mickey also.... who's to say Mickey won't keep him on the sidelines throughout the duration of the game! Has the final line out been decided yet??
I f**king hope he doesnt turn 29 in november, because it means I will too.
nope he turns 28... all that oil of ulay he's using must be doing the trick !!
I'm 29 at the end of the year and SoN is younger than me. 28.
UPDATE: SoN was back training with Tyrone last night. He was put through heavy training to see where abouts his fitness is. SoN was put through his paces and came through all with flying colours. SoN's fitness will now NOT be a barrier for him on the 21st. A different source, but just as reliable one. SoN IS fit for the final. :)
QuoteThis squad have actually been lucky not to face a northern team in the final every year (Armagh/Tyrone) since 2000 especially.
Not our fault that no Ulster team has been good enough to get past the quarter finals in the last few years, we cant be waiting around for ye to get a good team going when there are All Irelands to be won.
And lets not forget in our last 7 All Ireland winning years we have beaten the best of what Ulster has thrown up to us on our route to winning Sam again and again.
1985 bate Monaghan
1986 bate Tyrone
1997 bate Cavan
2000 bate Armagh
2004 bate Derry
2006 bate Armagh
2007 bate Monaghan
and in 2008 we have already beaten Monaghan.
Now away with your shite that Kerry can not beat Ulster teams
QuoteUPDATE: SoN was back training with Tyrone last night. He was put through heavy training to see where abouts his fitness is. SoN was put through his paces and came through all with flying colours. SoN's fitness will now NOT be a barrier for him on the 21st. A different source, but just as reliable one. SoN IS fit for the final.
Brilliant news, there is no point in him playing in the All Ireland if not fully fit.
Now the squad for the final should be 30 players and not the 31 or 32 that Tyrone have been putting out for every game this year. Who is going to lose out his place for O'Neill.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 05, 2008, 06:55:26 PM
QuoteUPDATE: SoN was back training with Tyrone last night. He was put through heavy training to see where abouts his fitness is. SoN was put through his paces and came through all with flying colours. SoN's fitness will now NOT be a barrier for him on the 21st. A different source, but just as reliable one. SoN IS fit for the final.
Brilliant news, there is no point in him playing in the All Ireland if not fully fit.
Now the squad for the final should be 30 players and not the 31 or 32 that Tyrone have been putting out for every game this year. Who is going to lose out his place for O'Neill.
My guess is Mickey Moynihan will make way and SoN will be maor uisce :P
Quick question for Kerry Mike......When is the last time Kerry beat Tyrone in the Championship?? ???
1986 me thinks, gave them a good lead at half time them we let Pat Spillane loose on them :P
That was the match which Kerry played with a blanket defence!! Pat Spillane was a fair defender !!!!
Quote from: noeldebrun on September 05, 2008, 12:45:46 AM
Quote from: Star Spangler on September 05, 2008, 12:24:14 AM
Not every single player voted to have him back - if they did MH would have said so when he was asked but he avoided answering directly.
How fit is SON? Anyone see him play lately?
about a fortnight ago he took part in an 86 mile cycle race thingy and he also has been doing a lot of cycling recently and apparently he has been top class in the matches he's played in
Apparently bike riding is great for the hamstrings. That's why they never had hammer problems in the 40s and 50s.
The whole thing is still extremely bizarre, but time to move on. My take is that a majority of players want O'Neill to be there after what he has contributed over the last 10 years (they all owe him one for '05) and O'Neill himself wants to be there. The obstacle that has prevented him from doing so has been put on the back burner for the sake of the side. I also feel Mickey relented in the name of team harmony, but also wants him there anyway.
It can only be positive and if we're not good enough with or without O'Neill so be it. I feel good about this one.
Sorry, what age did ye say Stephen O'Neill was again ?
Lads, done deal, move on, and close this fecking thread! Stevie's been cycling every night about 30 miles (at least).
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 04, 2008, 11:49:36 PM
My own thoughts on this Kerry side is that they are vastly overrated when you look at the great Kerry teams of the past. They had some proper opposition to getting the 3 in a rows that Kerry have achieved BUT not this squad. This squad have actually been lucky not to face a northern team in the final every year (Armagh/Tyrone) since 2000 especially. This Kerry squad are lucky to have achieved as much as they have. If it hadn't have been for injuries, Ulster wouldn't have let Kerry get even as much as one AI since 2000, or at the least Ulster teams as a whole would have made Kerry fight for them at final level.
Are Kerry now to blame because Ulster teams didn't get to those finals.
See below. At least we got some bit of real opposition on the way.
Should we denigrate any an every AI winner beause of some perceived flaw in their road to Croker. People, Glasshouses, Stones, etc.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 05, 2008, 06:53:14 PM
And lets not forget in our last 7 All Ireland winning years we have beaten the best of what Ulster has thrown up to us on our route to winning Sam again and again.
1985 bate Monaghan
1986 bate Tyrone
1997 bate Cavan
2000 bate Armagh
2004 bate Derry
2006 bate Armagh
2007 bate Monaghan
and in 2008 we have already beaten Monaghan.
Now away with your shite that Kerry can not beat Ulster teams
Away and learn how to use the quote box....ye auld shite ye :P
QuoteLads, done deal, move on, and close this fecking thread!
No way, this one is going to run and run :D :D
Tell us again how badly he's going to roast Tom O'Sullivan...should we put two players marking him ?...or maybe 3 ?
Honestly, I think we should put at least 2 players on him just to keep the score respectable.
It doesn't matter, stevie will roast youse no matter who you put on him
::) ::)
ok, whatever you say.
Quote from: Star Spangler on September 05, 2008, 07:52:24 PM
Quote from: noeldebrun on September 05, 2008, 12:45:46 AM
Quote from: Star Spangler on September 05, 2008, 12:24:14 AM
Not every single player voted to have him back - if they did MH would have said so when he was asked but he avoided answering directly.
How fit is SON? Anyone see him play lately?
about a fortnight ago he took part in an 86 mile cycle race thingy and he also has been doing a lot of cycling recently and apparently he has been top class in the matches he's played in
Apparently bike riding is great for the hamstrings. That's why they never had hammer problems in the 40s and 50s.
Mr Puke Football himself was partial to cycling one of them big black farmers' bikes up hills around Kerry when recovering from injury.
I believe you are mixing him up with Seamus Moynihan (Seamus referred to cycling an old bike around the hills of Glenflesk when recovering from injury)...Pat Spillane used to swim across Kenmare bay when recovering from his injuries.
Quote« Last Edit: Today at 06:42:03 AM by Mike Sheehy »
Mike do you never go to bed???
yes..right about now, just gone midnight in Hawaii......Aloha auinapo
SON will be 28 in November.
Stephen coming back will be nothing but good for Tyrone coming into this final. People suggesting that players might be disgruntled for fear they might loose their place, won't be a distraction as much as opposed to the confidence it will bring to the panel having a man of that caliber in the ranks.
Willie O Connor ex Kilkenny Hurler once said that he would rather be fresh than fit. Stephen O Neill's appetite must be back when he is willing to commit again. The break will have done him good. Also the other side of the coin is that it presents Kerry with an other headache.
Good job your from Louth then! ::)
I hope you're shouting for our opponents again in the final ML, I believe you have a 100% record in being wrong where Tyrone are involved so far this year :P
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on September 06, 2008, 03:33:55 PM
Stephen coming back will be nothing but good for Tyrone coming into this final. People suggesting that players might be disgruntled for fear they might loose their place, won't be a distraction as much as opposed to the confidence it will bring to the panel having a man of that caliber in the ranks.
Willie O Connor ex Kilkenny Hurler once said that he would rather be fresh than fit. Stephen O Neill's appetite must be back when he is willing to commit again. The break will have done him good. Also the other side of the coin is that it presents Kerry with an other headache.
Here here !! Well said !! ;)
5th Amendment, but let's just say that the wider fraternity had us at even longer odds against in '03 and '05.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 06, 2008, 05:30:57 PM
I hope you're shouting for our opponents again in the final ML, I believe you have a 100% record in being wrong where Tyrone are involved so far this year :P
You do like to keep tabs.
TYRONE ABU
;)
There are many counties that can't grasp the whole concept of the cohesion and unity of this Tyrone squad, and consequently can't conceive of anything other than a disruption where the like of Stevie returning at this juncture is concerned. It's our blessing, and perhaps our secret.
::) ::) jesus, listen to ye'reselves....its sounding more and more like the stuff we used to hear from the Armagh bies.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 06, 2008, 11:23:42 AM
yes..right about now, just gone midnight in Hawaii......Aloha auinapo
How you can be living over there and still be all bitter and twisted is beyond me Mike Sheehy! You must not be getting enough Poi.
not living here, just visting
and, as usual, you can rely on the Tyrone man to resort to the personal insults.
Ack now I wouldnt call what I said insulting. Couldnt see that falling into one of the rule breaking categories... however, regarding insults - didnt you just compare us to "them armagh bies"?
Lighten up - yer in an all ireland final.
I'm getting a bit worried about all this cohesion and bonding in the Tyrone squad. If you see them going into a pool room together, make sure there are no photographers about.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 07, 2008, 03:17:25 AM
not living here, just visting
and, as usual, you can rely on the Tyrone man to resort to the personal insults.
Easy there Puck, this man is in a delicate condition at the minute.
How would you be calling him 'bitter and twisted', that's outrageous, I mean it's not like he made the time to come on the board and slag off Tyrone during his vacation in Hawaii??
QuoteI mean it's not like he made the time to come on the board and slag off Tyrone during his vacation in Hawaii??
and its not like you to crawl out of whatever rock you live under to slag off Kerry
Boys and girls, will half off you go away and catch yourselves on. I know for a fact, and it was not Pete Donnelly who told me, that all the players did not agree with Stevie returning but they decided that the majority rules. One player actually said "if he comes back and gets on before me, I wont be inthe city west on Sunday night".
It is also interesting to note (bearing in mind they always go against the flow anyway) that at a question and answers night in Carrickmore in Saturday night Sean Kelly actually put the vote to a packed Parochial hall as to whether it was right or not that Stephen returned. The response was very much split. Bernard Flynn, who was on the panel, said Sean Boylan would have had a mutiny on his hands if it happen in his day.
Heard there was an in house game on Saturday or Sunday and that Stevie played very well indeed.
Could he start ?
Quote from: tieroan on September 08, 2008, 08:58:39 AM
Boys and girls, will half off you go away and catch yourselves on. I know for a fact, and it was not Pete Donnelly who told me, that all the players did not agree with Stevie returning but they decided that the majority rules. One player actually said "if he comes back and gets on before me, I wont be inthe city west on Sunday night".
It is also interesting to note (bearing in mind they always go against the flow anyway) that at a question and answers night in Carrickmore in Saturday night Sean Kelly actually put the vote to a packed Parochial hall as to whether it was right or not that Stephen returned. The response was very much split. Bernard Flynn, who was on the panel, said Sean Boylan would have had a mutiny on his hands if it happen in his day.
It kind of did happen when Colm Coyle was brought back into the panel at a late stage during the championship years ago. Can't remember when exactly (Hardy or one of the lads might know) but I think he had been in America for a while. I believe he got some doing in his first training session.
Lyons, Harnan & Co. were lining up to welcome him back. ;D
QuoteSean Kelly actually put the vote to a packed Parochial hall as to whether it was right or not that Stephen returned.
A dirty, hairy wee Kerryman trying to stir up dissention in Tyrone. Now there's a surprise. ;D
Jaysus ye Tyrone lads are fierce touchy these days, doesnt take much to make you "anti tyrone".
All this hoop la about Tyrone having the strongest bond and team spirit etc etc is a bit silly. Stop hyping everything up about your team to legendary proportions, its impossible to compare one teams "bond" with anothers, just say theres a good team spirit and leave it there, no need to get carried away.
I do have a lot of time for Tyrone, but its that sort of talk that annoys me sometimes. One of the best sets of fans in the country imo, but tend to hype things too much. Things like a decent shoulder in a game (Cavanagh on Bellew) being spoken of years later in legendary terms is a bit cringeworthy to be honest.
And ye say us are the ones for hyping our team up!
That and the angry and sometimes abusive replies to the slightest mild criticism on here would be the only issues I would have with an otherwise great set of supporters.
Quote from: his holiness nb on September 08, 2008, 01:22:25 PM
I do have a lot of time for Tyrone, but its that sort of talk that annoys me sometimes. One of the best sets of fans in the country imo, but tend to hype things too much. Things like a decent shoulder in a game (Cavanagh on Bellew) being spoken of years later in legendary terms is a bit cringeworthy to be honest.
:D Amen to that.
Quote from: his holiness nb on September 08, 2008, 01:22:25 PM
Jaysus ye Tyrone lads are fierce touchy these days, doesnt take much to make you "anti tyrone".
Hmmm, that sounds like anti-Tyrone talk to me.
HHN, the reality is that you are pigeon holing the majority of Tyrone support by whats a few people are posting.
The reality is that most feel it will be a very tight game. Some have a confidence that Tyrone will one but not the extent that things are blown out of proportion.
As you always say about the dubs , dont Judge the hill by some of the idiots on it !
PS. IMO i thought the hit on whelan was better ;)
Quote from: Bensars on September 08, 2008, 01:33:06 PM
HHN, the reality is that you are pigeon holing the majority of Tyrone support by whats a few people are posting.
Ah jaysus I thought it was obvious I wasnt referring to every single Tyrone fan. Of course I didnt mean that. Just a proportion of the posters on here, and I'm not exactly calling them evil or anything. ;) Just a mild criticism.
Of course being a Dub, I'd know all about being tarred with the one brush and wouldnt do it to another counties fans.
Jinxy - 1988, I think it was that Coyle went to Chicago and then came back well into the championship. I can't remember when exactly - before a big game - either the Leinster final or the AIF. I should remember better - I've just finished re-reading Hayes's book where it's covered, but the ould brain won't dredge it up and the book is out on loan.
Kerry not concerned about O'Neill - Ó Sé
Tuesday, September 16
Kerry are solely focused on their own game and are not unduly concerned by the return of Stephen O'Neill to the Tyrone panel, according to Tomás Ó Sé.
Indeed, the An Gaeltacht man believes that - with or without their returning star - Tyrone will pose a massive challenge to the defending champions on Sunday.
"As a footballer, [Stephen] is one of the best of the last 10 years. He is a very difficult forward to mark. I don't know what the angle is with his coming back.
"I wouldn't expect him to start. I would expect him to come in and give the Tyrone crowd and team a bit of a lift. But we're not really concerned about it. We have no plans for it," Ó Sé told the Irish Examiner.
The Kingdom veteran is well aware of the dangers that the Ulster side will threaten with, adding: "Had Tyrone been in the position Cork were against us in the second half of the semi-final, we would have been beaten.
"Tyrone are the best in the country in coming forward, supporting fellas and hand-passing. They rarely kick the ball away.
"They have a big full-forward [in Sean Cavanagh] inside and they rarely kick a high ball into him. They rarely hit a loose ball, which will make it harder for us to get a few turnovers."
Ó Sé concluded: "Any time Kerry are in an All-Ireland final you want to win it.
"It doesn't matter who is above there in Croke Park, whether it is Dublin or Tyrone or Mayo or Armagh. We will play whoever is there. Just because it is Tyrone doesn't mean we want it more than any other year."
oooooohhhhh I get the faint impression that the Kerry men are doubtful of a win on Sunday !!
I heard a rumour today that O'Neill isnt really back, and was used to divert the attention off the rest of the tyrone squad in the build up to the game.
Does he have a beard?
Don't think so! he's too well groomed to have one!!
On the official portraits - no he doesn't
Why they wearing the old shirts for the portraits?
So really the main reason SON came back is so that he could get Mon and Tues of school.
I like his thinking ;)
Quote from: fred the red on September 16, 2008, 06:49:09 PM
I heard a rumour today that O'Neill isnt really back, and was used to divert the attention off the rest of the tyrone squad in the build up to the game.
;D
does anyone know did he lift the cup with the rest of the players as i read in the papers today that he did not.
Don't think he did. Heard this morning he didn't hang around today either and left hotel early.
Anyone know if he's at the homecoming?
Will O`Neill get a medal?
Quote from: Down Gael on September 22, 2008, 07:38:58 PM
Will O`Neill get a medal?
Yes he does.
I heard the following today from someone at UTV - Oneill had gone down the tunnel on his own at the end as he didnt want to go up for the cup, as he didnt feel he deserved it, He was "dragged" back by Mugsy and ANOther as the whole team wanted him there. The two players reportedly told oneill that "if it wasnt for him they wouldnt have had medals in 2005 , so they were happy to return the favour this time round"
might be untrue, might not
It says it all about SON really. He is obviously a man of great integrity, honour and humility. Not immune to the criticism that came his way after his declaration of intent to return to the panel, he appeared to suffer from some degree of personal inner turmoil at the final whistle and during the presentation.
Word has it that he insisted to management that he didnt want a medal at the expense of any other panelist.
He has more class and humility than some of the hounds that took pleasure in stirring the crap after his return - and the faceless nameless posters on GAABOARD who were all too happy to assume that Stephen O'Neill is some kind of glory hunter.
Quote from: Puckoon on September 22, 2008, 08:13:31 PM
It says it all about SON really. He is obviously a man of great integrity, honour and humility. Not immune to the criticism that came his way after his declaration of intent to return to the panel, he appeared to suffer from some degree of personal inner turmoil at the final whistle and during the presentation.
Word has it that he insisted to management that he didnt want a medal at the expense of any other panelist.
He has more class and humility than some of the hounds that took pleasure in stirring the crap after his return - and the faceless nameless posters on GAABOARD who were all too happy to assume that Stephen O'Neill is some kind of glory hunter.
Very eloquently put Puck
Twas one of the southern papers that had an article on the aftermath of the game in Croke. They said he sauntered alone on to the bus and opened a book to read whilst the others gave interviews etc.
Jermone Quinn gives a diff take on it on the bbc website.
So it's all over, Tyrone did it with Stephen O'Neill on board, Mickey Harte is vindicated and everybody's happy.
Well, not quite. Stevie himself was very emotional at the end and seemed to want to leave the celebrations before the presentation of the cup.
He was heading down the tunnel when team-mates hauled him back.
The Tyrone number 31 was heard to say "I'm not in it for the glory", which tallies with my information that Stevie insisted privately before Sunday that he didn't want to collect a medal, no matter what the outcome was.
I gather he was offended by adverse comments in some quarters about his much-publicised return just weeks before.
The begrudgers said he would be taking the place of another lad who had trained all year for the right to be in the squad on the big day.
It's a fair point but Stevie's not like that. He offered his services on the condition that the players would make the call. He just wanted to help get Tyrone over the line, in any way he could.
As for the timing, it wasn't great. Stevie could have come back earlier and I hear that he wished he had returned before the Wexford game or even the Quarter-final with Dublin. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Back in January, the fella made a brave decision to opt out of the panel.
Some supporters couldn't understand or accept it at face value, but the simple fact is that O'Neill made the right move for himself and for Tyrone.
The fans remembered him as the dazzling forward who won Player of the Year in 2005 but the truth is that injuries restricted O'Neill to just one championship start in the three years since then.
It was a nightmare time and the man needed a break.
His return was a massive gamble but it worked because Tyrone won and because Stevie played his part.
Overall, he was poor enough, but Harte can justly point to one flash of brilliance when O'Neill played a Canavan-like pass for the crucial Tyrone goal.
Furthermore, his entrance provided a lift and distracted attention from the potentially lethal blow of Colm McCullagh's departure.
For those of you who might debate this point, I refer you to the 1986 All Ireland final when injuries to key players coincided with Tyrone's collapse against Kerry.
I felt sorry for O'Neill at the end because he was obviously distressed. He's an intensely sincere lad and I think the pressure of the last few weeks finally told.
Mind you, some of that pressure could have been lifted if Stevie had given just one interview.
He doesn't like doing them and he preferred to keep his head down and answer the sceptics on the pitch, but that brought even more pressure onto his shoulders.
If he'd declared that he was simply back to help and that he didn't want to deny anyone a medal, then things might have been slightly easier on himself.
As it was, Stevie avoided the media in the build-up to the game and must have had a torrid time with all the talk about his return, which was fuelled by the confusion over the squad given to the media last Thursday.
That didn't help, and then he found himself off the pace in the game itself.
So give Stevie a break. He put himself on the line for his county when it would have easier to stay away.
The man is a legend in Tyrone, and even better, he's back for next season.
Quote from: Puckoon on September 22, 2008, 08:13:31 PM
It says it all about SON really. He is obviously a man of great integrity, honour and humility. Not immune to the criticism that came his way after his declaration of intent to return to the panel, he appeared to suffer from some degree of personal inner turmoil at the final whistle and during the presentation.
Word has it that he insisted to management that he didnt want a medal at the expense of any other panelist.
He has more class and humility than some of the hounds that took pleasure in stirring the crap after his return - and the faceless nameless posters on GAABOARD who were all too happy to assume that Stephen O'Neill is some kind of glory hunter.
Out of all the celebrations, I wouldn't have expected to see the biggest show of humility to be from O'Neill. I am happy to be wrong in that as it shows he is a man of character. I never put him down as a glory hunter though, to me he always had an air of humility about him. Now, if only he could teach that to others in the Tyrone squad and their supporters, then I could
maybe say that they were worthy winners, even for the fact that at several points I thought I was watching an Olympics swimming event
Bowl of sour grapes for ardmhachaabu :P
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 22, 2008, 10:21:16 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on September 22, 2008, 08:13:31 PM
It says it all about SON really. He is obviously a man of great integrity, honour and humility. Not immune to the criticism that came his way after his declaration of intent to return to the panel, he appeared to suffer from some degree of personal inner turmoil at the final whistle and during the presentation.
Word has it that he insisted to management that he didnt want a medal at the expense of any other panelist.
He has more class and humility than some of the hounds that took pleasure in stirring the crap after his return - and the faceless nameless posters on GAABOARD who were all too happy to assume that Stephen O'Neill is some kind of glory hunter.
Out of all the celebrations, I wouldn't have expected to see the biggest show of humility to be from O'Neill. I am happy to be wrong in that as it shows he is a man of character. I never put him down as a glory hunter though, to me he always had an air of humility about him. Now, if only he could teach that to others in the Tyrone squad and their supporters, then I could maybe say that they were worthy winners, even for the fact that at several points I thought I was watching an Olympics swimming event
It was five years ago ... get over it, move on with your life, try to be positive, take a walk in the beautiful Armagh countryside, breathe in the air and listen to the birds sing, you'll feel better for it, honestly :-*
Quote from: maggie on September 22, 2008, 10:25:33 PM
Bowl of sour grapes for ardmhachaabu :P
Maybe something to go with that chip on his shoulder.
did not see him tonight in omagh. great to see him in a tyrone top in croker and hopefully we will see him next year wearing it at the same venue.
Gerry did you manage to get a ticket?
got offered one on here from muzz late on saturday night and then got offered another one on sunday morning, unfortunately i had to much of the guinness, vod and red bull the night before to take up either offer.
went to my local instead and then into omagh last night for a few beers after the win.
hope to get to the goal match on wednesday night
Nice to see Stephen back in Tyrone jersey, a great role model for the kids in tyrone. May not have had a great day yesterday, but showed great character. A genuine individual who would be embarrased accepting a medal, that i am sure no one would begrudge him
Some of those injuries that I was reading about have been truly horrific.
But there is no such thing as a written off Tyrone crock, they just stick the parts back together, close enough to the original position and let the player get it to work like it use to.
Conventional body science has been surpassed by O'Neill and those other lads in rehab to heal exceptionally well and fit enough to reach an all Ireland final standard.
The mere presence of those two lads on the Tyrone subs bench was a testament to honest dedication and an inspiration to all.
I think Stephen will come back with a vengance next season. He will be determined to prove the begrudgers wrong. Expect to see him giving it everything next season which is great news for Tyrone supporters.
Quote from: sam03/05 on September 23, 2008, 11:10:19 AM
I think Stephen will come back with a vengance next season. He will be determined to prove the begrudgers wrong. Expect to see him giving it everything next season which is great news for Tyrone supporters.
Great to see him back and I'm really looking forward to seeing him play a full part in the title defence.
at his best he is worth the admission fee alone
O'Neill 'will not accept' medal
O'Neill denied that he quit the squad after a row with Mickey Harte
Tyrone football star Stephen O'Neill has revealed that he has not accepted and "will not" pick up the 2008 All-Ireland medal he is entitled to.
In an exclusive BBC Sport interview, O'Neill said that he "did not earn" the All-Ireland medal.
"I was only there for the two weeks before the final and I did not deserve to be going up these steps," he said.
O'Neill denied that a row with Mickey Harte had provoked his decision to quit the Tyrone squad last January.
"There was definitely no row with Mickey over training or anything else.
"I said to Mickey when I met him in August:`I can't go back now, it is too late, it will just upset the whole thing'.
"If Tyrone had lost I was going to be hung out to dry.
"I knew I had to prove that I was fit enough to do it and wasn't just coming back for the glory as some people were saying."
O'Neill, one of the most gifted players of his generation, sensationally quit the intercounty scene last January but he made a surprise decision to return to the squad two weeks before the All-Ireland decider.
It was a decision which divided opinion in his native county of Tyrone and provoked major debate among GAA fans throughout Ulster and beyond.
Cant understand this, he jumped on the band wagon so he may as well go the whole way and pick up his medal,
He didn't jump on the band wagon, he was wanted back.
We have all been down this road before, in January-February time he turned his back on Tyrone and told them he was quitting, had he thought at that time Tyrone would now be sitting as All Ireland Champions, do you honestly think he would have quit? he doubted Tyrones ability to win a 3rd All Ireland, so he made the decision
The Tyrone season started slowly and then took off with some magnificent displays in croker, he liked what he was seeing, wanted a piece of it, and came crawling back,
So as i say, he might as well go the whole hog and pick up his medal!
You haven't a clue. You don't know the man, so you can't second guess his motives. SoN is a very modest man and can no way be confused with a glory hunter.
Quote from: Onion Bag on November 27, 2008, 08:38:27 AM
Cant understand this, he jumped on the band wagon so he may as well go the whole way and pick up his medal,
You just don't understand.
Well can someone enlighten me then. BTW im not having a pop at SON its just the way it looks,
Can any of you honestly answer this question,
Back in January when he made his decision, Had SON known that Tyrone would have been contesting the All Irelnad Final, do you honestly think he would have made the same decision?
Quote from: Onion Bag on November 27, 2008, 08:50:01 AM
We have all been down this road before, in January-February time he turned his back on Tyrone and told them he was quitting, had he thought at that time Tyrone would now be sitting as All Ireland Champions, do you honestly think he would have quit? he doubted Tyrones ability to win a 3rd All Ireland, so he made the decision
The Tyrone season started slowly and then took off with some magnificent displays in croker, he liked what he was seeing, wanted a piece of it, and came crawling back,
So as i say, he might as well go the whole hog and pick up his medal!
That's an extremely unfair opinion on the situation OB (all be it an opinion, of which you are entitled to..). It was well docemented at the time that SON retired for physical reasons i.e. the man was wracked from paying football constantly since he was 14/15 years old.. If you firmly belive the media, which you must based on your claims above then read the following quotes:
"McGinley believes that O'Neill's nagging fear that his absence might cost the Red Hands a third All-Ireland title convinced him that he had no option but to return to Mickey Harte's squad."
"What was haunting him the most was the thought of being in the stand on All-Ireland Final day and watching the match and maybe Tyrone losing by a point or two points and maybe supporters saying to him:'What weren't you out there'.
"Deep down in his heart he wouldn't have had an answer that would have satisfied them and for the rest of the days he would have been thinking:'What if'.
"The team probably would have been thinking:'What if' as well.
"You want at all times in sport to avoid that kind of scenario. That meant he had to take a pretty courageous decision to put himself forward again and the team took him back with open arms."
"I was only there for the two weeks before the final and I did not deserve to be going up those steps," he said.
"If Tyrone had lost I was going to be hung out to dry."
Quote from: Onion Bag on November 27, 2008, 09:00:58 AM
Well can someone enlighten me then. BTW im not having a pop at SON its just the way it looks,
Can any of you honestly answer this question,
Back in January when he made his decision, Had SON known that Tyrone would have been contesting the All Irelnad Final, do you honestly think he would have made the same decision?
Can you honestly answer that question?
The difference is that those best qualified to answer that question think he would have. It is of no importance anyway.
I believe he still would have left the team. He has been suffering from recurring injuries and he knew if he had continued with the year, the injuries could have worsten for himself. He also wanted to be match fit, which at the time he admitted he wasn't. The media and and 'fans' with too with time on their hands them started a story about a falling out with MH, with snowballed as the year progressed.
Thats fair enough, yous are obviously closer to the man than i am, so yous know the score.
Quote from: ziggysego on November 27, 2008, 09:05:29 AM
He also wanted to be match fit, which at the time he admitted he wasn't.
I am not against SoN, and admire his stance on this, but the above statement is a load of sh1te.
How many players are 'match fit' at this time of the year?
QuoteNow, if only he could teach that to others in the Tyrone squad and their supporters, then I could maybe say that they were worthy winners, even for the fact that at several points I thought I was watching an Olympics swimming event
From 1984 to 1999 some Armagh supporters stood outside in the footballing wilderness throwing sour grapes at their superior neighbours.
Looks like its come full-circle again.
Think positively lads and keep telling yourselves it won't be another 15 years until you are at the top table again. ;)
QuoteWe have all been down this road before, in January-February time he turned his back on Tyrone and told them he was quitting, had he thought at that time Tyrone would now be sitting as All Ireland Champions, do you honestly think he would have quit? he doubted Tyrones ability to win a 3rd All Ireland, so he made the decision
The Tyrone season started slowly and then took off with some magnificent displays in croker, he liked what he was seeing, wanted a piece of it, and came crawling back,
So as i say, he might as well go the whole hog and pick up his medal!
Knocking on from what Ziggy said, SON had been battling away through 2006 and 2007 a shadow of himself due to knee and hamstring issues that everyone is aware off. Imagine how demoralising it was for him to constantly face recurrence of the same injury over that period. He would miss most games, be fired on as a sub here and there and when on he, as would the spectators, realised that he wasn't doing himself justice by attempting to play at 60%. The man wanted to get away from the glare of the public eye and attempt to get a decent run this season with his club with the hope that he could recuperate in the background, and get back to his best.
QuoteI am not against SoN, and admire his stance on this, but the above statement is a load of sh1te.
How many players are 'match fit' at this time of the year
I think you might be slightly misinterpretating how he is using the word 'fit' - I would say SON simply meant that he wanted to be back in a condition to play football, as opposed to having a constant battle with the aforementioned injuries. A bit different than a lad in January struggling to run a mile after a winter of Chineses and bottles of Buckfast with an expanding waistline hitting 38 inches.
Such gracious winners ::)
I agree with fullback, that time of year is used for fitness and getting your match fitness back so thats a bollix excuse.
It was clear that he was voted back in to the panel by the players which is fair enough, no fairer way of doing it! However, the thing that annoyed me was that it was fine for all the defenders, the keepers, the midfielders and the forwards sure of their place to want him back, but those forwards who were on the bench with the hope of making an appearance must have found it hard to stomach, and obviously couldnt speak out against the majority. Months and months of training for SoN to walk back in and ushered up the pecking order!
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 27, 2008, 09:19:18 AM
QuoteWe have all been down this road before, in January-February time he turned his back on Tyrone and told them he was quitting, had he thought at that time Tyrone would now be sitting as All Ireland Champions, do you honestly think he would have quit? he doubted Tyrones ability to win a 3rd All Ireland, so he made the decision
The Tyrone season started slowly and then took off with some magnificent displays in croker, he liked what he was seeing, wanted a piece of it, and came crawling back,
So as i say, he might as well go the whole hog and pick up his medal!
Knocking on from what Ziggy said, SON had been battling away through 2006 and 2007 a shadow of himself due to knee and hamstring issues that everyone is aware off. Imagine how demoralising it was for him to constantly face recurrence of the same injury over that period. He would miss most games, be fired on as a sub here and there and when on he, as would the spectators, realised that he wasn't doing himself justice by attempting to play at 60%. The man wanted to get away from the glare of the public eye and attempt to get a decent run this season with his club with the hope that he could recuperate in the background, and get back to his best.
QuoteI am not against SoN, and admire his stance on this, but the above statement is a load of sh1te.
How many players are 'match fit' at this time of the year
I think you might be slightly misinterpretating how he is using the word 'fit' - I would say SON simply meant that he wanted to be back in a condition to play football, as opposed to having a constant battle with the aforementioned injuries. A bit different than a lad in January struggling to run a mile after a winter of Chineses and bottles of Buckfast with an expanding waistline hitting 38 inches.
So his intention was always to return later in the year after getting back to his best?
Quote from: under the bar on November 27, 2008, 09:15:38 AM
QuoteNow, if only he could teach that to others in the Tyrone squad and their supporters, then I could maybe say that they were worthy winners, even for the fact that at several points I thought I was watching an Olympics swimming event
From 1984 to 1999 some Armagh supporters stood outside in the footballing wilderness throwing sour grapes at their superior neighbours.
Looks like its come full-circle again.
Think positively lads and keep telling yourselves it won't be another 15 years until you are at the top table again. ;)
What is your problem UTB with all the snide comments, who is even talking about Armagh here, really do think you have a chip on your shoulder with Armagh
QuoteSo his intention was always to return later in the year after getting back to his best?
Nobody but the man himself can inform us if he intended to come back or when but I think that he never permanently retired and he was probably hopeful of coming back into the squad for the summer if he hadn't encountered any injury problems again. I would say it would have been difficult for him to attempt to rejoin the squad as the season progressed and if it hadn't been for the players asking him back, which he was reluctant to do, then he wouldn't have came back at all. I think his decision was a brave one as he would have been aware of all the begrudgers out there, and to be honest its the way society is that people can't see a mans actions in a positive and benevolent light instead accusing him of being a glory hunter. It took some cohones to brave the attention he did through his return to the panel in the circumstance it happened.
A woeful number of totally clueless and ignorant comments here about the man, from the usual suspects of course! :P
QuoteWhat is your problem UTB with all the snide comments, who is even talking about Armagh here, really do think you have a chip on your shoulder with Armagh
For a chip on the shoulder look to your right then to your countyman Ard Mhaca Abu. It was 5 years ago, GET OVER IT!
No idea what you are talking about, any possiblity you could enlighten me?
Quote from: full back on November 27, 2008, 09:09:22 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on November 27, 2008, 09:05:29 AM
He also wanted to be match fit, which at the time he admitted he wasn't.
I am not against SoN, and admire his stance on this, but the above statement is a load of sh1te.
How many players are 'match fit' at this time of the year?
Sorry full back, didn't explain myself well there did I.
He had been under-performing in 2006 & 2007 due to injuries. He knew it, Tyrone knew it and the wider country knew it. He tried to recover from it, but playing constant inter-county football for 14 years or so, was bound to bring it's toll. When I said match fit, he knew with the injuries he never would be. So he pulled out for the good of his own health and for the good of Tyrone football.
This is the same argument which we had before. There is nothing new to be said we are just recycling here.
On the point about accepting the medal - it is a personal decision he made (it has nothing to do with anyone else) and therefore the right decision.
Personally I don't think it is the right decision. I don't have much of an issue with the entire saga and don't have any sort of problem with the man himself. But if he came back for those last few weeks, trained and played a part in the final he may as well take the medal. He will regret it in years to come. I don't see how not accepting it or accepting it will change anything!
QuoteQuote from: under the bar on Today at 09:15:38 AM
Quote
Now, if only he could teach that to others in the Tyrone squad and their supporters, then I could maybe say that they were worthy winners, even for the fact that at several points I thought I was watching an Olympics swimming event
From 1984 to 1999 some Armagh supporters stood outside in the footballing wilderness throwing sour grapes at their superior neighbours.
Looks like its come full-circle again.
Think positively lads and keep telling yourselves it won't be another 15 years until you are at the top table again.
What is your problem UTB with all the snide comments, who is even talking about Armagh here, really do think you have a chip on your shoulder with Armagh
Why would anyone in Tyrone have a chip on their shoulder concerning the big game bottlers of armagh??? :P :P
I honestly believe that if SON had stayed with the squad through the entire summer then we would not have won our
third. master stroke, took the pressure off himself, lowered expectation on the team and quietly reached the 1/4s. Blew dublin team off the croke park hinges, blitzed wexford in the first half and powered our way to the third!!!
a lot of people should hang their heads over this issue. looking back through the tyrone club website there was a lot of boys who used the SON branch to beat at Harte. One in paticular in here, who should really be over on the hoganstand website. at the time there were some rumours circulating and some of it was badly out of line!!!
its hard to understand why this is still an issue.....you Tyrone lads are so up your own backsides its hard to believe
This navel gazing, as always, will be your biggest weakness when you attempt to defend the crown. I predict another qtr final exit
You Kerry boys still trying to tell us how to win an AI?
Quote from: Final Whistle on November 27, 2008, 10:30:41 AM
QuoteQuote from: under the bar on Today at 09:15:38 AM
Quote
Now, if only he could teach that to others in the Tyrone squad and their supporters, then I could maybe say that they were worthy winners, even for the fact that at several points I thought I was watching an Olympics swimming event
From 1984 to 1999 some Armagh supporters stood outside in the footballing wilderness throwing sour grapes at their superior neighbours.
Looks like its come full-circle again.
Think positively lads and keep telling yourselves it won't be another 15 years until you are at the top table again.
What is your problem UTB with all the snide comments, who is even talking about Armagh here, really do think you have a chip on your shoulder with Armagh
Why would anyone in Tyrone have a chip on their shoulder concerning the big game bottlers of armagh??? :P :P
I honestly believe that if SON had stayed with the squad through the entire summer then we would not have won our third. master stroke, took the pressure off himself, lowered expectation on the team and quietly reached the 1/4s. Blew dublin team off the croke park hinges, blitzed wexford in the first half and powered our way to the third!!!
a lot of people should hang their heads over this issue. looking back through the tyrone club website there was a lot of boys who used the SON branch to beat at Harte. One in paticular in here, who should really be over on the hoganstand website. at the time there were some rumours circulating and some of it was badly out of line!!!
7 Ulster titles from last 9 and an All Ireland. Big game bottlers alright ::)
Quote from: Zapatista on November 27, 2008, 11:19:37 AM
You Kerry boys still trying to tell us how to win an AI?
Zap have a look at the Roll of Honour I think they still have bragging rights.
Why can't we all get along. All countries are terrific.
Kerry, for coming back year after year.
Tyrone, for a being a new force in Gaelic Football.
Armagh, for showing even minnows have a chance.
Quote from: ziggysego on November 27, 2008, 11:24:54 AM
Why can't we all get along. All countries are terrific.
Kerry, for coming back year after year.
Tyrone, for a being a new force in Gaelic Football.
Armagh, for showing even minnows have a chance.
Ziggy you always make things right ;D
Quote from: SidelineKick on November 27, 2008, 11:22:32 AM
Zap have a look at the Roll of Honour I think they still have bragging rights.
Kerry attack and an Armagh defence? If thats what it takes to beat Tyrone then so be it.
Or a Down attack and a Down defence.
Or a wexford defence and mattie forde in armagh's case!!! ;D ;D
I have the utmost respect for Steven O'Neill both as a person and as a player, but i do not understand why he felt the need to tell everyone in the country that he will not be accepting his medal !! Why not just not accept it and say nothing!!
Cue FW's response ;)
Quote from: amigo on November 27, 2008, 11:32:24 AM
I have the utmost respect for Steven O'Neill both as a person and as a player, but i do not understand why he felt the need to tell everyone in the country that he will not be accepting his medal !! Why not just not accept it and say nothing!!
Cue FW's response ;)
Maybe someone asked him?
Quote from: Zapatista on November 27, 2008, 11:34:03 AM
Quote from: amigo on November 27, 2008, 11:32:24 AM
I have the utmost respect for Steven O'Neill both as a person and as a player, but i do not understand why he felt the need to tell everyone in the country that he will not be accepting his medal !! Why not just not accept it and say nothing!!
Cue FW's response ;)
Maybe someone asked him?
It wouldn't have took a genius to work out that you were going to be asked that question. Why not turn down the interview!!!
Quote from: SidelineKick on November 27, 2008, 11:22:32 AM
Quote from: Final Whistle on November 27, 2008, 10:30:41 AM
QuoteQuote from: under the bar on Today at 09:15:38 AM
Quote
Now, if only he could teach that to others in the Tyrone squad and their supporters, then I could maybe say that they were worthy winners, even for the fact that at several points I thought I was watching an Olympics swimming event
From 1984 to 1999 some Armagh supporters stood outside in the footballing wilderness throwing sour grapes at their superior neighbours.
Looks like its come full-circle again.
Think positively lads and keep telling yourselves it won't be another 15 years until you are at the top table again.
What is your problem UTB with all the snide comments, who is even talking about Armagh here, really do think you have a chip on your shoulder with Armagh
Why would anyone in Tyrone have a chip on their shoulder concerning the big game bottlers of armagh??? :P :P
I honestly believe that if SON had stayed with the squad through the entire summer then we would not have won our third. master stroke, took the pressure off himself, lowered expectation on the team and quietly reached the 1/4s. Blew dublin team off the croke park hinges, blitzed wexford in the first half and powered our way to the third!!!
a lot of people should hang their heads over this issue. looking back through the tyrone club website there was a lot of boys who used the SON branch to beat at Harte. One in paticular in here, who should really be over on the hoganstand website. at the time there were some rumours circulating and some of it was badly out of line!!!
7 Ulster titles from last 9 and an All Ireland. Big game bottlers alright ::)
Quote from: Zapatista on November 27, 2008, 11:19:37 AM
You Kerry boys still trying to tell us how to win an AI?
Zap have a look at the Roll of Honour I think they still have bragging rights.
You must be delighted :D :D
The value of Ulster titles is very far from what it used to be ;)
The fact that you have made shows that out of 7 Ulster titles Armagh only have one All Ireland. What does this tell you?
Quote from: Onion Bag on November 27, 2008, 09:00:58 AM
Well can someone enlighten me then. BTW im not having a pop at SON its just the way it looks,
Can any of you honestly answer this question,
Back in January when he made his decision, Had SON known that Tyrone would have been contesting the All Irelnad Final, do you honestly think he would have made the same decision?
What's your point? Theres not a player in the country who would retire in January if they knew for a fact they'd be in an All-Ireland final later that year. There's no way you can know how the team will do later in the year. I always felt sorry for the couple of Derry boys that called it a day just before 1993, or the Armagh lads that retired before the 99 Ulster breakthorugh and I think Pascal Canavan retired in 2002, and its not really fair that someone who was a servant to Tyrone for so long would miss out on an All-Ireland medal.
As for SON, I really hope he changes his mind and takes the medal. I can't guess the man's feelings, but its something that most people would surely regret later in life. He played in the final and set up the goal, he has earned his medal. It doesn't matter that he wasn't there all year and for whatever reasons he wasn't (although Tyronies on here saying there was no fall-out with MH are diluding themselves, but it doesn't matter), he played his part in the final and earned a medal.
It'll make for an interesting quiz questions in the future though. How many Ulster men have 3 All-Ireland Senior medals and who has won 3, but only has 2 medals?
Btw I think its 25 Ulster men with 3 All-Ireland medals.
sideline kick, Contemparise, see the bigger picture!!! :-* no 7 out of 9 is a major feat in ulster! but if the qualifier system was not in place then i dont think that would be the record. :-\
Amigo, go ask his cousin for the "inside information" that you spouted on line!!
If steven O'Neill wants to do something who the f*ck are you to question his belief? Did it occur to you that he wanted to put 2008 behind him and shut boys like yourself up!
SON is a complete gentleman, having someone like yourself question his actions is just wrong!
Lads the interview will be going on line shortly on the BBC so I'd wait and see exactly what he says before making any comments on things.
Quote from: amigo on November 27, 2008, 11:35:49 AM
It wouldn't have took a genius to work out that you were going to be asked that question. Why not turn down the interview!!!
Your right. That would have put an end to the speculation. They certainally wouldn't run with the story if he hadn't have answerd any questions. just like when he left the panel.
It's 7 out of 10. [/pedantic]
Cant believe this has turned into a tyrone, armagh slagging match again,
It is supposed to be about SON, under the bar started the whole thing,
QuoteIt is supposed to be about SON, under the bar started the whole thing,
lol. I was responding to the disingenuous clap-trap being posted by you & ard mhaca abu!
OK, lets calm the waters. PM me your address & I'll fwd you a dvd of the 1984 Ulster Final as a peace offering.
Quote from: Doire abú on November 27, 2008, 11:42:41 AM
It's 7 out of 10. [/pedantic]
Thanks Doire Abú. Apologies!
Quote from: Final Whistle on November 27, 2008, 11:39:16 AM
sideline kick, Contemparise, see the bigger picture!!! :-* no 7 out of 9 is a major feat in ulster! but if the qualifier system was not in place then i dont think that would be the record. :-\
Amigo, go ask his cousin for the "inside information" that you spouted on line!!
If steven O'Neill wants to do something who the f*ck are you to question his belief? Did it occur to you that he wanted to put 2008 behind him and shut boys like yourself up!
SON is a complete gentleman, having someone like yourself question his actions is just wrong!
So if you are a nice person everything you do is always correct and anyone who questions this is wrong? ::)
exactly sideline kick. im glad we got that cleared up!! ;D ;D ;D
That's Mr. Kick to you FW.
I think O'Neill will end up taking his medal making himself again look foolish. I don't think anybody anywhere would have made an issue of him getting a medal. I'd have made more of an issue of him getting on in the AIF before others that have broken their balls for months on end.
Quote from: SidelineKick on November 27, 2008, 12:10:03 PM
That's Mr. Kick to you FW.
I think O'Neill will end up taking his medal making himself again look foolish. I don't think anybody anywhere would have made an issue of him getting a medal. I'd have made more of an issue of him getting on in the AIF before others that have broken their balls for months on end.
The medals were presented a few weeks ago at a Club Tyrone event. Stephen declined the invitation, and didn't pick up a medal.
Oops, fair enough. I still stand by the fact though that he should have taken it. I don't see the point in not accepting it. Does that mean theres a spare one? Will Michaela Harte get it??
i think its getting donated across the blackwater bridge from what i hear!! sorta like a "reward your neighbour less talented than you programme"
worthy cause!!! ;)
Quote from: under the bar on November 27, 2008, 11:58:15 AM
QuoteIt is supposed to be about SON, under the bar started the whole thing,
lol. I was responding to the disingenuous cla-trap being posted by you & ard mhaca abu!
OK, lets calm the waters. PM me your address & I'll fwd you a dvd of the 1984 Ulster Final as a peace offering.
Disingenous cla-trap? Which posts are you referring to? i am only speaking on behalf of myself
Quote from: SidelineKick on November 27, 2008, 11:22:32 AM
7 Ulster titles from last 9 10 and an All Ireland. Big game bottlers alright ::)
I'll try to break this to you gently:
ULSTER GAMES ARE NOT THAT BIG OF GAMES! *
* I failed!
sssssh fear, keep it to yourself. they still think they are part of the big three!!!
awww, bless!
:D Would be true if I was from Armagh.
Though Ulster finals are big games. Don't be stupid.
QuoteCant understand this, he jumped on the band wagon so he may as well go the whole way and pick up his medal,
It is obvious to most ppl of clear vision that SO'N did not jump on the bandwagon. If he was a bandwagon jumper he would have wanted both the glory & the medal. Fact is he wanted neither but instead having been approached simply offered his services if the panel felt they needed him to get past Kerry to win another AI. His quiet demeanour would make him about as likely a bandwagonner as someone like Francie Bellew.
Quote from: under the bar on November 27, 2008, 12:46:07 PM
QuoteCant understand this, he jumped on the band wagon so he may as well go the whole way and pick up his medal,
It is obvious to most ppl of clear vision that SO'N did not jump on the bandwagon. If he was a bandwagon jumper he would have wanted both the glory & the medal. Fact is he wanted neither but instead having been approached simply offered his services if the panel felt they needed him to get past Kerry to win another AI. His quiet demeanour would make him about as likely a bandwagonner as someone like Francie Bellew.
Francie doesn't jump on bandwagons, he walks out in front of them and stops them. He then proceeds to demolish them with his bare hands. All people on the bandwagon are left with no means of transport. Francie is happy.
Quote from: under the bar on November 27, 2008, 12:46:07 PM
QuoteCant understand this, he jumped on the band wagon so he may as well go the whole way and pick up his medal,
It is obvious to most ppl of clear vision that SO'N did not jump on the bandwagon. If he was a bandwagon jumper he would have wanted both the glory & the medal. Fact is he wanted neither but instead having been approached simply offered his services if the panel felt they needed him to get past Kerry to win another AI. His quiet demeanour would make him about as likely a bandwagonner as someone like Francie Bellew.
all i was saying was it doesnt really matter a f**k to anyone wheather he gets a medal or not, its a personal thing, it is not going to effect anyone one or the other, but to come on the bbc and say im not going to accept a medal, he is trying to make himself out be the martyr,
Quote from: Onion Bag on November 27, 2008, 12:50:47 PM
all i was saying was it doesnt really matter a f**k to anyone wheather he gets a medal or not, its a personal thing, it is not going to effect anyone one or the other, but to come on the bbc and say im not going to accept a medal, he is trying to make himself out be the martyr,
Prehaps we should all watch the interview before passing comments on it. I mean it could be a normal interview and this is one small part which the BBC has taken upon themselves to highlight.
Quote from: ziggysego on November 27, 2008, 01:01:50 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on November 27, 2008, 12:50:47 PM
all i was saying was it doesnt really matter a f**k to anyone wheather he gets a medal or not, its a personal thing, it is not going to effect anyone one or the other, but to come on the bbc and say im not going to accept a medal, he is trying to make himself out be the martyr,
Prehaps we should all watch the interview before passing comments on it. I mean it could be a normal interview and this is one small part which the BBC has taken upon themselves to highlight.
Well, anything that causes a stir in the GAA I suppose.
Well he hardly went on the BBC of his own free will. It probably came up from something they asked him and the BBC have highlighted it like someone said.
From the outside looking in he seems like a decent spud who feels embarassed to have been offered an AI medal after playing a fraction of a game. He does this because he feels it's not about him rather than what some people seem to be implying here where he thinks it is about him.
No, I'm not a Tyrone man either...
I agree he does seem sound, but why doesn't he just bloody take it. He's bound to have known it would get reported so to save any hassle he should have accepted it and stuck it in a drawer (or on ebay).
No one would have raised any sort of issue with him taking it in the first place without all this balls!
When we are on the topic, what is the criac with the bbc and gaa, f**k they dont half like us do they?
this board reaches a new low with this discussion. hard to believe the content on this site could go beyond the current banal shite being debated in this thread.
Then feel free not to add anything to it ;)
Quote from: INDIANA on November 27, 2008, 02:00:11 PM
this board reaches a new low with this discussion. hard to believe the content on this site could go beyond the current banal shite being debated in this thread.
Stop wasting your time reading it then, and turn your computer off
Quotebut to come on the bbc and say im not going to accept a medal, he is trying to make himself out be the martyr,
well sure watch the interview and then come back an tell us if you still think his goal is martyrdom!
whats it to you whether he picks up his medal or not? What business is it of yours or anyone else's? What debate is there ? If this what you call a topic for discussion, i'd hate to consider something you don't consider worthy of discussion.
Quote from: INDIANA on November 27, 2008, 02:44:56 PM
whats it to you whether he picks up his medal or not? What business is it of yours or anyone else's? What debate is there ? If this what you call a topic for discussion, i'd hate to consider something you don't consider worthy of discussion.
Quote from: SidelineKick on November 27, 2008, 02:04:14 PM
Then feel free not to add anything to it ;)
Quote from: INDIANA on November 27, 2008, 02:44:56 PM
whats it to you whether he picks up his medal or not? What business is it of yours or anyone else's? What debate is there ? If this what you call a topic for discussion, i'd hate to consider something you don't consider worthy of discussion.
Agreed, all rather pathetic.
Quote from: INDIANA on November 27, 2008, 02:44:56 PM
whats it to you whether he picks up his medal or not? What business is it of yours or anyone else's? What debate is there ? If this what you call a topic for discussion, i'd hate to consider something you don't consider worthy of discussion.
Go back to bed INDIANA, think you are a wee bit grumpy today, jasus yous Tyrone lads are very easy to wind up,
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on November 27, 2008, 12:27:42 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on November 27, 2008, 11:22:32 AM
7 Ulster titles from last 9 10 and an All Ireland. Big game bottlers alright ::)
I'll try to break this to you gently: ULSTER GAMES ARE NOT THAT BIG OF GAMES! *
* I failed!
Yeah pathetic alright ::)
Well the interview is on line now lads so fill your boots.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/7752484.stm
well I think he comes across very well outa that interview. You can kinda see were he's coming from in not taking the medal as he believes he didn't earn it. I suppose accepting one this year might have devalued the other ones he has.
kudos to our own Aileen Moynagh for the interview, daughter of Mickey Moynagh.
Quote from: SidelineKick on November 27, 2008, 01:56:56 PM
I agree he does seem sound, but why doesn't he just bloody take it. He's bound to have known it would get reported so to save any hassle he should have accepted it and stuck it in a drawer (or on ebay).
No one would have raised any sort of issue with him taking it in the first place without all this balls!
I admire him for what he has done. He made a decision based on his own humility and more importantly, he has stuck to it.
Fair play to him and at that, I hope now he gets a third one,
legitimately in his eyes
Hold on a minute lads, I have a couple of impressive medals that I got from playing zero minutes of football, but I was part of the panel. I added nothing to those succeses, should I give them back? Or was I wrong to accept them? Technically I didn't "earn" them either.
Watson did have to slip David Healy into a GAA piece didn't he! ONeill spoke well.
No sidelinekick. You don't have to hand anything back but you can if you want.
;D Thanks Frankie Boy, I think I'll keep them. You're the best!
Maybe Stevie and medals is like you and red wine. He hates taking them but sometimes he has no choice. ha ha.
Quote from: SidelineKick on November 27, 2008, 02:58:58 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on November 27, 2008, 12:27:42 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on November 27, 2008, 11:22:32 AM
7 Ulster titles from last 9 10 and an All Ireland. Big game bottlers alright ::)
I'll try to break this to you gently: ULSTER GAMES ARE NOT THAT BIG OF GAMES! *
* I failed!
Yeah pathetic alright ::)
Erm, you mean to say that you
do think that Ulster games are as big as All-Ireland games? ::)
Sideline what is it your saying? Are you trying to say Son wants the attention regarding not accepting the medal. I'd say nothing could be further from the truth. He made a personal decision that he felt he didn't derserve a medal. That's it. And I can understand that, he seems really annoyed about his performance. So to read anything more into than that seems to be looking for something that's not there.
Fair play to SON, it was the correct decision.
Id say he should have taken the medal. He said he didnt earn it but he was still part of the panel which won it and despite him saying he had a poor game it was SON's brilliant pass which set up the goal. Personal choice though and fair play to him. The main thing is the Cup itsef is in Tyrone ;D.
Really hope he stays injury free over the next couple of years as he sounds like he is motivated to play a far bigger role than he managed in 2008.
Quote from: supersarsfields on November 27, 2008, 08:05:28 PM
Sideline what is it your saying? Are you trying to say Son wants the attention regarding not accepting the medal. I'd say nothing could be further from the truth. He made a personal decision that he felt he didn't derserve a medal. That's it. And I can understand that, he seems really annoyed about his performance. So to read anything more into than that seems to be looking for something that's not there.
No not at all, He seems very genuine. All I'm saying is why did he just not take it and say nothin. I have a few medals that I didn't earn but I also don't go around shouting that I have them, that's cos I know I haven't earned it. Didn't stop me accepting it and putting it in a drawer out of the way.
I honestly don't think he was looking attention just think he should have taken it and said nothing. His choice I suppose.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on November 27, 2008, 07:48:32 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on November 27, 2008, 02:58:58 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on November 27, 2008, 12:27:42 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on November 27, 2008, 11:22:32 AM
7 Ulster titles from last 9 10 and an All Ireland. Big game bottlers alright ::)
I'll try to break this to you gently: ULSTER GAMES ARE NOT THAT BIG OF GAMES! *
* I failed!
Yeah pathetic alright ::)
Erm, you mean to say that you do think that Ulster games are as big as All-Ireland games? ::)
Please stop making yourself look stupid its starting to annoy me. Obviously AI Finals are the biggest games you can play in, but to say an Ulster final is not a big game (regardless of back doors or not) is completely stupid statement.
Quote from: SidelineKick on November 28, 2008, 01:07:24 PM
Please stop making yourself look stupid its starting to annoy me. Obviously AI Finals are the biggest games you can play in, but to say an Ulster final is not a big game (regardless of back doors or not) is completely stupid statement.
You break my heart (especially after the muck you've been spreading about Stevie O'Neill on this thread).
1. I didn't say the Ulster Final is not a big game, I said it's not as big of a game as those beyond the provincials.
2. I understand your sensitivity, I'd be sensitive too perhaps, but then again, I wouldn't.
3. Please try to comprehend the written word in future.
4. Would Armagh swap all of those 7 Ulster crowns for one more All-Ireland (rhetorical)?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on November 28, 2008, 01:32:01 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on November 28, 2008, 01:07:24 PM
Please stop making yourself look stupid its starting to annoy me. Obviously AI Finals are the biggest games you can play in, but to say an Ulster final is not a big game (regardless of back doors or not) is completely stupid statement.
You break my heart (especially after the muck you've been spreading about Stevie O'Neill on this thread).
1. I didn't say the Ulster Final is not a big game, I said it's not as big of a game as those beyond the provincials.
2. I understand your sensitivity, I'd be sensitive too perhaps, but then again, I wouldn't.
3. Please try to comprehend the written word in future.
4. Would Armagh swap all of those 7 Ulster crowns for one more All-Ireland (rhetorical)?
1) You did not say that, have a look at your red writing, no mention of after Provincials.
2) Why would I be sensitive? I am not from Armagh as already stated.
3) If you want me to comprehend do not write something then in a later post try to make it mean something else.
4) I do not know. Personally I would rather have 3 AIs and 3 Ulsters (Tyrone) compared to 7 Ulsters and 1 AI (Armagh), that however was never the issue so I don't know why you are raising it now.
5) What muck have I been spreading?
Quote from: SidelineKick on November 28, 2008, 01:49:49 PM
1) You did not say that, have a look at your red writing, no mention of after Provincials.
THAT BIG OF A GAME connotes that it's in comparison to something else (which can only be All-Ireland games in this context), or do you need all the dots joined?
Quote from: SidelineKick on November 28, 2008, 01:49:49 PM
2) Why would I be sensitive? I am not from Armagh as already stated.
Good question.
Quote from: SidelineKick on November 28, 2008, 01:49:49 PM
3) If you want me to comprehend do not write something then in a later post try to make it mean something else.
Dots and joins?
Quote from: SidelineKick on November 28, 2008, 01:49:49 PM
4) I do not know. Personally I would rather have 3 AIs and 3 Ulsters (Tyrone) compared to 7 Ulsters and 1 AI (Armagh), that however was never the issue so I don't know why you are raising it now.
To demonstrate that there's no comparison between provincials and All-Irelands.
Quote from: SidelineKick on November 28, 2008, 01:49:49 PM
5) What muck have I been spreading?
So the ascription of malign motives when you really haven't a clue isn't muck-spreading?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on November 28, 2008, 01:59:13 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on November 28, 2008, 01:49:49 PM
1) You did not say that, have a look at your red writing, no mention of after Provincials.
THAT BIG OF A GAME connotes that it's in comparison to something else (which can only be All-Ireland games in this context), or do you need all the dots joined?
No, if you had have said "compared to the AI" then it would have had that connotation. To leave it as "NOT THAT BIG A GAME" gives the impression you do not think Ulster is worth even talking about.
2) Why would I be sensitive? I am not from Armagh as already stated.
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Good question.
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Good questions need answers.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on November 28, 2008, 01:59:13 PM
3) If you want me to comprehend do not write something then in a later post try to make it mean something else.
Dots and joins?
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I am not a mind reader, I can only see what is written in front of me, which again let me state, did not compare Ulster to anything and nowhere did you try to compare it to anything.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on November 28, 2008, 01:59:13 PM
To demonstrate that there’s no comparison between provincials and All-Irelands.
This is a completely new dicsussion. I have already said I would prefer 3 and 3 so would anyone. I refer back to the point that you say Ulster games are not big games...NOT IN COMPARISON TO ANYTHING.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on November 28, 2008, 01:59:13 PM
So the ascription of malign motives when you really haven’t a clue isn’t muck-spreading?
I never once said "he did it for this" or "i heard he did it because...". I solely gave my opinion on the matter and i stand by that....he should have taken the medal and said nothing. He seems genuine but I think this issue would always have been reported once found out so to take the medal would have avoided all this. He could have thrown it over the hedge after that.
This is getting tiresome ::)
Let's just leave it.
Because I am right
OK.
Because you are so wrong
Ok
Because I couldn't any more right if I tried!
:D
Missed the interview lads and only reading this thread now.
The link has changed so wondering does anyone have the original saved anywhere?
I think its a case of He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't
I think Stevie is quite a self concious guy and would hate to think that loads of people think he just did it for the glory and the handy medal and so he has gone to such extremes now to make sure that's not the case.
I think the article on the BBC from Enda Mcginley is very interesting read as below.
Especialy the bit about what would he and others say if they lost by a few points and he wasnt playing but was fit again.
I'd say that was eating at him but he was kinda in a lose lose battle and you could see in the match how disappointed he was to kick a few wides.
Unfortunately this episode will stick with him for the rest of his life I fear but fair play to a few of ye on here like ardmhachaabu who sums it up well for me
And fair play to you for your last line.
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I admire him for what he has done. He made a decision based on his own humility and more importantly, he has stuck to it.
Fair play to him and at that, I hope now he gets a third one, legitimately in his eyes
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http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?action=post;topic=9217.570;num_replies=573 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?action=post;topic=9217.570;num_replies=573)
Tyrone's Enda McGinley hopes Stephen O'Neill will be able to reflect fondly on last weekend's All-Ireland triumph over Kerry in the years to come.
O'Neill was reluctant to get involved in the Tyrone team's celebrations at Croke Park given his much-publicised return to the squad three weeks ago.
But McGinley has insisted that O'Neill has "nothing to be embarrassed about".
"The players were absolutely delighted to have Stevie in the panel. He helped us so much on Sunday," said McGinley.
"Whether we would have won it without him, who knows but it was fantastic that he was there.
"It was a hugely courageous decision that he took to come back.
He helped us all to get an All-Ireland medal in 2005 through his brilliance
Enda McGinley
"A lot of eyebrows were raised with people asking why the team could suddenly take this person back and that he was just jumping on the bandwagon.
"But the players, we've known Stevie for 10 years.
"It was said in the meeting:'He's one of us and he always will be one of us'.
"We knew what sort of man Stevie was and we knew deep down that he wouldn't be enjoying that it appeared he was coming back on the backwagon.
"Everybody saw the true side of Stevie when he didn't want to go up and lift the cup. He just didn't want to take part in the celebrations.
"But in the years to come, I would hope he will enjoy that medal.
"As I said to him, he helped us all to get an All-Ireland medal in 2005 through his brilliance.
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Give your thoughts on Tyrone's All-Ireland triumph
"If we repaid him in any small way with that third All-Ireland, then brilliant."
McGinley believes that O'Neill's nagging fear that his absence might cost the Red Hands a third All-Ireland title convinced him that he had no option but to return to Mickey Harte's squad.
"What was haunting him the most was the thought of being in the stand on All-Ireland Final day and watching the match and maybe Tyrone losing by a point or two points and maybe supporters saying to him:'What weren't you out there'.
"Deep down in his heart he wouldn't have had an answer that would have satisfied them and for the rest of the days he would have been thinking:'What if'.
"The team probably would have been thinking:'What if' as well.
"You want at all times in sport to avoid that kind of scenario. That meant he had to take a pretty courageous decision to put himself forward again and the team took him back with open arms."
Fuzzman, I just call it the way I see it. I said the same thing before in this thread and added that some Tyronies should take his example and show more humility in winning to be accused of all sorts. In retrospect, I should have said O'Neill and Harte's example as MH is a fine man too.
Incidentally, I recognise ONeill as one of the greats of modern football and respect him accordingly.
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on November 28, 2008, 09:45:14 PM
Fuzzman, I just call it the way I see it. I said the same thing before in this thread and added that some Tyronies should take his example and show more humility in winning to be accused of all sorts. In retrospect, I should have said O'Neill and Harte's example as MH is a fine man too.
Incidentally, I recognise ONeill as one of the greats of modern football and respect him accordingly.
For the first time, perhaps ever, I'll salute you. ;)