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Does anyone know when Lost Season 4 will start??
Biggest peace of crap on tv at the moment , is their even a plot?
Quote from: Gnevin on September 17, 2007, 01:56:20 PM
Biggest peace of crap on tv at the moment , is their even a plot?
:o i enjoy it! thought season 1 was excellent and yes it hasnt reached the high standard it set itself but last 5-6 epsiodes were very good in season 3.
QuoteBiggest peace of crap on tv at the moment , is their even a plot?
They had one, but they lost it.
Thought season one was good, but it "jumped the shark" a long time ago. I'd say the people behind it thought they'd get canned after one year and never really thought it through where they could take it after that.
That being said I haven't really watched it since mid-way through season two, so maybe it has picked up again and got some resembalance of a plot or structure again.
starts again in february.
Quote from: westmayo on September 17, 2007, 02:06:11 PM
Thought season one was good, but it "jumped the shark" a long time ago. I'd say the people behind it thought they'd get canned after one year and never really thought it through where they could take it after that.
That being said I haven't really watched it since mid-way through season two, so maybe it has picked up again and got some resembalance of a plot or structure again.
If you want plot ans structure watch hero's they really have that thing planned out
QuoteIf you want plot ans structure watch hero's they really have that thing planned out
Is that show any good, I saw on BBC2 they were doing a run through off all the episodes so far on Sat on Sun nite. Was going to watch it but had pints to drink on Sat night. I also read that they have some sort of spin off planned already for it.
Quote from: westmayo on September 17, 2007, 02:25:29 PM
QuoteIf you want plot ans structure watch hero's they really have that thing planned out
Is that show any good, I saw on BBC2 they were doing a run through off all the episodes so far on Sat on Sun nite. Was going to watch it but had pints to drink on Sat night. I also read that they have some sort of spin off planned already for it.
Best thing on TV at the moment .
Quote from: Gnevin on September 17, 2007, 02:26:22 PM
Quote from: westmayo on September 17, 2007, 02:25:29 PM
QuoteIf you want plot ans structure watch hero's they really have that thing planned out
Is that show any good, I saw on BBC2 they were doing a run through off all the episodes so far on Sat on Sun nite. Was going to watch it but had pints to drink on Sat night. I also read that they have some sort of spin off planned already for it.
Best thing on TV at the moment .
Heroes is a great show but i think Prison Break just edges it in my opinion
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on September 17, 2007, 02:27:33 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on September 17, 2007, 02:26:22 PM
Quote from: westmayo on September 17, 2007, 02:25:29 PM
QuoteIf you want plot ans structure watch hero's they really have that thing planned out
Is that show any good, I saw on BBC2 they were doing a run through off all the episodes so far on Sat on Sun nite. Was going to watch it but had pints to drink on Sat night. I also read that they have some sort of spin off planned already for it.
Best thing on TV at the moment .
Heroes is a great show but i think Prison Break just edges it in my opinion
That has gone off the wall , he was to break out of prison again, give me a break
Think heroes, Lost and Prison break are the 3 best shows that ive ever seen on tv.
Bit disappointed that in Prison break he is back in Prison and is gonna break out again. thought if he was ever caught he shud be in it for good second breakout too far fetched!! no prison can hold michael schofield.
Heroes is awesome- was a slow starter but sum fantastic epsiodes towards the end!!!
Lost best of them all, has u glued, even when episodes arnt that great u still want and need to watch them in case u miss nething!
Quote from: longball on September 17, 2007, 03:09:37 PM
Think heroes, Lost and Prison break are the 3 best shows that ive ever seen on tv.
Bit disappointed that in Prison break he is back in Prison and is gonna break out again. thought if he was ever caught he shud be in it for good second breakout too far fetched!! no prison can hold michael schofield.
Heroes is awesome- was a slow starter but sum fantastic epsiodes towards the end!!!
Lost best of them all, has u glued, even when episodes arnt that great u still want and need to watch them in case u miss nething!
PB had no real plan for a second season if you ask me ,Agent Genius who can figure out and suitation in 5 minutes , The guy who brings down a president is transported in a local police van , instead of national guard protection it's all to far fetched
Quote from: longball on September 17, 2007, 03:09:37 PM
Think heroes, Lost and Prison break are the 3 best shows that ive ever seen on tv.
Bit disappointed that in Prison break he is back in Prison and is gonna break out again. thought if he was ever caught he shud be in it for good second breakout too far fetched!! no prison can hold michael schofield.
Heroes is awesome- was a slow starter but sum fantastic epsiodes towards the end!!!
Lost best of them all, has u glued, even when episodes arnt that great u still want and need to watch them in case u miss nething!
Lost is a load of Dung. In fact I would rather watch a load of Dung Rot than watch lost.Total waste of time. You would be better doing what yer man did in Fight club and just start to beat lumps out of yerself instead of watchin it.
Quote from: Gnevin on September 17, 2007, 03:17:13 PM
Quote from: longball on September 17, 2007, 03:09:37 PM
Think heroes, Lost and Prison break are the 3 best shows that ive ever seen on tv.
Bit disappointed that in Prison break he is back in Prison and is gonna break out again. thought if he was ever caught he shud be in it for good second breakout too far fetched!! no prison can hold michael schofield.
Heroes is awesome- was a slow starter but sum fantastic epsiodes towards the end!!!
Lost best of them all, has u glued, even when episodes arnt that great u still want and need to watch them in case u miss nething!
PB had no real plan for a second season if you ask me ,Agent Genius who can figure out and suitation in 5 minutes , The guy who brings down a president is transported in a local police van , instead of national guard protection it's all to far fetched
yea i no what u mean Gnevin but most shows are far fetched so sometimes we have to shut off our minds that way and just enjoy the show instead of over thinking everything. Good shows for u wud be the Divinci Code and National Treasure! u ever c them??
Quote from: Gnevin on September 17, 2007, 03:17:13 PM
Quote from: longball on September 17, 2007, 03:09:37 PM
Think heroes, Lost and Prison break are the 3 best shows that ive ever seen on tv.
Bit disappointed that in Prison break he is back in Prison and is gonna break out again. thought if he was ever caught he shud be in it for good second breakout too far fetched!! no prison can hold michael schofield.
Heroes is awesome- was a slow starter but sum fantastic epsiodes towards the end!!!
Lost best of them all, has u glued, even when episodes arnt that great u still want and need to watch them in case u miss nething!
PB had no real plan for a second season if you ask me ,Agent Genius who can figure out and suitation in 5 minutes , The guy who brings down a president is transported in a local police van , instead of national guard protection it's all to far fetched
And people who can regenirate and hear peoples thoughts etc isn't far fetched?
Don't get me wrong i love Heroes but they are all as far fetched as each other but it's compulsive viewing..
As for Prison Break and Schofield ending up in jail all the time and breaking out....Well it is called Prison
Break not "The Im happy and content and will stay in Prison Show"
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on September 17, 2007, 08:23:58 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on September 17, 2007, 03:17:13 PM
Quote from: longball on September 17, 2007, 03:09:37 PM
Think heroes, Lost and Prison break are the 3 best shows that ive ever seen on tv.
Bit disappointed that in Prison break he is back in Prison and is gonna break out again. thought if he was ever caught he shud be in it for good second breakout too far fetched!! no prison can hold michael schofield.
Heroes is awesome- was a slow starter but sum fantastic epsiodes towards the end!!!
Lost best of them all, has u glued, even when episodes arnt that great u still want and need to watch them in case u miss nething!
PB had no real plan for a second season if you ask me ,Agent Genius who can figure out and suitation in 5 minutes , The guy who brings down a president is transported in a local police van , instead of national guard protection it's all to far fetched
And people who can regenirate and hear peoples thoughts etc isn't far fetched?
Don't get me wrong i love Heroes but they are all as far fetched as each other but it's compulsive viewing..
As for Prison Break and Schofield ending up in jail all the time and breaking out....Well it is called Prison Break not "The Im happy and content and will stay in Prison Show"
Its about a suspension of disbelieve so with hero's they set out that people can have special powers/
How many times has Schofield being capture?
How many times does the agent guess Schofields plan?
Its a good show but it's starting to come apart at the seems
Quote from: Gnevin on September 17, 2007, 10:33:08 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on September 17, 2007, 08:23:58 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on September 17, 2007, 03:17:13 PM
Quote from: longball on September 17, 2007, 03:09:37 PM
Think heroes, Lost and Prison break are the 3 best shows that ive ever seen on tv.
Bit disappointed that in Prison break he is back in Prison and is gonna break out again. thought if he was ever caught he shud be in it for good second breakout too far fetched!! no prison can hold michael schofield.
Heroes is awesome- was a slow starter but sum fantastic epsiodes towards the end!!!
Lost best of them all, has u glued, even when episodes arnt that great u still want and need to watch them in case u miss nething!
PB had no real plan for a second season if you ask me ,Agent Genius who can figure out and suitation in 5 minutes , The guy who brings down a president is transported in a local police van , instead of national guard protection it's all to far fetched
And people who can regenirate and hear peoples thoughts etc isn't far fetched?
Don't get me wrong i love Heroes but they are all as far fetched as each other but it's compulsive viewing..
As for Prison Break and Schofield ending up in jail all the time and breaking out....Well it is called Prison Break not "The Im happy and content and will stay in Prison Show"
Its about a suspension of disbelieve so with hero's they set out that people can have special powers/
How many times has Schofield being capture?
How many times does the agent guess Schofields plan?
Its a good show but it's starting to come apart at the seems
And with Prison Break they set out that people can break out of prisons hence the name
Also Heroes doesn't have Doctor Sara Tancredi ;)
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Quote from: The Real Laoislad on September 17, 2007, 11:33:45 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on September 17, 2007, 10:33:08 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on September 17, 2007, 08:23:58 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on September 17, 2007, 03:17:13 PM
Quote from: longball on September 17, 2007, 03:09:37 PM
Think heroes, Lost and Prison break are the 3 best shows that ive ever seen on tv.
Bit disappointed that in Prison break he is back in Prison and is gonna break out again. thought if he was ever caught he shud be in it for good second breakout too far fetched!! no prison can hold michael schofield.
Heroes is awesome- was a slow starter but sum fantastic epsiodes towards the end!!!
Lost best of them all, has u glued, even when episodes arnt that great u still want and need to watch them in case u miss nething!
PB had no real plan for a second season if you ask me ,Agent Genius who can figure out and suitation in 5 minutes , The guy who brings down a president is transported in a local police van , instead of national guard protection it's all to far fetched
And people who can regenirate and hear peoples thoughts etc isn't far fetched?
Don't get me wrong i love Heroes but they are all as far fetched as each other but it's compulsive viewing..
As for Prison Break and Schofield ending up in jail all the time and breaking out....Well it is called Prison Break not "The Im happy and content and will stay in Prison Show"
Its about a suspension of disbelieve so with hero's they set out that people can have special powers/
How many times has Schofield being capture?
How many times does the agent guess Schofields plan?
Its a good show but it's starting to come apart at the seems
And with Prison Break they set out that people can break out of prisons hence the name
Also Heroes doesn't have Doctor Sara Tancredi ;)
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/laoislad/465305244_76d12bb785.jpg)
I'll give you that ,know come they all called here sarah not sara?
Check out this site:
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Main_Page
Yeah, 5 was good - as for answers, what were we given? The interesting thing was the release of Ben - the spy has to be Michael. Remember Ben giving him co-ordinates to leave the island, I bet you they took him right to the ship.
man, don't be giving away the plot lines people, i intend on downloading it and watching it in one go, just like i did with the first 3 seasons, the only way to watch them!!
EDIT:
Quote from: AFS on March 12, 2008, 03:34:36 AM
Yep, quite good so far. Episode 5 was the first one where they actually started giving some f**king answers at long last. Only 13 episodes in the series apparently because of the writers' strike.
damn right, it is about time they started to reveal some answers, my head was spinning trying to get some sense out of it!
The best TV show ever created. Series 4 has been phenomenal so far too.
I haven't read your link but I read something about that theory before the start of the current series and with some of the things that have transpired since I'd say the geek theorists are not far off with their general theme.
QuoteIt first dawned on me with The Man from Tallahassee (sp.?) and it was the only logical explanation as to how they could get him on to the Island
I never could get my head around how they got him there. I read that article there now, unbelievable - you now wonder how that could be wrong.
my own personal theory is that they are in pergutory (sp) but going from what i have read in the last few posts, that could be another valid idea!
Quote from: AFS on March 12, 2008, 04:31:14 PM
Quote from: stpauls on March 12, 2008, 02:51:22 PM
my own personal theory is that they are in pergutory (sp) but going from what i have read in the last few posts, that could be another valid idea!
The writers have already said that they're defiantly not dead, in purgatory, hell, heaven or anywhere like that. The time loop thing appears to be the line they're going down,
damn it, i thought i was on the right track there too!!
Quote from: Mac Eoghain on March 12, 2008, 12:48:30 PM
Potential Spoiler Alert:
http://timelooptheory.com/ (http://timelooptheory.com/)
The above contains a fantastic theory on the whole show, its very well thought out and I wouldnt be a bit surprised if turned out to be correct. If you havent seen the new episodes of Season 4 dont read it as there are spoilers in there.
very interesting theory that it's 1996 on the island and that is why locke and rose both seem ok.
started downloading the first 6 episodes of season 4 last night so will hopefully be caught up shortly!
Back on again tonight Ladies and Gentlemen. 9pm, RTE 2. (I think!)
Can't wait. Really enjoy this show.
10pm RTE2. Good to have it back. How many more weeks is it on before the series is over?
Tonights episode is a cracker.
Quote from: The Claw on April 28, 2008, 12:44:45 PM
Tonights episode is a cracker.
downloaded it and watched it at the weekend. would agree that this episode is a cracker!
What is this episode about?
Quote from: High Catch on April 28, 2008, 02:17:55 PM
What is this episode about?
Couldn't say much without giving it away but it features Ben a lot. An action-packed episode to say the least.
Seen it on RTE there. What the f**k is going on in this show. I give up!
The time loop theory doesnt look too far away!!
I take it ben and whitmore must have discovered the island together and then fell out hence ben got the island and whitmore has spent the rest of his life looking for it!!
Apparently JR comes back from the dead too as him being killed was all just a dream.
Anyone have a theory about the black monster Ben summoned last night? The Iraq scenes were set in 2005, what year did the plane crash?
Quote from: amallon on April 29, 2008, 09:15:38 AM
Anyone have a theory about the black monster Ben summoned last night? The Iraq scenes were set in 2005, what year did the plane crash?
Aliens. Bred on the island as a part of a weapons program.
Quote from: amallon on April 29, 2008, 09:15:38 AM
what year did the plane crash?
I think it was 2002
For me this season has started to be interesting again after the pretty rubbish last one.
Quote from: amallon on April 29, 2008, 09:15:38 AM
Anyone have a theory about the black monster Ben summoned last night? The Iraq scenes were set in 2005, what year did the plane crash?
The smoke has something to do with the 'rules', Ben said when they killed his daughter that they broke the rules and then he went straight into his office and summoned the monster. He must not have been able to do it if they didn't break the 'rules' because they were getting shot at and he didn't summon it. Question is what these rules are, there is some talk about the rules of the universe that they are trying to change to save humanity. The time loop theory says that the black smoke is course correcting fate but this doesn't really sit tight with Ben being able to control it does it??
Quality viewing last night.
Unlike others (not the ones in the show!) I haven't lost(!) any interest in the show. It and Heros, 2 great great shows.
Thankfully Sky didnt stop me watching it on RTE2, the way they do with Prison Break (the hoors)
Quote from: amallon on April 29, 2008, 09:15:38 AM
Anyone have a theory about the black monster Ben summoned last night? The Iraq scenes were set in 2005, what year did the plane crash?
If you're confused about where things have fitted in so far time-wise then visit http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Timeline it pieces things together for you (no spoilers or anything there by the way)
i thot the black smoke came last nite to kill them poeple due them being responsible for the death of bens daughter, because she was not ment to die and so it was course correcting so to speak...
Is it safe to say yet that Ben is one of the 'good guys' (as he has claimed so many times!). He had some cracking lines there yesterday like when he listed the mercenary's history over the walkie and when his good guy actions when he summoned smokey and mourned his daughter, but then again he let his daughter be murdered and it seems he will also murder Penny. He might have had to sacrifice his daughter to stop Widmore from gaining control of the island but why go after Penny? Pure revenge or is there a 'rule' that means he has to follow?
It is just the best show ever made in my opinion, the continuity is incredible, if you look back at the other series' you notice things that link up with episodes now. You get a few answers but they hit you with so many more questions. Pure genius.
Quote from: Mac Eoghain on April 29, 2008, 03:50:15 PM
This is where the rules come in. The rule of engagement between Widmore & Ben must have been that no family members were to be touched, Ben & Jim Robinson would have known this but that nutcase Keamy lost the plot, Ben was banking on the rules to save her.
Just before she was shot didnt Ben say that she wasnt his daughter?
Quote from: jaykay on April 29, 2008, 04:16:22 PM
Quote from: Mac Eoghain on April 29, 2008, 03:50:15 PM
This is where the rules come in. The rule of engagement between Widmore & Ben must have been that no family members were to be touched, Ben & Jim Robinson would have known this but that nutcase Keamy lost the plot, Ben was banking on the rules to save her.
Just before she was shot didnt Ben say that she wasnt his daughter?
She isn't biologically, he was trying to talk Keamy out of killing her by making out she wasn't a strong bargaining chip, however why he felt that this was necessary given "the rules" I'm not sure. Maybe he did fear Widmore would be prepared to break/change them.
Quote from: Rav67 on April 29, 2008, 04:25:59 PM
Quote from: jaykay on April 29, 2008, 04:16:22 PM
Quote from: Mac Eoghain on April 29, 2008, 03:50:15 PM
This is where the rules come in. The rule of engagement between Widmore & Ben must have been that no family members were to be touched, Ben & Jim Robinson would have known this but that nutcase Keamy lost the plot, Ben was banking on the rules to save her.
Just before she was shot didnt Ben say that she wasnt his daughter?
She isn't biologically, he was trying to talk Keamy out of killing her by making out she wasn't a strong bargaining chip, however why he felt that this was necessary given "the rules" I'm not sure. Maybe he did fear Widmore would be prepared to break/change them.
Exactly. If the "rules" protected her as his daughter why would he disown her, he said he had it under control. Also if not technically his daughter then she was fair game as were the rest of the crash survivors. Hence maybe why Widmore can claim he broke no rules. But he also said that Ben killed her, didn't he? As usual there is more to last night's episode than meets the eye - why does he need John and Hugo for instance. And is Widmore really responsible for Sayid's wife's demise - or did Ben manipulate him as suggested by the smirk. What's with appearing in the desert in Tunisia apparently shot? Of course a time loop would explain some of this, in a ground hog type of way....absolutely brilliant. I'm glad though they have set a finite end to the series, hopefully they have given enough time to play out all the strands of the story without the need to finish up the threads abruptly. Despite all the questions raised last night I think it has moved the story on a little further.
If they were robots would you not expect Ben to have more control over them? He didn't want to be close by when he summoned it. Why did he lock the door when he went into the secret room to call on smokey. There is something he didn't want Lock and Sawyer to see.
The Jacob thing is a bit weird too, if I remember right from an earlier series he was invisible or something?
Quote from: amallon on April 30, 2008, 10:25:00 AM
The Jacob thing is a bit weird too, if I remember right from an earlier series he was invisible or something?
He's invisible to most people, it seems like you need to have a special connection to the island in order to see him. In the last series, Ben took Locke to Jacob's cabin and he was invisible initially to Locke, who then thought Ben was tricking him. But Jacob appeared briefly to Locke as he was leaving the cabin and said "help me."
That timeline theory posted a few pages ago will give you more of an insight into people like Jacob/Bens Mum etc. Worth a read, especially after recent episodes it seems that this theory is possibly accurate. The nerdy scientists reference along the lines of 'It doesnt matter when...' regarding the dead doctor and also Ben asking what year was it when he arrived at the hotel.
nrico - what are you doing watching stupid programs like lost. Neighbours is the way forward ;)
JimStynes, you know Ill never miss Neighbours, especially as Dee Bliss is returning.
My RTE2 went on the blink last night and I had to endure a real bad picture for most of it. Who did Jack think he saw sitting in his house? Any suggestions on what happened to Claire?
Ah last night's episode was just really marking time, don't you think lads? Not an awful lot revealed, except perhaps how Kate might end up with Aaron, and reminding us that Jack and Claire are related, although judging from last night episode it's not clear Jack knows that, although that may be what's behind his cut at Kate about not even being related to the boy. Juliet proved herself to be a shrewd cookie again, and sorted out Jack and Kate good an proper, have a feeling she still has a major role to play. I'm sure the chicks will love that Jack got engaged to Kate, and all that.
Totally agree Mentalman re. last night's episode. There was so much going on the previous week, we were bound to have a slow one last night. Smokey musn't be that dangerous as it looked like most if not all the mercenaries are still alive.
QuoteSmokey musn't be that dangerous as it looked like most if not all the mercenaries are still alive.
Yeah, I thought they were all dead until last night. Old Jin acting the bad ass last night, threatening to break/cut off Daniels fingers!
this episode tonite was very good, a lot of old faces. won't say anymore- next weeks episode looks even better. :o
Were you watching the latest US episode?
Head melting stuff here -
http://www.timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.htm
gonna download it this evening. thought last weeks episode was a bit flat after the cracker the week before.
Was looking back over the latter episodes in series 3, following the latest episode here WRT to Claire, Aaron and all that malarky. Didn't Desmond tell Charlie that he saw Claire and the baby getting on a helicopter off the island, but only if he died? Will be interesting to see how they unravel that. There are so many small details in this program, continuity must be a nightmare, yet when they resolve something you've half forgotten about it always fills me with admiration the makers.
Biggest mystery for me is how Hurley hasn't lost any wait yet ???
Thought he was hilarious in last nights show sharing a chocolate bar with Ben.
BTW if anyone wants to have a go at explaining last nights episode please do
Quote from: gawa316 on May 13, 2008, 11:02:01 AM
Biggest mystery for me is how Hurley hasn't lost any wait yet ???
Thought he was hilarious in last nights show sharing a chocolate bar with Ben.
Think you've answered your own question there! They've been on the island around 3 1/2 months at this stage and the hatch has been discovered for most of that time and Hurley has been scoffing away on the candy bars and that DHARMA ranch dressing that he likes. I thought that moment was very funny too, Ben's eyes made the scene the man who plays him is a fantastic actor.
As for the instructions given to John at the end................. WTF???!!
Quote from: Rav67 on May 13, 2008, 12:06:58 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on May 13, 2008, 11:02:01 AM
Biggest mystery for me is how Hurley hasn't lost any wait yet ???
Thought he was hilarious in last nights show sharing a chocolate bar with Ben.
Think you've answered your own question there! They've been on the island around 3 1/2 months at this stage and the hatch has been discovered for most of that time and Hurley has been scoffing away on the candy bars and that DHARMA ranch dressing that he likes.
Yeah was thinking that but he never stops walking around the island, there is no way he was getting that much exercise back in the US
Quote from: Mac Eoghain on May 13, 2008, 12:54:53 PM
Quotehttp://BTW if anyone wants to have a go at explaining last nights episode please do
Hmm, quite a bit going on I suppose. The real gist of last night's episode is that the island has now picked John as the leader. When John and Ben were kids Richard (eyebrow man) would have been sent on a mission to find who was going to lead the island in the future, he may well be Ben and John's father. John didnt pass the tests set by Richard but there is a good chance that Ben did, and therefore Horace brought Roger & Ben to the island where Ben was probably being groomed to lead the island. However something has happened and with John now on the island the tide is turning for Ben and John has basically been set as the new leader.
Who is Roger?
Was the black fella from last nights episode in a previous episode and if so what part did he play???
Quote from: Mac Eoghain on May 13, 2008, 01:49:13 PM
Roger Linus was Bens dad - do you remember Ben killed him becuase the da was always full on his wifes anniversary (Bens birth), Ben but a bit pissed off wit this and pulled the pin on a gas canister, at the same time that the original Island inhabitants were in the process of wiping out the Dharma people (the purge) - and then buried the bodies in the pit that John was shot in and where he found Horace's body last night, and the map to the cabin.
Feck you know your stuff. If your ever around Enniskillen way could ye pop in and tell my wife what's going on, as she is doing my feckin head in every week. I end up missing parts because she is asking me to explain this and that
I'd say the reason that Ben's people have such an interest in Locke is because he was born three months premature and because pregnant women on the Island die two months into pregnancy, he would be able to ensure the survival of the 'others' if he was able to pass this ability on? Then the question would be whether they only chose Locke because he was three months premature or whether he was chosen before he was born. From what I can remember, Ben was also born 3 months prematurely.
The freighter is behind Island time (or the Island is in front of freighter time) because the doctor shows up dead on the Island but he wasnt killed until later on the freighter.
What is that on Keamy's arm? Why was Claire in the cabin and looking so pensive? Locke originally failed the test but then was subsequently chosen - maybe the test was wrong?
Locke said to Jack before something to the effect of - we dont see eye to eye because you Jack are a man of science. And what are you John? A man of faith. Interesting then that Locke's teacher was telling him that he is a man of science!
In the first series who was kidnapping people from the beach? 'Others' or Dharma people?
My head is getting melted with this, you need to have a real good memory to keep track of it week to week, never mind series to series.
Mac Eoghain- Richard is definitely not Locke's dad, Locke's dad was the conman from Talahasee aka Anthony Cooper aka Tom Sawyer. He conned Locke into giving him his kidney then shunned him and eventually threw out of an 8-storey window.
Quote from: amallon on May 13, 2008, 02:43:47 PM
In the first series who was kidnapping people from the beach? 'Others' or Dharma people?
My head is getting melted with this, you need to have a real good memory to keep track of it week to week, never mind series to series.
The others were kidknapping people in the first series who they decided were special, or who perhaps had a special connection to the island. Ben said that Jacob decided who was chosen to be taken. DHARMA people were all purged by Ben at least ten years previous.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 13, 2008, 02:00:45 PM
Was the black fella from last nights episode in a previous episode and if so what part did he play???
Yes he featured in the first episode of this series. He picked the team that would be sent out to the island- Charlotte, Miles and Naomi as leader. From this it would seem like he is working for Widmore as they went to the island via his boat. In the future off the island he confronts Hurley at the mental home and asks him, "where are they?" obviously referring to those left on the island.
The fact that he asks "where", and given that Ben tells Widmore in the future in a London hotel room that he'll never find the island again, would indicate that Locke et all are successful in moving the island.
I f**king love Lost!
Thanks, it's bleedin impossible to follow all de twists and turns from series to series...
I need a refresher course...
It would have been a massive coincidence that he was compatible for a kidney donation though. And John's grandmother chastised her daughter about her boyfriend being twice her age as if she knew who her boyfriend was, but then when she saw Richard at the hospital she said she had no idea who he was.
As for Richard not having aged in 50-plus years...?????
Quote from: Rav67 on May 13, 2008, 05:38:55 PM
As for Richard not having aged in 50-plus years...?????
Either he has been in a time loop on the Island for 50 or so years or he simply traveled back in time?
Quote from: Rav67 on May 13, 2008, 02:56:56 PM
I f**king love Lost!
Here here!!
Richard is an interesting one. I think it was in "The Man Behind The Curtain" in the last series you see he has barely aged over Ben's lifetime. Ben even jokes with him along the lines "Yes Richard, it's my birthday. You do remember does don't you?", so maybe he's quite ancient? Also as for him and Ben being in cahoots? I'm not so sure. He was the one who pointed out to John the link between James "Sawyer" Ford and John "Sawyer" Cooper, his dad, to enable him to manipulate Sawyer into murdering him so Ben would bring him to Jacob. Richard seems more linked to the "hostiles", than Dharma, or those Ben brought to the island.
Again go back to the timeloop link as there is updates from the last episode and everything said here seems to make sense, plus this link:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=23404227928
Hmmm I suppose we will see. I get the feeling "The Hostiles" (don't want to call them the original inhabitants of the island as that hasn't been established yet) need a third party alright, and as such need Ben, but they wouldn't care if it were Locke either - it's what the "leader" can do for them rather than any sort of personal loyalty, hence why Richard helped Locke to off his dad, Ben's place as leader is not assured, it's only while he is useful. For instance it seems that Ben has never spoken to Jacob, whereas Locke actually appeared to hear him previously?
One word for tonite's episode FANTASTIC
How do you move an Island? you fly it! lol I wont tell. ;)
A break next week the a 2 hour season finale.
It just gets better.
Josh Holloway (Sawyer) was on Jimmy Kimmel Live and said " the Island is one of the Main characters".
A Little foreshadowing ??? ???
Read your man's time loop theory - a lot of it is kind of b*ll*cks isn't it? I mean the main thesis, of a time loop, or at the very least a time anomoly seems to have credence but some of his speculation looks very sketchy, but I suppose it's based on events yet to unfold.
Quote from: Mac Eoghain on May 16, 2008, 11:20:24 AM
Have any of youse got a link for download for latest show (PM me even) - my megashares link is expired and my usual 'source' for accounts doesnt seem to be working - I'll probably find another account by tomorrow but havent time today to look. Cheers!
Here's the stream I watched it on
http://www.sidereel.com/Lost/_watchlinkviewer/11259
Can someone have a go at explaining what happened lastnight? Pity it's nearly the end of the season :(
Powerful episode last night. That's the first of the 3 part season finale. Its going to be interesting to see the other 2. Personally think its weird how they are showing the 'Oceanic 6' off the island etc considering there is 2 more seasons left, but at the same time theres obviously a lot more to come and the whole secrecy around events on the island is mysterious (well the lies they are telling and getting their stories straight). I wonder what the reason for someone like Jin being said to be dead as a result of the crash etc. So many questions to be answered, even one of the original questions coming back last night with the miles on Hurleys car. Was Ben signalling to Richard with the mirrors? Richard and his crew look very eerie and I'm sure they will play a big part next season.
Where did Richard and his crew come out of? Have those people been on the island all along?
That's what I was wondering – it's a massive island and it would be no surprise if they had some type of dwelling even underground. Also, I see in the flash forwards that there was an explanation to what island they were on? Surely this wasn't right.
The dead doctor landed on the island days before he died. Someone here said it was probably a time loop which made aq weird kind of sence. Why did it not effect Sadam on his way to the island from the boat on the dingy?
Maybe it didn't affect Sayid because he took the exact right co-ordinates to get there? If you don't take the exact correct way in and out of the island something happens time-wise (which in Desmond and Minkowski's case caused them to be displaced between the present and ten years ago).
Richard and the rest of the Others/Hostiles have been somewhere on the island the whole time (the place where Ben was telling Alex, her boyfriend and Rousseau to go to when they were shot at).
What struck me from the episode is that it is clear Oceanic are part of the cover-up and web of lies that the 6 are taking part in. Why? Who knows but I'm sure it'll become clear in about two series time! And given that the whole world have saw Widmore's staged wreckage on their TV screens and thought everyone was dead because of this 'evidence'- how are they going to get away with saying it actually crashed somewhere else now? What will they say the previous wreckage was where every body on the plane was accounted for??!
when the reporter asked why they all looked like they did when they left (hurley in particular) I was not very happy with the answer >:(
I would love to know what the craic is with Jacks attitude towards Aaron and how he couldn't handle being near the child in the flash forwards, and also what is the craic with Christian being on the island – its nearly as mind boggling as Lockes dad being there. Plus Claire seems to be acting very weird as if shes under a f*cking trance. Im sure we will be left with even more questions come the season 4 finale.
Quote from: Rav67 on May 20, 2008, 11:34:54 AM
the place where Ben was telling Alex, her boyfriend and Rousseau to go to when they were shot at.
"The Temple" I think it was called.
The details revealed in the press conference obviously are designed to explain their sruviving on a deserted island within credibile distance of where the plane went down, to enable them to show up on the populated island. I wasn't so sure whether the airline were in on it, but I suppose they were, or have to be, even from previously, to cover up that a plane was planted in the trench by Widmore.
So it seems the flash forwards have occurred in reverse, just to add to the confusion. Which of course means both time lines look like they will converge over the next two episodes. But in typical LOST style I doubt they will, similar to last seasons finale. It really does just get better and better.
The biggest mystery of all.
Sayid is a hard nut and a Iraqi torturer, while Sawyer is a ruff criminal who made it through the hardest prison in the US unskaved. Why does Sayid have long dark curley hair and Sawyer long sweeping blonde hair that would make them sissys if they where in Home and Away? I'm baffled. Fair play to the creators on that one I'm sure when this secret is revealed we will all gasp with excretment.
Two hour season finale tonite, I will post all details here after the show.
Can't wait for this. A lot of bloodshed has been promised, well its pretty much unavoidable given the point at which we were left at the last show. Meant to be revising for tests for at the minute so might sit up all night and do a bit of work till the episodes are uploaded, what time would they be online at?
1st half hour interesting.
Don't get into a fight with Syad (Sp).
Sawyer the Unselfish.
I know how to move an Island- WOW :o :o
watch for the spoilers harp me lad. anyone else waiting up for this? waiting just for the streams to be put up on sidereel
Holy Crap !!! Incredible episode answers a lot of questions and opens a bunch of new ones.
This series could go on for ten more years.
Are RTE showing two episodes back to back (inc. season finale) this Monday night?
RTE will be showing Part 2 and Part3 of the series ending this Monday. The one two weeks agon was Part 1.
the double episode is on sky 1 on sunday nite.....
Great ending to the current series, definitely explains a lot but still so much else going on to be confused about!!
Totally agree. Watched it on Sky last night, and will probably watch it again tonight on RTE. Great episode.
Anyone know when the next series is due to start?
Jaysus drinkingharp - im glad they are only doing 2 more series.
It was losing the run of itself until they decalred only 2 more after this one.
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on June 02, 2008, 02:01:34 PM
Totally agree. Watched it on Sky last night, and will probably watch it again tonight on RTE. Great episode.
Anyone know when the next series is due to start?
January.
I wonder at what stage Locke becomes Jeremy Bentham, and why? Interestingly both names of two philosophers of the Enlightenment period (I think). Not sure if that's of any relevance to the plot though.
Aye that must be what it is when you think about it. I see Ben says that Locke/Bentham must come back to the island too when he's in the coffin, there's no chance he'll still be dead when they get back to the island, much like Christian Sheppard.
i wonder why locke was off the island? there's no way locke would have left the island unless he had no choice. ben said that whoever moved the island wasnt allowed to come back - could this be some sort of paradox thing? locke told jack that bad things happened after jack left so maybe locke had to move the island in time again like ben did in order to protect it thus having to leave, and could it be that locke's only way back is to come back dead like jack's father?
what about sun offering help to charles widmore? whats all that about?! couldnt believe when they blew up the freighter, crazy way to wipe out characters! who was actually on the freighter, apart from jin and michael?
will we see desmond again? he is not dead so therefore to me that seems like we will prob see him again. i like him, he is a celtic fan! ;)
and was there any significance of mr eko being there with hurley? (or not being there?!)
so many questions!!
Aggghhhhh!!! My rte 2 has just went on the blink.
I've been waiting all day to see tonights conclusion, I've got an hour and 20 mins for it to sort itself out, please lord please...
Jaysus its some head wrecker of a show! Completely hooked now.
I wonder will the next series deal with the "Oceanic 6" going back to the island. Wonder what the craic is with Sayid working for Ben. Is Sun still blaming Jack for Jin's death?
Why exactly do all 6 including Locke actually need to go back to the Island? Is there something there they need to do? Jack after all the bloody whinging he done to get off now wants to go back!!
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on June 02, 2008, 11:31:33 PM
Jaysus its some head wrecker of a show! Completely hooked now.
I wonder will the next series deal with the "Oceanic 6" going back to the island. Wonder what the craic is with Sayid working for Ben. Is Sun still blaming Jack for Jin's death?
Locke's funeral is 3 years after the Oceanic 6 get off the island and they still haven't went back at that stage, so the last series will deal with that I'd imagine while the next series will piece together those 3 years as well as showing what is happening on the island. Sayid is working for Ben because he owes him for finding him the man who killed his wife. He appears to be trying to assassinate people working for Widmore. Sun is blaming Jack and her da for Jin's demise, I think getting back at Jack is connected with her comments to Widmore about the two of them sharing a common interest. I'd say her part of the bargain will involve helping to find the island as well as Penny and Desmond's boat.
I have a feeling given that Ben has promised to kill Widmore's daughter Penny, Sayid will be faced with a choice whether to do this at some point. I'd say he'll cop himself on at that stage though given his friendship with Desmond.
Did u notice wen ben went down to turn the big wheel and he cut his arm, well think back a few shows back to wen he was in the desert wearing the big coat and he had a cut arm that wasnt explained, this must have been where he ended up!
Was there not a recent episode showing Jin working for some other bloke, running around trying to buy a giant panda teddy bear, we all thought it was for Sun but ended up for some business guy's daughter who had just given birth? Was this not after they get off the island, so is he alive?
Quote from: Hank Everlast on June 03, 2008, 08:54:46 AM
Did u notice wen ben went down to turn the big wheel and he cut his arm, well think back a few shows back to wen he was in the desert wearing the big coat and he had a cut arm that wasnt explained, this must have been where he ended up!
Brilliant!!
Quote from: Johnnie99 on June 03, 2008, 09:04:32 AM
Was there not a recent episode showing Jin working for some other bloke, running around trying to buy a giant panda teddy bear, we all thought it was for Sun but ended up for some business guy's daughter who had just given birth? Was this not after they get off the island, so is he alive?
That was in the past. Jin was having a flash back at the same time as it showed Sun giving birth as a flash forward.
Ben must have woken up in Algeria after he turned the wheel (given the parka jacket and the cut arm).
A few other thoughts:
Who thinks that a polar bear originally turned the wheel? It was icy and didn't Charlotte find a Polar Bear (with a Dharma collar) in Algeria?
I wonder did Widmore also turn the wheel in the past? Ben said that whoever turns the wheel can't return to the island. In an episode where Ben went up to Widmore's bedroom Widmore said something along the lines of "Everything you have is mine". Could Widmore have been a previous leader of the island?
I also wouldn't necessarily say that Jin is dead - it didn't show his body so he could well have jumped from the freighter at the last minute.
The one thing I am disappointed in (and it's not like the writers to make such a mistake so I'm guessing it will be rectified later) is that how can the Oceanic 6 pull off that story when Kate would have had to be 6 months pregnant boarding the plane. Surely as she was being escorted by the police, someone would know that she wasn't that far gone (in pregnancy terms) when she boarded the plane?
Quote from: Smokin Joe on June 03, 2008, 10:06:26 AM
I also wouldn't necessarily say that Jin is dead - it didn't show his body so he could well have jumped from the freighter at the last minute.
The one thing I am disappointed in (and it's not like the writers to make such a mistake so I'm guessing it will be rectified later) is that how can the Oceanic 6 pull off that story when Kate would have had to be 6 months pregnant boarding the plane. Surely as she was being escorted by the police, someone would know that she wasn't that far gone (in pregnancy terms) when she boarded the plane?
There was a question that touched on that at the home-coming press conference, any they fudged/avoided the issue. So I doubt that will be re-visited.
Regarding Jin not being dead ..... if he had jumped from the boat would he have moved with the island? If he'd jumped he'd have been further away from the island than the chopper when the island moved...
Is it definitely Jack that Sun blames for Jin's apparent death? When she approached Wigmore, I'd assumed it was Ben she blamed, given it was Ben who blew up the ship when he killed the mercenary. Or perhaps its Wigmore she blames coz he hired the mercenary and she's just pretending to want to help him to get close to him??
I find it hard to come up with a scenario as to how they can persuade Sun to leave her child and return to the island.
QuoteI also wouldn't necessarily say that Jin is dead - it didn't show his body so he could well have jumped from the freighter at the last minute.
Its possible. But we won't know until next season. I wonder what Sawyer said to Kate before he jumped - class scene!
Jesus lads will u all go and get a life.
Quote from: Hereiam on June 03, 2008, 11:34:50 AM
Jesus lads will u all go and get a life.
With a 9 month old boy and a 2 and a half year old girl, Lost has been the height of my social calendar this past 4 or 5 months ;D
Quote from: Smokin Joe on June 03, 2008, 10:06:26 AM
Quote from: Johnnie99 on June 03, 2008, 09:04:32 AM
Was there not a recent episode showing Jin working for some other bloke, running around trying to buy a giant panda teddy bear, we all thought it was for Sun but ended up for some business guy's daughter who had just given birth? Was this not after they get off the island, so is he alive?
That was in the past. Jin was having a flash back at the same time as it showed Sun giving birth as a flash forward.
Ben must have woken up in Algeria after he turned the wheel (given the parka jacket and the cut arm).
A few other thoughts:
Who thinks that a polar bear originally turned the wheel? It was icy and didn't Charlotte find a Polar Bear (with a Dharma collar) in Algeria?
I wonder did Widmore also turn the wheel in the past? Ben said that whoever turns the wheel can't return to the island. In an episode where Ben went up to Widmore's bedroom Widmore said something along the lines of "Everything you have is mine". Could Widmore have been a previous leader of the island?
I also wouldn't necessarily say that Jin is dead - it didn't show his body so he could well have jumped from the freighter at the last minute.
The one thing I am disappointed in (and it's not like the writers to make such a mistake so I'm guessing it will be rectified later) is that how can the Oceanic 6 pull off that story when Kate would have had to be 6 months pregnant boarding the plane. Surely as she was being escorted by the police, someone would know that she wasn't that far gone (in pregnancy terms) when she boarded the plane?
This is head wreckin stuff, didnt realise that was in the past, great show altogether!!
It was implied that Charlotte had been on the island before. Did she know about the bomb and therefore didn't want to go onto the boat. She seems attached to Daniel and it would be strange if she would let him go back to the boat knowing there was a bomb on board. Was there another reason she wanted to stay? I don't remeber Charlotte in the desert. Can anyone refresh me?
I bet there are survivors from the freightor, it was a large explosion but people could have been in the water before it exploded. There would have been plenty of wreckage which survivors could have clung to in order to make it back to the island. Had Daniels boat made it back to the freightor?
What about Walt knowing they were lying. Was it Locke (using an alias) who told him??
So many questions. Great show.
Quote from: Smokin Joe on June 03, 2008, 10:06:26 AM
Quote from: Johnnie99 on June 03, 2008, 09:04:32 AM
Was there not a recent episode showing Jin working for some other bloke, running around trying to buy a giant panda teddy bear, we all thought it was for Sun but ended up for some business guy's daughter who had just given birth? Was this not after they get off the island, so is he alive?
That was in the past. Jin was having a flash back at the same time as it showed Sun giving birth as a flash forward.
Ben must have woken up in Algeria after he turned the wheel (given the parka jacket and the cut arm).
A few other thoughts:
Who thinks that a polar bear originally turned the wheel? It was icy and didn't Charlotte find a Polar Bear (with a Dharma collar) in Algeria?
I wonder did Widmore also turn the wheel in the past? Ben said that whoever turns the wheel can't return to the island. In an episode where Ben went up to Widmore's bedroom Widmore said something along the lines of "Everything you have is mine". Could Widmore have been a previous leader of the island?
I also wouldn't necessarily say that Jin is dead - it didn't show his body so he could well have jumped from the freighter at the last minute.
The one thing I am disappointed in (and it's not like the writers to make such a mistake so I'm guessing it will be rectified later) is that how can the Oceanic 6 pull off that story when Kate would have had to be 6 months pregnant boarding the plane. Surely as she was being escorted by the police, someone would know that she wasn't that far gone (in pregnancy terms) when she boarded the plane?
Thats what i thought, the polar bears were being trained to turn the wheel becuz they could survive down there and it didnt matter if they cud return to the island or not!
Yeah, crazy how Jack has turned out in the future. A la the time they met and he begs Kate to go back to the island - who is she talking about when she mentions 'He'll be wondering where I am?'. Whats the score with Christian on the island aswell? Hundreds of questions, the flash forwards don't help when you get some that are further ahead in the future than others. And why does Jack want to go back to the island? What has he realised that he didn't know at the time? It will be interesting how the next series follows the people on the island along with the Oceanic 6 as they are now rescued. There is alot more to come regarding Whitmore and his past etc, and as a poster mentioned I can see Ben gettting Sayid to kill Penny and how will that pan out given Desmond and Sayids friendship. I suppose up until a few weeks ago everyone was anticipating an end to series 6 as them actually being rescued for good but its all up in the air now and reality is out the window with islands disappearing etc! The show has gone crazy!
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 03, 2008, 12:56:10 PM
Yeah, crazy how Jack has turned out in the future. A la the time they met and he begs Kate to go back to the island - who is she talking about when she mentions 'He'll be wondering where I am?'. Whats the score with Christian on the island aswell? Hundreds of questions, the flash forwards don't help when you get some that are further ahead in the future than others. And why does Jack want to go back to the island? What has he realised that he didn't know at the time? It will be interesting how the next series follows the people on the island along with the Oceanic 6 as they are now rescued. There is alot more to come regarding Whitmore and his past etc, and as a poster mentioned I can see Ben gettting Sayid to kill Penny and how will that pan out given Desmond and Sayids friendship. I suppose up until a few weeks ago everyone was anticipating an end to series 6 as them actually being rescued for good but its all up in the air now and reality is out the window with islands disappearing etc! The show has gone crazy!
I just assumed she was talking about Claires wain - Erin??
Could possibly be Aaron and again I wouldn't be surprised if she was shacked up with Ben ffs, anything is possible in this show!
It was implied that Charlotte was actually born on the island, which is noteworthy given that pregnant women die on the island (Claire was an exception because her baby was conceived off-island). That could make her a very important character next series, as it would seem she could one of those with a special connection to the island.
Quote from: amallon on June 03, 2008, 12:02:47 PM
It was implied that Charlotte had been on the island before. Did she know about the bomb and therefore didn't want to go onto the boat. She seems attached to Daniel and it would be strange if she would let him go back to the boat knowing there was a bomb on board. Was there another reason she wanted to stay? I don't remeber Charlotte in the desert. Can anyone refresh me?
I bet there are survivors from the freightor, it was a large explosion but people could have been in the water before it exploded. There would have been plenty of wreckage which survivors could have clung to in order to make it back to the island. Had Daniels boat made it back to the freightor?
What about Walt knowing they were lying. Was it Locke (using an alias) who told him??
So many questions. Great show.
The first time we seen Charlotte she was excavating a historical site in Algeria, and they found a polar bear with a Dharma collar.
Its a pile of shite ;)
Quote from: Mac Eoghain on June 03, 2008, 01:46:27 PM
Christian and Claire are dead. You should notice that just before a dead Lostie appears you can hear the whispering voices.
remember the explosion claire apparently survived. she was inside one of the houses the others lived in when it was bombed and it was a pretty bad explosion - maybe she really died in it?
The special effects for the boat blowing up were shit. I can't believe they stuck that scene from Sawyers davidoff ad in aswell.
Stopped watching during season 2. Seems they are off the island but going back?
Anyone post a short outline of what happened, what the story was with the island and how is a polar bear now been implicated (wasn;t there one in the very first episode?)?
If no one is bothered or it would take too long, no worries.
when ben moved the island there was the loud noise and the bright light, this also happened in the first series, so who moved the island then and why??
Quotewhen ben moved the island there was the loud noise and the bright light, this also happened in the first series, so who moved the island then and why??
Didn't that happen when Locke decided to stop pressing the button every 108 minutes?
whenever locke is in the pit after getting shot, and looks up and talks to walt, that was never explained?! what was all that about!
QuoteDidn't that happen when Locke decided to stop pressing the button every 108 minutes?
Yes thats what happened but you wouldn't be surprised if something else happened that we didn't see. The Locke getting shot thing is one of many unanswered questions.
anyone know when the new series is due to start?
it starts on wednesday 21st january in the US so will likely be on SKY the beginning of the following week.
:o
back tonight in americay, be able to dl from around 1am our time id say
Looking forward to watching this on sunday. The last few episodes of season 4 are on sky 1 all this week to let you catch up as well
Its on here stateside now, seems the first hour will be producers, writers and such talking about the characters, island and plot.
The first episode will run right after and will be two hours.
Good stuff, really looking forward to this season.... i cant remember much about last season tho so the refresher episodes will be usefull, didnt they moved the island at the end or something like that??
I won't give away anything but the first episode was very good and informative, will make a good season.
Second episode incredible :o, this show could easily go on for the next 10 years. ???
Raging I missed this. Where can I download it? Or is there a repeat on RTE?
I'm beginning to lose my mind with this show. having watched all episodes I'm still LOST!!
And yet another twist!!!
Brilliant third episode. Not giving anything away, Faraday is a fascinating character and looking forward to watching his story unravel this series
what do all you LOSTies think of the current series? :)
Loving it. Good to see the black smoke make a come back in Sunday nights episode. Anyone any theories on this?
The black smoke is almost certainly the island's way of correcting time i.e. if someone is meant to be dead but has managed to stay alive on the island, it wipes them out. Methinks it's related to Desmond, who is also a course correcter. It might even be Desmond in another form.
To be honest though, this series is really pssing me off and I'm about to give up. All the stupid mindgames between the characters are doing my nut in, and the constant change of focus in the story in just all wrong for a logical man like myself :)
Quote from: milltown row on February 01, 2009, 09:18:55 PM
I'm beginning to lose my mind with this show. having watched all episodes I'm still LOST!!
Gave up on this show after season 2.
Glad i did now, seeing as people still dont know what is going on, or are still lost so to speak. :) :)
Quote from: thewobbler on February 17, 2009, 05:25:52 PM
The black smoke is almost certainly the island's way of correcting time i.e. if someone is meant to be dead but has managed to stay alive on the island, it wipes them out. Methinks it's related to Desmond, who is also a course correcter. It might even be Desmond in another form.
To be honest though, this series is really pssing me off and I'm about to give up. All the stupid mindgames between the characters are doing my nut in, and the constant change of focus in the story in just all wrong for a logical man like myself :)
dont give up think of the time u've invested in this. sure ive felt like giving up at times but we can all get tru this. is there any other show u've invested this much time in prob not so for once thewobbler juust see something all the way tru
I think the new series is dead on. I've long since given up trying to predict whats going on and I'm happy enough to just go along for the ride. I think you can think about it too much.
Aah Rav got there before me.
I've a question. When Ben first 'moved' the island at the end of the last series it basically disappeared to those outside of the radius (and still in normal time). Where did it go? The island doesn't geographically move so it should have still been there (just with all the people on it gone to a different time). Does this mean when they went back in time they destroy the island (possibly with the bomb) at some point and that's why the present people couldn't see it anymore? But then how do Jack and the rest, who are in normal time, get back to the island? Maybe they have to go back in time.
f**k! I said I wasn't gonna try to analyse it and now I've confused myself. I any of yous have any thoughts on my (probably bullshit) theory/ question I'd be interested.
Good point about the moving island AFS. Maybe it has been destroyed somewhere in the past.
Where do u watch lost RTE? SKY 1? or on t'internet?
Just some nots from Last weeks Show according to TV.com
Ep was named: This Place is Death
Jin says he knows how to find his camp from the radio tower. However, Jin was one of the five survivors who never went to the radio tower with Jack in "Through the Looking Glass." Instead he stayed behind at the beach to shoot the dynamite traps.
Charlotte recalls that a man came and warned her as a child not to ever come back to the Island or she would die. As she thinks about this, she realizes it was Daniel that came back to the past and spoke with her. In episode one of this season (Because You Left), we see Daniel Faraday in the past visiting the Orchid station, during the time the Dharma Initiative was there
In this episode, it is revealed that Charlotte actually did grow up on the Island and was part of the Dharma Initiative.
In this episode, Locke falls and breaks his right leg. This is the same leg he keeps injuring on the Island. Previous injurious include having the hatch door crash down on it and being shot in it.
Although credited, Jorge Garcia (Hurley) does not appear.
American McGee's Alice: The idea of Charlotte spending her childhood on the island and be later told that it was all dreamed up is reminiscent of the plot of American McGee's Alice, in which a suicidal Alice Liddell in her late teens is locked away in a mental asylum where her memories of Wonderland are considered delusions of self-hatred and guilt. Both Charlotte and Alice are threatened with death if they should ever dare to revisit the innocent magic place of their childhood.
Daniel: So, do you speak any other languages?
Charlotte: Only Klingon.
Klingon is the name of a language (and alien race) from the Star Trek franchise. Lost executive producer J.J. Abrams is the director, and a producer, of the latest film in the series, on which Lost executive producer and showrunner Damon Lindelof also serves as a producer
The episode i watched last night had Faradays mother at the church in LA, did she appear anywhere earlier in the series ?
At the end of the last episode there on Sunday past, it showed them meeting Faraday's mother who is about to tell them how to get back to the island. Ben said that this was all he could convince to come back to the island yet Desmond is there and he states in previous episodes that he never wants to go back to the island. So many questions still need to be answered
Quote from: maddog on February 18, 2009, 10:37:43 AM
The episode i watched last night had Faradays mother at the church in LA, did she appear anywhere earlier in the series ?
she worked in a store when desmond went back to 1996 and told him not to marry penny.
Quote from: clarshack on February 18, 2009, 10:47:36 AM
Quote from: maddog on February 18, 2009, 10:37:43 AM
The episode i watched last night had Faradays mother at the church in LA, did she appear anywhere earlier in the series ?
she worked in a store when desmond went back to 1996 and told him not to marry penny.
It was a store that sold all sorts of clocks if I remember correctly.
I suppose it was a nod to the current story about travelling through time.
Quote from: AbbeySider on February 18, 2009, 11:31:28 AM
Quote from: clarshack on February 18, 2009, 10:47:36 AM
Quote from: maddog on February 18, 2009, 10:37:43 AM
The episode i watched last night had Faradays mother at the church in LA, did she appear anywhere earlier in the series ?
she worked in a store when desmond went back to 1996 and told him not to marry penny.
It was a store that sold all sorts of clocks if I remember correctly.
I suppose it was a nod to the current story about travelling through time.
Thanks for that, couldn't place her...
Did ben not meet her a couple of episodes ago in a butchers or something along those lines and she told him that he had to get everyone.
Quote from: maddog on February 18, 2009, 10:37:43 AM
The episode i watched last night had Faradays mother at the church in LA, did she appear anywhere earlier in the series ?
The young blonde girl who had Faraday at gunpint a few episodes back (when they had flashed back to 1950s) is Faraday's mother. She was referred to as 'Elly' then and in the last episode it stated her name is 'Elouise'
Quote from: Rav67 on February 18, 2009, 01:16:17 PM
Quote from: maddog on February 18, 2009, 10:37:43 AM
The episode i watched last night had Faradays mother at the church in LA, did she appear anywhere earlier in the series ?
The young blonde girl who had Faraday at gunpint a few episodes back (when they had flashed back to 1950s) is Faraday's mother. She was referred to as 'Elly' then and in the last episode it stated her name is 'Elouise'
Definitely thought that too.
For anyone who really wants to get into the show and make sure they don't miss any hint or other event which may (or many not) be important, then you should check out the weekly thread that that they have on The DVD Forums.
Here is a link to this week's thread:
http://www.thedvdforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=550156
Quote from: Rav67 on February 18, 2009, 01:16:17 PM
Quote from: maddog on February 18, 2009, 10:37:43 AM
The episode i watched last night had Faradays mother at the church in LA, did she appear anywhere earlier in the series ?
The young blonde girl who had Faraday at gunpint a few episodes back (when they had flashed back to 1950s) is Faraday's mother. She was referred to as 'Elly' then and in the last episode it stated her name is 'Elouise'
Frig sake wouldn't even have thought of that. Just watched the latest episode there on repeat. Best of the series so far I thought.
I have missed the last 3/4 episodes - anyone know of a link where I could watch them?
thought the end of the latest episode was a bit confusing. good episode none the less.
great ep so far IMO
Why don't they sit beside each other on the plane? Ignorant cnuts, I hope they crash :P
How did Hurly get to bring that guitar case on the flight? There obviously not flying with ryanair
Quote from: gawa316 on February 22, 2009, 09:46:17 PM
How did Hurly get to bring that guitar case on the flight? There obviously not flying with ryanair
Aye but he's loaded, well able to afford the stealth charges.
Typical Lost ending there. Enough confusion to take another 4 or 5 episodes to sort out.
Quote from: AFS on February 22, 2009, 09:52:57 PM
Typical Lost ending there. Enough confusion to take another 4 or 5 episodes to sort out.
I think the title 'Lost' refers to the plot.
Did we know the woman Jack met at the butcher's?
So does this mean they are back in the past? At the same time we left Jin, Sawyer, Juliet etc at?
And what happened Aaron?
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 22, 2009, 09:56:02 PM
Did we know the woman Jack met at the butcher's?
So does this mean they are back in the past? At the same time we left Jin, Sawyer, Juliet etc at?
And what happened Aaron?
Only when Ben called into her a few episodes ago I think.
I presume so. Jin and the rest must be back there too, which is conceivable since they're always moving.
Don't think we're supposed to know.
The Lamppost - The name of this room that could locate the Island is an allusion to the lamppost in 'The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe' by C.S. Lewis. The lamppost in Lewis' novel lead was landmark that showed the children how to get back to their world.
Quote from: gawa316 on February 22, 2009, 09:46:17 PM
How did Hurly get to bring that guitar case on the flight? There obviously not flying with ryanair
since Jack had to bring somethin of his father ie the shoes maybe Hurly had to take the gutiar for Charlie (RIP) ghost of charlie possibly visited HUrly to point him in the right direction... this is how he knew about the flight!
Quote from: longball on February 22, 2009, 10:08:00 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on February 22, 2009, 09:46:17 PM
How did Hurly get to bring that guitar case on the flight? There obviously not flying with ryanair
since Jack had to bring somethin of his father ie the shoes maybe Hurly had to take the gutiar for Charlie (RIP) ghost of charlie possibly visited HUrly to point him in the right direction... this is how he knew about the flight!
good insight longball
Quote from: longball on February 22, 2009, 10:08:00 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on February 22, 2009, 09:46:17 PM
How did Hurly get to bring that guitar case on the flight? There obviously not flying with ryanair
since Jack had to bring somethin of his father ie the shoes maybe Hurly had to take the gutiar for Charlie (RIP) ghost of charlie possibly visited HUrly to point him in the right direction... this is how he knew about the flight!
Yeah but he would have had to check it in as it was too big for hand luggage or maybe Hurly's money spoke
Anyone else think Ben's blood might be from killing Penny? He told Jack in the church that he was going somewhere because he'd made a promise to an old friend. (He promised Widmore in the last series that he'd kill Penny)
Also, I thought if you moved the island you could never go back??
Frank being pilot was a great touch I thought.
Quote from: Rav67 on February 22, 2009, 10:33:27 PM
Anyone else think Ben's blood might be from killing Penny? He told Jack in the church that he was going somewhere because he'd made a promise to an old friend. (He promised Widmore in the last series that he'd kill Penny)
Also, I thought if you moved the island you could never go back??
Frank being pilot was a great touch I thought.
would also get desmond looking to get back on the island to kill ben.
Quote from: Hank Everlast on February 23, 2009, 08:46:10 AM
Quote from: Rav67 on February 22, 2009, 10:33:27 PM
Anyone else think Ben's blood might be from killing Penny? He told Jack in the church that he was going somewhere because he'd made a promise to an old friend. (He promised Widmore in the last series that he'd kill Penny)
Also, I thought if you moved the island you could never go back??
Frank being pilot was a great touch I thought.
would also get desmond looking to get back on the island to kill ben.
Think u could be onto somethin here.
All very confusing stuff indeed.
What about Jin last night? Did he not recognise Jack, Kate & Hurley until Hurley said his name? He was looking at them with the gun long enough.
Quote from: The Corporal on February 23, 2009, 09:56:32 AM
All very confusing stuff indeed.
What about Jin last night? Did he not recognise Jack, Kate & Hurley until Hurley said his name? He was looking at them with the gun long enough.
Does anyone think that at this stage we'r in the past! or way in the future. I mean Jin was wearing a dharma outfit... and had the Van up and running- which looked very new if i can mind! Dunno if what ive written makes sense just putting down my random thoughts.
Quote from: longball on February 23, 2009, 12:06:21 PM
Quote from: The Corporal on February 23, 2009, 09:56:32 AM
All very confusing stuff indeed.
What about Jin last night? Did he not recognise Jack, Kate & Hurley until Hurley said his name? He was looking at them with the gun long enough.
Does anyone think that at this stage we'r in the past! or way in the future. I mean Jin was wearing a dharma outfit... and had the Van up and running- which looked very new if i can mind! Dunno if what ive written makes sense just putting down my random thoughts.
Iid say it's the past. Before the Oceanic 6 (or atleast 3 of them) reappeard on the Island there was a huge flash of white light. The time must have changed as they entered the time change catchment area. I don't think time can jump to the future on the island other than jumping back to the future??
Just watched the new episode here in the states.
The writers are really dragging this season out more then they should, I hope the pace picks up soon.
Overall a great show but need more action in an hour episode.
so are we all set for Lost tonight on RTE? wife hates the show but sure all good
Poor Locke, he gets a rough time :(
Lieutenant Daniels! :)
Great episode so far I think.
Quote from: AFS on March 01, 2009, 09:23:43 PM
Lieutenant Daniels! :)
Where was McNulty?! Should've had his back FFS :(
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on February 26, 2009, 04:50:35 AM
Just watched the new episode here in the states.
The writers are really dragging this season out more then they should, I hope the pace picks up soon.
Overall a great show but need more action in an hour episode.
I know what you mean now. That latest episode was alright, but it was mostly 'fill you in' stuff. The main storyline wasn't progressed at all.
Quote from: AFS on March 01, 2009, 11:18:17 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on February 26, 2009, 04:50:35 AM
Just watched the new episode here in the states.
The writers are really dragging this season out more then they should, I hope the pace picks up soon.
Overall a great show but need more action in an hour episode.
I know what you mean now. That latest episode was alright, but it was mostly 'fill you in' stuff. The main storyline wasn't progressed at all.
I think this series has been much faster-paced than previous seasons, new questions posed tend to be answered a lot quicker rather than have you wondering for 2 years as we were previously with certain things.
Locke's recruitment drive was a bit pathetic! Good to see a fully-grown Walt back, he's going to have a big part to play in the last series I suspect. I wonder who's gonna be the enemies in this war thats coming?
Ben saved Locke, then killed him, then brought him back to island thereby saving him again. What was the point?
BTW Locke saying to ceaser re Ben"yes I know him, he's the man that killed me" was a mighty quote only Locke or Ben could have pulled off.
Quote from: Rav67 on March 02, 2009, 12:30:30 AM
Quote from: AFS on March 01, 2009, 11:18:17 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on February 26, 2009, 04:50:35 AM
Just watched the new episode here in the states.
The writers are really dragging this season out more then they should, I hope the pace picks up soon.
Overall a great show but need more action in an hour episode.
I know what you mean now. That latest episode was alright, but it was mostly 'fill you in' stuff. The main storyline wasn't progressed at all.
I think this series has been much faster-paced than previous seasons, new questions posed tend to be answered a lot quicker rather than have you wondering for 2 years as we were previously with certain things.
Locke's recruitment drive was a bit pathetic! Good to see a fully-grown Walt back, he's going to have a big part to play in the last series I suspect. I wonder who's gonna be the enemies in this war thats coming?
I remember when this show first started, reading an interview with JJ Abrhams who was saying when they first pitched the idea they only had enough material for 3 seasons but the network insisted they make it over 5 (now 6 with seasons 4,5 and 6 shortened). Thats my main criticism of the show, from the start theres been a little too much filler, leving the main story a little slow. I have a few other problems with it but overall I think its an excellent show. Also about time someones got the science of time travel even half right
Quote from: Zapatista on March 02, 2009, 01:28:12 PM
Ben saved Locke, then killed him, then brought him back to island thereby saving him again. What was the point?
BTW Locke saying to ceaser re Ben"yes I know him, he's the man that killed me" was a mighty quote only Locke or Ben could have pulled off.
Well my reading was that Ben genuinely saved Locke but only killed because Locke knew who Elois Hawking was. Possibly Ben was afraid that Locke was somehow "ahead" of him in the race to be leader of the island or something like that. I'm trying to stop analysing things at this stage though because there's pretty much no point.
QuoteAlso about time someones got the science of time travel even half right
What science have they got for time travel?
Quote from: nifan on March 02, 2009, 04:37:59 PM
QuoteAlso about time someones got the science of time travel even half right
What science have they got for time travel?
It causes nose bleeds.
Quote from: nifan on March 02, 2009, 04:37:59 PM
QuoteAlso about time someones got the science of time travel even half right
What science have they got for time travel?
I thought that might get a reaction, im not saying the science in lost is perfect, far from it but from what ive seen in relation to the temporal mechanics its not as bad as most other time travel shows. I was referring to specifically how theyve tended to avoid paradoxes to date. With out spelling it out they have more or less been adhering to the Novikov principles in relation to temporal mechanics and a time travelers ability to travel. Also the science used whilst far from perfect is a lot better than what is often seen in time travel shows. I wouldnt be surprised if some form of cosmic string or wormhole theroy was further expanded in relation to the island.
As far as nose bleeds go my take on those was (and im not saying this is good science) it was effecting people when they were entering a time where they were not alive, either before their birth or after their death and the adjustment was for them to die. In the same way I think that would explain Locke coming back to life and being able walk in earlier seasons.
Quote from: David McKeown on March 02, 2009, 05:16:37 PM
Quote from: nifan on March 02, 2009, 04:37:59 PM
QuoteAlso about time someones got the science of time travel even half right
What science have they got for time travel?
I thought that might get a reaction, im not saying the science in lost is perfect, far from it but from what ive seen in relation to the temporal mechanics its not as bad as most other time travel shows. I was referring to specifically how theyve tended to avoid paradoxes to date. With out spelling it out they have more or less been adhering to the Novikov principles in relation to temporal mechanics and a time travelers ability to travel. Also the science used whilst far from perfect is a lot better than what is often seen in time travel shows. I wouldnt be surprised if some form of cosmic string or wormhole theroy was further expanded in relation to the island.
As far as nose bleeds go my take on those was (and im not saying this is good science) it was effecting people when they were entering a time where they were not alive, either before their birth or after their death and the adjustment was for them to die. In the same way I think that would explain Locke coming back to life and being able walk in earlier seasons.
The only thing is that Locke hadn't travelled through time when he was healed of his paralysis just after the plane crashed. Is the explanation for his condition not just the healing powers of the island?
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 02, 2009, 05:31:33 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on March 02, 2009, 05:16:37 PM
Quote from: nifan on March 02, 2009, 04:37:59 PM
QuoteAlso about time someones got the science of time travel even half right
What science have they got for time travel?
I thought that might get a reaction, im not saying the science in lost is perfect, far from it but from what ive seen in relation to the temporal mechanics its not as bad as most other time travel shows. I was referring to specifically how theyve tended to avoid paradoxes to date. With out spelling it out they have more or less been adhering to the Novikov principles in relation to temporal mechanics and a time travelers ability to travel. Also the science used whilst far from perfect is a lot better than what is often seen in time travel shows. I wouldnt be surprised if some form of cosmic string or wormhole theroy was further expanded in relation to the island.
As far as nose bleeds go my take on those was (and im not saying this is good science) it was effecting people when they were entering a time where they were not alive, either before their birth or after their death and the adjustment was for them to die. In the same way I think that would explain Locke coming back to life and being able walk in earlier seasons.
The only thing is that Locke hadn't travelled through time when he was healed of his paralysis just after the plane crashed. Is the explanation for his condition not just the healing powers of the island?
TAC was the original crash not caused by an incident of time travel, was it not 1996 or some time around then when they landed on the Island? Thinking about though my theroy wouldnt work as when Locke left the island he wasnt paralysed again, which is the state hed have to be in for that to make sense. Feck it back to the drawing board on that one. I still stand by the claim that the time travel science in this season is not overally bad science and is better than most time travel shows.
Quote from: David McKeown on March 02, 2009, 05:39:15 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 02, 2009, 05:31:33 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on March 02, 2009, 05:16:37 PM
Quote from: nifan on March 02, 2009, 04:37:59 PM
QuoteAlso about time someones got the science of time travel even half right
What science have they got for time travel?
I thought that might get a reaction, im not saying the science in lost is perfect, far from it but from what ive seen in relation to the temporal mechanics its not as bad as most other time travel shows. I was referring to specifically how theyve tended to avoid paradoxes to date. With out spelling it out they have more or less been adhering to the Novikov principles in relation to temporal mechanics and a time travelers ability to travel. Also the science used whilst far from perfect is a lot better than what is often seen in time travel shows. I wouldnt be surprised if some form of cosmic string or wormhole theroy was further expanded in relation to the island.
As far as nose bleeds go my take on those was (and im not saying this is good science) it was effecting people when they were entering a time where they were not alive, either before their birth or after their death and the adjustment was for them to die. In the same way I think that would explain Locke coming back to life and being able walk in earlier seasons.
The only thing is that Locke hadn't travelled through time when he was healed of his paralysis just after the plane crashed. Is the explanation for his condition not just the healing powers of the island?
TAC was the original crash not caused by an incident of time travel, was it not 1996 or some time around then when they landed on the Island? Thinking about though my theroy wouldnt work as when Locke left the island he wasnt paralysed again, which is the state hed have to be in for that to make sense. Feck it back to the drawing board on that one. I still stand by the claim that the time travel science in this season is not overally bad science and is better than most time travel shows.
They crashed in Sept 2004 I think, when they launched the first series. Each series progressed approximately a month on the island. Lostpedia.com gives you a timeline of when everything happened, even mentions Celtic winning the Scottish cup in 1995!
Quote from: Rav67 on March 02, 2009, 06:20:41 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on March 02, 2009, 05:39:15 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 02, 2009, 05:31:33 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on March 02, 2009, 05:16:37 PM
Quote from: nifan on March 02, 2009, 04:37:59 PM
QuoteAlso about time someones got the science of time travel even half right
What science have they got for time travel?
I thought that might get a reaction, im not saying the science in lost is perfect, far from it but from what ive seen in relation to the temporal mechanics its not as bad as most other time travel shows. I was referring to specifically how theyve tended to avoid paradoxes to date. With out spelling it out they have more or less been adhering to the Novikov principles in relation to temporal mechanics and a time travelers ability to travel. Also the science used whilst far from perfect is a lot better than what is often seen in time travel shows. I wouldnt be surprised if some form of cosmic string or wormhole theroy was further expanded in relation to the island.
As far as nose bleeds go my take on those was (and im not saying this is good science) it was effecting people when they were entering a time where they were not alive, either before their birth or after their death and the adjustment was for them to die. In the same way I think that would explain Locke coming back to life and being able walk in earlier seasons.
The only thing is that Locke hadn't travelled through time when he was healed of his paralysis just after the plane crashed. Is the explanation for his condition not just the healing powers of the island?
TAC was the original crash not caused by an incident of time travel, was it not 1996 or some time around then when they landed on the Island? Thinking about though my theroy wouldnt work as when Locke left the island he wasnt paralysed again, which is the state hed have to be in for that to make sense. Feck it back to the drawing board on that one. I still stand by the claim that the time travel science in this season is not overally bad science and is better than most time travel shows.
They crashed in Sept 2004 I think, when they launched the first series. Each series progressed approximately a month on the island. Lostpedia.com gives you a timeline of when everything happened, even mentions Celtic winning the Scottish cup in 1995!
Yeah but was there not some reference to it being 1996 on the island when the plane crashed but 2004 in the outside world
Quote from: David McKeown on March 02, 2009, 11:54:39 PM
Quote from: Rav67 on March 02, 2009, 06:20:41 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on March 02, 2009, 05:39:15 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 02, 2009, 05:31:33 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on March 02, 2009, 05:16:37 PM
Quote from: nifan on March 02, 2009, 04:37:59 PM
QuoteAlso about time someones got the science of time travel even half right
What science have they got for time travel?
I thought that might get a reaction, im not saying the science in lost is perfect, far from it but from what ive seen in relation to the temporal mechanics its not as bad as most other time travel shows. I was referring to specifically how theyve tended to avoid paradoxes to date. With out spelling it out they have more or less been adhering to the Novikov principles in relation to temporal mechanics and a time travelers ability to travel. Also the science used whilst far from perfect is a lot better than what is often seen in time travel shows. I wouldnt be surprised if some form of cosmic string or wormhole theroy was further expanded in relation to the island.
As far as nose bleeds go my take on those was (and im not saying this is good science) it was effecting people when they were entering a time where they were not alive, either before their birth or after their death and the adjustment was for them to die. In the same way I think that would explain Locke coming back to life and being able walk in earlier seasons.
The only thing is that Locke hadn't travelled through time when he was healed of his paralysis just after the plane crashed. Is the explanation for his condition not just the healing powers of the island?
TAC was the original crash not caused by an incident of time travel, was it not 1996 or some time around then when they landed on the Island? Thinking about though my theroy wouldnt work as when Locke left the island he wasnt paralysed again, which is the state hed have to be in for that to make sense. Feck it back to the drawing board on that one. I still stand by the claim that the time travel science in this season is not overally bad science and is better than most time travel shows.
They crashed in Sept 2004 I think, when they launched the first series. Each series progressed approximately a month on the island. Lostpedia.com gives you a timeline of when everything happened, even mentions Celtic winning the Scottish cup in 1995!
Yeah but was there not some reference to it being 1996 on the island when the plane crashed but 2004 in the outside world
Don't think so. When they were flying over and back from the freighter (in the outside world) in the last series there was only a day or two difference in time.
ok its on again tonight. it has to move a bit quicker now, or will it?
Quote from: milltown row on March 08, 2009, 07:41:41 PM
ok its on again tonight. it has to move a bit quicker now, or will it?
Hopefully. The last episode didn't deal with the main storyline at all so you'd expect this one to be fully focussed on it.
We'll probably find out what the craic is with Jin, everything will begin to make sense, and by 35 mins in we'll be thinking, 'yeah, I kinda get this now'. But with about 2 mins left we'll see some character from the first series jump up wearing a pirate outfit, playing chess with a talking pineapple. The confusion will return :-\ :(
you find out tonight what year jin, sawyer, jack, hurley etc are now on the island. an interesting episode...
Jeez wasn't expecting them to end up in the 70s! Does this mean that Jack and the ones on the plane also ended up back in 70s as they were met by Jin?
Bingo!
All fitting together a bit nicer now. No talking pineapple ending :)
2 weeks!! WTF >:( >:(
The fortnight long hiatus ends after the break..........
notes on last nights ep via Buddy TV:
Episode 5.9 "Namaste"
The Numbers
While landing the plane on the Island, the recording of the Numbers plays over the radio. However, that message was replaced by Rousseau's, which was taken down by Jack, so how were they still playing?
Runway
The runway Ajira 316 landed on was the same one the Others forced Kate and Sawyer to help build back in season 3. Juliet jokingly said it was for the aliens, but now it's starting to make sense. Perhaps in some weird time loop, Ben ordered the construction because he knew that he would be on the plane that would crash.
The Flame
The Flame station is the communications center, and was the same place Mikhail would be working to communicate with the outside world.
Radzinsky
Fans should have immediately recognized the name Radzinsky, as he was Kelvin Joe Inman's partner in the Swan Station until the 1990s, when he allegedly committed suicide. He was also responsible for drawing the blast door map, which now makes sense since he apparently helped plan the entire DHARMA Initiative construction.
The Swan Model
Radzinsky was shown working on a model for the geodesic dome in the computer room of the Swan Station. Ironically, it's the place he would spend most of his time, as he lived there until the mid-'90s, long after the Purge that wiped out most of the DHARMA Initiative.
Ethan
Amy's baby is named Ethan, and though it wasn't explicit, the score led everyone to believe he's Ethan Rom. This raises the question: how many of the Others are actually Hostiles, and how many are recruits, either from DHARMA or after?
"Dharma Lady"
The song playing during the group photo (also the song playing in Jin's van at the end of "316") is a Geronimo Jackson song called "Dharma Lady." Obviously it's not by them since Geronimo Jackson is a fictional '70s band, but the song was recently recorded and earlier this week it was made available for download on iTunes.
why did sun stay in 2007?
in what year are the remaining oceanic survivors i.e rose and bernard - are they all somewhere on the island in 1977?
Tonight's episode "He's our you" is new here in the States.
I am half way through it and wish Sayid would sneak up behind me and snap my neck.
This is the slowest episode ever!!!!!!!!!!
I hate that I have to keep watching this show since I already have so much time vested in it >:( >:(
This might help
http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=lostuntangled
Why is Sayid being such a stubborn ****? Join the party Sayid FFS!
When Desmond was visited by Faraday in the past, a memory was imposed on the future Desmond, the same with Widmore when Locke appeared in the camp. So when all this stuff is happening to the young Ben, I suppose he'll know that it was Sayid who shot him? Or will he be alive at all?
One thing im not sure about, this season, Ben told locke that Jack had just booked a ticket to fly to wherever it was "tonight", then Ben kills Locke. But in one of the other season, you see Jack looking at death notices in a paper for the death of jeremy Bentham, and then there is a scene where Jack goes to the funeral home etc. But if the flight that they all got back to the Island was the same day that Locke was killed, there wouldn't be enough time for a death notice and Locke being brought to the funeral home etc. Maybe just a mistake?
Quote from: The Claw on March 31, 2009, 02:08:45 PM
When Desmond was visited by Faraday in the past, a memory was imposed on the future Desmond, the same with Widmore when Locke appeared in the camp. So when all this stuff is happening to the young Ben, I suppose he'll know that it was Sayid who shot him? Or will he be alive at all?
One thing im not sure about, this season, Ben told locke that Jack had just booked a ticket to fly to wherever it was "tonight", then Ben kills Locke. But in one of the other season, you see Jack looking at death notices in a paper for the death of jeremy Bentham, and then there is a scene where Jack goes to the funeral home etc. But if the flight that they all got back to the Island was the same day that Locke was killed, there wouldn't be enough time for a death notice and Locke being brought to the funeral home etc. Maybe just a mistake?
I think Ben told Locke that Jack had booked a ticket to Sydney, in the last serious Jack told Kate that he had been using the free flights that Oceanic had given them because of the crash to fly to Sydney and back, (the same route that the original flight was on) in the hope that he would getback to the island, this was around the time of Locks death as far as I remember!
in the latest episode i thought it was funny when hurley kept staring at his hand making a reference to Back to The Future.
Now there are some amount of ridiculous episodes, but that one took the biscuit!!!
How are we supposed to believe that Saeed wouldn't have made sure he was dead and put a bullet in his brain?
QuoteHow are we supposed to believe that Saeed wouldn't have made sure he was dead and put a bullet in his brain?
And no doubt they'll suqre off that circle some time next season !
So anyone any suggestions as to the what, when, where, how, etc of Lockes reappearance tonight !?
Every scene Richard (the others) is in he is the same age, makes me wonder if the others are able to manipulate time and time travel with the use of the Island.
The dialogue with Hurley and Miles about the future and present was hilarious ;D
Season 6 and end-date
On May 7, 2007, ABC Entertainment President Stephen McPherson announced that Lost will end during the 2009–2010 season with a "highly anticipated and shocking finale."[74] "We felt that this was the only way to give Lost a proper creative conclusion," McPherson said.[74] Beginning with the 2007–2008 television season, the final 48 episodes would have been aired as three seasons with 16 episodes each, with Lost concluding in its sixth season. Due to the writers' strike, the fourth season featured 14 episodes, and Seasons 5 and 6 will have 17 episodes each.[75]
Executive producers Lindelof and Cuse stated that they "always envisioned Lost as a show with a beginning, middle, and end," and that by announcing when the show would end that viewers would "have the security of knowing that the story will play out as we've intended."[74] Lindelof and Cuse stated that securing the 2010 series-end date "was immensely liberating" and helped the series rediscover its focus.[76] Lindelof noted, "We're no longer stalling."[76] Matthew Fox stated that he is the only cast member who knows the ending of the show.[77]
They cleared up potential errors in the show anyway. The future Ben doesnt know that it was Sayid who shot him because the others fixed him and he won't remember what happened, which answers the question Hurley asked Miles.
Interesting that it was the original Losties that facilitated the transfer of Ben to the others, and therefore may have caused the Purge.
I read somewhere that the reason Richard doesnt age is because the Island is on a time loop, reset every 108 minutes by whoever is in the swan(?) station.
Quote from: The Claw on April 06, 2009, 12:49:34 AM
They cleared up potential errors in the show anyway. The future Ben doesnt know that it was Sayid who shot him because the others fixed him and he won't remember what happened, which answers the question Hurley asked Miles.
Interesting that it was the original Losties that facilitated the transfer of Ben to the others, and therefore may have caused the Purge.
I read somewhere that the reason Richard doesnt age is because the Island is on a time loop, reset every 108 minutes by whoever is in the swan(?) station.
I've seen that theory too but it doesn't square with the fact that the rest of the "Others" do seem to age. Richard is a case apart.
QuoteSo anyone any suggestions as to the what, when, where, how, etc of Lockes reappearance tonight !?
We already knew that Locke came back to life after the going onto the flight dead int he coffin. In a previous episode he explained to survivors of the most recent flight that Ben was the man who had killed him.
Hard to know what direction they'll take the rest of the series in now. (but then it always is!)
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 06, 2009, 12:54:21 AM
Quote from: The Claw on April 06, 2009, 12:49:34 AM
They cleared up potential errors in the show anyway. The future Ben doesnt know that it was Sayid who shot him because the others fixed him and he won't remember what happened, which answers the question Hurley asked Miles.
Interesting that it was the original Losties that facilitated the transfer of Ben to the others, and therefore may have caused the Purge.
I read somewhere that the reason Richard doesnt age is because the Island is on a time loop, reset every 108 minutes by whoever is in the swan(?) station.
I've seen that theory too but it doesn't square with the fact that the rest of the "Others" do seem to age. Richard is a case apart.
Actually now that I think about it, it doesn't really make sense because if the Island was on a loop, the Roussoux would have stayed at 16 yrs old coz she has been on the Island since then.
But maybe the original others don't age because really the only original other that we know of besides Richard is Widmore, who you could say aged off the Island. Am I right in saying that? That Richard and Widmore are the only true originals that we know?
Well Ben's been on the island for 30 years and has aged so if he did, why wouldn't Richard have? Don't think we know for sure that Richard or Widmore were born on the island. What about Faraday's mother?
Hmm, maybe you have to be an original other for the Island to have the effect on you. It could be why the others want to protect the Island so much, it also could explain why the Dharma crew couldnt have babies but that didn't seem to be a problem for the others because they never aged. ???
if eloise hawking and charles widmore were leaders of the others in 1977 does that mean that daniel faraday and penny widmore were born and raised on the island (possibly in the 1960's)?
Quote from: clarshack on April 06, 2009, 10:42:51 AM
if eloise hawking and charles widmore were leaders of the others in 1977 does that mean that daniel faraday and penny widmore were born and raised on the island (possibly in the 1960's)?
What if they are brother and sister?
I hope this series doesn't end as some dream sequence, like hurley went into a diabetic coma and has dreamed all this.
Reading this last dozen or so posts makes me feel like i have been drinking !
So many potential scnearios .....
Quote from: blast05 on April 06, 2009, 10:04:09 PM
Reading this last dozen or so posts makes me feel like i have been drinking !
So many potential scenarios .....
Yeah, I suspect when it all comes to a close there's gonna be a lot of very disappointed and underwhelmed people, but I doubt anyone will be able to complain that it was too predictable.
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on April 06, 2009, 05:13:47 PM
Quote from: clarshack on April 06, 2009, 10:42:51 AM
if eloise hawking and charles widmore were leaders of the others in 1977 does that mean that daniel faraday and penny widmore were born and raised on the island (possibly in the 1960's)?
What if they are brother and sister?
I hope this series doesn't end as some dream sequence, like hurley went into a diabetic coma and has dreamed all this.
probably!
I dont think the ending will be a deam but I have read that Matthew Fox is the only cast member that knows the 'big ending'
Halfway through the new episode "Some Like it Hoth" (correct spelling).
It is more like an older episode, not so many past sequences popping up.
Little bit more of pace to the plot, Hurley is my favorite character LOL. ;D
No spoiler, just watch and enjoy. :o
Next weeks episode is a perspective from a different side?
Two weeks is the 100th episode suppose to be brilliant ::).
Whats all this 'shadow of the statue' shite?
Quote from: AFS on April 19, 2009, 09:42:02 PM
Whats all this 'shadow of the statue' shite?
the guy (Bram) that asked Miles 'What lies in the shadow of the statue' in the van is also the same guy with the woman (Ilana) that asks Frank Lapidus the same question on the beach. are they other others? i've read elsewhere that the lampost lies in the shadow of the statue and that eloise hawking has a hand in all of this.
in last nights episode i thought it was hilarious that hurley was writing the script for the empire strikes back (with a few improvements) and was going to send it to George Lucas.
Very disappointed in last nites show. i was settling down to watch my favourite show on tv and it was a dam re-cap ep. i hate these. they give u no new information and was just bored.
Matthew Fox is rumoured to be the only cast member who knows the ending. Does Jack Sheppard wake up at the end and this is all a dream?....... i hope not.
Quote from: longball on April 27, 2009, 02:29:35 PM
Very disappointed in last nites show. i was settling down to watch my favourite show on tv and it was a dam re-cap ep. i hate these. they give u no new information and was just bored.
Matthew Fox is rumoured to be the only cast member who knows the ending. Does Jack Sheppard wake up at the end and this is all a dream?....... i hope not.
told you before longball, pack it in and get yourself The Wire boxset ;)
Listen the time ive invested in this show, watching eps, writing on forums, chasing up clues.... im read books about this show yes books..... cant give up now
Can someone tell me why Sun didn't go back in time when the rest of them did?
Quote from: Louth Exile on April 27, 2009, 03:54:09 PM
Can someone tell me why Sun didn't go back in time when the rest of them did?
My theory is that Ben didnt go back because Ben was already on the island in 1977 ie Young Ben therefore i feel sun, or a young sun as you will, already exists on the island. just a thought!
Miles is a baby in 1977 and also there as an adult, so dont think that theory works LB
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on April 27, 2009, 04:28:36 PM
Miles is a baby in 1977 and also there as an adult, so dont think that theory works LB
Damn thought i was onto something there good spot WFR. wonder y then ???
I think Sun, Ben and the "new" survivors of the "new" plane crash ended up on a different part of the Island and then a final Island flash propelled Hurley, Jack, and Freckles to the past. I guess ???
Now with new survivors the show can have a spin off :D
The lady who grabbed Sayid is a tough cookie who probably is taking the spot of the tough hispanic cop who was killed off.
Just watched the latest episode FANTASTIC
More like it use to be, Hurley again with the best line :D
A lot of questions answered, but opens a whole bunch also :o
Ya the latest episode is one of my all time favourites!!
Its like the start of a big build up to the end of the season.... I can see where they are going with it.
Wont say anymore but... dont miss it.
great epsiode! seems obvious that the energy released from the swan station is going to send everybody from 1977(that shoudnt be there) to 2007.
I missed Sunday nights espisode. Do RTE show any repeats or is there anywhere on the web I can see it?
Quote from: amallon on May 04, 2009, 05:51:05 PM
I missed Sunday nights espisode. Do RTE show any repeats or is there anywhere on the web I can see it?
They repeat it on Friday or Saturday nights I think. Sky repeat it practically every day. Bound to be loadsa torrents for it too
Newest episode "Follow the Leader"
GREAT episode.
Locke is the man.
Does anyone know how Richard stays the same age throughout all these time jumps?
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on May 07, 2009, 02:45:56 AM
Does anyone know how Richard stays the same age throughout all these time jumps?
Would you not think that he would only be 3 years or so older as he is travelling through time?
Sawyer and the rest were only three years in the Dharma Initiative before Jack and rest came along.
Perhaps Richard is time travelling since then.... Which would make him only 3 years older (hope im making sense)
I've finally cracked it.
I think i am the first person in the world to do so.
Here it is. (at least my theory)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormhole
Your talkin out of your hole Seany... ;)
I has to be something crazy like that to explain the disappearing island, time travel etc etc,,,
Quote from: Seany on May 07, 2009, 02:45:34 PM
I've finally cracked it.
I think i am the first person in the world to do so.
Here it is. (at least my theory)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormhole
Your Theory? ;)
Are you sure that Hermann Weyl, John Archibald Wheeler or Schwarzschild or Einstein didnt come up with wormholes first? :P
What did everyone think of last nites showing?
Im going to Kill Jacob!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't like the way that Lost is starting to shape at the possibility that if the bomb destroys whatever then the plane crash will never have happened. If the last episode involves the plane not crashing and safely landing in LA with John Locke bein wheeled af it, then I for one will be livid, nothing would be explained and all in all the last x number of years watching lost would have been wasted because it might never have happened at all...
Quote from: screenmachine on May 11, 2009, 01:32:14 PM
I don't like the way that Lost is starting to shape at the possibility that if the bomb destroys whatever then the plane crash will never have happened. If the last episode involves the plane not crashing and safely landing in LA with John Locke bein wheeled af it, then I for one will be livid, nothing would be explained and all in all the last x number of years watching lost would have been wasted because it might never have happened at all...
I feel that this is the way it is going:
Locke wheeled off.
Jack back being super doc.
Charlie back on the road as a superstar (and alive)
Hurly back to his millions
Kate back to jail
etc etc
thats what I'm beginning to fear longball, that would be a devastating way to finish a great tv show. Its such an easy get out for the writers to close off the whole show. If we can't explain lets just say it never happened anyway! I'd rather Hurley has dreamt it all in a mental institute than end this other way!
Is the double episode this Sunday night the last every episode??
I don't think so LE, I think the next season is the last one. There would be an awful lot of explainin left to do in an hour and a half if it is! :D
Its just the end of the series still another series to go. thank god my life would be so empty.
when lost is taking the break til the new season what will everyone replace it with, the following have been recommended to me:
The Wire
The Inbetweeners
I havent seen ANY eps of the above but may get into them when lost is on hyatieses
Season Finale is tonight here in the States.
Titled "The Incident" info- Jack is determined to formulate a plan.
Hope it will be as good as the last 3.
If you want to watch something while Lost is off til next year I recommend " Rescue Me " with Dennis Leary. Rescue Me is broadcast on FX network in the States.
HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WOW,WOW AND WOW.
If you have watched this show from the beginning, this episode is what you were expecting.
Just watched it twice now and will watch it maybe 3 or more times.
You can see where things are going and still can not at the same time(typical).
Next season is the last, Titled "Destiny Found"
Wish I could tell what I think but don't want to spoil it for others.
Watched it tonight. waowwwwwwwww
gonna watch it tonight, cant wait!
Im waiting until Sunday to watch it. so no spoilers! im gonna be gutted when lost comes to an end
Is it a double episode season finale?
Av it! :) :) :)
From 2days Daily Mirror
Hit teleivision series LOST has spawned its own recap rock band. The band have taken it upon themselves to record a song after each episode to recap the storyline. One recent ditty- about the hydrogen bomb buried below the village in which Sawyer and his fellow survivors have been living for the past 3 years goes:
'Scientists are scrambling to contrain the energy below/Farraday has no time to explain, this baby's gonna blow- oh no'
Longball do not drag Lost down from its lofty perch by associating it with that rubbish! :D
:D its in todays paper!
just watched the finale. f*ckin hell - what a twist! definitely needs to be watched at least twice. in fact i'd say the episodes from when the plane crashed in 2007 need to be watched again.
What a load of oul bollocks. Complete cop-out.
Twist me hole, sure that was all predicted on this thread.
Quote from: Donagh on May 15, 2009, 11:24:30 PM
What a load of oul bollocks. Complete cop-out.
Twist me hole, sure that was all predicted on this thread.
the twist about locke? dont think anybody seen that coming.
Stop it with the nearly spoilers lads ffs >:(
wont say any more.
Quote from: clarshack on May 15, 2009, 11:42:25 PM
the twist about locke? dont think anybody seen that coming.
Hmm... Will take it up again on Sunday night after the rest have seen it.
On early on RTE here in case anyone is missing it.
Right, what was that all about? Who is Locke?
Quote from: AFS on May 17, 2009, 10:02:27 PM
Right, what was that all about? Who is Locke?
What he said?
Who was the boy on the beach at the start with Jacob?
Did he some how take over Locke's body/form ???
Quote from: gawa316 on May 17, 2009, 10:23:59 PM
Quote from: AFS on May 17, 2009, 10:02:27 PM
Right, what was that all about? Who is Locke?
What he said?
Who was the boy on the beach at the start with Jacob?
Did he some how take over Locke's body/form ???
The 2 lads on the beach were obviously Jacob and his arch-enemy away back when the Black Rock arrived on the island. Seems like people have been arriving for a long time.
The arch enemy is probably why the plane surviors kept seeing dead people from the past...and a lot of the plot is based around him trying to kill Jacob. Anyone know when the last series is due?
I see the two on the beach (Jacob/other guy) as good and evil (white top/black top), similar to the others and the Dharma group.
It seems like this could go as a biblica/religous story line.
The term Dharma.ogg dharma (help·info) (Sanskrit: dhárma, Pāḷi dhamma), is an Indian spiritual and religious term, that means one's righteous duty or any virtuous path in the common sense of the term.[1] In Indian languages it contextually implies one's religion. Throughout Indian philosophy, Dharma is presented as a central concept that is used in order to explain the "higher truth" or ultimate reality of the universe.
The word dharma literally translates as that which upholds or supports, and is generally translated into English as law. The word "dharma" can also be translated as "the teachings of the Buddha".
The various Indian religions and philosophy (Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, and Sikhism, among others) have all accorded a central focus to Dharma and advocate its practice. Each of these religions emphasizes Dharma as the correct understanding of reality in its teachings.[2] In these traditions, beings that live in accordance with Dharma proceed more quickly toward Dharma Yukam, Moksha or Nirvana (personal liberation). Dharma also refers to the teachings and doctrines of the founders of these traditions, such as those of Gautama Buddha and Mahavira. In traditional Hindu society with its caste structure, Dharma constituted the religious and moral doctrine of the rights and duties of each individual. (see dharmasastra). Dharma in its universal meaning shares much in common with the way of Tao or Taoism.
The antonym of dharma is adharma meaning unnatural or immoral.
I believe the Locke in the temple was the "other guy" in black using Locke's form to kill Jacob--remember he said he wanted to kill Jacob and would find a loophole. He used Ben to do this and Locke is dead.
There is no way Juliette could have survived a fall like that ::)
Off course, I have no problem believing everything else about the show, the time travel, moving an island, the polar bears and so on. 8)
The way i see it:
Jacob is a god like character- white top on the beach
the other guy on the beach at the start is the devil like character- black top on the beach
Ben- is one of Jacobs servants- he believed without even seeing! done what he was told etc. the other guy, like the devil took form in as a snake for adam and eve, took the form of JL to turn Ben, this was the loophole only one of Jacobs folowers could kill him.
dunno if im way off the mark but just whats going tru my head
Jacob didn't turn out to be that hard after all did he? Weedy wee Ben just had a pop at him and that was that! What was the craic with Jacob throughout the show coming into contact with all the Losties, was he subconciously attracting them to the island? I also enjoyed the way Jacob spontaneously combusted when Locke/Black Top Man kicked him into the fire!
Also, the hydrogen bomb thing fell what looked like a couple of hundred feet with no result. Juliette slaps it a couple of times with a stone and the whole thing blows the smithereens! Am I correct in assuming then that if Faraday's plan/idea is correct then none of this is relevant is it will never have happened? Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Started kopping on when i seen the reaction on Richard when he said that the one thing he had never seen on the island was someone coming back to life....
It could also be that this new guy (in black on the beach) has been the one appearing to locke as chriastian telling him what all to do. Telling him he had to leave the island and die etc etc this was his loophole to get back on the island.
How the hell are they gunna do a whole new series now tho, the friggn bomb has went off!!??
And Jacobs last words.... who the hell is coming??
as i said above Jacob appearing to the losties off the island was sorta godlike way:
telling Kate be good
Sawyer that revenue wasnt the way
Sun and Jin to respect their love and their marriage should be forever
the other guy on the beach prob took the form of Christian! This was to make sure locke/Ben done what he wanted. He needed to take form of Locke as the leader of the others.
I wouldnt worry about Jacob being killed so easily, as Frank the Pilot is a 'candidate' i think we could see Jacob taking his form!
i think miles was right in that he said that detonating the bomb would cause the incident and not prevent it and that maybe they should do nothing. i think faraday told them they could reset their time on the island so that they WOULD detonate the bomb (so that the timeline that we have all seen so far in the show would be continued).
at the start the other guy (this other guy could well be the smoke monster) said to jacob in regards to the black rock 'you brought them here'. the other guy then says that it always ends the same - they corrupt, they fight etc. so it seems that jacob has been bringing people to the island i.e. oceanic 6 for some reason.
i wouldnt be sure that juliet is dead. didnt the same kind of thing happen to desmond? and he was found naked in the jungle.
Quote from: longball on May 18, 2009, 09:31:18 AM
I wouldnt worry about Jacob being killed so easily, as Frank the Pilot is a 'candidate' i think we could see Jacob taking his form!
Of course, i was wondering what that was about!
I think the "Other Guy" in the dark shirt was able to assume Christian Shepards and John Lockes body are they were both dead, in caskets on a plane that crashed on the island. So it seems he is able to assume peoples bodys if they died off the island and were brought to it.
Also it seems that Jacob made physical contact with everyone by touching their hand or shoulder.
I would put this down to some sort of healing power rather than convincing them to come back with the touch.
He didnt touch Sayid
Also I cant see Juliet dying. She is too hot and popular a character for her to die.
She was at the source of the drilling and beside the Hydrogen bomb. Would love to see her get some superpowers! :D
Kate is a slut
Jacob obviously knew what was going to happen - he had the new crash ones bring the body of locke to Richard so he must have known locke would be there and be dead, and that Richard would need to see the body.
Quote from: nifan on May 18, 2009, 12:01:35 PM
Jacob obviously knew what was going to happen - he had the new crash ones bring the body of locke to Richard so he must have known locke would be there and be dead, and that Richard would need to see the body.
So what do you think will happen?
So are the ones that Jacob visited in the past the ones who are coming? Are Sawyer and the rest who he's on about?
When is the new season due to Air? What is the role of Dharma in all of this?
was good to see Vicent back ;D
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on May 18, 2009, 12:52:00 PM
So are the ones that Jacob visited in the past the ones who are coming? Are Sawyer and the rest who he's on about?
thats what i was thinkn.... so this other guy in the blacks loophole was being able to enter the island if someone dead was brought to the island aka locke and christian.
Jacob had asked for ur girl Alana's help when she was in hospital, and she and her group where carrying Locke's dead body in that box and bringing it to where Jacob was suppose to be (the wooden shack in the jungle). So did Jacob already know that Locke was dead and the impersonator was the fella dressed in black from the beach? He didn't put up much a fight to being stabbed either for such a god like being
Quote from: Hank Everlast on May 18, 2009, 01:04:04 PM
thats what i was thinkn.... so this other guy in the blacks loophole was being able to enter the island if someone dead was brought to the island aka locke and christian.
The loophole was more that jacob could be killed by one of his followers i think.
Quote from: BenDover on May 18, 2009, 01:24:04 PM
Jacob had asked for ur girl Alana's help when she was in hospital, and she and her group where carrying Locke's dead body in that box and bringing it to where Jacob was suppose to be (the wooden shack in the jungle). So did Jacob already know that Locke was dead and the impersonator was the fella dressed in black from the beach? He didn't put up much a fight to being stabbed either for such a god like being
See my earlier comment re this
Quote from: nifan on May 18, 2009, 01:25:43 PM
Quote from: Hank Everlast on May 18, 2009, 01:04:04 PM
thats what i was thinkn.... so this other guy in the blacks loophole was being able to enter the island if someone dead was brought to the island aka locke and christian.
The loophole was more that jacob could be killed by one of his followers i think.
I mentioned this earlier as well it must be like a JUDAS type thing!
at least we found out what happened to rose and bernard! i take it they were the only survivors from the flaming arrows incident in 1954. this would leave it that the majority of the oceanic 815 survivors (i think there were around 70 survivors out of about 320 passengers) are now dead?
Quote from: BenDover on May 18, 2009, 01:24:04 PM
Jacob had asked for ur girl Alana's help when she was in hospital, and she and her group where carrying Locke's dead body in that box and bringing it to where Jacob was suppose to be (the wooden shack in the jungle). So did Jacob already know that Locke was dead and the impersonator was the fella dressed in black from the beach? He didn't put up much a fight to being stabbed either for such a god like being
Ilana's friends put Jack into the back of a black van and asked Jack to come back to the island with them. That happened about Episode 7 or 8.
That big guy that was with Illana... I cant seem to find his character name. He told Jack "We are the good guys". They were working for JAcob at the time so that suggests that Jacob wanted them to launch the bomb... so the plan never crashes and the bad guy in the black shirt never assumes the body of Christian or Locke.
Quote from: AbbeySider on May 18, 2009, 02:21:46 PM
Quote from: BenDover on May 18, 2009, 01:24:04 PM
Jacob had asked for ur girl Alana's help when she was in hospital, and she and her group where carrying Locke's dead body in that box and bringing it to where Jacob was suppose to be (the wooden shack in the jungle). So did Jacob already know that Locke was dead and the impersonator was the fella dressed in black from the beach? He didn't put up much a fight to being stabbed either for such a god like being
Ilana's friends put Jack into the back of a black van and asked Jack to come back to the island with them. That happened about Episode 7 or 8.
That big guy that was with Illana... I cant seem to find his character name. He told Jack "We are the good guys". They were working for JAcob at the time so that suggests that Jacob wanted them to launch the bomb... so the plan never crashes and the bad guy in the black shirt never assumes the body of Christian or Locke.
I could be wrong here AS, but was it not
Miles that they threw in the back of the van, and asked him ' whats lies beneath the shadow of the statue?' Still curious as too what Frank might be a candidate for? Nice finish all the same, as we havent a clue what way its going to end.
As I stated pages ago the science behind the time travel element has been quite good re Novikovian principles and cosmic string theory. Consequently I think the show will develop to show that Miles is right, its only by exploding the bomb did the future pan out the way we had already seen it. If not then, unless the only difference between the future we had seen and the future they were trying to create was the actual exploding of the nuke then the sheer fact that they even tried to explode the nuclear weapon would have altered the future we had seen in unimaginable ways.
Also I would have imagined Whitmore etc knew about and survived the Nuke based on what we have seen in previous episodes
Quote from: David McKeown on May 18, 2009, 03:03:57 PM
As I stated pages ago the science behind the time travel element has been quite good re Novikovian principles and cosmic string theory. Consequently I think the show will develop to show that Miles is right, its only by exploding the bomb did the future pan out the way we had already seen it. If not then, unless the only difference between the future we had seen and the future they were trying to create was the actual exploding of the nuke then the sheer fact that they even tried to explode the nuclear weapon would have altered the future we had seen in unimaginable ways.
Also I would have imagined Whitmore etc knew about and survived the Nuke based on what we have seen in previous episodes
well that went way over my head.... ;)
Quote from: David McKeown on May 18, 2009, 03:03:57 PM
As I stated pages ago the science behind the time travel element has been quite good re Novikovian principles and cosmic string theory. Consequently I think the show will develop to show that Miles is right, its only by exploding the bomb did the future pan out the way we had already seen it. If not then, unless the only difference between the future we had seen and the future they were trying to create was the actual exploding of the nuke then the sheer fact that they even tried to explode the nuclear weapon would have altered the future we had seen in unimaginable ways.
Also I would have imagined Whitmore etc knew about and survived the Nuke based on what we have seen in previous episodes
My tongue is in a knot after reading that :o
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on May 18, 2009, 02:57:52 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on May 18, 2009, 02:21:46 PM
Ilana's friends put Jack into the back of a black van and asked Jack to come back to the island with them. That happened about Episode 7 or 8.
That big guy that was with Illana... I cant seem to find his character name. He told Jack "We are the good guys". They were working for JAcob at the time so that suggests that Jacob wanted them to launch the bomb... so the plan never crashes and the bad guy in the black shirt never assumes the body of Christian or Locke.
I could be wrong here AS, but was it not Miles that they threw in the back of the van, and asked him ' whats lies beneath the shadow of the statue?' Still curious as too what Frank might be a candidate for? Nice finish all the same, as we havent a clue what way its going to end.
Correct wherefromreferee!
I was just seeing were you awake!
Quote from: David McKeown on May 18, 2009, 03:03:57 PM
As I stated pages ago the science behind the time travel element has been quite good re Novikovian principles and cosmic string theory. Consequently I think the show will develop to show that Miles is right, its only by exploding the bomb did the future pan out the way we had already seen it. If not then, unless the only difference between the future we had seen and the future they were trying to create was the actual exploding of the nuke then the sheer fact that they even tried to explode the nuclear weapon would have altered the future we had seen in unimaginable ways.
Also I would have imagined Whitmore etc knew about and survived the Nuke based on what we have seen in previous episodes
Aye, I'd say Miles was definitely right. There wouldn't have been any point in him having that line if he was wrong and what he said was of no consequence.
Quote from: AbbeySider on May 18, 2009, 11:42:26 AM
Also it seems that Jacob made physical contact with everyone by touching their hand or shoulder.
I would put this down to some sort of healing power rather than convincing them to come back with the touch.
He didnt touch Sayid
Did he not touch Sayid on the shoulder just as the woman is hit with the car?
Whenever Ben stabbed Jacob as he was dying Jacob said something like 'they are coming now'..... fakeLocke looked mad then kicked him into the fire!
Who is coming?
Quote from: longball on May 19, 2009, 10:39:30 AM
Whenever Ben stabbed Jacob as he was dying Jacob said something like 'they are coming now'..... fakeLocke looked mad then kicked him into the fire!
Who is coming?
I presumed it was Richard and Ilana and the other people who were on the beach close by.
Couple of interesting points occur re Jacob and Sayid:
1. Jacob saved Sayid's life by calling him back when the wife got mowed down
2. Jacob (using Ilana) forced Sayid to go back to the island
Did Jacob make all these ones come to the Island so that everything they done to date was for the reason detenating the bomb. Jacob knew that he was gonna be killed but by the bomb blowing up none of this has happened and hes back
Quote from: longball on May 19, 2009, 12:12:40 PM
Did Jacob make all these ones come to the Island so that everything they done to date was for the reason detenating the bomb. Jacob knew that he was gonna be killed but by the bomb blowing up none of this has happened and hes back
Could well be....
when he said they are coming i thought he ment, sayid, kate, hurley, jin, sun, sawyer, locke, jack, juliette... the ones that he had went back to.
Quote from: Hound on May 19, 2009, 11:34:10 AM
Quote from: longball on May 19, 2009, 10:39:30 AM
Whenever Ben stabbed Jacob as he was dying Jacob said something like 'they are coming now'..... fakeLocke looked mad then kicked him into the fire!
Who is coming?
I presumed it was Richard and Ilana and the other people who were on the beach close by.
Couple of interesting points occur re Jacob and Sayid:
1. Jacob saved Sayid's life by calling him back when the wife got mowed down
2. Jacob (using Ilana) forced Sayid to go back to the island
I reckon if Jacob had not called Sayid back then his wife not have got killed as they would both have continued walking. The way it played was that she stopped and Sayied stepped back.
Quote from: Hank Everlast on May 19, 2009, 12:53:18 PM
Quote from: longball on May 19, 2009, 12:12:40 PM
Did Jacob make all these ones come to the Island so that everything they done to date was for the reason detenating the bomb. Jacob knew that he was gonna be killed but by the bomb blowing up none of this has happened and hes back
Could well be....
when he said they are coming i thought he ment, sayid, kate, hurley, jin, sun, sawyer, locke, jack, juliette... the ones that he had went back to.
The blinding flash of light at the end when Juliette was bashing the bomb could have been Sayid, Sawyer, Jack, Juliette, Hurley, Kate, Jin all going back to the present, rather than the bomb exploding (or both).
Quote from: Hound on May 19, 2009, 05:58:19 PM
The blinding flash of light at the end when Juliette was bashing the bomb could have been Sayid, Sawyer, Jack, Juliette, Hurley, Kate, Jin all going back to the present, rather than the bomb exploding (or both).
The flashes for the travelling in time were a bit more gradual...
Quote from: AN other on May 19, 2009, 06:31:38 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 19, 2009, 05:58:19 PM
The blinding flash of light at the end when Juliette was bashing the bomb could have been Sayid, Sawyer, Jack, Juliette, Hurley, Kate, Jin all going back to the present, rather than the bomb exploding (or both).
The flashes for the travelling in time were a bit more gradual...
Did you also notice that the Lost music faded to white... with the word "Lost" in faded grey?
Kinda freaked me out! :o
(I was so used to the fade to black with "Lost" in white)
Final season starts Feb 2 here in the states
It all starts again this week.
get in there. best show ever made!!
Series 6 starts tonight on RTE 2 at 9pm.
Gonna watch this tomorrow night instead so I may avoid this thread later.
I'll be glad when it's all over though, despite how good it is. Over 100 episodes watched now!!
Quote from: Agnes Dipesto on February 04, 2010, 07:33:20 PM
Series 6 starts tonight on RTE 2 at 9pm.
It is blocked on Cable in the North. B@5(@£>'s
A nice wee season opener. It's good to have it back
Whats going on with the alternate reality with the plane landing? Change from the flashbacks/flashforwards it seems.
Quote from: ballinaman on February 05, 2010, 09:59:04 AM
Whats going on with the alternate reality with the plane landing? Change from the flashbacks/flashforwards it seems.
Aye that's a bit weird.
Anyone else getting a bit of a religious vibe out of it?
Jacob = God
Smoke Monster/ Locke = Devil
I hope that's not the line it goes down :-\
Quote from: ballinaman on February 05, 2010, 09:59:04 AM
Whats going on with the alternate reality with the plane landing? Change from the flashbacks/flashforwards it seems.
In the reminder beforehand narrated by Ben, he says - fate has a way of working itself out no matter what we do to change it. It might be to show that the plane landing or not, the outcome would be the same?
Quote from: AFS on February 05, 2010, 10:14:31 AM
Jacob = God
Smoke Monster/ Locke = Devil
I hope that's not the line it goes down :-\
I think we can accept that Jocob (now Sayid?) and Locke (the bad guy) represent good and evil in some form. The smoke monster killed Mr Eco for no apparent reason. Mr Eco was a priest trying to build a church. Maybe this is why he died. The new others live in a temple. More religion???
I think there might be a connection between the 2 realities somehow. Did you see how Jack looked at Desmond when he saw him first and Juliet saying it worked just before she died, maybe she could see into the new reality a bit like how Desmond could see the future before.
Desmond being on the plane. Bomb being blown up in 1977 which perhaps sunk the island obviously meant he would never have to have gone to the island.
New reality is a bit different though, Boone's sister not going on plane, Desmond on the plane, losing Coffin of Jacks father, hurley being lucky....
Good call by Zap about Jacob taking on Sayids body, could be alright.
lost has become even more confusing!
i think jack recognises desmond on the plane from the time they met each other in the football stadium circa 2001 as there is no reason why that meeting wouldnt have taken place. when they 1st met in the swan station jack recognised him as well.
agree that jacob has taken on sayid's body.
Was Desmond really on the plane? Jack is the only one who spoke to him. He appeard when Jack was gone and disappeared the same way. It wasn't Desmonds seat either.
Jack had long hair on the plane while he had a shaved head on the original flight. He had long hair after he got off the Island. Michael and Walt weren't seen on the plane. Who was the mouthy guy sleeping between Locke and Boone? I remember him but don't know why.
Jack told Locke that nothing is irreversable. Could be significant?
Quote from: Zapatista on February 05, 2010, 10:49:55 AM
Was Desmond really on the plane? Jack is the only one who spoke to him. He appeared when Jack was gone and disappeared the same way. It wasn't Desmond's seat either.
Jack had long hair on the plane while he had a shaved head on the original flight. He had long hair after he got off the Island. Michael and Walt weren't seen on the plane. Who was the mouthy guy sleeping between Locke and Boone? I remember him but don't know why.
Jack told Locke that nothing is irreversible. Could be significant?
Wouldn't read too much into that. I'd say the writers conveniently forgot about them as it'd have been difficult to make the 16/ 17 year old Walt look like a 10 year old again.
dirty cnuts blocked lost on rte on sky tonight. thank fcuk for terrestial.
yeah wtf was going on with SKY tonight blocking the signal for LOST - it was grand last week for the opening episode.
I thought tonights was mostly filler.
Big episode tonight. Really get the feeling that they're finally turning into the home stretch now.
was lethal episode tonight, finally know what the numbers are about now, brilliant!
hope they keep answering questions
Quote from: randomtask on February 18, 2010, 10:51:48 PM
was lethal episode tonight, finally know what the numbers are about now, brilliant!
hope they keep answering questions
I was disappointed with that. The numbers played a big part in the show and so far they are only numbers attached to names of 6 people on the island. I don't think it was worth it if that's all they were. There must be something more to it.
Any one been looking at the similarities between the life of Jacob (of Jacobs ladder) and lost??
From lastnight I think the little blond fella might have been Aaron? Soyer could see him as Soyer had decided to follow Locke (to the dark side) while Richard didn't.
The real Locke temporarily reappeard saying 'don't tell me what I can't do" but then returned to the bad Locke (who seemed to forget he saw the boy when he returned to Soyer).
Kate's name wasn't on the roof of the cave?
I think Elana is related to Jacob which would open more similarities to the point at the beginning of this post.
Quote from: Zapatista on February 19, 2010, 10:41:49 AM
Any one been looking at the similarities between the life of Jacob (of Jacobs ladder) and lost??
From lastnight I think the little blond fella might have been Aaron? Soyer could see him as Soyer had decided to follow Locke (to the dark side) while Richard didn't.
The real Locke temporarily reappeard saying 'don't tell me what I can't do" but then returned to the bad Locke (who seemed to forget he saw the boy when he returned to Soyer).
Kate's name wasn't on the roof of the cave?
I think Elana is related to Jacob which would open more similarities to the point at the beginning of this post.
I think any similarities with Jacob's ladder are coincidental. There's no chance it'll end up just being someone's dream anyway.
I'm glad Kate's name wasn't there. She's the most boring character in the show, hopefully she'll be sat on the periphery for the rest of the series.
I'm mean Jacobs life. Not just that part of it.
Quote from: Zapatista on February 19, 2010, 11:00:31 AM
I'm mean Jacobs life. Not just that part of it.
Which bits? Been a while since I've seen it.
Wouldn't be surprised if there was a reference to it somewhere I suppose. They've given wee nods and winks at dozens of novels, songs and movies throughout the run of the show, most of which seem to have nothing to do with where Lost is heading though.
Not the movie but from the Old Testament.
Jocob had a twin Brother named Esau. They had a big fight. There are many connectsions to the story and lost from characters names to their personalities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob#Jacob_and_Esau.27s_birth
Ahh. Now it makes sense. Yeah, I see people talking about Esau on other forums when referring to the Smoke Monster/ Fake Locke/ Black shirt guy from the beach.
Have to say I agree with the idea that this is not an alternative reality but rather that the bomb meant the original plane didnt crash but that the Island brought all of them to the Island by some other means.
I must have missed the bit about the numbers how was it explained? I remember reading an interview with JJ Abrahams a year or so ago when he said he wouldnt explain everything particularly the numbers. Also agree that Sayid may now be Jacob
OK, so we're still not sure what this "sickness" is all about that Clare has. Possibly a severe case of paranoia!
Am I right in saying that they seemed to just give Jack a kid out of no where? When flash forwards were going on, there was no sign of Jack being in contact with David. It was just himself, Kate and Aaron.
It seems that Jacob is the good guy now and the dude in Locke's body is the bad guy. Question is, I thought the guy in Locke's body just wanted to go home - why is liaising with Clare etc? And why isn't Sawyer with the Locke dude?
Quote from: The Claw on February 26, 2010, 10:27:13 AM
OK, so we're still not sure what this "sickness" is all about that Clare has. Possibly a severe case of paranoia!
Am I right in saying that they seemed to just give Jack a kid out of no where? When flash forwards were going on, there was no sign of Jack being in contact with David. It was just himself, Kate and Aaron.
It seems that Jacob is the good guy now and the dude in Locke's body is the bad guy. Question is, I thought the guy in Locke's body just wanted to go home - why is liaising with Clare etc? And why isn't Sawyer with the Locke dude?
I think it's fairly clear that it's some kind of influence or 'infection' by that Esau/ Smoke Monster/ Fake Locke character.
It's almost looking too obvious that Jacob is the good guy and the other lad is bad. Hope the big finale isn't just some shite twist where we find out that Jacob is actually bad and the other fella was the good guy all along.
The biggest question I want to answer to is who will be the next protector of the Island????
Alright episode apart from this bit and the last five minutes, which were mental.
(http://i45.tinypic.com/2dwf9mu.jpg)
Quote from: AFS on March 04, 2010, 11:18:07 PM
Alright episode apart from this bit and the last five minutes, which were mental.
(http://i45.tinypic.com/2dwf9mu.jpg)
Poor scene.
good to see a bit of action.
Quote from: The Claw on February 26, 2010, 02:37:34 PM
The biggest question I want to answer to is who will be the next protector of the Island????
There is no protector. THe island is under the sea ;)
You didn't like the Keamy bit? He was a cool bastard.
Quote from: AFS on March 05, 2010, 12:12:43 AM
You didn't like the Keamy bit? He was a cool b**tard.
I liked him in his army get up not telling me how good his eggs are.
Bet they were f**king cool eggs though. There've been some great characters in this show, even in the minor roles. I think that's why I've stuck with it even though the plot has been frustrating as hell for the last couple of years.
Good to see the two sides seem to be taking shape so early, thought we'd have another 3 or 4 episodes of f**king about at the temple. Apparently this promo picture from a few months ago might be giving away a few clues about the sides. Or it could be just some classic Lost misdirection.
Maybe spoiler (probably not):
http://www.comicbookdaily.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/LastSupper_Lost-2.jpg (http://www.comicbookdaily.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/LastSupper_Lost-2.jpg)
You got to love the RTE continuity announcers:
"This weeks Lost when some questions will be answered"
"Watch next week, when some pieces of the jigsaw will be filled in"
Not a chance, I am convinced that at the end we will still be no wiser!!
Jack's Father must have been the smoke monster before he was locke. Claire referred to him as 'my friend' and not 'Locke'.
Was it Jacks father that told Locke in order to come back he had to die?
Quote from: Zapatista on March 05, 2010, 03:18:53 PM
Jack's Father must have been the smoke monster before he was locke. Claire referred to him as 'my friend' and not 'Locke'.
Was it Jacks father that told Locke in order to come back he had to die?
Smoke monster has been lots of people before it became Locke, including Christian. The only human form it can take now is Locke though.
Richard tells Locke that the only way to save the Island is to get those who left to come back; and in order to do that, he will have to die.
Bit of a set up episode last night. Not a lot happened, but it tidied a few things up in anticipation for the next big event. The two sides seem to be well formed, although there's definitely scope for a few defections. Was very pleased to see Widmore at the end. I was beginning to think that they were going to leave a lot of loose ends for us to figure out by ourselves, but his reintroduction seems to be the latest development in the whole clearing things up trend.
Kinda spoiler:
Been reading elsewhere that the second or third last episode will not contain any of the regular cast members. It's been speculated that this episode will contain Jacob and MIB's back stories and explain the origins of the island.
Who was la fleure again? Was it one of Sawyer's alter egos?
Yes he was Jim Lafleur when he was with Juliet living on the island after the others got home.
Cheers, Also (sorry) why/how did Charles get fucked off the Island in the first place? (its that long ago and I am now that confused that I can't remember)
Ben had Whidmore exiled....
A good site for those who need refreshing, so much has went on that I have forgot about myself.
lostpedia.org (http://lostpedia.org)
Quote from: Zapatista on March 04, 2010, 11:57:38 PM
Quote from: AFS on March 04, 2010, 11:18:07 PM
Alright episode apart from this bit and the last five minutes, which were mental.
(http://i45.tinypic.com/2dwf9mu.jpg)
Poor scene.
good to see a bit of action.
Quote from: The Claw on February 26, 2010, 02:37:34 PM
The biggest question I want to answer to is who will be the next protector of the Island????
There is no protector. THe island is under the sea ;)
Thats a great scene. I watched the next episode the package last night. This guy Kermy makes another appearance- God I would love some eggs.
Whats the odds the show will end with Jack and Sawyer sitting on the beach replicating the scene with Jacob and the Black Smoke boyoo?
Could be onto something there nrico.
Class episode last week with Richard, first back story in a while. Better than all these shitty, confusing sideways stories.
How many more episodes after this week's?
Quote from: AFS on April 01, 2010, 02:01:31 PM
Could be onto something there nrico.
Class episode last week with Richard, first back story in a while. Better than all these shitty, confusing sideways stories.
How many more episodes after this week's?
A lot of people seem to b predictng this sort of ending on the online LOST forum's.
Has anyone ever hd a lost moment? I you don't know what I mean here's mine:
I got jjob in a firm. I was in an office with one woman. This job was a good 40 miles away so I never knew anyone who worked in it. Anyway we got talking one day and i turned outthat I used to do the books for the boss of her husband. And she phoned into the accountants that I worked at in order to get copy payslips for her husband and was talking me sh was talking to and done the work for them. Weird.
Also I have only ever been on one Celtic match in my life and so has my current boss and guess what....... IT WAS THE SAME GAME.
i have just watched this weeks show.
kinda coming together......i think.
I missed tonights espisode. Anyone know where I can get it online?
Quote from: amallon on April 23, 2010, 12:40:05 AM
I missed tonights espisode. Anyone know where I can get it online?
http://www.surfthechannel.com/video/132/3022131.html
rteplayer too but it isn't up yet.
Two week break :(
Exactly one month til it's all over :'(
kind of disappointed with last nights show - didnt really tell us anything more, especially as there isnt long to go in the series.
It was a set up episode really. I reckon the next one will continue in the same vein, setting up the big finale. I'm pinning my hopes on the one after that to explain loads, before everthing happens in the last three episodes.
Quote from: AFS on April 23, 2010, 10:29:51 AM
It was a set up episode really. I reckon the next one will continue in the same vein, setting up the big finale. I'm pinning my hopes on the one after that to explain loads, before everthing happens in the last three episodes.
There seems to be a pattern of one good episode followed by a poor one and so on. To much filler.
I think the problem now is that there is very little new. It's ne the wind down and can't introduce many more puzzlers. I think lots has been explained but the drip feed of answers is resulting in the answers losing their wow factor.
I have a feeling that as lock attempts to leave the island another plane carrying the passengers from the alternative life and led by Desmond will land. Pissing everyone off.
Last episode (double episode) is being aired on a Sunday night in the States. Are RTE/ Sky going to show it the same night or maybe on the Monday night, or will we have to wait until 4 or 5 days later? Reckon it'll be impossible not to hear what happens if you're holding on for that long. Would perfer not to have to download it and watch it all end on a shitty little laptop.
So many questions yet to be answered, and I think the episode that focuses on the MIB and Jacob will reveal alot. Not 100% sure on which one of these is the goodie and which one is the baddie, and also is Widmore good or bad? I have always believed that the MIB has appeared in different forms (i.e. Eko's brother, Jack's da), and last night he admitted that. But that doesn't explain how Jack's da appeared off the island to Jack in one of the episodes after his death.
Jack seems to be turning into the new Locke, a man of faith and all that. I think that the MIB sense that he is the candidate, as Locke was earmarked for that role by Jacob but the MIB manipulated Locke (in form of Christian) and made him leave the island. He wants to do the same to Jack, and thats why I feel he wasn't bothered about Sawyer etc leaving on the boat as he is more concerned about getting Jack off the island than anyone else.
I wonder what the craic is with Sayid. He is meant to be this emotionless guy now, but last night he showed emotion when questioned by the MIB on whether or not he killed Desmond (which he obviously didn't as he wouldn't be killed off-screen). I think he said he took so long as he needed a minute as he was about to shoot a man in cold blood.
Everything in the alternative universe is coming together, it seems that it takes a grand life experience for the characters to remember the island timeline; Desmond and Charlies crash into the harbour, Hurley and Libbys kiss, Sun being shot and unless Desmond was actually trying to kill Locke, I think he was trying to create a turbulent event for him to remember and that he will also connect Jack (by the way, who is David's mother - Juliet?) to the previous timeline via the surgery. I think the real Locke has a big say in this show yet, and could end up back on the island. I reckon that they will all end up at the hospital for one reason or another, and Desmond will succeed in getting them all to remember and getting them together, but what happens next?
Lots of questions still to be answered, or maybe they have and I haven't picked up on them. What is the temple, and why was Bruce Lee's cousin guarding it etc? Why can the MIB not leave the isalnd, and what actually is he/it? Who are Adam and Eve (Sawyer and Juliet, Sawyer and Kate or Bernard and the wife?). It would be interesting to go through the seasons again, especially 1 and 2 and there is probably alot that hasn't been directly answered. But I hope that the episode I mentioned earlier focusing on Jacob and the MIB will reveal a bucket load of answers. I find it strange that there is a fancy futuristic mirror thingy that Hurley showed Jack in the tower yet the candidates names were scribbled in chalk in the cave, in such an elementary way compared to what it seems that Jacob and the MIB are capable of. Plus, how did Ben call the smoke monster and seemingly control it at one stage?
Have downloaded the first season and watching along with the last one. I thought i would never make it through the first season again as none of it is as puzzling as the first time. I was wrong though and the season is excellent infinitely better than the last season. Interesting to see just how much Sayid's accent has regressed since those early episodes. :P About the only character who is in anyway better now than he was back then is Locke. Jack and Hurley are the most noticeable differences too. From Jacks dominant presonality to the tameness he displays now dissapointing. Also Hurleys humour and weaknesses were much better placed back then than they are now.
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 23, 2010, 11:34:31 AM
It would be interesting to go through the seasons again, especially 1 and 2 and there is probably alot that hasn't been directly answered. But I hope that the episode I mentioned earlier focusing on Jacob and the MIB will reveal a bucket load of answers. I find it strange that there is a fancy futuristic mirror thingy that Hurley showed Jack in the tower yet the candidates names were scribbled in chalk in the cave, in such an elementary way compared to what it seems that Jacob and the MIB are capable of. Plus, how did Ben call the smoke monster and seemingly control it at one stage?
I don't think seasons 1 and 2 would reveal much. They weren't planning 4 seasons in advance back then, they started with only the first 12 episodes thought out. I reckon lot of things that happened in earlier episodes are going to be glossed over, as the show has since gone in completely different directions. For instance, I don't believe for a second that they planned to transform the smoke monster of the early days into MIB. A lot of the earlier stuff has been twisted and shifted about to fit into the final plot.
This weeks is the episode I have been looking forward to, all about the MIB and Jacob. What is the craic with RTE? It was blocked last week again yet the past few weeks it wasn't.
Was really looking forward to last nights episode but was disappointed.
Thought the flashback to season one was amatuerish and a bit of a cop
out in explaining adam and eve. At the time, Jack said he thought the
bodies had been there 40 or 50 years. The mother figure just razes
a village to the ground.
Man in Black knows he can get off the Island by turning a wheel
and using light and water. He knows this because he is 'special'.
The scene with the light and the waterfall...I was waiting for
gollum to pop out, or Frodo to pass by on the back of a cart.
The CGI budget was obviously vastly reduced for this episode.
I don't expect everything to be answered, but at least make
an effort with some of the bigger questions, such as the nature
of the island. Who entrusted the 'mother' figure to look after
the island? What exactly is the white light?? There's only
two episodes left now. The mother figure at the start said
that 'questions only lead to more questions' which seems to be
the attiude the writers are taking to the show now.
I've given up on the mythology/scientific aspect of the show
and am just looking forward to the last few episode, hoping
they focus on the characters we've been following all these
years.
Quote from: Mack the finger on May 14, 2010, 02:03:02 PM
Was really looking forward to last nights episode but was disappointed.
Thought the flashback to season one was amatuerish and a bit of a cop
out in explaining adam and eve. At the time, Jack said he thought the
bodies had been there 40 or 50 years. The mother figure just razes
a village to the ground.
Man in Black knows he can get off the Island by turning a wheel
and using light and water. He knows this because he is 'special'.
The scene with the light and the waterfall...I was waiting for
gollum to pop out, or Frodo to pass by on the back of a cart.
The CGI budget was obviously vastly reduced for this episode.
I don't expect everything to be answered, but at least make
an effort with some of the bigger questions, such as the nature
of the island. Who entrusted the 'mother' figure to look after
the island? What exactly is the white light?? There's only
two episodes left now. The mother figure at the start said
that 'questions only lead to more questions' which seems to be
the attiude the writers are taking to the show now.
I've given up on the mythology/scientific aspect of the show
and am just looking forward to the last few episode, hoping
they focus on the characters we've been following all these
years.
Loads of questions still to be answered, and we still don't really know what Jacob was protecting the island from or what he really is protecting and what the smoke monster really is. How was Jacob able to go off the island when he wanted and get back, and why couldn't the smoke monster not do the same? I presume that the mother was the smoke monster (she said the same line that the man in black did to Jacob when they were sitting on the beach at the end of Season 5 about humans all being the same, coming and being greedy etc) and wanted to leave and knew her actions regarding the well and villagers would lead to her eventual death and also provoke Jacob into doing what he did thus making Son In Black the new smoke monster, which is also a kind of protector of the island. This leads us to the question, who is the real protector of the island? As for the Jack comment on Adam and Eve, their clothes etc would not have been preserved after 2000 years. I also think that it won't be Jack and Sawyer sitting on the beach at the end, I think it will be Jack and Locke.
Last nights episode was pure bullshit, the worst kind yet.
Pointless non specific dialogue that just leaves more questions.
It looked like a bad Hollywood B movie at times. Very disappointing.
Quote from: AbbeySider on May 14, 2010, 02:56:15 PM
Last nights episode was pure bullshit, the worst kind yet.
Pointless non specific dialogue that just leaves more questions.
It looked like a bad Hollywood B movie at times. Very disappointing.
Yeah, very dissappointing.There was no need for half of it. The MIB is dead and has been from the start. It's been the smoke monster in his body all along. What a waste of a potentially good character. He was Jacobs twin brother and for some reason was special and has been interesting from his introduction and now we find out that he has been dead all along making any part he played pointless.
Quote from: Zapatista on May 17, 2010, 08:20:20 AM
The MIB is dead and has been from the start. It's been the smoke monster in his body all along. What a waste of a potentially good character. He was Jacobs twin brother and for some reason was special and has been interesting from his introduction and now we find out that he has been dead all along making any part he played pointless.
Well that's one interpretation and it could be right.
The other interpretation is that Jacobs's brother became the smoke monster. So while his body is dead, its still him (i.e. he's still Jacob's brother) and he can take the form of himself or any other dead body on the island. His objective is to get off the island, which was exactly what MIB's objective was.
Actually just thought of another reason why the latter is probably right. MIB/Locke couldnt kill Jacob so had to get Ben to do it. That would strongly suggest that it is still Jacob's brother as the brothers arent allowed kill each other. If it was just a smoke monster who can take forms it'd surely have no issue with killing Jacob itself.
Of course the frustrating thing is that by giving more detail on Jacob and his brother, they've just pushed the questions up one level. Who is their "mother" and how did she get there, and how did she have the power to give them (two ordinary boys when born) their powers? And yet she was killed so easily....
Quote from: Hound on May 17, 2010, 08:48:39 AM
Quote from: Zapatista on May 17, 2010, 08:20:20 AM
The MIB is dead and has been from the start. It's been the smoke monster in his body all along. What a waste of a potentially good character. He was Jacobs twin brother and for some reason was special and has been interesting from his introduction and now we find out that he has been dead all along making any part he played pointless.
Well that's one interpretation and it could be right.
The other interpretation is that Jacobs's brother became the smoke monster. So while his body is dead, its still him (i.e. he's still Jacob's brother) and he can take the form of himself or any other dead body on the island. His objective is to get off the island, which was exactly what MIB's objective was.
Actually just thought of another reason why the latter is probably right. MIB/Locke couldnt kill Jacob so had to get Ben to do it. That would strongly suggest that it is still Jacob's brother as the brothers arent allowed kill each other. If it was just a smoke monster who can take forms it'd surely have no issue with killing Jacob itself.
Of course the frustrating thing is that by giving more detail on Jacob and his brother, they've just pushed the questions up one level. Who is their "mother" and how did she get there, and how did she have the power to give them (two ordinary boys when born) their powers? And yet she was killed so easily....
True. I suppose young Jacob appearing to Locke supports that too.
I'd say when she passed the responsibility to Jacob (when he drank the wine) she must has became human again and was able to be killed ???
How did Jacob get off the island so easily?
Why did the one-footed statue only have four toes?
Who was the black guy that worked for Widmore?
Walt is not dead, yet he was seen on the island this season - how/why?
For the guy who worked for Widmore, see the following link:
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Abaddon (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Abaddon)
See the bottom of the page for theoris on Matthew ABaddon and how he might be Walt!
Still interested in how Jacob got on and off the island myself, and I wonder will they have enough airtime left to answer questions about the statue etc. I do believe the smoke monster is Jacob's brother, Hound seems to be on the right track.
I watched a bit of an episode of this some years ago. A few of them had escaped on a raft but were caught by pirates who took a kid that was on the raft with them. Any word on what happened the kid?
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on May 17, 2010, 10:28:28 PM
I watched a bit of an episode of this some years ago. A few of them had escaped on a raft but were caught by pirates who took a kid that was on the raft with them. Any word on what happened the kid?
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Walt
BS Report. Interesting listen for Lost fans.
http://tinyurl.com/2bguhdn (http://tinyurl.com/2bguhdn)
Quote from: Zapatista on May 17, 2010, 10:37:41 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on May 17, 2010, 10:28:28 PM
I watched a bit of an episode of this some years ago. A few of them had escaped on a raft but were caught by pirates who took a kid that was on the raft with them. Any word on what happened the kid?
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Walt
Thanks for that. It all seems pretty complicated.
Good episode this week, especially after the clusterfuck of shite the week before. More answers than questions for once. Still feel they've left too much to get through in the last hour and a half or so. They're either going to end up rushing things and making it crap, or give a lot of wishy-washy, half explanations.
I don't envy anyone waiting til Thursday or Friday to watch it on RTE or Sky, you've no chance of not hearing spoilers before then.
Quote from: AFS on May 20, 2010, 10:47:41 AM
Good episode this week, especially after the clusterfuck of shite the week before. More answers than questions for once. Still feel they've left too much to get through in the last hour and a half or so. They're either going to end up rushing things and making it crap, or give a lot of wishy-washy, half explanations.
I don't envy anyone waiting til Thursday or Friday to watch it on RTE or Sky, you've no chance of not hearing spoilers before then.
I had a mixed reaction to that episode, it was good on the one hand for explaining things but it leaves too much to be explained properly in the last two episodes for the show to not be a complete a let down, so in that regard I am quite disappointed.
I was also convinced as I had been for about ten episodes that these flash sideways were actually flashbacks and that we were going to see the characters arrive on the island in a different way to how it happened in season 1, however that fact Jack has a son would make what Jacob told him about being alone not make sense.
Quote from: AFS on May 20, 2010, 10:47:41 AM
Good episode this week, especially after the clusterfuck of shite the week before. More answers than questions for once. Still feel they've left too much to get through in the last hour and a half or so. They're either going to end up rushing things and making it crap, or give a lot of wishy-washy, half explanations.
I don't envy anyone waiting til Thursday or Friday to watch it on RTE or Sky, you've no chance of not hearing spoilers before then.
Will you be posting spoilers or will you (and others) wait til the Thurs or Fri? This is the only place I read about it. Haven't seen a spoiler yet.
Don't read this if you haven't seen this weeks episode - includes spoilers
Enjoyed it more than last week because it was about the characters
who've been there since the start. I couldn't really care less about the
mystery of the island after last weeks episode and the whole 'answers just
lead to more questions' nonsense. As Jack said to Locke, just gonna let
go and enjoy the last hour and a half.
Good to see the old Ben back, has always been one of my favourite characters
(along with Desmond and the original Locke). Great actor too. Loved that scene
where Ben is seated outside and he tell's Locke 'He's hiding in my closet'. Though I wonder
how long it'll last for - Fake locke told him he could have the island. Then at the
well he told him he was gonna destroy it. Not a good deal for Ben. A key thing could
be that Miles has the walkie talkie. Still fancy that Ben will redeem himself, as he seems
like a good guy in the alternative timeline.
Few answers around the campfire, but if, as Kate was told, her name was
only 'a bit of chalk on a wall', Jacob went to a helluva lot of trouble to get
them there. And what was so special about them?
Now everyone can see Jacob, poor old Richard had outlived his use. Had to
laugh at the way Smokey owned him. Richard had his chance with Fake Locke.
Predictions for next week?
Gonna be difficult to avoid spoilers. Fancy it to be all over the
papers, TV, interweb etc. Also know lots of people who'll
be downloading it Sunday night. Pity RTE/Sky couldn't have
shown it at the same time. Is it possible to watch a stream
of it on sunday night?
Quote from: Mack the finger on May 20, 2010, 11:53:58 AM
Don't read this if you haven't seen this weeks episode - includes spoilers
Enjoyed it more than last week because it was about the characters
who've been there since the start. I couldn't really care less about the
mystery of the island after last weeks episode and the whole 'answers just
lead to more questions' nonsense. As Jack said to Locke, just gonna let
go and enjoy the last hour and a half.
Good to see the old Ben back, has always been one of my favourite characters
(along with Desmond and the original Locke). Great actor too. Loved that scene
where Ben is seated outside and he tell's Locke 'He's hiding in my closet'. Though I wonder
how long it'll last for - Fake locke told him he could have the island. Then at the
well he told him he was gonna destroy it. Not a good deal for Ben. A key thing could
be that Miles has the walkie talkie. Still fancy that Ben will redeem himself, as he seems
like a good guy in the alternative timeline.
Few answers around the campfire, but if, as Kate was told, her name was
only 'a bit of chalk on a wall', Jacob went to a helluva lot of trouble to get
them there. And what was so special about them?
Now everyone can see Jacob, poor old Richard had outlived his use. Had to
laugh at the way Smokey owned him. Richard had his chance with Fake Locke.
Predictions for next week?
Agree that Ben will probably end up being some sort of hero. Flocke basically voided whatever deal he had with him he let slip that he wanted to destroy the island.
I don't think the lost people are particularly special, and I don't think Jacob
brought them to the island. The idea seems to be that they were the most suitable candidates out of all the people that were destined to end up on the island anyway.
Would love to see Walt come back into play in the finale. Don't know if that's likely though as the actor that plays him is 17 or 18 now and about 6'5".
Best show this season. Selecting the candidate wasn't such a big deal after all.
What's the theory on the cut on Jacks neck?
Quote from: Mack the finger on May 20, 2010, 11:56:56 AM
Gonna be difficult to avoid spoilers. Fancy it to be all over the
papers, TV, interweb etc. Also know lots of people who'll
be downloading it Sunday night. Pity RTE/Sky couldn't have
shown it at the same time. Is it possible to watch a stream
of it on sunday night?
Sky are. 5am Monday morning.
http://sky1.sky.com/lost-sky1-to-simulcast-the-lost-finale-in-the-uk
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on May 21, 2010, 09:00:27 AM
Quote from: Mack the finger on May 20, 2010, 11:56:56 AM
Gonna be difficult to avoid spoilers. Fancy it to be all over the
papers, TV, interweb etc. Also know lots of people who'll
be downloading it Sunday night. Pity RTE/Sky couldn't have
shown it at the same time. Is it possible to watch a stream
of it on sunday night?
Sky are. 5am Monday morning.
http://sky1.sky.com/lost-sky1-to-simulcast-the-lost-finale-in-the-uk
Happy days.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 21, 2010, 10:45:22 AM
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on May 21, 2010, 09:00:27 AM
Quote from: Mack the finger on May 20, 2010, 11:56:56 AM
Gonna be difficult to avoid spoilers. Fancy it to be all over the
papers, TV, interweb etc. Also know lots of people who'll
be downloading it Sunday night. Pity RTE/Sky couldn't have
shown it at the same time. Is it possible to watch a stream
of it on sunday night?
Sky are. 5am Monday morning.
http://sky1.sky.com/lost-sky1-to-simulcast-the-lost-finale-in-the-uk
Happy days.
This is great alright. Early to bed Sunday night. The amount of breaks they'll have to take to keep in sync with the States is going to do my head in though.
Quote from: AFS on May 21, 2010, 12:18:30 PM
This is great alright. Early to bed Sunday night. The amount of breaks they'll have to take to keep in sync with the States is going to do my head in though.
Maybe I'm wrong but is there not some sort of regulation on that. I think that the broadcaster is only allowed a certain amount of commercial broadcasts per hour (or day or per programe or whatever)?
from RTE
RTÉ to show final of Lost next Monday
RTÉ Television has announced that it has brought forward the broadcast of the last ever episode of the popular US drama 'Lost'.
Check out our Lost Blog here.
The double episode, called appropriately The End, had originally been due to air at 10.05pm next Thursday evening on RTÉ Two but it will now be broadcast three days earlier at 9pm on Monday.
AdvertisementThe final will be shown in the US on Sunday night and the move will be great news for fans who were concerned about spoilers ruining the final episode.
RTÉ said it made this decision in the interest of Lost's loyal audiences who followed all 6 series on RTÉ Two.
Despite the title of the penultimate epsiode, did we ever find out why Sun, Jin and Sayed died?
Quote from: Smokin Joe on May 22, 2010, 09:56:01 AM
Despite the title of the penultimate epsiode, did we ever find out why Sun, Jin and Sayed died?
I think they just did. Flocke was trying to kill them all. Sayed died twice?
Quote from: Zapatista on May 22, 2010, 10:06:12 AM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on May 22, 2010, 09:56:01 AM
Despite the title of the penultimate epsiode, did we ever find out why Sun, Jin and Sayed died?
I think they just did. Flocke was trying to kill them all. Sayed died twice?
Because they were in a submerged submarine when a bomb went off, the question should be how did the rest (including an unconscious Sawyer and Kate with a GSW) survive and make the whole way back to the shore ;)
I thought this weeks episode wasn't all that great myself. Bit unsatisfactory the way that Richard and Whitmore were killed off! Would have liked to see them there to the end.
As for Ben, the man can kill without hesitation in cold blood and has done so several times, he is bad to the bone. To quote AC/DC, he's a cold hearted man. I hope he meets a bad end.
Seriously considering the Monday morning episode. Mind you after the record victory that we are expected to have over the Larries, I'll probably only be getting home from the massive celebrations that will follow such a win :D
Looked at the Sky Planner last night and I think the Sky programme is 45 minutes longer than the RTE version which would suggest an infuriating amount of advertising especially for that time of the morning. I think I'll Sky plus it and get up at 6 and FF through the ads.
Quote from: Louth Exile on May 22, 2010, 10:15:43 AM
Quote from: Zapatista on May 22, 2010, 10:06:12 AM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on May 22, 2010, 09:56:01 AM
Despite the title of the penultimate epsiode, did we ever find out why Sun, Jin and Sayed died?
I think they just did. Flocke was trying to kill them all. Sayed died twice?
Because they were in a submerged submarine when a bomb went off, the question should be how did the rest (including an unconscious Sawyer and Kate with a GSW) survive and make the whole way back to the shore ;)
I thought this weeks episode wasn't all that great myself. Bit unsatisfactory the way that Richard and Whitmore were killed off! Would have liked to see them there to the end.
As for Ben, the man can kill without hesitation in cold blood and has done so several times, he is bad to the bone. To quote AC/DC, he's a cold hearted man. I hope he meets a bad end.
Seriously considering the Monday morning episode. Mind you after the record victory that we are expected to have over the Larries, I'll probably only be getting home from the massive celebrations that will follow such a win :D
I don't think Widmore is dead.
Season 4, in the episode where Keamy killed Alex (Ben's daughter) it showed ben going into Widmore's bedroom in London where the following exchange ocurred:
WIDMORE: Have you come here to kill me, Benjamin?
[Widmore sips the whiskey.]
BEN: We both know I can't do that.
So, I reckon Ben pretended to kill Widmore so that Bad Locke wouldn't do it.
However, if I am wrong and the writers have just changed their mind then it will be a steaming pile of shit.
Quote from: Lawrence of Knockbride on May 22, 2010, 10:26:30 AM
Looked at the Sky Planner last night and I think the Sky programme is 45 minutes longer than the RTE version which would suggest an infuriating amount of advertising especially for that time of the morning. I think I'll Sky plus it and get up at 6 and FF through the ads.
This is the right idea. It's on for 150 minutes, but there's only 100 minutes of actual Lost.
Quote from: Smokin Joe on May 22, 2010, 10:30:35 AM
Quote from: Louth Exile on May 22, 2010, 10:15:43 AM
Quote from: Zapatista on May 22, 2010, 10:06:12 AM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on May 22, 2010, 09:56:01 AM
Despite the title of the penultimate epsiode, did we ever find out why Sun, Jin and Sayed died?
I think they just did. Flocke was trying to kill them all. Sayed died twice?
Because they were in a submerged submarine when a bomb went off, the question should be how did the rest (including an unconscious Sawyer and Kate with a GSW) survive and make the whole way back to the shore ;)
I thought this weeks episode wasn't all that great myself. Bit unsatisfactory the way that Richard and Whitmore were killed off! Would have liked to see them there to the end.
As for Ben, the man can kill without hesitation in cold blood and has done so several times, he is bad to the bone. To quote AC/DC, he's a cold hearted man. I hope he meets a bad end.
Seriously considering the Monday morning episode. Mind you after the record victory that we are expected to have over the Larries, I'll probably only be getting home from the massive celebrations that will follow such a win :D
I don't think Widmore is dead.
Season 4, in the episode where Keamy killed Alex (Ben's daughter) it showed ben going into Widmore's bedroom in London where the following exchange ocurred:
WIDMORE: Have you come here to kill me, Benjamin?
[Widmore sips the whiskey.]
BEN: We both know I can't do that.
So, I reckon Ben pretended to kill Widmore so that Bad Locke wouldn't do it.
However, if I am wrong and the writers have just changed their mind then it will be a steaming pile of shit.
I'm not sure he's dead either. Ben's definitely going to play a huge role in the finale and that wee scene could've been part of his big masterplan, which has to involve Miles too. I'm pretty sure Ben is actually good. If he isn't, then that really poignant scene when he broke down to Ilana was just pointless.
Anyone watch the finale?
yeah - disappointed with it.
Very underwhelming I felt.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on May 24, 2010, 09:40:39 AM
Very underwhelming I felt.
Have to agree, I thought it was a disastrous (we couldn't come up with a proper ending so we will just leave questions hanging and try and make it look like that we always meant this to be the) ending.
On a side note, I know you can be underwhelmed and overwhelmed but can you ever be whelmed?
thought it was quite emotional, without claiming to fully understand much of it admittedly;
i'll watch the last episode again no doubt; the right way would be to watch it all from start to finish again now we know the craic (probably wont though);
what i really want is one of you guys to explain everything for me, save me any more bother lol;
Can someone sum this shite up. Watched the very first espiode. What was it all about.
They woke up and it was all a dream....obviously I didn't watch it.
I have to say that personally I loved it. There are a lot of unanswered questions which is frustrating, but its the old damned if you do, damned if you don't. If they had tried to answer everything and made a mess of it (as Star Wars did!!) we would be equally as angry. At least this way, we take what we want from the island questions and mythology.
I think the characters were given the send off and finale they deserved. At the end of the day, in my opinion I was happy with how they tied up loose character ends, because in the end thats what I personally cared about.
Although I know everyone is different as my missus hated it!
Interesting ending but the main resolutions where saved for a storyline that was only introduced this season.
Did the polar bear re-appear? ;D
Quote from: Capt Pat on May 24, 2010, 01:14:23 PM
They woke up and it was all a dream....obviously I didn't watch it.
I didnt watch this show at all, ever - however from being subject to the discussion at work this morning - I thought it was that they hadnt survived the crash and they all had died. They were in limbo or whatever?
I guessed Limbo at the very start as I thought it was an obvious guess. It did seem like that in some ways at the end but far too many inconsistencies to be sure. I think Sky are showing a programme on Friday about it that includes interviews with the creators. Maybe there'll be some answers but I'm not hopeful.
Quote from: Lawrence of Knockbride on May 24, 2010, 06:43:27 PM
I guessed Limbo at the very start as I thought it was an obvious guess. It did seem like that in some ways at the end but far too many inconsistencies to be sure. I think Sky are showing a programme on Friday about it that includes interviews with the creators. Maybe there'll be some answers but I'm not hopeful.
The problem I have with this explanation is that at the start JJ Abrams repeatedly claimed that the island was real and was not heaven or hell or anything in between.
Surely given the ending the island was real, the limbo was the alternate reality flashes that occurred this season.
Quote from: nifan on May 24, 2010, 07:46:48 PM
Surely given the ending the island was real, the limbo was the alternate reality flashes that occurred this season.
This is correct.
I think :-\
Christian explained to Jack that everything was real, and that some people died before him and some people died long after him. But everyone in the Church had died.
Hume was some kind of soul collecter - bringing them all together at that point.. he was special
Faraday's mother asked Hume if he was taking her son (Daniel) with him and Hume said not now.
The only people in the Church were the people on the initial 815 flight.
I think the ending worked quite well, and rounded things off nicely.
The thing I'm having difficulty coming to terms with is that the mystery and searching for deeper meanings in everything for six seasons was all fairly pointless in the end.
I mean you could almost:
Watch the first episode
Have the words "then they had loads of really cool adventures for 119 episodes" flash up on screen
Watch the final episode
and not be any less the wiser than those of us that watched the whole lot.
QuoteChristian explained to Jack that everything was real, and that some people died before him and some people died long after him.
Yep - also the implication was that Ben and Hurley had worked together for a period of time protecting the island - at the point where jack died on the island they had only started.
QuoteThe only people in the Church were the people on the initial 815 flight.
Desmond wasnt, but as said he was special. Penny was also there
Quote from: AFS on May 24, 2010, 07:56:09 PM
Quote from: nifan on May 24, 2010, 07:46:48 PM
Surely given the ending the island was real, the limbo was the alternate reality flashes that occurred this season.
This is correct.
I think :-\
Yeah sorry what I meant was that I feel a little duped if 5 years ago Abrams is saying that this isnt a show about heaven and hell and purgatory and then we get a finale suggesting thats where they all end up. I also get the impression that this was never the original intention of the creators otherwise they would have filmed this scene 5 years ago to allow Walt to be in as he was then. I got the feeling watching it that this was something they through together quite recently but wont admit to in a kind of we are going to pretend this was the ending we had always intended and we are deliberately leaving you guessing kinda way.
There is just too much left unanswered by this ending. I know a few are saying its a great ending because it focuses on the characters but for me this was never really about the characters, it was always more about the island and they just seemed to ignore that
I agree david - as i said the resolutions seemed to be primarily to do with the alternate reality/limbo that was added this season.
The fact that the island was real makes it even more annoying that there wasnt a better explanation to it all, though there was some.
The ending cleverly meant that they didn't really have to explain anything, because in the finish the whole thing was about the characters and their relationships. The island and all the shite that went along with it was nothing more than a setting. I do feel that it was a bit of a con to suck everyone in with the mystery, and then for it to be fairly redundant in the end.
Quote from: AFS on May 24, 2010, 09:12:39 PM
The ending cleverly meant that they didn't really have to explain anything, because in the finish the whole thing was about the characters and their relationships. The island and all the shite that went along with it was nothing more than a setting. I do feel that it was a bit of a con to suck everyone in with the mystery, and then for it to be fairly redundant in the end.
That to me is a kop out
Quote from: AFS on May 24, 2010, 09:12:39 PM
The ending cleverly meant that they didn't really have to explain anything, because in the finish the whole thing was about the characters and their relationships. The island and all the shite that went along with it was nothing more than a setting. I do feel that it was a bit of a con to suck everyone in with the mystery, and then for it to be fairly redundant in the end.
So Jacob, the black smoke, the light, protecting the island, Hurley's lotto numbers being on the hatch was all of no relevance you reckon? That would be pretty lame.
Quote from: Lawrence of Knockbride on May 24, 2010, 09:23:32 PM
Quote from: AFS on May 24, 2010, 09:12:39 PM
The ending cleverly meant that they didn't really have to explain anything, because in the finish the whole thing was about the characters and their relationships. The island and all the shite that went along with it was nothing more than a setting. I do feel that it was a bit of a con to suck everyone in with the mystery, and then for it to be fairly redundant in the end.
So Jacob, the black smoke, the light, protecting the island, Hurley's lotto numbers being on the hatch was all of no relevance you reckon? That would be pretty lame.
These things had little significance in the end. Well, maybe you could say that all the events and experiences helped to bring them together and give them a 'purpose'. But maybe their lifes would've been just as fulfilled and they'd have been just as bonded together if they'd landed on a different island and spent six seasons fishing and picking berries.
Disclaimer - It is Lost, so it's impossible to know for sure what the craic is. What I've said could well be complete bullshit.
Quote from: AFS on May 24, 2010, 09:35:05 PM
Quote from: Lawrence of Knockbride on May 24, 2010, 09:23:32 PM
Quote from: AFS on May 24, 2010, 09:12:39 PM
The ending cleverly meant that they didn't really have to explain anything, because in the finish the whole thing was about the characters and their relationships. The island and all the shite that went along with it was nothing more than a setting. I do feel that it was a bit of a con to suck everyone in with the mystery, and then for it to be fairly redundant in the end.
So Jacob, the black smoke, the light, protecting the island, Hurley's lotto numbers being on the hatch was all of no relevance you reckon? That would be pretty lame.
These things had little significance in the end. Well, maybe you could say that all the events and experiences helped to bring them together and give them a 'purpose'. But maybe their lifes would've been just as fulfilled and they'd have been just as bonded together if they'd landed on a different island and spent six seasons fishing and picking berries.
Disclaimer - It is Lost, so it's impossible to know for sure what the craic is. What I've said could well be complete bullshit.
Yes, but unfortunately you're explanation is as good as any.
There's some sort of recap coming on at 12.10.
Alternative endings :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyKyjeRodd4
So they all died on the island when Juliet detonated the hydrogen bomb and the last season?
So why was there two time-lines, where they survived the crash and where they got off the island and they all went back to it again ?
I think its all Vincents dream...
[The dog ;) ]
Quote from: AbbeySider on May 24, 2010, 11:24:13 PM
So they all died on the island when Juliet detonated the hydrogen bomb and the last season?
So why was there two time-lines, where they survived the crash and where they got off the island and they all went back to it again ?
I think its all Vincents dream...
[The dog ;) ]
Look it was a litany of red herrings concocted by the Ba5tards to keep the show going and the sponsors happy.
Finally this sh1te is finally
dead and buried.
I think they threw Vincent back into for badness.
* The big question I have left as does Abbeysider, did they all die when the bomb was detonated or not?
* Ben was feckin bad to the bone!! Thats why he didn't leave limbo, even though John forgave him, he knew he was going to hell
* Juliet was in the church, also not on 815
I thought it was a good ending! Definitely will at some stage watch it back from the start
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 24, 2010, 11:32:10 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on May 24, 2010, 11:24:13 PM
So they all died on the island when Juliet detonated the hydrogen bomb and the last season?
So why was there two time-lines, where they survived the crash and where they got off the island and they all went back to it again ?
I think its all Vincents dream...
[The dog ;) ]
Look it was a litany of red herrings concocted by the Ba5tards to keep the show going and the sponsors happy.
Finally this sh1te is finally dead and buried.
I couldn't care less. I really enjoyed all 6 seasons. A lot of questions unanswered but I don't really care. The vast majority of the caracters and how they all acted towards eachother was brilliant troughout.
I'd say they had plans to kill off caracters and introduce caracters that they didn't go ahead with as the public related to most of them and in particular Ben.
Quote from: Louth Exile on May 24, 2010, 11:41:07 PM
I think they threw Vincent back into for badness.
* The big question I have left as does Abbeysider, did they all die when the bomb was detonated or not?
* Ben was feckin bad to the bone!! Thats why he didn't leave limbo, even though John forgave him, he knew he was going to hell
* Juliet was in the church, also not on 815
I thought it was a good ending! Definitely will at some stage watch it back from the start
I was sure Mr Eko was going to be the priest in the church afterwards.
That Boone character got a fair bit of screen time for someone who died in the first season
Can't believe the polar bear didn't get to heaven!
Quote from: AbbeySider on May 24, 2010, 11:49:02 PM
Quote from: Louth Exile on May 24, 2010, 11:41:07 PM
I think they threw Vincent back into for badness.
* The big question I have left as does Abbeysider, did they all die when the bomb was detonated or not?
* Ben was feckin bad to the bone!! Thats why he didn't leave limbo, even though John forgave him, he knew he was going to hell
* Juliet was in the church, also not on 815
I thought it was a good ending! Definitely will at some stage watch it back from the start
I was sure Mr Eko was going to be the priest in the church afterwards.
That Boone character got a fair bit of screen time for someone who died in the first season
Yer man that played Eko didn't want to do the show anymore. He would've definitely popped up somewhere if he had fancied a return. Noticed the 'church' was multi-denominational, covering all their bases there.
Quote from: AFS on May 24, 2010, 11:54:34 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on May 24, 2010, 11:49:02 PM
Quote from: Louth Exile on May 24, 2010, 11:41:07 PM
I think they threw Vincent back into for badness.
* The big question I have left as does Abbeysider, did they all die when the bomb was detonated or not?
* Ben was feckin bad to the bone!! Thats why he didn't leave limbo, even though John forgave him, he knew he was going to hell
* Juliet was in the church, also not on 815
I thought it was a good ending! Definitely will at some stage watch it back from the start
I was sure Mr Eko was going to be the priest in the church afterwards.
That Boone character got a fair bit of screen time for someone who died in the first season
Yer man that played Eko didn't want to do the show anymore. He would've definitely popped up somewhere if he had fancied a return. Noticed the 'church' was multi-denominational, covering all their bases there.
There's no real explanation as to why the MIB / black smoke killed Eko. They set the Island up as something that could "judge you". Remember Ben saying the Island needed to judge him. Was this not to involve the MIB / smoke monster or was it Jacob to deal with that?
Also was Hurley's girlfriend in the church? Don't think she was and I wonder why not since she featured earlier in the series.
Just too many loose ends for my liking? Is there any real explanation at all for the numbers or the pushing the button every 108 minutes?
Hurley's girlfriend was there.
All that shite about the numbers, and bombs, and time travelling doesn't seem to matter in the end, as far as I can make out, so there's no real need to give full explanations. I think this was a bit shit though.
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I think they threw Vincent back into for badness.
* The big question I have left as does Abbeysider, did they all die when the bomb was detonated or not?
* Ben was feckin bad to the bone!! Thats why he didn't leave limbo, even though John forgave him, he knew he was going to hell
* Juliet was in the church, also not on 815
I thought it was a good ending! Definitely will at some stage watch it back from the start
I was sure Mr Eko was going to be the priest in the church afterwards.
That Boone character got a fair bit of screen time for someone who died in the first season
Yer man that played Eko didn't want to do the show anymore. He would've definitely popped up somewhere if he had fancied a return. Noticed the 'church' was multi-denominational, covering all their bases there.
There's no real explanation as to why the MIB / black smoke killed Eko. They set the Island up as something that could "judge you". Remember Ben saying the Island needed to judge him. Was this not to involve the MIB / smoke monster or was it Jacob to deal with that?
Also was Hurley's girlfriend in the church? Don't think she was and I wonder why not since she featured earlier in the series.
Just too many loose ends for my liking? Is there any real explanation at all for the numbers or the pushing the button every 108 minutes?
No TAC libby was in the church, although Michael Walt Eco Analucia and those two who were buried with the diamonds I dont think they were in the church. The working theory on most being that they werent ready to let go. Dont buy that at all, the more i think about it the more annoyed I get
I really enjoyed the last episode. All very happy with the remembering and reunions (apart from them all being dead of course, but they seemed happy enough with that too!).
When I saw the Asian chap from the Dharma Initiative at the concert I laughed heartily. And it was a nice reminder that this is only telly - make believe, light entertainment, a bit of craic.
Quote from: Hound on May 25, 2010, 07:08:36 AM
I really enjoyed the last episode. All very happy with the remembering and reunions (apart from them all being dead of course, but they seemed happy enough with that too!).
When I saw the Asian chap from the Dharma Initiative at the concert I laughed heartily. And it was a nice reminder that this is only telly - make believe, light entertainment, a bit of craic.
+1. 6 seasons of entertainment and discussion.
I have had a huge interest in Lost and I really enjoyed the last 6 years.
The mystery, intrigue and mythology of the island and the characters provided more conversations and debate among my friends than I can imagine. Everyone was captivated by the show at one stage or another.
I met Evangeline Lilly last January in Vancouver while skiing. She is really sound and sensationally hot in real life.
It was a bit surreal seeing her in the flesh but it was cool to meet one of the characters.
really don't get why penny was in the church..
but my take on it is that the island was real and that the alternate univerise was is purgatory and the point were they met in the church was at some stage in the future as hurly said to ben that you were a good number 2 indicating that they had worked together for a period of time...
In the end you probably could have watched season 1, the first few episodes of season 2 (to see what the hatch was all about) and then go straight to season 6.
the big reveal should have been what/when/where the island really was and not about a storyline (and not a particularly good one) just introduced in season 6.
as stated here the creators came out years ago and said that it wasnt going to be about purgatory etc
other things that didnt make sense:
shannon was sayid's soul mate and not his wife whom he knew since childhood?
as jack never had a son - was his son in purgatory just some random dead kid?
did richard, lapidus, miles, kate, sawyer get off the island?
if so how did they have the right bearing to get off? as the island was moved by ben would there have been a different bearing to what was previously known (michael and walt used a compass bearing of 325)?
what was the relevance of the statue? the egyptians?
why was tunisia the exit point for the island?
I could go on about more unsolved mysteries.
also flocke/the smoke monster deserved a better final fight scene/death.
Lost = The Long Con
did anyone notice the trainer tied to the bamboo that jack was walking through at the end of lost?
what was that about?
Quote from: flog the lot on May 25, 2010, 09:56:55 AM
did anyone notice the trainer tied to the bamboo that jack was walking through at the end of lost?
what was that about?
Debries from the plane crash i'd say.
Quote from: clarshack on May 25, 2010, 09:48:27 AM
In the end you probably could have watched season 1, the first few episodes of season 2 (to see what the hatch was all about) and then go straight to season 6.
the big reveal should have been what/when/where the island really was and not about a storyline (and not a particularly good one) just introduced in season 6.
as stated here the creators came out years ago and said that it wasnt going to be about purgatory etc
other things that didnt make sense:
shannon was sayid's soul mate and not his wife whom he knew since childhood? Shannon gave his life meaning again, she was maybe more important.
as jack never had a son - was his son in purgatory just some random dead kid? Haven't figured out all the sideways stuff. Not sure it's suppose to make total sense.
did richard, lapidus, miles, kate, sawyer get off the island? No reason to think they didn't. Doesn't matter if they died immediately or 100 years later anyway.
if so how did they have the right bearing to get off? as the island was moved by ben would there have been a different bearing to what was previously known (michael and walt used a compass bearing of 325)? The island was moved in time, not space. I thought this was fairly widely known.
what was the relevance of the statue? the egyptians? Just different people that had been to the island in the past. Helped beef up the mythology stuff.
why was tunisia the exit point for the island? f**k knows. Not important really.
I could go on about more unsolved mysteries.
also flocke/the smoke monster deserved a better final fight scene/death.
Lost = The Long Con
I think there's two types of Lost fan:
There's those that were only ever into it for the mystery and answers, and didn't see the characters as central to the show. These people are not going to be satisfied by the ending.
Then there's those that were maybe sucked in by the mythology and weird stuff, but over the course of the six seasons let the characters take over. These people are more likely to be happy with letting go to a few unanswered questions.
I suppose its wrong to look at the whole show as one big story arc, that was going to come to one big conclusion. It seemed more like a series of individual events and experiences that a group of unfulfilled or 'lost' people shared, which brought them together and gave their lives some purpose. Maybe this is a bit airy fairy, and maybe they played up the mythology a bit too much considering its irrelevance in the end, but this is how I reckon they wanted you to see things.
Quote from: flog the lot on May 25, 2010, 09:56:55 AM
did anyone notice the trainer tied to the bamboo that jack was walking through at the end of lost?
what was that about?
That was Christians tennis show, which was there in first episode when Jack woke up with Vincent near him and the same shoe hanging in the tree.
I have to say I've never been as disappointed with a TV show in my life like I have been with Series 6 of Lost.
I could forgive the sheer daftness of the series up to then - I even gave up complaining that everytime someone said "we must go on a tr**p halfway across the island because you know, we have to", half of the people just followed for no good reason. I even got over the A-Team style of machine guns don't kill the good guys, but the good guys can kill anyone they like with an improvised catapult.
Why in hell did the producers feel they needed to keep adding characters in season 6, most of whom had absolutely no bearing on the final outcome?
Why in hell did they keep deviating the story instead of just concluding it?
Seriously irked.
Shannon gave his life meaning again, she was maybe more important.
- I would have always felt his iraqi bird was far more meaningful, and that he would certainly choose her if he'd a choice in afterlife. Maybe the iraqi actress wasnt available, or maybe the reconciliation with blondie just made for a better scene and also had the benefit of getting the bro' back in.
The island was moved in time, not space. I thought this was fairly widely known.
- It certainly moved in time. Why did it disappear from the view of those in the chopper though?
Quote from: Hound on May 25, 2010, 12:35:46 PM
Shannon gave his life meaning again, she was maybe more important.
- I would have always felt his iraqi bird was far more meaningful, and that he would certainly choose her if he'd a choice in afterlife. Maybe the iraqi actress wasnt available, or maybe the reconciliation with blondie just made for a better scene and also had the benefit of getting the bro' back in.
Aye, that's more than likely the real reason. I'm trying to think what the official line might be though.
Quote from: Hound on May 25, 2010, 12:35:46 PM
The island was moved in time, not space. I thought this was fairly widely known.
- It certainly moved in time. Why did it disappear from the view of those in the chopper though?
I have no idea :-\
I find that this site tends to give a fairly detailed understanding of what goes on in the show, albeit I haven't read this thread yet on the last episode:
http://forums.thedigitalfix.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=594685&page=1
Quote from: AFS on May 25, 2010, 10:26:01 AM
Quote from: clarshack on May 25, 2010, 09:48:27 AM
In the end you probably could have watched season 1, the first few episodes of season 2 (to see what the hatch was all about) and then go straight to season 6.
the big reveal should have been what/when/where the island really was and not about a storyline (and not a particularly good one) just introduced in season 6.
as stated here the creators came out years ago and said that it wasnt going to be about purgatory etc
other things that didnt make sense:
shannon was sayid's soul mate and not his wife whom he knew since childhood? Shannon gave his life meaning again, she was maybe more important.
as jack never had a son - was his son in purgatory just some random dead kid? Haven't figured out all the sideways stuff. Not sure it's suppose to make total sense.
did richard, lapidus, miles, kate, sawyer get off the island? No reason to think they didn't. Doesn't matter if they died immediately or 100 years later anyway.
if so how did they have the right bearing to get off? as the island was moved by ben would there have been a different bearing to what was previously known (michael and walt used a compass bearing of 325)? The island was moved in time, not space. I thought this was fairly widely known.
what was the relevance of the statue? the egyptians? Just different people that had been to the island in the past. Helped beef up the mythology stuff.
why was tunisia the exit point for the island? f**k knows. Not important really.
I could go on about more unsolved mysteries.
also flocke/the smoke monster deserved a better final fight scene/death.
Lost = The Long Con
I think there's two types of Lost fan:
There's those that were only ever into it for the mystery and answers, and didn't see the characters as central to the show. These people are not going to be satisfied by the ending.
Then there's those that were maybe sucked in by the mythology and weird stuff, but over the course of the six seasons let the characters take over. These people are more likely to be happy with letting go to a few unanswered questions.
I suppose its wrong to look at the whole show as one big story arc, that was going to come to one big conclusion. It seemed more like a series of individual events and experiences that a group of unfulfilled or 'lost' people shared, which brought them together and gave their lives some purpose. Maybe this is a bit airy fairy, and maybe they played up the mythology a bit too much considering its irrelevance in the end, but this is how I reckon they wanted you to see things.
You're posing far too many questions there Clarkshack. As AFS has said, you need to go a bit more with the the flow of it. Where the plane goes is completely irrelevant.
The best TV show in history finished with a blank screen and looking back it was a master stroke that so many other shows are going to follow, in some way, shape or form. Lost was never, never going to be tied up in a bow. However, looking back on it again from the start would be interesting.
Still wouldn't mind knowing what was in the shadow of the statue!
Quote from: Smokin Joe on May 25, 2010, 01:27:03 PM
I find that this site tends to give a fairly detailed understanding of what goes on in the show, albeit I haven't read this thread yet on the last episode:
http://forums.thedigitalfix.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=594685&page=1
Shame on you Joe!
You should be posting the following on that thread:
I find that this site tends to give a fairly detailed understanding of what goes on in the show
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=4773.0
Just thought of another bladdy question:
Widmore planted loads of explosives on the aeroplane. Why didn't it explode when the lads started it up?
Quote from: Hound on May 25, 2010, 02:15:45 PM
Just thought of another bladdy question:
Widmore planted loads of explosives on the aeroplane. Why didn't it explode when the lads started it up?
Flocke moved it to the submarine which did blow up.
Quote from: AFS on May 25, 2010, 01:13:09 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 25, 2010, 12:35:46 PM
The island was moved in time, not space. I thought this was fairly widely known.
- It certainly moved in time. Why did it disappear from the view of those in the chopper though?
I have no idea :-\
They might have jumped to the future when the Island was under water.
Majestic ending to a wonderful piece of entertainment that kept me hooked
for six years. Sure, not everything was answered as to the mysterious properties
of the island. Personally, it was all about the characters for me and I thought
it was perfectly wrapped up, though a little cheesy (A 'Christian Shepard' leading
them into the light ffs) but I went along with it. Those two hours summed up
what I liked about all of Lost - great storyline, great acting, funny and moving.
Its provided endless debates with friends and family and its a pity it's over, but
what an ending.
Quote from: Zapatista on May 25, 2010, 02:32:45 PM
Quote from: AFS on May 25, 2010, 01:13:09 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 25, 2010, 12:35:46 PM
The island was moved in time, not space. I thought this was fairly widely known.
- It certainly moved in time. Why did it disappear from the view of those in the chopper though?
I have no idea :-\
They might have jumped to the future when the Island was under water.
In order to be visible it would have to have been at a point in space and time that the people in the chopper could see, if the island was moved in time and was therefore no longer at the same point in time as the chopper it would no longer have been visible. Same thing for example as if you leave a glass on a table, it will be visible to you for the length of time its there but wont be visible to you if someone puts it away.
I definitely fall into the camp of expecting/wanting everything to have been explained but feel a jipped that it wasn't
What I would be surprised about is if this isnt the last lost we see, I know the makers have said thats it, but theres a lot of established shows have been cancelled in the last year or two, Heroes, 24, Flashforward this year alone that I wouldnt be surprised if ABC brought Lost back if the new shows dont draw in the same viewers/ syndication buys
Quote from: David McKeown on May 25, 2010, 10:52:28 PM
In order to be visible it would have to have been at a point in space and time that the people in the chopper could see, if the island was moved in time and was therefore no longer at the same point in time as the chopper it would no longer have been visible. Same thing for example as if you leave a glass on a table, it will be visible to you for the length of time its there but wont be visible to you if someone puts it away.
That's what I said ;)
If they brought it back, it would have to be with a completely different cast. They've done all they can with the current one. I don't think it'll be back. The writers have been banging on for years that the show was all about the characters, and the finale was an absolute confirmation of this. A return with a different cast would be at odds with the original theme of the show. I just don't see how it would work.
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Ending Explanations Posted by Writer From Bad Robot
Really, I was quite disappointed by the ending so I figured I'd do some searching and on one of the many forums I read I found this. It IS written by a Bad Robot writer who worked on lost and maybe it's been posted here and maybe it hasn't but it clears up some things many of you have questions about so I figured I'd share. I was going to post this up in a blog but this site wouldn't allow me to make a blog since I created a new account. So I figured since this is where I came first to look for answers maybe someone else will as well.
Orignal Post
Found on lostmediamentions Spoiler Good stuff on here! I can finally throw in my two cents! I've had to bite my tongue for far too long. Also, hopefully I can answer some of John's questions about Dharma and the "pointless breadcrumbs" that really, weren't so pointless ...
First ... The Island:
It was real. Everything that happened on the island that we saw throughout the 6 seasons was real. Forget the final image of the plane crash, it was put in purposely to f*&k with people's heads and show how far the show had come. They really crashed. They really survived. They really discovered Dharma and the Others. The Island keeps the balance of good and evil in the world. It always has and always will perform that role. And the Island will always need a "Protector". Jacob wasn't the first, Hurley won't be the last. However, Jacob had to deal with a malevolent force (MIB) that his mother, nor Hurley had to deal with. He created the devil and had to find a way to kill him -- even though the rules prevented him from actually doing so.
Thus began Jacob's plan to bring candidates to the Island to do the one thing he couldn't do. Kill the MIB. He had a huge list of candidates that spanned generations. Yet everytime he brought people there, the MIB corrupted them and caused them to kill one another. That was until Richard came along and helped Jacob understand that if he didn't take a more active role, then his plan would never work.
Enter Dharma -- which I'm not sure why John is having such a hard time grasping. Dharma, like the countless scores of people that were brought to the island before, were brought there by Jacob as part of his plan to kill the MIB. However, the MIB was aware of this plan and interferred by "corrupting" Ben. Making Ben believe he was doing the work of Jacob when in reality he was doing the work of the MIB. This carried over into all of Ben's "off-island" activities. He was the leader. He spoke for Jacob as far as they were concerned. So the "Others" killed Dharma and later were actively trying to kill Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and all the candidates because that's what the MIB wanted. And what he couldn't do for himself.
Dharma was originally brought in to be good. But was turned bad by MIB's corruption and eventually destroyed by his pawn Ben. Now, was Dharma only brought there to help Jack and the other Canditates on their overall quest to kill Smokey? Or did Jacob have another list of Canidates from the Dharma group that we were never aware of? That's a question that is purposley not answered because whatever answer the writers came up with would be worse than the one you come up with for yourself. Still ... Dharma's purpose is not "pointless" or even vague. Hell, it's pretty blantent.
Still, despite his grand plan, Jacob wanted to give his "candidates" (our Lostaways) the one thing he, nor his brother, were ever afforded: free will. Hence him bringing a host of "candidates" through the decades and letting them "choose" which one would actually do the job in the end. Maybe he knew Jack would be the one to kill Flocke and that Hurley would be the protector in the end. Maybe he didn't. But that was always the key question of the show: Fate vs Free-will. Science vs Faith. Personally I think Jacob knew from the beginning what was going to happen and that everyone played a part over 6 seasons in helping Jack get to the point where he needed to be to kill Smokey and make Hurley the protector -- I know that's how a lot of the writers viewed it. But again, they won't answer that (nor should they) because that ruins the fun.
In the end, Jack got to do what he always wanted to do from the very first episode of the show: Save his fellow Lostaways. He got Kate and Sawyer off the island and he gave Hurley the purpose in life he'd always been missing. And, in Sideways world (which we'll get to next) he in fact saved everyone by helping them all move on ...
Now...
Sideways World:
Sideways world is where it gets really cool in terms of theology and metaphysical discussion (for me at least -- because I love history/religion theories and loved all the talks in the writer's room about it). Basically what the show is proposing is that we're all linked to certain people during our lives. Call them soulmates (though it's not exactly the best word). But these people we're linked to are with us duing "the most important moments of our lives" as Christian said. These are the people we move through the universe with from lifetime to lifetime. It's loosely based in Hinduisim with large doses of western religion thrown into the mix.
The conceit that the writers created, basing it off these religious philosophies, was that as a group, the Lostaways subconsciously created this "sideways" world where they exist in purgatory until they are "awakened" and find one another. Once they all find one another, they can then move on and move forward. In essence, this is the show's concept of the afterlife. According to the show, everyone creates their own "Sideways" purgatory with their "soulmates" throughout their lives and exist there until they all move on together. That's a beautiful notion. Even if you aren't religious or even spirtual, the idea that we live AND die together is deeply profound and moving.
It's a really cool and spirtual concept that fits the whole tone and subtext the show has had from the beginning. These people were SUPPOSED to be together on that plane. They were supposed to live through these events -- not JUST because of Jacob. But because that's what the universe or God (depending on how religious you wish to get) wanted to happen. The show was always about science vs faith -- and it ultimately came down on the side of faith. It answered THE core question of the series. The one question that has been at the root of every island mystery, every character backstory, every plot twist. That, by itself, is quite an accomplishment.
How much you want to extrapolate from that is up to you as the viewer. Think about season 1 when we first found the Hatch. Everyone thought that's THE answer! Whatever is down there is the answer! Then, as we discovered it was just one station of many. One link in a very long chain that kept revealing more, and more of a larger mosiac.
But the writer's took it even further this season by contrasting this Sideways "purgatory" with the Island itself. Remember when Michael appeared to Hurley, he said he was not allowed to leave the Island. Just like the MIB. He wasn't allowed into this sideways world and thus, was not afforded the opportunity to move on. Why? Because he had proven himself to be unworthy with his actions on the Island. He failed the test. The others, passed. They made it into Sideways world when they died -- some before Jack, some years later. In Hurley's case, maybe centuries later. They exist in this sideways world until they are "awakened" and they can only move on TOGETHER because they are linked. They are destined to be together for eternity. That was their destiny.
They were NOT linked to Anna Lucia, Daniel, Roussou, Alex, Miles, Lupidis, (and all the rest who weren't in the chuch -- basically everyone who wasn't in season 1). Yet those people exist in Sideways world. Why? Well again, here's where they leave it up to you to decide. The way I like to think about it, is that those people who were left behind in Sideways world have to find their own soulmates before they can wake up. It's possible that those links aren't people from the island but from their other life (Anna's parnter, the guy she shot --- Roussou's husband, etc etc).
A lot of people have been talking about Ben and why he didn't go into the Church. And if you think of Sideways world in this way, then it gives you the answer to that very question. Ben can't move on yet because he hasn't connected with the people he needs to. It's going to be his job to awaken Roussou, Alex, Anna Lucia (maybe), Ethan, Goodspeed, his father and the rest. He has to attone for his sins more than he did by being Hurley's number two. He has to do what Hurley and Desmond did for our Lostaways with his own people. He has to help them connect. And he can only move on when all the links in his chain are ready to. Same can be said for Faraday, Charlotte, Whidmore, Hawkins etc. It's really a neat, and cool concept. At least to me.
But, from a more "behind the scenes" note: the reason Ben's not in the church, and the reason no one is in the church but for Season 1 people is because they wrote the ending to the show after writing the pilot. And never changed it. The writers always said (and many didn't believe them) that they knew their ending from the very first episode. I applaud them for that. It's pretty fantastic. Originally Ben was supposed to have a 3 episode arc and be done. But he became a big part of the show. They could have easily changed their ending and put him in the church -- but instead they problem solved it. Gave him a BRILLIANT moment with Locke outside the church ... and then that was it. I loved that. For those that wonder -- the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ's ending. And they kept it.
For me the ending of this show means a lot. Not only because I worked on it, but because as a writer it inspired me in a way the medium had never done before. I've been inspired to write by great films. Maybe too many to count. And there have been amazing TV shows that I've loved (X-Files, 24, Sopranos, countless 1/2 hour shows). But none did what LOST did for me. None showed me that you could take huge risks (writing a show about faith for network TV) and stick to your creative guns and STILL please the audience. I learned a lot from the show as a writer. I learned even more from being around the incredible writers, producers, PAs, interns and everyone else who slaved on the show for 6 years.
In the end, for me, LOST was a touchstone show that dealt with faith, the afterlife, and all these big, spirtual questions that most shows don't touch. And to me, they never once waivered from their core story -- even with all the sci-fi elements they mixed in. To walk that long and daunting of a creative tightrope and survive is simply astounding.
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on May 26, 2010, 10:47:25 AM
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Ending Explanations Posted by Writer From Bad Robot
Really, I was quite disappointed by the ending so I figured I'd do some searching and on one of the many forums I read I found this. It IS written by a Bad Robot writer who worked on lost and maybe it's been posted here and maybe it hasn't but it clears up some things many of you have questions about so I figured I'd share. I was going to post this up in a blog but this site wouldn't allow me to make a blog since I created a new account. So I figured since this is where I came first to look for answers maybe someone else will as well.
Orignal Post
Found on lostmediamentions Spoiler Good stuff on here! I can finally throw in my two cents! I've had to bite my tongue for far too long. Also, hopefully I can answer some of John's questions about Dharma and the "pointless breadcrumbs" that really, weren't so pointless ...
First ... The Island:
It was real. Everything that happened on the island that we saw throughout the 6 seasons was real. Forget the final image of the plane crash, it was put in purposely to f*&k with people's heads and show how far the show had come. They really crashed. They really survived. They really discovered Dharma and the Others. The Island keeps the balance of good and evil in the world. It always has and always will perform that role. And the Island will always need a "Protector". Jacob wasn't the first, Hurley won't be the last. However, Jacob had to deal with a malevolent force (MIB) that his mother, nor Hurley had to deal with. He created the devil and had to find a way to kill him -- even though the rules prevented him from actually doing so.
Thus began Jacob's plan to bring candidates to the Island to do the one thing he couldn't do. Kill the MIB. He had a huge list of candidates that spanned generations. Yet everytime he brought people there, the MIB corrupted them and caused them to kill one another. That was until Richard came along and helped Jacob understand that if he didn't take a more active role, then his plan would never work.
Enter Dharma -- which I'm not sure why John is having such a hard time grasping. Dharma, like the countless scores of people that were brought to the island before, were brought there by Jacob as part of his plan to kill the MIB. However, the MIB was aware of this plan and interferred by "corrupting" Ben. Making Ben believe he was doing the work of Jacob when in reality he was doing the work of the MIB. This carried over into all of Ben's "off-island" activities. He was the leader. He spoke for Jacob as far as they were concerned. So the "Others" killed Dharma and later were actively trying to kill Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and all the candidates because that's what the MIB wanted. And what he couldn't do for himself.
Dharma was originally brought in to be good. But was turned bad by MIB's corruption and eventually destroyed by his pawn Ben. Now, was Dharma only brought there to help Jack and the other Canditates on their overall quest to kill Smokey? Or did Jacob have another list of Canidates from the Dharma group that we were never aware of? That's a question that is purposley not answered because whatever answer the writers came up with would be worse than the one you come up with for yourself. Still ... Dharma's purpose is not "pointless" or even vague. Hell, it's pretty blantent.
Still, despite his grand plan, Jacob wanted to give his "candidates" (our Lostaways) the one thing he, nor his brother, were ever afforded: free will. Hence him bringing a host of "candidates" through the decades and letting them "choose" which one would actually do the job in the end. Maybe he knew Jack would be the one to kill Flocke and that Hurley would be the protector in the end. Maybe he didn't. But that was always the key question of the show: Fate vs Free-will. Science vs Faith. Personally I think Jacob knew from the beginning what was going to happen and that everyone played a part over 6 seasons in helping Jack get to the point where he needed to be to kill Smokey and make Hurley the protector -- I know that's how a lot of the writers viewed it. But again, they won't answer that (nor should they) because that ruins the fun.
In the end, Jack got to do what he always wanted to do from the very first episode of the show: Save his fellow Lostaways. He got Kate and Sawyer off the island and he gave Hurley the purpose in life he'd always been missing. And, in Sideways world (which we'll get to next) he in fact saved everyone by helping them all move on ...
Now...
Sideways World:
Sideways world is where it gets really cool in terms of theology and metaphysical discussion (for me at least -- because I love history/religion theories and loved all the talks in the writer's room about it). Basically what the show is proposing is that we're all linked to certain people during our lives. Call them soulmates (though it's not exactly the best word). But these people we're linked to are with us duing "the most important moments of our lives" as Christian said. These are the people we move through the universe with from lifetime to lifetime. It's loosely based in Hinduisim with large doses of western religion thrown into the mix.
The conceit that the writers created, basing it off these religious philosophies, was that as a group, the Lostaways subconsciously created this "sideways" world where they exist in purgatory until they are "awakened" and find one another. Once they all find one another, they can then move on and move forward. In essence, this is the show's concept of the afterlife. According to the show, everyone creates their own "Sideways" purgatory with their "soulmates" throughout their lives and exist there until they all move on together. That's a beautiful notion. Even if you aren't religious or even spirtual, the idea that we live AND die together is deeply profound and moving.
It's a really cool and spirtual concept that fits the whole tone and subtext the show has had from the beginning. These people were SUPPOSED to be together on that plane. They were supposed to live through these events -- not JUST because of Jacob. But because that's what the universe or God (depending on how religious you wish to get) wanted to happen. The show was always about science vs faith -- and it ultimately came down on the side of faith. It answered THE core question of the series. The one question that has been at the root of every island mystery, every character backstory, every plot twist. That, by itself, is quite an accomplishment.
How much you want to extrapolate from that is up to you as the viewer. Think about season 1 when we first found the Hatch. Everyone thought that's THE answer! Whatever is down there is the answer! Then, as we discovered it was just one station of many. One link in a very long chain that kept revealing more, and more of a larger mosiac.
But the writer's took it even further this season by contrasting this Sideways "purgatory" with the Island itself. Remember when Michael appeared to Hurley, he said he was not allowed to leave the Island. Just like the MIB. He wasn't allowed into this sideways world and thus, was not afforded the opportunity to move on. Why? Because he had proven himself to be unworthy with his actions on the Island. He failed the test. The others, passed. They made it into Sideways world when they died -- some before Jack, some years later. In Hurley's case, maybe centuries later. They exist in this sideways world until they are "awakened" and they can only move on TOGETHER because they are linked. They are destined to be together for eternity. That was their destiny.
They were NOT linked to Anna Lucia, Daniel, Roussou, Alex, Miles, Lupidis, (and all the rest who weren't in the chuch -- basically everyone who wasn't in season 1). Yet those people exist in Sideways world. Why? Well again, here's where they leave it up to you to decide. The way I like to think about it, is that those people who were left behind in Sideways world have to find their own soulmates before they can wake up. It's possible that those links aren't people from the island but from their other life (Anna's parnter, the guy she shot --- Roussou's husband, etc etc).
A lot of people have been talking about Ben and why he didn't go into the Church. And if you think of Sideways world in this way, then it gives you the answer to that very question. Ben can't move on yet because he hasn't connected with the people he needs to. It's going to be his job to awaken Roussou, Alex, Anna Lucia (maybe), Ethan, Goodspeed, his father and the rest. He has to attone for his sins more than he did by being Hurley's number two. He has to do what Hurley and Desmond did for our Lostaways with his own people. He has to help them connect. And he can only move on when all the links in his chain are ready to. Same can be said for Faraday, Charlotte, Whidmore, Hawkins etc. It's really a neat, and cool concept. At least to me.
But, from a more "behind the scenes" note: the reason Ben's not in the church, and the reason no one is in the church but for Season 1 people is because they wrote the ending to the show after writing the pilot. And never changed it. The writers always said (and many didn't believe them) that they knew their ending from the very first episode. I applaud them for that. It's pretty fantastic. Originally Ben was supposed to have a 3 episode arc and be done. But he became a big part of the show. They could have easily changed their ending and put him in the church -- but instead they problem solved it. Gave him a BRILLIANT moment with Locke outside the church ... and then that was it. I loved that. For those that wonder -- the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ's ending. And they kept it.
For me the ending of this show means a lot. Not only because I worked on it, but because as a writer it inspired me in a way the medium had never done before. I've been inspired to write by great films. Maybe too many to count. And there have been amazing TV shows that I've loved (X-Files, 24, Sopranos, countless 1/2 hour shows). But none did what LOST did for me. None showed me that you could take huge risks (writing a show about faith for network TV) and stick to your creative guns and STILL please the audience. I learned a lot from the show as a writer. I learned even more from being around the incredible writers, producers, PAs, interns and everyone else who slaved on the show for 6 years.
In the end, for me, LOST was a touchstone show that dealt with faith, the afterlife, and all these big, spirtual questions that most shows don't touch. And to me, they never once waivered from their core story -- even with all the sci-fi elements they mixed in. To walk that long and daunting of a creative tightrope and survive is simply astounding.
There is soo much of this that I don't believe, if they had always had this as the original ending then why wasn't Walt there for example, as has been suggested previously its probably because he now looks so different to what he did six years ago. Why weren't members of the dharma initiative or the others there or those two with the diamonds? To me its just too convenient to say these people weren't ready to move on or weren't connected enough. For me they have come up with this reason quite recently and are now trying to make it look like this was always the creators intention. The same creators who had said this show wasnt about a purgatory or limbo.
Quote from: AFS on May 26, 2010, 09:24:39 AM
If they brought it back, it would have to be with a completely different cast. They've done all they can with the current one. I don't think it'll be back. The writers have been banging on for years that the show was all about the characters, and the finale was an absolute confirmation of this. A return with a different cast would be at odds with the original theme of the show. I just don't see how it would work.
Thought I would do a quick google to see if there were any rumours about another series, and there doesnt seem to be any although I did come across an interview with the actors who play Ben and Locke and they were saying they are apparently in tentative stages of planning a spin off staring the two of them
Quote from: David McKeown on May 26, 2010, 12:16:46 PM
Quote from: AFS on May 26, 2010, 09:24:39 AM
If they brought it back, it would have to be with a completely different cast. They've done all they can with the current one. I don't think it'll be back. The writers have been banging on for years that the show was all about the characters, and the finale was an absolute confirmation of this. A return with a different cast would be at odds with the original theme of the show. I just don't see how it would work.
Thought I would do a quick google to see if there were any rumours about another series, and there doesnt seem to be any although I did come across an interview with the actors who play Ben and Locke and they were saying they are apparently in tentative stages of planning a spin off staring the two of them
Were they not just saying they'd like to work together again because they got on so well? If it happened I don't think it would necessarily be anything connected to Lost. How would it work? Both of Terry O'Quinn's characters are dead. Yer man Michael Emerson is supposed to perfer theater anyway, which is a pity because he was the best actor in Lost by a distance.
Quote from: David McKeown on May 26, 2010, 12:14:28 PM
There is soo much of this that I don't believe, if they had always had this as the original ending then why wasn't Walt there for example, as has been suggested previously its probably because he now looks so different to what he did six years ago. Why weren't members of the dharma initiative or the others there or those two with the diamonds? To me its just too convenient to say these people weren't ready to move on or weren't connected enough. For me they have come up with this reason quite recently and are now trying to make it look like this was always the creators intention. The same creators who had said this show wasnt about a purgatory or limbo.
So you reckon it was worked out something like this:
Quote from: F365Lindelof: We won't have enough episodes left to finish it the way we wanted. What will we do?
Cuse: Why don't we just say they're in purgatory and they go to heaven at the end?
Lindelof: Great idea...........oh crap, haven't we already said that it's not purgatory?
Cuse: Oh yeah, damn.
(A few hours later)
Lindelof: Hey, I realise we only said that the island wasn't purgatory, why don't we just move them somewhere else first and call that purgatory?
Cuse: Brilliant. That way we don't have to explain half the crap we came up with when we were drunk, and it doesn't matter at the end who's dead or who's alive, or who got off the island or who remained on the island, although we'll just pretend that all baloney is important.
Lindelof: Yip and it also means we don't have explain timeline differences, we'll just say purgatory is timeless and they all end up there eventually.
Cuse: The words "Deus Ex Machina" spring to mind.
Lindelof: Lol
Cuse: I can't believe you actually said "lol" out loud..............nerd!
Lindelof: Speaking of nerds, how about we spend the next year playing World of Warcraft.
Cuse: Coooool! *imitating butthead*
I'm finding my mood changing about the ending on a daily basis since it aired. I was as frustrated as most and wasn't swallowing the "it's how you look at it" view. After reading that piece though I'm a lot happier although I wouldn't be too happy that purgatory was ruled out by the writers. There are still piles of stuff not explained in this piece but it would answer a lot of my questions and most importantly would mean that there was some relevance to what happened on the island. Now to see what my next mood brings.
Quote from: AFS on May 26, 2010, 01:04:16 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on May 26, 2010, 12:16:46 PM
Quote from: AFS on May 26, 2010, 09:24:39 AM
If they brought it back, it would have to be with a completely different cast. They've done all they can with the current one. I don't think it'll be back. The writers have been banging on for years that the show was all about the characters, and the finale was an absolute confirmation of this. A return with a different cast would be at odds with the original theme of the show. I just don't see how it would work.
Thought I would do a quick google to see if there were any rumours about another series, and there doesnt seem to be any although I did come across an interview with the actors who play Ben and Locke and they were saying they are apparently in tentative stages of planning a spin off staring the two of them
Were they not just saying they'd like to work together again because they got on so well? If it happened I don't think it would necessarily be anything connected to Lost. How would it work? Both of Terry O'Quinn's characters are dead. Yer man Michael Emerson is supposed to perfer theater anyway, which is a pity because he was the best actor in Lost by a distance.
Yeah I read a few of them saying they wanted to work together again but there was one specific one suggesting a spin-off series of what happened off world between Locke and Ben in between seasons 4 and 5 I think.
Also wouldnt quite have it the way you do, I would imagine that ABC's long arm was inthere somewhere
"New Man In Charge" 'Lost' Mini-Episode
When LOST: THE COMPLETE SIXTH SEASON and LOST: THE COMPLETE COLLECTION arrive on Blu-ray & DVD on August 24th they will feature a brand-new twelve minute mini-episode that takes a look at the Island as run by Hurley and Ben
http://popculturezoo.com/archives/6629
Quote from: David McKeown on May 25, 2010, 10:52:28 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on May 25, 2010, 02:32:45 PM
Quote from: AFS on May 25, 2010, 01:13:09 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 25, 2010, 12:35:46 PM
The island was moved in time, not space. I thought this was fairly widely known.
- It certainly moved in time. Why did it disappear from the view of those in the chopper though?
I have no idea :-\
They might have jumped to the future when the Island was under water.
In order to be visible it would have to have been at a point in space and time that the people in the chopper could see, if the island was moved in time and was therefore no longer at the same point in time as the chopper it would no longer have been visible. Same thing for example as if you leave a glass on a table, it will be visible to you for the length of time its there but wont be visible to you if someone puts it away.
Well that's beyond my comprehension!
I understand about the glass alright and clearly its moveable and is only there for a while. But the island didn't move, it only moved in time, so it should always be there no matter what time in the last century you come upon it.
So in the flash when the "island moved", from the perspective of the people on the helicopter I would have expected any people in their eyeline to disappear alright (like the glass), but the island itself should surely still be there.
Quote from: Hound on August 10, 2010, 04:09:59 PM
Well that's beyond my comprehension!
I understand about the glass alright and clearly its moveable and is only there for a while. But the island didn't move, it only moved in time, so it should always be there no matter what time in the last century you come upon it.
So in the flash when the "island moved", from the perspective of the people on the helicopter I would have expected any people in their eyeline to disappear alright (like the glass), but the island itself should surely still be there.
While the chopper was watching the island the island jumped to the future when it was under the water.
Just like you are watching the glass on the table and then the glass jumps to the future to a point after it has been put away it looks like it disappears. It hasn't disappeared, you just can't see it as it's now in the cupboard in the future.
Or, something totally different.
Hmmmm you can see why they called it 'Lost'.
Sorry have not read whole thread but did anyone notice than the ending was the same as Flann O'Brien's Third Policeman which was shown in season 2 when Desmond was punching the numbers which resulted in best sales ever for Flann's posthumously published novel. I am only after seeing the final season now but always wondered if series would have similar ending. I believe it did.
Is it about a bicycle ;)
Having just watched this i am now more convinced than ever that the ending we saw wasnt the original ending for Lost and that there may be more.
http://c0up.posterous.com/lost-season-6-epilogue-new-man-in-charge
Just did a marathon session watching the final season on the TIVO.
1) was excellent but left questions
2) thought the final episode was typical of the series
3) glad it is over and wish it would continue at the same time
A buddy and me were discussing death a ways back because I survived two near death experiences. I stated " what if you die but your life continues as normal (from your own perspective) until your time is extinguished". Meaning everything you know continues on a separate plane from your real life were Friends and Relatives no longer have you around but you continue with them around as though nothing has happened. I sensed that was similar to what the show explained to a certain extent.