When it starting? who's the favourites and any big guns playing this year.
Quote from: mad tan on January 21, 2016, 03:31:06 PM
When it starting? who's the favourites and any big guns playing this year.
An elitist compo that significantly impacts on the identified vulnerable group of 18-21 year olds who experience burn out. HQ has buried there heads in the sand on this compo.
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Quote from: Man Marker on January 21, 2016, 03:36:17 PM
Quote from: mad tan on January 21, 2016, 03:31:06 PM
When it starting? who's the favourites and any big guns playing this year.
An elitist compo that significantly impacts on the identified vulnerable group of 18-21 year olds who experience burn out. HQ has buried there heads in the sand on this compo.
They have and this competition is more to blame for burn out than the U21 championship IMO.
To answer the OP questions. Starting Tuesday the 26th. The favorites will be DCU,UCD and UUJ.
St Mary's have a good team this year. UUJ have all the big names but apparently don't play well together? I thought they done rightly in the McK cup.
Just read an article on this competition in the Gaelic Life today. In order I read about QUB and their listed squad, then St. Mary's + listed squad and then UUJ. The difference between these squads in terms of high profile names is unreal. UUJ have at least at least 20 lads who have played county senior plus another 5 + who have played county U21. It is hard to imagine any of the southern teams having that sort of representation so surely UUJ are favourites (on paper). Maybe they don't play as a unit and too many star men trying to win it on their own but on the list in the GL that is some squad of players. However, St.Marys due to the small size of the school is more like a club team and may fare out better as they are probably a closer knit unit more akin to a club side. QUB could surprise a few but unlikely.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 21, 2016, 03:47:25 PM
Quote from: Man Marker on January 21, 2016, 03:36:17 PM
Quote from: mad tan on January 21, 2016, 03:31:06 PM
When it starting? who's the favourites and any big guns playing this year.
An elitist compo that significantly impacts on the identified vulnerable group of 18-21 year olds who experience burn out. HQ has buried there heads in the sand on this compo.
They have and this competition is more to blame for burn out than the U21 championship IMO.
To answer the OP questions. Starting Tuesday the 26th. The favorites will be DCU,UCD and UUJ.
Hard to disagree with this (much as I'd like to). The problem isn't Sigerson per say, or indeed U.21 for that matter. The problem is that the same players are playing across all of these competitions. If the GAA had a set of balls they would make the Sigerson a non county players competition and take it back to its roots (a development competition) and therefore stop all these colleges like DCU and UUJ running around after big name county players. It would also give good club players an avenue to prove themselves through their college. At the minute these lads are down the pecking order due to the scholarship culture.
There were more recognisable names on the UUJ team than the Armagh team in the McKenna Cup game, first time i've ever experienced that. They played well that night & looked very organised. If I were having a punt it would be on UUJ.
Quote from: bennydorano on January 21, 2016, 05:53:34 PM
There were more recognisable names on the UUJ team than the Armagh team in the McKenna Cup game, first time i've ever experienced that. They played well that night & looked very organised. If I were having a punt it would be on UUJ.
Well they are favourites and it is being held in Jordanstown this year. I think St Marys could be in with a shout, seemed more than decent in the McKenna cup
Not a lot of love for the Sigerson here, or in general to be fair - but I can't see the all-powerful GPA ever standing for it to be downgraded. After all, scholarships are one of the very few actual monetary benefits that county players get, and if you turn it into a competition for non-county players or anything like that, then they'll dry up.
Similar to the idea that it should be played before Christmas - that's all very well, but what happens when a player who's on a scholarship is told to play Sigerson first and foremost, to the detriment of his club? He can't say no in that situation.
Quote from: Lone Shark on January 21, 2016, 06:06:51 PM
Not a lot of love for the Sigerson here, or in general to be fair - but I can't see the all-powerful GPA ever standing for it to be downgraded. After all, scholarships are one of the very few actual monetary benefits that county players get, and if you turn it into a competition for non-county players or anything like that, then they'll dry up.
Similar to the idea that it should be played before Christmas - that's all very well, but what happens when a player who's on a scholarship is told to play Sigerson first and foremost, to the detriment of his club? He can't say no in that situation.
The key thing about the Sigerson(and Fitzgibbon) is that the GAA has very little in the way of control over it - if the GAA do try to ban it or restrict it to non-county players, the odds are very high that the universities and colleges would simply ignore them and run the competition independently.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 21, 2016, 03:47:25 PM
Quote from: Man Marker on January 21, 2016, 03:36:17 PM
Quote from: mad tan on January 21, 2016, 03:31:06 PM
When it starting? who's the favourites and any big guns playing this year.
An elitist compo that significantly impacts on the identified vulnerable group of 18-21 year olds who experience burn out. HQ has buried there heads in the sand on this compo.
They have and this competition is more to blame for burn out than the U21 championship IMO.
To answer the OP questions. Starting Tuesday the 26th. The favorites will be DCU,UCD and UUJ.
Most county players have to travel large distances to U21 training; they have to walk over the road to Sigerson training. It should be played in Sept-Dec. It's not the demon some like to set it up to be and its prestige means colleges give many young players scholarships that mean they can attend college without a financial sword at their neck.
well said syferus good to see colleges encouraging our young gaa players, for many it helps them to a better education than they may have hoped for in some cases
Quote from: Syferus on January 21, 2016, 06:43:48 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 21, 2016, 03:47:25 PM
Quote from: Man Marker on January 21, 2016, 03:36:17 PM
Quote from: mad tan on January 21, 2016, 03:31:06 PM
When it starting? who's the favourites and any big guns playing this year.
An elitist compo that significantly impacts on the identified vulnerable group of 18-21 year olds who experience burn out. HQ has buried there heads in the sand on this compo.
They have and this competition is more to blame for burn out than the U21 championship IMO.
To answer the OP questions. Starting Tuesday the 26th. The favorites will be DCU,UCD and UUJ.
Most county players have to travel large distances to U21 training; they have to walk over the road to Sigerson training. It should be played in Sept-Dec. It's not the demon some like to set it up to be and its prestige means colleges give many young players scholarships that mean they can attend college without a financial sword at their neck.
Sept- Dec is used up for College league and i doubt few posters here could name the two finalists last December. Throw in the O Byrne cup,McKenna,FBD where managers of those college sides try to peak their players in time for the Sigerson cup.
Scrapping their college league and no more college sides in the pre season tournaments would be one way to ease the burden on these young players.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 21, 2016, 08:26:53 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 21, 2016, 06:43:48 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 21, 2016, 03:47:25 PM
Quote from: Man Marker on January 21, 2016, 03:36:17 PM
Quote from: mad tan on January 21, 2016, 03:31:06 PM
When it starting? who's the favourites and any big guns playing this year.
An elitist compo that significantly impacts on the identified vulnerable group of 18-21 year olds who experience burn out. HQ has buried there heads in the sand on this compo.
They have and this competition is more to blame for burn out than the U21 championship IMO.
To answer the OP questions. Starting Tuesday the 26th. The favorites will be DCU,UCD and UUJ.
Most county players have to travel large distances to U21 training; they have to walk over the road to Sigerson training. It should be played in Sept-Dec. It's not the demon some like to set it up to be and its prestige means colleges give many young players scholarships that mean they can attend college without a financial sword at their neck.
Sept- Dec is used up for College league and i doubt few posters here could name the two finalists last December. Throw in the O Byrne cup,McKenna,FBD where managers of those college sides try to peak their players in time for the Sigerson cup.
Scrapping their college league and no more college sides in the pre season tournaments would be one way to ease the burden on these young players.
The way the implication of moving the Sigerson Cup to Sept-Dec. It's the schedule that's the poison not colleges or U21 teams.
Hand on heart, I don't know who won the Sigerson last season. Or the season before. Most GAA fans don't know jack of what is going on in this competition. I realise for the players it's a nice medal to add to the collection and it's nice in years to come to say you played with and against certain players. But from the common man fan point of view this competition does not exist. Anyway this is not to say it does not have a value. It does for the players and probably for the Schools.
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 21, 2016, 09:33:13 PM
Hand on heart, I don't know who won the Sigerson last season. Or the season before. Most GAA fans don't know jack of what is going on in this competition. I realise for the players it's a nice medal to add to the collection and it's nice in years to come to say you played with and against certain players. But from the common man fan point of view this competition does not exist. Anyway this is not to say it does not have a value. It does for the players and probably for the Schools.
What about the good player from the small club in leitrim or longford? The Sigerson is the pinnacle for a lot of players and that is the reality. It is a superb competition with a lot of history and tradition. I also think it's very healthy for players to put aside county and club rivalries and come together for university teams. It may be an idea to runit off sept-dec but it still has a huge place in the gaa calendar.
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 21, 2016, 09:33:13 PM
Hand on heart, I don't know who won the Sigerson last season. Or the season before. Most GAA fans don't know jack of what is going on in this competition. I realise for the players it's a nice medal to add to the collection and it's nice in years to come to say you played with and against certain players. But from the common man fan point of view this competition does not exist. Anyway this is not to say it does not have a value. It does for the players and probably for the Schools.
No different than a junior county championship in that sense. But there's more tangible rewards to be had for players at third level. It's one of the few ways the best and most dedicated players can get rewarded for their effort. That's the reason it needs to be protected. A third level education is pretty much invaluable these days.
Should be played off before Xmas.
Or if a lad is on a 3rd level team, he cannot train with county senior or U21 teams.
Some crazy stuff going on
Quote from: Syferus on January 21, 2016, 09:49:55 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 21, 2016, 09:33:13 PM
Hand on heart, I don't know who won the Sigerson last season. Or the season before. Most GAA fans don't know jack of what is going on in this competition. I realise for the players it's a nice medal to add to the collection and it's nice in years to come to say you played with and against certain players. But from the common man fan point of view this competition does not exist. Anyway this is not to say it does not have a value. It does for the players and probably for the Schools.
No different than a junior county championship in that sense. But there's more tangible rewards to be had for players at third level. It's one of the few ways the best and most dedicated players can get rewarded for their effort. That's the reason it needs to be protected. A third level education is pretty much invaluable these days.
The football with the education is not a necessity. It's time to end the madness of Sigerson football. No one gives a shite about it anymore
Quote from: INDIANA on January 21, 2016, 10:13:01 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 21, 2016, 09:49:55 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 21, 2016, 09:33:13 PM
Hand on heart, I don't know who won the Sigerson last season. Or the season before. Most GAA fans don't know jack of what is going on in this competition. I realise for the players it's a nice medal to add to the collection and it's nice in years to come to say you played with and against certain players. But from the common man fan point of view this competition does not exist. Anyway this is not to say it does not have a value. It does for the players and probably for the Schools.
No different than a junior county championship in that sense. But there's more tangible rewards to be had for players at third level. It's one of the few ways the best and most dedicated players can get rewarded for their effort. That's the reason it needs to be protected. A third level education is pretty much invaluable these days.
The football with the education is not a necessity. It's time to end the madness of Sigerson football. No one gives a shite about it anymore
Maybe in the cocoon of Dublin where a lot of students don't need to pay for accomdation to go to college. I know people who aren't players who had two jobs on the go to support going to college. A GAA player travelling long distances to U21, senior and club training and Sigerson training too simply doesn't have the time to do all that and college and still have the time to earn the money they need to pay their living expenses.
Indy's Pale-centric viewpoint strikes again.
Clubs and Counties are for playing football with.
Unis and ITs are for getting education and qualifications and if there's a bit biteen of football thrown in - grand. But it should be low key just to lighten the load of learning - not a feckin world cup intensity glory fest ( in which there is absolutely fcuk all public interest).
Genuine question. If Sigerson was scrapped tomorrow what would be the implications?
I agree entirely about the Mc Kenna Cup and Sigerson should be retained but there needs to be constraints put on this comp.
Basically a player should only be able to train or play for one team at a time.
Choose between
County Senior
County U21
Third Level team
it would stop a lot of the madness of players being on multiple panels
If that means moving third level before Xmas, then so be it
Between all the various colleges, there are a total of 33 Roscommon players listed to be involved, although a few of them are injured.
Played Sigerson, and to be honest, its a medal that I have the most regrets of not winning (2 semi finals and a finalist)
Couple of points, players don't care about the crowds, it's the honor of representing your college, with friends that over 4/5 years, you have developed really strong bonds with, housemates, classmates, etc etc.
If we were to drop the competition because of media and attendance interest, how many competitions would survive??? The most important thing is the interest of the players, and it clearly has that.
The other factor that people don't realize, it is the real railway cup in the GAA calendar. For example, the Poly, Queens and the Ranch were mostly made up of Ulster players, with all counties covered (maybe with the exception of Cavan) and the same with the other colleges at that time. So this was my chance to rub shoulders with Down, Derry, Tryone, Armagh, Fermanagh etc , and prove that I could play with the best of them. Likewise, it was my chance to play against players from other provinces.
The whole scholarship thing... DCU brought this to a whole new level, and other colleges have responded. The big issue with these is that there should be a central group who regulates scholarships, and a centrally funded scheme for any of the smaller ITs who can't afford them.
Quote from: hardstation on January 23, 2016, 01:33:16 AM
Quote from: ck on January 22, 2016, 11:47:00 PM
Genuine question. If Sigerson was scrapped tomorrow what would be the implications?
There is more desire for it amongst its participating players than there is for the McKenna Cup amongst its participating players.
What do you base that on exactly? Plenty of fellas first (and many times only) opportunity to represent their county is in the McKenna Cup. Plenty of players take extreme pride in it, ask anyone from Tyrone
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 23, 2016, 11:45:11 AM
Basically a player should only be able to train or play for one team at a time.
Choose between
County Senior
County U21
Third Level team
it would stop a lot of the madness of players being on multiple panels
If that means moving third level before Xmas, then so be it
+1
The key issue is that its the same elite players playing in all these competitions. Make Sigerson a non county player competition and you would go a long way to solving a lot of the issues out there.
..and all the scholarship money for GAA players instantly dries up.
So colleges are holding players hostage with regard to scholarships just because of Sigerson? That's even more nuts. This is not the NCAA. These lads are not bringing in a pile of money to the colleges. I thought the grants were a deal done by the GAA/GPA and the colleges to help county players. I didn't realise it was a transfer fee to DCU or wherever.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 25, 2016, 02:26:09 PM
So colleges are holding players hostage with regard to scholarships just because of Sigerson? That's even more nuts. This is not the NCAA. These lads are not bringing in a pile of money to the colleges. I thought the grants were a deal done by the GAA/GPA and the colleges to help county players. I didn't realise it was a transfer fee to DCU or wherever.
They're not holding anyone hostage. But if you think a young lad in Roscommon would be able to attend DCU or UCD without incurring major costs then you're dead wrong. Given the amount of time those same lads put into travelling back to training, training itself and college a decent paying part-time job isn't always feasible. Maybe that lad has to settle for their second option only because of the time they have to put into GAA.
The scholarship money is important but no one is being held hostage. Sigerson should be the best players at a college, the idea of non-county only is total nonsense, frankly.
In your opinion. Despite what you seem to think, your opinion is not necessarily 100% correct. My point is not that the colleges, or indeed the GPA, should not contribute to scholarships. I think scholarships are great. What I am objecting to is the notion that those scholarships only exist because the player will play Sigerson. It's nuts. It's not a revenue generator for the college, so why make the grants dependant on that? So they should continue their grant system, in conjunction with the GAA, and not because of a competition that merely serves as yet another distraction for our most busy age group.
And f**k Cam Newton too :)
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 25, 2016, 02:58:36 PM
In your opinion. Despite what you seem to think, your opinion is not necessarily 100% correct. My point is not that the colleges, or indeed the GPA, should not contribute to scholarships. I think scholarships are great. What I am objecting to is the notion that those scholarships only exist because the player will play Sigerson. It's nuts. It's not a revenue generator for the college, so why make the grants dependant on that? So they should continue their grant system, in conjunction with the GAA, and not because of a competition that merely serves as yet another distraction for our most busy age group.
And f**k Cam Newton too :)
Do you think the colleges would be offering many scholarships to swimmers or soccer players if the only ones they could give them to were second tier swimmers or junior league soccer players? Colleges give a high percentage of their sports scholarships to athletes that can bring prestige to the college. That's life.
Prestige to the college :) I don't know about you, but I couldn't name the Sigerson winners from 2013. Actually 2014 either :)
I'm not against the grants per se, but I certainly think any GPA bursary should not be contingent on the player playing Sigerson.
Quote from: Syferus on January 25, 2016, 02:34:20 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 25, 2016, 02:26:09 PM
So colleges are holding players hostage with regard to scholarships just because of Sigerson? That's even more nuts. This is not the NCAA. These lads are not bringing in a pile of money to the colleges. I thought the grants were a deal done by the GAA/GPA and the colleges to help county players. I didn't realise it was a transfer fee to DCU or wherever.
They're not holding anyone hostage. But if you think a young lad in Roscommon would be able to attend DCU or UCD without incurring major costs then you're dead wrong. Given the amount of time those same lads put into travelling back to training, training itself and college a decent paying part-time job isn't always feasible. Maybe that lad has to settle for their second option only because of the time they have to put into GAA.
The scholarship money is important but no one is being held hostage. Sigerson should be the best players at a college, the idea of non-county only is total nonsense, frankly.
So young lads from Roscommon can't afford to go to university in Dublin if they don't get grants for playing football?
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 25, 2016, 03:15:55 PM
Prestige to the college :) I don't know about you, but I couldn't name the Sigerson winners from 2013. Actually 2014 either :)
I'm not against the grants per se, but I certainly think any GPA bursary should not be contingent on the player playing Sigerson.
If you saw the amount of photo ops colleges rope their star athletes into you wouldn't smile. Every admin wants to look good and getting to piggyback on the name recognition of athletes is a very handy way of doing that.
I don't doubt it. I'm questioning whether that really raises their prestige.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 25, 2016, 04:12:13 PM
I don't doubt it. I'm questioning whether that really raises their prestige.
It's more about what the college thinks than the actuality of it. Same reason colleges roll out the red carpet whenever the Minster for Useless Public Works appears. I know for a fact Sigerson Cups are a big deal when it comes to prospectus' and the like.
Scholarships are and continue to be a form of buying success. Mainly by DCU it has to be said.
Whilst the average GAA supporter hasn't got the first clue or even care who won Sigerson or who plays for who, the younger generation will know and they are the colleges target market, so it becomes a form of marketing.. by DCU. I used to work for an IT and I can tell you that the likes of DCU struggle for applications when compared to UCD, Trinity, UCC so this is their marketing tool. It puts them on the map, where their academic standing can't.
Sigerson is a terrific competition but its appeal and credibility is dwindling every year.
Quote from: ck on January 25, 2016, 09:48:03 PM
Scholarships are and continue to be a form of buying success. Mainly by DCU it has to be said.
Whilst the average GAA supporter hasn't got the first clue or even care who won Sigerson or who plays for who, the younger generation will know and they are the colleges target market, so it becomes a form of marketing.. by DCU. I used to work for an IT and I can tell you that the likes of DCU struggle for applications when compared to UCD, Trinity, UCC so this is their marketing tool. It puts them on the map, where their academic standing can't.
Sigerson is a terrific competition but its appeal and credibility is dwindling every year.
The Ulster colleges are far more agregious than DCU who generally bring in players in first year play them up through the freshers competitions and then onto Sigerson, not players on one year add-ons like UUJ is so fond of.
UUJ are beyond a joke. I wouldn't even include them in the same breath at UCD, Trinity et al.
I hear this year they have stooped to new lows, they have lads playing who are full time at other smaller colleges who don't have teams. They should be thrown out if it's true.
Quote from: Syferus on January 25, 2016, 09:53:08 PM
Quote from: ck on January 25, 2016, 09:48:03 PM
Scholarships are and continue to be a form of buying success. Mainly by DCU it has to be said.
Whilst the average GAA supporter hasn't got the first clue or even care who won Sigerson or who plays for who, the younger generation will know and they are the colleges target market, so it becomes a form of marketing.. by DCU. I used to work for an IT and I can tell you that the likes of DCU struggle for applications when compared to UCD, Trinity, UCC so this is their marketing tool. It puts them on the map, where their academic standing can't.
Sigerson is a terrific competition but its appeal and credibility is dwindling every year.
The Ulster colleges are far more agregious than DCU who generally bring in players in first year play them up through the freshers competitions and then onto Sigerson, not players on one year add-ons like UUJ is so fond of.
There are three entrants from Ulster in the Sigerson, UU have always had allegations thrown around about their "recruitment policies". Are you just throwing mud at Queens and St Mary's and hoping it sticks?
DCU and UU are sows of the one litter.
Quote from: oakleafgael on January 25, 2016, 10:27:08 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 25, 2016, 09:53:08 PM
Quote from: ck on January 25, 2016, 09:48:03 PM
Scholarships are and continue to be a form of buying success. Mainly by DCU it has to be said.
Whilst the average GAA supporter hasn't got the first clue or even care who won Sigerson or who plays for who, the younger generation will know and they are the colleges target market, so it becomes a form of marketing.. by DCU. I used to work for an IT and I can tell you that the likes of DCU struggle for applications when compared to UCD, Trinity, UCC so this is their marketing tool. It puts them on the map, where their academic standing can't.
Sigerson is a terrific competition but its appeal and credibility is dwindling every year.
The Ulster colleges are far more agregious than DCU who generally bring in players in first year play them up through the freshers competitions and then onto Sigerson, not players on one year add-ons like UUJ is so fond of.
There are three entrants from Ulster in the Sigerson, UU have always had allegations thrown around about their "recruitment policies". Are you just throwing mud at Queens and St Mary's and hoping it sticks?
DCU and UU are sows of the one litter.
QUB have had their share in recent years. Last year's comical sour grapes with ITS after they were fairly beaten highlighted their questionable use of players. St. Mary's I have little clue of and was referring to UUJ and QUB in particular.
Syferus I think the issue you were referring to was where IT Sligo was accused by Queen's of having an illegal player. It turned out he was illegal and the Sligo lads genuinely where not aware of it. (He was SU president) Ignorance is no excuse I know. Hardly a comparison to the antics of UUJ who flaunt the rules year after year though.
Quote from: ck on January 25, 2016, 11:01:42 PM
Syferus I think the issue you were referring to was where IT Sligo was accused by Queen's of having an illegal player. It turned out he was illegal and the Sligo lads genuinely where not aware of it. (He was SU president) Ignorance is no excuse I know. Hardly a comparison to the antics of UUJ who flaunt the rules year after year though.
QUB were using players from another smaller affiliated college and got thrown out themselves. Far more shady than playing a non-county SU president who actually managed the freshers' team in years previous. In the end the Doak situation was solved and ITS got to stay in.
Quote from: Syferus on January 25, 2016, 10:51:21 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on January 25, 2016, 10:27:08 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 25, 2016, 09:53:08 PM
Quote from: ck on January 25, 2016, 09:48:03 PM
Scholarships are and continue to be a form of buying success. Mainly by DCU it has to be said.
Whilst the average GAA supporter hasn't got the first clue or even care who won Sigerson or who plays for who, the younger generation will know and they are the colleges target market, so it becomes a form of marketing.. by DCU. I used to work for an IT and I can tell you that the likes of DCU struggle for applications when compared to UCD, Trinity, UCC so this is their marketing tool. It puts them on the map, where their academic standing can't.
Sigerson is a terrific competition but its appeal and credibility is dwindling every year.
The Ulster colleges are far more agregious than DCU who generally bring in players in first year play them up through the freshers competitions and then onto Sigerson, not players on one year add-ons like UUJ is so fond of.
There are three entrants from Ulster in the Sigerson, UU have always had allegations thrown around about their "recruitment policies". Are you just throwing mud at Queens and St Mary's and hoping it sticks?
DCU and UU are sows of the one litter.
QUB have had their share in recent years. Last year's comical sour grapes with ITS after they were fairly beaten highlighted their questionable use of players. St. Mary's I have little clue of and was referring to UUJ and QUB in particular.
Expand on QUB's fair share. They fucked up last year regarding the Stranmillis players issue but I don't recall any previous, and the use of the Stranmillis players is not comparable to the likes of UU and DCU practices.
So by your own admission you have little clue of St Marys but decided to throw mud at them?
Quote from: oakleafgael on January 25, 2016, 11:27:04 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 25, 2016, 10:51:21 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on January 25, 2016, 10:27:08 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 25, 2016, 09:53:08 PM
Quote from: ck on January 25, 2016, 09:48:03 PM
Scholarships are and continue to be a form of buying success. Mainly by DCU it has to be said.
Whilst the average GAA supporter hasn't got the first clue or even care who won Sigerson or who plays for who, the younger generation will know and they are the colleges target market, so it becomes a form of marketing.. by DCU. I used to work for an IT and I can tell you that the likes of DCU struggle for applications when compared to UCD, Trinity, UCC so this is their marketing tool. It puts them on the map, where their academic standing can't.
Sigerson is a terrific competition but its appeal and credibility is dwindling every year.
The Ulster colleges are far more agregious than DCU who generally bring in players in first year play them up through the freshers competitions and then onto Sigerson, not players on one year add-ons like UUJ is so fond of.
There are three entrants from Ulster in the Sigerson, UU have always had allegations thrown around about their "recruitment policies". Are you just throwing mud at Queens and St Mary's and hoping it sticks?
DCU and UU are sows of the one litter.
QUB have had their share in recent years. Last year's comical sour grapes with ITS after they were fairly beaten highlighted their questionable use of players. St. Mary's I have little clue of and was referring to UUJ and QUB in particular.
Expand on QUB's fair share. They fucked up last year regarding the Stranmillis players issue but I don't recall any previous, and the use of the Stranmillis players is not comparable to the likes of UU and DCU practices.
So by your own admission you have little clue of St Marys but decided to throw mud at them?
So UUJ and QUB aren't in Ulster? I said Ulster colleges not all Ulster colleges under the Sun so I really fail to see what you're arguing over.
Quote from: Syferus on January 25, 2016, 11:47:53 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on January 25, 2016, 11:27:04 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 25, 2016, 10:51:21 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on January 25, 2016, 10:27:08 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 25, 2016, 09:53:08 PM
Quote from: ck on January 25, 2016, 09:48:03 PM
Scholarships are and continue to be a form of buying success. Mainly by DCU it has to be said.
Whilst the average GAA supporter hasn't got the first clue or even care who won Sigerson or who plays for who, the younger generation will know and they are the colleges target market, so it becomes a form of marketing.. by DCU. I used to work for an IT and I can tell you that the likes of DCU struggle for applications when compared to UCD, Trinity, UCC so this is their marketing tool. It puts them on the map, where their academic standing can't.
Sigerson is a terrific competition but its appeal and credibility is dwindling every year.
The Ulster colleges are far more agregious than DCU who generally bring in players in first year play them up through the freshers competitions and then onto Sigerson, not players on one year add-ons like UUJ is so fond of.
There are three entrants from Ulster in the Sigerson, UU have always had allegations thrown around about their "recruitment policies". Are you just throwing mud at Queens and St Mary's and hoping it sticks?
DCU and UU are sows of the one litter.
QUB have had their share in recent years. Last year's comical sour grapes with ITS after they were fairly beaten highlighted their questionable use of players. St. Mary's I have little clue of and was referring to UUJ and QUB in particular.
Expand on QUB's fair share. They fucked up last year regarding the Stranmillis players issue but I don't recall any previous, and the use of the Stranmillis players is not comparable to the likes of UU and DCU practices.
So by your own admission you have little clue of St Marys but decided to throw mud at them?
So UUJ and QUB aren't in Ulster? I said Ulster colleges not all Ulster colleges under the Sun so I really fail to see what you're arguing over.
You said "The Ulster Colleges", maybe you didn't mean to throw them all in together but you did.
Quote from: oakleafgael on January 26, 2016, 09:30:59 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 25, 2016, 11:47:53 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on January 25, 2016, 11:27:04 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 25, 2016, 10:51:21 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on January 25, 2016, 10:27:08 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 25, 2016, 09:53:08 PM
Quote from: ck on January 25, 2016, 09:48:03 PM
Scholarships are and continue to be a form of buying success. Mainly by DCU it has to be said.
Whilst the average GAA supporter hasn't got the first clue or even care who won Sigerson or who plays for who, the younger generation will know and they are the colleges target market, so it becomes a form of marketing.. by DCU. I used to work for an IT and I can tell you that the likes of DCU struggle for applications when compared to UCD, Trinity, UCC so this is their marketing tool. It puts them on the map, where their academic standing can't.
Sigerson is a terrific competition but its appeal and credibility is dwindling every year.
The Ulster colleges are far more agregious than DCU who generally bring in players in first year play them up through the freshers competitions and then onto Sigerson, not players on one year add-ons like UUJ is so fond of.
There are three entrants from Ulster in the Sigerson, UU have always had allegations thrown around about their "recruitment policies". Are you just throwing mud at Queens and St Mary's and hoping it sticks?
DCU and UU are sows of the one litter.
QUB have had their share in recent years. Last year's comical sour grapes with ITS after they were fairly beaten highlighted their questionable use of players. St. Mary's I have little clue of and was referring to UUJ and QUB in particular.
Expand on QUB's fair share. They fucked up last year regarding the Stranmillis players issue but I don't recall any previous, and the use of the Stranmillis players is not comparable to the likes of UU and DCU practices.
So by your own admission you have little clue of St Marys but decided to throw mud at them?
So UUJ and QUB aren't in Ulster? I said Ulster colleges not all Ulster colleges under the Sun so I really fail to see what you're arguing over.
You said "The Ulster Colleges", maybe you didn't mean to throw them all in together but you did.
I didn't say all Ulster colleges, though.
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Quote from: ck on January 22, 2016, 11:47:00 PM
Genuine question. If Sigerson was scrapped tomorrow what would be the implications?
The fact is, the players love it. They are the boys who are training and participating in it. They aren't young, naive kids either. If the players want to play, let them play. There is more desire for it amongst its participating players than there is for the McKenna Cup amongst its participating players. So, fecking scrap that or "make it a competition for non-county players" or some other bollix.
I don't deny that University football, entrance requirements, extra UCAS points etc etc etc has turned the whole thing into a joke but the competition still carries a lot of weight amongst the players.
How does the extra UCAS points thing work? I'm assuming grades aren't artificially lifted by awarding bodies so are colleges awarding extra points themselves?
Is it something similar to this (link below)?
http://www.ulster.ac.uk/sport/files/2014/10/Application-Form-2015-A4WEB-26Sept143.pdf
Ah the ol annual gaaboard "Slate the Sigerson" brigade march is in swing I see!
Rumours abound that this new "Ulster University" collaboration are taking the piss again this year? Hopefully not true.
There are still plenty REAL student teams lads, don't worry. The likes of UCD, UCC, NUIM have done well in the competition without ever having dubious players. I have to admit, it was probably IT Tralee that started off the recruitment stuff back in 90s, but DCU and Jordanstown especially seem to be on a different level in recent years.
DCU single handedly ruined the football career of Aidan Walsh for example, by luring him up from Cork with a scholarship, apartment sharing with Michael Murphy and Paul Flynn etc. All the while knowing he was ineligible to play Sigerson, despite their attempts to railroad through an appeal. As a result, Walsh dropped out of his course after 2 years (whether through financial concerns or disillusionement at the football situation or both) and switched codes to hurling almost immediately.
In general though, there is nothing wrong with normal GAA scholarships though as they barely cover a fraction of the cost of living for students. I certainly wouldn't begrudge any Sigerson player who is a genuine student getting the €1500 or so provincial bursary.
Slate the Sigerson? Don't think anyone is slating it buddy!
Agree on the Aidan Walsh thing.
Quote from: Syferus on January 25, 2016, 11:05:18 PM
Quote from: ck on January 25, 2016, 11:01:42 PM
Syferus I think the issue you were referring to was where IT Sligo was accused by Queen's of having an illegal player. It turned out he was illegal and the Sligo lads genuinely where not aware of it. (He was SU president) Ignorance is no excuse I know. Hardly a comparison to the antics of UUJ who flaunt the rules year after year though.
QUB were using players from another smaller affiliated college and got thrown out themselves. Far more shady than playing a non-county SU president who actually managed the freshers' team in years previous. In the end the Doak situation was solved and ITS got to stay in.
Think you might be factually incorrect there. As far as I know Stranmillis teacher training is in Queens and they've always had players from there. I questioned this is the past and Stranmillis students have QUB student cards and that. For ITS Doak was a genuine mistake, which can happen.
None of these should be compared to the antics of DCU or UUJ (or whatever they call themselves this year). It's always convenient for DCU and UUJ to point the finger and say ah sure they're all at it.
Quote from: Syferus on January 25, 2016, 09:53:08 PM
Quote from: ck on January 25, 2016, 09:48:03 PM
Scholarships are and continue to be a form of buying success. Mainly by DCU it has to be said.
Whilst the average GAA supporter hasn't got the first clue or even care who won Sigerson or who plays for who, the younger generation will know and they are the colleges target market, so it becomes a form of marketing.. by DCU. I used to work for an IT and I can tell you that the likes of DCU struggle for applications when compared to UCD, Trinity, UCC so this is their marketing tool. It puts them on the map, where their academic standing can't.
Sigerson is a terrific competition but its appeal and credibility is dwindling every year.
The Ulster colleges are far more agregious than DCU who generally bring in players in first year play them up through the freshers competitions and then onto Sigerson, not players on one year add-ons like UUJ is so fond of.
You mean students studying for a Masters? Heaven forbid UUJ offering quality masters program.
Quote from: ck on January 25, 2016, 11:01:42 PM
Syferus I think the issue you were referring to was where IT Sligo was accused by Queen's of having an illegal player. It turned out he was illegal and the Sligo lads genuinely where not aware of it. (He was SU president) Ignorance is no excuse I know. Hardly a comparison to the antics of UUJ who flaunt the rules year after year though.
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New year same BS from ck
Please supply evidence of year on year flaunting of rules please
Quote from: Kickham csc on January 26, 2016, 03:05:41 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 25, 2016, 09:53:08 PM
Quote from: ck on January 25, 2016, 09:48:03 PM
Scholarships are and continue to be a form of buying success. Mainly by DCU it has to be said.
Whilst the average GAA supporter hasn't got the first clue or even care who won Sigerson or who plays for who, the younger generation will know and they are the colleges target market, so it becomes a form of marketing.. by DCU. I used to work for an IT and I can tell you that the likes of DCU struggle for applications when compared to UCD, Trinity, UCC so this is their marketing tool. It puts them on the map, where their academic standing can't.
Sigerson is a terrific competition but its appeal and credibility is dwindling every year.
The Ulster colleges are far more agregious than DCU who generally bring in players in first year play them up through the freshers competitions and then onto Sigerson, not players on one year add-ons like UUJ is so fond of.
You mean students studying for a Masters? Heaven forbid UUJ offering quality masters program.
Such quality that All-a star calibur players are getting scholarships in another jurisdiction each year is it? People complain about DCU but for the last near half a decade they've built from the bottom up. UUJ have tried and failed to buy Sigersons.
2pm game result. IT Carlow 1-10 IT Sligo 0-10
Video from the Sigerson game this afternoon - decent goal and save..
https://youtu.be/YP84F6P7W6w (https://youtu.be/YP84F6P7W6w)
Quote from: Syferus on January 26, 2016, 03:09:42 PM
Quote from: Kickham csc on January 26, 2016, 03:05:41 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 25, 2016, 09:53:08 PM
Quote from: ck on January 25, 2016, 09:48:03 PM
Scholarships are and continue to be a form of buying success. Mainly by DCU it has to be said.
Whilst the average GAA supporter hasn't got the first clue or even care who won Sigerson or who plays for who, the younger generation will know and they are the colleges target market, so it becomes a form of marketing.. by DCU. I used to work for an IT and I can tell you that the likes of DCU struggle for applications when compared to UCD, Trinity, UCC so this is their marketing tool. It puts them on the map, where their academic standing can't.
Sigerson is a terrific competition but its appeal and credibility is dwindling every year.
The Ulster colleges are far more agregious than DCU who generally bring in players in first year play them up through the freshers competitions and then onto Sigerson, not players on one year add-ons like UUJ is so fond of.
You mean students studying for a Masters? Heaven forbid UUJ offering quality masters program.
Such quality that All-a star calibur players are getting scholarships in another jurisdiction each year is it? People complain about DCU but for the last near half a decade they've built from the bottom up. UUJ have tried and failed to buy Sigersons.
So UUJ don't have freshers, 2nd 3rd teams anymore??? And all the scholarships that UUJ give to the hurling, camogie and ladies football team are all part of the sinister way to buy Sigersons!!!! UUJGAA community should be commended on the program they are delivering, ensure all aspects of the club are in scope.
Buying Sigersons is a urban myth.
Qualification for scholarships is based on entry requirements and a minimum sporting level (county), so they are set up to attract quality county players. Why... because UUJ sports department has set up a serious sports research program and the elite player scholarship is central to the program. (Note, the program is for all sports, not just GAA, even though the GAA club were the innovators)
"getting scholarships in another jurisdiction" you mean, for example, having a technical or scientific undergrad and getting a MBA, precisely the multi functional background these programs want. Or PGCE - teaching certs, which is the route to qualify as a teacher, for someone who didn't attend a teaching college and had a degree in a different jurisdiction......
On the academic side, UUJGaa has no influence over who can qualify to get into a degree, they need to have the exam results / qualifications to get in (managed by UUJ office). UUJGAA can only influence who gets the sports scholarship, once the UUJ office say they qualify.
Quote from: Kickham csc on January 26, 2016, 04:20:17 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 26, 2016, 03:09:42 PM
Quote from: Kickham csc on January 26, 2016, 03:05:41 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 25, 2016, 09:53:08 PM
Quote from: ck on January 25, 2016, 09:48:03 PM
Scholarships are and continue to be a form of buying success. Mainly by DCU it has to be said.
Whilst the average GAA supporter hasn't got the first clue or even care who won Sigerson or who plays for who, the younger generation will know and they are the colleges target market, so it becomes a form of marketing.. by DCU. I used to work for an IT and I can tell you that the likes of DCU struggle for applications when compared to UCD, Trinity, UCC so this is their marketing tool. It puts them on the map, where their academic standing can't.
Sigerson is a terrific competition but its appeal and credibility is dwindling every year.
The Ulster colleges are far more agregious than DCU who generally bring in players in first year play them up through the freshers competitions and then onto Sigerson, not players on one year add-ons like UUJ is so fond of.
You mean students studying for a Masters? Heaven forbid UUJ offering quality masters program.
Such quality that All-a star calibur players are getting scholarships in another jurisdiction each year is it? People complain about DCU but for the last near half a decade they've built from the bottom up. UUJ have tried and failed to buy Sigersons.
So UUJ don't have freshers, 2nd 3rd teams anymore??? And all the scholarships that UUJ give to the hurling, camogie and ladies football team are all part of the sinister way to buy Sigersons!!!! UUJGAA community should be commended on the program they are delivering, ensure all aspects of the club are in scope.
Buying Sigersons is a urban myth.
Qualification for scholarships is based on entry requirements and a minimum sporting level (county), so they are set up to attract quality county players. Why... because UUJ sports department has set up a serious sports research program and the elite player scholarship is central to the program. (Note, the program is for all sports, not just GAA, even though the GAA club were the innovators)
"getting scholarships in another jurisdiction" you mean, for example, having a technical or scientific undergrad and getting a MBA, precisely the multi functional background these programs want. Or PGCE - teaching certs, which is the route to qualify as a teacher, for someone who didn't attend a teaching college and had a degree in a different jurisdiction......
On the academic side, UUJGaa has no influence over who can qualify to get into a degree, they need to have the exam results / qualifications to get in (managed by UUJ office). UUJGAA can only influence who gets the sports scholarship, once the UUJ office say they qualify.
A ROI resident going to a UK college will be giving up a lot of SUSI-related grant money. The fact these players go to UUJ tells you they're getting a remarkable amount of scholarship money.
Quote from: Kickham csc on January 26, 2016, 03:06:56 PM
Quote from: ck on January 25, 2016, 11:01:42 PM
Syferus I think the issue you were referring to was where IT Sligo was accused by Queen's of having an illegal player. It turned out he was illegal and the Sligo lads genuinely where not aware of it. (He was SU president) Ignorance is no excuse I know. Hardly a comparison to the antics of UUJ who flaunt the rules year after year though.
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New year same BS from ck
Please supply evidence of year on year flaunting of rules please
Evidence? MMmm ok. Is Niall Madine a full time student at UUJ? Or is he a full time student at South West College in Newry.
Quote from: ck on January 26, 2016, 05:20:14 PM
Quote from: Kickham csc on January 26, 2016, 03:06:56 PM
Quote from: ck on January 25, 2016, 11:01:42 PM
Syferus I think the issue you were referring to was where IT Sligo was accused by Queen's of having an illegal player. It turned out he was illegal and the Sligo lads genuinely where not aware of it. (He was SU president) Ignorance is no excuse I know. Hardly a comparison to the antics of UUJ who flaunt the rules year after year though.
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New year same BS from ck
Please supply evidence of year on year flaunting of rules please
Evidence? MMmm ok. Is Niall Madine a full time student at UUJ? Or is he a full time student at South West College in Newry.
Evidence??? What course is he doing? Is he doing a technical course run by the college, or is it a UUJ course being held in SWC? Has he been registered and has the registration been approved by central colleges? Any ideas other than mud.
Two point win for Queens. A stroll for NUIG and DCU in their matches tonight.
Here's some video from the Queens win at Maynooth tonight..
https://www.facebook.com/HigherEdGAA/videos/908434195891328/?pnref=story (https://www.facebook.com/HigherEdGAA/videos/908434195891328/?pnref=story)
Quote from: Kickham csc on January 26, 2016, 06:39:36 PM
Quote from: ck on January 26, 2016, 05:20:14 PM
Quote from: Kickham csc on January 26, 2016, 03:06:56 PM
Quote from: ck on January 25, 2016, 11:01:42 PM
Syferus I think the issue you were referring to was where IT Sligo was accused by Queen's of having an illegal player. It turned out he was illegal and the Sligo lads genuinely where not aware of it. (He was SU president) Ignorance is no excuse I know. Hardly a comparison to the antics of UUJ who flaunt the rules year after year though.
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New year same BS from ck
Please supply evidence of year on year flaunting of rules please
Evidence? MMmm ok. Is Niall Madine a full time student at UUJ? Or is he a full time student at South West College in Newry.
Evidence??? What course is he doing? Is he doing a technical course run by the college, or is it a UUJ course being held in SWC? Has he been registered and has the registration been approved by central colleges? Any ideas other than mud.
No mud, just fact.
I'm hearing from croke park that he's one of many UUJ illegals in this years crop.
ITS very unlucky today against Carlow IT. Excellent freshers team at ITS this year I'm hearing so the future is bright.
Quote from: ck on January 26, 2016, 10:38:43 PM
Quote from: Kickham csc on January 26, 2016, 06:39:36 PM
Quote from: ck on January 26, 2016, 05:20:14 PM
Quote from: Kickham csc on January 26, 2016, 03:06:56 PM
Quote from: ck on January 25, 2016, 11:01:42 PM
Syferus I think the issue you were referring to was where IT Sligo was accused by Queen's of having an illegal player. It turned out he was illegal and the Sligo lads genuinely where not aware of it. (He was SU president) Ignorance is no excuse I know. Hardly a comparison to the antics of UUJ who flaunt the rules year after year though.
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New year same BS from ck
Please supply evidence of year on year flaunting of rules please
Evidence? MMmm ok. Is Niall Madine a full time student at UUJ? Or is he a full time student at South West College in Newry.
Evidence??? What course is he doing? Is he doing a technical course run by the college, or is it a UUJ course being held in SWC? Has he been registered and has the registration been approved by central colleges? Any ideas other than mud.
No mud, just fact.
I'm hearing from croke park that he's one of many UUJ illegals in this years crop.
To be fair CK you haven't said anything is a fact, you poised a question, maybe a rhetorical one but if you are so sure of who is legal and illegal then name them outright. Shit or get off the pot.
Quote from: ck on January 26, 2016, 05:20:14 PM
Quote from: Kickham csc on January 26, 2016, 03:06:56 PM
Quote from: ck on January 25, 2016, 11:01:42 PM
Syferus I think the issue you were referring to was where IT Sligo was accused by Queen's of having an illegal player. It turned out he was illegal and the Sligo lads genuinely where not aware of it. (He was SU president) Ignorance is no excuse I know. Hardly a comparison to the antics of UUJ who flaunt the rules year after year though.
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New year same BS from ck
Please supply evidence of year on year flaunting of rules please
Evidence? MMmm ok. Is Niall Madine a full time student at UUJ? Or is he a full time student at South West College in Newry.
What's the story with multi campus universities? UU only have one team that presumably train at Jordanstown. Coleraine, Magee and Belfast don't have a team. Are students on those campuses eligible to represent the university? Or can a university enter multiple teams (for each campus) if they've enough players on each campus?
Quote from: take_yer_points on January 27, 2016, 09:24:01 AM
Quote from: ck on January 26, 2016, 05:20:14 PM
Quote from: Kickham csc on January 26, 2016, 03:06:56 PM
Quote from: ck on January 25, 2016, 11:01:42 PM
Syferus I think the issue you were referring to was where IT Sligo was accused by Queen's of having an illegal player. It turned out he was illegal and the Sligo lads genuinely where not aware of it. (He was SU president) Ignorance is no excuse I know. Hardly a comparison to the antics of UUJ who flaunt the rules year after year though.
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New year same BS from ck
Please supply evidence of year on year flaunting of rules please
Evidence? MMmm ok. Is Niall Madine a full time student at UUJ? Or is he a full time student at South West College in Newry.
What's the story with multi campus universities? UU only have one team that presumably train at Jordanstown. Coleraine, Magee and Belfast don't have a team. Are students on those campuses eligible to represent the university? Or can a university enter multiple teams (for each campus) if they've enough players on each campus?
Do Magee and Coleraine not play in lower grade University competitions. Apologies if it has been discussed before but whats the story when Jordanstown moves most of its students into Belfast? Do Jordanstown and Belfast amalgamate? Not that I'm aware of too many GAA players in the former art college.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 27, 2016, 09:31:14 AM
Quote from: take_yer_points on January 27, 2016, 09:24:01 AM
Quote from: ck on January 26, 2016, 05:20:14 PM
Quote from: Kickham csc on January 26, 2016, 03:06:56 PM
Quote from: ck on January 25, 2016, 11:01:42 PM
Syferus I think the issue you were referring to was where IT Sligo was accused by Queen's of having an illegal player. It turned out he was illegal and the Sligo lads genuinely where not aware of it. (He was SU president) Ignorance is no excuse I know. Hardly a comparison to the antics of UUJ who flaunt the rules year after year though.
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New year same BS from ck
Please supply evidence of year on year flaunting of rules please
Evidence? MMmm ok. Is Niall Madine a full time student at UUJ? Or is he a full time student at South West College in Newry.
What's the story with multi campus universities? UU only have one team that presumably train at Jordanstown. Coleraine, Magee and Belfast don't have a team. Are students on those campuses eligible to represent the university? Or can a university enter multiple teams (for each campus) if they've enough players on each campus?
Do Magee and Coleraine not play in lower grade University competitions. Apologies if it has been discussed before but whats the story when Jordanstown moves most of its students into Belfast? Do Jordanstown and Belfast amalgamate? Not that I'm aware of too many GAA players in the former art college.
I've no idea about Magee and Coleraine. Did they ever play Sigerson?
Quote from: take_yer_points on January 27, 2016, 09:49:14 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 27, 2016, 09:31:14 AM
Quote from: take_yer_points on January 27, 2016, 09:24:01 AM
Quote from: ck on January 26, 2016, 05:20:14 PM
Quote from: Kickham csc on January 26, 2016, 03:06:56 PM
Quote from: ck on January 25, 2016, 11:01:42 PM
Syferus I think the issue you were referring to was where IT Sligo was accused by Queen's of having an illegal player. It turned out he was illegal and the Sligo lads genuinely where not aware of it. (He was SU president) Ignorance is no excuse I know. Hardly a comparison to the antics of UUJ who flaunt the rules year after year though.
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New year same BS from ck
Please supply evidence of year on year flaunting of rules please
Evidence? MMmm ok. Is Niall Madine a full time student at UUJ? Or is he a full time student at South West College in Newry.
What's the story with multi campus universities? UU only have one team that presumably train at Jordanstown. Coleraine, Magee and Belfast don't have a team. Are students on those campuses eligible to represent the university? Or can a university enter multiple teams (for each campus) if they've enough players on each campus?
Do Magee and Coleraine not play in lower grade University competitions. Apologies if it has been discussed before but whats the story when Jordanstown moves most of its students into Belfast? Do Jordanstown and Belfast amalgamate? Not that I'm aware of too many GAA players in the former art college.
I've no idea about Magee and Coleraine. Did they ever play Sigerson?
Nah I'd be shocked if they ever did. Both very small campuses. Trench Cup at the most I'd imagine. I dont think you'd ever have Coleraine/Magee players togging out for UUJ. Plenty of county lads have went to both and never played Sigerson.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 27, 2016, 09:57:31 AM
Quote from: take_yer_points on January 27, 2016, 09:49:14 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 27, 2016, 09:31:14 AM
Quote from: take_yer_points on January 27, 2016, 09:24:01 AM
Quote from: ck on January 26, 2016, 05:20:14 PM
Quote from: Kickham csc on January 26, 2016, 03:06:56 PM
Quote from: ck on January 25, 2016, 11:01:42 PM
Syferus I think the issue you were referring to was where IT Sligo was accused by Queen's of having an illegal player. It turned out he was illegal and the Sligo lads genuinely where not aware of it. (He was SU president) Ignorance is no excuse I know. Hardly a comparison to the antics of UUJ who flaunt the rules year after year though.
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New year same BS from ck
Please supply evidence of year on year flaunting of rules please
Evidence? MMmm ok. Is Niall Madine a full time student at UUJ? Or is he a full time student at South West College in Newry.
What's the story with multi campus universities? UU only have one team that presumably train at Jordanstown. Coleraine, Magee and Belfast don't have a team. Are students on those campuses eligible to represent the university? Or can a university enter multiple teams (for each campus) if they've enough players on each campus?
Do Magee and Coleraine not play in lower grade University competitions. Apologies if it has been discussed before but whats the story when Jordanstown moves most of its students into Belfast? Do Jordanstown and Belfast amalgamate? Not that I'm aware of too many GAA players in the former art college.
I've no idea about Magee and Coleraine. Did they ever play Sigerson?
Nah I'd be shocked if they ever did. Both very small campuses. Trench Cup at the most I'd imagine. I dont think you'd ever have Coleraine/Magee players togging out for UUJ. Plenty of county lads have went to both and never played Sigerson.
Don't know about now, but Magee played in D3 and Coleraine in D2. Coleraine actually beat UUJ in 97 in the Sigerson QF.
Deserved win for Queens on the night by the sounds of it but Maynooth seem to have under performed once again. Marty Clarke played very well apparently which is good to hear.
Who are the high profile players playing for each of the universities this year?
QuoteWednesday
Sigerson Cup preliminary round
St Pat's Drumcondra v GMIT, St Pat's GAA pitch, 2pm
Anyone know where St. Pat's GAA pitch is?
I know of a footballer who played for UUJ and Derry in the McKenna cup and attends UUM in Derry city who have their own Gaelic Football team.
Blue peter badge for the first to guess!
Full Time Sigerson Cup
St. Pat's Drumcondra 0-9
GMIT 1-12
Decent forwards on GMIT team this year.
Coleraine have definitely played sigerson cup and are an older, longer established GAA club than Whiteabbey
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Quote from: ck on January 25, 2016, 11:01:42 PM
Syferus I think the issue you were referring to was where IT Sligo was accused by Queen's of having an illegal player. It turned out he was illegal and the Sligo lads genuinely where not aware of it. (He was SU president) Ignorance is no excuse I know. Hardly a comparison to the antics of UUJ who flaunt the rules year after year though.
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New year same BS from ck
Please supply evidence of year on year flaunting of rules please
Evidence? MMmm ok. Is Niall Madine a full time student at UUJ? Or is he a full time student at South West College in Newry.
Evidence??? What course is he doing? Is he doing a technical course run by the college, or is it a UUJ course being held in SWC? Has he been registered and has the registration been approved by central colleges? Any ideas other than mud.
No mud, just fact.
I'm hearing from croke park that he's one of many UUJ illegals in this years crop.
So have Croke Park blocked the registrations of these many UUJ illegals? If not, why has Croke Park allowed illegals to play for UUJ???
Is this the same Croke Park source who advised that Sligo IT didn't play an illegal player last year???
I find it strange that every year UUJ are identified as culprits for fielding illegal players, but when was the last time they were punished for playing illegals.
In the meantime, DCU Queens and Sligo IT have all been punished, but...... UUJ "flaunt the rules year after year though"
Quote from: DuffleKing on January 27, 2016, 05:53:00 PM
Coleraine have definitely played sigerson cup and are an older, longer established GAA club than Whiteabbey
Coleraine in '69 and UUJ '71
Both clubs had to endure a massive amount of sectarian resistance over the years and have grown from strength to strength.
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 27, 2016, 12:59:12 PM
Who are the high profile players playing for each of the universities this year?
When UUJ played Armagh they had McKinless (Derry), McNamee (Tyrone), McHugh (Donegal), Clarke (Cavan), Argue (Cavan), O'Boyle (Derry), Hughes ( Monaghan), Madine ( Down) and McBearty ( Donegal) starting. That is just from memory. Man of match was Grugan ( Omagh and Tyrone).
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 27, 2016, 12:59:12 PM
Who are the high profile players playing for each of the universities this year?
Whatever rossie's are involved are obviously the superstars in their teams.
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Quote from: Kickham csc on January 26, 2016, 03:06:56 PM
Quote from: ck on January 25, 2016, 11:01:42 PM
Syferus I think the issue you were referring to was where IT Sligo was accused by Queen's of having an illegal player. It turned out he was illegal and the Sligo lads genuinely where not aware of it. (He was SU president) Ignorance is no excuse I know. Hardly a comparison to the antics of UUJ who flaunt the rules year after year though.
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New year same BS from ck
Please supply evidence of year on year flaunting of rules please
Evidence? MMmm ok. Is Niall Madine a full time student at UUJ? Or is he a full time student at South West College in Newry.
What's the story with multi campus universities? UU only have one team that presumably train at Jordanstown. Coleraine, Magee and Belfast don't have a team. Are students on those campuses eligible to represent the university? Or can a university enter multiple teams (for each campus) if they've enough players on each campus?
Do Magee and Coleraine not play in lower grade University competitions. Apologies if it has been discussed before but whats the story when Jordanstown moves most of its students into Belfast? Do Jordanstown and Belfast amalgamate? Not that I'm aware of too many GAA players in the former art college.
I've no idea about Magee and Coleraine. Did they ever play Sigerson?
Nah I'd be shocked if they ever did. Both very small campuses. Trench Cup at the most I'd imagine. I dont think you'd ever have Coleraine/Magee players togging out for UUJ. Plenty of county lads have went to both and never played Sigerson.
Don't know about now, but Magee played in D3 and Coleraine in D2. Coleraine actually beat UUJ in 97 in the Sigerson QF.
They beat Queens in 96 as well.
Why the Sigerson is Special.. five reasons from this week's games in Carlow, Maynooth and Dublin.. Yes, I am a fan..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIkWWszJo_E&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIkWWszJo_E&feature=youtu.be)
Quote from: Any craic on January 29, 2016, 03:41:04 AM
Why the Sigerson is Special.. five reasons from this week's games in Carlow, Maynooth and Dublin.. Yes, I am a fan..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIkWWszJo_E&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIkWWszJo_E&feature=youtu.be)
Fair play Jerome, great work as always.
I too love this competition and along with many others really appreciate the work you do throwing up highlights for us to have a look at.
I enjoy watching the games. I just think too much emphasis is put on it, and it should be run off before Christmas.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 29, 2016, 02:44:06 PM
I enjoy watching the games. I just think too much emphasis is put on it, and it should be run off before Christmas.
You can't expect colleges who return in October to get teams fully prepared and then run off a league AND Sigerson before Christmas.
Don't get the "too much emphasis" comment either. According to the wise sages of this board nobody gives a shit about it. Or do you mean the colleges themselves put too much energy into it and neglect the GAA in the college as a whole?
I'm talking about the latter, and also the pressure on players. The Sigerson, in my view, should be a competition played between colleges who treat it as a nice diversion from everyday student life. That's the way it used to be. However it seems now that in many cases it's basically another "county" team for lads at an age when they are being pulled from pillar to post with Senior and U21 county.
All that said, when the games are played, they are good to look at. The attendances would reinforce the point that nobody really cares outside the colleges, but as I said, if the players enjoy it and it was treated as a break from student life/county grind, then I'd be all for it.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 29, 2016, 03:47:23 PM
I'm talking about the latter, and also the pressure on players. The Sigerson, in my view, should be a competition played between colleges who treat it as a nice diversion from everyday student life. That's the way it used to be. However it seems now that in many cases it's basically another "county" team for lads at an age when they are being pulled from pillar to post with Senior and U21 county.
All that said, when the games are played, they are good to look at. The attendances would reinforce the point that nobody really cares outside the colleges, but as I said, if the players enjoy it and it was treated as a break from student life/county grind, then I'd be all for it.
When I played with the Poly, the pressure to win was put on the players themselves. And there was a full commitment to win. Why?? Because the chairman of the club and the committee would all be mates with the players, and together we wanted to win as this was our club, run by us.
The Sigerson was the No 1football focus, but Sigerson, 2nds and 3rd panels all trained together. The Freshers were the only panel to not train with the Sigerson
We also ran events, socials, mystery tours, club dinners, club tours, so we had a great football and social program.
The result, friendships were formed, which are really strong 20 years later.
This wouldn't happen if it was treated as a nice diversion.
Quote from: Link on January 27, 2016, 01:36:17 PM
I know of a footballer who played for UUJ and Derry in the McKenna cup and attends UUM in Derry city who have their own Gaelic Football team.
Blue peter badge for the first to guess!
I'm not in the loop anymore and live away. Who is it?
I use to manage the UUM team and we had a few UUJ lads who played for us, Mainly due to their placement being in Derry City.
COB obviously.
Easy win for UUJ today over the Garda college. Great to see Garda back in the competition all the same.
St.Marys Belfast beat DIT after ET. Don't know score
St Mary's 1-11 DIT 2-6 AET in Galbally, Tyrone.
Where these the only games today?
Quote from: Aaron Boone on February 02, 2016, 06:25:32 PM
St Mary's 1-11 DIT 2-6 AET in Galbally, Tyrone.
Was it not switched to the 4G pitch at Garvaghy?
Was that supposed to be a neutral venue? If so, very harsh on DIT. Maybe it's a Mary's homer as they don't have a pitch?
Bs i see your clubmate must have renewed acquaintances with murphy today with murphy getting line this time. Must be some ding dong between the two of them with the size of them.
UL beat Tralee 2.15 to 2.9, I think. About 60 Kerry lads on display.
Cathal O'Rourke in todays Irish news talking about illegal players in Sigerson. I wonder who he's talking about?
Ah thats the old queens man in him coming out, UUJ were alot stronger 3yrs ago and got beat by, was it Crok uni with hardly any county men and a kerry sub scoring all the frees
2013
UUJ: Rory Beggan (Monaghan);
Barry Tierney (Tyrone), Chrissy McKaigue (Derry), Dean McNally (Tyrone);
Luke Keaney (Donegal), Colin Walshe (Monaghan), Killian Clarke (Cavan);
Matthew Donnelly (Tyrone), Nial McKeever (Antrim);
Kieran Hughes (Monaghan), Ronan O'Neill (Tyrone), Danny Savage (Down);
Jamie Clarke (Armagh), Caolan O'Boyle (Derry), Conor McAlliskey (Tyrone).
Thats 13 players who are county standard.
UCC had 2 household names - Michael Quinlivan (Tipperary), Paul Geaney (Kerry).
As Joe Brolly hit the nail on the head with "If UUJ School of flower arranging don't win the Sigerson today it will be a bigger waste of money than Arsenal"
Joke of a Uni
Unbelievable really ITG. Niall locked horns with Murphy before the throw on on Sunday in Carlow and it went on between them for the full match until in the last minute - after a two minute wrestling match they both got the line for their second yellows. Neither yielded an inch both six foot six.
And then two days later they meet in a Sigerson match and renew acquaintances all over again. You couldn't write it.
Quote from: our_fella on February 05, 2016, 08:42:43 PM
2013
UUJ: Rory Beggan (Monaghan);
Barry Tierney (Tyrone), Chrissy McKaigue (Derry), Dean McNally (Tyrone);
Luke Keaney (Donegal), Colin Walshe (Monaghan), Killian Clarke (Cavan);
Matthew Donnelly (Tyrone), Nial McKeever (Antrim);
Kieran Hughes (Monaghan), Ronan O'Neill (Tyrone), Danny Savage (Down);
Jamie Clarke (Armagh), Caolan O'Boyle (Derry), Conor McAlliskey (Tyrone).
Thats 13 players who are county standard.
UCC had 2 household names - Michael Quinlivan (Tipperary), Paul Geaney (Kerry).
As Joe Brolly hit the nail on the head with "If UUJ School of flower arranging don't win the Sigerson today it will be a bigger waste of money than Arsenal"
Joke of a Uni
Neither of those were household names either.
I remember been at UUJ, the McEntees probably been fresher level, Brian Burns Down and Eamon Burns Derry were still there or maybe back for a masters, neither bothered to play for the Uni that year and they still had a crazy team (been around 95/96)
So what's this about then ?
A statement from the Central Hearings Committee today:
QUB GAA, its secretary, chairperson, Sigerson team manager and 3 other players sought urgent Hearings on Saturday the 6th February 2016. 4 of the Defending Parties did not attend. 1 of the players could not attend due to a medical issue and his case was adjourned. As no reasonable excuse for their non-attendance was provided, the other 3 absentees had their Proposed Penalties imposed in accordance with the Official Guide 2015. Following a 5 1/2 hour Hearing, the allegations against QUB GAA and the other Defending Parties in attendance were dismissed.
A further statement will follow.
I've read this twice and can't make head nor tail of it. :-\ Could mean anything.
Anyone know what the allegations are?
Get rid of the whole thing.
I believe
QUBGAA played a number of Stranmillis Students including Marty Clarke. The players, manager James Mc Cartan and QUB official were all suspended. QUB was thrown out of the Sigerson Cup sometime after they played Maynooth, not sure when.
There is a fully functioning GAA club in Stranmillis playing in a lower division.
If I read the statement correctly those that turned up and QUBGAA won their cases at the hearing committee. Those who did not turn up were suspended.
Quote from: Jinxy on February 06, 2016, 10:21:06 PM
Get rid of the whole thing.
What Queens? Thats harsh..it's a really nice college. :P
And the funny thing is that the director of gaelic at Queens was throwing around allegations about other colleges playing illegal players in this week's Irish news.
BRITISH FINAL CALLED OFF THIS MORNING. LOT OF PEOPLE NOT HAPPY.
Quote from: FermGael on February 07, 2016, 08:24:14 AM
And the funny thing is that the director of gaelic at Queens was throwing around allegations about other colleges playing illegal players in this week's Irish news.
After what happened last year that's not even funny, just incredibly sad.
Quote from: stronghold on February 07, 2016, 12:25:35 AM
I believe
QUBGAA played a number of Stranmillis Students including Marty Clarke. The players, manager James Mc Cartan and QUB official were all suspended. QUB was thrown out of the Sigerson Cup sometime after they played Maynooth, not sure when.
There is a fully functioning GAA club in Stranmillis playing in a lower division.
If I read the statement correctly those that turned up and QUBGAA won their cases at the hearing committee. Those who did not turn up were suspended.
Are u seriously saying that queens have been thrown out of Sigerson? Why are we only learning of this in a chat room?
I previously checked the status of Stranmillis and queens for former role and it would appear legit enough in that Stranmillis seems to be a teaching college in queens. The students all have qub student cards and they all graduate from queens. However, if this has changed then shame on them.
O'Rourke was in the Irish news last week complaining about illegal players in Fitz and Sigerson. This whole thing seems incredible.
These supposedly more enlightened higher education participants continuously showing themselves up as incompetent and somewhat challenged in the area of intellect. I wonder if the administrators are the lads of yesteryear that were let in with low grades on the basis of sporting ability? That would explain plenty including Aidan O'Rourke.
Can see the arguments for roading the whole competition but would be much better to start with removing elite player pathways i.e. dropping entry requirements for players.
First off the elite element of the GAA has far too much influence over the volunteer/community aspect that is the foundation of the association. Secondly students should be admitted on their academic merits, not their ability on a sports field. Not in an amateur code.
Quote from: ck on February 07, 2016, 07:11:00 PM
Quote from: stronghold on February 07, 2016, 12:25:35 AM
I believe
QUBGAA played a number of Stranmillis Students including Marty Clarke. The players, manager James Mc Cartan and QUB official were all suspended. QUB was thrown out of the Sigerson Cup sometime after they played Maynooth, not sure when.
There is a fully functioning GAA club in Stranmillis playing in a lower division.
If I read the statement correctly those that turned up and QUBGAA won their cases at the hearing committee. Those who did not turn up were suspended.
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Are u seriously saying that queens have been thrown out of Sigerson? Why are we only learning of this in a chat room?
I previously checked the status of Stranmillis and queens for former role and it would appear legit enough in that Stranmillis seems to be a teaching college in queens. The students all have qub student cards and they all graduate from queens. However, if this has changed then shame on them.
O'Rourke was in the Irish news last week complaining about illegal players in Fitz and Sigerson. This whole thing seems incredible.
Ck I am told that the Higher Ed committee threw QUB out at a meeting last Tuesday night. I suppose after last year everyone wanted it to be kept quiet.
You are also correct in relation to Stranmillis and the student cards. Only problem is that Stranmillis has its own football club in Division 3
Also remember St Mary's , Stranmillis and Queens all have the same cards.
So QUB are OUT of Sigerson?! Really? Why are we not hearing about this anywhere else??
Go back and read the relevant posts CK. Queens WON the appeal and the case was dismissed (after a 5 hour hearing).
But they have a sweat on about a few players who were apparently suspended for 12 weeks on a technicality because they were not able to turn up in person to the appeal.
Queens are hopeful this will be rescinded/overturned. That's my understanding of it...though I am quite a distance from any involvement in this.
Quote from: bannside on February 08, 2016, 01:14:26 PM
Go back and read the relevant posts CK. Queens WON the appeal and the case was dismissed (after a 5 hour hearing).
But they have a sweat on about a few players who were apparently suspended for 12 weeks on a technicality because they were not able to turn up in person to the appeal.
Queens are hopeful this will be rescinded/overturned. That's my understanding of it...though I am quite a distance from any involvement in this.
That is also my understanding. Having had the case dismissed on Saturday, you would also expect the players to win on appeal
Quote from: bannside on February 08, 2016, 01:14:26 PM
Go back and read the relevant posts CK. Queens WON the appeal and the case was dismissed (after a 5 hour hearing).
But they have a sweat on about a few players who were apparently suspended for 12 weeks on a technicality because they were not able to turn up in person to the appeal.
Queens are hopeful this will be rescinded/overturned. That's my understanding of it...though I am quite a distance from any involvement in this.
Ah sorry I didn't read it properly. It sounds like a mountain out of a molehill then, clearly Stranmillis students are part of Queen's. In my day they had Stranmillis students playing too but no one cared cos they weren't big county star names. Now that Martin Clarke is playing it seems to have stirred again.
If QUB have been cleared then the people who are behind the allegations really should do their homework first?
The sigerson is becoming a laughing stock given the amount of farcical rows there are off the pitch.
1/100 odds that whoever posted this, read that fool Colin Duffys facebook.
Surely we would have hear sumthing by now?
Quote from: our_fella on February 08, 2016, 05:40:34 PM
1/100 odds that whoever posted this, read that fool Colin Duffys facebook.
Surely we would have hear sumthing by now?
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2016/02/08/news/queen-s-hit-with-sigerson-cup-punishments-411727/
This link was posted on Armagh forum.
Quote from: ck on February 08, 2016, 05:37:06 PM
Quote from: bannside on February 08, 2016, 01:14:26 PM
Go back and read the relevant posts CK. Queens WON the appeal and the case was dismissed (after a 5 hour hearing).
But they have a sweat on about a few players who were apparently suspended for 12 weeks on a technicality because they were not able to turn up in person to the appeal.
Queens are hopeful this will be rescinded/overturned. That's my understanding of it...though I am quite a distance from any involvement in this.
Ah sorry I didn't read it properly. It sounds like a mountain out of a molehill then, clearly Stranmillis students are part of Queen's. In my day they had Stranmillis students playing too but no one cared cos they weren't big county star names. Now that Martin Clarke is playing it seems to have stirred again.
If QUB have been cleared then the people who are behind the allegations really should do their homework first?
The sigerson is becoming a laughing stock given the amount of farcical rows there are off the pitch.
Your correct CK,in your day. But there is now a fully functioning Gaelic Club at Stranmillis. I was told today that the rules were changed to prevent this happening but obviously who ever is in charge needs to have another look at it or forget about it altogether
I think it's time for Sigerson to become a competition for non County players.
Quote from: stronghold on February 08, 2016, 06:59:28 PM
Quote from: ck on February 08, 2016, 05:37:06 PM
Quote from: bannside on February 08, 2016, 01:14:26 PM
Go back and read the relevant posts CK. Queens WON the appeal and the case was dismissed (after a 5 hour hearing).
But they have a sweat on about a few players who were apparently suspended for 12 weeks on a technicality because they were not able to turn up in person to the appeal.
Queens are hopeful this will be rescinded/overturned. That's my understanding of it...though I am quite a distance from any involvement in this.
Ah sorry I didn't read it properly. It sounds like a mountain out of a molehill then, clearly Stranmillis students are part of Queen's. In my day they had Stranmillis students playing too but no one cared cos they weren't big county star names. Now that Martin Clarke is playing it seems to have stirred again.
If QUB have been cleared then the people who are behind the allegations really should do their homework first?
The sigerson is becoming a laughing stock given the amount of farcical rows there are off the pitch.
Your correct CK,in your day. But there is now a fully functioning Gaelic Club at Stranmillis. I was told today that the rules were changed to prevent this happening but obviously who ever is in charge needs to have another look at it or forget about it altogether
I think it's time for Sigerson to become a competition for non County players.
Well if the rules have changed then throw the book at them. Shame on them if they knew they were break rules! Surprised at a man like James McCartan being involved in this stuff.
Yeh would certainly see the merits in making Sigerson a competition for players not on county squads. If it made the competition more honest then that would be a big plus
Quote from: our_fella on February 08, 2016, 05:40:34 PM
1/100 odds that whoever posted this, read that fool Colin Duffys facebook.
:o
Does anyone really care aboutt the Sigerson anymore (apart from those playing in it). County teams the half of them it would seem.
Did this not come up last year after the Sligo IT match?
How the f**k was it not sorted then? Are we going to have this dispute every year now?
Quote from: Denn Forever on February 09, 2016, 11:32:15 AM
Does anyone really care aboutt the Sigerson anymore (apart from those playing in it). County teams the half of them it would seem.
Two threads on the sigerson cup here with many pages would suggest people still care.
Where and at what time is the UUJ v St Marys at tomorrow?
What exactly are the eligibility rules?
- Student has to be registered in the main institution? eg. Ulster University
- Student has to be registered on a specific campus in the main institution? Ulster University, Jordanstown Campus
- Student has to be registered in the main institution or a partner college and hold a valid student card? ie. Belfast Met on UU linked foundation degree (holding UU student card)
- Any minimum credit points the student has to be studying?
Quote from: take_yer_points on February 09, 2016, 03:07:40 PM
What exactly are the eligibility rules?
- Student has to be registered in the main institution? eg. Ulster University
- Student has to be registered on a specific campus in the main institution? Ulster University, Jordanstown Campus
- Student has to be registered in the main institution or a partner college and hold a valid student card? ie. Belfast Met on UU linked foundation degree (holding UU student card)
- Any minimum credit points the student has to be studying?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_KcdZoJ1VnZallGUG1oMTRycWM/view?pref=2&pli=1
Quote from: stronghold on February 09, 2016, 03:14:58 PM
Quote from: take_yer_points on February 09, 2016, 03:07:40 PM
What exactly are the eligibility rules?
- Student has to be registered in the main institution? eg. Ulster University
- Student has to be registered on a specific campus in the main institution? Ulster University, Jordanstown Campus
- Student has to be registered in the main institution or a partner college and hold a valid student card? ie. Belfast Met on UU linked foundation degree (holding UU student card)
- Any minimum credit points the student has to be studying?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_KcdZoJ1VnZallGUG1oMTRycWM/view?pref=2&pli=1
Good man. So in Byelaw (32) the following applies:
(a) A student shall be eligible to play only for the CA Club team(s) of the College or Institute where he is registered and studying, except where no CA Club exists in the relevant sporting code(s).
(b) A student of a College / Institute which does not have a CA Club in the relevant sporting code(s) may apply for permission to play for a CA Club of another College / Institute, by submitting an official CA Permission to Play form to An Coiste Feidhmiúcháin before 31 October of each academic year, and shall not play without receiving such permission.
Using the UU example, there doesn't seem to be a campus restriction (point a above) and assuming Belfast Met don't have a Club, then someone studying on a UU or QUB linked course there (eg. foundation degree) could play for UU/QUB.
Assuming Stranmillis have a club though, I can't see how those players are eligible for QUB unless as holders of a QUB student card they are deemed to be registered and studying at QUB?
Quote from: FermGael on February 09, 2016, 03:04:12 PM
Where and at what time is the UUJ v St Marys at tomorrow?
In Jordanstown at 2pm
Quote from: Denn Forever on February 09, 2016, 11:32:15 AM
Does anyone really care aboutt the Sigerson anymore (apart from those playing in it). County teams the half of them it would seem.
You make out like this level of outside 'caring' has changed. When was it any different? It is what it is. Do you think many turn up for Junior B club matches? Should they be chopped because of that too?
Quote from: Syferus on February 10, 2016, 07:35:32 AM
Quote from: Denn Forever on February 09, 2016, 11:32:15 AM
Does anyone really care about the Sigerson anymore (apart from those playing in it). County teams the half of them it would seem.
You make out like this level of outside 'caring' has changed. When was it any different? It is what it is. Do you think many turn up for Junior B club matches? Should they be chopped because of that too?
Exactly, spot on. The players care and that's all that matters.
You have 4 years to win the Sigerson, playing with mates from different clubs, counties, provinces.
That limited time frame results in each Sigerson weekend bringing it's own special pressure / tension / excitement etc.
The Sigerson weekend is truly a great weekend, for players and supporters.
Quote from: Syferus on February 10, 2016, 07:35:32 AM
Quote from: Denn Forever on February 09, 2016, 11:32:15 AM
Does anyone really care aboutt the Sigerson anymore (apart from those playing in it). County teams the half of them it would seem.
You make out like this level of outside 'caring' has changed. When was it any different? It is what it is. Do you think many turn up for Junior B club matches? Should they be chopped because of that too?
I think the point being made is that counties are being deprived of players playing in a competition that no longer holds the same prestige considering the attitude of some of the teams competing. Sigerson hasn't been interesting in about ten years.
Jerome/any craic any chance of extended highlights of today's UUJ St Mary's game being uploaded? Even one of them first/second half hilties videos would be great. Should be a great game today with the calibre of players on both sides added to it being a derby.
Quote from: general_lee on February 10, 2016, 11:19:56 AM
Quote from: Syferus on February 10, 2016, 07:35:32 AM
Quote from: Denn Forever on February 09, 2016, 11:32:15 AM
Does anyone really care aboutt the Sigerson anymore (apart from those playing in it). County teams the half of them it would seem.
You make out like this level of outside 'caring' has changed. When was it any different? It is what it is. Do you think many turn up for Junior B club matches? Should they be chopped because of that too?
I think the point being made is that counties are being deprived of players playing in a competition that no longer holds the same prestige considering the attitude of some of the teams competing. Sigerson hasn't been interesting in about ten years.
Some would argue that the counties have them for too long anyway. Sigerson is an easy target in the absolute mess that is the GAA calendar. If we were judging relevance of competitions based on outside interest in games then senior club football in many counties should be scrapped too.
Quote from: shark on February 10, 2016, 12:20:24 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 10, 2016, 11:19:56 AM
Quote from: Syferus on February 10, 2016, 07:35:32 AM
Quote from: Denn Forever on February 09, 2016, 11:32:15 AM
Does anyone really care aboutt the Sigerson anymore (apart from those playing in it). County teams the half of them it would seem.
You make out like this level of outside 'caring' has changed. When was it any different? It is what it is. Do you think many turn up for Junior B club matches? Should they be chopped because of that too?
I think the point being made is that counties are being deprived of players playing in a competition that no longer holds the same prestige considering the attitude of some of the teams competing. Sigerson hasn't been interesting in about ten years.
Some would argue that the counties have them for too long anyway. Sigerson is an easy target in the absolute mess that is the GAA calendar. If we were judging relevance of competitions based on outside interest in games then senior club football in many counties should be scrapped too.
It's just my opinion - Sigerson obviously is still held in very high regard. Jesus I don't care for it and even ill be checking results and watch the finals. In terms of administration however it needs a complete rethink
Quote from: general_lee on February 10, 2016, 11:19:56 AM
Quote from: Syferus on February 10, 2016, 07:35:32 AM
Quote from: Denn Forever on February 09, 2016, 11:32:15 AM
Does anyone really care aboutt the Sigerson anymore (apart from those playing in it). County teams the half of them it would seem.
You make out like this level of outside 'caring' has changed. When was it any different? It is what it is. Do you think many turn up for Junior B club matches? Should they be chopped because of that too?
I think the point being made is that counties are being deprived of players playing in a competition that no longer holds the same prestige considering the attitude of some of the teams competing. Sigerson hasn't been interesting in about ten years.
The prestige of the Sigerson is exactly the same as it's always been, though.
Quote from: Syferus on February 10, 2016, 07:35:32 AM
Quote from: Denn Forever on February 09, 2016, 11:32:15 AM
Does anyone really care aboutt the Sigerson anymore (apart from those playing in it). County teams the half of them it would seem.
You make out like this level of outside 'caring' has changed. When was it any different? It is what it is. Do you think many turn up for Junior B club matches? Should they be chopped because of that too?
No, it shouldn't be scrapped it's in just the appearance of high level county player the teams. Maybe it should be that players can play with one college i.e. if they go to a different college to do a course and played sigeorson with the first college, they shouldnt play for the new college,
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2016/02/10/news/live-coverage-sigerson-cup---ulster-university-v-st-mary-s-414871/
Ethan Rafferty and Patrick McBrearty the scorers so far.
See video from the game at Jordanstown this afternoon. Jerome Johnston livened the game up with a cracking goal and then UU finished well..
https://www.facebook.com/HigherEdGAA/videos/915674278500653/
UUJ: S Fox (Tyrone); R Johnston (Antrim), R McNamee 0-1 (Tyrone), K Clarke (Cavan); R McHugh (Donegal), F Burns 0-2 (Tyrone), S Sheridan (Armagh); N McKeever (Antrim), M Argue (Cavan); C Grugan 0-1 (Tyrone), E Rafferty 0-1 ('45') (Armagh), R McAnespie 0-1 (Monaghan); P McBrearty 0-5 (4f) (Donegal), K Hughes 0-1 (Monaghan), E Regan (Mayo)
Subs: R Donnelly 0-2 (Tyrone) for Rafferty (15), M Johnston (Antrim) for McKeever (BC, 23), D Savage (Down) for Argue (52), S Heavron (Derry) for Regan (55), G McKinless (Derry) for Burns (BC, 59)
St Mary's: R Burns (Down); A McKay (Armagh), D McBride (Tyrone), P McAleer (Antrim); H Loughran (Tyrone), N McParland (Down); C Byrne (Tyrone); P Carragher (Armagh), K McKernan 0-2 (Down); A Nugent (Armagh), K McGeary (Tyrone), C Meyler (Tyrone); P McBride (Antrim), M Fitzpatrick (Antrim), R O'Neill 0-2 (2f) (Tyrone)
Subs: C McCann (Tyrone) for Nugent (20), J Johnston 1-2 (Down) for Fitzpatrick (HT), R Johnston (Down) for McKay (BC, 35), N Toner (Derry) for Byrne (42), D Cavanagh (Tyrone) for O'Neill (52)
I always love seeing where the boys are from!!!!!!!
Anyways, how old is Danny McBride ???????????????????????????????????????????????????
Bad day for Armagh with Ethan Rafferty suffering an early hamstring injury.
Frank Burns seems to be going well.
Mickey was in attendance today, wonder if he might be having a look at Grugan or Burns to bring in at a later stage?
Is Rory beggan injured?
With Paddy Tally in charge at the Ranch they will never get no where. A team full of attacking class and he parks the bus once again! Serious negative approach when the forward talent is there. Baffling.
How many of the UUJ team have been there since freshers?. Killian Clarke and Argue weren't.. Clarke was in AIT and Argue in DIT.. Paddy McBrearty was in Maynooth. Ryan McHugh was in Sligo It as was Evan Regan
Regan doing a Masters.
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 10, 2016, 10:54:11 PM
How many of the UUJ team have been there since freshers?. Killian Clarke and Argue weren't.. Clarke was in AIT and Argue in DIT.. Paddy McBrearty was in Maynooth. Ryan McHugh was in Sligo It as was Evan Regan
Regan doing a Masters.
It's absolutely insane. UUJ winning the Sigerson would make a mockery of the competition.
Quote from: Syferus on February 10, 2016, 11:26:23 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 10, 2016, 10:54:11 PM
How many of the UUJ team have been there since freshers?. Killian Clarke and Argue weren't.. Clarke was in AIT and Argue in DIT.. Paddy McBrearty was in Maynooth. Ryan McHugh was in Sligo It as was Evan Regan
Regan doing a Masters.
It's absolutely insane. UUJ winNing the Sigerson would make a mockery of the competition.
The Sigerson has been a mockery for a long time but that's what makes it interesting. Its purely about which Uni has the best players in any given year and watching a whos who of county players lining out for a team makes the games interesting. Tralee where at it years ago, DIT have been at it - UUJ aren't doing anything that they weren't doing 15 years ago. In my view the Sigerson is a competition that isn't taken too seriously, outside those that are taking part.
Turn it into an u-21 competition.
Problem solved.
The almost USA system of attracting players more for football than academia is of course against the spirit of the competition and disappointing. However I think it is unfair that year after year UUJ take heavy negative comment for doing it without a fair balance being given to the fact that they are far from the only ones doing it. Sometimes reading comments here would make you think UUJ are unique in the approach.
As said before Tralee, DIT and DCU all do it and Queens are right on teh border of the rules selecting Stranmillis students as is seen each year when they have to attend hearings.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 11, 2016, 07:53:28 AM
Quote from: Syferus on February 10, 2016, 11:26:23 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 10, 2016, 10:54:11 PM
How many of the UUJ team have been there since freshers?. Killian Clarke and Argue weren't.. Clarke was in AIT and Argue in DIT.. Paddy McBrearty was in Maynooth. Ryan McHugh was in Sligo It as was Evan Regan
Regan doing a Masters.
It's absolutely insane. UUJ winNing the Sigerson would make a mockery of the competition.
The Sigerson has been a mockery for a long time but that's what makes it interesting. Its purely about which Uni has the best players in any given year and watching a whos who of county players lining out for a team makes the games interesting. Tralee where at it years ago, DIT have been at it - UUJ aren't doing anything that they weren't doing 15 years ago. In my view the Sigerson is a competition that isn't taken too seriously, outside those that are taking part.
Nope. Vast majority of colleges don't field teams of players they nearly entirely poached from other colleges' courses. DCU got some abuse but they never did anything of the level of UUJ. What Jordanstown are doing is precipitating change by being so brazen in their abuse of the system.
Quote from: Syferus on February 11, 2016, 09:06:57 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 11, 2016, 07:53:28 AM
Quote from: Syferus on February 10, 2016, 11:26:23 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 10, 2016, 10:54:11 PM
How many of the UUJ team have been there since freshers?. Killian Clarke and Argue weren't.. Clarke was in AIT and Argue in DIT.. Paddy McBrearty was in Maynooth. Ryan McHugh was in Sligo It as was Evan Regan
Regan doing a Masters.
It's absolutely insane. UUJ winNing the Sigerson would make a mockery of the competition.
The Sigerson has been a mockery for a long time but that's what makes it interesting. Its purely about which Uni has the best players in any given year and watching a whos who of county players lining out for a team makes the games interesting. Tralee where at it years ago, DIT have been at it - UUJ aren't doing anything that they weren't doing 15 years ago. In my view the Sigerson is a competition that isn't taken too seriously, outside those that are taking part.
Nope. Vast majority of colleges field teams of players they nearly entirely poached from other colleges' courses. DCU got some abuse but they never did anything of the level of UUJ. What Jordanstown are doing is precipitating change by being so brazen in their abuse of the system.
They were doing it when I was at Queens in the late 1990s. The whole competition is about getting as many good players as possible to play for your University in any given year and its been like that for years in a range of universities - not just UUJ. In many ways, this is the only reason that anybody, not directly involved, has an interest in the competition. The higher profile the players, the higher the profile of the competition. UUJ aren't doing anything now that makes the competition any more or any less of a mockery.
Yeah UUJ have been like that for a long time. Queens now seem to be getting in on the act and Tralee were probably worse in that late 90s period.
Quote from: Jinxy on February 11, 2016, 08:27:25 AM
Turn it into an u-21 competition.
Problem solved.
What about the students over 21?
Quote from: theticklemister on February 10, 2016, 05:48:25 PM
UUJ: S Fox (Tyrone); R Johnston (Antrim), R McNamee 0-1 (Tyrone), K Clarke (Cavan); R McHugh (Donegal), F Burns 0-2 (Tyrone), S Sheridan (Armagh); N McKeever (Antrim), M Argue (Cavan); C Grugan 0-1 (Tyrone), E Rafferty 0-1 ('45') (Armagh), R McAnespie 0-1 (Monaghan); P McBrearty 0-5 (4f) (Donegal), K Hughes 0-1 (Monaghan), E Regan (Mayo)
Subs: R Donnelly 0-2 (Tyrone) for Rafferty (15), M Johnston (Antrim) for McKeever (BC, 23), D Savage (Down) for Argue (52), S Heavron (Derry) for Regan (55), G McKinless (Derry) for Burns (BC, 59)
St Mary's: R Burns (Down); A McKay (Armagh), D McBride (Tyrone), P McAleer (Antrim); H Loughran (Tyrone), N McParland (Down); C Byrne (Tyrone); P Carragher (Armagh), K McKernan 0-2 (Down); A Nugent (Armagh), K McGeary (Tyrone), C Meyler (Tyrone); P McBride (Antrim), M Fitzpatrick (Antrim), R O'Neill 0-2 (2f) (Tyrone)
Subs: C McCann (Tyrone) for Nugent (20), J Johnston 1-2 (Down) for Fitzpatrick (HT), R Johnston (Down) for McKay (BC, 35), N Toner (Derry) for Byrne (42), D Cavanagh (Tyrone) for O'Neill (52)
I always love seeing where the boys are from!!!!!!!
Anyways, how old is Danny McBride ???????????????????????????????????????????????????
I like seeing where they are from too, actually came onto this thread to see if someone had posted their county as had read the report on hoganstand and it hadn't specified. Quite a number of Tyrone players involved as expected. McBride must be 29 at this stage.
As some have eluded, Sigerson has been a mockery for a long time now. Outside of those directly involved it is a bit of a laughing stock. Yet I would see it as a high value competition, WHEN PLAYED FAIRLY.
The reality is that many colleges have now entered the policy of attracting players, as their only way to compete. The reason for this is because of colleges like UUJ who have taken this approach for a couple of decades now. You can either sit back and dwell in disgust at their approach or you can join them and try to poach players for yourself. I was involved in a college team previously who attempted to compete but it simply underlined that Sigerson has moved a long way away from its roots. There is usually one or two men in these colleges who are behind all of this, usually men who have not been accepted in mainstream GAA.
Make Sigerson a non county player competition, make it U.21 and see how the poachers and scholarship givers get on then. More importantly it would force the competition back to where it once was, a competition for the up and coming, the FUTURE county player.
CK I went to queens so have it engrained in me to not have a love for UUJ but you do pick on them a bit. The likes of Tralee in the late 90s at least would have been every bit as bad as them and in later years dublin collegs too I suspect.
I would agree something like a non county player competition would maybe make more sense. I really enjoyed the sigerson competition(I wasn't in the league to play in it but watching) when at university in late 90s but the demands are too much now with the training load, u21 teams etc etc.
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 11, 2016, 09:47:38 AM
Quote from: theticklemister on February 10, 2016, 05:48:25 PM
UUJ: S Fox (Tyrone); R Johnston (Antrim), R McNamee 0-1 (Tyrone), K Clarke (Cavan); R McHugh (Donegal), F Burns 0-2 (Tyrone), S Sheridan (Armagh); N McKeever (Antrim), M Argue (Cavan); C Grugan 0-1 (Tyrone), E Rafferty 0-1 ('45') (Armagh), R McAnespie 0-1 (Monaghan); P McBrearty 0-5 (4f) (Donegal), K Hughes 0-1 (Monaghan), E Regan (Mayo)
Subs: R Donnelly 0-2 (Tyrone) for Rafferty (15), M Johnston (Antrim) for McKeever (BC, 23), D Savage (Down) for Argue (52), S Heavron (Derry) for Regan (55), G McKinless (Derry) for Burns (BC, 59)
St Mary's: R Burns (Down); A McKay (Armagh), D McBride (Tyrone), P McAleer (Antrim); H Loughran (Tyrone), N McParland (Down); C Byrne (Tyrone); P Carragher (Armagh), K McKernan 0-2 (Down); A Nugent (Armagh), K McGeary (Tyrone), C Meyler (Tyrone); P McBride (Antrim), M Fitzpatrick (Antrim), R O'Neill 0-2 (2f) (Tyrone)
Subs: C McCann (Tyrone) for Nugent (20), J Johnston 1-2 (Down) for Fitzpatrick (HT), R Johnston (Down) for McKay (BC, 35), N Toner (Derry) for Byrne (42), D Cavanagh (Tyrone) for O'Neill (52)
I always love seeing where the boys are from!!!!!!!
Anyways, how old is Danny McBride ???????????????????????????????????????????????????
I like seeing where they are from too, actually came onto this thread to see if someone had posted their county as had read the report on hoganstand and it hadn't specified. Quite a number of Tyrone players involved as expected. McBride must be 29 at this stage.
How long has he been at St. Mary's. Must be 5 years at least!
Quote from: Syferus on February 11, 2016, 09:06:57 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 11, 2016, 07:53:28 AM
Quote from: Syferus on February 10, 2016, 11:26:23 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 10, 2016, 10:54:11 PM
How many of the UUJ team have been there since freshers?. Killian Clarke and Argue weren't.. Clarke was in AIT and Argue in DIT.. Paddy McBrearty was in Maynooth. Ryan McHugh was in Sligo It as was Evan Regan
Regan doing a Masters.
It's absolutely insane. UUJ winNing the Sigerson would make a mockery of the competition.
The Sigerson has been a mockery for a long time but that's what makes it interesting. Its purely about which Uni has the best players in any given year and watching a whos who of county players lining out for a team makes the games interesting. Tralee where at it years ago, DIT have been at it - UUJ aren't doing anything that they weren't doing 15 years ago. In my view the Sigerson is a competition that isn't taken too seriously, outside those that are taking part.
Nope. Vast majority of colleges don't field teams of players they nearly entirely poached from other colleges' courses. DCU got some abuse but they never did anything of the level of UUJ. What Jordanstown are doing is precipitating change by being so brazen in their abuse of the system.
Any evidence of this abuse other than the usual "dogs on the street" know.
If they were so brazen then why have they not been punished???
And a point of note;
UCD brought in scholarships to the GAA in 95-96, followed by DCU etc.
So is UCD's Sigerson win in 96 tainted? It must be, they had scholarship students, nobody else had!!!
Students transfer all the time, change of course, college closer to home etc, and if a student wants to go to a college to get a scholarship, then why not. And if UUJ is offering a good scholarship package, and a student want to avail of it, why the negative response. Surely everybody should be asking why their colleges are not stepping up to the plate in regards to scholarships.
This whole UUJ being the bad boys goes the whole way back to the 80's, when they had the audacity to enter the Sigerson. They were met with resistance from the established Sigerson colleges at the time due to the Jordanstown being a Poly and having HNDs etc. and the elite colleges at the time were not happy about it.
The fact that they are being focused on here, while giving other colleges a bye ball is a joke.
And finally, I'll go back to my first point. Any evidence of this abuse other than the usual "dogs on the street" know and if they were so brazen then why have they not been punished???
QuoteTurn it into an u-21 competition.
Problem solved.
Agreed.
They'll have 3 years to play Sigerson - you have to draw the line somewhere. This would prevent colleges trying to recruit well established county players to come and do masters courses at their establishment. I'm not against any mature student going back to college, good luck to them - they just aren't eligible to play sigerson.
ck who are the people not accepted in mainstream gaa what college are they over?
Quote from: oakleafer on February 11, 2016, 12:10:26 PM
QuoteTurn it into an u-21 competition.
Problem solved.
Agreed.
They'll have 3 years to play Sigerson - you have to draw the line somewhere. This would prevent colleges trying to recruit well established county players to come and do masters courses at their establishment. I'm not against any mature student going back to college, good luck to them - they just aren't eligible to play sigerson.
I thought this had already been resolved, i.e Rules have been passed that you have 4 (or 5) years to play at college. So after freshers, each player would have 3-4 years at Sigerson. sligo could caught out on this last year regarding the Student Officer, as new rules limit the available years and prevent student officers.
Quote from: Kickham csc on February 11, 2016, 12:04:34 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 11, 2016, 09:06:57 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 11, 2016, 07:53:28 AM
Quote from: Syferus on February 10, 2016, 11:26:23 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 10, 2016, 10:54:11 PM
How many of the UUJ team have been there since freshers?. Killian Clarke and Argue weren't.. Clarke was in AIT and Argue in DIT.. Paddy McBrearty was in Maynooth. Ryan McHugh was in Sligo It as was Evan Regan
Regan doing a Masters.
It's absolutely insane. UUJ winNing the Sigerson would make a mockery of the competition.
The Sigerson has been a mockery for a long time but that's what makes it interesting. Its purely about which Uni has the best players in any given year and watching a whos who of county players lining out for a team makes the games interesting. Tralee where at it years ago, DIT have been at it - UUJ aren't doing anything that they weren't doing 15 years ago. In my view the Sigerson is a competition that isn't taken too seriously, outside those that are taking part.
Nope. Vast majority of colleges don't field teams of players they nearly entirely poached from other colleges' courses. DCU got some abuse but they never did anything of the level of UUJ. What Jordanstown are doing is precipitating change by being so brazen in their abuse of the system.
Any evidence of this abuse other than the usual "dogs on the street" know.
If they were so brazen then why have they not been punished???
And a point of note;
UCD brought in scholarships to the GAA in 95-96, followed by DCU etc.
So is UCD's Sigerson win in 96 tainted? It must be, they had scholarship students, nobody else had!!!
Students transfer all the time, change of course, college closer to home etc, and if a student wants to go to a college to get a scholarship, then why not. And if UUJ is offering a good scholarship package, and a student want to avail of it, why the negative response. Surely everybody should be asking why their colleges are not stepping up to the plate in regards to scholarships.
This whole UUJ being the bad boys goes the whole way back to the 80's, when they had the audacity to enter the Sigerson. They were met with resistance from the established Sigerson colleges at the time due to the Jordanstown being a Poly and having HNDs etc. and the elite colleges at the time were not happy about it.
The fact that they are being focused on here, while giving other colleges a bye ball is a joke.
And finally, I'll go back to my first point. Any evidence of this abuse other than the usual "dogs on the street" know and if they were so brazen then why have they not been punished???
I wouldn't expect any sort of response, this chap moral principles are skewed by parties involved. He doesn't even have the gumption to stand behind what he says. If you checked him out for a pair of balls, you only find a gaping fanny.
It's not so long ago that he was decrying Roscommon lads not being able to go to university without scholarships and now he's bitching about other universities offering sports scholarships.
Quote from: Kickham csc on February 11, 2016, 12:36:39 PM
Quote from: oakleafer on February 11, 2016, 12:10:26 PM
QuoteTurn it into an u-21 competition.
Problem solved.
Agreed.
They'll have 3 years to play Sigerson - you have to draw the line somewhere. This would prevent colleges trying to recruit well established county players to come and do masters courses at their establishment. I'm not against any mature student going back to college, good luck to them - they just aren't eligible to play sigerson.
I thought this had already been resolved, i.e Rules have been passed that you have 4 (or 5) years to play at college. So after freshers, each player would have 3-4 years at Sigerson. sligo could caught out on this last year regarding the Student Officer, as new rules limit the available years and prevent student officers.
Doesn't solve the problem of lads taking up nonsense courses as mature students for the sole purpose of playing football.
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 11, 2016, 09:42:04 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 11, 2016, 08:27:25 AM
Turn it into an u-21 competition.
Problem solved.
What about the students over 21?
What about them?
Thousands of hurlers and footballers don't actually play with their college you know.
Quote from: Jinxy on February 11, 2016, 12:59:09 PM
Quote from: Kickham csc on February 11, 2016, 12:36:39 PM
Quote from: oakleafer on February 11, 2016, 12:10:26 PM
QuoteTurn it into an u-21 competition.
Problem solved.
Agreed.
They'll have 3 years to play Sigerson - you have to draw the line somewhere. This would prevent colleges trying to recruit well established county players to come and do masters courses at their establishment. I'm not against any mature student going back to college, good luck to them - they just aren't eligible to play sigerson.
I thought this had already been resolved, i.e Rules have been passed that you have 4 (or 5) years to play at college. So after freshers, each player would have 3-4 years at Sigerson. sligo could caught out on this last year regarding the Student Officer, as new rules limit the available years and prevent student officers.
Doesn't solve the problem of lads taking up nonsense courses as mature students for the sole purpose of playing football.
You mean a Masters or a PGCE are nonsense courses?
Quote from: Kickham csc on February 11, 2016, 01:07:30 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 11, 2016, 12:59:09 PM
Quote from: Kickham csc on February 11, 2016, 12:36:39 PM
Quote from: oakleafer on February 11, 2016, 12:10:26 PM
QuoteTurn it into an u-21 competition.
Problem solved.
Agreed.
They'll have 3 years to play Sigerson - you have to draw the line somewhere. This would prevent colleges trying to recruit well established county players to come and do masters courses at their establishment. I'm not against any mature student going back to college, good luck to them - they just aren't eligible to play sigerson.
I thought this had already been resolved, i.e Rules have been passed that you have 4 (or 5) years to play at college. So after freshers, each player would have 3-4 years at Sigerson. sligo could caught out on this last year regarding the Student Officer, as new rules limit the available years and prevent student officers.
Doesn't solve the problem of lads taking up nonsense courses as mature students for the sole purpose of playing football.
You mean a Masters or a PGCE are nonsense courses?
When the main reason they are in that college is because of the moneyhat they were given because they're good at football, yeah. Most of the big players would never choose to go to the UK and squander SUSI money if not for the money on offer.
Quote from: Syferus on February 11, 2016, 01:22:53 PM
Quote from: Kickham csc on February 11, 2016, 01:07:30 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 11, 2016, 12:59:09 PM
Quote from: Kickham csc on February 11, 2016, 12:36:39 PM
Quote from: oakleafer on February 11, 2016, 12:10:26 PM
QuoteTurn it into an u-21 competition.
Problem solved.
Agreed.
They'll have 3 years to play Sigerson - you have to draw the line somewhere. This would prevent colleges trying to recruit well established county players to come and do masters courses at their establishment. I'm not against any mature student going back to college, good luck to them - they just aren't eligible to play sigerson.
I thought this had already been resolved, i.e Rules have been passed that you have 4 (or 5) years to play at college. So after freshers, each player would have 3-4 years at Sigerson. sligo could caught out on this last year regarding the Student Officer, as new rules limit the available years and prevent student officers.
Doesn't solve the problem of lads taking up nonsense courses as mature students for the sole purpose of playing football.
You mean a Masters or a PGCE are nonsense courses?
When the main reason they are in that college is because of the moneyhat they were given because they're good at football, yeah. Most of the big players would never choose to go to the UK and squander SUSI money if not for the money on offer.
FOAD you free state pig.
Plenty of intercounty GAA players from the 26 have gone over to university in England. Colm McFadden being one, Caoimhaoin King of Meath being another and I'm sure there are plenty other.
Now desist from talking out of your little weasel hole.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 11, 2016, 01:33:59 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 11, 2016, 01:22:53 PM
Quote from: Kickham csc on February 11, 2016, 01:07:30 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 11, 2016, 12:59:09 PM
Quote from: Kickham csc on February 11, 2016, 12:36:39 PM
Quote from: oakleafer on February 11, 2016, 12:10:26 PM
QuoteTurn it into an u-21 competition.
Problem solved.
Agreed.
They'll have 3 years to play Sigerson - you have to draw the line somewhere. This would prevent colleges trying to recruit well established county players to come and do masters courses at their establishment. I'm not against any mature student going back to college, good luck to them - they just aren't eligible to play sigerson.
I thought this had already been resolved, i.e Rules have been passed that you have 4 (or 5) years to play at college. So after freshers, each player would have 3-4 years at Sigerson. sligo could caught out on this last year regarding the Student Officer, as new rules limit the available years and prevent student officers.
Doesn't solve the problem of lads taking up nonsense courses as mature students for the sole purpose of playing football.
You mean a Masters or a PGCE are nonsense courses?
When the main reason they are in that college is because of the moneyhat they were given because they're good at football, yeah. Most of the big players would never choose to go to the UK and squander SUSI money if not for the money on offer.
FOAD you free state pig.
Plenty of intercounty GAA players from the 26 have gone over to university in England. Colm McFadden being one, Caoimhaoin King of Meath being another and I'm sure there are plenty other.
Now desist from talking out of your little weasel hole.
McFadden did his undergrad in NUIG and won a Sigerson with them in 2002. The point made was a valid one.
Remove elite player pathways i.e. reduced entry requirements based on football/hurling ability.
Each student should be at University on their academic merits.
The elite pathways are at odds with the cornerstone of the Association which is community and volunteer ethos and an amateur code.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 11, 2016, 01:33:59 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 11, 2016, 01:22:53 PM
Quote from: Kickham csc on February 11, 2016, 01:07:30 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 11, 2016, 12:59:09 PM
Quote from: Kickham csc on February 11, 2016, 12:36:39 PM
Quote from: oakleafer on February 11, 2016, 12:10:26 PM
QuoteTurn it into an u-21 competition.
Problem solved.
Agreed.
They'll have 3 years to play Sigerson - you have to draw the line somewhere. This would prevent colleges trying to recruit well established county players to come and do masters courses at their establishment. I'm not against any mature student going back to college, good luck to them - they just aren't eligible to play sigerson.
I thought this had already been resolved, i.e Rules have been passed that you have 4 (or 5) years to play at college. So after freshers, each player would have 3-4 years at Sigerson. sligo could caught out on this last year regarding the Student Officer, as new rules limit the available years and prevent student officers.
Doesn't solve the problem of lads taking up nonsense courses as mature students for the sole purpose of playing football.
You mean a Masters or a PGCE are nonsense courses?
When the main reason they are in that college is because of the moneyhat they were given because they're good at football, yeah. Most of the big players would never choose to go to the UK and squander SUSI money if not for the money on offer.
FOAD you free state pig.
Plenty of intercounty GAA players from the 26 have gone over to university in England. Colm McFadden being one, Caoimhaoin King of Meath being another and I'm sure there are plenty other.
Now desist from talking out of your little weasel hole.
From the SUSI webpage
Student Grant
The Closing date to submit new applications for the 2015/2016 Academic year is 1st August 2015
For all information on student grants for 2015/16 please go to susi.ie
The student grant is the
main source of financial help available from the Irish State for students in full-time Post Leaving Certificate Courses (PLCs) and full-time higher education undergraduate courses. Support is available to eligible students in most colleges in Ireland as well as eligible Irish students in many colleges in Northern Ireland, the UK and other EU States.
For eligible students, the grant is there to help with the various costs of participating in further or higher education. Students on part-time courses, access or foundation courses (in higher education institutions) and short courses are not eligible to apply for a student grant.
Family and/or personal income is a key factor that will be assessed when you apply for a student grant but there are also some other conditions. Full details on the Student Grant scheme (2015), including associated legislation, are available at susi.ie
So..... southern students might not be giving up or squandering SUSI money as they may well be still qualified to receiving SUSI support while studying in NI, UK and EU.
But obviously all those courses are OK, it's just the pesky UUJ courses ::)
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QuoteTurn it into an u-21 competition.
Problem solved.
Agreed.
They'll have 3 years to play Sigerson - you have to draw the line somewhere. This would prevent colleges trying to recruit well established county players to come and do masters courses at their establishment. I'm not against any mature student going back to college, good luck to them - they just aren't eligible to play sigerson.
I thought this had already been resolved, i.e Rules have been passed that you have 4 (or 5) years to play at college. So after freshers, each player would have 3-4 years at Sigerson. sligo could caught out on this last year regarding the Student Officer, as new rules limit the available years and prevent student officers.
Doesn't solve the problem of lads taking up nonsense courses as mature students for the sole purpose of playing football.
You mean a Masters or a PGCE are nonsense courses?
When the main reason they are in that college is because of the moneyhat they were given because they're good at football, yeah. Most of the big players would never choose to go to the UK and squander SUSI money if not for the money on offer.
FOAD you free state pig.
Plenty of intercounty GAA players from the 26 have gone over to university in England. Colm McFadden being one, Caoimhaoin King of Meath being another and I'm sure there are plenty other.
Now desist from talking out of your little weasel hole.
McFadden did his undergrad in NUIG and won a Sigerson with them in 2002. The point made was a valid one.
How so?
McFadden went to Liverpool to do a postgrad. What is the difference between him doing that and lads from the 26 going to universities in the O6 for the same purpose?
I think The Sigerson is a joke of a competition but there is plenty of hypocrisy flying round here. He was bemoaning the removal of sports scholarships as lads from Roscommon would not be able to attend university in Dublin. Yet he is morally outraged at UUJ attracting players with scholarships. His outright double standards are noticeable as is his spineless refusal to address them.
So what if Universities are attracting counties players?? It makes the Sigerson Cup unique in the football calendar and it would be of no interest at all, to anyone, if it consisted of non county players or U21s. It's up to the universities who they allow onto courses and therefore anyone studying a course should be allowed to play. Its not the Universities job to develop players for county teams or nurture underage talent. A University's football club's objective is to win the Sigerson Cup - let them at I say!
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Quote from: oakleafer on February 11, 2016, 12:10:26 PM
QuoteTurn it into an u-21 competition.
Problem solved.
Agreed.
They'll have 3 years to play Sigerson - you have to draw the line somewhere. This would prevent colleges trying to recruit well established county players to come and do masters courses at their establishment. I'm not against any mature student going back to college, good luck to them - they just aren't eligible to play sigerson.
I thought this had already been resolved, i.e Rules have been passed that you have 4 (or 5) years to play at college. So after freshers, each player would have 3-4 years at Sigerson. sligo could caught out on this last year regarding the Student Officer, as new rules limit the available years and prevent student officers.
Doesn't solve the problem of lads taking up nonsense courses as mature students for the sole purpose of playing football.
You mean a Masters or a PGCE are nonsense courses?
When the main reason they are in that college is because of the moneyhat they were given because they're good at football, yeah. Most of the big players would never choose to go to the UK and squander SUSI money if not for the money on offer.
FOAD you free state pig.
Plenty of intercounty GAA players from the 26 have gone over to university in England. Colm McFadden being one, Caoimhaoin King of Meath being another and I'm sure there are plenty other.
Now desist from talking out of your little weasel hole.
McFadden did his undergrad in NUIG and won a Sigerson with them in 2002. The point made was a valid one.
How so?
McFadden went to Liverpool to do a postgrad. What is the difference between him doing that and lads from the 26 going to universities in the O6 for the same purpose?
I think The Sigerson is a joke of a competition but there is plenty of hypocrisy flying round here. He was bemoaning the removal of sports scholarships as lads from Roscommon would not be able to attend university in Dublin. Yet he is morally outraged at UUJ attracting players with scholarships. His outright double standards are noticeable as is his spineless refusal to address them.
For post grads, fair enough. But he mentioned SUSI grants, so he was quite clearly talking about undergrads. And it's a fair comment, in my opinion, that very few prospective students from the 26 counties are likely to give up their option of cheap education that easily.
The Sigerson has problems for sure. I can't see, albeit from an outside view, how it can be so difficult to outline eligibility and base registration on that. However, it was and always will be a player's competition. I was one of those players once and I loved it. Within two years of leaving college I stopped looking out for that teams results, as my team mates had all finished. That's how it is.
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Quote from: oakleafer on February 11, 2016, 12:10:26 PM
QuoteTurn it into an u-21 competition.
Problem solved.
Agreed.
They'll have 3 years to play Sigerson - you have to draw the line somewhere. This would prevent colleges trying to recruit well established county players to come and do masters courses at their establishment. I'm not against any mature student going back to college, good luck to them - they just aren't eligible to play sigerson.
I thought this had already been resolved, i.e Rules have been passed that you have 4 (or 5) years to play at college. So after freshers, each player would have 3-4 years at Sigerson. sligo could caught out on this last year regarding the Student Officer, as new rules limit the available years and prevent student officers.
Doesn't solve the problem of lads taking up nonsense courses as mature students for the sole purpose of playing football.
You mean a Masters or a PGCE are nonsense courses?
When the main reason they are in that college is because of the moneyhat they were given because they're good at football, yeah. Most of the big players would never choose to go to the UK and squander SUSI money if not for the money on offer.
FOAD you free state pig.
Plenty of intercounty GAA players from the 26 have gone over to university in England. Colm McFadden being one, Caoimhaoin King of Meath being another and I'm sure there are plenty other.
Now desist from talking out of your little weasel hole.
McFadden did his undergrad in NUIG and won a Sigerson with them in 2002. The point made was a valid one.
How so?
McFadden went to Liverpool to do a postgrad. What is the difference between him doing that and lads from the 26 going to universities in the O6 for the same purpose?
I think The Sigerson is a joke of a competition but there is plenty of hypocrisy flying round here. He was bemoaning the removal of sports scholarships as lads from Roscommon would not be able to attend university in Dublin. Yet he is morally outraged at UUJ attracting players with scholarships. His outright double standards are noticeable as is his spineless refusal to address them.
For post grads, fair enough. But he mentioned SUSI grants, so he was quite clearly talking about undergrads. And it's a fair comment, in my opinion, that very few prospective students from the 26 counties are likely to give up their option of cheap education that easily.
The Sigerson has problems for sure. I can't see, albeit from an outside view, how it can be so difficult to outline eligibility and base registration on that. However, it was and always will be a player's competition. I was one of those players once and I loved it. Within two years of leaving college I stopped looking out for that teams results, as my team mates had all finished. That's how it is.
But that's not necessarily true as Creggan pointed out.
You either fundamentally have a problem with universities being able to attract/entice players with scholarships or you don't.
You can't bemoan universities getting players due to scholarships on one hand then defend it on the other as he has done.
I personally feel county players shouldn't be playing university football as a lot of these guys have too much on their plate. I'd also have a moral objection to sports scholarships. These guys get benefits from their standing as GAA players, at the cost of who though? Other students who may have more of a claim to third level education?
But I would apply my own opinion fairly, across the board - evidently this is not the case here as one university is being singled out for a practice that is seemingly commonplace.
UL 0-12 Queens 1-8 a mini shock result there.
UCC 1-9 UCD 3-11.
Semi final line up
UL v UCD
UUJ v DCU or Carlow IT.
Were Queens not missing a fair few due to the eligibility suspensions etc?
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Were Queens not missing a fair few due to the eligibility suspensions etc?
They were all expected to play!
I thought they had got them all back. Queens (IMO) were probably the weakest of the three Belfast teams.
Good win for UL so if that's the case.
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UCC 1-9 UCD 3-11.
Semi final line up
UL v UCD
UUJ v DCU or Carlow IT.
Would UCD be favorites? I see they won the Ryan Cup earlier, so it looks like they'll take some stopping
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UCC 1-9 UCD 3-11.
Semi final line up
UL v UCD
UUJ v DCU or Carlow IT.
Would UCD be favorites? I see they won the Ryan Cup earlier, so it looks like they'll take some stopping
Good man kickham. You're now forcing the favourite tag onto UCD when you know rightly your beloved UUJ are a country mile ahead of the rest when it comes to players. There's usually less big names on Railway cup teams ffs. With them at home it's theirs to loose, much as it pains me to say it.
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I thought they had got them all back. Queens (IMO) were probably the weakest of the three Belfast teams.
Ciaran O'Hanlon did not play for Queens:
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=250336
Kevin Nolan of Dublin also on the UUJ Panel. Missed the last 2 games.
UUJ is just a collection of names. I won't be surprised if they don't win
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UCC 1-9 UCD 3-11.
Semi final line up
UL v UCD
UUJ v DCU or Carlow IT.
Would UCD be favorites? I see they won the Ryan Cup earlier, so it looks like they'll take some stopping
Good man kickham. You're now forcing the favourite tag onto UCD when you know rightly your beloved UUJ are a country mile ahead of the rest when it comes to players. There's usually less big names on Railway cup teams ffs. With them at home it's theirs to loose, much as it pains me to say it.
:)
Actually serious question, I'm living on foreign lands at the minute, so regarding opposition player quality wise, not up to speed with the other colleges.
Just noticed that UCD won the Ryan Cup, so I suppose they are strong this year, UL beat the huns , so they should be strong and DCU are DCU.
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UUJ is just a collection of names. I won't be surprised if they don't win
Wouldn't be the first time that's happened :-[
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UCC 1-9 UCD 3-11.
Semi final line up
UL v UCD
UUJ v DCU or Carlow IT.
Would UCD be favorites? I see they won the Ryan Cup earlier, so it looks like they'll take some stopping
Good man kickham. You're now forcing the favourite tag onto UCD when you know rightly your beloved UUJ are a country mile ahead of the rest when it comes to players. There's usually less big names on Railway cup teams ffs. With them at home it's theirs to loose, much as it pains me to say it.
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Actually serious question, I'm living on foreign lands at the minute, so regarding opposition player quality wise, not up to speed with the other colleges.
Just noticed that UCD won the Ryan Cup, so I suppose they are strong this year, UL beat the huns , so they should be strong and DCU are DCU.
The huns? What a fool
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 11, 2016, 02:12:05 PM
So what if Universities are attracting counties players?? It makes the Sigerson Cup unique in the football calendar and it would be of no interest at all, to anyone, if it consisted of non county players or U21s. It's up to the universities who they allow onto courses and therefore anyone studying a course should be allowed to play. Its not the Universities job to develop players for county teams or nurture underage talent. A University's football club's objective is to win the Sigerson Cup - let them at I say!
It would predominantly be of interest to the players.
Just like it is now.
I couldn't care less who wins the Sigerson Cup.
This isn't America, Irish people don't have a massive connection to the university they went to once they're out of there.
Shag all people go to the games as well.
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Quote from: BennyHarp on February 11, 2016, 02:12:05 PM
So what if Universities are attracting counties players?? It makes the Sigerson Cup unique in the football calendar and it would be of no interest at all, to anyone, if it consisted of non county players or U21s. It's up to the universities who they allow onto courses and therefore anyone studying a course should be allowed to play. Its not the Universities job to develop players for county teams or nurture underage talent. A University's football club's objective is to win the Sigerson Cup - let them at I say!
It would predominantly be of interest to the players.
Just like it is now.
I couldn't care less who wins the Sigerson Cup.
This isn't America, Irish people don't have a massive connection to the university they went to once they're out of there.
Shag all people go to the games as well.
Excluding the best players from the thing that earns them scholarship money - one of the few tangible benefits of a sport now professional in all but pay - is reductive in the extreme.
DCU comfortably ahead in final QF v Carlow Institute of Technology.
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Quote from: BennyHarp on February 11, 2016, 02:12:05 PM
So what if Universities are attracting counties players?? It makes the Sigerson Cup unique in the football calendar and it would be of no interest at all, to anyone, if it consisted of non county players or U21s. It's up to the universities who they allow onto courses and therefore anyone studying a course should be allowed to play. Its not the Universities job to develop players for county teams or nurture underage talent. A University's football club's objective is to win the Sigerson Cup - let them at I say!
It would predominantly be of interest to the players.
Just like it is now.
I couldn't care less who wins the Sigerson Cup.
This isn't America, Irish people don't have a massive connection to the university they went to once they're out of there.
Shag all people go to the games as well.
Fair enough, I agree. So why are we bothered who plays in it then? Though I think if I was around during Sigerson weekend I wouldn't mind going to see a full forward line of McBrearty, Hughes and Regan in action.
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Quote from: BennyHarp on February 11, 2016, 02:12:05 PM
So what if Universities are attracting counties players?? It makes the Sigerson Cup unique in the football calendar and it would be of no interest at all, to anyone, if it consisted of non county players or U21s. It's up to the universities who they allow onto courses and therefore anyone studying a course should be allowed to play. Its not the Universities job to develop players for county teams or nurture underage talent. A University's football club's objective is to win the Sigerson Cup - let them at I say!
It would predominantly be of interest to the players.
Just like it is now.
I couldn't care less who wins the Sigerson Cup.
This isn't America, Irish people don't have a massive connection to the university they went to once they're out of there.
Shag all people go to the games as well.
Excluding the best players from the thing that earns them scholarship money - one of the few tangible benefits of a sport now professional in all but pay - is reductive in the extreme.
So now you're for scolarships. Hard to keep up with your selective applications of your morals, Contradicterus.
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Quote from: Jinxy on February 11, 2016, 07:39:53 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 11, 2016, 02:12:05 PM
So what if Universities are attracting counties players?? It makes the Sigerson Cup unique in the football calendar and it would be of no interest at all, to anyone, if it consisted of non county players or U21s. It's up to the universities who they allow onto courses and therefore anyone studying a course should be allowed to play. Its not the Universities job to develop players for county teams or nurture underage talent. A University's football club's objective is to win the Sigerson Cup - let them at I say!
It would predominantly be of interest to the players.
Just like it is now.
I couldn't care less who wins the Sigerson Cup.
This isn't America, Irish people don't have a massive connection to the university they went to once they're out of there.
Shag all people go to the games as well.
Excluding the best players from the thing that earns them scholarship money - one of the few tangible benefits of a sport now professional in all but pay - is reductive in the extreme.
Outside of lads going into college from their LC to do a primary degree, the scholarship system feeds that 'professional in all but pay' monster.
Lads tipping along doing courses in their mid to late twenties when they should be in a career-building phase.
Instead they are basically dedicating themselves full-time to football, perpetuating the intercounty arms-race.
What happens when they hit their thirties and the music stops and they're left without a chair?
Players are eligible to play Sigerson for 6 years, but it should be 24 which is the age limit to play in the competition.
Colm Begley is going on 30 this year and still playing, He was playing Afl for a few years so started when he was 23/24
Would none of these hoors take a reddener and get a job.
UCD 3-11 UCC 1-9 yesterday in Cork.. https://youtu.be/EwwuYiMkUTU (https://youtu.be/EwwuYiMkUTU)
DCU vs UUJ should be a very interesting spectacle, hard to call.
From a Kildare point of view it will be interesting to see how Kevin Feely does against a very good full forward in Kieran Hughes. It seems a waste playing him fullback considering how classy a footballer he looks.
UCD should make it through in the other one.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on February 12, 2016, 09:32:22 PM
DCU vs UUJ should be a very interesting spectacle, hard to call.
From a Kildare point of view it will be interesting to see how Kevin Feely does against a very good full forward in Kieran Hughes. It seems a waste playing him fullback considering how classy a footballer he looks.
UCD should make it through in the other one.
Is Feely throwing his lot in with Kildare this year or playing bit of soccer also?
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 11, 2016, 04:45:04 PM
Kevin Nolan of Dublin also on the UUJ Panel. Missed the last 2 games.
I thought he was still teaching in Adamstown. Is he up there full time?
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Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on February 12, 2016, 09:32:22 PM
DCU vs UUJ should be a very interesting spectacle, hard to call.
From a Kildare point of view it will be interesting to see how Kevin Feely does against a very good full forward in Kieran Hughes. It seems a waste playing him fullback considering how classy a footballer he looks.
UCD should make it through in the other one.
Is Feely throwing his lot in with Kildare this year or playing bit of soccer also?
He has packed in the soccer.
dunno bout the football but qub hosted the sigerson in my final year. it was the best w/e of craic i have ever had. galway lads lined up outside the union at the end of the night as if for a team photo then proceeded to sing bad bad leroy brown.
least i'm fairly sure.....
What's the schedule for matched this weekend? Semis on Friday, final on Saturday??? Anyone an ides of times etc??
Friday 19th February
1pm Sigerson Semi Final UCD v UL Pitch 4
3pm Sigerson Semi Final UU v DCU Pitch 4
Trench Cup Semi Finals
1pm: Dundalk IT v British University Champions
3pm: Waterford IT v Letterkenny IT
Corn Na Mac Léinn Semi Finals
11am:Royal college of Surgeons v Marino I.E.
11am:UU Magee v North West Regional College
Corn Comhairle Ardoideachais Final
5pm:St Patrick's Thurles v Drogheda IFE
Saturday 20th February
11am:Corn Na Mac Léinn Final
12.30pm: Trench Cup Final
2.30pm: Sigerson Final
Is it just the Sigerson cup final shown live on TG4?
Are all the games played at Jordanstown ?
We look at Liverpool Hope's chances this weekend in Trench Cup
Trench Cup -Semi-Final
Liverpool Hope v Dundalk IT
Friday 1pm, UUJ playing fields
The GAA is never quiet in Lancashire, even when it should be. While there is not much GAA talk presently throughout Britain, the county once again are at the forefront of our games over here. This occasion, Liverpool Hope from Merseyside, have finished top of the pile of British universities and will take part in the Trench Cup this Friday. Although they have yet to taste success in this competition, just like every other British representative that went before them, they are confident they can give a good account of themselves this weekend.
Liverpool Hope easily conquered all before them in Britain two weeks ago, sorry that should read, over the last two weekends. The British representatives for the Trench come from the blitz format which took place in Lancashire two weeks ago, however the blitz instead had to be finished just this weekend past due to any 'unplayable pitch'. This resulted in Liverpool Hope having to make a 450-mile roundtrip on Sunday to Edinburgh, where they gained an easy victory against Dundee. Preparations have not been great regarding this aspect, as joint-manager Michael Higgins testifies to 'Ideally, the British championship would go ahead two weeks prior to the Trench cup. However, it was played on Sunday in Edinburgh, leaving us a fourteen hour trip to play the final and defeat Dundee. A number of our players have picked up niggling injuries while winning in Edinburgh, and as you can see this is why it has frustrated so many as to why the game was postponed so close to an All- Ireland semi-final. Time hasn't been on our side with regard to preparation. Training, buses, boats and accommodation, I'm sure you can imagine has been difficult to organise in such a short space of time. A few of us have had to spin so many plates in the last few days to ensure everything was well organised, not ideal with jobs/university work ongoing at the same time.' There was huge frustration in Liverpool last Sunday morning, not only due to the match being called off, but in the manner it was done. Hope took out their anger on poor Dundee, although they were not the epicentre of the resentment.
Higgins however is a positive coach and he likes to point to the proficiency of his own squad and shaping their own chances of success. 'With regard to training, the lads have taken it to a new level in recent years. I'm very lucky to have a squad of players that are extremely dedicated to the cause and willing to sacrifice anything and everything in order to achieve our set goals which were set back in September. Players have attended a 3-4 sessions per week.' The huge panel of 30 have had to train in various parts of the city from the muck in Wavertree, to the scenic Sefton Park, to the Derry Matthew's Boxing Academy to the astroturf at Hope itself.
These great training sessions, as well as the calibre of player that Liverpool Hope can attract, makes them the team to beat in Britain. They have got to the Trench weekend the last three years and their case was made all the easier as their city rivals John Moores, for one reason or another, did not take part in this year's championship. It probably would not have made much of a difference as Hope were convincing winners against Moores in the league stages in November. Hope had a small scare as they pulled away late in the semi-final two weekends ago. Higgins states 'there is a great atmosphere around the squad at the minute and lads have kept their feet on the ground and aren't getting too far ahead of themselves. The boys can still recall the disappointing defeat in last year's Trench semi-final, and we have used this to our advantage, helping us to remain focused on the task at hand versus Dundalk IT on Friday afternoon.' Last year's experience was humbling, one that the Liverpool men will want to forget. They limped out of the competition with a 3-12 to 0-03 defeat to St.Patrick's Drumcondra.
Dundalk IT are Hope's opponents on Friday (1pm throw in) and will fancy their chances of progressing to the final. While Hope leave on the 10:30 ferry on Wednesday night, it is quite feasible that the Louth men could leave for Belfast on the same day of the game. These arrangements are something the British champions have annually just had to get on with. Dundalk IT will be strong and have one eye on the final, they are managed by Oisin McConville who will certainly not want to be a defeated manager two weeks on the trot at the semi-final stage. O'Higgins again proves positive 'I'm hoping they (Hope) can do themselves justice and represent British Universities GAA well while back on home soil. There is 60 minutes still to be played, so in my mind, of course we have a chance!.'
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Players to watch
Stephen O'Connor
O'Connor is the team's joint-captain and he certainly leads by example. He is the type of player who you would want in every line of your team; however Higgins and David McTeggart (team selector) sees him best serving the team in the full forward line. His fantastic ball-winning skills, bulk and superb scoring skills sees him the ideal target man. If he does not perform, Hope's chances of an upset are halved. He scored 3-05 in the British inal last week and won player of the tournament.
Garvan Jones
The Fermanagh u-21 county player, is the other man in the forward line who needs to light up Belfast, if Hope are to progress. He has an eye for a score, witnessed by his 1-07 last week. Will he be needed in midfield or pushed further forward to help O'Connor? This will be a huge dilemma for the sideline to contend with.
Ciaran O'Brien
The Derry man is the other joint-captain is a tigerish defender who will line out at full-back for the Merseyside outfit. He will no doubt patrol the DKIT dangerman.
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Liverpool Hope Trench Cup Squad
Conleth Mc Geary Edendork Tyrone
Martin O'Hara Gort Na Mona Antrim
Ciaran O'Brien Glack Derry
Callum Mahoney Saul Down
Conor Mc Evoy St Johns Antrim
Kieran McIntyre Glack Derry
Chris Regan Liatroim Down
Matthew Hollywood Bredagh Down
Rory Sharvin Kilclief Down
Conor Boyle John Bosco Down
Garvan Jones Derrygonnelly Fermanagh
Conleth Mc Caughan Ballycastle Antrim
Stevie O'Connor St Endas Antrim
Gearoid Mc Dermott Sean Dolans Derry
Aidan Mc Cartan Bryansford Down
Cathal Meegan Eskra Tyrone
Eoin Coyle Cookstown Tyrone
Davey Blaney Dundrum Down
Peter Herron Fianna Tyrone
Seamus Rafferty Belcoo Fermanagh
Barry McKernan Dungannon Tyrone
Eunan Coleman Carrickmore Tyrone
Piaras Mc Elduff Omagh Tyrone
Karl McCallion Bellaghy Derry
Fiontan Eastwood St Endas Antrim
Cathal Sloan Saul Down
Stephen McMahon Saul Down
Matthew Megoran Wolfetones Armagh
Christopher Nugent Errigal Ciaran Tyrone
Ciaran Mc Grady Saul Down
Ciaran Doolin Wolfe Tones Lancashire
Manager: Michael Higgins (County Down)
Higgins is from Ballymartin in County Down. He played at centre-half back for Liverpool Hope in 2012 when they got to the Trench Cup final, they were defeated by Trinity. He has transferred to John Mitchels in Lancashire and caught the tail-end of their All-Ireland run.
Selectors: Dave McTaggert (Louth)
'Big Dave' has lined out for Hope for a number of years and has transferred to John Mitchels in Lancashire last year. He was an ever-present at full back this year for the Liverpool.
Captain (s):Stevie O'Connor and Ciaran O'Brien
Sponsor: Kellys Dispensary, Pogue Mahone and The Liffey
Only men from the 6 counties in the Liverpool Hope squad!?
Quote from: oakleafer on February 19, 2016, 01:24:56 PM
Only men from the 6 counties in the Liverpool Hope squad!?
College in UK has got too expensive for those living in the Eurozone. And that's before you factor in the opportunity cost of SUSI grants.
UCD hosing UL 3-9 to 0-2 at the moment...coming up to half time.
Quote from: ballinaman on February 19, 2016, 01:34:53 PM
UCD hosing UL 3-9 to 0-2 at the moment...coming up to half time.
UCD 4-12 UL 1-9 the final score the second semi final should be a closer contest.
DKIT beat Hope by 22, Hope only scored 2 points, they'd no Hope you could say! (I'll get the coat!)
A very wasteful UUJ wides and goal chances. DCU lead by three points at the break.
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2016/02/19/news/liveblog-sigerson-cup-semi-finals-ucd-v-ul-and-dcu-v-uu-423346/
2nd Half starting soon.
Any updates? Anyone??
Tight stuff. Seems to be a Monaghan shoot out between Hughes (UU) and Carey (DCU) ...
Quote from: Keyser soze on February 19, 2016, 04:20:30 PM
Any updates? Anyone??
Live blog: http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2016/02/19/news/liveblog-sigerson-cup-semi-finals-ucd-v-ul-and-dcu-v-uu-423346/ (http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2016/02/19/news/liveblog-sigerson-cup-semi-finals-ucd-v-ul-and-dcu-v-uu-423346/)
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on February 19, 2016, 04:21:11 PM
Tight stuff. Seems to be a Monaghan shoot out between Hughes (UU) and Carey (DCU) ...
Or even a Scotstown shootout... ;)
FINAL SCORE: UU 0-13 DCU 1-14 DCU are through to the Sigerson Cup final! UU stayed in touch throughout but DCU's early goal proved insurmountable
uuj be bitterly disappointed with this result after all the hype about the quality squad they have
Quote from: skeog on February 19, 2016, 04:31:56 PM
uuj be bitterly disappointed with this result after all the hype about the quality squad they have
As loaded as their squad is with top players, it's arguably less loaded than both UCDs and DCUs. The hysteria over their defeat to UCC in the final a couple of years ago was hard to understand. The UCC team was full of Cork, Kerry and Tipps best young players. Sometimes when names are familiar people can believe they are better. We are all guilty of it at times.
Quote from: shark on February 19, 2016, 04:48:38 PM
Quote from: skeog on February 19, 2016, 04:31:56 PM
uuj be bitterly disappointed with this result after all the hype about the quality squad they have
As loaded as their squad is with top players, it's arguably less loaded than both UCDs and DCUs. The hysteria over their defeat to UCC in the final a couple of years ago was hard to understand. The UCC team was full of Cork, Kerry and Tipps best young players. Sometimes when names are familiar people can believe they are better. We are all guilty of it at times.
That UCC team had one from tipp anyway, think maybe 4 or 5 kerry, bulk of the team were all from cork to be fair
Quote from: Cunny Funt on February 03, 2016, 11:57:36 AM
DCU and UCD will be more than a match for UUJ both colleges are full of senior county starters.
8)
Weird turn of events when it's DCU that are the saving grace of the Sigerson on here. Thankfully UUJ's purchase agreement on a Sigerson fell through yet again. DCU built a team, UUJ bought one in. That was the difference.
Quote from: tippabu on February 19, 2016, 04:57:11 PM
Quote from: shark on February 19, 2016, 04:48:38 PM
Quote from: skeog on February 19, 2016, 04:31:56 PM
uuj be bitterly disappointed with this result after all the hype about the quality squad they have
As loaded as their squad is with top players, it's arguably less loaded than both UCDs and DCUs. The hysteria over their defeat to UCC in the final a couple of years ago was hard to understand. The UCC team was full of Cork, Kerry and Tipps best young players. Sometimes when names are familiar people can believe they are better. We are all guilty of it at times.
That UCC team had one from tipp anyway, think maybe 4 or 5 kerry, bulk of the team were all from cork to be fair
Quinlivan and Geaney were certainly on it. I guess the point I'm trying to make is if you are from Cork/Kerry you would have thought that team was loaded prior to the competition starting as you knew the players better. I read on here every year that the UUJ team is the strongest on paper, and maybe it is, but I only ever recognise about half the names on the team, as they are mostly Ulster players and I don't pay as close attention. I recognise names from the UCD subs, by comparison.
Final tomorrow should be excellent. McCafferey will be a big loss for UCD if he misses it. Both teams seem to have a lot of scoring power. Hoping DCU do it, as have a clubmate on their team, but think they will have their work cut out.
Quote from: shark on February 19, 2016, 05:14:25 PM
Quote from: tippabu on February 19, 2016, 04:57:11 PM
Quote from: shark on February 19, 2016, 04:48:38 PM
Quote from: skeog on February 19, 2016, 04:31:56 PM
uuj be bitterly disappointed with this result after all the hype about the quality squad they have
As loaded as their squad is with top players, it's arguably less loaded than both UCDs and DCUs. The hysteria over their defeat to UCC in the final a couple of years ago was hard to understand. The UCC team was full of Cork, Kerry and Tipps best young players. Sometimes when names are familiar people can believe they are better. We are all guilty of it at times.
That UCC team had one from tipp anyway, think maybe 4 or 5 kerry, bulk of the team were all from cork to be fair
Quinlivan and Geaney were certainly on it. I guess the point I'm trying to make is if you are from Cork/Kerry you would have thought that team was loaded prior to the competition starting as you knew the players better. I read on here every year that the UUJ team is the strongest on paper, and maybe it is, but I only ever recognise about half the names on the team, as they are mostly Ulster players and I don't pay as close attention. I recognise names from the UCD subs, by comparison.
Final tomorrow should be excellent. McCafferey will be a big loss for UCD if he misses it. Both teams seem to have a lot of scoring power. Hoping DCU do it, as have a clubmate on their team, but think they will have their work cut out.
UUJ managed to 'tempt' both IT Sligo's manager and best player to their campus for this season. The idea that they aren't trying to stock up way beyond the norm is nonsense frankly. Any player who goes from a Republic college to one in NI will lose most if not every bit of the state aid SUSI provides - players have to be getting a significant full ride offer to even put UUJ on their radars in most cases.
http://www.the42.ie/dcu-jordanstown-sigerson-cup-2-2613860-Feb2016/
looks like Richie Donnelly being badly dispossessed for the goal.....
To be fair he was fouled but on the other hand it's good to see such arsing around in a team's own backline get punished like that!
McKinless only a sub for Jordanstown?
He looked like a serious up and coming talent at full back for Derry a couple of years back.
Free out all day long.paudie Hughes Reffing the game.not the first time the man is out of his depth at times
all the time redzone
Take your red specs off for a minute Redzone. Firstly Ritchie didn't offload to a man off his shoulder, then he fouled the ball by taking about ten steps, then he criminally tried to carry a ball through the tackle - risking being dispossessed in a very dangerous area with his defence out of place.
No point blaming the ref for that.
After that UUJ put six into the goalkeepers arms and seven wides in one half of football. That wasn't the refs fault. It was either greed or poor decision making. Same as last year I'm afraid. Too many egos trying to look like the star man, and not enough proper team play.
Watch it again mate. At no stage did he foul the ball. The rest of your post is spot on
Watch the reaction of his team mates after the goal went in. It wasn't the ref they were frustrated with.
You Redzone should know that you shouldn't carry a ball into a tackle. Why take the risk. And count those steps again. Ritchie is a great player, but this wasn't his finest moment. Not blaming him for the loss. The wides tally is what beat them.
McNamee was expecting the offload there.
Don't think that was a foul just poor play by Richie Donnelly. UUJ were wasteful in the first half and that cost them the game.
Hope our lads come through this sh1te injury free and be available to play for their real teams - Club and County.
Richie Donnelly is a good player but that was criminal
Quote from: bannside on February 19, 2016, 07:36:41 PM
Take your red specs off for a minute Redzone. Firstly Ritchie didn't offload to a man off his shoulder, then he fouled the ball by taking about ten steps, then he criminally tried to carry a ball through the tackle - risking being dispossessed in a very dangerous area with his defence out of place.
No point blaming the ref for that.
After that UUJ put six into the goalkeepers arms and seven wides in one half of football. That wasn't the refs fault. It was either greed or poor decision making. Same as last year I'm afraid. Too many egos trying to look like the star man, and not enough proper team play.
I think it was a case of Richie trying to do a Mattie and not being fit to, that said Mattie needs to quet doing a Mattie too half the time and play quicker and smarter, they kind of think that because they are conditioned to the hilt and good players they can make bad decisions into good ones, Mattie is on the cusp of being in the top bracket nationally and Richie is in a very promising vein of form but they need to realise team-mates are there for a reason, it's a team game and you can't do it all yourself
How did Feely do for DCU? Hughes scored 4 points from play which doesn't look great from his point of view but was he even directly marking him?
Quote from: tiempo on February 19, 2016, 10:42:34 PM
Quote from: bannside on February 19, 2016, 07:36:41 PM
Take your red specs off for a minute Redzone. Firstly Ritchie didn't offload to a man off his shoulder, then he fouled the ball by taking about ten steps, then he criminally tried to carry a ball through the tackle - risking being dispossessed in a very dangerous area with his defence out of place.
No point blaming the ref for that.
After that UUJ put six into the goalkeepers arms and seven wides in one half of football. That wasn't the refs fault. It was either greed or poor decision making. Same as last year I'm afraid. Too many egos trying to look like the star man, and not enough proper team play.
I think it was a case of Richie trying to do a Mattie and not being fit to, that said Mattie needs to quet doing a Mattie too half the time and play quicker and smarter, they kind of think that because they are conditioned to the hilt and good players they can make bad decisions into good ones, Mattie is on the cusp of being in the top bracket nationally and Richie is in a very promising vein of form but they need to realise team-mates are there for a reason, it's a team game and you can't do it all yourself
I agree with you 100% on Mattie Donnelly. There is no doubt he is a good footballer, I'm not questioning that but he infuriates me at times during games. He slows the play down too often, carries the ball into tackles when a pass is the easier option and struts about with his chest out. With the defensive nature of football nowadays slowing the play up allows teams to pack their defence!!
Enda burst open UCD there to set up the goal for O'Brien. Great time for it too.
Hopefully Ultan is ok.
Quote from: Syferus on February 20, 2016, 03:02:37 PM
Enda burst open UCD there to set up the goal for O'Brien. Great time for it too.
Hopefully Ultan is ok.
Nicely set up for second half. Conditions are crap. Don't think DCU had as much up front as UCD, but with Mannion and Kelly gone now it has evened up. DCU stronger around the middle. O'Brien is a beast.
Quote from: shark on February 20, 2016, 03:15:16 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 20, 2016, 03:02:37 PM
Enda burst open UCD there to set up the goal for O'Brien. Great time for it too.
Hopefully Ultan is ok.
Nicely set up for second half. Conditions are crap. Don't think DCU had as much up front as UCD, but with Mannion and Kelly gone now it has evened up. DCU stronger around the middle. O'Brien is a beast.
DCU lost their starting FF Ultan Harney before the start of the match. Read the Indo yesterday amazed at their assumption it was UCD's Sigerson, of all teams', to lose. They did very well beating the professionals at their home yesterday but there's feck all between the forwards for DCU and UCD. Smith, Harney, O'Connor and Carey are as good as any UCD has.
Quote from: Syferus on February 20, 2016, 03:22:09 PM
Quote from: shark on February 20, 2016, 03:15:16 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 20, 2016, 03:02:37 PM
Enda burst open UCD there to set up the goal for O'Brien. Great time for it too.
Hopefully Ultan is ok.
Nicely set up for second half. Conditions are crap. Don't think DCU had as much up front as UCD, but with Mannion and Kelly gone now it has evened up. DCU stronger around the middle. O'Brien is a beast.
DCU lost their starting FF Ultan Harney before the start of the match. Read the Indo yesterday amazed at their assumption it was UCD's Sigerson, of all teams', to lose. They did very well beating the professionals at their home yesterday but there's feck all between the forwards for DCU and UCD. Smith, Harney, O'Connor and Carey are as good as any UCD has.
Yeah Harney looked very upset when then camera was on him. Heslin free taking proving the difference now. Gone even more scrappy.
No dobut it will be sweep sweep on the timewasting and cynicism here.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 20, 2016, 03:57:31 PM
No dobut it will be sweep sweep on the timewasting and cynicism here.
UCD kicked another 3/4 wides after kicking their 2 late points. They kept going. Only one being cynical is you.
Best team won. It was a poor spectacle, but the conditions were never going to allow anything else.
Best team won in what was one of the worst ever Sigerson cup finals. The nonsense of playing young players twice in two days has to stop.
Riveting stuff.
Another Ros player wrecked by over use/abuse due to this college sh1te.
It should be a bit of craic played over Oct/Nov and have their Leagueswithout Co panellists in Spring.
Of course that would mean amateurism and seems we ccan't be having that. >:(
Heslin was the difference from frees and play. The quality of the tackling was the stand out element of a game in very difficult conditions.
As an aside in this thread, does noone see irony of supporters of a self professed amateur game proclaiming ownership of players for their county / club and attempting to dictate what games they should be allowed to play in?
DCU aren't the first group of lads to come away from Jordanstown with just 2.2 to their name.
Quote from: shark on February 20, 2016, 04:03:22 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 20, 2016, 03:57:31 PM
No dobut it will be sweep sweep on the timewasting and cynicism here.
UCD kicked another 3/4 wides after kicking their 2 late points. They kept going. Only one being cynical is you.
Best team won. It was a poor spectacle, but the conditions were never going to allow anything else.
Sweep, sweep.
What a complete fist the ball fest, without doubt a ruby league/Union type of hybrid
Quote from: Syferus on February 19, 2016, 05:10:54 PM
Weird turn of events when it's DCU that are the saving grace of the Sigerson on here. Thankfully UUJ's purchase agreement on a Sigerson fell through yet again. DCU built a team, UUJ bought one in. That was the difference.
+1
And of course we remember each year at this time that Dr George Sigerson was a proud Tyrone man from Strabane.
Quote from: Whitehair on February 20, 2016, 05:10:10 PM
DCU aren't the first group of lads to come away from Jordanstown with just 2.2 to their name.
Hat-tip ;D
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 20, 2016, 03:57:31 PM
No dobut it will be sweep sweep on the timewasting and cynicism here.
The sheer irony of a Tyrone fan complaining about this!
If you have no interest in this competition (which you clearly don't) then don't watch it and don't bore us with your snide comments.
Quote from: Whitehair on February 20, 2016, 05:10:10 PM
DCU aren't the first group of lads to come away from Jordanstown with just 2.2 to their name.
Exquisite!
A former secondary school teacher of mine whose son played some ball likened Sigerson football to basketball
And that was 20 years ago
Well done UCD. Keep up the good work. Now do it again next year.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on February 20, 2016, 10:52:22 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 20, 2016, 03:57:31 PM
No dobut it will be sweep sweep on the timewasting and cynicism here.
The sheer irony of a Tyrone fan complaining about this!
If you have no interest in this competition (which you clearly don't) then don't watch it and don't bore us with your snide comments.
The irony ain't on this side of the table.
The irony is on the people who want to sweep away the suggestion or notion of cynicism when there isn't really a tangible Ulster presence they can blame it on.
As an aside, Kerry are probably an even more cynical side than Tyrone if the last two seasons are anything to go by.
Anyone who suggests that cynicism is exclusive to Ulster teams simply knows very little about football. Yesterday's Sigerson final was a poor spectacle, in poor conditions, on a poor pitch and the only winner (apart from UCD) was cynicism. It's rife in the game at all levels, particularly at the elite end.
The fact that Tyrone are synominous with cynicism is not Tyrone paranoia. Their minor, u21 and senior sides last year were all involved in controversy. Coincidence or are they the countries best exponents?
To the best of my knowledge there were no Tyrone players or coaches (or Ulster) involved in yesterday's Sigerson final. Didn't stop both teams executing their cynical plans to the letter of the law.
Quote from: ck on February 21, 2016, 09:15:19 AM
Anyone who suggests that cynicism is exclusive to Ulster teams simply knows very little about football. Yesterday's Sigerson final was a poor spectacle, in poor conditions, on a poor pitch and the only winner (apart from UCD) was cynicism. It's rife in the game at all levels, particularly at the elite end.
The fact that Tyrone are synominous with cynicism is not Tyrone paranoia. Their minor, u21 and senior sides last year were all involved in controversy. Coincidence or are they the countries best exponents?
To the best of my knowledge there were no Tyrone players or coaches (or Ulster) involved in yesterday's Sigerson final. Didn't stop both teams executing their cynical plans to the letter of the law.
I think there was a couple of Ulster players involved. I know for DCU Simon McCoy ( Armagh Harps) - unused sub - and Conor McNally (Derrynoose) - used sub- were there. For the record both would be very positive players more interested in scoring than cynicism and this is the way both their clubs try to coach their players.
There were 2 Scotstown players playing one each side, Shane Carey on DCU and Conor McCarthy for UCD. I was down for the Trench Cup match but had to head on. It was a very good game with some fine scores. The one thing I would say about the standard in the final is that the conditions were terrible and I would have great sympathy for the 2 teams. There was a very strong swirling wind that made kick passing nearly impossible. The itch was in very poor order as was the one the Trench final was on. A few times in the Trench game players bounced the ball and it barely came back up to them. Finally the players were busted. It is unfair on lads to ask them to play 2 games in 2 days, particularly in these types of conditions. A recipe for a serious injury on the slippy ground n my opinion.
I normally detest the hand passing game but in fairness there were a few occasions where UCD used it to great effect, normally with McCaffrey driving from deep and creating the overlapping run. When it is done like that in a forward motion and good timing of runs and pass, it can be devastating. Let's face it for the lads playing it's all about winning and they need to do what is necessary and I would cut them some slack.
lads was benny hurl sighted over the weekend and more importantly was his notebook out.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 21, 2016, 11:21:03 AM
There were 2 Scotstown players playing one each side, Shane Carey on DCU and Conor McCarthy for UCD. I was down for the Trench Cup match but had to head on. It was a very good game with some fine scores. The one thing I would say about the standard in the final is that the conditions were terrible and I would have great sympathy for the 2 teams. There was a very strong swirling wind that made kick passing nearly impossible. The itch was in very poor order as was the one the Trench final was on. A few times in the Trench game players bounced the ball and it barely came back up to them. Finally the players were busted. It is unfair on lads to ask them to play 2 games in 2 days, particularly in these types of conditions. A recipe for a serious injury on the slippy ground n my opinion.
I normally detest the hand passing game but in fairness there were a few occasions where UCD used it to great effect, normally with McCaffrey driving from deep and creating the overlapping run. When it is done like that in a forward motion and good timing of runs and pass, it can be devastating. Let's face it for the lads playing it's all about winning and they need to do what is necessary and I would cut them some slack.
Horses for courses. Nothing wrong with direct, fast, supported ball movement through the hand. The problem is when it becomes slow, lateral, and aimless. You want players that are comfortable doing both, and clever enough to know when either is the right option.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 21, 2016, 11:21:03 AM
There were 2 Scotstown players playing one each side, Shane Carey on DCU and Conor McCarthy for UCD. I was down for the Trench Cup match but had to head on. It was a very good game with some fine scores. The one thing I would say about the standard in the final is that the conditions were terrible and I would have great sympathy for the 2 teams. There was a very strong swirling wind that made kick passing nearly impossible. The itch was in very poor order as was the one the Trench final was on. A few times in the Trench game players bounced the ball and it barely came back up to them. Finally the players were busted. It is unfair on lads to ask them to play 2 games in 2 days, particularly in these types of conditions. A recipe for a serious injury on the slippy ground n my opinion.
I normally detest the hand passing game but in fairness there were a few occasions where UCD used it to great effect, normally with McCaffrey driving from deep and creating the overlapping run. When it is done like that in a forward motion and good timing of runs and pass, it can be devastating. Let's face it for the lads playing it's all about winning and they need to do what is necessary and I would cut them some slack.
A Ballybay player on each side too, Ryan Wylie and Dessie Ward. Think there was a few between Donegal and Cavan aswell.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 21, 2016, 08:25:55 AM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on February 20, 2016, 10:52:22 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 20, 2016, 03:57:31 PM
No dobut it will be sweep sweep on the timewasting and cynicism here.
The sheer irony of a Tyrone fan complaining about this!
If you have no interest in this competition (which you clearly don't) then don't watch it and don't bore us with your snide comments.
The irony ain't on this side of the table.
The irony is on the people who want to sweep away the suggestion or notion of cynicism when there isn't really a tangible Ulster presence they can blame it on.
As an aside, Kerry are probably an even more cynical side than Tyrone if the last two seasons are anything to go by.
Do you even realise how much of a knobend you sound on here I wonder? You've made a lot of posts on this thread and the almost ALL of them have been a mix of nonsensical sweeping statements (Sigerson is a joke etc..) along with snipes at scholarships and other technicalities you have little or no knowledge of. Very little about, you know, the actual football..which is telling.
As an aside..I was trying to think of an example from the last 2 years of a Kerry player throwing himself down after getting his head patted, but I can't for the life of me think of one. ;)
Mightn't have been in the last two years but Aidan o'mahony didn't exactly cover himself in glory when he threw himself to the ground after getting a face tap off a cork man.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on February 22, 2016, 04:49:23 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 21, 2016, 08:25:55 AM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on February 20, 2016, 10:52:22 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 20, 2016, 03:57:31 PM
No dobut it will be sweep sweep on the timewasting and cynicism here.
The sheer irony of a Tyrone fan complaining about this!
If you have no interest in this competition (which you clearly don't) then don't watch it and don't bore us with your snide comments.
The irony ain't on this side of the table.
The irony is on the people who want to sweep away the suggestion or notion of cynicism when there isn't really a tangible Ulster presence they can blame it on.
As an aside, Kerry are probably an even more cynical side than Tyrone if the last two seasons are anything to go by.
Do you even realise how much of a knobend you sound on here I wonder? You've made a lot of posts on this thread and the almost ALL of them have been a mix of nonsensical sweeping statements (Sigerson is a joke etc..) along with snipes at scholarships and other technicalities you have little or no knowledge of. Very little about, you know, the actual football..which is telling.
As an aside..I was trying to think of an example from the last 2 years of a Kerry player throwing himself down after getting his head patted, but I can't for the life of me think of one. ;)
Jesus I actually agree with you.
Quote from: east down gael on February 22, 2016, 05:02:13 PM
Mightn't have been in the last two years but Aidan o'mahony didn't exactly cover himself in glory when he threw himself to the ground after getting a face tap off a cork man.
Last 2 years is what we're talking about. That dive from O'Mahony was terrible of course though. He learned his lesson and didn't do it again. If McCann does the same he'll be fine.
Quote from: Syferus on February 22, 2016, 05:10:26 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on February 22, 2016, 04:49:23 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 21, 2016, 08:25:55 AM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on February 20, 2016, 10:52:22 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 20, 2016, 03:57:31 PM
No dobut it will be sweep sweep on the timewasting and cynicism here.
The sheer irony of a Tyrone fan complaining about this!
If you have no interest in this competition (which you clearly don't) then don't watch it and don't bore us with your snide comments.
The irony ain't on this side of the table.
The irony is on the people who want to sweep away the suggestion or notion of cynicism when there isn't really a tangible Ulster presence they can blame it on.
As an aside, Kerry are probably an even more cynical side than Tyrone if the last two seasons are anything to go by.
Do you even realise how much of a knobend you sound on here I wonder? You've made a lot of posts on this thread and the almost ALL of them have been a mix of nonsensical sweeping statements (Sigerson is a joke etc..) along with snipes at scholarships and other technicalities you have little or no knowledge of. Very little about, you know, the actual football..which is telling.
As an aside..I was trying to think of an example from the last 2 years of a Kerry player throwing himself down after getting his head patted, but I can't for the life of me think of one. ;)
Jesus I actually agree with you.
I feel dirty. ;D
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on February 22, 2016, 05:58:30 PM
Quote from: east down gael on February 22, 2016, 05:02:13 PM
Mightn't have been in the last two years but Aidan o'mahony didn't exactly cover himself in glory when he threw himself to the ground after getting a face tap off a cork man.
Last 2 years is what we're talking about. That dive from O'Mahony was terrible of course though. He learned his lesson and didn't do it again. If McCann does the same he'll be fine.
You walked into that one, to be fair 😀