gaaboard.com

Quote from: Shrewdness on June 17, 2015, 10:42:07 AM
In one of today's papers, ex Mayo footballer David Brady, states that in his opinion, Cillian O'Connor is the greatest player he has seen playing for Mayo.. So, how does everyone feel about that in Mayo particularly. Imo, it's Ciaran Mc Donald.

Quote from: westbound on June 17, 2015, 10:59:42 AM
Is Cillian O'Connor even the best player on the current Mayo panel? Keith Higgins? Aidan O'Shea?

Personally, I think Higgins is the best player on that panel.

And I'm not saying O'Connor is not a good player. Of course he is.

In 10 years time O'Connor may be the greatest Mayo player ever, but lets give him a few years first?

Quote from: highorlow on June 17, 2015, 12:29:51 PM
David Brady is the greatest bullshit artist to come out of Mayo.

Quote from: highorlow on June 17, 2015, 12:29:51 PM
David Brady is the greatest bullshit artist to come out of Mayo.

Quote from: joemamas on June 17, 2015, 01:48:02 PM

Quote from: highorlow on June 17, 2015, 12:29:51 PM
David Brady is the greatest bullshit artist to come out of Mayo.

+1

what a tool.

Quote from: nrico2006 on June 17, 2015, 11:00:29 AM
He will never be anywhere near as good as McDonald.

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 02:09:25 PM
I don't think he's even close. He's young yet so he has plenty of time to develop but I think his all round game is lacking, he's a very reliable free taker but he needs to bring a lot more to his game than that to be one of the top full forwards in the game. He'd definitely be behind the likes of Brogan, McManus, McBrearty, O'Donoghue and O'Neill for me right now and there might be a few more along with that. O'Shea and Higgins are more important on the Mayo team at the moment, for starters.

Quote from: Keyser soze on June 17, 2015, 02:18:22 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 02:09:25 PM
I don't think he's even close. He's young yet so he has plenty of time to develop but I think his all round game is lacking, he's a very reliable free taker but he needs to bring a lot more to his game than that to be one of the top full forwards in the game. He'd definitely be behind the likes of Brogan, McManus, McBrearty, O'Donoghue and O'Neill for me right now and there might be a few more along with that. O'Shea and Higgins are more important on the Mayo team at the moment, for starters.

When did they all transfer to Mayo?? Right that's it Im joining the MFS campaign right now, unbeatable with that forward line!!

Sorry Rossies.

Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 17, 2015, 03:53:49 PM
Gooch, O'Donoghue, Kelly, Murphy, Clarke, McNamee, Brogan, Lynch, Connolly, McBrearty, Flynn, Kingston, McManus are all ahead of him for a start. He might scrape into the top 20 maybe.

Quote from: nrico2006 on June 17, 2015, 04:01:28 PM

Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 17, 2015, 03:53:49 PM
Gooch, O'Donoghue, Kelly, Murphy, Clarke, McNamee, Brogan, Lynch, Connolly, McBrearty, Flynn, Kingston, McManus are all ahead of him for a start. He might scrape into the top 20 maybe.

Stick in Bradley, Donaghy, Cavanagh, O'Neill, McBrearty too.

Quote from: Shrewdness on June 17, 2015, 02:52:27 PM
In the opinion of the Mayo lads here, how does Cillian O' Connor compare at 23 years old, to Conor Mortimer when he was 23??...There was a lot more to Mortimer's game than just freetaking.

Quote from: Mac2 on June 17, 2015, 04:37:40 PM

Quote from: Shrewdness on June 17, 2015, 02:52:27 PM
In the opinion of the Mayo lads here, how does Cillian O' Connor compare at 23 years old, to Conor Mortimer when he was 23??...There was a lot more to Mortimer's game than just freetaking.

I'd say O'Connor's a better speller.

Quote from: Syferus on June 17, 2015, 04:58:46 PM

Quote from: Mac2 on June 17, 2015, 04:37:40 PM

Quote from: Shrewdness on June 17, 2015, 02:52:27 PM
In the opinion of the Mayo lads here, how does Cillian O' Connor compare at 23 years old, to Conor Mortimer when he was 23??...There was a lot more to Mortimer's game than just freetaking.

I'd say O'Connor's a better speller.

COC's Being just a free-taker is a misnomer and based on his first year or two at senior. From 2013 onwards his ability to score from play and pass have been as important as his free-taking. Offers a lot more to a team than Mortimer did.

Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 17, 2015, 05:36:05 PM
I've only got the top scorers list from last year in my search. O'Connor was way out in front with 51 scores to O'Donoghues 36 but when you take away the frees O'Connor only scored 15 from play which puts him well down the list in 10th. He got a score from play once every 30 minutes on average. He played New York as well last year.

Edit: Out of the 40 he got in 2013, 18 were from play. It's a better number but it has to be remembered that Mayo played London in the Connaght final of that year.

Edit: In 2012, of the 28 scores O'Connor got, only 2 points were from play.

So in conclusion, O'Connor has definitely improved from being just a free taker but he's an average enough scorer from play considering the runs Mayo have gone on and some of the teams they've played.

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 08:17:24 PM
Failed to score from play in 2 All Ireland finals.

Quote from: muppet on June 17, 2015, 08:21:03 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 08:17:24 PM
Failed to score from play in 2 All Ireland finals.

What is the fascination with bashing O'Connor?

A crocked 21 year old (2 dislocated shoulders that summer) fails to score in a game and you are posting on the internet slaughtering him.

Good man yourself, you must have been some player.

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 08:31:31 PM

Quote from: muppet on June 17, 2015, 08:21:03 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 08:17:24 PM
Failed to score from play in 2 All Ireland finals.

What is the fascination with bashing O'Connor?

A crocked 21 year old (2 dislocated shoulders that summer) fails to score in a game and you are posting on the internet slaughtering him.

Good man yourself, you must have been some player.

Who is bashing him? When Brady comes out with nonsense like the above then he is setting O'Connor up for a fall. I don't think O'Connor is as good as made out in some quarters.

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 09:21:26 PM
James O'Donohoe played very deep in one All Ireland final. O'Connor was deployed as an out and out full forward in two. They are not really comparable.

I think you are taking things too much to heart if you are deeming what I'm saying about O'Connor as bashing. I feel he is overrated and I feel that he has a lot to prove yet, he has plenty of time on his hands to do so.

Quote from: AZOffaly on June 17, 2015, 09:36:45 PM
Cillian O'Connor never claimed any such title. It's a bit harsh to be rubbishing him because of a claim someone else made.

There should have been one reponse to this thread, "No, not yet at least" and leave it at that.

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 09:45:12 PM

Quote from: AZOffaly on June 17, 2015, 09:36:45 PM
Cillian O'Connor never claimed any such title. It's a bit harsh to be rubbishing him because of a claim someone else made.

There should have been one reponse to this thread, "No, not yet at least" and leave it at that.

Who has rubbished him here?

Has anyone said he is useless? Some people have voiced an opinion that they feel he is not as good as is made out, of course that's not O'Connor's fault but should that stop people from saying that they feel he is a bit overrated?

I don't think he contributes enough from open play, I don't think defenders or managers would worry about him as much from open play as some of the other top forwards in the game. I'll pay credit to his free taking ability and his nerve and consistency with it but to be ranked as one of the best forward in the game then I feel he needs to show more. That is not bashing him, he is young and can improve.

Quote from: Shrewdness on June 17, 2015, 09:34:27 PM
I was the one who started this thread, so i just want to clarify something. This thread was NOT started to criticise Cillian O'Connor in any way. I was very surprised that David Brady would claim that such a young player was ''MAYO'S GREATEST EVER''.. That's why this thread has that title Rossfan, which you claimed was a daft title. I was interested to see what the Mayo posters thought of Brady's claim...As for the player himself, i believe O'Connor is an outstanding talent. I wish we had him in Roscommon. A top class free taker, a frequent goal scorer, and a lad who shows maturity beyond his years on the pitch. It's not his fault that David Brady put him in the spotlight.

Quote from: AZOffaly on June 17, 2015, 09:47:36 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 09:45:12 PM

Quote from: AZOffaly on June 17, 2015, 09:36:45 PM
Cillian O'Connor never claimed any such title. It's a bit harsh to be rubbishing him because of a claim someone else made.

There should have been one reponse to this thread, "No, not yet at least" and leave it at that.

Who has rubbished him here?

Has anyone said he is useless? Some people have voiced an opinion that they feel he is not as good as is made out, of course that's not O'Connor's fault but should that stop people from saying that they feel he is a bit overrated?

I don't think he contributes enough from open play, I don't think defenders or managers would worry about him as much from open play as some of the other top forwards in the game. I'll pay credit to his free taking ability and his nerve and consistency with it but to be ranked as one of the best forward in the game then I feel he needs to show more. That is not bashing him, he is young and can improve.

Read back a few of the other comments.

Quote from: Shrewdness on June 17, 2015, 10:09:05 PM
Iolarcoiscuain, i'm not trying to back out of anything. As for your comments about O'Connor and Roscommon, stop talking bullshit.

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 09:21:26 PM
James O'Donohoe played very deep in one All Ireland final. O'Connor was deployed as an out and out full forward in two. They are not really comparable.

I think you are taking things too much to heart if you are deeming what I'm saying about O'Connor as bashing. I feel he is overrated and I feel that he has a lot to prove yet, he has plenty of time on his hands to do so.

Quote from: sans pessimism on June 17, 2015, 10:46:05 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 09:21:26 PM
James O'Donohoe played very deep in one All Ireland final. O'Connor was deployed as an out and out full forward in two. They are not really comparable.

I think you are taking things too much to heart if you are deeming what I'm saying about O'Connor as bashing. I feel he is overrated and I feel that he has a lot to prove yet, he has plenty of time on his hands to do so.

put down that shovel and step away from the hole

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 10:54:36 PM

Quote from: sans pessimism on June 17, 2015, 10:46:05 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 09:21:26 PM
James O'Donohoe played very deep in one All Ireland final. O'Connor was deployed as an out and out full forward in two. They are not really comparable.

I think you are taking things too much to heart if you are deeming what I'm saying about O'Connor as bashing. I feel he is overrated and I feel that he has a lot to prove yet, he has plenty of time on his hands to do so.

put down that shovel and step away from the hole

You've managed to get things arseways here as the only one digging the holes for themselves are those who are imagining  O'Connor being bashed, God help us if someone called him rubbish in this thread! Valid points have been raised as to his all round game in line with his reputation. That is not bashing.

QuoteFailed to score from play in 2 All Ireland finals.

QuoteI don't think O'Connor is as good as made out in some quarters.

QuoteDo you think he is Mayo's greatest every player?

QuoteDo you think he is one of the top 10 forwards in the game right now?

QuoteI don't think he contributes enough from open play, I don't think defenders or managers would worry about him as much from open play as some of the other top forwards in the game.

Quote from: muppet on June 17, 2015, 11:09:56 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 10:54:36 PM

Quote from: sans pessimism on June 17, 2015, 10:46:05 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 09:21:26 PM
James O'Donohoe played very deep in one All Ireland final. O'Connor was deployed as an out and out full forward in two. They are not really comparable.

I think you are taking things too much to heart if you are deeming what I'm saying about O'Connor as bashing. I feel he is overrated and I feel that he has a lot to prove yet, he has plenty of time on his hands to do so.

put down that shovel and step away from the hole

You've managed to get things arseways here as the only one digging the holes for themselves are those who are imagining  O'Connor being bashed, God help us if someone called him rubbish in this thread! Valid points have been raised as to his all round game in line with his reputation. That is not bashing.

You are the one running him down.

QuoteFailed to score from play in 2 All Ireland finals.

QuoteI don't think O'Connor is as good as made out in some quarters.

QuoteDo you think he is Mayo's greatest every player?

QuoteDo you think he is one of the top 10 forwards in the game right now?

QuoteI don't think he contributes enough from open play, I don't think defenders or managers would worry about him as much from open play as some of the other top forwards in the game.

Mayo fans know exactly how good he is from play. If we could spare him inside, he is by far and away our best passer and he would start every game at 11. He is a fantastic tackler, ask Neil Magee. Has has an unbelievable attitude, which explains his quick returns from bad injury, and scored 6 goals, including 2 hatricks the year he only played 89 minutes.

Incidentally none of his hatricks were from frees.

He won YPOTY twice, top scored in the Championship twice and is a current All-Star.

But in Sligo that would be sh*te.

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 11:30:18 PM

Quote from: muppet on June 17, 2015, 11:09:56 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 10:54:36 PM

Quote from: sans pessimism on June 17, 2015, 10:46:05 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 09:21:26 PM
James O'Donohoe played very deep in one All Ireland final. O'Connor was deployed as an out and out full forward in two. They are not really comparable.

I think you are taking things too much to heart if you are deeming what I'm saying about O'Connor as bashing. I feel he is overrated and I feel that he has a lot to prove yet, he has plenty of time on his hands to do so.

put down that shovel and step away from the hole

You've managed to get things arseways here as the only one digging the holes for themselves are those who are imagining  O'Connor being bashed, God help us if someone called him rubbish in this thread! Valid points have been raised as to his all round game in line with his reputation. That is not bashing.

You are the one running him down.

QuoteFailed to score from play in 2 All Ireland finals.

QuoteI don't think O'Connor is as good as made out in some quarters.

QuoteDo you think he is Mayo's greatest every player?

QuoteDo you think he is one of the top 10 forwards in the game right now?

QuoteI don't think he contributes enough from open play, I don't think defenders or managers would worry about him as much from open play as some of the other top forwards in the game.

Mayo fans know exactly how good he is from play. If we could spare him inside, he is by far and away our best passer and he would start every game at 11. He is a fantastic tackler, ask Neil Magee. Has has an unbelievable attitude, which explains his quick returns from bad injury, and scored 6 goals, including 2 hatricks the year he only played 89 minutes.

Incidentally none of his hatricks were from frees.

He won YPOTY twice, top scored in the Championship twice and is a current All-Star.

But in Sligo that would be sh*te.

I fail to see how I am running him down. I haven't said he is a bad player or useless. I said I think he has been overrated. I don't have the stats at hand but I don't think his scoring record from play is too hot for a player of his reputation, there was a post a few pages back that seemed to back that up. I don't think he is particularly quick or a particularly good ball winner or able to get scores out of nothing from play. Having an opinion on O'Connor not being a good a player as some allude to is not bashing him. I don't think O'Connor would make the Dublin or Kerry forward lines if I'm being honest. I don't think he is that good a tackler either, he fouls a lot but he gets away with it. The Cork backroom team brought attention to it last year before the quarter final.

Quote from: From the Bunker on June 17, 2015, 10:37:35 PM
Sorry, in case you missed this earlier.............

(http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/multimedia/dynamic/00222/rubbish-1024_222508k.jpg)

Quote from: moysider on June 17, 2015, 11:50:03 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 11:30:18 PM

Quote from: muppet on June 17, 2015, 11:09:56 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 10:54:36 PM

Quote from: sans pessimism on June 17, 2015, 10:46:05 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 09:21:26 PM
James O'Donohoe played very deep in one All Ireland final. O'Connor was deployed as an out and out full forward in two. They are not really comparable.

I think you are taking things too much to heart if you are deeming what I'm saying about O'Connor as bashing. I feel he is overrated and I feel that he has a lot to prove yet, he has plenty of time on his hands to do so.

put down that shovel and step away from the hole

You've managed to get things arseways here as the only one digging the holes for themselves are those who are imagining  O'Connor being bashed, God help us if someone called him rubbish in this thread! Valid points have been raised as to his all round game in line with his reputation. That is not bashing.

You are the one running him down.

QuoteFailed to score from play in 2 All Ireland finals.

QuoteI don't think O'Connor is as good as made out in some quarters.

QuoteDo you think he is Mayo's greatest every player?

QuoteDo you think he is one of the top 10 forwards in the game right now?

QuoteI don't think he contributes enough from open play, I don't think defenders or managers would worry about him as much from open play as some of the other top forwards in the game.

Mayo fans know exactly how good he is from play. If we could spare him inside, he is by far and away our best passer and he would start every game at 11. He is a fantastic tackler, ask Neil Magee. Has has an unbelievable attitude, which explains his quick returns from bad injury, and scored 6 goals, including 2 hatricks the year he only played 89 minutes.

Incidentally none of his hatricks were from frees.

He won YPOTY twice, top scored in the Championship twice and is a current All-Star.

But in Sligo that would be sh*te.

I fail to see how I am running him down. I haven't said he is a bad player or useless. I said I think he has been overrated. I don't have the stats at hand but I don't think his scoring record from play is too hot for a player of his reputation, there was a post a few pages back that seemed to back that up. I don't think he is particularly quick or a particularly good ball winner or able to get scores out of nothing from play. Having an opinion on O'Connor not being a good a player as some allude to is not bashing him. I don't think O'Connor would make the Dublin or Kerry forward lines if I'm being honest. I don't think he is that good a tackler either, he fouls a lot but he gets away with it. The Cork backroom team brought attention to it last year before the quarter final.

They would, wouldn't they  ::)

Jaysus you have some set on him.
Far from being overrated, this thread shows that a lot of people underrate him. But you re judgement is you re judgement and good luck to ye.

Quote from: moysider on June 18, 2015, 12:13:45 AM

Lets see if sligoman is so dissy of O Connor after they beat the Rossies ;)

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 12:21:59 AM

Quote from: moysider on June 18, 2015, 12:13:45 AM

Lets see if sligoman is so dissy of O Connor after they beat the Rossies ;)

In fairness if they get past the holy trinity of Connacht's finest forwwards, he would be right to be confident.

Quote from: moysider on June 18, 2015, 12:37:19 AM

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 12:21:59 AM

Quote from: moysider on June 18, 2015, 12:13:45 AM

Lets see if sligoman is so dissy of O Connor after they beat the Rossies ;)

In fairness if they get past the holy trinity of Connacht's finest forwwards, he would be right to be confident.

Sheesh. That's true  :(

The holy trinity and 3 saint patricks as impact subs.

Quote from: moysider on June 17, 2015, 11:50:03 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 11:30:18 PM

Quote from: muppet on June 17, 2015, 11:09:56 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 10:54:36 PM

Quote from: sans pessimism on June 17, 2015, 10:46:05 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 09:21:26 PM
James O'Donohoe played very deep in one All Ireland final. O'Connor was deployed as an out and out full forward in two. They are not really comparable.

I think you are taking things too much to heart if you are deeming what I'm saying about O'Connor as bashing. I feel he is overrated and I feel that he has a lot to prove yet, he has plenty of time on his hands to do so.

put down that shovel and step away from the hole

You've managed to get things arseways here as the only one digging the holes for themselves are those who are imagining  O'Connor being bashed, God help us if someone called him rubbish in this thread! Valid points have been raised as to his all round game in line with his reputation. That is not bashing.

You are the one running him down.

QuoteFailed to score from play in 2 All Ireland finals.

QuoteI don't think O'Connor is as good as made out in some quarters.

QuoteDo you think he is Mayo's greatest every player?

QuoteDo you think he is one of the top 10 forwards in the game right now?

QuoteI don't think he contributes enough from open play, I don't think defenders or managers would worry about him as much from open play as some of the other top forwards in the game.

Mayo fans know exactly how good he is from play. If we could spare him inside, he is by far and away our best passer and he would start every game at 11. He is a fantastic tackler, ask Neil Magee. Has has an unbelievable attitude, which explains his quick returns from bad injury, and scored 6 goals, including 2 hatricks the year he only played 89 minutes.

Incidentally none of his hatricks were from frees.

He won YPOTY twice, top scored in the Championship twice and is a current All-Star.

But in Sligo that would be sh*te.

I fail to see how I am running him down. I haven't said he is a bad player or useless. I said I think he has been overrated. I don't have the stats at hand but I don't think his scoring record from play is too hot for a player of his reputation, there was a post a few pages back that seemed to back that up. I don't think he is particularly quick or a particularly good ball winner or able to get scores out of nothing from play. Having an opinion on O'Connor not being a good a player as some allude to is not bashing him. I don't think O'Connor would make the Dublin or Kerry forward lines if I'm being honest. I don't think he is that good a tackler either, he fouls a lot but he gets away with it. The Cork backroom team brought attention to it last year before the quarter final.

They would, wouldn't they  ::)

Jaysus you have some set on him.
Far from being overrated, this thread shows that a lot of people underrate him. But you re judgement is you re judgement and good luck to ye.

Quote from: sligoman on June 18, 2015, 09:35:26 AM

Quote from: moysider on June 17, 2015, 11:50:03 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 11:30:18 PM

Quote from: muppet on June 17, 2015, 11:09:56 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 10:54:36 PM

Quote from: sans pessimism on June 17, 2015, 10:46:05 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 09:21:26 PM
James O'Donohoe played very deep in one All Ireland final. O'Connor was deployed as an out and out full forward in two. They are not really comparable.

I think you are taking things too much to heart if you are deeming what I'm saying about O'Connor as bashing. I feel he is overrated and I feel that he has a lot to prove yet, he has plenty of time on his hands to do so.

put down that shovel and step away from the hole

You've managed to get things arseways here as the only one digging the holes for themselves are those who are imagining  O'Connor being bashed, God help us if someone called him rubbish in this thread! Valid points have been raised as to his all round game in line with his reputation. That is not bashing.

You are the one running him down.

QuoteFailed to score from play in 2 All Ireland finals.

QuoteI don't think O'Connor is as good as made out in some quarters.

QuoteDo you think he is Mayo's greatest every player?

QuoteDo you think he is one of the top 10 forwards in the game right now?

QuoteI don't think he contributes enough from open play, I don't think defenders or managers would worry about him as much from open play as some of the other top forwards in the game.

Mayo fans know exactly how good he is from play. If we could spare him inside, he is by far and away our best passer and he would start every game at 11. He is a fantastic tackler, ask Neil Magee. Has has an unbelievable attitude, which explains his quick returns from bad injury, and scored 6 goals, including 2 hatricks the year he only played 89 minutes.

Incidentally none of his hatricks were from frees.

He won YPOTY twice, top scored in the Championship twice and is a current All-Star.

But in Sligo that would be sh*te.

I fail to see how I am running him down. I haven't said he is a bad player or useless. I said I think he has been overrated. I don't have the stats at hand but I don't think his scoring record from play is too hot for a player of his reputation, there was a post a few pages back that seemed to back that up. I don't think he is particularly quick or a particularly good ball winner or able to get scores out of nothing from play. Having an opinion on O'Connor not being a good a player as some allude to is not bashing him. I don't think O'Connor would make the Dublin or Kerry forward lines if I'm being honest. I don't think he is that good a tackler either, he fouls a lot but he gets away with it. The Cork backroom team brought attention to it last year before the quarter final.

They would, wouldn't they  ::)

Jaysus you have some set on him.
Far from being overrated, this thread shows that a lot of people underrate him. But you re judgement is you re judgement and good luck to ye.

I don't have a set on him, I just happen to think he is overrated. Do you think he is one of the top 10 forwards in the game right now?

I think a lot of Mayo people are getting very sensitive of any sort of critisicm of O'Connor.

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 09:38:03 AM
Seriously Sligoman, what did he do to you?

You can tell us..... ;D

Quote from: sligoman on June 18, 2015, 10:17:25 AM

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 09:38:03 AM
Seriously Sligoman, what did he do to you?

You can tell us..... ;D

Nothing.  :)

I just happen to think he's not as good as is made out which seems to be an issue for some.

Quote from: highorlow on June 18, 2015, 09:25:57 AM
Dermot Earley Snr would be my choice if it's a question of a greatest ever player from Mayo. That's a reason why I voted no in the poll.

Quote from: sligoman on June 18, 2015, 10:17:25 AM

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 09:38:03 AM
Seriously Sligoman, what did he do to you?

You can tell us..... ;D

Nothing.  :)

I just happen to think he's not as good as is made out which seems to be an issue for some.

Quote from: AZOffaly on June 18, 2015, 10:22:47 AM

Quote from: highorlow on June 18, 2015, 09:25:57 AM
Dermot Earley Snr would be my choice if it's a question of a greatest ever player from Mayo. That's a reason why I voted no in the poll.

??

Is this a Ballagh thing?

Quote from: Hardy on June 18, 2015, 09:02:40 AM
This is becoming one of my favourite threads.

Feckit, is it the greatest ever?

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 10:22:10 AM

Quote from: sligoman on June 18, 2015, 10:17:25 AM

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 09:38:03 AM
Seriously Sligoman, what did he do to you?

You can tell us..... ;D

Nothing.  :)

I just happen to think he's not as good as is made out which seems to be an issue for some.

So you feel the need to go on the internet and pull him down a peg or two?

Quote from: sligoman on June 18, 2015, 10:30:59 AM

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 10:22:10 AM

Quote from: sligoman on June 18, 2015, 10:17:25 AM

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 09:38:03 AM
Seriously Sligoman, what did he do to you?

You can tell us..... ;D

Nothing.  :)

I just happen to think he's not as good as is made out which seems to be an issue for some.

So you feel the need to go on the internet and pull him down a peg or two?

I didn't say anything of a personal or derogatory nature, just that he is overrated. I didn't start this thread, I just happened to give my two cents on this thread. The question a lot of people should be asking is why are people getting so upset over justified criticism? Why are people trying to censure anyone having a view that O'Connor might not be as good as the reputation he has developed?

Quote from: highorlow on June 18, 2015, 09:25:57 AM
Dermot Earley Snr would be my choice if it's a question of a greatest ever player from Mayo. That's a reason why I voted no in the poll.

Quote from: sligoman on June 18, 2015, 10:30:59 AM

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 10:22:10 AM

Quote from: sligoman on June 18, 2015, 10:17:25 AM

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 09:38:03 AM
Seriously Sligoman, what did he do to you?

You can tell us..... ;D

Nothing.  :)

I just happen to think he's not as good as is made out which seems to be an issue for some.

So you feel the need to go on the internet and pull him down a peg or two?

I didn't say anything of a personal or derogatory nature, just that he is overrated. I didn't start this thread, I just happened to give my two cents on this thread. The question a lot of people should be asking is why are people getting so upset over justified criticism? Why are people trying to censure anyone having a view that O'Connor might not be as good as the reputation he has developed?

Quote from: blanketattack on June 18, 2015, 11:21:32 AM
For me to be considered a top player you must produce the goods in the big games and moments e.g. Maurice Fitz in the 97 final, Padraig Joyce in 98 and 01, Gooch in 04, etc. Cillian O'Connor has played in 2 All Ireland finals and has yet to score from play. Not a top player IMO.

Quote from: nrico2006 on June 18, 2015, 11:17:35 AM
A question for posters on here then - would you rate O'Connor as one of the top 10 best forwards in the country?

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 11:24:12 AM

Quote from: blanketattack on June 18, 2015, 11:21:32 AM
For me to be considered a top player you must produce the goods in the big games and moments e.g. Maurice Fitz in the 97 final, Padraig Joyce in 98 and 01, Gooch in 04, etc. Cillian O'Connor has played in 2 All Ireland finals and has yet to score from play. Not a top player IMO.

James O'Donohue not a top player?

Quote from: BennyHarp on June 18, 2015, 11:26:19 AM

Quote from: nrico2006 on June 18, 2015, 11:17:35 AM
A question for posters on here then - would you rate O'Connor as one of the top 10 best forwards in the country?

Absolutely and we haven't seen the best of him yet. Still think Brady should cop himself on making silly media comments like that though.

Quote from: imtommygunn on June 18, 2015, 11:26:43 AM

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 11:24:12 AM

Quote from: blanketattack on June 18, 2015, 11:21:32 AM
For me to be considered a top player you must produce the goods in the big games and moments e.g. Maurice Fitz in the 97 final, Padraig Joyce in 98 and 01, Gooch in 04, etc. Cillian O'Connor has played in 2 All Ireland finals and has yet to score from play. Not a top player IMO.

James O'Donohue not a top player?

To be fair he still had a good game...

Quote from: screenexile on June 18, 2015, 11:40:17 AM

Quote from: BennyHarp on June 18, 2015, 11:26:19 AM

Quote from: nrico2006 on June 18, 2015, 11:17:35 AM
A question for posters on here then - would you rate O'Connor as one of the top 10 best forwards in the country?

Absolutely and we haven't seen the best of him yet. Still think Brady should cop himself on making silly media comments like that though.

Not sure if he would be in my top 10... Brogan, Flynn, Connolly, O'Donoghue, Colm O'Neill, Michael Murphy, Bradley, Clarke, Cavanagh, McManus

Another year or two and he'd be in there I think he's still very young but has bucket loads of potential another 2 years at the top level and I'd have him in there.

Quote from: weareros on June 18, 2015, 02:15:16 AM

Quote from: moysider on June 18, 2015, 12:37:19 AM

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 12:21:59 AM

Quote from: moysider on June 18, 2015, 12:13:45 AM

Lets see if sligoman is so dissy of O Connor after they beat the Rossies ;)

In fairness if they get past the holy trinity of Connacht's finest forwwards, he would be right to be confident.

Sheesh. That's true  :(

The holy trinity and 3 saint patricks as impact subs.

ye can keep the Saint Patrick's. Unlike ye, we don't steal Mayomen.

Quote from: Mano on June 18, 2015, 11:41:03 AM

Quote from: imtommygunn on June 18, 2015, 11:26:43 AM

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 11:24:12 AM

Quote from: blanketattack on June 18, 2015, 11:21:32 AM
For me to be considered a top player you must produce the goods in the big games and moments e.g. Maurice Fitz in the 97 final, Padraig Joyce in 98 and 01, Gooch in 04, etc. Cillian O'Connor has played in 2 All Ireland finals and has yet to score from play. Not a top player IMO.

James O'Donohue not a top player?

To be fair he still had a good game...

Did he score from play. By your rationale Johnny Buckley, Paul Geaney are top players and O'Donohue isn't. Also the much maligned Enda Varley is a top player (scored from play 2012) and O'Connor isn't. You need to rethink your last post there.

Quote from: screenexile on June 18, 2015, 11:40:17 AM

Quote from: BennyHarp on June 18, 2015, 11:26:19 AM

Quote from: nrico2006 on June 18, 2015, 11:17:35 AM
A question for posters on here then - would you rate O'Connor as one of the top 10 best forwards in the country?

Absolutely and we haven't seen the best of him yet. Still think Brady should cop himself on making silly media comments like that though.

Not sure if he would be in my top 10... Brogan, Flynn, Connolly, O'Donoghue, Colm O'Neill, Michael Murphy, Bradley, Clarke, Cavanagh, McManus

Another year or two and he'd be in there I think he's still very young but has bucket loads of potential another 2 years at the top level and I'd have him in there.

Quote from: blanketattack on June 18, 2015, 11:21:32 AM
For me to be considered a top player you must produce the goods in the big games and moments e.g. Maurice Fitz in the 97 final, Padraig Joyce in 98 and 01, Gooch in 04, etc. Cillian O'Connor has played in 2 All Ireland finals and has yet to score from play. Not a top player IMO.

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 11:02:38 AM

Quote from: sligoman on June 18, 2015, 10:30:59 AM

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 10:22:10 AM

Quote from: sligoman on June 18, 2015, 10:17:25 AM

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 09:38:03 AM
Seriously Sligoman, what did he do to you?

You can tell us..... ;D

Nothing.  :)

I just happen to think he's not as good as is made out which seems to be an issue for some.

So you feel the need to go on the internet and pull him down a peg or two?

I didn't say anything of a personal or derogatory nature, just that he is overrated. I didn't start this thread, I just happened to give my two cents on this thread. The question a lot of people should be asking is why are people getting so upset over justified criticism? Why are people trying to censure anyone having a view that O'Connor might not be as good as the reputation he has developed?

Do you think saying someone is overrated a compliment, or even a neutral comment? You claim your criticism is 'justified', yet the only criteria you offered as justification would render James O'Donohue useless.

You have post 14 times on this thread. More than anyone else. G'wan tell us what the real issue is.

Quote from: AZOffaly on June 18, 2015, 01:22:42 PM
He would definitely start for Kerry. He'd start ahead of Geaney or Barry John Keane.

Quote from: AZOffaly on June 18, 2015, 01:30:17 PM
I'd have a fit O'Connor. Geaney is good in the air, and is a good player all around, but I think O'Connor is more accurate and that bit sharper around the ball.

Quote from: AZOffaly on June 18, 2015, 01:30:17 PM
I'd have a fit O'Connor. Geaney is good in the air, and is a good player all around, but I think O'Connor is more accurate and that bit sharper around the ball.

Quote from: BennyHarp on June 18, 2015, 12:05:03 PM

Quote from: screenexile on June 18, 2015, 11:40:17 AM

Quote from: BennyHarp on June 18, 2015, 11:26:19 AM

Quote from: nrico2006 on June 18, 2015, 11:17:35 AM
A question for posters on here then - would you rate O'Connor as one of the top 10 best forwards in the country?

Absolutely and we haven't seen the best of him yet. Still think Brady should cop himself on making silly media comments like that though.

Not sure if he would be in my top 10... Brogan, Flynn, Connolly, O'Donoghue, Colm O'Neill, Michael Murphy, Bradley, Clarke, Cavanagh, McManus

Another year or two and he'd be in there I think he's still very young but has bucket loads of potential another 2 years at the top level and I'd have him in there.

Fair enough, its a game of opinions but I would have him above of at least Bradley, Clarke, and at the minute Cavanagh and Brogan who haven't been at the top of their game for a few seasons.

Quote from: nrico2006 on June 18, 2015, 01:41:05 PM

Quote from: BennyHarp on June 18, 2015, 12:05:03 PM

Quote from: screenexile on June 18, 2015, 11:40:17 AM

Quote from: BennyHarp on June 18, 2015, 11:26:19 AM

Quote from: nrico2006 on June 18, 2015, 11:17:35 AM
A question for posters on here then - would you rate O'Connor as one of the top 10 best forwards in the country?

Absolutely and we haven't seen the best of him yet. Still think Brady should cop himself on making silly media comments like that though.

Not sure if he would be in my top 10... Brogan, Flynn, Connolly, O'Donoghue, Colm O'Neill, Michael Murphy, Bradley, Clarke, Cavanagh, McManus

Another year or two and he'd be in there I think he's still very young but has bucket loads of potential another 2 years at the top level and I'd have him in there.

Fair enough, its a game of opinions but I would have him above of at least Bradley, Clarke, and at the minute Cavanagh and Brogan who haven't been at the top of their game for a few seasons.

Eoin Bradley and Jamie Clarke are far better players and would score more heavily in that Mayo team than O'Connor.  Cavanagh and Brogan still contribute more scores too.  I would also have Geaney ahead of him as he scores more too.  There are easily ten better forwards than him.

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 01:49:12 PM

Quote from: nrico2006 on June 18, 2015, 01:41:05 PM

Quote from: BennyHarp on June 18, 2015, 12:05:03 PM

Quote from: screenexile on June 18, 2015, 11:40:17 AM

Quote from: BennyHarp on June 18, 2015, 11:26:19 AM

Quote from: nrico2006 on June 18, 2015, 11:17:35 AM
A question for posters on here then - would you rate O'Connor as one of the top 10 best forwards in the country?

Absolutely and we haven't seen the best of him yet. Still think Brady should cop himself on making silly media comments like that though.

Not sure if he would be in my top 10... Brogan, Flynn, Connolly, O'Donoghue, Colm O'Neill, Michael Murphy, Bradley, Clarke, Cavanagh, McManus

Another year or two and he'd be in there I think he's still very young but has bucket loads of potential another 2 years at the top level and I'd have him in there.

Fair enough, its a game of opinions but I would have him above of at least Bradley, Clarke, and at the minute Cavanagh and Brogan who haven't been at the top of their game for a few seasons.

Eoin Bradley and Jamie Clarke are far better players and would score more heavily in that Mayo team than O'Connor.  Cavanagh and Brogan still contribute more scores too.  I would also have Geaney ahead of him as he scores more too.  There are easily ten better forwards than him.

Really?

The last time they met Geaney scored 0-4 and O'Connor got 2-05.

The time before that Geaney scored 0-1 and O'Connor 1-08.

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 01:39:51 PM

Quote from: AZOffaly on June 18, 2015, 01:30:17 PM
I'd have a fit O'Connor. Geaney is good in the air, and is a good player all around, but I think O'Connor is more accurate and that bit sharper around the ball.

O'Connor is also Mayo's best passer, remember Lee Keegan's goal. None of the rest would have even seen the pass never mind pull it off.

Is O'Connor one of the top 10 forwards in the country? Bloody right he is.

He was quiet last week against a Galway FB line that fouled every time we won a ball in there. There was a reason they fouled so much. To stop goals.

He was quiet from play against the Dubs but some people seem to think that two dislocated shoulders in a summer is meh.

He was quiet from play in a tiny FF line (Varley & Conroy) against the MAgees and the Donegal blanket at the age of 20.

Some GAA supporters would rather spend their time knocking people than enjoying their abilities.

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 01:49:12 PM

Quote from: nrico2006 on June 18, 2015, 01:41:05 PM

Quote from: BennyHarp on June 18, 2015, 12:05:03 PM

Quote from: screenexile on June 18, 2015, 11:40:17 AM

Quote from: BennyHarp on June 18, 2015, 11:26:19 AM

Quote from: nrico2006 on June 18, 2015, 11:17:35 AM
A question for posters on here then - would you rate O'Connor as one of the top 10 best forwards in the country?

Absolutely and we haven't seen the best of him yet. Still think Brady should cop himself on making silly media comments like that though.

Not sure if he would be in my top 10... Brogan, Flynn, Connolly, O'Donoghue, Colm O'Neill, Michael Murphy, Bradley, Clarke, Cavanagh, McManus

Another year or two and he'd be in there I think he's still very young but has bucket loads of potential another 2 years at the top level and I'd have him in there.

Fair enough, its a game of opinions but I would have him above of at least Bradley, Clarke, and at the minute Cavanagh and Brogan who haven't been at the top of their game for a few seasons.

Eoin Bradley and Jamie Clarke are far better players and would score more heavily in that Mayo team than O'Connor.  Cavanagh and Brogan still contribute more scores too.  I would also have Geaney ahead of him as he scores more too.  There are easily ten better forwards than him.

Really?

The last time they met Geaney scored 0-4 and O'Connor got 2-05.

The time before that Geaney scored 0-1 and O'Connor 1-08.

Quote from: sligoman on June 18, 2015, 01:53:51 PM

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 01:39:51 PM

Quote from: AZOffaly on June 18, 2015, 01:30:17 PM
I'd have a fit O'Connor. Geaney is good in the air, and is a good player all around, but I think O'Connor is more accurate and that bit sharper around the ball.

O'Connor is also Mayo's best passer, remember Lee Keegan's goal. None of the rest would have even seen the pass never mind pull it off.

Is O'Connor one of the top 10 forwards in the country? Bloody right he is.

He was quiet last week against a Galway FB line that fouled every time we won a ball in there. There was a reason they fouled so much. To stop goals.

He was quiet from play against the Dubs but some people seem to think that two dislocated shoulders in a summer is meh.

He was quiet from play in a tiny FF line (Varley & Conroy) against the MAgees and the Donegal blanket at the age of 20.

Some GAA supporters would rather spend their time knocking people than enjoying their abilities.

O'Connor is only being knocked because he has been put up on a pedestal by some which I don't think he deserves to have been. I could name 10 forwards I deem to be better than O'Connor off the top of my head - Brogan, O'Donoghue, Cooper, Murphy, McBrearty, Connolly, Flynn, McManus, O'Neill, Geaney, Donaghy and there's many more I could go into.

I feel a lot of O'Connor's standing is to do with the the fact he plays on a very good Mayo team and happens to be their free taker. People are easily swayed by a brief look at the scoring charts but not looking objectively behind the figures. I don't think a defender would dread marking O'Connor in the same way they would a McManus, Connolly, O'Donoghue, McBrearty, Donaghy or Brogan.

Quote from: sligoman on June 18, 2015, 01:55:49 PM

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 01:49:12 PM

Quote from: nrico2006 on June 18, 2015, 01:41:05 PM

Quote from: BennyHarp on June 18, 2015, 12:05:03 PM

Quote from: screenexile on June 18, 2015, 11:40:17 AM

Quote from: BennyHarp on June 18, 2015, 11:26:19 AM

Quote from: nrico2006 on June 18, 2015, 11:17:35 AM
A question for posters on here then - would you rate O'Connor as one of the top 10 best forwards in the country?

Absolutely and we haven't seen the best of him yet. Still think Brady should cop himself on making silly media comments like that though.

Not sure if he would be in my top 10... Brogan, Flynn, Connolly, O'Donoghue, Colm O'Neill, Michael Murphy, Bradley, Clarke, Cavanagh, McManus

Another year or two and he'd be in there I think he's still very young but has bucket loads of potential another 2 years at the top level and I'd have him in there.

Fair enough, its a game of opinions but I would have him above of at least Bradley, Clarke, and at the minute Cavanagh and Brogan who haven't been at the top of their game for a few seasons.

Eoin Bradley and Jamie Clarke are far better players and would score more heavily in that Mayo team than O'Connor.  Cavanagh and Brogan still contribute more scores too.  I would also have Geaney ahead of him as he scores more too.  There are easily ten better forwards than him.

Really?

The last time they met Geaney scored 0-4 and O'Connor got 2-05.

The time before that Geaney scored 0-1 and O'Connor 1-08.

And Geaney scored 1-01 from play in an All Ireland final. He also outscored O'Connor from play in last year's Championship playing the same amount of games.

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 01:59:36 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 18, 2015, 01:55:49 PM

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 01:49:12 PM

Quote from: nrico2006 on June 18, 2015, 01:41:05 PM

Quote from: BennyHarp on June 18, 2015, 12:05:03 PM

Quote from: screenexile on June 18, 2015, 11:40:17 AM

Quote from: BennyHarp on June 18, 2015, 11:26:19 AM

Quote from: nrico2006 on June 18, 2015, 11:17:35 AM
A question for posters on here then - would you rate O'Connor as one of the top 10 best forwards in the country?

Absolutely and we haven't seen the best of him yet. Still think Brady should cop himself on making silly media comments like that though.

Not sure if he would be in my top 10... Brogan, Flynn, Connolly, O'Donoghue, Colm O'Neill, Michael Murphy, Bradley, Clarke, Cavanagh, McManus

Another year or two and he'd be in there I think he's still very young but has bucket loads of potential another 2 years at the top level and I'd have him in there.

Fair enough, its a game of opinions but I would have him above of at least Bradley, Clarke, and at the minute Cavanagh and Brogan who haven't been at the top of their game for a few seasons.

Eoin Bradley and Jamie Clarke are far better players and would score more heavily in that Mayo team than O'Connor.  Cavanagh and Brogan still contribute more scores too.  I would also have Geaney ahead of him as he scores more too.  There are easily ten better forwards than him.

Really?

The last time they met Geaney scored 0-4 and O'Connor got 2-05.

The time before that Geaney scored 0-1 and O'Connor 1-08.

And Geaney scored 1-01 from play in an All Ireland final. He also outscored O'Connor from play in last year's Championship playing the same amount of games.

O'Connor outscored him from play in their head to head. And O'Connor was off the pitch for 15 minutes injured and played the 2nd half and extra time with one eye closed.

Why do you need to put the lad down?

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 01:58:01 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 18, 2015, 01:53:51 PM

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 01:39:51 PM

Quote from: AZOffaly on June 18, 2015, 01:30:17 PM
I'd have a fit O'Connor. Geaney is good in the air, and is a good player all around, but I think O'Connor is more accurate and that bit sharper around the ball.

O'Connor is also Mayo's best passer, remember Lee Keegan's goal. None of the rest would have even seen the pass never mind pull it off.

Is O'Connor one of the top 10 forwards in the country? Bloody right he is.

He was quiet last week against a Galway FB line that fouled every time we won a ball in there. There was a reason they fouled so much. To stop goals.

He was quiet from play against the Dubs but some people seem to think that two dislocated shoulders in a summer is meh.

He was quiet from play in a tiny FF line (Varley & Conroy) against the MAgees and the Donegal blanket at the age of 20.

Some GAA supporters would rather spend their time knocking people than enjoying their abilities.

O'Connor is only being knocked because he has been put up on a pedestal by some which I don't think he deserves to have been. I could name 10 forwards I deem to be better than O'Connor off the top of my head - Brogan, O'Donoghue, Cooper, Murphy, McBrearty, Connolly, Flynn, McManus, O'Neill, Geaney, Donaghy and there's many more I could go into.

I feel a lot of O'Connor's standing is to do with the the fact he plays on a very good Mayo team and happens to be their free taker. People are easily swayed by a brief look at the scoring charts but not looking objectively behind the figures. I don't think a defender would dread marking O'Connor in the same way they would a McManus, Connolly, O'Donoghue, McBrearty, Donaghy or Brogan.

You keep saying this and you insist that he contributes nothing from play. You think Mayo supporters, when watching Mayo, only briefly 'look at the scoring charts', while you an other neutrals study his overall performances more over the years? Seriously?

You haven't seen much of him have you? And for all of your forwards above, he has been outscoring all of them in the goal stakes and many of them in the points stakes. As a playmaker he is fantastic, something you could only say for Connolly and Paul Flynn (who I would add to your list).

Quote from: Mano on June 18, 2015, 02:08:40 PM
Sligonian/Sligoman you are welcome back to the board. What is your opinion on the upcoming Sligo game? Would Cillian O'Connor get the third spot in the Sligo full forward line alongside Marren and Kelly?

Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 18, 2015, 02:05:38 PM
I've already posted a list of top forwards in the game at the moment. Here's the list again: Gooch, O'Donoghue, Murphy, O'Neill Clarke, McNamee, Brogan, Lynch, Connolly, McBrearty, Flynn, Kingston, McManus, Bradley, Donaghy, Cavanagh. I wouldn't pick O'Connor ahead of any of these players. Then you have the McHughs, Mac Niallais, McManamon even Seán Quigley I'd have ahead of him.
I don't see how anyone could place O'Connor in the top ten looking at that list. This is not having a go at him. He's a good player but not top class.

Quote from: Mano on June 18, 2015, 02:17:17 PM

Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 18, 2015, 02:05:38 PM
I've already posted a list of top forwards in the game at the moment. Here's the list again: Gooch, O'Donoghue, Murphy, O'Neill Clarke, McNamee, Brogan, Lynch, Connolly, McBrearty, Flynn, Kingston, McManus, Bradley, Donaghy, Cavanagh. I wouldn't pick O'Connor ahead of any of these players. Then you have the McHughs, Mac Niallais, McManamon even Seán Quigley I'd have ahead of him.
I don't see how anyone could place O'Connor in the top ten looking at that list. This is not having a go at him. He's a good player but not top class.

That list is absolute nonsense.
Gooch has only played 1 game in 18 months. He will never get near to the level he was before the injury.
Murphy now spends most of his time in half back line/Midfield and rarely scores from play now.
Clarke hasn't done anything in years (tightly marked in Ulster)
Brogan hasn't been firing for the last 2 seasons.
Eoin Bradley has had one good game and suddenly he is one of the best forwards in the country
McHugh's, McNiallais don't be ridiculous they are defenders/midfielders
McManamon usually comes on when the opposing defences are tiring

Quote from: nrico2006 on June 18, 2015, 02:22:35 PM

Quote from: Mano on June 18, 2015, 02:17:17 PM

Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 18, 2015, 02:05:38 PM
I've already posted a list of top forwards in the game at the moment. Here's the list again: Gooch, O'Donoghue, Murphy, O'Neill Clarke, McNamee, Brogan, Lynch, Connolly, McBrearty, Flynn, Kingston, McManus, Bradley, Donaghy, Cavanagh. I wouldn't pick O'Connor ahead of any of these players. Then you have the McHughs, Mac Niallais, McManamon even Seán Quigley I'd have ahead of him.
I don't see how anyone could place O'Connor in the top ten looking at that list. This is not having a go at him. He's a good player but not top class.

That list is absolute nonsense.
Gooch has only played 1 game in 18 months. He will never get near to the level he was before the injury.
Murphy now spends most of his time in half back line/Midfield and rarely scores from play now.
Clarke hasn't done anything in years (tightly marked in Ulster)
Brogan hasn't been firing for the last 2 seasons.
Eoin Bradley has had one good game and suddenly he is one of the best forwards in the country
McHugh's, McNiallais don't be ridiculous they are defenders/midfielders
McManamon usually comes on when the opposing defences are tiring

But the fact remains that all those mentioned would still worry a defender more and will be more of a threat from play than O'Connor.  Eoin Bradley has always been one of the top forwards, not his fault he has been dropped for playing soccer or had a few injuries. I doubt you would find any defender who would say they would rather face Bradley before O'Connor.

Quote from: nrico2006 on June 18, 2015, 02:22:35 PM

Quote from: Mano on June 18, 2015, 02:17:17 PM

Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 18, 2015, 02:05:38 PM
I've already posted a list of top forwards in the game at the moment. Here's the list again: Gooch, O'Donoghue, Murphy, O'Neill Clarke, McNamee, Brogan, Lynch, Connolly, McBrearty, Flynn, Kingston, McManus, Bradley, Donaghy, Cavanagh. I wouldn't pick O'Connor ahead of any of these players. Then you have the McHughs, Mac Niallais, McManamon even Seán Quigley I'd have ahead of him.
I don't see how anyone could place O'Connor in the top ten looking at that list. This is not having a go at him. He's a good player but not top class.

That list is absolute nonsense.
Gooch has only played 1 game in 18 months. He will never get near to the level he was before the injury.
Murphy now spends most of his time in half back line/Midfield and rarely scores from play now.
Clarke hasn't done anything in years (tightly marked in Ulster)
Brogan hasn't been firing for the last 2 seasons.
Eoin Bradley has had one good game and suddenly he is one of the best forwards in the country
McHugh's, McNiallais don't be ridiculous they are defenders/midfielders
McManamon usually comes on when the opposing defences are tiring

But the fact remains that all those mentioned would still worry a defender more and will be more of a threat from play than O'Connor.  Eoin Bradley has always been one of the top forwards, not his fault he has been dropped for playing soccer or had a few injuries.  I doubt you would find any defender who would say they would rather face Bradley before O'Connor. 

Quote from: sligoman on June 18, 2015, 02:04:31 PM
Well done to him but you're also ignoring the fact that Geaney scored 1-01 in an All Ireland final from play?

I must be putting O'Connor down in the same way that you are putting Paul Geaney down?

Quote from: Mano on June 18, 2015, 02:17:17 PM

Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 18, 2015, 02:05:38 PM
I've already posted a list of top forwards in the game at the moment. Here's the list again: Gooch, O'Donoghue, Murphy, O'Neill Clarke, McNamee, Brogan, Lynch, Connolly, McBrearty, Flynn, Kingston, McManus, Bradley, Donaghy, Cavanagh. I wouldn't pick O'Connor ahead of any of these players. Then you have the McHughs, Mac Niallais, McManamon even Seán Quigley I'd have ahead of him.
I don't see how anyone could place O'Connor in the top ten looking at that list. This is not having a go at him. He's a good player but not top class.

That list is absolute nonsense.
Gooch has only played 1 game in 18 months. He will never get near to the level he was before the injury.
Murphy now spends most of his time in half back line/Midfield and rarely scores from play now.
Clarke hasn't done anything in years (tightly marked in Ulster)
Brogan hasn't been firing for the last 2 seasons.
Eoin Bradley has had one good game and suddenly he is one of the best forwards in the country
McHugh's, McNiallais don't be ridiculous they are defenders/midfielders
McManamon usually comes on when the opposing defences are tiring

Quote from: Mano on June 18, 2015, 02:30:08 PM

Quote from: nrico2006 on June 18, 2015, 02:22:35 PM

Quote from: Mano on June 18, 2015, 02:17:17 PM

Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 18, 2015, 02:05:38 PM
I've already posted a list of top forwards in the game at the moment. Here's the list again: Gooch, O'Donoghue, Murphy, O'Neill Clarke, McNamee, Brogan, Lynch, Connolly, McBrearty, Flynn, Kingston, McManus, Bradley, Donaghy, Cavanagh. I wouldn't pick O'Connor ahead of any of these players. Then you have the McHughs, Mac Niallais, McManamon even Seán Quigley I'd have ahead of him.
I don't see how anyone could place O'Connor in the top ten looking at that list. This is not having a go at him. He's a good player but not top class.

That list is absolute nonsense.
Gooch has only played 1 game in 18 months. He will never get near to the level he was before the injury.
Murphy now spends most of his time in half back line/Midfield and rarely scores from play now.
Clarke hasn't done anything in years (tightly marked in Ulster)
Brogan hasn't been firing for the last 2 seasons.
Eoin Bradley has had one good game and suddenly he is one of the best forwards in the country
McHugh's, McNiallais don't be ridiculous they are defenders/midfielders
McManamon usually comes on when the opposing defences are tiring

But the fact remains that all those mentioned would still worry a defender more and will be more of a threat from play than O'Connor.  Eoin Bradley has always been one of the top forwards, not his fault he has been dropped for playing soccer or had a few injuries.  I doubt you would find any defender who would say they would rather face Bradley before O'Connor. 

Don't agree that McHugh's, McNiallais, Murphy, Cavanagh because they don't play as forwards, McManamon because he is usually an impact sub, Clarke didn't do much last weekend.

If you are going to do a comparison select players who play in the same position at least and go from there.

Quote from: AZOffaly on June 18, 2015, 02:36:09 PM
Maybe name a team that O'Connor wouldn't get in as part of the full forward line? Sligoman says Kerry, but I actually think he would get in ahead of Geaney there. At least it's debatable. I can't think of too many counties that wouldn't take him in if he was available. Donegal maybe because of the way they play, but other than that?

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 02:34:27 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 18, 2015, 02:04:31 PM
Well done to him but you're also ignoring the fact that Geaney scored 1-01 in an All Ireland final from play?

I must be putting O'Connor down in the same way that you are putting Paul Geaney down?

I am not posting on a Paul Geaney thread telling Kerry supporters that they have no right to rate him as highly as they do.

You and nrico2006 brought up Paul Geaney as a comparison.

In the semi-final fixture last year O'Connor scored 3-13 to Geaney 0-5. Geaney scored 1 point from play.




O'Connor, Aiden O'Shea and Keith Higgins kept Mayo in that game imho. With any of that 3 we would have been hammered.

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 02:41:32 PM

Quote from: AZOffaly on June 18, 2015, 02:36:09 PM
Maybe name a team that O'Connor wouldn't get in as part of the full forward line? Sligoman says Kerry, but I actually think he would get in ahead of Geaney there. At least it's debatable. I can't think of too many counties that wouldn't take him in if he was available. Donegal maybe because of the way they play, but other than that?

I think if O'Connor played for Kerry they would him at 11 and Gooch at 13.

Quote from: AZOffaly on June 18, 2015, 02:36:09 PM
Maybe name a team that O'Connor wouldn't get in as part of the full forward line? Sligoman says Kerry, but I actually think he would get in ahead of Geaney there. At least it's debatable. I can't think of too many counties that wouldn't take him in if he was available. Donegal maybe because of the way they play, but other than that?

Quote from: sligoman on June 18, 2015, 02:46:47 PM

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 02:34:27 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 18, 2015, 02:04:31 PM
Well done to him but you're also ignoring the fact that Geaney scored 1-01 in an All Ireland final from play?

I must be putting O'Connor down in the same way that you are putting Paul Geaney down?

I am not posting on a Paul Geaney thread telling Kerry supporters that they have no right to rate him as highly as they do.

You and nrico2006 brought up Paul Geaney as a comparison.

In the semi-final fixture last year O'Connor scored 3-13 to Geaney 0-5. Geaney scored 1 point from play.




O'Connor, Aiden O'Shea and Keith Higgins kept Mayo in that game imho. With any of that 3 we would have been hammered.

You seem to be getting ideas into your head. I never said you have no right to rate O'Connor, I gave my opinion on O'Connor and it was you (and others) who accused me of bashing him. You're the one who has got  upset by the fact that some people don't agree with the level of praise and recognition O'Connor has received in the past few years. I have nothing personal against O'Connor as I've stated many times before on this thread, I just don't think he is as good a player as is made out. It is you who seems to have a problem with others voicing an opinion contrary to that.

Bringing Geaney and O'Connor's head to head is selective. I notice you have said nothing about the fact that Geaney scored 1-01 from play in an All Ireland final while O'Connor has failed to score from play in two finals. I think Geaney is a much more difficult proposition to mark, he's good in the air, more mobile, will win more frees and will be able to create more openings for himself. I don't think O'Connor is very good in this regard and I think it is a valid criticism which you are overly sensitive about.

Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 18, 2015, 02:35:05 PM

O'Connors better than the Gooch? And you say my post was nonsense!

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 02:53:51 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 18, 2015, 02:46:47 PM

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 02:34:27 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 18, 2015, 02:04:31 PM
Well done to him but you're also ignoring the fact that Geaney scored 1-01 in an All Ireland final from play?

I must be putting O'Connor down in the same way that you are putting Paul Geaney down?

I am not posting on a Paul Geaney thread telling Kerry supporters that they have no right to rate him as highly as they do.

You and nrico2006 brought up Paul Geaney as a comparison.

In the semi-final fixture last year O'Connor scored 3-13 to Geaney 0-5. Geaney scored 1 point from play.




O'Connor, Aiden O'Shea and Keith Higgins kept Mayo in that game imho. With any of that 3 we would have been hammered.

You seem to be getting ideas into your head. I never said you have no right to rate O'Connor, I gave my opinion on O'Connor and it was you (and others) who accused me of bashing him. You're the one who has got  upset by the fact that some people don't agree with the level of praise and recognition O'Connor has received in the past few years. I have nothing personal against O'Connor as I've stated many times before on this thread, I just don't think he is as good a player as is made out. It is you who seems to have a problem with others voicing an opinion contrary to that.

Bringing Geaney and O'Connor's head to head is selective. I notice you have said nothing about the fact that Geaney scored 1-01 from play in an All Ireland final while O'Connor has failed to score from play in two finals. I think Geaney is a much more difficult proposition to mark, he's good in the air, more mobile, will win more frees and will be able to create more openings for himself. I don't think O'Connor is very good in this regard and I think it is a valid criticism which you are overly sensitive about.

You have ignored everything anyone has said about O'Connor, except when it agrees with you.

Did Geaney have two dislocated shoulders last summer? Did he have the oppositions best man marker on him for every minute of his AIF? It was extremely clever of Fitzmaurice to correctly assume that Donegal would target Kerry's strengths, not a man who had scored 0-1 from play in two games against Mayo.

Quote from: sligoman on June 18, 2015, 03:13:19 PM

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 02:53:51 PM
You have ignored everything anyone has said about O'Connor, except when it agrees with you.

Did Geaney have two dislocated shoulders last summer? Did he have the oppositions best man marker on him for every minute of his AIF? It was extremely clever of Fitzmaurice to correctly assume that Donegal would target Kerry's strengths, not a man who had scored 0-1 from play in two games against Mayo.

You're just making things up now.

Would you seriously consider the likes of Shane Enright as Kerry's best man marker? The reason he probably did well against Kerry last year was because Kerry don't have any good man markers any more, Marc O'Se got a bit of a roasting from Moran in the first game and was dropped as a result. They also played very open compared to how defensive they played against Donegal.

I don't think any county manager would bother to put their best man marker on O'Connor when playing Mayo as he's not their most dangerous forward from play. I have to say Moran is a much more dangerous forward from open play and I even think he has struggled since his bad knee injury. Donegal didn't bother putting their best man marker Neil McGee on him in the 2012 final, instead they opted for his brother.

You've resorted to making things up now.

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 03:15:40 PM
Cillian scored one point less in last year's semi-final with Kerry (3-13)  than Paul Geaney (1-20) had scored in his entire Championship career up to this summer.

And Cillian is younger than Paul.

Using Paul as a stick to beat Cillian is rather silly.

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 03:15:40 PM
Cillian scored one point less in last year's semi-final with Kerry (3-13)  than Paul Geaney (1-20) had scored in his entire Championship career up to this summer.

And Cillian is younger than Paul.

Using Paul as a stick to beat Cillian is rather silly.

Quote from: Mano on June 18, 2015, 02:56:39 PM

Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 18, 2015, 02:35:05 PM

O'Connors better than the Gooch? And you say my post was nonsense!

I didn't say he was better. Gooch is the best forward of the last 15 years. He hasn't played in 18 months, we will have to make a judgement on his form later in the year. If he gets back to anything near his best he is a better player than any other forward in the country.

At least you weeded out the players who are not forwards in your latest list which makes it more credible.

Over Donaghy? No chance. Disagree
Over Connolly? No chance.  Can't compare - totally different player.
Over McBrearty? No chance. Disagree. He was a sub in last years championship
Over McManus? No chance. Agreed
Over McNamee? No chance. Disagree. Was an excellent point scorer a number of years ago but has been quiet last few years
Over Flynn? No chance. Different type of player, Flynn is a workhorse and an all rounder
Over Kingston? No chance. Based on what I saw against Kildare agreed
Over O'Neill? No chance. Agree

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 03:21:07 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 18, 2015, 03:13:19 PM

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 02:53:51 PM
You have ignored everything anyone has said about O'Connor, except when it agrees with you.

Did Geaney have two dislocated shoulders last summer? Did he have the oppositions best man marker on him for every minute of his AIF? It was extremely clever of Fitzmaurice to correctly assume that Donegal would target Kerry's strengths, not a man who had scored 0-1 from play in two games against Mayo.

You're just making things up now.

Would you seriously consider the likes of Shane Enright as Kerry's best man marker? The reason he probably did well against Kerry last year was because Kerry don't have any good man markers any more, Marc O'Se got a bit of a roasting from Moran in the first game and was dropped as a result. They also played very open compared to how defensive they played against Donegal.

I don't think any county manager would bother to put their best man marker on O'Connor when playing Mayo as he's not their most dangerous forward from play. I have to say Moran is a much more dangerous forward from open play and I even think he has struggled since his bad knee injury. Donegal didn't bother putting their best man marker Neil McGee on him in the 2012 final, instead they opted for his brother.

You've resorted to making things up now.

Moran is more dangerous from play.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

This is too funny.

You are the one making things up. Eamon Magee was on Varley in 2012, he even stood on him in 2013 to get himself sent off. Neil Magee was on Cillian, himself and Paul Durcan battered him before the throw-in.

I wasn't talking about Enright as you will only talk about Cillian's form in his two All Ireland's and ignore everything else. Who was marking Geaney for his goal against Donegal?

Quote from: sligoman on June 18, 2015, 03:24:06 PM

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 03:15:40 PM
Cillian scored one point less in last year's semi-final with Kerry (3-13)  than Paul Geaney (1-20) had scored in his entire Championship career up to this summer.

And Cillian is younger than Paul.

Using Paul as a stick to beat Cillian is rather silly.

And Geaney scored more from play in last year's Championship in the same amount of games.

Quote from: nrico2006 on June 18, 2015, 03:26:03 PM

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 03:15:40 PM
Cillian scored one point less in last year's semi-final with Kerry (3-13)  than Paul Geaney (1-20) had scored in his entire Championship career up to this summer.

And Cillian is younger than Paul.

Using Paul as a stick to beat Cillian is rather silly.

As mentioned, Geaney scored more from play in last years championship than O'Connor did.

Quote from: Mano on June 18, 2015, 02:56:39 PM

Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 18, 2015, 02:35:05 PM

O'Connors better than the Gooch? And you say my post was nonsense!

I didn't say he was better. Gooch is the best forward of the last 15 years. He hasn't played in 18 months, we will have to make a judgement on his form later in the year. If he gets back to anything near his best he is a better player than any other forward in the country.

At least you weeded out the players who are not forwards in your latest list which makes it more credible.

Over Donaghy? No chance. Disagree
Over Connolly? No chance.  Can't compare - totally different player.
Over McBrearty? No chance. Disagree. He was a sub in last years championship
Over McManus? No chance. Agreed
Over McNamee? No chance. Disagree. Was an excellent point scorer a number of years ago but has been quiet last few years
Over Flynn? No chance. Different type of player, Flynn is a workhorse and an all rounder
Over Kingston? No chance. Based on what I saw against Kildare agreed
Over O'Neill? No chance. Agree

Paul Flynn for being a work horse still scored as much as O'Connor from play and in probably less games.

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 03:40:47 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 18, 2015, 03:24:06 PM

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 03:15:40 PM
Cillian scored one point less in last year's semi-final with Kerry (3-13)  than Paul Geaney (1-20) had scored in his entire Championship career up to this summer.

And Cillian is younger than Paul.

Using Paul as a stick to beat Cillian is rather silly.

And Geaney scored more from play in last year's Championship in the same amount of games.

Their totals overall were 1-20 to 5-36.

If you leave out the early rounds in the provinces and look at the bigger games:

Geaney:
1-1 from play in the Final
0-1 from play in the replay
0-1 from play in the drawn game
0-3 from play against Galway

Total 1-6

O'Connor:
1-2 from play in the replay
0-3 from play in the drawn game
0-3 from play against Cork

Total 1-8

Quote from: sligoman on June 18, 2015, 03:47:44 PM

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 03:40:47 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 18, 2015, 03:24:06 PM

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 03:15:40 PM
Cillian scored one point less in last year's semi-final with Kerry (3-13)  than Paul Geaney (1-20) had scored in his entire Championship career up to this summer.

And Cillian is younger than Paul.

Using Paul as a stick to beat Cillian is rather silly.

And Geaney scored more from play in last year's Championship in the same amount of games.

Their totals overall were 1-20 to 5-36.

If you leave out the early rounds in the provinces and look at the bigger games:

Geaney:
1-1 from play in the Final
0-1 from play in the replay
0-1 from play in the drawn game
0-3 from play against Galway

Total 1-6

O'Connor:
1-2 from play in the replay
0-3 from play in the drawn game
0-3 from play against Cork

Total 1-8

So you're leaving out the provinces because it suits your argument?

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 03:54:29 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 18, 2015, 03:47:44 PM

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 03:40:47 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 18, 2015, 03:24:06 PM

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 03:15:40 PM
Cillian scored one point less in last year's semi-final with Kerry (3-13)  than Paul Geaney (1-20) had scored in his entire Championship career up to this summer.

And Cillian is younger than Paul.

Using Paul as a stick to beat Cillian is rather silly.

And Geaney scored more from play in last year's Championship in the same amount of games.

Their totals overall were 1-20 to 5-36.

If you leave out the early rounds in the provinces and look at the bigger games:

Geaney:
1-1 from play in the Final
0-1 from play in the replay
0-1 from play in the drawn game
0-3 from play against Galway

Total 1-6

O'Connor:
1-2 from play in the replay
0-3 from play in the drawn game
0-3 from play against Cork

Total 1-8

So you're leaving out the provinces because it suits your argument?

You are leaving out everything because it suits yours. You ignore O'Connor being crocked over and over again in 2013. Two dislocated shoulders.

If you want to compare how they each get on against New York and Clare fire away.

You think he contributes little from play. Go and watch him ffs. He is by far our best passer. He is our best tackler.

He has played 4 Championship and has 4 Connacht medals. That is no coincidence. He has an All-Star and top scored in the Championship twice. FFS why are you rubbishing a 23 year old with all that achieved at an age before Geaney even made an appearance?

Quote from: AZOffaly on June 18, 2015, 03:59:18 PM
I think this is a classic case of arguing yourself into a way more hardline position than you actually feel. I don't know any Mayo lad that thinks Cillian O'Connor is the best player ever in Mayo, nor that he is even the best forward in the country at the moment. And I don't think anybody thinks he's really rubbish either. But as the argument goes on, the positions become entrenched ever more towards the extreme that it starts to get bizarre.

I think O'Connor is a fine player, I don't think he's the best forward in the game, but I think he'd get a game on most teams, if not all teams, in the country. And he is 23, and has had brutal luck with injuries.

Quote from: AZOffaly on June 18, 2015, 03:59:18 PM
I think this is a classic case of arguing yourself into a way more hardline position than you actually feel. I don't know any Mayo lad that thinks Cillian O'Connor is the best player ever in Mayo, nor that he is even the best forward in the country at the moment. And I don't think anybody thinks he's really rubbish either. But as the argument goes on, the positions become entrenched ever more towards the extreme that it starts to get bizarre.

I think O'Connor is a fine player, I don't think he's the best forward in the game, but I think he'd get a game on most teams, if not all teams, in the country. And he is 23, and has had brutal luck with injuries.

Quote from: AZOffaly on June 18, 2015, 04:16:18 PM
As I said Syf, I think his injuries are more unlucky in that he has had to play through issues in big games a couple of times at least. I don't mean that he missed many big games, but rather that he wasn't at his physical peak going into them. That's tough on a young lad. I agree about Meehan, O'Neill and the likes. Obviously they have been way worse affected by serious injuries. Perhaps I phrased that badly.

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 04:36:50 PM

Quote from: AZOffaly on June 18, 2015, 04:16:18 PM
As I said Syf, I think his injuries are more unlucky in that he has had to play through issues in big games a couple of times at least. I don't mean that he missed many big games, but rather that he wasn't at his physical peak going into them. That's tough on a young lad. I agree about Meehan, O'Neill and the likes. Obviously they have been way worse affected by serious injuries. Perhaps I phrased that badly.

He has played while injured. He played 89 minutes in 2013, top scored including 2 hat-ricks and yet this apparently is nothing notable.

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 03:54:29 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 18, 2015, 03:47:44 PM

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 03:40:47 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 18, 2015, 03:24:06 PM

Quote from: muppet on June 18, 2015, 03:15:40 PM
Cillian scored one point less in last year's semi-final with Kerry (3-13)  than Paul Geaney (1-20) had scored in his entire Championship career up to this summer.

And Cillian is younger than Paul.

Using Paul as a stick to beat Cillian is rather silly.

And Geaney scored more from play in last year's Championship in the same amount of games.

Their totals overall were 1-20 to 5-36.

If you leave out the early rounds in the provinces and look at the bigger games:

Geaney:
1-1 from play in the Final
0-1 from play in the replay
0-1 from play in the drawn game
0-3 from play against Galway

Total 1-6

O'Connor:
1-2 from play in the replay
0-3 from play in the drawn game
0-3 from play against Cork

Total 1-8

So you're leaving out the provinces because it suits your argument?

You are leaving out everything because it suits yours. You ignore O'Connor being crocked over and over again in 2013. Two dislocated shoulders.

If you want to compare how they each get on against New York and Clare fire away.

You think he contributes little from play. Go and watch him ffs. He is by far our best passer. He is our best tackler.

He has played 4 Championship and has 4 Connacht medals. That is no coincidence. He has an All-Star and top scored in the Championship twice. FFS why are you rubbishing a 23 year old with all that achieved at an age before Geaney even made an appearance?

Quote from: Mano on June 18, 2015, 02:56:39 PM

Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 18, 2015, 02:35:05 PM

O'Connors better than the Gooch? And you say my post was nonsense!

I didn't say he was better. Gooch is the best forward of the last 15 years. He hasn't played in 18 months, we will have to make a judgement on his form later in the year. If he gets back to anything near his best he is a better player than any other forward in the country.

Over Donaghy? No chance. Disagree
Over Connolly? No chance.  Can't compare - totally different player.
Over McBrearty? No chance. Disagree. He was a sub in last years championship
Over McManus? No chance. Agreed
Over McNamee? No chance. Disagree. Was an excellent point scorer a number of years ago but has been quiet last few years
Over Flynn? No chance. Different type of player, Flynn is a workhorse and an all rounder
Over Kingston? No chance. Based on what I saw against Kildare agreed
Over O'Neill? No chance. Agree

Quote from: rodney trotter on June 18, 2015, 07:03:12 PM
He is a good player, the other top 3 teams, Kerry, Dublin, Donegal have 2/3 forwards that can score heavy as well. Mayo don't really have that , and they would be fckd if O Connor got injured.

Quote from: rodney trotter on June 18, 2015, 07:12:31 PM
Saw these stats earlier. Andy Moran would be the highest scorer http://t.co/xgZpgBefSJ

Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 18, 2015, 06:22:23 PM
Gooch has already scored more from play than O'Connor this year. On current form and any other form you can think of, Gooch is miles ahead of O'Connor.

At least you agree with me that Murphy, Mac Niallais and others are forwards and are better than O'Connor.

We're talking about forwards. Connolly and Flynn are forwards. They are far superior to O'Connor. Donaghy is unmarkable on his day, you can't say that about O'Connor. From neautral view all the other players listed would be ranked higher than O'Connor.

Quote from: Syferus on June 18, 2015, 08:19:55 PM
Donaghy is a one trick pony. That trick can be very good if it works, if it doesn't he's woeful. It makes me think that the person who brought his name up in a conversation about the best forwards in the game is a troll. Actually it's pretty clear he is.

Quote from: rrhf on June 18, 2015, 08:32:13 PM

Quote from: Syferus on June 18, 2015, 08:19:55 PM
Donaghy is a one trick pony. That trick can be very good if it works, if it doesn't he's woeful. It makes me think that the person who brought his name up in a conversation about the best forwards in the game is a troll. Actually it's pretty clear he is.

The best forwards are the forwards who step up in Croke Park to win all irelands.  There are no better forwards in Mayo than Kerry or Dublin.  No offence to the Connaghat championship but if Ulster is a steak night its more a pig on a spit.   

Quote from: Shrewdness on June 18, 2015, 04:29:32 PM
It's not all that much over 24 hours since this thread started, and 11 pages already!!

Quote from: Mano on June 18, 2015, 07:46:42 PM

Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 18, 2015, 06:22:23 PM
Gooch has already scored more from play than O'Connor this year. On current form and any other form you can think of, Gooch is miles ahead of O'Connor.

At least you agree with me that Murphy, Mac Niallais and others are forwards and are better than O'Connor.

We're talking about forwards. Connolly and Flynn are forwards. They are far superior to O'Connor. Donaghy is unmarkable on his day, you can't say that about O'Connor. From neautral view all the other players listed would be ranked higher than O'Connor.

Against a mid table division 3 team.

I don't agree about Murphy and McNiallais. You cannot compare the 2. Both Donegal lads play half back/midfield. McNiallais is a strong athletic player but is not all- star standard yet unlike OConnor.
Donaghy day was about 5/6 years ago, you cannot tank him as one over the top forwards. Mayo, the referee and Donegal keeper gave him the headlines last year.

Quote from: maigheo on June 19, 2015, 01:33:53 AM
Brady first appeared for Mayo in 1996 and I would have to say I was very impressed by him .He had a lot of injuries during his career and for me he never fulfilled his potential.Do not know why he had to say that about O Connor except to get some publicity and I  guess it has worked

Quote from: larryin89 on June 19, 2015, 01:51:22 AM
Poor aul Brady not the brightest of bucks but he means no harm by the daft things he comes out with.

Cillian is so young still and is a massive talent , so important for Mayo for now and the future . I'd like him on the 40 though . My ideal forward line for 15 would be 

10 mcgloughlin

11 Cillian

12 Vaughan

13 Andy

14 AOS

15 ronaldson

Quote from: Syferus on June 18, 2015, 08:19:55 PM
Donaghy is a one trick pony. That trick can be very good if it works, if it doesn't he's woeful. It makes me think that the person who brought his name up in a conversation about the best forwards in the game is a troll. Actually it's pretty clear he is.

Quote from: rodney trotter on June 19, 2015, 07:50:03 AM
Former midfielder Brady rates the Ballintubber forward as the greatest he has ever seen play for the county. Asked why O'Connor is not getting the credit he deserves, he replied: "Because he's a Mayo man, that's the God's honest truth."

Brady added: "The whole question was have they got a marquee forward? Now everyone is seeing that he is a marquee forward. He carries himself well and he's a role model on and off the pitch. For me he is the best Mayo footballer I have ever seen. I have played with some of the heroes of the past but I see this guy as the ultimate team player and he is in the top two or three players in the country."


Brady said it on off the ball Monday night, shouldn't be hard to find a link

Quote from: rodney trotter on June 19, 2015, 07:50:03 AM
Former midfielder Brady rates the Ballintubber forward as the greatest he has ever seen play for the county. Asked why O'Connor is not getting the credit he deserves, he replied: "Because he's a Mayo man, that's the God's honest truth."

Brady added: "The whole question was have they got a marquee forward? Now everyone is seeing that he is a marquee forward. He carries himself well and he's a role model on and off the pitch. For me he is the best Mayo footballer I have ever seen. I have played with some of the heroes of the past but I see this guy as the ultimate team player and he is in the top two or three players in the country."


Brady said it on off the ball Monday night, shouldn't be hard to find a link

Quote from: larryin89 on June 19, 2015, 01:31:54 PM
Moysider, I'm certainly not denying Brady was a massive player for us, I'm just saying some of the stuff he comes out with doesn't help . Look at Kerry's media machine , all former players are careful and responsible in what they come out with . I'm not convinced Brady thinks about what he is saying , in the lead up to an all Ireland a couple of years ago he did the same on newstalk , the lads in there seemedto wind him up and get him to spill awful easy .

Quote from: larryin89 on June 19, 2015, 01:31:54 PM
Moysider, I'm certainly not denying Brady was a massive player for us, I'm just saying some of the stuff he comes out with doesn't help . Look at Kerry's media machine , all former players are careful and responsible in what they come out with . I'm not convinced Brady thinks about what he is saying , in the lead up to an all Ireland a couple of years ago he did the same on newstalk , the lads in there seemedto wind him up and get him to spill awful easy .

Quote from: moysider on June 19, 2015, 02:45:01 PM

Quote from: larryin89 on June 19, 2015, 01:31:54 PM
Moysider, I'm certainly not denying Brady was a massive player for us, I'm just saying some of the stuff he comes out with doesn't help . Look at Kerry's media machine , all former players are careful and responsible in what they come out with . I'm not convinced Brady thinks about what he is saying , in the lead up to an all Ireland a couple of years ago he did the same on newstalk , the lads in there seemedto wind him up and get him to spill awful easy .

He blathers away but nobody takes any of it too seriously I d imagine. No harm in it either. Ye don t see him stick the knife like a Brolly does.

If anything Kerry greats big-up their team and chances when the going gets serious each year. And rather than burdening the youngsters it seems to empower them. Last year being a good example when they were being dismissed early in the year.

Quote from: Syferus on June 19, 2015, 02:50:31 PM

Quote from: moysider on June 19, 2015, 02:45:01 PM

Quote from: larryin89 on June 19, 2015, 01:31:54 PM
Moysider, I'm certainly not denying Brady was a massive player for us, I'm just saying some of the stuff he comes out with doesn't help . Look at Kerry's media machine , all former players are careful and responsible in what they come out with . I'm not convinced Brady thinks about what he is saying , in the lead up to an all Ireland a couple of years ago he did the same on newstalk , the lads in there seemedto wind him up and get him to spill awful easy .

He blathers away but nobody takes any of it too seriously I d imagine. No harm in it either. Ye don t see him stick the knife like a Brolly does.

If anything Kerry greats big-up their team and chances when the going gets serious each year. And rather than burdening the youngsters it seems to empower them. Last year being a good example when they were being dismissed early in the year.

In fairness the shite he said about John Evans was as bad as anything Brolly's ever said. Call a spade a spade Moy.

Quote from: Shrewdness on June 19, 2015, 04:01:43 PM
What did Brady say about John Evans, Syferus?

Quote from: moysider on June 19, 2015, 03:27:13 PM

Quote from: Syferus on June 19, 2015, 02:50:31 PM

Quote from: moysider on June 19, 2015, 02:45:01 PM

Quote from: larryin89 on June 19, 2015, 01:31:54 PM
Moysider, I'm certainly not denying Brady was a massive player for us, I'm just saying some of the stuff he comes out with doesn't help . Look at Kerry's media machine , all former players are careful and responsible in what they come out with . I'm not convinced Brady thinks about what he is saying , in the lead up to an all Ireland a couple of years ago he did the same on newstalk , the lads in there seemedto wind him up and get him to spill awful easy .

He blathers away but nobody takes any of it too seriously I d imagine. No harm in it either. Ye don t see him stick the knife like a Brolly does.

If anything Kerry greats big-up their team and chances when the going gets serious each year. And rather than burdening the youngsters it seems to empower them. Last year being a good example when they were being dismissed early in the year.

In fairness the shite he said about John Evans was as bad as anything Brolly's ever said. Call a spade a spade Moy.

Must have missed that. What did he say about Evans?

I confess I don t hear or read everything he does. Anything I ve come across from him is mostly guff.

Quote from: moysider on June 19, 2015, 06:04:07 PM

Ah that's harmless enough. And it was a strange move by Evans in fairness.
Loyalty and team were always very important to Brady ;) Red and Green to the core - both club and county.

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 02:30:00 PM

Quote from: Keyser soze on June 17, 2015, 02:18:22 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 02:09:25 PM
I don't think he's even close. He's young yet so he has plenty of time to develop but I think his all round game is lacking, he's a very reliable free taker but he needs to bring a lot more to his game than that to be one of the top full forwards in the game. He'd definitely be behind the likes of Brogan, McManus, McBrearty, O'Donoghue and O'Neill for me right now and there might be a few more along with that. O'Shea and Higgins are more important on the Mayo team at the moment, for starters.

When did they all transfer to Mayo?? Right that's it Im joining the MFS campaign right now, unbeatable with that forward line!!

Sorry Rossies.

It's a general point on O'Connor. If Mayo's greatest ever player isn't even in the top 5/6 in his position at the current time in his career then what does that tell you? Keith Higgins would have few equals across the country at the moment and likewise Aidan O'Shea and that's just current players playing today.

This Mayo team is a fine, fine team and they have lots of good players but I feel too much gets made of O'Connor in terms of what he has done. I don't know the stats on hand but his scoring seems to be heavily reliant on frees. I haven't seen anything particularly special about him, he's an excellent freetaker but he needs to improve his all round game and I appreciate he is still young and has plenty of time to do that.

It's a mad statement from Brady. Dermot Earley had some odd stat about Mayo's win rate with O'Connor as opposed to without on the Sunday Game at the weekend. O'Connor has taken part in all of Mayo's Championship defeats since 2011 as far as I'm aware?

Quote from: blanketattack on June 19, 2015, 10:41:22 AM

Quote from: Syferus on June 18, 2015, 08:19:55 PM
Donaghy is a one trick pony. That trick can be very good if it works, if it doesn't he's woeful. It makes me think that the person who brought his name up in a conversation about the best forwards in the game is a troll. Actually it's pretty clear he is.

I count a fair few tricks I've seen by him
High ball in, get round his man and score a goal
High ball in and offload it to the likes of Gooch, jod or Eoin Brosnan for a goal or point
Low ball in and put it over the bar most notably 50 yard efforts by the wing v Cork and Dublin
Low/hand passed ball in and an extremely fast accurate offload to a teammate before goalie or back has a chance to react.
Come out to midfield and make some great catches.
Make some great catches in and round his own square for long range frees/ frees dropped in when a goal is required.

Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 19, 2015, 09:45:39 PM
He has 2-06 from open play from in 5 semi final appearances and 2 finals. It's not a bad return but  he's clearly going to have to score more from play to be considered one of the best forwards in the game.

Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on June 19, 2015, 09:12:41 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 02:30:00 PM

Quote from: Keyser soze on June 17, 2015, 02:18:22 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 02:09:25 PM
I don't think he's even close. He's young yet so he has plenty of time to develop but I think his all round game is lacking, he's a very reliable free taker but he needs to bring a lot more to his game than that to be one of the top full forwards in the game. He'd definitely be behind the likes of Brogan, McManus, McBrearty, O'Donoghue and O'Neill for me right now and there might be a few more along with that. O'Shea and Higgins are more important on the Mayo team at the moment, for starters.

When did they all transfer to Mayo?? Right that's it Im joining the MFS campaign right now, unbeatable with that forward line!!

Sorry Rossies.

It's a general point on O'Connor. If Mayo's greatest ever player isn't even in the top 5/6 in his position at the current time in his career then what does that tell you? Keith Higgins would have few equals across the country at the moment and likewise Aidan O'Shea and that's just current players playing today.

This Mayo team is a fine, fine team and they have lots of good players but I feel too much gets made of O'Connor in terms of what he has done. I don't know the stats on hand but his scoring seems to be heavily reliant on frees. I haven't seen anything particularly special about him, he's an excellent freetaker but he needs to improve his all round game and I appreciate he is still young and has plenty of time to do that.

It's a mad statement from Brady. Dermot Earley had some odd stat about Mayo's win rate with O'Connor as opposed to without on the Sunday Game at the weekend. O'Connor has taken part in all of Mayo's Championship defeats since 2011 as far as I'm aware?

Your point is he has played 4 games in 4 years? Because that's how many they've lost... 4

Quote from: sligoman on June 19, 2015, 09:55:32 PM

Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on June 19, 2015, 09:12:41 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 02:30:00 PM

Quote from: Keyser soze on June 17, 2015, 02:18:22 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 02:09:25 PM
I don't think he's even close. He's young yet so he has plenty of time to develop but I think his all round game is lacking, he's a very reliable free taker but he needs to bring a lot more to his game than that to be one of the top full forwards in the game. He'd definitely be behind the likes of Brogan, McManus, McBrearty, O'Donoghue and O'Neill for me right now and there might be a few more along with that. O'Shea and Higgins are more important on the Mayo team at the moment, for starters.

When did they all transfer to Mayo?? Right that's it Im joining the MFS campaign right now, unbeatable with that forward line!!

Sorry Rossies.

It's a general point on O'Connor. If Mayo's greatest ever player isn't even in the top 5/6 in his position at the current time in his career then what does that tell you? Keith Higgins would have few equals across the country at the moment and likewise Aidan O'Shea and that's just current players playing today.

This Mayo team is a fine, fine team and they have lots of good players but I feel too much gets made of O'Connor in terms of what he has done. I don't know the stats on hand but his scoring seems to be heavily reliant on frees. I haven't seen anything particularly special about him, he's an excellent freetaker but he needs to improve his all round game and I appreciate he is still young and has plenty of time to do that.

It's a mad statement from Brady. Dermot Earley had some odd stat about Mayo's win rate with O'Connor as opposed to without on the Sunday Game at the weekend. O'Connor has taken part in all of Mayo's Championship defeats since 2011 as far as I'm aware?

Your point is he has played 4 games in 4 years? Because that's how many they've lost... 4

I said that Earley's statistic was strange. He pointed to some statistic that Mayo are much less likely to win without O'Connor but when it has come to Championship football O'Connor has appeared in all their Championship defeats over the past 4 years. It's obviously taking league games into account but I don't think Mayo have taken the league all that seriously over the past few years.

Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on June 19, 2015, 09:50:01 PM

Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 19, 2015, 09:45:39 PM
He has 2-06 from open play from in 5 semi final appearances and 2 finals. It's not a bad return but  he's clearly going to have to score more from play to be considered one of the best forwards in the game.

11-58 in the championship last 2 seasons

Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on June 19, 2015, 09:58:22 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 19, 2015, 09:55:32 PM

Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on June 19, 2015, 09:12:41 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 02:30:00 PM

Quote from: Keyser soze on June 17, 2015, 02:18:22 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 02:09:25 PM
I don't think he's even close. He's young yet so he has plenty of time to develop but I think his all round game is lacking, he's a very reliable free taker but he needs to bring a lot more to his game than that to be one of the top full forwards in the game. He'd definitely be behind the likes of Brogan, McManus, McBrearty, O'Donoghue and O'Neill for me right now and there might be a few more along with that. O'Shea and Higgins are more important on the Mayo team at the moment, for starters.

When did they all transfer to Mayo?? Right that's it Im joining the MFS campaign right now, unbeatable with that forward line!!

Sorry Rossies.

It's a general point on O'Connor. If Mayo's greatest ever player isn't even in the top 5/6 in his position at the current time in his career then what does that tell you? Keith Higgins would have few equals across the country at the moment and likewise Aidan O'Shea and that's just current players playing today.

This Mayo team is a fine, fine team and they have lots of good players but I feel too much gets made of O'Connor in terms of what he has done. I don't know the stats on hand but his scoring seems to be heavily reliant on frees. I haven't seen anything particularly special about him, he's an excellent freetaker but he needs to improve his all round game and I appreciate he is still young and has plenty of time to do that.

It's a mad statement from Brady. Dermot Earley had some odd stat about Mayo's win rate with O'Connor as opposed to without on the Sunday Game at the weekend. O'Connor has taken part in all of Mayo's Championship defeats since 2011 as far as I'm aware?

Your point is he has played 4 games in 4 years? Because that's how many they've lost... 4

I said that Earley's statistic was strange. He pointed to some statistic that Mayo are much less likely to win without O'Connor but when it has come to Championship football O'Connor has appeared in all their Championship defeats over the past 4 years. It's obviously taking league games into account but I don't think Mayo have taken the league all that seriously over the past few years.

My point is he has played in most games

Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 19, 2015, 10:05:18 PM

Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on June 19, 2015, 09:50:01 PM

Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 19, 2015, 09:45:39 PM
He has 2-06 from open play from in 5 semi final appearances and 2 finals. It's not a bad return but  he's clearly going to have to score more from play to be considered one of the best forwards in the game.

11-58 in the championship last 2 seasons

Like all the great players they are judged on the big days and not against the likes of New York, London and one of the worst Galway teams for a long time. In fairness he had good games against Kerry last year but will need more of the same will be required to be considered one of the greats.

Quote from: sligoman on June 19, 2015, 10:12:56 PM

Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on June 19, 2015, 09:58:22 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 19, 2015, 09:55:32 PM

Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on June 19, 2015, 09:12:41 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 02:30:00 PM

Quote from: Keyser soze on June 17, 2015, 02:18:22 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 02:09:25 PM
I don't think he's even close. He's young yet so he has plenty of time to develop but I think his all round game is lacking, he's a very reliable free taker but he needs to bring a lot more to his game than that to be one of the top full forwards in the game. He'd definitely be behind the likes of Brogan, McManus, McBrearty, O'Donoghue and O'Neill for me right now and there might be a few more along with that. O'Shea and Higgins are more important on the Mayo team at the moment, for starters.

When did they all transfer to Mayo?? Right that's it Im joining the MFS campaign right now, unbeatable with that forward line!!

Sorry Rossies.

It's a general point on O'Connor. If Mayo's greatest ever player isn't even in the top 5/6 in his position at the current time in his career then what does that tell you? Keith Higgins would have few equals across the country at the moment and likewise Aidan O'Shea and that's just current players playing today.

This Mayo team is a fine, fine team and they have lots of good players but I feel too much gets made of O'Connor in terms of what he has done. I don't know the stats on hand but his scoring seems to be heavily reliant on frees. I haven't seen anything particularly special about him, he's an excellent freetaker but he needs to improve his all round game and I appreciate he is still young and has plenty of time to do that.

It's a mad statement from Brady. Dermot Earley had some odd stat about Mayo's win rate with O'Connor as opposed to without on the Sunday Game at the weekend. O'Connor has taken part in all of Mayo's Championship defeats since 2011 as far as I'm aware?

Your point is he has played 4 games in 4 years? Because that's how many they've lost... 4

I said that Earley's statistic was strange. He pointed to some statistic that Mayo are much less likely to win without O'Connor but when it has come to Championship football O'Connor has appeared in all their Championship defeats over the past 4 years. It's obviously taking league games into account but I don't think Mayo have taken the league all that seriously over the past few years.

My point is he has played in most games

Yes of course he does but that doesn't suggest of a reliance on him to win games or Mayo are in bother if he's not there.

Quote from: rodney trotter on June 19, 2015, 10:30:34 PM
That was my point earlier. Aidan O Shea etc aren't going to be knocking up big scores.

Quote from: sligoman on June 19, 2015, 09:55:32 PM

Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on June 19, 2015, 09:12:41 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 02:30:00 PM

Quote from: Keyser soze on June 17, 2015, 02:18:22 PM

Quote from: sligoman on June 17, 2015, 02:09:25 PM
I don't think he's even close. He's young yet so he has plenty of time to develop but I think his all round game is lacking, he's a very reliable free taker but he needs to bring a lot more to his game than that to be one of the top full forwards in the game. He'd definitely be behind the likes of Brogan, McManus, McBrearty, O'Donoghue and O'Neill for me right now and there might be a few more along with that. O'Shea and Higgins are more important on the Mayo team at the moment, for starters.

When did they all transfer to Mayo?? Right that's it Im joining the MFS campaign right now, unbeatable with that forward line!!

Sorry Rossies.

It's a general point on O'Connor. If Mayo's greatest ever player isn't even in the top 5/6 in his position at the current time in his career then what does that tell you? Keith Higgins would have few equals across the country at the moment and likewise Aidan O'Shea and that's just current players playing today.

This Mayo team is a fine, fine team and they have lots of good players but I feel too much gets made of O'Connor in terms of what he has done. I don't know the stats on hand but his scoring seems to be heavily reliant on frees. I haven't seen anything particularly special about him, he's an excellent freetaker but he needs to improve his all round game and I appreciate he is still young and has plenty of time to do that.

It's a mad statement from Brady. Dermot Earley had some odd stat about Mayo's win rate with O'Connor as opposed to without on the Sunday Game at the weekend. O'Connor has taken part in all of Mayo's Championship defeats since 2011 as far as I'm aware?

Your point is he has played 4 games in 4 years? Because that's how many they've lost... 4

I said that Earley's statistic was strange. He pointed to some statistic that Mayo are much less likely to win without O'Connor but when it has come to Championship football O'Connor has appeared in all their Championship defeats over the past 4 years. It's obviously taking league games into account but I don't think Mayo have taken the league all that seriously over the past few years.

Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on June 19, 2015, 10:35:18 PM

Quote from: rodney trotter on June 19, 2015, 10:30:34 PM
That was my point earlier. Aidan O Shea etc aren't going to be knocking up big scores.

Exactly

Quote from: muppet on July 27, 2015, 05:12:37 PM

Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on June 19, 2015, 10:35:18 PM

Quote from: rodney trotter on June 19, 2015, 10:30:34 PM
That was my point earlier. Aidan O Shea etc aren't going to be knocking up big scores.

Exactly

Hmmmm.....

Quote from: magpie seanie on July 27, 2015, 05:16:56 PM

Quote from: muppet on July 27, 2015, 05:12:37 PM

Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on June 19, 2015, 10:35:18 PM

Quote from: rodney trotter on June 19, 2015, 10:30:34 PM
That was my point earlier. Aidan O Shea etc aren't going to be knocking up big scores.

Exactly

Hmmmm.....

He'll not get it as handy again to be fair.

Quote from: rrhf on July 28, 2015, 07:09:30 AM
Aidan has a consistency problem.  His talent is not in question.

Quote from: larryin89 on July 28, 2015, 07:03:03 PM

Quote from: rrhf on July 28, 2015, 07:09:30 AM
Aidan has a consistency problem.  His talent is not in question.

He is consistently fouled and doesn't get fair game from officials , it annoys the fook out of me. It's like he is penalised for being big and robust.

Quote from: From the Bunker on July 28, 2015, 07:06:10 PM

Quote from: larryin89 on July 28, 2015, 07:03:03 PM

Quote from: rrhf on July 28, 2015, 07:09:30 AM
Aidan has a consistency problem.  His talent is not in question.

He is consistently fouled and doesn't get fair game from officials , it annoys the fook out of me. It's like he is penalised for being big and robust.

In fairness he is well able to mind himself.

Quote from: larryin89 on July 28, 2015, 07:18:17 PM

Quote from: From the Bunker on July 28, 2015, 07:06:10 PM

Quote from: larryin89 on July 28, 2015, 07:03:03 PM

Quote from: rrhf on July 28, 2015, 07:09:30 AM
Aidan has a consistency problem.  His talent is not in question.

He is consistently fouled and doesn't get fair game from officials , it annoys the fook out of me. It's like he is penalised for being big and robust.

In fairness he is well able to mind himself.

Oh I agree but that's not what I'm saying, I mean others get fouls far easier where as with Aidan a defender seems to have licence to foul without punishment . Take finian Hanley in the Galway game , he never friggin stopped , an early yellow and aido would of bagged a couple of goals. It's a pet hate of mine this last four years tbh.

Quote from: Zulu on August 30, 2015, 06:30:19 PM
To be fair COC isn't doing enough from play to be ranked amongst the best forwards but he was phenomenal from dead balls today and Mayo needed that. His penalty was outstanding.

Quote from: easytiger95 on August 30, 2015, 08:11:56 PM
I'd have him on my team anytime - dead eyed today from the placed ball and when nothing is going right up front (which for 55 mins was the case for Mayo) having someone that calm and reliable over frees is invaluable. If Dublin's freetakers had been on form we'd be in a final.

Cannot get over the amount of slagging of players and posters happening all across the board - most of it based on the premise that if Tyrone got slagged then Dublin/Mayo must be slagged as well. Seriously wondering why i even bother logging in.

Great credit due to Mayo for the comeback, but a lot of things went wrong for Dublin today - discipline was bad, losing ROC so early was a huge blow, and to be honest, I've no excuses to make for Connolly anymore - his temperament willl never change and will always be exploited by other teams.

All that said, I think Dublin have the bigger capacity to improve, whilst Mayo played to the limit of their abilities, certainly upfront. they are short class forwards, whilst we are not, so if we even get a 10% improvement out the field we should be able to win the replay.

BTW posting this here as I don't want to get in the maelstorm of shitetalk happening on the match thread. Well done to Mayo, incredible comeback, seconds out for next week.

Quote from: muppet on August 30, 2015, 08:24:03 PM

Quote from: easytiger95 on August 30, 2015, 08:11:56 PM
I'd have him on my team anytime - dead eyed today from the placed ball and when nothing is going right up front (which for 55 mins was the case for Mayo) having someone that calm and reliable over frees is invaluable. If Dublin's freetakers had been on form we'd be in a final.

Cannot get over the amount of slagging of players and posters happening all across the board - most of it based on the premise that if Tyrone got slagged then Dublin/Mayo must be slagged as well. Seriously wondering why i even bother logging in.

Great credit due to Mayo for the comeback, but a lot of things went wrong for Dublin today - discipline was bad, losing ROC so early was a huge blow, and to be honest, I've no excuses to make for Connolly anymore - his temperament willl never change and will always be exploited by other teams.

All that said, I think Dublin have the bigger capacity to improve, whilst Mayo played to the limit of their abilities, certainly upfront. they are short class forwards, whilst we are not, so if we even get a 10% improvement out the field we should be able to win the replay.

BTW posting this here as I don't want to get in the maelstorm of shitetalk happening on the match thread. Well done to Mayo, incredible comeback, seconds out for next week.

Good post. I was looking forward to a proper discussion here but got sucked into the fantasies of a couple of fools above.

I would disagree on the capacity to improve though. That was our worst performance in years. Surely we can play for more than 7 minutes the next day? Our unheralded subs did pretty well as well, especially Patrick Durkan.

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 30, 2015, 08:28:44 PM

Quote from: muppet on August 30, 2015, 08:24:03 PM

Quote from: easytiger95 on August 30, 2015, 08:11:56 PM
I'd have him on my team anytime - dead eyed today from the placed ball and when nothing is going right up front (which for 55 mins was the case for Mayo) having someone that calm and reliable over frees is invaluable. If Dublin's freetakers had been on form we'd be in a final.

Cannot get over the amount of slagging of players and posters happening all across the board - most of it based on the premise that if Tyrone got slagged then Dublin/Mayo must be slagged as well. Seriously wondering why i even bother logging in.

Great credit due to Mayo for the comeback, but a lot of things went wrong for Dublin today - discipline was bad, losing ROC so early was a huge blow, and to be honest, I've no excuses to make for Connolly anymore - his temperament willl never change and will always be exploited by other teams.

All that said, I think Dublin have the bigger capacity to improve, whilst Mayo played to the limit of their abilities, certainly upfront. they are short class forwards, whilst we are not, so if we even get a 10% improvement out the field we should be able to win the replay.

BTW posting this here as I don't want to get in the maelstorm of shitetalk happening on the match thread. Well done to Mayo, incredible comeback, seconds out for next week.

Good post. I was looking forward to a proper discussion here but got sucked into the fantasies of a couple of fools above.

I would disagree on the capacity to improve though. That was our worst performance in years. Surely we can play for more than 7 minutes the next day? Our unheralded subs did pretty well as well, especially Patrick Durkan.

He's not helped by the hyperbole some people attach to him, if he's one of the best forwards in the game then you'd be expecting him to be putting in big performances fitting of one. I know he is young but too often he has been really poor from open play. Great free taker though but I wouldn't have him in the top 10 forwards around.

Quote from: muppet on August 30, 2015, 08:24:03 PM

Quote from: easytiger95 on August 30, 2015, 08:11:56 PM
I'd have him on my team anytime - dead eyed today from the placed ball and when nothing is going right up front (which for 55 mins was the case for Mayo) having someone that calm and reliable over frees is invaluable. If Dublin's freetakers had been on form we'd be in a final.

Cannot get over the amount of slagging of players and posters happening all across the board - most of it based on the premise that if Tyrone got slagged then Dublin/Mayo must be slagged as well. Seriously wondering why i even bother logging in.

Great credit due to Mayo for the comeback, but a lot of things went wrong for Dublin today - discipline was bad, losing ROC so early was a huge blow, and to be honest, I've no excuses to make for Connolly anymore - his temperament willl never change and will always be exploited by other teams.

All that said, I think Dublin have the bigger capacity to improve, whilst Mayo played to the limit of their abilities, certainly upfront. they are short class forwards, whilst we are not, so if we even get a 10% improvement out the field we should be able to win the replay.

BTW posting this here as I don't want to get in the maelstorm of shitetalk happening on the match thread. Well done to Mayo, incredible comeback, seconds out for next week.

Good post. I was looking forward to a proper discussion here but got sucked into the fantasies of a couple of fools above.

I would disagree on the capacity to improve though. That was our worst performance in years. Surely we can play for more than 7 minutes the next day? Our unheralded subs did pretty well as well, especially Patrick Durkan.

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 30, 2015, 08:28:44 PM

Quote from: muppet on August 30, 2015, 08:24:03 PM

Quote from: easytiger95 on August 30, 2015, 08:11:56 PM
I'd have him on my team anytime - dead eyed today from the placed ball and when nothing is going right up front (which for 55 mins was the case for Mayo) having someone that calm and reliable over frees is invaluable. If Dublin's freetakers had been on form we'd be in a final.

Cannot get over the amount of slagging of players and posters happening all across the board - most of it based on the premise that if Tyrone got slagged then Dublin/Mayo must be slagged as well. Seriously wondering why i even bother logging in.

Great credit due to Mayo for the comeback, but a lot of things went wrong for Dublin today - discipline was bad, losing ROC so early was a huge blow, and to be honest, I've no excuses to make for Connolly anymore - his temperament willl never change and will always be exploited by other teams.

All that said, I think Dublin have the bigger capacity to improve, whilst Mayo played to the limit of their abilities, certainly upfront. they are short class forwards, whilst we are not, so if we even get a 10% improvement out the field we should be able to win the replay.

BTW posting this here as I don't want to get in the maelstorm of shitetalk happening on the match thread. Well done to Mayo, incredible comeback, seconds out for next week.

Good post. I was looking forward to a proper discussion here but got sucked into the fantasies of a couple of fools above.

I would disagree on the capacity to improve though. That was our worst performance in years. Surely we can play for more than 7 minutes the next day? Our unheralded subs did pretty well as well, especially Patrick Durkan.

He's not helped by the hyperbole some people attach to him, if he's one of the best forwards in the game then you'd be expecting him to be putting in big performances fitting of one. I know he is young but too often he has been really poor from open play. Great free taker though but I wouldn't have him in the top 10 forwards around.

Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on August 30, 2015, 09:30:50 PM
There is nothing flashy about him and his form in general is below par in comparison to recent seasons. When on form he is one of the most effective forwards in the country, he is usually very accurate, an excellent ball winner, one of the best tacklers in the country and he possesses great leadership skills too. There is no team in the country where he would not be a key player.

Quote from: BennyHarp on August 30, 2015, 08:37:14 PM

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 30, 2015, 08:28:44 PM

Quote from: muppet on August 30, 2015, 08:24:03 PM

Quote from: easytiger95 on August 30, 2015, 08:11:56 PM
I'd have him on my team anytime - dead eyed today from the placed ball and when nothing is going right up front (which for 55 mins was the case for Mayo) having someone that calm and reliable over frees is invaluable. If Dublin's freetakers had been on form we'd be in a final.

Cannot get over the amount of slagging of players and posters happening all across the board - most of it based on the premise that if Tyrone got slagged then Dublin/Mayo must be slagged as well. Seriously wondering why i even bother logging in.

Great credit due to Mayo for the comeback, but a lot of things went wrong for Dublin today - discipline was bad, losing ROC so early was a huge blow, and to be honest, I've no excuses to make for Connolly anymore - his temperament willl never change and will always be exploited by other teams.

All that said, I think Dublin have the bigger capacity to improve, whilst Mayo played to the limit of their abilities, certainly upfront. they are short class forwards, whilst we are not, so if we even get a 10% improvement out the field we should be able to win the replay.

BTW posting this here as I don't want to get in the maelstorm of shitetalk happening on the match thread. Well done to Mayo, incredible comeback, seconds out for next week.

Good post. I was looking forward to a proper discussion here but got sucked into the fantasies of a couple of fools above.

I would disagree on the capacity to improve though. That was our worst performance in years. Surely we can play for more than 7 minutes the next day? Our unheralded subs did pretty well as well, especially Patrick Durkan.

He's not helped by the hyperbole some people attach to him, if he's one of the best forwards in the game then you'd be expecting him to be putting in big performances fitting of one. I know he is young but too often he has been really poor from open play. Great free taker though but I wouldn't have him in the top 10 forwards around.

On the basis of today and your analysis, we wouldn't have Bernard Brogan, Diarmuid Connelly, Paul Flynn or Aiden O'Se as being in the top 10 either. Come to think of it, Gooch and O'Donoghue where quiet enough last week too, as was Cavannagh. So, does this mean none of the country's top 10 forwards are in the top 4 teams? O'Connor kicked 1-9 today, pressure was on and he responded, had he been in a Tyrone jersey last week, we might just be sitting in an AI final.

Quote from: Jinxy on August 31, 2015, 09:04:02 AM
He has an odd kicking style from the hand which means he needs more space than most inside forwards to shoot.
See that point Berno got towards the end of the game off his left?
Cillian would never have got that shot off.
He leans too much when he kicks.

Quote from: BennyHarp on August 30, 2015, 08:37:14 PM

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 30, 2015, 08:28:44 PM

Quote from: muppet on August 30, 2015, 08:24:03 PM

Quote from: easytiger95 on August 30, 2015, 08:11:56 PM
I'd have him on my team anytime - dead eyed today from the placed ball and when nothing is going right up front (which for 55 mins was the case for Mayo) having someone that calm and reliable over frees is invaluable. If Dublin's freetakers had been on form we'd be in a final.

Cannot get over the amount of slagging of players and posters happening all across the board - most of it based on the premise that if Tyrone got slagged then Dublin/Mayo must be slagged as well. Seriously wondering why i even bother logging in.

Great credit due to Mayo for the comeback, but a lot of things went wrong for Dublin today - discipline was bad, losing ROC so early was a huge blow, and to be honest, I've no excuses to make for Connolly anymore - his temperament willl never change and will always be exploited by other teams.

All that said, I think Dublin have the bigger capacity to improve, whilst Mayo played to the limit of their abilities, certainly upfront. they are short class forwards, whilst we are not, so if we even get a 10% improvement out the field we should be able to win the replay.

BTW posting this here as I don't want to get in the maelstorm of shitetalk happening on the match thread. Well done to Mayo, incredible comeback, seconds out for next week.

Good post. I was looking forward to a proper discussion here but got sucked into the fantasies of a couple of fools above.

I would disagree on the capacity to improve though. That was our worst performance in years. Surely we can play for more than 7 minutes the next day? Our unheralded subs did pretty well as well, especially Patrick Durkan.

He's not helped by the hyperbole some people attach to him, if he's one of the best forwards in the game then you'd be expecting him to be putting in big performances fitting of one. I know he is young but too often he has been really poor from open play. Great free taker though but I wouldn't have him in the top 10 forwards around.

On the basis of today and your analysis, we wouldn't have Bernard Brogan, Diarmuid Connelly, Paul Flynn or Aiden O'Se as being in the top 10 either. Come to think of it, Gooch and O'Donoghue where quiet enough last week too, as was Cavannagh. So, does this mean none of the country's top 10 forwards are in the top 4 teams? O'Connor kicked 1-9 today, pressure was on and he responded, had he been in a Tyrone jersey last week, we might just be sitting in an AI final.

Quote from: nrico2006 on August 31, 2015, 09:55:09 AM

Quote from: BennyHarp on August 30, 2015, 08:37:14 PM

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 30, 2015, 08:28:44 PM

Quote from: muppet on August 30, 2015, 08:24:03 PM

Quote from: easytiger95 on August 30, 2015, 08:11:56 PM
I'd have him on my team anytime - dead eyed today from the placed ball and when nothing is going right up front (which for 55 mins was the case for Mayo) having someone that calm and reliable over frees is invaluable. If Dublin's freetakers had been on form we'd be in a final.

Cannot get over the amount of slagging of players and posters happening all across the board - most of it based on the premise that if Tyrone got slagged then Dublin/Mayo must be slagged as well. Seriously wondering why i even bother logging in.

Great credit due to Mayo for the comeback, but a lot of things went wrong for Dublin today - discipline was bad, losing ROC so early was a huge blow, and to be honest, I've no excuses to make for Connolly anymore - his temperament willl never change and will always be exploited by other teams.

All that said, I think Dublin have the bigger capacity to improve, whilst Mayo played to the limit of their abilities, certainly upfront. they are short class forwards, whilst we are not, so if we even get a 10% improvement out the field we should be able to win the replay.

BTW posting this here as I don't want to get in the maelstorm of shitetalk happening on the match thread. Well done to Mayo, incredible comeback, seconds out for next week.

Good post. I was looking forward to a proper discussion here but got sucked into the fantasies of a couple of fools above.

I would disagree on the capacity to improve though. That was our worst performance in years. Surely we can play for more than 7 minutes the next day? Our unheralded subs did pretty well as well, especially Patrick Durkan.

He's not helped by the hyperbole some people attach to him, if he's one of the best forwards in the game then you'd be expecting him to be putting in big performances fitting of one. I know he is young but too often he has been really poor from open play. Great free taker though but I wouldn't have him in the top 10 forwards around.

On the basis of today and your analysis, we wouldn't have Bernard Brogan, Diarmuid Connelly, Paul Flynn or Aiden O'Se as being in the top 10 either. Come to think of it, Gooch and O'Donoghue where quiet enough last week too, as was Cavannagh. So, does this mean none of the country's top 10 forwards are in the top 4 teams? O'Connor kicked 1-9 today, pressure was on and he responded, had he been in a Tyrone jersey last week, we might just be sitting in an AI final.

Flynn and O'Se would'nt be in the top 10 forwards about no matter what.  I think a lot of people don't give Bernard Brogan the credit he deserves, he has an unbelievable conversion rate and can score every type of score there is.  If COC was on the Tyrone team he would just add to the problem Tyrone currently have which is the main reason they aren't in an All Ireland final - because they have too many forwards who don't offer enough from play.

Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on August 31, 2015, 08:47:02 AM
Cillian O'Connor's head is so generic looking its weird. He could be the default player profile on Fifa