It would appear that people are giving the plot away.
For those that have seen further into the series and wish to discuss plot veers and swerves, do it here.
What has been told?
Quote from: Denn Forever on June 12, 2015, 01:42:44 PM
It would appear that people are giving the plot away.
For those that have seen further into the series and wish to discuss plot veers and swerves, do it here.
This relating to who Jon Snow's mother (apparently) is?
in case any of ye's didn't see Jon Snow at the dinner party (quare craic)
https://youtu.be/BabsgCQhpu4
So what are the spoilers? You promised me spoilers.
Ned Stark makes a come back
Spoiler:
Its all a dream.
End of Season 8 will see Ned Stark walking out of the room with a Bucket with hole's in it hanging from the rafters with water been poured into it by a old servant woman and saying "Ive just have the weirdest fecking dream ever" as he rubs his neck.
Turns out they are all giants and Tyrion is actually the normal sized one
I read the books a couple of years back and it's clear from reading them that the author had intended Jon Snow's mother and Ned stark's brother who disappeared north of the wall to play some future role. There was also the youngest Stark who went into hiding with the wildling girl. Caitlin wasn't actually dead either and the other lad became part of a tree?? I suppose the series and the books don't match at this point however so there's no guarantee that Martin's vision will match HBOs.
If the series is true to the latest book the scene where they attempt to cross-breed the dragon with a lion will be some craic!
BUMP............ >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Norn Iron is shit.
Anyone here any Jon Snow rumours?
Quote from: gawa316 on June 16, 2015, 04:53:56 PM
Anyone here any Jon Snow rumours?
I hear he's going to wear a poppy on screen this year.
I heard he knows nothing.
Quote from: gawa316 on June 16, 2015, 04:53:56 PM
Anyone here any Jon Snow rumours?
Hopefully the arrival of Melisandre at The Wall has some significance, a lot of people believe she could possibly bring him back in the same way that Beric Dondarrion was brought back.
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 17, 2015, 08:15:41 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on June 16, 2015, 04:53:56 PM
Anyone here any Jon Snow rumours?
Hopefully the arrival of Melisandre at The Wall has some significance, a lot of people believe she could possibly bring him back in the same way that Beric Dondarrion was brought back.
yip,
thought that myself, but she'd be a busy girl as we're not so sure Stannis, reek and Sansa, even Cersie's daughter all actually bit the dust.
Don't fancy Danaery's chances now, after the dragon gave up the ghost and the Glenariffe hurlers swarmed around her ;)
Snow the bastard will become a white walker and infiltrate the ww army but remain true to the watch...they didn't burn the body and he had a 'moment' with the head walker, you heard it here first...
Quote from: johnneycool on June 17, 2015, 09:40:55 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 17, 2015, 08:15:41 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on June 16, 2015, 04:53:56 PM
Anyone here any Jon Snow rumours?
Hopefully the arrival of Melisandre at The Wall has some significance, a lot of people believe she could possibly bring him back in the same way that Beric Dondarrion was brought back.
yip,
thought that myself, but she'd be a busy girl as we're not so sure Stannis, reek and Sansa, even Cersie's daughter all actually bit the dust.
Don't fancy Danaery's chances now, after the dragon gave up the ghost and the Glenariffe hurlers swarmed around her ;)
I would say Stannis is done and the Lannister daughter too. Reek and Sansa will be fine but I think Snow is very important to the show and the complete story. The next season is bound to show more on Brann etc and what has happened there. I am sort of shocked that Melisandre was wrong about Stannis though, I was wondering was she just trying to get rid of him but she genuinely seemed shocked that she was wrong.
I wonder if Khalisi has ended up with a rival or ally tribe of her former husband?
Never liked Cersei, but am hoping she unleashes the mountain and sorts out those bible bashers. I see the point made the other day about how you grow to like certain characters that you shouldn't due to their past bad deeds, with Jamie Lannister being one who I really like yet he was a sc**bag in season 1 but seems to have changed his spots since. Enjoyed the scene with him and his daughter.
There are other rumours on Snow that are based around his supposed Targaryen blood and that he will be sort of reincarnated if an attempt to burn his body is made (which is custom by the nights watch - yet a counter argument to that theory is old Aemon Targaryen was placed on a pyre and was seemingly going to be burnt, not sure if it was shown though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShFJ4G5zcD4
Too close to reality!!! Shakin' like a wee dogs dick!!!
Director said he only cut from Stannis' beheading because it would be too gruesome. He's dead and his story really would make little sense continuing after what has happened.
Quote from: Syferus on June 19, 2015, 02:32:13 PM
Director said he only cut from Stannis' beheading because it would be too gruesome. He's dead and his story really would make little sense continuing after what has happened.
Totally. It was fairly clear that after Stannis's burning the daughter, the wife's suicide his men deserting him and the red witch jumping ship he was a beat man and his march on Winterfell was a suicide mission. He knew he hadn't a hope on foot and wanted to die.
The big blonde bitch had no reason so spare him either.
Quote from: Syferus on June 19, 2015, 02:32:13 PM
Director said he only cut from Stannis' beheading because it would be too gruesome.
But the Mountain exploding yer man's head was grand!!
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 17, 2015, 08:15:41 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on June 16, 2015, 04:53:56 PM
Anyone here any Jon Snow rumours?
Hopefully the arrival of Melisandre at The Wall has some significance, a lot of people believe she could possibly bring him back in the same way that Beric Dondarrion was brought back.
Aye heard that myself as well as the Targaryen stuff. Hope it's true.
Did the dragon actually die?
Quote from: gawa316 on June 19, 2015, 04:48:14 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 19, 2015, 02:32:13 PM
Director said he only cut from Stannis' beheading because it would be too gruesome.
But the Mountain exploding yer man's head was grand!!
Different directors different sensibilities.
Quote from: gawa316 on June 19, 2015, 04:48:14 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 19, 2015, 02:32:13 PM
Director said he only cut from Stannis' beheading because it would be too gruesome.
But the Mountain exploding yer man's head was grand!!
That was such a great scene, real "WTF" moment.
Quote from: gawa316 on June 19, 2015, 04:50:30 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 17, 2015, 08:15:41 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on June 16, 2015, 04:53:56 PM
Anyone here any Jon Snow rumours?
Hopefully the arrival of Melisandre at The Wall has some significance, a lot of people believe she could possibly bring him back in the same way that Beric Dondarrion was brought back.
Aye heard that myself as well as the Targaryen stuff. Hope it's true.
Did the dragon actually die?
Pretty sure the dragon was just a bit injured and tired as f**k from all the flying and fighting. Sure she asked him to hunt them some food and he just fell asleep - they'd have made a much bigger thing of it had he died.
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Quote from: gawa316 on June 19, 2015, 04:50:30 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 17, 2015, 08:15:41 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on June 16, 2015, 04:53:56 PM
Anyone here any Jon Snow rumours?
Hopefully the arrival of Melisandre at The Wall has some significance, a lot of people believe she could possibly bring him back in the same way that Beric Dondarrion was brought back.
Aye heard that myself as well as the Targaryen stuff. Hope it's true.
Did the dragon actually die?
Pretty sure the dragon was just a bit injured and tired as f**k from all the flying and fighting. Sure she asked him to hunt them some food and he just fell asleep - they'd have made a much bigger thing of it had he died.
Aye that's what I thought, someone else on here said it gave up the ghost
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Quote from: gawa316 on June 19, 2015, 04:48:14 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 19, 2015, 02:32:13 PM
Director said he only cut from Stannis' beheading because it would be too gruesome.
But the Mountain exploding yer man's head was grand!!
That was such a great scene, real "WTF" moment.
The wife and MIL both screamed out loud, never seen it coming
Everything that goes on is secondary to Ice vs Fire, meaning anyone with Targaryen blood will be crucial. There are three dragons who would each require a rider. Dany is obviousy one. There is more than enough evidence to suggest Jon is a Targ, so he'd be a possible candidate and the same, in the books at least, applies to Tyrion. In the books there's another pretty much confirmed Targaryen that the show has bypassed altogether.
Quote from: gallsman on June 23, 2015, 12:25:37 AM
Everything that goes on is secondary to Ice vs Fire, meaning anyone with Targaryen blood will be crucial. There are three dragons who would each require a rider. Dany is obviousy one. There is more than enough evidence to suggest Jon is a Targ, so he'd be a possible candidate and the same, in the books at least, applies to Tyrion. In the books there's another pretty much confirmed Targaryen that the show has bypassed altogether.
Did Dany's ma die in childbirth? If she did then she's something in common with Jon and Tyrion...
Yes, although the assumption above is that R+L=J is true.
There are some theories about Tyrion's parentage too that add weight to the case for him being a Targ - Tywin's hatred of him, "you're no son of mine", the Mad King having an obsession with Tywin's wife etc
Its speculated a bit on here:
http://whatculture.com/tv/game-of-thrones-is-tyrion-lannister-actually-a-targaryen.php (http://whatculture.com/tv/game-of-thrones-is-tyrion-lannister-actually-a-targaryen.php)
Quote from: gallsman on June 23, 2015, 12:25:37 AM
Everything that goes on is secondary to Ice vs Fire, meaning anyone with Targaryen blood will be crucial. There are three dragons who would each require a rider. Dany is obviousy one. There is more than enough evidence to suggest Jon is a Targ, so he'd be a possible candidate and the same, in the books at least, applies to Tyrion. In the books there's another pretty much confirmed Targaryen that the show has bypassed altogether.
In fairness if Bran doesn't warg into one of the dragons at some point his powers and story make no sense, particularly now he's pretty much alone north of the Wall with the White Walkers.
Tyrion not being a Lannister makes his whole arc and story carry far less weight, I just don't buy it. Tywin hated him because he's a orney dwarf that doesn't care terribly about the family's image, which is exactly what Tywin was obsessed by.
I don't think it would at all - if he turns out to be a Targ, that's doesn't affect anything to date. The man he is has been shaped by his experience as a Lannister.
Agree Bran has to be involved at some point, although how I don't know. I wasn't overly fond of his "journey to turn into a tree" angle in the last couple of books but it must be going somewhere. At the end of the day, Bran is now the rightful Lord of Winterfell and i suspect that will be his ultimate destiny. Arya has to go somewhere too I guess. Her direwolf is also alive in the Riverlands which will have some part to play.
There is loads of comments passed to Jon Snow and Tyrion that put question marks over their parenthood.
And I've read that Martin has a clear finish in mind that he has discussed with the TV showrunners, so that is why he has let some artistic licence and let them get ahead of the books to the end game along these lines.
For such a clear finish to be in place suggests that it is already a plot line, albeit not as obvious as others.
I certainly think there is some connection between the three.
In the books Tyrion also escapes greyscale when saved by Connignton, which could be due to Targaryen blood.
The only major spanner in the works of it fitting together nicely like that in the books is the presence of Aegon. If he's legit, then that confuses things a bit.