These 2 heavy-weights of league football go head to head in a battle for the ages.
Can Dublin do a league three in a row to set them up for the arduous assault on Leinster?
Could Cork win some silverware this year under Cuthbert to make up for the loss of their McGrath Cup title?
Looking forward to this one after our game with Roscommon. On current league form it's hard to look past Cork winning. Any team that scores goals for fun vs Donegal are a serious outfit. But it is Dublin we're talking about and on their day they can tear any team in Ireland to shreds. This should be a very entertaining match-up, and hopefully plenty of quality scores.
I'll go for a draw.
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 13, 2015, 10:59:39 AM
These 2 heavy-weights of league football go head to head in a battle for the ages.
Can Dublin do a league three in a row to set them up for the arduous assault on Leinster?
Could Cork win some silverware this year under Cuthbert to make up for the loss of their McGrath Cup title?
Battle for the ages????
Arduous assault on Leinster??
Been watching too many Sky promos I fear!!!
Quote from: BluestackBoy on April 13, 2015, 11:40:36 AM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 13, 2015, 10:59:39 AM
These 2 heavy-weights of league football go head to head in a battle for the ages.
Can Dublin do a league three in a row to set them up for the arduous assault on Leinster?
Could Cork win some silverware this year under Cuthbert to make up for the loss of their McGrath Cup title?
Battle for the ages????
Arduous assault on Leinster??
Been watching too many Sky promos I fear!!!
Up too late last night, too early this morning and a wee bit over-caffeinated.
Cork Team
QuoteThe Cork Senior Football team is named as follows:
1. Ken O'Halloran (Bishopstown)
2. Tom Clancy (Clonakilty)
3. Michael Shields (St. Finbarr's)
4. James Loughrey (Mallow)
5. Jamie O'Sullivan (Bishopstown)
6. Conor Dorman (Bishopstown)
7. Tomás Clancy (Fermoy)
8. Eoin Cadogan (Douglas)
9. Fintan Goold (Macroom)
10. Kevin O'Driscoll (Tadhg MacCarthaigh)
11. John O'Rourke (Carbery Rangers)
12. Colm O'Driscoll (Tadhg MacCarthaigh)
13. Colm O'Neill (Ballyclough)
14. Mark Collins (Castlehaven)
15. Brian Hurley (Castlehaven)
Subs:
16. Paddy O'Shea (St. Vincent's)
17. Stephen O'Donoghue (Ballincollig)
18. Noel Galvin (Ballincollig)
19. Stephen Cronin (Nemo Rangers)
20. Brian O'Driscoll (Tadhg MacCarthaigh)
21. Daniel Goulding (Éire Óg)
22. Paul Kerrigan (Nemo Rangers)
23. Donal Óg Hodnett (O'Donovan Rossa)
24. John Hayes (Carbery Rangers)
25. Barry O'Driscoll (Nemo Rangers)
Unavailable for selection due to injury: Ian Maguire, Ruairi Deane, Donncha O'Connor and Patrick Kelly.
The other news out of Cork is Alan O'Connor is to rejoin the Cork panel again.
Can't help but think that Cuthbert must have had to bend over backwards to get O'Connor to join up because the report of conversation l heard last year when Cuthbert asked O'Connor to return involved the words F.O.
It's also interesting to see Deane still on the injured listed given he has been back training with Bantry for a while now and has even played a game for them.
The word on Maguire is a lot less positive and there are apparently doubts if he will feature at all for Cork this season.
The whole area of Cork's midfield under Cuthbert is like some sort of soap opera with the comings and goings.
(http://i.imgur.com/fnjj3x1.jpg)
http://www.dublingaa.ie/news/two-changes-for-league-decider-against-rebels
Once again the Dublin GAA website are unable to grasp the tricky notion of naming the subs.
Naming subs might only encourage those pesky folk who think that Dublin have some sort of advantage given something like half the footballers in the land are playing in Dublin. Can't be having that. We'll be hearing talk of splitting Dublin again which is given a ridiculous notion and an affront to all true Jackeens Gaels (and anyone who makes mention of the fact that the Dublin minors were split in two already, will be hung, drawn and quartered and forced to listen to 72 hours straight of Tommy Carr commentary.)
In the regular league meeting between these 2 sides Cork played pretty much the same team as will be playing Sunday (bar the odd lad with a knock or two) whereas Dublin lined out with a random collection of lads that were picked up while whizzing past the Red Cow round-about and then used a cunning substitution policy of taking off the lads who were playing well and replacing them with lads who were pretty much plucked from the watching Dublin support. Now that Dublin are lining out in something that bears some sort of resemblance to their best 15 they should steamroller Cork out of existence as long as Dublin manage the tricky maneuver of actually getting into first gear.
The big question that the great minds of GAAdom will be pondering for the next few hours is whether Jim The Tinkerman will be able to resist the temptation to change the named starting 15 given the massive gap of approximately forty something hours between the naming of the team and throw-in. Will it be one change, two change, three change,or more? Bated breathe is the relevant phrase I believe.
No MDMA named amongst the starters or subs - can this be true??? some fall from grace for a lad who was POTY in 2013 - maybe Jim has cottoned on to the fact that a lad who is wholly incapable of actually kicking the ball might not be best option - however looking at the teamsheet again and presence of nun udder than 1 Stick-Fast Bastic dashes that theory to pieces. Or might it be some sort of backlash to the mooted rumors regarding the decriminalisation of certain substances in the political sphere. Is smiley Jim concerned about being seen as too Smiley?
Perhaps smiley Jim is playing the long game and lulling the rabbels into overconfidence with their midfield pairing and setting them up for the mother of all surprises come championship time when a Clare midfield will wreck merry havoc against the combo of the last midfielder Cuthbert in Cork hasn't fallen out with (Gould) and a lad who's convinced he's still playing full-back, but just with a very attacking brief - so attack-minded that he will actually spent all of his time in the middle of the field and is totally unaware that another lad will be playing the traditional "full-back" role and yet another lad will be playing the "centre-back" role. Surely this will be the radical twist on the concept of full-back play that gets Cubbie wreck-og-nised as the Genie-ASS tactical innovator that he knows he is [HE KNOWS POWERPOINT FOR FECKS SAKE !!!!!!]
In other news I've been awake for an exceedingly long time and have fallen among bad company (namely a throng of my relatives and a frankly shocking number of bottles of poitin) so if there is a pitch invasion in Croke park or a one-man assault on the Sports Department in RTE at any stage over the next two weeks, it will be me and may God have mercy on my soul.
:D Were you up all night?
If it goes to extra time, will Cork come back out on to the field?
Is it possible MDMA is just injured?
Two hands with a programme very early on!!!
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 13, 2015, 10:59:39 AM
These 2 heavy-weights of league football go head to head in a battle for the ages.
Can Dublin do a league three in a row to set them up for the arduous assault on Leinster?
Could Cork win some silverware this year under Cuthbert to make up for the loss of their McGrath Cup title?
Never mind the boo boys 2H they've no imagination,great intro.
GAA Beo (TS)
13:30
Live coverage of Down v Roscommon in the Allianz Football League Division 2 Final and of Dublin v Cork in the Allianz Football League Division 1 Final from Croke Park. Presented by Micheál Ó Domhnaill with commentary by Brian Tyers and Marcus Ó Buachalla
Cork by 2
Connolly getting his Jaw tested there!
A disgraceful assault on Connolly by the Cork No 5.
I hope there is some way of coming back to this, he could have broken Connolly's jaw with that cowardly attack.
I hope Dublin go on to wallop them.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on April 26, 2015, 04:09:49 PM
A disgraceful assault on Connolly by the Cork No 5.
I hope there is some way of coming back to this, he could have broken Connolly's jaw with that cowardly attack.
I hope Dublin go on to wallop them.
Disgraceful if that goes unpunished.
What's with all the pigeons?
Thought this was why we got Hawkeye.
+1, really cheap shot
hope the p***k gets three months
No tension or excitement in the game.
Time to do away with the knockout stages of the league or maybe stage the final between the top 2 teams at the top team's home venue.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 26, 2015, 04:20:07 PM
What's with all the pigeons?
Thought this was why we got Hawkeye.
Surely they employ somebody with a hawk to try and keep pigeons away? Be more exciting to watch than these games too!
How many fouls is Fitzimons going to commit before he gets a card?
Fairly soft penalty.
Soft peno
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 26, 2015, 04:36:30 PM
Fairly soft penalty.
Yes! And if it was a penalty - was it not a Black Card? If it was not a Black card then the foul was accidental and not a Yellow?
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 26, 2015, 04:37:51 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 26, 2015, 04:36:30 PM
Fairly soft penalty.
Yes! And if it was a penalty - was it not a Black Card? If it was not a Black card then the foul was accidental and not a Yellow?
Think it was a penalty as the defender/keeper impeded the forward. Can only be black if referee believes it is deliberate. Any doubt he gives yellow.
Don't think it was a black card either.
After the initial contact, Shields was on the ground and Brady fell across him.
He wasn't dragged down.
Only saw the elbow there now, surely he'll get a suspension for that. A dirty stroke
Quote from: Jinxy on April 26, 2015, 04:47:52 PM
Don't think it was a black card either.
After the initial contact, Shields was on the ground and Brady fell across him.
He wasn't dragged down.
Nah no way it was a black card.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on April 26, 2015, 04:50:15 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 26, 2015, 04:47:52 PM
Don't think it was a black card either.
After the initial contact, Shields was on the ground and Brady fell across him.
He wasn't dragged down.
Nah no way it was a black card.
Was it a Yellow? And if yes why?
Cork are tactically inept. This could get to a 20 point gap I'm afraid. Rather them than us. Lovely day for a match, pity the GAA cannot market the bloody thing and make it an event to draw a crowd. Don't think they even have 1/2 time entertainment! It's a national final, will they ever learn, this game should have been advertised all week with a band before during and after and they would draw 50k on a day like today, what's in there? 20k?
Cork are very disappointing and like the first half in the division 2 game I don't understand why there isn't more life in this one. Against Donegal you could see the seeds of Cork's problem, they can't kick the ball properly and therefore have to handpass it the length of the field which negates their best assets, O'Neill and Hurley.
Cork have been awful so far
Paudy not far behind
Quote from: Zulu on April 26, 2015, 04:53:57 PM
Cork are very disappointing and like the first half in the division 2 game I don't understand why there isn't more life in this one. Against Donegal you could see the seeds of Cork's problem, they can't kick the ball properly and therefore have to handpass it the length of the field which negates their best assets, O'Neill and Hurley.
I wonder how many of the Cork players are Dual players for their club? Would explain the athleticism, but lack of football skill.
Quote from: highorlow on April 26, 2015, 04:53:00 PM
Cork are tactically inept. This could get to a 20 point gap I'm afraid. Rather them than us. Lovely day for a match, pity the GAA cannot market the bloody thing and make it an event to draw a crowd. Don't think they even have 1/2 time entertainment! It's a national final, will they ever learn, this game should have been advertised all week with a band before during and after and they would draw 50k on a day like today, what's in there? 20k?
Way more than 20K I would think but you can't run a competition where everyone talks it down and ever get 50K at it. We're an odd people really, the best part of the GAA season is ending in the next 40 minutes or so yet we've no interest. The championship is about to start but that's largely useless until QF stage and most counties have no chance of silverware yet that's what we deem important. Strange.
Quote from: Zulu on April 26, 2015, 04:59:22 PM
Quote from: highorlow on April 26, 2015, 04:53:00 PM
Cork are tactically inept. This could get to a 20 point gap I'm afraid. Rather them than us. Lovely day for a match, pity the GAA cannot market the bloody thing and make it an event to draw a crowd. Don't think they even have 1/2 time entertainment! It's a national final, will they ever learn, this game should have been advertised all week with a band before during and after and they would draw 50k on a day like today, what's in there? 20k?
Way more than 20K I would think but you can't run a competition where everyone talks it down and ever get 50K at it. We're an odd people really, the best part of the GAA season is ending in the next 40 minutes or so yet we've no interest. The championship is about to start but that's largely useless until QF stage and most counties have no chance of silverware yet that's what we deem important. Strange.
31,548
There's 31k at it.
Quote from: Zulu on April 26, 2015, 04:59:22 PM
Quote from: highorlow on April 26, 2015, 04:53:00 PM
Cork are tactically inept. This could get to a 20 point gap I'm afraid. Rather them than us. Lovely day for a match, pity the GAA cannot market the bloody thing and make it an event to draw a crowd. Don't think they even have 1/2 time entertainment! It's a national final, will they ever learn, this game should have been advertised all week with a band before during and after and they would draw 50k on a day like today, what's in there? 20k?
Way more than 20K I would think but you can't run a competition where everyone talks it down and ever get 50K at it. We're an odd people really, the best part of the GAA season is ending in the next 40 minutes or so yet we've no interest. The championship is about to start but that's largely useless until QF stage and most counties have no chance of silverware yet that's what we deem important. Strange.
I'm one of those who have stayed away, frankly because I couldn't be bothered.
The attitude from teams, administrators and media seems to be, the league doesn't matter. Well, why should I bother paying €25, so.
If Dublin's penalty was really a penalty then Cork should definitely have had one. Copper rugby tackled the corner forward to the ground inside the small rectangle!
Dublin kicking the scutter out of cork now
Classy Dublin chick drinking a can of Coors on the hill. Who was it said the Dubs were tramps on and off the field??? 😉
What does the GAA charge to get in?
It has just been announced over the PA in Croke Park that the Mini-bus to Cork is now leaving and could all the Cork Supporters make their way to the Exits! ;D
Quote from: Over the Bar on April 26, 2015, 05:08:20 PM
Classy Dublin chick drinking a can of Coors on the hill. Who was it said the Dubs were tramps on and off the field??? 😉
It's a step up from Druids.
Quote from: Over the Bar on April 26, 2015, 05:08:20 PM
Classy Dublin chick drinking a can of Coors on the hill. Who was it said the Dubs were tramps on and off the field??? 😉
Was it Coors Light? Must be minding the figure. Could be worse - a can of Dutch or bottle of Buckie.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 26, 2015, 05:10:29 PM
It has just been announced over the PA in Croke Park that the Mini-bus to Cork is now leaving and could all the Cork Supporters make their way to the Exits! ;D
Any chance Frank might intervene and drag the Cork team to the train early?
Quote from: moysider on April 26, 2015, 05:15:10 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on April 26, 2015, 05:08:20 PM
Classy Dublin chick drinking a can of Coors on the hill. Who was it said the Dubs were tramps on and off the field??? 😉
Was it Coors Light? Must be minding the figure. Could be worse - a can of Dutch or bottle of Buckie.
Buckfast is not popular in Dublin. We leave that to Armagh and Galway people. Bizarre that, really, how two counties such a long way away from each other are, independently, the two hotspots for that sacred yet evil tipple.
I think there is little doubt we have saw the all Ireland champions in action today due to the sheer ruthlessness and skill in the forwards on display, well done champions elect the Rossies! Syferus will no doubt back me up, that is assuming he is on the roscommon bandwagon today instead of the mayo one, although its hard to know at the best of times where he is from.
Who do Dublin have first in the Championship?
Is that a worst effort at the dubs than Derry last year?
Quote from: Sidney on April 26, 2015, 05:19:33 PM
Quote from: moysider on April 26, 2015, 05:15:10 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on April 26, 2015, 05:08:20 PM
Classy Dublin chick drinking a can of Coors on the hill. Who was it said the Dubs were tramps on and off the field??? 😉
Was it Coors Light? Must be minding the figure. Could be worse - a can of Dutch or bottle of Buckie.
Buckfast is not popular in Dublin. We leave that to Armagh and Galway people. Bizarre that, really, how two counties such a long way away from each other are, independently, the two hotspots for that sacred yet evil tipple.
Road Bowls / Bullets, Armagh & Cork the only Counties who take it seriously.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 26, 2015, 04:58:25 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 26, 2015, 04:53:57 PM
Cork are very disappointing and like the first half in the division 2 game I don't understand why there isn't more life in this one. Against Donegal you could see the seeds of Cork's problem, they can't kick the ball properly and therefore have to handpass it the length of the field which negates their best assets, O'Neill and Hurley.
I wonder how many of the Cork players are Dual players for their club? Would explain the athleticism, but lack of football skill.
Possibly. I'm not sure how many take hurling seriously but bar Cadogan I don'y think many are from dual clubs. Colm O'Neill is a very good hurler too and he can definitely kick a ball so I'm not sure the dual issue is a major factor. Whatever it is they just don't seem to be able to play football when it's put up to them. I thought Cork would be a major force in football over the past number of years but they appear to be a team that can beat anyone but will only do so against a proper team if they catch them on an off day.
still liable to give away an odd goal i see, thats what cost them last year
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 26, 2015, 05:29:19 PM
Is that a worst effort at the dubs than Derry last year?
In fairness we gave them a game that did not even resemble a training session in McHale Park this year!
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 26, 2015, 05:25:53 PM
Who do Dublin have first in the Championship?
Fodder, followed by Canon Fodder if they can somehow manage to negotiate the first match. But let's not be getting ahead of ourselves here. Fodder are always a tough nut to crack.
Not as much as a sentence 'as gaeilge' from Cluxton. Surprised he didn't congratulate Chelsea and The Queen as well....
Quote from: Over the Bar on April 26, 2015, 05:41:59 PM
Not as much as a sentence 'as gaeilge' from Cluxton. Surprised he didn't congratulate Chelsea and The Queen as well....
At least he showed some level of respect to Cork and did not do the 3 Hip Hips for the losing team!
Getting to a league final is now becoming a huge disadvantage which will only belittle the league even more. Tyrone '13 final losers and poor champion ship same with Derry last year and knowing the Cork fickle mentality this will go against them this year. It coul be the year of the banner in Munster!
Quote from: highorlow on April 26, 2015, 05:46:37 PM
Getting to a league final is now becoming a huge disadvantage which will only belittle the league even more. Tyrone '13 final losers and poor champion ship same with Derry last year and knowing the Cork fickle mentality this will go against them this year. It coul be the year of the banner in Munster!
Donegal had no interest in getting to the final a few weeks ago! You are preparing wrong for the Championship playing Dublin in their home turf and getting a hiding.
Hard to see anyone but the dubs for Leinster. 1/6 is a big price.
Bar Donegal, Kerry or possibly Mayo, the Dubs would destroy everyone else in the country with ease so you needn't bemoan the lack of quality in the Leinster championship.
[quoteBar Donegal, Kerry or possibly Mayo, the Dubs would destroy everyone else in the country with ease so you needn't bemoan the lack of quality in the Leinster championship.][/quote]
I hope the new Meath secret weapon works out!
One of those games when you're glad it isn't your team they're playing. Dublin would have been +10 against anyone today.
Quote from: CD on April 26, 2015, 06:19:41 PM
One of those games when you're glad it isn't your team they're playing. Dublin would have been +10 against anyone today.
Correct! The League Final is set up perfectly for Dublin. A home venue, a ground they trudge every second game in the League and every game in the Championship. Home beds! Familiar dressing rooms. Familiar Journey to game. Mayo in 2014 and Donegal in 2015 avoided getting to the final. They knew their fitness levels are different and that an ambush is better not forewarned. And a heavy loss far outweighs anything a League title can do for confidence!
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 26, 2015, 06:26:39 PM
Quote from: CD on April 26, 2015, 06:19:41 PM
One of those games when you're glad it isn't your team they're playing. Dublin would have been +10 against anyone today.
Correct! The League Final is set up perfectly for Dublin. A home venue, a ground they trudge every second game in the League and every game in the Championship. Home beds! Familiar dressing rooms. Familiar Journey to game. Mayo in 2014 and Donegal in 2015 avoided getting to the final. They knew their fitness levels are different and that an ambush is better not forewarned. And a heavy loss far outweighs anything a League title can do for confidence!
The only fair solution is for the GAA to build a Croke Park in every serious football county.
If the GAA had any sense they'd put 20 million into Pairc Tailteann and make it a 30,000 capacity stadium with two fully covered grass banks.
Quote from: muppet on April 26, 2015, 06:31:52 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 26, 2015, 06:26:39 PM
Quote from: CD on April 26, 2015, 06:19:41 PM
One of those games when you're glad it isn't your team they're playing. Dublin would have been +10 against anyone today.
Correct! The League Final is set up perfectly for Dublin. A home venue, a ground they trudge every second game in the League and every game in the Championship. Home beds! Familiar dressing rooms. Familiar Journey to game. Mayo in 2014 and Donegal in 2015 avoided getting to the final. They knew their fitness levels are different and that an ambush is better not forewarned. And a heavy loss far outweighs anything a League title can do for confidence!
The only fair solution is for the GAA to build a Croke Park in every serious football county.
Today's final could have been held in Tullamore or Portlaoise. Better atmosphere in a smaller ground. A bit of money going to a smaller rural town and boosting it's local economy. Anyway this has all been debated here before and is well stale at this juncture.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 26, 2015, 06:26:39 PM
Quote from: CD on April 26, 2015, 06:19:41 PM
One of those games when you're glad it isn't your team they're playing. Dublin would have been +10 against anyone today.
Correct! The League Final is set up perfectly for Dublin. A home venue, a ground they trudge every second game in the League and every game in the Championship. Home beds! Familiar dressing rooms. Familiar Journey to game. Mayo in 2014 and Donegal in 2015 avoided getting to the final. They knew their fitness levels are different and that an ambush is better not forewarned. And a heavy loss far outweighs anything a League title can do for confidence!
And how did Mayo and Donegal get on in those years- oh wait now
Outstanding display today - when we're good - we're very good
Quote from: muppet on April 26, 2015, 06:31:52 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 26, 2015, 06:26:39 PM
Quote from: CD on April 26, 2015, 06:19:41 PM
One of those games when you're glad it isn't your team they're playing. Dublin would have been +10 against anyone today.
Correct! The League Final is set up perfectly for Dublin. A home venue, a ground they trudge every second game in the League and every game in the Championship. Home beds! Familiar dressing rooms. Familiar Journey to game. Mayo in 2014 and Donegal in 2015 avoided getting to the final. They knew their fitness levels are different and that an ambush is better not forewarned. And a heavy loss far outweighs anything a League title can do for confidence!
The only fair solution is for the GAA to build a Croke Park in every serious football county.
So, one more Croke Park in Killarney?
Quote from: INDIANA on April 26, 2015, 06:43:24 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 26, 2015, 06:26:39 PM
Quote from: CD on April 26, 2015, 06:19:41 PM
One of those games when you're glad it isn't your team they're playing. Dublin would have been +10 against anyone today.
Correct! The League Final is set up perfectly for Dublin. A home venue, a ground they trudge every second game in the League and every game in the Championship. Home beds! Familiar dressing rooms. Familiar Journey to game. Mayo in 2014 and Donegal in 2015 avoided getting to the final. They knew their fitness levels are different and that an ambush is better not forewarned. And a heavy loss far outweighs anything a League title can do for confidence!
And how did Mayo and Donegal get on in those years- oh wait now
Outstanding display today - when we're good - we're very good
The statement was that Dublin would have no real game until the final with Kerry! A disrespectful statement given that both Mayo and Donegal had beaten Dublin in the Championship recently. I did not say we are world beaters just that any given day we can mix it with the best!
Cork looked beaten docket from the throw-in. Some of their marking was diabolical. Same brainless defending that was there last year too. Dunno the hype about Cuthbert and Cork in general copping on and learning how to defend in numbers properly.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 26, 2015, 06:55:24 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 26, 2015, 06:43:24 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 26, 2015, 06:26:39 PM
Quote from: CD on April 26, 2015, 06:19:41 PM
One of those games when you're glad it isn't your team they're playing. Dublin would have been +10 against anyone today.
Correct! The League Final is set up perfectly for Dublin. A home venue, a ground they trudge every second game in the League and every game in the Championship. Home beds! Familiar dressing rooms. Familiar Journey to game. Mayo in 2014 and Donegal in 2015 avoided getting to the final. They knew their fitness levels are different and that an ambush is better not forewarned. And a heavy loss far outweighs anything a League title can do for confidence!
And how did Mayo and Donegal get on in those years- oh wait now
Outstanding display today - when we're good - we're very good
The statement was that Dublin would have no real game until the final with Kerry! A disrespectful statement given that both Mayo and Donegal had beaten Dublin in the Championship recently. I did not say we are world beaters just that any given day we can mix it with the best!
Disrespect is to be encouraged.
I've had enough of the "ah yeah, we'd have fierce respect for them and we know we're in for a hell of a battle whatever happens" waffle.
It seems this even extends into forum posters who believe that what they say actually has an effect on the results of matches.
Dublin will walk the All-Ireland this year.
And even if they don't, I'm a big boy, I can take it.
I'd say the double duvet style managers must feel well justified how they played against the Dubs.
A lot of people including myself bemoan the way football has gone lately but I'd much rather watch a tight nervy game with disciplined and tackling like Tyrone did to the Dubs this year than these open games where its all over by halftime.
The Dubs are an awesome attacking machine in their own backyard if you give them time and space to do so. Their biggest enemy now is the usual run of easy games to the quarter or semifinals.
Cork very disappointing today and lacked intensity. If Dublin don't get off to a flyer then it's not so easy for them to play that champagne football.
Congrats Dublin.
Quote from: Sidney on April 26, 2015, 07:01:37 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 26, 2015, 06:55:24 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 26, 2015, 06:43:24 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 26, 2015, 06:26:39 PM
Quote from: CD on April 26, 2015, 06:19:41 PM
One of those games when you're glad it isn't your team they're playing. Dublin would have been +10 against anyone today.
Correct! The League Final is set up perfectly for Dublin. A home venue, a ground they trudge every second game in the League and every game in the Championship. Home beds! Familiar dressing rooms. Familiar Journey to game. Mayo in 2014 and Donegal in 2015 avoided getting to the final. They knew their fitness levels are different and that an ambush is better not forewarned. And a heavy loss far outweighs anything a League title can do for confidence!
And how did Mayo and Donegal get on in those years- oh wait now
Outstanding display today - when we're good - we're very good
The statement was that Dublin would have no real game until the final with Kerry! A disrespectful statement given that both Mayo and Donegal had beaten Dublin in the Championship recently. I did not say we are world beaters just that any given day we can mix it with the best!
Disrespect is to be encouraged.
I've had enough of the "ah yeah, we'd have fierce respect for them and we know we're in for a hell of a battle whatever happens" waffle.
It seems this even extends into forum posters who believe that what they say actually has an effect on the results of matches.
Dublin will walk the All-Ireland this year.
And even if they don't, I'm a big boy, I can take it.
Well you had to take it last year being over whelming favourites and landing on your arse. So you have good practice for this year on how to deal with it
should it happen this year.
Quote from: Sidney on April 26, 2015, 06:45:54 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 26, 2015, 06:31:52 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 26, 2015, 06:26:39 PM
Quote from: CD on April 26, 2015, 06:19:41 PM
One of those games when you're glad it isn't your team they're playing. Dublin would have been +10 against anyone today.
Correct! The League Final is set up perfectly for Dublin. A home venue, a ground they trudge every second game in the League and every game in the Championship. Home beds! Familiar dressing rooms. Familiar Journey to game. Mayo in 2014 and Donegal in 2015 avoided getting to the final. They knew their fitness levels are different and that an ambush is better not forewarned. And a heavy loss far outweighs anything a League title can do for confidence!
The only fair solution is for the GAA to build a Croke Park in every serious football county.
So, one more Croke Park in Killarney?
Kerry don't need home advantage.
Quote from: muppet on April 26, 2015, 07:06:37 PM
Quote from: Sidney on April 26, 2015, 06:45:54 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 26, 2015, 06:31:52 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 26, 2015, 06:26:39 PM
Quote from: CD on April 26, 2015, 06:19:41 PM
One of those games when you're glad it isn't your team they're playing. Dublin would have been +10 against anyone today.
Correct! The League Final is set up perfectly for Dublin. A home venue, a ground they trudge every second game in the League and every game in the Championship. Home beds! Familiar dressing rooms. Familiar Journey to game. Mayo in 2014 and Donegal in 2015 avoided getting to the final. They knew their fitness levels are different and that an ambush is better not forewarned. And a heavy loss far outweighs anything a League title can do for confidence!
The only fair solution is for the GAA to build a Croke Park in every serious football county.
So, one more Croke Park in Killarney?
Kerry don't need home advantage.
They proved that in the Semi-final last year! ;D
Quote from: INDIANA on April 26, 2015, 06:43:24 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 26, 2015, 06:26:39 PM
. A home venue, a ground they trudge every second game in the League and every game in the Championship. Home beds! Familiar dressing rooms. Familiar Journey to game. Mayo in 2014 and Donegal in 2015 avoided getting to the final. They knew their fitness levels are different and that an ambush is better not forewarned. And a heavy loss far outweighs anything a League title can do for confidence!
And how did Mayo and Donegal get on in those years- oh wait now
Oh wait now indeed. Wait until the 2015 season is over before speaking about it in the past tense.
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 26, 2015, 07:02:59 PM
I'd say the double duvet style managers must feel well justified how they played against the Dubs.
A lot of people including myself bemoan the way football has gone lately but I'd much rather watch a tight nervy game with disciplined and tackling like Tyrone did to the Dubs this year than these open games where its all over by halftime.
The Dubs are an awesome attacking machine in their own backyard if you give them time and space to do so. Their biggest enemy now is the usual run of easy games to the quarter or semifinals.
Cork very disappointing today and lacked intensity. If Dublin don't get off to a flyer then it's not so easy for them to play that champagne football.
Congrats Dublin.
Eh? Sure Cork played a sweeper and got bodies back. It's a poor day for the GAA if the only thing teams can do to stay competitive is to haul everyone back. Dublin are a fine side and I hope they get success playing football properly but Cork should have done a lot better if they were confident in their players. Their problem was they played too defensively not that they didn't pay defensively enough.
Dublin looked great but as has been said in here and elsewhere Cork were so poor. I agree with some of the posters above its just the wrong time of year to play Dublin if you're in that bracket of the chasing pack . I'd swear Horan told his players last year to not give it 100% against Derry in semi final for this very reason.
In saying all that you still have to admire the Dubs , they are pure quality when on song . They've won two out of the last four SAMs and three league titles on the bounce . They could very possibly win Sam four out of the next five too. Realistic challengers to Dublin are getting weaker not stronger and that is going to be the worry .
Kerry, despite winning the all Ireland last year I still have my doubts about them, gooch and Walsh getting back to their best could determine how far they go.
Mayo, the general feeling is a provincial title would be a fantastic season.
Donegal, again you'd have to think they're just floating about q/f s/f max .
Cork, looked really bad today , no buzz about the football in that county at all Tis no wonder they don't win as much as you'd think they should.
I'm struggling to find a team that's going to stop Dublin , maybe it's a case of who can come up with a system to stop them in 15 . An Armagh or something like that in a q/f to burst their bubble would be a nice change.
Quote from: larryin89 on April 26, 2015, 07:25:18 PM
Dublin looked great but as has been said in here and elsewhere Cork were so poor. I agree with some of the posters above its just the wrong time of year to play Dublin if you're in that bracket of the chasing pack . I'd swear Horan told his players last year to not give it 100% against Derry in semi final for this very reason.
In saying all that you still have to admire the Dubs , they are pure quality when on song . They've won two out of the last four SAMs and three league titles on the bounce . They could very possibly win Sam four out of the next five too. Realistic challengers to Dublin are getting weaker not stronger and that is going to be the worry .
Kerry, despite winning the all Ireland last year I still have my doubts about them, gooch and Walsh getting back to their best could determine how far they go.
Mayo, the general feeling is a provincial title would be a fantastic season.
Donegal, again you'd have to think they're just floating about q/f s/f max .
Cork, looked really bad today , no buzz about the football in that county at all Tis no wonder they don't win as much as you'd think they should.
I'm struggling to find a team that's going to stop Dublin , maybe it's a case of who can come up with a system to stop them in 15 . An Armagh or something like that in a q/f to burst their bubble would be a nice change.
Eh hello, what about Ros?
Quote from: muppet on April 26, 2015, 07:39:14 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 26, 2015, 07:25:18 PM
Dublin looked great but as has been said in here and elsewhere Cork were so poor. I agree with some of the posters above its just the wrong time of year to play Dublin if you're in that bracket of the chasing pack . I'd swear Horan told his players last year to not give it 100% against Derry in semi final for this very reason.
In saying all that you still have to admire the Dubs , they are pure quality when on song . They've won two out of the last four SAMs and three league titles on the bounce . They could very possibly win Sam four out of the next five too. Realistic challengers to Dublin are getting weaker not stronger and that is going to be the worry .
Kerry, despite winning the all Ireland last year I still have my doubts about them, gooch and Walsh getting back to their best could determine how far they go.
Mayo, the general feeling is a provincial title would be a fantastic season.
Donegal, again you'd have to think they're just floating about q/f s/f max .
Cork, looked really bad today , no buzz about the football in that county at all Tis no wonder they don't win as much as you'd think they should.
I'm struggling to find a team that's going to stop Dublin , maybe it's a case of who can come up with a system to stop them in 15 . An Armagh or something like that in a q/f to burst their bubble would be a nice change.
Eh hello, what about Ros?
Maybe , who knows . Im just thinking as I'm typing here but are there many examples of teams in the modern era say last 15 years just comin out of nowhere and challenging . The jury is still out on Roscommon IMO , this is the year of their test ,they will have to beat Galway or Mayo in a Connacht final, if they do , well then at long last they have achieved something and then they have to go to Croker and prove they don't just have one big game in them too.
We were all saying the same about the Dubs last year, and look what happened then. We looked good, but cork looked very, very poor. Mystifying, given what defeat to us last year at the same time meant to their season.
BTW i would hope that yer man O'Sullivan gets a couple of months for that blow, and for the one after to Philly Mac. He looked very hyped up and could have done serious damage to both.
What was the attendance today?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 26, 2015, 09:09:52 PM
What was the attendance today?
Today's attendance at Croke Park was 31,548
Broken down as Cork 48, Down 500, Roscommon 1,000 and Dublin 30,000! ;D
The Cork figure includes the players.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 26, 2015, 09:29:12 PM
The Cork figure includes the players.
I suppose they could technically be counted as spectators today! ;D
I know it's only April, but none of the teams on show this weekend showed anything close to the class of Dublin. Armagh, apart, I'd like to see the Rossies overturn Molly Malone's cockle cart, but I don't think it's going to happen.
Quote from: Oraisteach on April 26, 2015, 09:45:56 PM
I know it's only April, but none of the teams on show this weekend showed anything close to the class of Dublin. Armagh, apart, I'd like to see the Rossies overturn Molly Malone's cockle cart, but I don't think it's going to happen.
Two Division 2 Teams, Two Division 3 Teams and Two Division 4 Teams who have all achieved their primary goal for the league. All are on the way up, but Jez you can't be expecting miracles yet? Especially from the 3rd and 4th tier teams.
Quote from: easytiger95 on April 26, 2015, 08:40:21 PM
We were all saying the same about the Dubs last year, and look what happened then. We looked good, but cork looked very, very poor. Mystifying, given what defeat to us last year at the same time meant to their season.
BTW i would hope that yer man O'Sullivan gets a couple of months for that blow, and for the one after to Philly Mac. He looked very hyped up and could have done serious damage to both.
I think all non-dubs can relax a bit ( Jinxy excepted) about the all-conquering Dublin team. Statistics tell us that the dubs flatter greatly in the end, they mostly either fall victim to a mysterious state of paralysis or manage to get roundly beaten by a better team. But any Dublin fan could tell you that.
I was disappointed in Cork today, just from the perspective of having to witness a lop sided league final. We knew the Dubs would turn up today, on their home ground and in front of their own fans they would be hard to dislodge, they didn't disappoint but Cork did.
Quote from: Main Street on April 26, 2015, 10:02:12 PM
Quote from: easytiger95 on April 26, 2015, 08:40:21 PM
We were all saying the same about the Dubs last year, and look what happened then. We looked good, but cork looked very, very poor. Mystifying, given what defeat to us last year at the same time meant to their season.
BTW i would hope that yer man O'Sullivan gets a couple of months for that blow, and for the one after to Philly Mac. He looked very hyped up and could have done serious damage to both.
I think all non-dubs can relax a bit ( Jinxy excepted) about the all-conquering Dublin team. Statistics tell us that the dubs flatter greatly in the end, they mostly either fall victim to a mysterious state of paralysis or manage to get roundly beaten by a better team. But any Dublin fan could tell you that.
I was disappointed in Cork today, just from the perspective of having to witness a lop sided league final. We knew the Dubs would turn up today, on their home ground and in front of their own fans they would be hard to dislodge, they didn't disappoint but Cork did.
Sure you did the same against us a few weeks back in Clones. When you play defensively and it goes pear shaped you've got nothing else in your locker
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 26, 2015, 09:56:32 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on April 26, 2015, 09:45:56 PM
I know it's only April, but none of the teams on show this weekend showed anything close to the class of Dublin. Armagh, apart, I'd like to see the Rossies overturn Molly Malone's cockle cart, but I don't think it's going to happen.
Two Division 2 Teams, Two Division 3 Teams and Two Division 4 Teams who have all achieved their primary goal for the league. All are on the way up, but Jez you can't be expecting miracles yet? Especially from the 3rd and 4th tier teams.
We're a D1 team now Bunky. Same as our neigbours. Same number of D1 titles in the last 36 years too..
In fairness no one is going to beat Dublin unless the media inflate their egos to such a degree that they float off into the atmosphere. They look to have learnt their lessons from last year.
Media nothing got to do with it.
Donegal beat Dublin last year because Donegal identified a weakness and it paid big time. They also got lucky and they could have been killed early.
Cork look a limited team. Hurley and O Neill make them seem scarier than they are and teams have learned how to deal with those 2 as well. I hear that Cork don't particularly like playin defensive. Well they'd want to get to like it cause their midfield isnt worth a shite and their defenders need all the help they can get.
Wouldn't rule out Kerry beating Dub later in the year. Best manager imo and may well have a better 15 by August/Sept. On the other hand Dublin are better defensively now.
As for the rest, I can't see any danger. Mayo, unfortunately, ran up the white flag when Horan walked away. It's between Kerry and Dublin.
Quote from: moysider on April 27, 2015, 12:13:06 AM
Media nothing got to do with it.
Donegal beat Dublin last year because Donegal identified a weakness and it paid big time. They also got lucky and they could have been killed early.
Cork look a limited team. Hurley and O Neill make them seem scarier than they are and teams have learned how to deal with those 2 as well. I hear that Cork don't particularly like playin defensive. Well they'd want to get to like it cause their midfield isnt worth a shite and their defenders need all the help they can get.
Wouldn't rule out Kerry beating Dub later in the year. Best manager imo and may well have a better 15 by August/Sept. On the other hand Dublin are better defensively now.
As for the rest, I can't see any danger. Mayo, unfortunately, ran up the white flag when Horan walked away. It's between Kerry and Dublin.
You might be over-rating the contenders by one there Moy. Kerry did incredibly well to win the AI last year but they haven't the capacity Dublin have. Donegal might still be the stiffer test for Dublin too even if they aren't the second best team in the country.
Quote from: larryin89 on April 26, 2015, 07:25:18 PM
Dublin looked great but as has been said in here and elsewhere Cork were so poor. I agree with some of the posters above its just the wrong time of year to play Dublin if you're in that bracket of the chasing pack . I'd swear Horan told his players last year to not give it 100% against Derry in semi final for this very reason.
In saying all that you still have to admire the Dubs , they are pure quality when on song . They've won two out of the last four SAMs and three league titles on the bounce . They could very possibly win Sam four out of the next five too. Realistic challengers to Dublin are getting weaker not stronger and that is going to be the worry .
Kerry, despite winning the all Ireland last year I still have my doubts about them, gooch and Walsh getting back to their best could determine how far they go.
Mayo, the general feeling is a provincial title would be a fantastic season.
Donegal, again you'd have to think they're just floating about q/f s/f max .
Cork, looked really bad today , no buzz about the football in that county at all Tis no wonder they don't win as much as you'd think they should.
I'm struggling to find a team that's going to stop Dublin , maybe it's a case of who can come up with a system to stop them in 15 . An Armagh or something like that in a q/f to burst their bubble would be a nice change.
So you have the best player in the country..
Ross are overhyped..
A win in salthill would now be seen as a "fantastic" season..
Jesus where's me violin..
Quote from: Rossie11 on April 27, 2015, 12:29:41 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 26, 2015, 07:25:18 PM
Dublin looked great but as has been said in here and elsewhere Cork were so poor. I agree with some of the posters above its just the wrong time of year to play Dublin if you're in that bracket of the chasing pack . I'd swear Horan told his players last year to not give it 100% against Derry in semi final for this very reason.
In saying all that you still have to admire the Dubs , they are pure quality when on song . They've won two out of the last four SAMs and three league titles on the bounce . They could very possibly win Sam four out of the next five too. Realistic challengers to Dublin are getting weaker not stronger and that is going to be the worry .
Kerry, despite winning the all Ireland last year I still have my doubts about them, gooch and Walsh getting back to their best could determine how far they go.
Mayo, the general feeling is a provincial title would be a fantastic season.
Donegal, again you'd have to think they're just floating about q/f s/f max .
Cork, looked really bad today , no buzz about the football in that county at all Tis no wonder they don't win as much as you'd think they should.
I'm struggling to find a team that's going to stop Dublin , maybe it's a case of who can come up with a system to stop them in 15 . An Armagh or something like that in a q/f to burst their bubble would be a nice change.
So you have the best player in the country..
Ross are overhyped..
A win in salthill would now be seen as a "fantastic" season..
Jesus where's me violin..
Well let me think ! Nope I don't have a clue where your violin is.
That is the general feeling in Mayo, not a prayer of landing the all Ireland but provincial might not be beyond them . I don't understand why you're shouting at me.
The general feeing is different than mine if that's what you're getting at , I think we will win the all Ireland and hammer Kerry in the final after a ding dong battle with the dubs in semi. But I am a bit of a mad Kunt.
Jim Gavin says in his post match interview that Dublin need to improve for the championship.
God help everyone else if they do.
Quote from: Zulu on April 26, 2015, 07:11:36 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 26, 2015, 07:02:59 PM
I'd say the double duvet style managers must feel well justified how they played against the Dubs.
A lot of people including myself bemoan the way football has gone lately but I'd much rather watch a tight nervy game with disciplined and tackling like Tyrone did to the Dubs this year than these open games where its all over by halftime.
The Dubs are an awesome attacking machine in their own backyard if you give them time and space to do so. Their biggest enemy now is the usual run of easy games to the quarter or semifinals.
Cork very disappointing today and lacked intensity. If Dublin don't get off to a flyer then it's not so easy for them to play that champagne football.
Congrats Dublin.
Eh? Sure Cork played a sweeper and got bodies back. It's a poor day for the GAA if the only thing teams can do to stay competitive is to haul everyone back. Dublin are a fine side and I hope they get success playing football properly but Cork should have done a lot better if they were confident in their players. Their problem was they played too defensively not that they didn't pay defensively enough.
If Cork were playing defensively then they would need to have a long hard look at themselves. On top of what they conceded yesterday they shipped 0-22 against a Donegal team in the middle of heavy training ahead of the Tyrone game. That is not defense as we would recognise it.
As for hauling everyone back, Dublin are at it now as well with their own "blue blanket". That is now how everyone plays the game. How a team turns from defense into all out blitz attack is what will separate the men from the boys & Dublin, having learned their lesson the hard way, are now masters of the art.
Long way till September though........
Quote from: orangeman on April 27, 2015, 09:41:51 AM
Jim Gavin says in his post match interview that Dublin need to improve for the championship.
God help everyone else if they do.
Jim Gavin is quite right.
Dublin swept all before them in the league & Leinster championship last year but when the chips were down they were found wanting.
There is nothing much between the top 3 or 4 teams in the country & on their day any of them can beat any of the others.
Gavin knows this right well & recognises that his team be can't complacent & plateau where they are now.
Yes, Dublin are out in front at the moment but there is a lot of football to be played yet this year.
Dublin can be streaky team . if the get the run on you god help you, but tyrone,derry and even monaghan in the semi showed they can at least be Stopped .
I think thats what cork tried to do yesterday but hadn't a clue how to go about it.
they would have been much better playing thier own game
Maybe cork will learn more from the match Than Dublin . or may be not...
QuoteDublin can be streaky team . if the get the run on you god help you,
Aye, I think Connelly missed a sitter goal chance last year v Donegal. Had that gone in they were on their streak and were 6 or 7 ahead [I think].
Defence now starts in the FF line when the opposition have the ball, Cork forwards and management don't get that, they were ballwatching throughout. The amount of unchallenged kick outs yesterday by Cluxton was baffling and they had no plan to upset him. FFS to let SC do as he liked is an unforgivable and arrogant approach by Cuthbert and his management.
I'd say Gavin is rightly unhappy with his fullback line which were poor enough yesterday for the few minutes in the game where they had to do something, but then again it was a makeshift FB line.
You need to physically stop Dublin far up the field and attempt to turn the ball over and get them out of their comfort zone, otherwise they are allowed to play the game on their own terms which is relatively unbeatable with the forwards they have, their home pitch and the majority of the crowd with them.
Dublin have always been a team that if they get a run on you, will murder you. You have to stay with them and then try to push for home when they start to tighten up if they haven't blown you away and expect to.
Quote from: orangeman on April 27, 2015, 09:41:51 AM
Jim Gavin says in his post match interview that Dublin need to improve for the championship.
God help everyone else if they do.
what did you expect him to say
donegall would give them a proper match and monaghan weren't too far away in the semi final
Kerry will have a plan for them as well
I also think mc geeney would have plan for them
Quote from: highorlow on April 27, 2015, 02:32:20 PM
I'd say Gavin is rightly unhappy with his fullback line which were poor enough yesterday for the few minutes in the game where they had to do something, but then again it was a makeshift FB line.
Jonny Cooper was my MOTM and like you say they lost Rory O'Carroll early. They need him to have an injury free summer, no cover for him.
Imo we are a way way better team with Cian O'Sullivan playing in the backs.
Not his biggest fan in the past but I thought Ciaran Kilkenny was excellent on Sunday. My motm for what it was worth.
No other way of putting it I'm afraid but Cork were abysmal.
Glad to see the team genuinely happy about winning the league (and rightly so). Undeserved draw with Tyrone very important as things turned out.
Monaghan by the way are an excellent team from what I saw. They imo will be very dangerous later in the year.
McGeeney have a plan for them, seriously? Dublin would murder that Armagh team, as for Monaghan getting close to them, i look more at the championship result last year more, than a half out Dublin team in this years league semi!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 29, 2015, 11:21:59 PM
McGeeney have a plan for them, seriously?
He was a great for having plans for us when he was with Kildare alright