Might as well get this one started now. Will Newbridge be fit to hold it lads?
Id imagine it will be the televised fixture.
Probably be in Portlaoise.
Wonder would there be any chance of a double header in Croker with Wexford v Laois?
Another 20 mins down the road for travelling fans? Would hardly be fair. Stick it in Croke Park if necessary.
Here we go lads, the draw neither of us really wanted but sure what the hell. Winners face the head stampers in the next round. Kildare bound to be favourites for this we had a lucky win in the league down there, Kildare unbeaten in back door since 2006 (?) and McGeeeny will want to tear us to shreds in his last year. Lump on the flourbags, we've no chance!
This is bound to be the televised game which would mean it is scheduled for 7pm on Saturday evening.
It will be in Newbridge. Restricted capacity of 7,500.
Small oul pitch, isn't it?
Quote from: ONeill on July 15, 2013, 09:07:36 AM
Small oul pitch, isn't it?
Aye, Stevie O'Neill will have no bother knocking over sideline balls.
At least there's no chance of teams with one eye on the next round with the head-stampers lying in the long grass.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 15, 2013, 09:05:41 AM
It will be in Newbridge. Restricted capacity of 7,500.
7500 will be plenty big.
Tullamore - 3000
Hyde Park - 3500
Where will the crowd come out of ?
May the best team win.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 15, 2013, 09:15:06 AM
May the best team win.
Who would you prefer Jinxy? Tyrone in Brewster or Kildare in O'Connor? Just curious like..
Tyrone have no chance of making the quarter Finals. Cant see them bearing Kildare and would really struggle against that Meath team.
Very unlucky in the draw each year, can't remember when we last got a home draw. Must be 2008.
Semi final of NFL
TYRONE: N Morgan (0-01, 0-01f); PJ Quinn, C Clarke, C McCarron; D Carlin, Mattie Donnelly (1-01), C Gormley; C Cavanagh, S Cavanagh (0-02, 0-01f); R McNamee, P Harte, Mark Donnelly (1-01); M Penrose (0-01), S O'Neill (0-04), D McCurry (0-01, 0-0-1f).
Subs used: A Cassidy (0-01) for Harte (19 mins), Justin McMahon for McNamee (35 mins), C McAliskey (0-02) for McCurry (35 mins), C McGinley for Quinn (61 mins), A McCrory for Carlin (61 mins).
KILDARE: M Donnellan; O Lyons, M Foley, H McGrillen; P Kelly, E Doyle, P Cribbin (1-00); S Hurley, P O'Neill (0-03); Daniel Flynn, N Kelly, E O'Flaherty (0-01); E Bolton, P Brophy (1-01), J Doyle (0-06 0-04f).
Subs used: T O'Connor for Daniel Flynn (52 mins), S Johnson for Bolton (54), E Callaghan for N Kelly (61 mins), A Smith for E Doyle (64 mins).
Earlier league game:
Kildare scorers: P Cribbin 0-3, S Johnston 0-2 (2f), E Callagahn, E O'Flaherty, R Sweeney, A Smith, S Hurley 0-1 each.
Tyrone scorers: Mark Donnelly 1-0, S O'Neill (1f), N Morgan (3f) 0-3 each, P McNeice, P Harte (1f) 0-2 each, C McAliskey (f), R McKenna, A Cassidy 0-1 each
Expect that 7,500 to be revised upwards this week!
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 15, 2013, 09:31:08 AM
Expect that 7,500 to be revised upwards this week!
To 27,000 when it's moved to Portlaoise?
Supermacs will be hoping it's in Portlaoise....
Quote from: Dont Matter on July 15, 2013, 09:34:15 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 15, 2013, 09:31:08 AM
Expect that 7,500 to be revised upwards this week!
To 27,000 when it's moved to Portlaoise?
Great opportunity for the local dwellers to see some football.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 15, 2013, 09:31:08 AM
Expect that 7,500 to be revised upwards this week!
There'll be a ball of room. Load of empty seats.
Tyrone tipple Kildare with second half performance
http://www.leinsterleader.ie/sport/tyrone-tipple-kildare-with-second-half-performance-1-1936923
Published on 05/08/2009
All Ireland Senior Football Championship Quarter Final
Tyrone: 0-16 Kildare: 1-11
AND so it is. The end. Championship 2009 has drawn to a close for Kildare. It finished just like it did twelve months before - at the quarter final stage. It came to a conclusion with a morale victory over the All Ireland champions but such victories are for losers.
Kildare, by no means there just to make up the numbers, feel this was a game they should have won and that fact is correct and true. They could have and indeed should have booked their place in the last four but the important thing here is that they didn't. Tyrone came away with a two point victory after Kieran McGeeney's side could only muster up four points in the second half. That, coupled with some poor finishing and the concession of possession is what cost the Lilies a place in the penultimate round against Munster champions Cork.
Progress has most definitely been made but in the dressing room last Sunday evening that was scant consolation to a team that had ambitions to go all the way. Kildare might be a step or two off the pace at present but what 2009 has shown is that the Lilies are, once again, a force to be reckoned with, a young team, for the most part, with the talent and belief to contest for honours and no doubt they'll be back next year, back in the hunt again but for now these players must sit back and watch the rest battle it out for Sam.
Last Sunday in front of a 49,761 crowd at headquarters Kildare tore in to the holders during the first half and what a half they had. They led by four points (1-07 to 0-06) at the break after a crucial goal from Ronan Sweeney in the 14th minute and they had the holders on the back foot.
Tyrone's star men, none more so than Sean Cavanagh, were kept in check, Kildare fought like Trojans for each and every ball and when possession went forward they took their scores with aplomb. In short, the Lilies were on fire and were in control.
All year Dermot Earley has been earning plaudits for his performances but last Sunday his partner Daryl Flynn had an outstanding first half on Sean Cavanagh, the man considered by many as they best footballer in the country. Flynn didn't allow Cavanagh to get a grip on things in the middle, didn't allow him possession and run at the defence and although Flynn tired and was replaced in the second period, Cavanagh's influence on the game was minimal throughout.
In to the Kildare team came Gary White and he was another man to perform well, while Earley, Kavanagh, Doyle and Eamonn Callaghan, still quite obviously feeling the effects of his groin injury, all shone. In fact during that first half the whole Kildare XV were on song and they probably should have led more heading for the dressing room at the break.
If Tyrone hadn't been tested up until this point, then they most definitely have been now and indeed when Mikey Harte spoke to the waiting media at full time relief was the overriding emotion.
Kieran McGeeney said afterwards that this Tyrone team were one of, if not the best team of the last 30 years but Kildare paid scant regard to that right from the throw in. They went at the Ulster champions from the off and most certainly had them rattled. At one point, with 29 minutes on the clock to be exact, the Lilywhites led by five (1-6 to 0-4) and it was the stuff of dreams. If Kildare could keep up such intensity in the second period there was only going to be one outcome according to some at the break but they failed to do just that and paid the heavy price.
The Red Hand men enjoyed an excellent start to the final half and were back on level terms just five minutes in. Three minutes later they hit the front for the first time in the game but Kildare bounced back to lead by the minimum in the 53rd minute. However, Tyrone had the response but all Kildare could muster were a series of poor wides at the death and that was that. On the champions marched and Kildare headed home.
The Lilies didn't produce it over the 70 minutes and maybe Tyrone deserve credit for that but you can't help feeling, like the Leinster final, this is a game Kildare left behind. As aforementioned they hit some dreadful wides and on at least five occasions Tyrone scored points after Kildare needlessly gave away possession. In the first half McGeeney's men played excellent possession football, were patient in their build up but that trait went missing in the final half and more times than not they ended up conceding possession.
It's all academic now anyway. Tyrone are the favourites to go on and retain the Sam Maguire Cup but they will have to play decidedly better if they are to do it. For the Kildare players it's back to the clubs and on to the local championships and although bitterly disappointed, they can hold their heads high.
The might have finished up at the same stage, and finished up with nothing, but these players gave the county a real boost and they proved to everyone they are a free scoring, talented and determined side and no doubt they will be back next year more determined than ever. The experience of this year's championship will be of a huge benefit to the younger players who now know they are just as good as the likes of Sean Cavanagh, as Stephen O'Neill and the rest of the All Ireland medal holders. Kildare can compete with the best and make no mistake about that and if ever you wanted evidence cast your mind back to the first half of last Sunday's encounter.
Wearing green though not meeting with Napper Tandy and shooting in to the empty Hill 16 Kildare signalled their intent early and opened their account with three minutes on the clock when Johnny Doyle sent over a free after a foul on Daryl Flynn. That lead was doubled five minutes later when Doyle got inside his marker Davy Harte before firing over the bar from the left.
The holders pulled one back thanks to Stephen O'Neill after some sloppy marking from the Lilies, while they were soon back level when O'Neill grabbed a second, a superb point from a difficult angle on the right.
Kildare had the perfect response though. A goal, the game's only, from Ronan Sweeney gave McGeeney's side a three point cushion and they built on it from there to the interlude. A superb ball from substitute Andrew McLoughlin found James Kavanagh and instead of going for it himself the Ballymore man passed inside to Ronan Sweeney, who took the chance superbly when he finished in to the near corner to leave the score at 1-2 to 0-2.
With the goal came confidence and Kildare finished out the half on fire. Between the 25th and 29th minutes the Lilies hit three point without response to lead by five (1-6 to 0-4) and although Tyrone tagged on two before the break, Kildare had a 1-07 to 0-06 half time lead. Very satisfactory indeed.
One always expected a back lash from the champions and that's exactly what occurred after the turnaround. Mickey Harte's side registered six points without reply and Kildare had to wait until the 50th to open their second half account. That score came from a converted free from Doyle to pull the deficit back to one and two minutes later the Allenwood man levelled proceedings when he sent over another free.
Kildare might have been on the back foot but they showed superb spirit to weather the storm and on 53 minute they got their noses back in front once more when Doyle scored a peach of a point to leave the score at 1-10 to 0-12..
The side's then swapped points but thereafter Kildare failed to score again. Tyrone on the other hand fired over three to ensure victory and a semi final spot.
In parts it was a wonderful performance for Kildare, sometimes it was poor and perhaps experience carried Tyrone over the line but make no mistake about it Kildare had their chances to win this one.
Scorers: Tyrone - Stephen O'Neill 0-7 (2f), Owen Mulligan 0-4, Brian Dooher 0-2, Tommy McGuigan 0-1 (1f), Martin Penrose 0-1, Justin McMahon 0-1.
Kildare - Johnny Doyle 0-7 (4f, 1 line ball), Ronan Sweeney 1-0, Eamonn Callaghan 0-1, James Kavanagh 0-1, Alan Smith 0-1, Mick Foley 0-1.
Tyrone: Pascal McConnell; PJ Quinn, Justin McMahon, Ryan McMenamin; Davy Harte, Conor Gormley, Philip Jordan; Kevin Hughes, Sean Cavanagh; Brian Dooher, Tommy McGuigan, Joe McMahon; Martin Penrose, Stephen O'Neill, Owen Mulligan. Subs: Brian McGuigan replaced T McGuigan 43 mins, Sean O'Neill replaced PJ Quinn 56 mins.
Kildare: Tom Corley; Emmet Bolton, Hugh McGrillen, Mick Foley; Morgan O'Flaherty, Brian Flanagan, Gary White; Daryl Flynn, Dermot Earley; John Doyle, Padraig O'Neill, James Kavanagh, Alan Smith, Ronan Sweeney, Eamonn Callaghan. Subs: Andrew McLoughlin replaced E Bolton (inj) 11 mins, Ken Donnelly replaced P O'Neill 52 mins, Rob Kelly replaced R Sweeney 52 mins, Kevin O'Neill replaced D Flynn 61 mins, Willie Heffernan replaced E Callaghan 66 mins.
Referee: Gearoid O Conamha (Galway).
Quote from: laoislad on July 15, 2013, 09:36:09 AM
Supermacs will be hoping it's in Portlaoise....
They have a huge order for extra chicken and chips on standby. Gotta have them shnack boxes at the ready for the lillies.
Wonder will SON be available for this game? McCurry was a doubt as well
Haven't heard anything about Stevie but I'd be hopeful he'd be OK.
Just checked there on wiki to see was that 2009 the only meeting we had with them in the qualifiers. For some reason I thought we beat them twice over the last 5 years or so.
I was reminded that Kildare beat Meath in the quarters back in 2010 - 2.17 to 1.12 and then lost to Down in the semi.
What's wrong with McCurry?
Fuzz, McCurry was taken off the last day with an injury approx. 65th minute. Havnt heard anything since. Hopefully it was just a precaution etc
Teamtalkmag reckon the game will be played in Tullamore?
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 15, 2013, 10:23:36 AM
Haven't heard anything about Stevie but I'd be hopeful he'd be OK.
Just checked there on wiki to see was that 2009 the only meeting we had with them in the qualifiers. For some reason I thought we beat them twice over the last 5 years or so.
I was reminded that Kildare beat Meath in the quarters back in 2010 - 2.17 to 1.12 and then lost to Down in the semi.
What's wrong with McCurry?
We've never met in the qualifiers that was AI quarter-final in 2009.
from that 2009 team above, whatever happened Tommy McGuigan?
Got a recurring injury and withdrew from the squad.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 15, 2013, 10:23:36 AM
Just checked there on wiki to see was that 2009 the only meeting we had with them in the qualifiers. For some reason I thought we beat them twice over the last 5 years or so.
Was thinking the same. I suppose we've played each other a lot lately. Twice in the league in Croke last year. This'll be the third meeting this year.
Probably the draw neither team wanted but for the winner they will carry a lot of confidence into the 4th round. Can't imagine there will be much in it but being at home and with the distinct prospect that it could be McGeeneys last game in charge I have a feeling Kildare might edge it.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 15, 2013, 11:10:13 AM
Probably the draw neither team wanted but for the winner they will carry a lot of confidence into the 4th round. Can't imagine there will be much in it but being at home and with the distinct prospect that it could be McGeeneys last game in charge I have a feeling Kildare might edge it.
I wouldn't bet on that but I don't think it's right to discuss McGeeney's future until our Championship season has finished but since you mentioned it you should note we qualified for the League semi's and won the Leinster minor, 21 and Junior titles. A trimming by a very good Dublin team shouldn't define our season, another trimming might well intensify the debate but this has been a very good year for Kildare GAA and McGeeney has a role in that success. I like what he did this year I'm conscious that we need to be aware that apart from Glenn there are no other standout candidates and Glen's star has definitely waned a little this year.
A few of his comments this year have hinted that this might be his last year. That's certainly the impression I get from reading between the lines.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 15, 2013, 11:20:38 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 15, 2013, 11:10:13 AM
Probably the draw neither team wanted but for the winner they will carry a lot of confidence into the 4th round. Can't imagine there will be much in it but being at home and with the distinct prospect that it could be McGeeneys last game in charge I have a feeling Kildare might edge it.
I wouldn't bet on that but I don't think it's right to discuss McGeeney's future until our Championship season has finished but since you mentioned it you should note we qualified for the League semi's and won the Leinster minor, 21 and Junior titles. A trimming by a very good Dublin team shouldn't define our season, another trimming might well intensify the debate but this has been a very good year for Kildare GAA and McGeeney has a role in that success. I like what he did this year I'm conscious that we need to be aware that apart from Glenn there are no other standout candidates and Glen's star has definitely waned a little this year.
imo he should be gone after this season.
I'd like to see what Jason Ryan could do at the helm.
I'd also bring in Ryan to assist him and then take over.
continuity.
Certainly Kildare have the players (imo).
If there is a different man at the helm next year, it won't be Jason Ryan.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 15, 2013, 11:37:10 AM
If there is a different man at the helm next year, it won't be Jason Ryan.
could do a hell of a lot worse imo
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 15, 2013, 09:22:22 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 15, 2013, 09:15:06 AM
May the best team win.
Who would you prefer Jinxy? Tyrone in Brewster or Kildare in O'Connor? Just curious like..
I'd prefer Tyrone to be honest.
Not playing them in shagging Brewster Park though.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 15, 2013, 11:33:46 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 15, 2013, 11:20:38 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 15, 2013, 11:10:13 AM
Probably the draw neither team wanted but for the winner they will carry a lot of confidence into the 4th round. Can't imagine there will be much in it but being at home and with the distinct prospect that it could be McGeeneys last game in charge I have a feeling Kildare might edge it.
I wouldn't bet on that but I don't think it's right to discuss McGeeney's future until our Championship season has finished but since you mentioned it you should note we qualified for the League semi's and won the Leinster minor, 21 and Junior titles. A trimming by a very good Dublin team shouldn't define our season, another trimming might well intensify the debate but this has been a very good year for Kildare GAA and McGeeney has a role in that success. I like what he did this year I'm conscious that we need to be aware that apart from Glenn there are no other standout candidates and Glen's star has definitely waned a little this year.
imo he should be gone after this season.
I'd like to see what Jason Ryan could do at the helm.
I'd also bring in Ryan to assist him and then take over.
continuity.
Certainly Kildare have the players (imo).
I don't know enough about the younger players coming through but the more established players are clearly not good enough. They have been given every opportunity to prove themselves (in terms of coaching / fitness / game preparation) but continually fail to take a big scalp. Whilst you have suffered with midfield injuries, players like o'connor / smith / white / johnston to name a few haven't stepped up.
I would love to see Kildare win an AI (particularly with McGeeney) but don't think the players are there yet.
You will, however, beat Tyrone.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 15, 2013, 11:46:31 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 15, 2013, 11:37:10 AM
If there is a different man at the helm next year, it won't be Jason Ryan.
could do a hell of a lot worse imo
He can't commit to a management position at the moment.
PP bookies have Tyrone at 4/7 Kildare at 7/4
15/2 the draw
Id say a fair few punters up & down the country will be tempted by Kildare at 7/4
Was very surprised at PP odds in the Ulster Minor final. They have Tyrone favourites for that as well (4/5). Obviously Tyrone have dominated at minor level in Ulster this past 15years, but there is no way they should be favourites here. We are in for a real struggle...
Was that true about Mickey being down at the Kildare v Louth game?
Am I right so say his sister lives in Kildare so maybe that's why he was down.
Hopefully the extra week off can benefit us though should we win we'll have Meath waiting for us one week later. I was impressed with Meath in the first half yesterday and was saying to Fear I'd be worried if we meet them again as they seem to have the Indian sign over us.
We'll need to up our game a good bit from the Roscommon affair but I'd imagine it will be much more open game.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 15, 2013, 11:27:46 AM
A few of his comments this year have hinted that this might be his last year. That's certainly the impression I get from reading between the lines.
Jaysus DH, even Nostradamus would struggle to foretell what's going to happen with McGeeney nevermind us keyboard warriors but I definitely think he's building team 2 and plans to see it through.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 15, 2013, 12:23:17 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 15, 2013, 11:27:46 AM
A few of his comments this year have hinted that this might be his last year. That's certainly the impression I get from reading between the lines.
Jaysus DH, even Nostradamus would struggle to foretell what's going to happen with McGeeney nevermind us keyboard warriors but I definitely think he's building team 2 and plans to see it through.
It's just a hunch from a few of his comments in the media. To paraphrase - Kildare will get success but it might not be with me. He has said that a few times this year.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 15, 2013, 12:42:29 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 15, 2013, 12:23:17 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 15, 2013, 11:27:46 AM
A few of his comments this year have hinted that this might be his last year. That's certainly the impression I get from reading between the lines.
Jaysus DH, even Nostradamus would struggle to foretell what's going to happen with McGeeney nevermind us keyboard warriors but I definitely think he's building team 2 and plans to see it through.
It's just a hunch from a few of his comments in the media. To paraphrase - Kildare will get success but it might not be with me. He has said that a few times this year.
Interesting, can't say I picked up on that. This time last I thought his time was up but I like what has happened since, a new team is definitely been built and maybe McGeeney won't be the man to see it through but he built a great legacy regardless.
Quote from: orangeman on July 15, 2013, 09:39:45 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 15, 2013, 09:31:08 AM
Expect that 7,500 to be revised upwards this week!
There'll be a ball of room. Load of empty seats.
Was there not 10 or 11000 at the Kilare Limerick qualifier last year? Tyrone would be a bigger draw than that - would imagine it would be full. This is not like the Offaly or Roscommon games where the home teams expected to be well beaten. Very tough draw for Tyrone. If they can get through the next two games and stay injury free they'll be in great shape for the quarters. But this will be a real 50 50 tie. A proper knockout championship game too.
Should be a humdinger. Extra time job maybe. Wearing my pessimistic hat I think Kildare will win this.
On the other hand, if Tyrone squeeze through this we'll throw the buckin sink at Meath with gay abandon but that's for another dimension.
Back-door specialists getting jammed in the door-way.
How do most of ye compare this Tyrone team to the team of 2008?
Obviously a lot of big names have gone but are we capable of making it into the last 4?
A fit SoN and Sean Cavanagh are surely essential if we are to have any hope but at the start of the year we would have probably been expected to beat teams like Kildare and Meath but I think there is a lot more doubt about the place now.
Comparing how close we got to the Dubs in the league final, both teams seem to have gone in different directions but maybe we'll kick on like we did in 2008.
Do we have any other injuries? How's the 2 McMahons? Is Carlin back in with a shout?
7pm in Newbridge. Live on the box.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 15, 2013, 02:27:50 PM
How do most of ye compare this Tyrone team to the team of 2008?
Obviously a lot of big names have gone but are we capable of making it into the last 4?
A fit SoN and Sean Cavanagh are surely essential if we are to have any hope but at the start of the year we would have probably been expected to beat teams like Kildare and Meath but I think there is a lot more doubt about the place now.
Comparing how close we got to the Dubs in the league final, both teams seem to have gone in different directions but maybe we'll kick on like we did in 2008.
Do we have any other injuries? How's the 2 McMahons? Is Carlin back in with a shout?
Ah for me simply no comparison atall. Dooher, the McGuigans, McGinley, Hub, Ricey, Davey and Jordan, Mugsy....I'm crying now.
7pm throw in, once again a horrible time for travelling Tyrone supporters.
I would expect most will vote with their feet and watch it on the TV.
Tymoaning again ::)
Tyroaming?
Quote from: God14 on July 15, 2013, 12:05:23 PM
PP bookies have Tyrone at 4/7 Kildare at 7/4
15/2 the draw
Id say a fair few punters up & down the country will be tempted by Kildare at 7/4
Was very surprised at PP odds in the Ulster Minor final. They have Tyrone favourites for that as well (4/5). Obviously Tyrone have dominated at minor level in Ulster this past 15years, but there is no way they should be favourites here. We are in for a real struggle...
Suprising odds would have thought this game was a 50/50 call?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 15, 2013, 04:54:50 PM
Quote from: God14 on July 15, 2013, 12:05:23 PM
PP bookies have Tyrone at 4/7 Kildare at 7/4
15/2 the draw
Id say a fair few punters up & down the country will be tempted by Kildare at 7/4
Was very surprised at PP odds in the Ulster Minor final. They have Tyrone favourites for that as well (4/5). Obviously Tyrone have dominated at minor level in Ulster this past 15years, but there is no way they should be favourites here. We are in for a real struggle...
Suprising odds would have thought this game was a 50/50 call?
Kildare have been a step below Tyrone all year and a pasting by Dublin did nothing to restore the bookies' confidence. Still should be a tight game in Newbridge.
Tyrone won handy enough in the league this year but Kildare kicked an awful wides that day.
Only for Stevie O'Neill ( with a bit of help from others )magic in Croke Park, Kildare would have won the league semi final.
It's a 50 - 50 game.
All to play for.
Quote from: orangeman on July 15, 2013, 07:00:11 PM
Tyrone won handy enough in the league this year but Kildare kicked an awful wides that day.
Only for Stevie O'Neill ( with a bit of help from others )magic in Croke Park, Kildare would have won the league semi final.
It's a 50 - 50 game.
All to play for.
Ros played very well against Tyrone who need another few seasons to mature . Kildare at home and the state of newbridge might freak out the visitors like it did the HSE...
I hope the Tyrone crowd don't make too much noise.
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This is the perfect draw for Tyrone if they want to be in with a chance of competing with the top 3. Two games that would really make men of the new lads, were they to win! I feel that Tyrone have a psychological edge over Kildare and would expect them to win. Meath, I'm not so sure, however, will Meath be able to lift it to the level that they can against the Dubs?
McAliskey had a daycent game against the Lilywhites the last time and he's due a big performance since young McCurry has got in on the action. Would like to see him pick off a few goals. A forward line with O'Neill, McCurry and McAliskey should cause any team problems.
It's going to take a serious effort from Tyrone to beat Kildare, Meath and then Dublin/Kerry/Donegal or Mayo over the next 3 weekends. But I guess this is the kind of thing that will have been motivating the team to put in the effort from late last year. Its a proper knockout championsip game against a top 8 team in a packed ground. You certainly benefit as a team from winning games like the one this weekend more than beating someone your expected to beat easy. It would be great to see the younger lads putting in big performances and getting through this one. Would be nice to get a trip to Croke Park to play Meath on Saturday week.
Its hard to see Stevie O'Neill starting this weekend. Hopefully he has recovered enough to give 20 minutes. We seem to have changed our tactics a good bit since the championship and made a good few changes in personel. Maybe we should try to focus on what served us well during the league.
I agree Whistup this is an ideal draw to move up another level of intensity. We got a very easy game v Offaly to get us back on track after the Donegal defeat. Then Roscommon was a step up and give us a bit of a fright.
Kildare was probably the hardest draw we could have got but it would not have benefited us much to get another easy draw and then get London, with Donegal waiting for us in the quarters.
I'm just a bit disappointed that Coney & Ronan haven't got a few full games under their belt by now and have established themselves as the main new forwards on the team. Even McAliskey, who had a good league, hasn't kicked on and Mickey seems to take him off every match though I know he's giving others a run out too.
I think there are a few big performances in this team and I think we will actually beat Kildare if they play an open brand of football. I would imagine Kildare would feel more confident of beating Meath than they would about beating us but for me its one game at a time.
Quote from: sam03/05 on July 15, 2013, 04:25:01 PM
7pm throw in, once again a horrible time for travelling Tyrone supporters.
I would expect most will vote with their feet and watch it on the TV.
I would say the majority of Tyrone "supporters" will do that anyway. We're very badly supported after the success of the last decade. The usual hard core support of around 1000 will make the journey.
Tyrone 4/7 favourites with the bookies but home advantage and the couple of Tyrone absentees could count for a lot.
We're not actually missing anyone, apart from possibly Mick Foley. I'm normally an ultra-pessimist but I'm going to say the unthinkable for an Irishman in the build-up to a game.
We're going to win.
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on July 16, 2013, 11:42:53 AM
Tyrone 4/7 favourites with the bookies but home advantage and the couple of Tyrone absentees could count for a lot.
We're not actually missing anyone, apart from possibly Mick Foley. I'm normally an ultra-pessimist but I'm going to say the unthinkable for an Irishman in the build-up to a game.
We're going to win.
Ollie Lyons and Eoin Doyle?
Mick Foley is a big loss.
Thought Doyle was back in full training? Also, I heard Foley's ailment described as a 'knock'. Seems just as likely he missed the Louth game due to his awful performance against Dublin (mind you, he wasn't exactly given a job that suits him).
Lyons is a loss OK but to reach this stage of the season with only one important player out long-term is the best you can hope for.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 16, 2013, 10:30:37 AM
I agree Whistup this is an ideal draw to move up another level of intensity. We got a very easy game v Offaly to get us back on track after the Donegal defeat. Then Roscommon was a step up and give us a bit of a fright.
Kildare was probably the hardest draw we could have got but it would not have benefited us much to get another easy draw and then get London, with Donegal waiting for us in the quarters.
I'm just a bit disappointed that Coney & Ronan haven't got a few full games under their belt by now and have established themselves as the main new forwards on the team. Even McAliskey, who had a good league, hasn't kicked on and Mickey seems to take him off every match though I know he's giving others a run out too.
I think there are a few big performances in this team and I think we will actually beat Kildare if they play an open brand of football. I would imagine Kildare would feel more confident of beating Meath than they would about beating us but for me its one game at a time.
Feel the same about Coney and Ronan O'Neill, was hoping that by this stage they would have got a run of games but they haven't been lucky with injury.
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on July 16, 2013, 12:00:44 PM
Thought Doyle was back in full training? Also, I heard Foley's ailment described as a 'knock'. Seems just as likely he missed the Louth game due to his awful performance against Dublin (mind you, he wasn't exactly given a job that suits him).
Lyons is a loss OK but to reach this stage of the season with only one important player out long-term is the best you can hope for.
I think Doyle would have featured if he was fully fit. Foley must be involved at some stage if we're to beat Tyrone. This will be a game for the dogs of war rather than the young lads. I'd be inclined to start with experience like Foley (if fit), Paudie, Leper, Smith and then introduce the younger legs like Niall Kelly in the second half when it might have opened up a bit. I just hope we're still in it at that point. Louth were another in a long list of teams that caused us big problems when they ran at the half back line. Unlike Louth, Tyrone have the quality and ruthlessness to put the game beyond doubt.
Joe McQuillan down to referee this one..
Yeah I agree Foley needs to be involved if fit DH. Tends to produce when it's do or die eg vs Limerick last year. Also, his last good game for Kildare was in the league semi against Tyrone.
Will the week rest help Tyrone? Kildare came through a tough battle with Louth on Saturday.
I don't think the weeks rest will have any bearing on this Saturdays game
Should the winner of this match progress to an AIQF however would be another story. Would be a lot to ask Kildare to win on 4 consecutive weekends.
I'm worried about our chances of progressing this weekend and although I foresee a tight game I think Kildare will ultimately prevail. I hope I'm wrong.
If we lose to Kildare in their patch, well, we weren't good enough. No disgrace losing to the Lilys.
However, I'd be very hopeful if Mickey gets out of Newbridge with a win. We'd be heading into a game with the head stampers as underdogs. We'll trim the monsters.
Cmon Tyrone. Time to stand up.
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2013, 12:14:35 AM
If we lose to Kildare in their patch, well, we weren't good enough. No disgrace losing to the Lilys.
However, I'd be very hopeful if Mickey gets out of Newbridge with a win. We'd be heading into a game with the head stampers as underdogs. We'll trim the monsters.
Cmon Tyrone. Time to stand up.
I think you're missing a comma in there somewhere.
As a neutral, an admirer of both teams and based on present performances this all bodes well for Kildare.
Tyrone are on the way down Kildare have remained static (the Dubs game was a blip as proven by last weeks LF).
Kildare to win and win pulling up.
Quote from: highorlow on July 17, 2013, 09:13:37 AM
As a neutral, an admirer of both teams and based on present performances this all bodes well for Kildare.
Tyrone are on the way down Kildare have remained static (the Dubs game was a blip as proven by last weeks LF).
Kildare to win and win pulling up.
How so?
Quote from: highorlow on July 17, 2013, 09:13:37 AM
As a neutral, an admirer of both teams and based on present performances this all bodes well for Kildare.
Tyrone are on the way down Kildare have remained static (the Dubs game was a blip as proven by last weeks LF).
Kildare to win and win pulling up.
On the way down ?
On the way down from where ?.
Quote from: orangeman on July 17, 2013, 09:19:49 AM
Quote from: highorlow on July 17, 2013, 09:13:37 AM
As a neutral, an admirer of both teams and based on present performances this all bodes well for Kildare.
Tyrone are on the way down Kildare have remained static (the Dubs game was a blip as proven by last weeks LF).
Kildare to win and win pulling up.
On the way down ?
On the way down from where ?.
Omagh
Quote from: illdecide on July 17, 2013, 09:25:21 AM
Quote from: orangeman on July 17, 2013, 09:19:49 AM
Quote from: highorlow on July 17, 2013, 09:13:37 AM
As a neutral, an admirer of both teams and based on present performances this all bodes well for Kildare.
Tyrone are on the way down Kildare have remained static (the Dubs game was a blip as proven by last weeks LF).
Kildare to win and win pulling up.
On the way down ?
On the way down from where ?.
Omagh
The big house ? Is it still open ?
Quote from: highorlow on July 17, 2013, 09:13:37 AM
As a neutral, an admirer of both teams and based on present performances this all bodes well for Kildare.
Tyrone are on the way down Kildare have remained static (the Dubs game was a blip as proven by last weeks LF).
Kildare to win and win pulling up.
What performances have Kildare came up with that would fill you with confidence? An easy way to measure how both teams are doing would be to look at the results of the Offaly games, with both Kildare and Tyrone playing them recently.
Quote from: highorlow on July 17, 2013, 09:13:37 AM
As a neutral, an admirer of both teams and based on present performances this all bodes well for Kildare.
Tyrone are on the way down Kildare have remained static (the Dubs game was a blip as proven by last weeks LF).
Kildare to win and win pulling up.
This isnt a horse race............................and who have kildare actually beat this year pulling up
QuoteThis isnt a horse race............................and who have kildare actually beat this year pulling up
Pulling away at the end? Is that ok for ya / you / yous?
Louth.
......................you also forgot the ' in isn't but remembered the dot....................s, capital K. They won't like that.
QuoteQuote from: highorlow on Today at 09:13:37 AM
As a neutral, an admirer of both teams and based on present performances this all bodes well for Kildare.
Tyrone are on the way down Kildare have remained static (the Dubs game was a blip as proven by last weeks LF).
Kildare to win and win pulling up.
How so?
Meath were right in the game until the last 10 minutes and left the game behind them in the 1st half. It proves the point I made before on another thread that Kildare weren't as bad and Dublin weren't as good as people were making out after the Kildare game.
It' wouldn't surprise me to see all 3 teams in a semi final later in the year.
Kildare have not beaten a top side in the Championship in god knows how many years. McGeeney obviously isn't as good a coach as people try to make him out to be. Tyrone should win this game, although the home advantage etc will make it a tight enough slug fest.
Quote from: highorlow on July 17, 2013, 01:12:59 PM
QuoteQuote from: highorlow on Today at 09:13:37 AM
As a neutral, an admirer of both teams and based on present performances this all bodes well for Kildare.
Tyrone are on the way down Kildare have remained static (the Dubs game was a blip as proven by last weeks LF).
Kildare to win and win pulling up.
How so?
Meath were right in the game until the last 10 minutes and left the game behind them in the 1st half. It proves the point I made before on another thread that Kildare weren't as bad and Dublin weren't as good as people were making out after the Kildare game.
It' wouldn't surprise me to see all 3 teams in a semi final later in the year.
You're on the beer so.
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 17, 2013, 01:19:37 PM
Kildare have not beaten a top side in the Championship in god knows how many years. McGeeney obviously isn't as good a coach as people try to make him out to be. Tyrone should win this game, although the home advantage etc will make it a tight enough slug fest.
Big statement there.
By that definition you could argue that Harte is no longer a good coach either as 2008 is the last time Tyrone beat a so called big team in the championship.
Quote from: loughshore lad on July 17, 2013, 01:42:05 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 17, 2013, 01:19:37 PM
Kildare have not beaten a top side in the Championship in god knows how many years. McGeeney obviously isn't as good a coach as people try to make him out to be. Tyrone should win this game, although the home advantage etc will make it a tight enough slug fest.
Big statement there.
By that definition you could argue that Harte is no longer a good coach either as 2008 is the last time Tyrone beat a so called big team in the championship.
But Tyrone have won a few provincial titles since then, but you are right in that Tyrone haven't taken a major scalp since 2008.
Quote from: highorlow on July 17, 2013, 01:12:59 PM
QuoteQuote from: highorlow on Today at 09:13:37 AM
As a neutral, an admirer of both teams and based on present performances this all bodes well for Kildare.
Tyrone are on the way down Kildare have remained static (the Dubs game was a blip as proven by last weeks LF).
Kildare to win and win pulling up.
How so?
Meath were right in the game until the last 10 minutes and left the game behind them in the 1st half. It proves the point I made before on another thread that Kildare weren't as bad and Dublin weren't as good as people were making out after the Kildare game.
It' wouldn't surprise me to see all 3 teams in a semi final later in the year.
Impossible for all 3 to make it to the semi final stage of this years competition
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 17, 2013, 01:19:37 PM
Kildare have not beaten a top side in the Championship in god knows how many years. McGeeney obviously isn't as good a coach as people try to make him out to be. Tyrone should win this game, although the home advantage etc will make it a tight enough slug fest.
The current Tyrone side are pale shadow of the 2003,05,08 teams. If Kildare win some will still say they haven't beaten a top side in the championship.
Always some real manure spread about McGeeney and Kildare. He's easily top five in terms of the best active managers in the country right now.
Quote from: Syferus on July 17, 2013, 02:46:19 PM
Always some real manure spread about McGeeney and Kildare. He's easily top five in terms of the best active managers in the country right now.
He is not, hes a roy keane type, fabulous footballer but tactically inept and egotistical to the detriment of the Kildare team...............................This Kildare team with its future mix will go places with Glenn Ryan at the helm
Quote from: Syferus on July 17, 2013, 02:46:19 PM
Always some real manure spread about McGeeney and Kildare. He's easily top five in terms of the best active managers in the country right now.
in your opinion. Its not necessarily manure because you dont share the same opinion as others . Historically Kildare havent won much. For the last while they have been on the cusp of making a breakthrough, as yet, this hasnt happened bar the Leinster. Do they have the personnel but not the right manager, or do they have the right manager working wonders with a decent enough squad? Kildare are a team very very few counties would want drawn against. You only have to listen to the Tymoanies wishing they had drawn Derry / Cavan ;-). There are more questions than answers
Quote from: J OGorman on July 17, 2013, 02:58:02 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 17, 2013, 02:46:19 PM
Always some real manure spread about McGeeney and Kildare. He's easily top five in terms of the best active managers in the country right now.
in your opinion. Its not necessarily manure because you dont share the same opinion as others . Historically Kildare havent won much. For the last while they have been on the cusp of making a breakthrough, as yet, this hasnt happened bar the Leinster. Do they have the personnel but not the right manager, or do they have the right manager working wonders with a decent enough squad? Kildare are a team very very few counties would want drawn against. You only have to listen to the Tymoanies wishing they had drawn Derry / Cavan ;-). There are more questions than answers
They're secretly delighted that they didn't draw Cavan or Armagh cos if Kildare bet them then, it's just a long spin home and they won't feel as bad as if they got bet again a Derry or Armagh.
Can't believe we're on page 7 already and not much actual match talk. Even the Ulster final thread is still only 6 pages.
At the start of the year most people would have had these 2 counties in the chasing group after the 4 expected provincial winners and maybe Cork too. Sorry London & Monaghan.
Cork hammered Kildare last year and could have done the same again had they met this year or they still could I suppose.
Meath with fancy their chances of progressing now to a 1/4 final as they will play either a team playing their 2nd or 3rd match in consecutive weekends.
Any more news on the Tyrone injury front?
I would like to Coney get a start and bring on Stevie in the second half.
I'd also like to see Penrose play much closer to goal and get back to being a score taker and not another sweeper style player.
Any of the Tyrone ones heading down on Saturday evening fancy 3 season tickets? It gets you €5 off so admission is €10. PM me
I think the match is irrelevant in the 'who wins the All Ireland' scheme of things but it should still be a decent game of football. Both teams you would image are slightly off the pace of the leading contenders but both teams will lift their game for what is a traditional winners takes all match. Before the Donegal game I didn't think there was much difference between Tyrone 2012 and Tyrone 2013. Despite a good league I don't see Tyrone being any better this year and the potential to get a scalping at some stage this year could happen.
Same could be said for Kildare as well I suppose. They have already taken a pasting against Dublin so they will know they are off the All Ireland pace. Really for both teams it will be about progressing as far as possible without really threatening the bigger sides.
The meetings over the previous years suggest a very tight competitive game. Tyrone have performed better on the road to the game at Newbridge will not worry them too much. If Tyrone can get moving early on I think they will have enough to get Kildare but I wouldn't be surprised if Kildare were to win.
I'm sure the atmosphere will be great. Big crowd, weather looks set to be fine, should be good.
Quote from: phpearse on July 17, 2013, 05:54:12 PM
I think the match is irrelevant in the 'who wins the All Ireland' scheme of things but it should still be a decent game of football. Both teams you would image are slightly off the pace of the leading contenders but both teams will lift their game for what is a traditional winners takes all match. Before the Donegal game I didn't think there was much difference between Tyrone 2012 and Tyrone 2013. Despite a good league I don't see Tyrone being any better this year and the potential to get a scalping at some stage this year could happen.
Same could be said for Kildare as well I suppose. They have already taken a pasting against Dublin so they will know they are off the All Ireland pace. Really for both teams it will be about progressing as far as possible without really threatening the bigger sides.
The meetings over the previous years suggest a very tight competitive game. Tyrone have performed better on the road to the game at Newbridge will not worry them too much. If Tyrone can get moving early on I think they will have enough to get Kildare but I wouldn't be surprised if Kildare were to win.
I'm sure the atmosphere will be great. Big crowd, weather looks set to be fine, should be good.
Best dig of the year.
Obviously the people tipping Kildare to win this haven't watched us much this year at all. We were an absolute disgrace against Dublin and beat a poor enough Louth team in the last 15 minutes. The idea that McGeeney is a great tactician is nonsense we went out against Dublin with no defensive plan at all and were obviously destroyed. This has all the hallmarks of another tight defeat for Kildare it must be 10 years since we have beaten a proper team in championship football and I expect that to continue after Saturday. Tyrone by 3
Obviously the people tipping Tyrone to win this haven't watched us much this year at all. We were an absolute disgrace against Roscommon and beat a poor enough Offaly team in the last 70 minutes. The idea that Harte is a great dietician is nonsense we went out against Donegal with no strawberry flan at all and were obviously hungry. This has all the hallmarks of another tight defeat for Tyrone. It must be 5 years since we have beaten a proper team in championship football and I expect that to continue after Saturday. Kildare by 3
Quote from: Go home ref on July 17, 2013, 07:36:40 PM
Obviously the people tipping Kildare to win this haven't watched us much this year at all. We were an absolute disgrace against Dublin and beat a poor enough Louth team in the last 15 minutes. The idea that McGeeney is a great tactician is nonsense we went out against Dublin with no defensive plan at all and were obviously destroyed. This has all the hallmarks of another tight defeat for Kildare it must be 10 years since we have beaten a proper team in championship football and I expect that to continue after Saturday. Tyrone by 3
My issue with McGeeney would be the complete lack of any sort of consistency in his team selections. You could name eleven or twelve players on the Donegal, Kerry, Dublin and Mayo teams who are more or less nailed on starters in a particular position. That's not the case with Kildare and hasn't been that way for a long while. Now you could argue that Kildare don't have the same quality of player at their disposal and that's accurate up to a point but the amount of chopping and changing clearly contributes to how disjointed we can look against better teams.
Take last Saturday for example. Cribbin was probably Kildare's best player in the Offaly and Dublin matches as a half forward. Against Louth he starts in the half back line and is hauled off before half time. Mikey Conway is the fall guy for the league defeat to Dublin and doesn't feature for months and all of a sudden is recalled for the qualifiers. This is a common theme under McGeeney. O'Connor starts one week with the whole gameplan seemingly built around him and then doesn't feature at all the next week. The O'Flahertys and Callaghan could line out in any jersey between 5 and 12. Mick Foley often doesn't know whether he's coming or going between full back and midfield. The messing around with the goalkeeping position this year hasn't helped either.
For Kildare to get anywhere we need to start developing some sort of settled spine to our team. I'm unsure whether we'll ever get that under McGeeney.
As a team in transition maybe he's simply using this year to experiment a lot more ?
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2013, 09:41:29 PM
Obviously the people tipping Tyrone to win this haven't watched us much this year at all. We were an absolute disgrace against Roscommon and beat a poor enough Offaly team in the last 70 minutes. The idea that Harte is a great dietician is nonsense we went out against Donegal with no strawberry flan at all and were obviously hungry. This has all the hallmarks of another tight defeat for Tyrone. It must be 5 years since we have beaten a proper team in championship football and I expect that to continue after Saturday. Kildare by 3
Very good.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 17, 2013, 09:53:11 PM
As a team in transition maybe he's simply using this year to experiment a lot more ?
This has been the case for a number of years now. Kildare haven't had a settled midfield pairing since Dermot first got injured over three years ago!
It's time for our younger players to stand up and show that they can cut in a big championship game. It would be great if the likes of Harte, Mattie Donnelly, Clarke, McAliskey, McCurry and Coney could put on a performance at this level. I'd be very tempted to start Coney. He's been talked about for 5 years and injury has damaged his chances but maybe now is his time to deliver.
This is a big game for Harte. We didn't make the quarters last year and a lot of the new players have yet to really prove it in the championship. We had a very promising league and hopefully this can be turned into championship form. Disappointing more Tyrone people aren't making the journey to give the team a bit of support. Its might be 2 or 3 hours down the road but it could be the last game until next January and its game like this its good to have support behind the team.
Is Ronan O Neill anywhere near getting a start on the Tyrone team?
I remember seeing him play for the Tyrone minors twice a few years ago and thinking he had a big future.
Quote from: galwayman on July 17, 2013, 11:20:32 PM
Is Ronan O Neill anywhere near getting a start on the Tyrone team?
I remember seeing him play for the Tyrone minors twice a few years ago and thinking he had a big future.
Not long back from a cruciate injury, and restricted so far to substitute appearances.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 17, 2013, 11:59:31 PM
Quote from: galwayman on July 17, 2013, 11:20:32 PM
Is Ronan O Neill anywhere near getting a start on the Tyrone team?
I remember seeing him play for the Tyrone minors twice a few years ago and thinking he had a big future.
Not long back from a cruciate injury, and restricted so far to substitute appearances.
Also having recurring hamstring problems this year and hasn't had a clear run of a couple of months injury free.
Team named tonight.
O'Neill might be named. Other than that hard to envisage many other changes.
As a team in transition maybe he's simply using this year to experiment a lot more ?
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Been wondering about this myself.But surely he'd haredly right off his 6th year when it could be his last.. The inconsistency in selection is never a good sign. For example, I dont know who the Kildare fullback or centre back will be this wekend. He should have kept Micjk Foley at fullback where he has always been solid and where he won an allstar. last week he wasnt in the team. We obviously have a huge gap at centre back but he hasnt filled it. This was evident for the whole of last year and still we havent found a solution. An obvious ploy would have been to play a sweeper in MOF or Callaghan at 10 to try and shore up the centre but that wasnt tried.
Anyway I think Kildare have a chance if we get on top at midfield and theres a good chance of that happening against Tyrone. Daryl Flynn is getting back to his best and P ONeill played well last week. Hurley on the bench too. Then its about taking our chances and restricticng Tyrone. Should be a good atmosphere at this. most Kildare fans know its likely to be our last day out and a win would be warmly received!
Doom & gloom has fairly set in amongst Tyrone support. All that new year & early spring promise has completely eroded into a faint memory. The manner of the defeat to Donegal really has knocked the stuffing out of us. Huge psychological blow that. The supporters havnt recovered yet and we wont find out if the players have until about 8:30 Sat evening.
Great opportunity for McGeeney & Kildare here. And the 7/4 on offer for the home side must be tempting.
How crucial will an early exit be to either manager's tenures?
I'm not thinking of being told to go but maybe realising they've run their course. Unlucky they're pitted now as I think both are worthy quarter-finalists (though nothing more).
Any reappearances of the beards tyrone buckos ???? Those bloody things worked a treat
Not so sure about McGeeney, however Harte can reflect on a mixed bag as Tyrone's season draws to a close at some stage in the next 3 weeks. High volume of player turnover in this past couple of seasons with significant new blood. Also Tyrone have never been fitter or better physically equipped (albeit still behind Donegal)
On the negatives - he has failed to find a target man and / or play maker. Our attack has been largely powder puff, relevant to the resources at his disposal. Tactically - he has over persisted with the short ball game.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 18, 2013, 11:49:48 AM
Any reappearances of the beards tyrone buckos ???? Those bloody things worked a treat
Some of these lads are still on the bumfluff.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 17, 2013, 09:47:55 PM
Quote from: Go home ref on July 17, 2013, 07:36:40 PM
Obviously the people tipping Kildare to win this haven't watched us much this year at all. We were an absolute disgrace against Dublin and beat a poor enough Louth team in the last 15 minutes. The idea that McGeeney is a great tactician is nonsense we went out against Dublin with no defensive plan at all and were obviously destroyed. This has all the hallmarks of another tight defeat for Kildare it must be 10 years since we have beaten a proper team in championship football and I expect that to continue after Saturday. Tyrone by 3
My issue with McGeeney would be the complete lack of any sort of consistency in his team selections. You could name eleven or twelve players on the Donegal, Kerry, Dublin and Mayo teams who are more or less nailed on starters in a particular position. That's not the case with Kildare and hasn't been that way for a long while. Now you could argue that Kildare don't have the same quality of player at their disposal and that's accurate up to a point but the amount of chopping and changing clearly contributes to how disjointed we can look against better teams.
Take last Saturday for example. Cribbin was probably Kildare's best player in the Offaly and Dublin matches as a half forward. Against Louth he starts in the half back line and is hauled off before half time. Mikey Conway is the fall guy for the league defeat to Dublin and doesn't feature for months and all of a sudden is recalled for the qualifiers. This is a common theme under McGeeney. O'Connor starts one week with the whole gameplan seemingly built around him and then doesn't feature at all the next week. The O'Flahertys and Callaghan could line out in any jersey between 5 and 12. Mick Foley often doesn't know whether he's coming or going between full back and midfield. The messing around with the goalkeeping position this year hasn't helped either.
For Kildare to get anywhere we need to start developing some sort of settled spine to our team. I'm unsure whether we'll ever get that under McGeeney.
Indeed there is no consistency at all also where were they trying to play Daniel Flynn last week? At times it looked like he was in the half back line mind you id have leper in for Conway all day long
Quote from: God14 on July 18, 2013, 11:51:07 AM
Not so sure about McGeeney, however Harte can reflect on a mixed bag as Tyrone's season draws to a close at some stage in the next 3 weeks. High volume of player turnover in this past couple of seasons with significant new blood. Also Tyrone have never been fitter or better physically equipped (albeit still behind Donegal)
On the negatives - he has failed to find a target man and / or play maker. Our attack has been largely powder puff, relevant to the resources at his disposal. Tactically - he has over persisted with the short ball game.
Bit early with the end of season review. I'm hopeful Tyrone can rediscover there early season form this Saturday. It looks as if we've a relatively injury free panel to choose from for the first time in a few years (except Morgan obviously) at this time of year. Hoping for a big performance which will get us through a very difficult fixture and leave the confidence high for the weeks ahead.
Tyrone SF team v Kildare AIQ Round 3
Comórtas: Craobh na Sinnsear
Cluiche: Tír Eoghain v Cill Dara
Ionad: An Droichead Nua
Dáta: 20-07-13
1 Pascal McConnell An Baile Nua
2 Aidan McCrory Aireagal Chiaráin
3 Conor Clarke An Omaigh
4 Cathal McCarron An Droim Mór
5 Ryan McKenna Eaglais
6 Peter Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
7 Conor Gormley An Charraig Mhór
8 Colm Cavanagh An Mhaigh
9 Sean Cavanagh An Mhaigh
10 Matthew Donnelly Trí Leac
11 Mark Donnelly An Charraig Mhór
12 Joe McMahon An Omaigh
13 Darren McCurry Éadan na dTorc
14 Stephen O'Neill Clann na nGael
15 Martin Penrose An Charraig Mhór
16 Michael O'Neill Cluain Eo
17 Dermot Carlin Coill an Chlochair
18 Aidan Cassidy Eochar
19 Kyle Coney Ard Bó
20 Conan Grugan An Omaigh
21 Plunkett Kane Oileán a'Ghuail
22 Johnathan Lafferty Urnaí
23 Connor McAliskey Cluain Eo
24 Danny McBride An Srath Ban
25 Tiernan McCann Coill an Chlochair
26 Justin McMahon An Omaigh
Stevie leading the line. :)
Strong lineup although I'm surprised at mcaliskey being dropped. More of a threat than penrose imo. Should be good enough to beat the lilly whiltes :)
Kildare Starting 15 is:
1. Shane Connolly
2. David Hyland
3. Peter Kelly
4. Hugh McGrillen
5. Eamonn Callaghan (Capt.)
6. Morgan O'Flaherty
7. Emmet Bolton
8. Daryl Flynn
9. Padraig O'Neill
10. Daniel Flynn
11. Niall Kelly
12. Eoghan O'Flaherty
13. John Doyle
14. Tomás O'Connor
15. Paddy Brophy
We're bate
Quote from: CK_Redhand on July 18, 2013, 08:58:07 PM
Strong lineup although I'm surprised at mcaliskey being dropped. More of a threat than penrose imo. Should be good enough to beat the lilly whiltes :)
Who are the lilly whiltes?
Good to see Stephen back in the first 15. Hopefully he can conjure up a bit of magic like he did in Croke Park earlier in the year. The same result will do nicely too!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIHcBv32N30&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 18, 2013, 09:21:56 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on July 18, 2013, 08:58:07 PM
Strong lineup although I'm surprised at mcaliskey being dropped. More of a threat than penrose imo. Should be good enough to beat the lilly whiltes :)
Who are the lilly whiltes?
They're an 'l' of a lot better than the Lilywhites (or two)! ;)
Mickey really has become tinkerman this year hasn't he.
That right side of defence doesn't exactly inspire confidence and it will be interesting to see how McCrory settles back into the side. He's certainly got the pace but he needs to toughen it up a good bit from when I saw him last.
Our full back position changes nearly every game these days. Surely its Penrose's turn to play there now.
Geezer prone to dummy teams but we're going to need Mick Foley and Paul Cribbin at some stage to win this one
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on July 19, 2013, 11:07:05 AM
Geezer prone to dummy teams but we're going to need Mick Foley and Paul Cribbin at some stage to win this one
Cribbin should be landed in on the 40. This idea that he can be as effective at wing back is daft. We're forever being told that we lack forwards, one comes along with limitless potential and we play him in the backs! In one of the minor replays against Dublin in 2010, he was moved into full forward and caused all sorts of damage. He's not one of these players that has to be running onto the ball all the time.
What's the story on tickets lads?
If I was to just turn up would I get in?
The last time I was in Newbridge was when Canavan & Cush won their first AI U-21 title, hammering Kerry.
It's sold out as far as I know but there's bound to be a few people trying to offload spares in the evening.
It's Oaks day at the Curragh tomorrow as well so the town will be chaotic.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 19, 2013, 11:19:52 AM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on July 19, 2013, 11:07:05 AM
Geezer prone to dummy teams but we're going to need Mick Foley and Paul Cribbin at some stage to win this one
Cribbin should be landed in on the 40. This idea that he can be as effective at wing back is daft. We're forever being told that we lack forwards, one comes along with limitless potential and we play him in the backs! In one of the minor replays against Dublin in 2010, he was moved into full forward and caused all sorts of damage. He's not one of these players that has to be running onto the ball all the time.
Completely agree think he scored five from play or something like that when picked top of the left in the decisive game against the Dubs that year. Hopefully it's a dummy team, I can't understand how Cribbin would not be thought of as being in our top six forwards, particularly when there's a couple of square pegs in round holes in the team he has picked.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 19, 2013, 11:33:36 AM
It's Oaks day at the Curragh tomorrow as well so the town will be chaotic.
Brilliant. Please help me with parking and directions - coming from Dublin.
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Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 19, 2013, 11:33:36 AM
It's Oaks day at the Curragh tomorrow as well so the town will be chaotic.
Brilliant. Please help me with parking and directions - coming from Dublin.
There's free parking in the Whitewater Centre in the middle of the town if you buy a match programme. Take the left at the lights on the bridge on the way into the town then turn right after about half a mile, Whitewater carpark is signposted here. Ground is only a short walk away back down the town, just off the Main Street. Usually takes a while getting back out afterwards and you're as well off going for a coffee somewhere and allow the traffic to clear.
Alternatively get the train from Heuston Station if it's an option.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 19, 2013, 11:25:08 AM
What's the story on tickets lads?
If I was to just turn up would I get in?
The last time I was in Newbridge was when Canavan & Cush won their first AI U-21 title, hammering Kerry.
I was there myself. Dungannon Tech won the All Ireland Vocational Schools in the match before it IIRC?
Not totally convinced with McRory or McKenna but overall generally happy with the team and glad to see O'Neill back. Don't think McAliskey did enough in the last few games to keep his place but still good do something from the bench. The forward lines is full of workers but there is a plenty of potential for scores as well. And if we're struggling the likes of Justy, Cassidy, Coney and McAliskey are good options from the bench. Fitness will be tested tomorrow given the conditions!
Fuzzman I think there are still some tickets available on line for the terrace and I'm sure there'll be the odd season ticket etc floating about.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 19, 2013, 01:47:57 PM
Not totally convinced with McRory or McKenna but overall generally happy with the team and glad to see O'Neill back. Don't think McAliskey did enough in the last few games to keep his place but still good do something from the bench. The forward lines is full of workers but there is a plenty of potential for scores as well. And if we're struggling the likes of Justy, Cassidy, Coney and McAliskey are good options from the bench. Fitness will be tested tomorrow given the conditions!
Fuzzman I think there are still some tickets available on line for the terrace and I'm sure there'll be the odd season ticket etc floating about.
I think the opposite of that forward line, not enough scores in it and I can't understand why MH persists with it when it has been our downfall the past few years and will more than likely be again tomorrow.
I think the flourbags on home turf will edge a win tomorrow against a mostly new and young red erse side still finding its feet.
Looking forward to seeing it on telly.
the cribbin tactic is a legacy from prev years where the kildare mgt thought they should play a whf at whb to mitigate against the opposition whf dropping back.
This came directly from a member of the mgt. Interesting thinking, but never worked for kildare back then at least.
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Not totally convinced with McRory or McKenna but overall generally happy with the team and glad to see O'Neill back. Don't think McAliskey did enough in the last few games to keep his place but still good do something from the bench. The forward lines is full of workers but there is a plenty of potential for scores as well. And if we're struggling the likes of Justy, Cassidy, Coney and McAliskey are good options from the bench. Fitness will be tested tomorrow given the conditions!
Fuzzman I think there are still some tickets available on line for the terrace and I'm sure there'll be the odd season ticket etc floating about.
I think the opposite of that forward line, not enough scores in it and I can't understand why MH persists with it when it has been our downfall the past few years and will more than likely be again tomorrow.
You need balance in your forward line and to me with the players available the forward line picked has as good a balance between hard work and scores as we have. All of them (maybe less so with Joe McMahon) are capable of getting scores. I could see an argument maybe for Coney but again due to injury he hasn't got a good run this year either. McAliskey has had chances but hasn't taken them recently. And Ronan O'Neill has yet to properly get over his injuries. What would you like to see the forward line be?
For purely nefarious purposes, I want Tyrone to win this. We crave the opportunity to save the game from the rise of another antifootball demon brood by annihilating this generation with Herod-like brutality.
Quote from: Hardy on July 19, 2013, 07:17:36 PM
For purely nefarious purposes, I want Tyrone to win this. We crave the opportunity to save the game from the rise of another antifootball demon brood by annihilating this generation with Herod-like brutality.
away to get a dictionary
Annihilate: destroy, massacre, slaughter.
Quote from: Hardy on July 19, 2013, 07:17:36 PM
For purely nefarious purposes, I want Tyrone to win this. We crave the opportunity to save the game from the rise of another antifootball demon brood by annihilating this generation with Herod-like brutality.
Much irony I sense in this.
I think the extra week's rest will be a factor for Tyrone. Can you imagine playing for 70 minutes at full tilt in these conditions? I am struggling to get a bottle of supremely chilled pinot grigio down me face in this heat. Only Stevie and McCurry in that front 6 are swing and shoot men. The other 4 are workers. This concerns me. It always concerns me, but there are shooters on the bench. I expect to see Ronan O'Neill, McAliskey and Coney make an appearance if the game is tight. We need a big game from Sean. Really looking forward to the game. Second journey down to Newbridge in 2013. I fully expect to make the quarter finals in August...but this will be tense.
How old is Conor Gormley................ is this his last season ???
Think Kildare will squeak this one with He Man OConnor launching his arse at a high ball and it some how finding the net...........Kildare by 2
Conor must be 32 at least. Wouldn't be surprised if he is still around next year. Has arguably been our best defender this year.
I got some predictions wrong earlier in this thread as the GAA went against the grain and had a double dip draw last week without too much publicity (why are these draws on the radio at half 8 in the morning? can the ulster folk even get to hear them live?).
Anyhow sticking to the lilies by more than 6 but less than 12.
Quote(why are these draws on the radio at half 8 in the morning? can the ulster folk even get to hear them live?)
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It seems an odd time, but anyone can listen to them, they may need to retune their radio. In any case, the draw is on Twitter etc 30 secs later.
I think if Tyrone click they will be hard to stop. Serious talent on the team. Tyrone 1-12 Kildare 0-10
I'm just worried about scores. McCurry, before he went off injured in the semi, was well held by their baldy corner back. Penrose will roam out. If O'Neill is held we could struggle.
Fancy Kildare in this
Kildare 1-10 Tyrone 0-11
Is the ground far from train station gents?
Quote from: ONeill on July 20, 2013, 08:33:33 AM
I'm just worried about scores. McCurry, before he went off injured in the semi, was well held by their baldy corner back. Penrose will roam out. If O'Neill is held we could struggle.
+1
Has been our Achilles heel that everytime we've met a decent defence. Sean Cavanagh to full forward alongide O'Neill. Cassidy or Justy into midfield. Penrise benched.
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Quote from: ONeill on July 20, 2013, 08:33:33 AM
I'm just worried about scores. McCurry, before he went off injured in the semi, was well held by their baldy corner back. Penrose will roam out. If O'Neill is held we could struggle.
+1
Has been our Achilles heel that everytime we've met a decent defence. Sean Cavanagh to full forward alongide O'Neill. Cassidy or Justy into midfield. Penrise benched.
+2
Sean should be at FF all the time, with Cass or Joe in midfield. I think Sean adds a bigger scoring threat from FF.. He did win player of the year from there a few years back..
Link for this evenings game http://webfirstrow.eu/watch/196365/1/watch--gaa-football-national-league:-kildare-vs-tyrone-.html
http://webfirstrow.eu/
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 19, 2013, 11:25:08 AM
What's the story on tickets lads?
If I was to just turn up would I get in?
I just bought some tickets on www.tickets.ie ,still available ..
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I'm just worried about scores. McCurry, before he went off injured in the semi, was well held by their baldy corner back. Penrose will roam out. If O'Neill is held we could struggle.
+1
Has been our Achilles heel that everytime we've met a decent defence. Sean Cavanagh to full forward alongide O'Neill. Cassidy or Justy into midfield. Penrise benched.
+2
Sean should be at FF all the time, with Cass or Joe in midfield. I think Sean adds a bigger scoring threat from FF.. He did win player of the year from there a few years back..
Bit late moving Sean there now. He needs a run of games at FF to get up to speed. Has contributed litte this year when moved up during games.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 20, 2013, 10:38:47 AM
Is the ground far from train station gents?
10 minute walk.
https://maps.google.ie/maps?saddr=Unknown+road&daddr=Main+Street&hl=en&sll=53.18243,-6.802683&sspn=0.014582,0.042272&geocode=FXmJKwMdKhqY_w%3BFfN5KwMdokiY_w&dirflg=w&mra=ltm&t=m&z=16 (https://maps.google.ie/maps?saddr=Unknown+road&daddr=Main+Street&hl=en&sll=53.18243,-6.802683&sspn=0.014582,0.042272&geocode=FXmJKwMdKhqY_w%3BFfN5KwMdokiY_w&dirflg=w&mra=ltm&t=m&z=16)
Quote from: tyroneman on July 20, 2013, 12:58:01 PM
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Quote from: ONeill on July 20, 2013, 08:33:33 AM
I'm just worried about scores. McCurry, before he went off injured in the semi, was well held by their baldy corner back. Penrose will roam out. If O'Neill is held we could struggle.
+1
Has been our Achilles heel that everytime we've met a decent defence. Sean Cavanagh to full forward alongide O'Neill. Cassidy or Justy into midfield. Penrise benched.
+2
Sean should be at FF all the time, with Cass or Joe in midfield. I think Sean adds a bigger scoring threat from FF.. He did win player of the year from there a few years back..
Bit late moving Sean there now. He needs a run of games at FF to get up to speed. Has contributed litte this year when moved up during games.
It's never too late, he is a quality player.. Good hands and great feet , he has lost a touch of pace so is ideally suited to FF.. It's just a matter of getting the ball into him
Up Tyrone!! For no other reason than I'm sick of playing Kildare! The natural superiority of the Southern Uí Néill over our northern cousins is sure to shine through when we play Tyrone anyway.
Who will win? - Michael Lester.
Sadly I think Tyrone. - Pat Spillane
Ty 0-3 Kil 0-2 (9 min). Jesus but Marty Morrissey is rubbish, missed the reason Kildare got a free out after hand passing the ball into the goal and couldn't tell Kelly's poor scoring effort was that and not a pass in toward corner!!!
Goal Tyrone!
Kildare looking poor at the moment.
CPT McStay creaming himself when kildare have the ball
Kildare have been awful and this could end up a hiding.
Kildare are very disappointing. Tyrone's to lose
Apart for Doyle none of the other Kildare forwards would even score in a brothel.
C Cavanagh is a waste of a jersey. I cannot for the life of me see what he brings to Tyrone. Penrose has give every ball away.
Colm Cavanagh is hot and cold but i think he's earned his jersey over the likes of Cassidy
Kildare have scored 4/16 shots Tyrone have scored 7/13, Kildare dominating midfield.
Tyrone aren't even playing well.
Haven't seen shooting this bad since the some of the bad days under Micko....
Quote from: reddgnhand on July 20, 2013, 07:43:45 PM
C Cavanagh is a waste of a jersey. I cannot for the life of me see what he brings to Tyrone. Penrose has give every ball away.
Imagine how Kildare feel, they have at least half a dozen of their own on the pitch too
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2013, 07:52:12 PM
Kildare have scored 4/16 shots Tyrone have scored 7/13, Kildare dominating midfield.
Tyrone aren't even playing well.
Haven't seen shooting this bad since the some of the bad days under Micko....
Hopefully I'll be able to get the flag back up on the hedge.
Any radio coverage lads?
What is Petey Harte playing at? Given away two ridiculous balls
Kildare starting second half well, 1-6 to 0-6 now.
Point in it now.
Drat..........................My Saturday evening is ruined now, kildare make a game of it now
Level now and all Kildare so far this half.
That penalty save could be a huge turning point in the game.
Did O'Neill hit the pen? Not like him to miss it
Yeah and a very poor penalty it was. I, like you, expected O'Neill to sink it.
Tyrone back in front by two.
Quote from: tyssam5 on July 20, 2013, 08:17:14 PM
Did O'Neill hit the pen? Not like him to miss it
One of those ones where, if the keeper guesses the right way, its at a perfect height and position for him to save it. Still a good save though.
Meath won't lose any sleep watching this game.
Peter Kelly sent off for Kildare
Tyrone 1.10
Kildare 0.10
4 points in it. Not long left.
Kildare kicking it away with all those wides.
Just as I type, Kildare get it back to 3 points and under 2 minutes left.
Neither team impressive tonight but Tyrone won't be a soft touch for anyone.
Maurice Fitzgearld-esque by Seanie there.
If only P O'Neill's attempt after the penalty save had gone over :(
Well done Tyrone, you forced us to shoot from wide positions in the 1st half and then re-adjusted midfield with 15 to go, the game was won on the sideline in the 2nd half and by Kildare's sloppiness in the first half.
They'll beat Meath and wouldn't fancy them in the q/f best of luck.
Now where is the nearest micro-brewery?
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 20, 2013, 08:25:18 PM
Meath won't lose any sleep watching this game.
I would, Tyrone won a game away from home against a Division One side in the Championship. There were questions asked of Tyrone at a certain stage of the second half. They showed composure and moved up a gear.
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Quote from: Blowitupref on July 20, 2013, 08:25:18 PM
Meath won't lose any sleep watching this game.
I would, Tyrone won a game away from home against a Division One side in the Championship. There were questions asked of Tyrone at a certain stage of the second half. They showed composure and moved up a gear.
Exactly they should tried tremendous composure in the last 10 minutes outscoring Kildare 4-2. That's kind of composure Meath were lacking against Dublin. Can see Tyrone winning comfortably to be honest.
Quote from: Syferus on July 20, 2013, 08:38:18 PM
Maurice Fitzgearld-esque by Seanie there.
Fitzgerald meant it.
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Quote from: Syferus on July 20, 2013, 08:38:18 PM
Maurice Fitzgearld-esque by Seanie there.
Fitzgerald meant it.
Ah the irony........geezers prodigy kicks the ball over the bar in a 3pt game instead of floating it in for a chance of a goal
Great win from Tyrone. They responded when the questions were asked. Bring on Meath now, it's been a while (6 years I think) since a big championship match against them.
Fair play to Tyrone, a little bit closer than it should have been but that's another hard championship game under the belt. Hopefully that will stand them in good over the next few weeks! It's all about winning but we have too many weaknesses which I fear may be cruelly exposed by a decent team in the quarters.
Quote from: CK_Redhand on July 20, 2013, 07:51:36 PM
Colm Cavanagh is hot and cold but i think he's earned his jersey over the likes of Cassidy
Your joking I hope? A Cassidy done more in the time he was on than C Cavanagh has done the whole championship.
Quote from: reddgnhand on July 20, 2013, 08:57:16 PM
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Colm Cavanagh is hot and cold but i think he's earned his jersey over the likes of Cassidy
Your joking I hope? A Cassidy done more in the time he was on than C Cavanagh has done the whole championship.
Easy to say after the match. I agree Cassidy had a good game today but IMO Colm Cavanagh should start ahead of him.
I thought Cassidy changed the flow of the game when he came on as well. Have to say Tyrone in full flow are class to watch. A great Croke Park team as well. So many good performances all over and have a great bench as well.
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Colm Cavanagh is hot and cold but i think he's earned his jersey over the likes of Cassidy
Your joking I hope? A Cassidy done more in the time he was on than C Cavanagh has done the whole championship.
Easy to say after the match. I agree Cassidy had a good game today but IMO Colm Cavanagh should start ahead of him.
I'm curious why?
Tough game against Kildare in their own patch in the baking heat. Tyrone's midfield was poor first and second half till Cassidy came on. Colm's approach to each kickout seemed static and telegraphed-dropped a lot of ball. Cassidy seemed to make the right decisions-standoff, punch, layoff, etc. Still think Colm should start for a bit of hatefulness round the middle of the park and he normally picks off a point or two. Nice to have a plan B.
Two very dodgy decisions aided Kildare's fightback-(see mystery free right in front of the posts!!??). However-fair play to them-they really did open us up around the middle of the park and maybe with a more experienced manager, might have continued this onslaught.
Think Mark Donnelly really stood up in the second half when others faltered. Against a team tackling as poorly as Kildare, it's always wise to carry the ball into the tackle and Donnelly is the man to do it.
Good first half from McCurry-just showed a small bit of inexperience in the second-great prospect. Defence did well enough. Bring on the Royalists!!
By the way-how can all those pundits claim that Donnelly took too many steps in the run-up to the penalty, even after the game? Was taking three four steps between each solo/bounce. They really do talk some shite sometimes.
To the Kildare lads - is this the end for Johnny? One of my all-time favourite players.
I would be worried when Johnny Doyle steps down-class act.
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Colm Cavanagh is hot and cold but i think he's earned his jersey over the likes of Cassidy
Your joking I hope? A Cassidy done more in the time he was on than C Cavanagh has done the whole championship.
Easy to say after the match. I agree Cassidy had a good game today but IMO Colm Cavanagh should start ahead of him.
I'm curious why?
Its hard to quantify but cassidy plays better coming off the bench. Please prove me wrong but I feel like in the past cassidy hasn't played well when he was started in big games. I hope I'm proved wrong in the future
I would have given Mark Donnelly motm, I thought he won a lot of crucial breaking ball at vital times in both halves. Peter Harte stepped it up in the final quarter as well.
Well done Tyrone, worthy winners. Time for a change for Kildare.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 20, 2013, 10:12:46 PM
Well done Tyrone, worthy winners. Time for a change for Kildare.
Who though?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2013, 10:24:11 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 20, 2013, 10:12:46 PM
Well done Tyrone, worthy winners. Time for a change for Kildare.
Who though?
Banty. You wouldn't even need to change your avatar picture.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2013, 10:24:11 PM
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Well done Tyrone, worthy winners. Time for a change for Kildare.
Who though?
who were the minor and u21 managers?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2013, 10:24:11 PM
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Well done Tyrone, worthy winners. Time for a change for Kildare.
Who though?
It's high time Seán Brady was given a go.
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Well done Tyrone, worthy winners. Time for a change for Kildare.
Who though?
who were the minor and u21 managers?
That McGeeney lad is a real up and comer, he should get a shot at the job.
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Quote from: CK_Redhand on July 20, 2013, 07:51:36 PM
Colm Cavanagh is hot and cold but i think he's earned his jersey over the likes of Cassidy
Your joking I hope? A Cassidy done more in the time he was on than C Cavanagh has done the whole championship.
Easy to say after the match. I agree Cassidy had a good game today but IMO Colm Cavanagh should start ahead of him.
I'm curious why?
Its hard to quantify but cassidy plays better coming off the bench. Please prove me wrong but I feel like in the past cassidy hasn't played well when he was started in big games. I hope I'm proved wrong in the future
Cassidy aside what do you see in C Cavanagh?
Quote from: INDIANA on July 20, 2013, 10:28:40 PM
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Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 20, 2013, 10:12:46 PM
Well done Tyrone, worthy winners. Time for a change for Kildare.
Who though?
who were the minor and u21 managers?
McGeeney was u21 Brian Murphy minor
Biggest influence on the minors this year was Brian Lacey imho
A league semi-final an u21 and junior leinster is a good season by kildare standards. We also blooded 4 19 year olds kelly flynn hyland and brophy and 3 20 year olds donnelan cribben and hurley. 2 Leinsters in 60 years so any managerial debate needs perspective and thoughtful analysis, we only need to look at our neighbours Meath to see what continuity and lack of continuity can achieve.
Thought it was a scrappy enough game in parts.. Thought Tyrone weathered the Kildare storm and then closed out the game well enough, still room for improvement .. The full game will serve oneill well... Doesn't matter how good a player is , if they are out if action for a few weeks it takes a good full game to get the rustiness out.. Mark Donnelly was our best player by a mile in second half... Sean was fairly good all game..
Kildare fairly came out all guns blazing in second half and but for poor shooting could have won the game, but that's a statement that can be attached to Kildare the last 20 years... They seem to have good young players coming through so the future could be bright enough.
Another tough assignment next Saturday but hopefully we can squeeze through..
For Gods sake get Brophy out of the full forward line.
Kildare need to stop jamming midfielders into as many positions as possible, this isn't underage football.
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Colm Cavanagh is hot and cold but i think he's earned his jersey over the likes of Cassidy
Your joking I hope? A Cassidy done more in the time he was on than C Cavanagh has done the whole championship.
Easy to say after the match. I agree Cassidy had a good game today but IMO Colm Cavanagh should start ahead of him.
I'm curious why?
Its hard to quantify but cassidy plays better coming off the bench. Please prove me wrong but I feel like in the past cassidy hasn't played well when he was started in big games. I hope I'm proved wrong in the future
Cassidy aside what do you see in C Cavanagh?
Cavanagh is a big man, he works like fcuk and knows the system. Has plenty of experience at this stage as well. Cassidy is a better attacker, but both are important.
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Looks like the Lillies weren't happy with Dublin Joe McQuillan.
He's lucky he wasn't hit with a barrage of ham sandwiches.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 20, 2013, 10:48:17 PM
For Gods sake get Brophy out of the full forward line.
Kildare need to stop jamming midfielders into as many positions as possible, this isn't underage football.
May not be his best position but that's where he has played all his under-age football.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 20, 2013, 10:56:38 PM
He's lucky he wasn't hit with a barrage of ham sandwiches.
It's Kildare, he'd be pretty safe from been hit.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2013, 10:58:28 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 20, 2013, 10:48:17 PM
For Gods sake get Brophy out of the full forward line.
Kildare need to stop jamming midfielders into as many positions as possible, this isn't underage football.
May not be his best position but that's where he has played all his under-age football.
As a corner forward?!
He's about 6'5".
Quote from: Jinxy on July 20, 2013, 11:04:20 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2013, 10:58:28 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 20, 2013, 10:48:17 PM
For Gods sake get Brophy out of the full forward line.
Kildare need to stop jamming midfielders into as many positions as possible, this isn't underage football.
May not be his best position but that's where he has played all his under-age football.
As a corner forward?!
He's about 6'5".
6'3'' Full-forward. He's a super talent, he hasn't had a break in about 2 years, in the last 12 months he as played club minor, 21 and Senior, county minor 21 and senior and Sigerson and Freshers football. Also could be heading to the AFL ran a 14.7 in their beep test, the best Australian score was a 15.3.
If he has an engine like that, move him out to the middle third.
He hasn't the pace to play in the FF line as a senior.
A bit cumbersome in possession too, defenders will wrap him up and turn him over.
Where is Fogarty these days?
Quote from: Jinxy on July 20, 2013, 11:15:01 PM
If he has an engine like that, move him out to the middle third.
He hasn't the pace to play in the FF line as a senior.
A bit cumbersome in possession too, defenders will wrap him up and turn him over.
Where is Fogarty these days?
He's actually quick but I think he's inexperience and in particular his inability to use his size goes against him. Midfield could be his best position long-term.
A recruit in the Army, recruit training clashed with the senior commitments so he had to take himself off the panel.
The problem with playing lads that tall in the full forward line is that every time they play the ball they are at risk of being dispossessed for the simple reason that the ball has to travel to the ground/toe from a greater height.
Its easier for a defender to get a hand in and disrupt it.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 20, 2013, 11:25:15 PM
The problem with playing lads that tall in the full forward line is that every time they play the ball they are at risk of being dispossessed for the simple reason that the ball has to travel to the ground/toe from a greater height.
Its easier for a defender to get a hand in and disrupt it.
Yea Michael Murphy complains constantly about that problem
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2013, 11:10:02 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 20, 2013, 11:04:20 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2013, 10:58:28 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 20, 2013, 10:48:17 PM
For Gods sake get Brophy out of the full forward line.
Kildare need to stop jamming midfielders into as many positions as possible, this isn't underage football.
May not be his best position but that's where he has played all his under-age football.
As a corner forward?!
He's about 6'5".
6'3'' Full-forward. He's a super talent, he hasn't had a break in about 2 years, in the last 12 months he as played club minor, 21 and Senior, county minor 21 and senior and Sigerson and Freshers football. Also could be heading to the AFL ran a 14.7 in their beep test, the best Australian score was a 15.3.
He's a funny sort of player Dinny. Great finish for the goal v dublin then some not so good finishing. He doesn't look prolific to play in front of goal for me. But he's a hell of a good footballer.
For me Niall Kelly is the best young Kildare player. Real class. Massive error taking him off tonight. Fair enough he gave a couple of balls away. But he turned the tide tonight
Five lads in the dublin squad have beaten 14.7 anyway. Take more then that for the Aussies to take him which is good for Kildare. AFL has enough players.
Michael Murphy is a powerful man.
He can protect the ball with his body.
A young lad like Brophy is all knees and elbows.
Great to grab the win. An excellent response to Kildare's second half onslaught which gives me a bit of hope for the future. Some initial thoughts are:
1. Peter Kelly and SoN had some battle. Poor aul Stevey had probably only got over Neil Magee's gauntlet then he faces that! One downside was Kelly's reaction to their bit off argy bargy when he went to down like he'd been shot, not before sneaking a quick look to see if anyone was looking!
2. No one has mentioned him yet but Mattie Donnelly had a storming first half. Finished his goal superbly which was almost a carbon copy of the one he scored in the league semi final. Also scored a real beauty from the corner after his goal. Is turning into a very big player for us, the new Hoover?
3. Joe McMahon had a great game tidying up loose ends around the full back line all night. One of the bestexponents of the sweeper role.
Anyway, best of luck to the Kildare lads next year, a couple of real stars coming through.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 20, 2013, 11:41:14 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2013, 11:10:02 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 20, 2013, 11:04:20 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2013, 10:58:28 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 20, 2013, 10:48:17 PM
For Gods sake get Brophy out of the full forward line.
Kildare need to stop jamming midfielders into as many positions as possible, this isn't underage football.
May not be his best position but that's where he has played all his under-age football.
As a corner forward?!
He's about 6'5".
6'3'' Full-forward. He's a super talent, he hasn't had a break in about 2 years, in the last 12 months he as played club minor, 21 and Senior, county minor 21 and senior and Sigerson and Freshers football. Also could be heading to the AFL ran a 14.7 in their beep test, the best Australian score was a 15.3.
He's a funny sort of player Dinny. Great finish for the goal v dublin then some not so good finishing. He doesn't look prolific to play in front of goal for me. But he's a hell of a good footballer.
For me Niall Kelly is the best young Kildare player. Real class. Massive error taking him off tonight. Fair enough he gave a couple of balls away. But he turned the tide tonight
Five lads in the dublin squad have beaten 14.7 anyway. Take more then that for the Aussies to take him which is good for Kildare. AFL has enough players.
Brophy is only 19 so his tests in that regard will improve. Yea a good footballer but a bit of a conundrum regarding his best position alright.
Niall shipped a bad knock in the 1st half (a head high tackle that didn't even merit a yellow) but for a 19 year old he showed great leadership, he was tiring and I say that knock was catching up on him and his concentration levels were definitely slipping. He was a loss as was O'Callaghan to injury only Hurley in the last 10 mins seemed capable of taking the game to Tyrone.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2013, 10:44:32 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 20, 2013, 10:28:40 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2013, 10:24:11 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 20, 2013, 10:12:46 PM
Well done Tyrone, worthy winners. Time for a change for Kildare.
Who though?
who were the minor and u21 managers?
McGeeney was u21 Brian Murphy minor
Biggest influence on the minors this year was Brian Lacey imho
A league semi-final an u21 and junior leinster is a good season by kildare standards. We also blooded 4 19 year olds kelly flynn hyland and brophy and 3 20 year olds donnelan cribben and hurley. 2 Leinsters in 60 years so any managerial debate needs perspective and thoughtful analysis, we only need to look at our neighbours Meath to see what continuity and lack of continuity can achieve.
6 years is enough really unless you are Brian Cody. Maybe give Lacey a go. He was a selector with Limerick too I believe. Promoting from within has worked elsewhere
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 20, 2013, 11:45:07 PM
Great to grab the win. An excellent response to Kildare's second half onslaught which gives me a bit of hope for the future. Some initial thoughts are:
1. Peter Kelly and SoN had some battle. Poor aul Stevey had probably only got over Neil Magee's gauntlet then he faces that! One downside was Kelly's reaction to their bit off argy bargy when he went to down like he'd been shot, not before sneaking a quick look to see if anyone was looking!
2. No one has mentioned him yet but Mattie Donnelly had a storming first half. Finished his goal superbly which was almost a carbon copy of the one he scored in the league semi final. Also scored a real beauty from the corner after his goal. Is turning into a very big player for us, the new Hoover?
3. Joe McMahon had a great game tidying up loose ends around the full back line all night. One of the bestexponents of the sweeper role.
Anyway, best of luck to the Kildare lads next year, a couple of real stars coming through.
Yea that was pretty cringe worthy and very un-Kildare like, no harm done from it.
I thought Glenn Ryan was the heir apparent?
Quote from: INDIANA on July 20, 2013, 11:52:51 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2013, 10:44:32 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 20, 2013, 10:28:40 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2013, 10:24:11 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 20, 2013, 10:12:46 PM
Well done Tyrone, worthy winners. Time for a change for Kildare.
Who though?
who were the minor and u21 managers?
McGeeney was u21 Brian Murphy minor
Biggest influence on the minors this year was Brian Lacey imho
A league semi-final an u21 and junior leinster is a good season by kildare standards. We also blooded 4 19 year olds kelly flynn hyland and brophy and 3 20 year olds donnelan cribben and hurley. 2 Leinsters in 60 years so any managerial debate needs perspective and thoughtful analysis, we only need to look at our neighbours Meath to see what continuity and lack of continuity can achieve.
6 years is enough really unless you are Brian Cody. Maybe give Lacey a go. He was a selector with Limerick too I believe. Promoting from within has worked elsewhere
I wouldn't like to put a time-line on it, just look at Anthony Daly most people would have thought at the end of last season that this year was a year too far for him and looked how it's turning out for him.
Lacey is now in the system and I think he could be a future candidate but my own gut is I think McGeeney should be allowed make his own decision. He's a very strong character and I expect he will do what he thinks is best for Kildare football and not what's best for Kieran McGeeney.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 20, 2013, 11:58:53 PM
I thought Glenn Ryan was the heir apparent?
Glenn would be a popular choice but hasn't been involved at a Kildare level since 2008 and the u21s. His Leinster championship record with Longford is pretty abysmal 1 win in 5 years including 2 defeats to Wicklow. There is no stand-out candidate, our club championship is dominated by high-profile outside managers.
What to do with Peter Harte?
An OK Tyrone performance but enough to win in Newbridge.
Gormley, Sean, Mattie, Mark, O'Neill and Clarke had decent games. No stand out.
Errors by McCarron and McCrory were nearly very costly in the first half. McKenna did alright.
McCurry won every ball played towards him in the first half but needs to offer something in terms of a scoring threat against physical defences. O'Neill is still on his own.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 20, 2013, 11:43:05 PM
Michael Murphy is a powerful man.
He can protect the ball with his body.
A young lad like Brophy is all knees and elbows.
Im giving Paul Flynn the credit for that, they share an house together in the capital and Flynner lets him eat all his grub and read all his flex mags ;)
Quote from: ONeill on July 21, 2013, 12:19:14 AM
What to do with Peter Harte?
An OK Tyrone performance but enough to win in Newbridge.
Gormley, Sean, Mattie, Mark, O'Neill and Clarke had decent games. No stand out.
Errors by McCarron and McCrory were nearly very costly in the first half. McKenna did alright.
McCurry won every ball played towards him in the first half but needs to offer something in terms of a scoring threat against physical defences. O'Neill is still on his own.
What to do with Peter Harte?? At the minute it would be sit him on the bench. He has been pretty awful all year, maybe he hasn't had a run of games in the same position but his confidence seems shot to pieces dwells too long in possession, always seems to take the tackle when there is no need and distribution was poor again last night.. The only upside is that he became more involved in the last 10 mins or so... He has all the talent in the world and a good engine but there seems to be something missing...hope he improves
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2013, 10:24:11 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 20, 2013, 10:12:46 PM
Well done Tyrone, worthy winners. Time for a change for Kildare.
Who though?
This is it. I wouldn't be against either Glenn or Murphy getting a go at it but whether either man would want it is unknown. My preference would be for Murphy. If the majority of next year's panel is likely to be made up of players who have come through the underage ranks in the last few years then he's the obvious choice.
Feckin Kildare would break your heart. Came out really well in the 2nd half, and after the peno save the game was right there for them - if they had taken the lead I think the confidence it would have given them and the crowd would have been enough to see them through.
Huge error by PONeill to kick the ball to the keeper straight after the peno, Kildare lads were flying up the field, one or two more passes and there would have been an easy point. Also OConnor had a great goal chance shortly after but ducked out of it when he saw the keeper out of the corner of his eye. I've defended him in the past but no excuse for that especially bearing in mind the type of footballer he is. In saying that it was silly to take him off and then start lumping high balls on top of Johnny! SeanieJ deserves a right a kick up the jacksey for his misplaced sideline at the end.
I can't say I watch a whole heap of Tyrone, but based on the league semi and final and that game last night, I find it utterly bizarre that Aidan Cassidy is behind ColmC in the pecking order.
I'd pick PHarte at number 15, and let him roam wherever he wants out the field. Very talented lad, but imo he certainly can't play at centre half back
no harm to lacy or murphy, but kildare need an experienced manager with ability to harness the young talent and make them winners in senior football.
mcgeeney never had that experience and while he has brought in 'structures' he was always a gamble and its a roy of the rovers type scenario to expect him to deliver anything.
He will do better with each job he gets.
Kildare need a micko, kernan, harte, gilroy type.
jason ryan would be a great shout if he could commit -even though he didnt win anything with wexford.
I'm sure Niall carew would want the job. He has intercounty senior mgt exp now too.
Someone like Michael Dempsey - a selector with Brian Cody - might bring a winning style of management to the squad.
Imo Kildare dont have anyone experienced enough to take this job- and they need one as imo they could be AI contenders.
Seeing that Jason Ryan was involved this year would he not be a viable candidate? Don't think Glen will be staying on with Longford after 5 years and as a local might be a less expensive option!
Quote from: Qwerty28 on July 21, 2013, 11:40:30 AM
Seeing that Jason Ryan was involved this year would he not be a viable candidate? Don't think Glen will be staying on with Longford after 5 years and as a local might be a less expensive option!
My understanding is that Jason Ryan had a few offers for management positions before Christmas but he did not wish to commit full time to a county at this time in his life. That's why the position with Kildare that did not require the same hours appealed to him.
Hi guys,
Tactical analysis on an unusual evening in Newbridge here
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7471
Emmet
Quote from: Hound on July 21, 2013, 11:33:19 AM
Feckin Kildare would break your heart. Came out really well in the 2nd half, and after the peno save the game was right there for them - if they had taken the lead I think the confidence it would have given them and the crowd would have been enough to see them through.
Huge error by PONeill to kick the ball to the keeper straight after the peno, Kildare lads were flying up the field, one or two more passes and there would have been an easy point. Also OConnor had a great goal chance shortly after but ducked out of it when he saw the keeper out of the corner of his eye. I've defended him in the past but no excuse for that especially bearing in mind the type of footballer he is. In saying that it was silly to take him off and then start lumping high balls on top of Johnny! SeanieJ deserves a right a kick up the jacksey for his misplaced sideline at the end.
I can't say I watch a whole heap of Tyrone, but based on the league semi and final and that game last night, I find it utterly bizarre that Aidan Cassidy is behind ColmC in the pecking order.
I'd pick PHarte at number 15, and let him roam wherever he wants out the field. Very talented lad, but imo he certainly can't play at centre half back
You are not the only one who finds it bizarre. Cassidy is a very patient man.
I find it more bizarre than Penrose is a constant starter on the team and doesn't do a lot to justify it. As I said last week, the Tyrone attack is too blunt, forwards aren;t direct enough and seem to be too keen to recycle the ball all the time. McCurry got a lot of ball but rarely tried to take his man on. The only man who tried to beat his man was SON, even if he was being fouled multiple times each time he did it.
Obviously McGeeney had targeted SON shouldn't get anywhere near the time & space he should in the league semi, which is fair enough. He seemed to have at LEAST 1 or 2 men hanging out of him the whole time. There was times the ref did give the free but there was also lots of times he didn't.
It reminded me of how Donegal handle Stevie.
Whilst I can appreciate you have to often double mark someone like this and try all sorts to put him off, I think the ref has to be strong and punish persistent fouling with yellow cards. The lads on TSG mentioned next year black cards will be issued for some of those tackles. If that's the case then why aren't yellows been issued.
Some of ye might say why am I whinging about this, sure didn't we win but had we lost. Had that penalty miss been costly then I'd be whinging after a loss and it would be sour grapes.
In this era of complex defensive systems, I think it's vital referees protect "star" forwards (even Gooch) and don't take the attitude of let it flow to see what happens. More often that not the forward gets fouled nearly every time and eventually he gets frustrated and lashes out.
My main question for any refs on here is, do IC refs make exceptions for some "star" forwards because they are big & strong and they let fouls go that they might give in other circumstances?
Yeah yeah, I know. Its rich for a Tyrone man to be giving out about negative defensive tactics & we deserve all we get but we pay into matches to see our best players perform and more and more this is not happening.
Come on fuzzman......Gormley and Ricey and even Jordan made the kildare lads look pale in comparison to the antics they used to get up too.............have in said that Gormley is still at his nonsense talk
I'm not saying they didn't SINS and I stated teams have to do what they can to contain these players.
Often they gave away silly frees in the process and of course often they got away with it as well.
All I'm saying is why can't refs be consistent and give the same frees for fouls on one guy that they do for others.
For you as a neutral, did you think Stevie was being pulled and dragged all day. I agree its a hard talk to mark him as he gets out in front well and often wins the ball in front but some refs seem to let it go when he's been pulled back.
I didn't see much of the Armagh match but it looked to me like Jamie Clarke was getting similar treatment and wasn't getting the frees for it.
It will be interesting to see next Sat how the ref interprets similar fouls in Croker but then again Meath don't do that much fouling.
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 22, 2013, 09:04:06 AM
I find it more bizarre than Penrose is a constant starter on the team and doesn't do a lot to justify it. As I said last week, the Tyrone attack is too blunt, forwards aren;t direct enough and seem to be too keen to recycle the ball all the time. McCurry got a lot of ball but rarely tried to take his man on. The only man who tried to beat his man was SON, even if he was being fouled multiple times each time he did it.
Is it not the case that with blanket defences all your man has to do is slow you down even marginally to allow the wolf pack to pounce.
Unless you are 1 on 1 with no other opposition within 20 yards it is best not to carry the ball into the tackle.
Mightn't have happened for him as a manager but mark my words in years to come the McGeaney management will be seen as a turning point for Kildare football. Always short 2/3 players every year but they imvho will come in time. Kildare in around 5 years or so will be AI champions, of that I am sure.
Watching the game it struck me that the Tyrone players looked heavy and dare I say it fat. Might be the jerseys or an optical illusion.
Quote from: Canalman on July 22, 2013, 11:45:16 AM
Mightn't have happened for him as a manager but mark my words in years to come the McGeaney management will be seen as a turning point for Kildare football. Always short 2/3 players every year but they imvho will come in time. Kildare in around 5 years or so will be AI champions, of that I am sure.
Watching the game it struck me that the Tyrone players looked heavy and dare I say it fat. Might be the jerseys or an optical illusion.
Optical illusion I'd say or else too much Hunky Dorys.
Quote from: Canalman on July 22, 2013, 11:45:16 AM
Watching the game it struck me that the Tyrone players looked heavy and dare I say it fat. Might be the jerseys or an optical illusion.
Were you seeing crisps? ;)
Was there, and didn't notice them to be carrying any excess.
I think Mickey has asked Penrose to play a very different game to what he was playing a few years ago. He's more of a defender now, remember he used to be our best tackling forward a few years back. He pops up all over the pitch and is often seen back in his own FB line. Personally I don't like it and wish he'd be further of the pitch but maybe he doesn't do well when surrounded by extra defenders.
I noticed McKenna was the man who came short for the kickout that lead to our goal. He took it up the wing a little and passed to Sparky. He then ran on towards Stevie and got his knock down for him to feed Mattie Donnelly.
I think this match served us well and we did come into this tight away ground with Kildare unbeaten in the qualifiers. Spillane said we didn't really catch fire or kick on and put them away like we should have done but we've won, away from home again against a team that were deemed to be around the same level as us. Neither Sean or Stevie had a huge influence on the game yet we're still putting up decent scores.
We're back to Croker now so hopefully that will benefit us and you'd hope we finally get this Meath monkey of our heads back. It will give the lads great hope to see Monaghan's defeat of Donegal yesterday and shows them that with the right level of effort & intensity, the so called big guns might not be that far out of reach.
Don't worry though I am not jumping the gun. I really do think we have a mental block now with Meath and really think this could be a big game for both teams. I think Meath enjoy playing non Leinster teams in Croker and they seem to really raise their game against us. Do the bookies have us favourites again?
Will Coney be any closer to a start? Had we any injuries from Sat? Colm maybe? ;D
Quote from: Canalman on July 22, 2013, 11:45:16 AM
Mightn't have happened for him as a manager but mark my words in years to come the McGeaney management will be seen as a turning point for Kildare football. Always short 2/3 players every year but they imvho will come in time. Kildare in around 5 years or so will be AI champions, of that I am sure.
Watching the game it struck me that the Tyrone players looked heavy and dare I say it fat. Might be the jerseys or an optical illusion.
Which players in particular looked fat?
Quote from: Canalman on July 22, 2013, 11:45:16 AM
Mightn't have happened for him as a manager but mark my words in years to come the McGeaney management will be seen as a turning point for Kildare football. Always short 2/3 players every year but they imvho will come in time. Kildare in around 5 years or so will be AI champions, of that I am sure.
Watching the game it struck me that the Tyrone players looked heavy and dare I say it fat. Might be the jerseys or an optical illusion.
or maybe the sports bras!
Fat was the wrong word. They just looked topheavy to me. If they were wearing those tracker vests then that would explain it.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 22, 2013, 09:45:46 AM
Obviously McGeeney had targeted SON shouldn't get anywhere near the time & space he should in the league semi, which is fair enough. He seemed to have at LEAST 1 or 2 men hanging out of him the whole time. There was times the ref did give the free but there was also lots of times he didn't.
It reminded me of how Donegal handle Stevie.
Whilst I can appreciate you have to often double mark someone like this and try all sorts to put him off, I think the ref has to be strong and punish persistent fouling with yellow cards. The lads on TSG mentioned next year black cards will be issued for some of those tackles. If that's the case then why aren't yellows been issued.
Some of ye might say why am I whinging about this, sure didn't we win but had we lost. Had that penalty miss been costly then I'd be whinging after a loss and it would be sour grapes.
In this era of complex defensive systems, I think it's vital referees protect "star" forwards (even Gooch) and don't take the attitude of let it flow to see what happens. More often that not the forward gets fouled nearly every time and eventually he gets frustrated and lashes out.
My main question for any refs on here is, do IC refs make exceptions for some "star" forwards because they are big & strong and they let fouls go that they might give in other circumstances?
Yeah yeah, I know. Its rich for a Tyrone man to be giving out about negative defensive tactics & we deserve all we get but we pay into matches to see our best players perform and more and more this is not happening.
Peter Kelly generally tends to play on the edge and on Saturday he overstepped it but from my viewing he was sanctioned accordingly for his fouling of O'Neill. Kildare could point to several late tackles by Sean Cavanagh that went unpunished and plenty of "treatment" received by Niall Kelly.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 22, 2013, 11:56:53 AM
I think Mickey has asked Penrose to play a very different game to what he was playing a few years ago. He's more of a defender now, remember he used to be our best tackling forward a few years back. He pops up all over the pitch and is often seen back in his own FB line. Personally I don't like it and wish he'd be further of the pitch but maybe he doesn't do well when surrounded by extra defenders.
I noticed McKenna was the man who came short for the kickout that lead to our goal. He took it up the wing a little and passed to Sparky. He then ran on towards Stevie and got his knock down for him to feed Mattie Donnelly.
I think this match served us well and we did come into this tight away ground with Kildare unbeaten in the qualifiers. Spillane said we didn't really catch fire or kick on and put them away like we should have done but we've won, away from home again against a team that were deemed to be around the same level as us. Neither Sean or Stevie had a huge influence on the game yet we're still putting up decent scores.
We're back to Croker now so hopefully that will benefit us and you'd hope we finally get this Meath monkey of our heads back. It will give the lads great hope to see Monaghan's defeat of Donegal yesterday and shows them that with the right level of effort & intensity, the so called big guns might not be that far out of reach.
Don't worry though I am not jumping the gun. I really do think we have a mental block now with Meath and really think this could be a big game for both teams. I think Meath enjoy playing non Leinster teams in Croker and they seem to really raise their game against us. Do the bookies have us favourites again?
Will Coney be any closer to a start? Had we any injuries from Sat? Colm maybe? ;D
Time to give Coney and Ronan O'Neill starts. We need a forward line with a bit of fire power.
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 22, 2013, 01:09:38 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 22, 2013, 11:56:53 AM
I think Mickey has asked Penrose to play a very different game to what he was playing a few years ago. He's more of a defender now, remember he used to be our best tackling forward a few years back. He pops up all over the pitch and is often seen back in his own FB line. Personally I don't like it and wish he'd be further of the pitch but maybe he doesn't do well when surrounded by extra defenders.
I noticed McKenna was the man who came short for the kickout that lead to our goal. He took it up the wing a little and passed to Sparky. He then ran on towards Stevie and got his knock down for him to feed Mattie Donnelly.
I think this match served us well and we did come into this tight away ground with Kildare unbeaten in the qualifiers. Spillane said we didn't really catch fire or kick on and put them away like we should have done but we've won, away from home again against a team that were deemed to be around the same level as us. Neither Sean or Stevie had a huge influence on the game yet we're still putting up decent scores.
We're back to Croker now so hopefully that will benefit us and you'd hope we finally get this Meath monkey of our heads back. It will give the lads great hope to see Monaghan's defeat of Donegal yesterday and shows them that with the right level of effort & intensity, the so called big guns might not be that far out of reach.
Don't worry though I am not jumping the gun. I really do think we have a mental block now with Meath and really think this could be a big game for both teams. I think Meath enjoy playing non Leinster teams in Croker and they seem to really raise their game against us. Do the bookies have us favourites again?
Will Coney be any closer to a start? Had we any injuries from Sat? Colm maybe? ;D
Time to give Coney and Ronan O'Neill starts. We need a forward line with a bit of fire power.
Personally think it could be a disaster if they both started this weekend. Just don't think they're currently up to the pace of it particularly Ronan O'Neill who has struggled all season due to injury. I think he is potentially a great player but its going to take until next season to get over the injuries. Coney doesn't look at his best yet either and has given away balls in the last 2 games when came on. Would need to show more from the bench before getting a start but could still be an option this season.
Sometimes people are very quick to call for changes when the options on the bench aren't necessarily better. I can certainly see an argument for Cassidy starting this week and would be happy with that - he has proved himself from the bench in different games. Though part of me does wonder if he could keep it up over 70 minutes and whether he adds more from the bench. But has earned his chance at this stage.
Joe McQuillan did a great job in this game, well done Joe. Shame he got abused like that but hopefully there will be a big fine to follow up on that.
Tough talking.
Kildare football boss Kieran McGeeney has hit out at critics of his team on local radio following their All-Ireland Qualifier defeat to Tyrone.
McGeeney was speaking to KFM where he branded some analysts as "cowards." He did not specify who he was speaking about, but he did add that they were former players, had experience on the field and that it was his policy to ignore such comments.
"You just have to keep going. There are people out there who will tear you apart," explained the Armagh native.
"I played with a few of these boys and these fellas were cowards when they were playing and they are cowards now when they tear these fellas apart.
"You just have to accept that from people – you have good people out there too. They will analyse the game and they will see the sloppiness.
"These fellas were cowards when they were playing and they are cowards now"
"You have to take that sort of thing on the chin. That's good analysis of a game. You have to take that and move on. The naysayers and the people who are there for entertainment, you just ignore them and get on with it."
Last weekend's defeat for the Lilywhites marked the end of McGeeney's sixth season in charge.
He was non-committal about his future when asked by RTÉ Sport, only to state that whatever decision is made has to be in the interests of football in Kildare.
Support for the job he has done so far did come from veteran player Johnny Doyle, but it remains to be seen whether the county board will grant McGeeney another extension.
Quote from: orangeman on July 23, 2013, 11:35:40 AM
McGeeney was speaking to KFM where he branded some analysts as "cowards." He did not specify who he was speaking about, but he did add that they were former players, had experience on the field and that it was his policy to ignore such comments.
I don't think the word 'ignore' means what he thinks it means.
Quote from: deiseach on July 23, 2013, 11:50:40 AM
Quote from: orangeman on July 23, 2013, 11:35:40 AM
McGeeney was speaking to KFM where he branded some analysts as "cowards." He did not specify who he was speaking about, but he did add that they were former players, had experience on the field and that it was his policy to ignore such comments.
I don't think the word 'ignore' means what he thinks it means.
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His understanding would be similar to mine. Get a good dig at them and THEN ignore them.
Which is fair enough.
McGeeney really is a horror, how about putting up ur own hands and saying that you've done f**k all in Leinster for 6 years, and one semi-final doesnt cut it. If he was going to do anything he'd have done it by now.
I suppose hes happy (allegedly) coining it in with zero results.
I suppose its down to Kildare Co board and supporters, are they happy being the 8th-12th best team in Ireland (if even this year) year after year
Quote from: orangeman on July 23, 2013, 11:56:53 AM
His understanding would be similar to mine. Get a good dig at them and THEN ignore them.
Which is fair enough.
Nothing wrong with having a dig, that's what his critics are doing. But don't do it then claim to be above that kind of thing.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 23, 2013, 12:20:50 PM
McGeeney really is a horror, how about putting up ur own hands and saying that you've done f**k all in Leinster for 6 years, and one semi-final doesnt cut it. If he was going to do anything he'd have done it by now.
I suppose hes happy (allegedly) coining it in with zero results.
I suppose its down to Kildare Co board and supporters, are they happy being the 8th-12th best team in Ireland (if even this year) year after year
Not sure I'd agree with that. I think he has clearly done a good job and while he has had some shocking results and failed to take a really big scalp he stills has done a good job. In a good number of big games, Donegal (QF), Down (SF) and Dublin (LF) they suffered more than their fair share of bad luck. He has apparently done a great job of helping to develop football outside of the senior set up and he has got Kildare to a competitive level. If they can bring a few of these talented underage players through then I expect them to be All Ireland contenders sooner rather than later.
Quote from: Zulu on July 23, 2013, 01:18:09 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 23, 2013, 12:20:50 PM
McGeeney really is a horror, how about putting up ur own hands and saying that you've done f**k all in Leinster for 6 years, and one semi-final doesnt cut it. If he was going to do anything he'd have done it by now.
I suppose hes happy (allegedly) coining it in with zero results.
I suppose its down to Kildare Co board and supporters, are they happy being the 8th-12th best team in Ireland (if even this year) year after year
He has apparently done a great job of helping to develop football outside of the senior set up
I've heard that being spun but if you're referring to the Underage setup & development squads, my information was that he gave some basic advice in terms of what he'd seen done in other counties - it wasn't like he was involved in putting structures in place or anything.
My info could be wrong though..
Fair enough heffo, I think I've only heard this from the Kildare posters here so maybe they can clarify.
Who is he even talking about?
Brolly?
Quote from: Jinxy on July 23, 2013, 01:33:56 PM
Who is he even talking about?
Brolly?
Ciareain Whelan seemed to be having the dig on TSG. I can't recall the exact words but the inference was that Kildare were badly organised on the field, the backs didn't know who they were supposed to be picking up, Kildare only started sending in high balls to the forwards when O'Connor was taken off etc.
Quote from: heffo on July 23, 2013, 01:21:27 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 23, 2013, 01:18:09 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 23, 2013, 12:20:50 PM
McGeeney really is a horror, how about putting up ur own hands and saying that you've done f**k all in Leinster for 6 years, and one semi-final doesnt cut it. If he was going to do anything he'd have done it by now.
I suppose hes happy (allegedly) coining it in with zero results.
I suppose its down to Kildare Co board and supporters, are they happy being the 8th-12th best team in Ireland (if even this year) year after year
He has apparently done a great job of helping to develop football outside of the senior set up
I've heard that being spun but if you're referring to the Underage setup & development squads, my information was that he gave some basic advice in terms of what he'd seen done in other counties - it wasn't like he was involved in putting structures in place or anything.
My info could be wrong though..
Correct. His involvement with the underage structures has been minimal apart from the u21 team this year. To be fair to him the senior set up (allied to the juniors) is far more professional than when he took charge but I think he's getting a little bit too much credit for the underage set up.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 23, 2013, 01:33:56 PM
Who is he even talking about?
Brolly?
I would assume so. I think it's a legacy from their playing days. Neither man seems to have much time for the other.
Quote from: Zulu on July 23, 2013, 01:18:09 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 23, 2013, 12:20:50 PM
McGeeney really is a horror, how about putting up ur own hands and saying that you've done f**k all in Leinster for 6 years, and one semi-final doesnt cut it. If he was going to do anything he'd have done it by now.
I suppose hes happy (allegedly) coining it in with zero results.
I suppose its down to Kildare Co board and supporters, are they happy being the 8th-12th best team in Ireland (if even this year) year after year
Not sure I'd agree with that. I think he has clearly done a good job and while he has had some shocking results and failed to take a really big scalp he stills has done a good job. In a good number of big games, Donegal (QF), Down (SF) and Dublin (LF) they suffered more than their fair share of bad luck. He has apparently done a great job of helping to develop football outside of the senior set up and he has got Kildare to a competitive level. If they can bring a few of these talented underage players through then I expect them to be All Ireland contenders sooner rather than later.
Six years is long enough IMO to get a team where they are going, theres two-three talented players from every underage team in every county, some progress, others dont, obviously winning helps but its not the be all.
Blaming bad luck is a cop out, luck evens out.
The bottom line is results and he has yet to beat a team that you would consider rank alongside Kildare nevermind above them.
At least he got a hair cut i suppose
Yeah I assume it's Brolly. Could be Whelan, O'Hara or Parkinson either.
People who say McGeeney has done a bad job in Kildare simply don't know what they're talking about.
Percentage of championship games won from 2004-2007: 33%
Percentage of championship games won under McGeeney: almost 70%.
This includes an unlucky AI semi-final defeat in 2010 and one-point losses to Dublin and Donegal in 2011.
He's taken Kildare from a level where our sole dream was to restore an ounce of pride in the jersey by maybe beating a team like Laois or Offaly - which we were incapable of before he arrived - to hammering those counties by at least 10 points almost every time we play them. We've also beaten Meath, a county of comparable resources, three times running in championship and haven't once been knocked out of the championship by anyone outside the top tier.
The players he achieved that with are either retired, considering retirement, or past their best. This year we started four 19-year-olds in all our big games and the teams that beat us were the two league finalists.
I don't know why people seem to think he should be winning All-Irelands; he basically works with the proceeds of three Leinster U21 winning sides (04, 08, 13). The counties ye seem to think he should be beating win a lot more at underage than three provincial titles per decade. He's played a part in starting to change that, managing the U21s this year, while the minors have won a Leinster title in great style and there's another very promising bunch at U16 this year, although McGeeney is not involved in the latter two.
I just don't understand what the man has done to earn the amount of abuse he gets, particularly from Dublin sources. He is more honest and honourable than most of his detractors.
Anyway, a bit of realism is needed. Kildare should hope to contend strongly around 2016-2019.
Like I said
I suppose its down to Kildare Co board and supporters, are they happy being the 8th-12th best team in Ireland (if even this year) year after year
You only have to look at ourselves and Donegal for a blueprint for being at the top table, remember we lost to Sligo and Longford, Donegal got hammered by Armagh in 2010. Along come two managers with a solid game plan and transformed both teams to where they are now.
Likewise Cavan and Monaghan look like similar candidates from this year, I'm not sure why you have to wait until 2016.
I'm all for things taking time but he has had more than enough chances.
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on July 23, 2013, 02:17:57 PM
I just don't understand what the man has done to earn the amount of abuse he gets, particularly from Dublin sources. He is more honest and honourable than most of his detractors.
What abuse is he getting?
He has brought a great level of professionalism to Kildare and he succeeded in getting people behind the county team again, both players and supporters. He was very unfortunate in many ways during 2010 and 2011 when Kildare were not that far away at all.
Things have gone downhill since then for a number of reasons:
- Other counties like Dublin and Donegal who we were competitive against in 2011 have kicked on.
- Dermot Earley and Daryl Flynn were never fit meaning we have had to make do with a makeshift midfield.
- Key players from 2010 and 2011 have lost form due to injuries and simply too much mileage. Kavanagh has been a bigger loss than anticipated.
- It has been necessary to blood many young players all at once and they do not have big match experience yet.
- The Seanie Johnston episode was very divisive and possibly acted as a distraction for the players.
McGeeney has been quite positive for Kildare but I think the time has now come for change. I just can't see there ever being consistency of selection under McGeeney and the same tactical errors are being made year after year.
QuoteSix years is long enough IMO to get a team where they are going,
I don't think that's a given. Kildare have a very strong Dublin to get over each year and a number of decent teams like Meath, Wexford, Louth and Longford that are good enough to beat a lot of teams outside the very highest level.
QuoteBlaming bad luck is a cop out, luck evens out.
Nobody's blaming bad luck but to ignore the bad decisions they've suffered in big games is to ignore the reality of the situation.
QuoteYou only have to look at ourselves and Donegal for a blueprint for being at the top table, remember we lost to Sligo and Longford, Donegal got hammered by Armagh in 2010. Along come two managers with a solid game plan and transformed both teams to where they are now.
Likewise Cavan and Monaghan look like similar candidates from this year, I'm not sure why you have to wait until 2016.
I'm all for things taking time but he has had more than enough chances.
That's fair enough but you can't simply compare counties like that. Kildare have done very well but have lacked the quality forwards that might have pushed them past one or two of the teams that beat them. Both Horan and McGuinness have done well but I'm not sure Mayo would be celebrating a three in a row if they were in any other province and McGuinness might have got ahead of the pack for a year or two but I think they might struggle from here on in.
The bottom line is you have to ask how far off are Kildare from where Kildare should be and I think they are close enough to where they should be. Who else could come in and get them up a level?
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 23, 2013, 02:26:09 PM
Like I said
I suppose its down to Kildare Co board and supporters, are they happy being the 8th-12th best team in Ireland (if even this year) year after year
You only have to look at ourselves and Donegal for a blueprint for being at the top table, remember we lost to Sligo and Longford, Donegal got hammered by Armagh in 2010. Along come two managers with a solid game plan and transformed both teams to where they are now.
Likewise Cavan and Monaghan look like similar candidates from this year, I'm not sure why you have to wait until 2016.
I'm all for things taking time but he has had more than enough chances.
sorry mate you're deluding yourself in you think Mayo are ahead of Kildare. Dublin Kerry Cork they are not. Win an All-Ireland first.
DH, two points there.
On Dermot Earley, if your gameplan or any plans are based around a man in his mid-30s then youre in trouble, likewise for Johnny Doyle now.
The Seanie Johnson affair was brought on by McGeeney himself, IMO he should have said no, he didnt and any fallout from that is well deserved.
I also think injuries cant be blamed, the modern squad has 9 possible starters in backs and the same in forwards, maybe you rely on one or two more than others but this is the way Dublin, Donegal and Mayo all are and its not because they;'ve all of a sudden found extra players who are of a standard, its because all players are trained to a system and style so they are interchangeable.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 23, 2013, 02:38:51 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 23, 2013, 02:26:09 PM
Like I said
I suppose its down to Kildare Co board and supporters, are they happy being the 8th-12th best team in Ireland (if even this year) year after year
You only have to look at ourselves and Donegal for a blueprint for being at the top table, remember we lost to Sligo and Longford, Donegal got hammered by Armagh in 2010. Along come two managers with a solid game plan and transformed both teams to where they are now.
Likewise Cavan and Monaghan look like similar candidates from this year, I'm not sure why you have to wait until 2016.
I'm all for things taking time but he has had more than enough chances.
sorry mate you're deluding yourself in you think Mayo are ahead of Kildare. Dublin Kerry Cork they are not. Win an All-Ireland first.
I would have thought it was a given that Mayo, Dublin and Donegal were the best three teams in the country.
I do know we need to win the all ireland to get full respect but for the last three years we've been there or there abouts and beaten plenty of other contenders
So if McGeeney takes over Leitrim he'd be a failure if he didn't win at least one All Ireland?
Maybe he just hadn't the players in Kildare to win things.
He improved their overall standing and they became a top 8 or 10 side in the unofficial rankings consistently reaching the Qtr Finals.
However he hadn't enough special players to kick on to really challenge for Sam.
Last year his 2008 -11 team hit the "wall" against Cork leading him to start bringing in young lads this year.
They have won 3 of the 4 Leinster titles this year so they must be doing something right in 4x4 land.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 23, 2013, 02:32:54 PM
He has brought a great level of professionalism to Kildare and he succeeded in getting people behind the county team again, both players and supporters. He was very unfortunate in many ways during 2010 and 2011 when Kildare were not that far away at all.
Things have gone downhill since then for a number of reasons:
- Other counties like Dublin and Donegal who we were competitive against in 2011 have kicked on.
- Dermot Earley and Daryl Flynn were never fit meaning we have had to make do with a makeshift midfield.
- Key players from 2010 and 2011 have lost form due to injuries and simply too much mileage. Kavanagh has been a bigger loss than anticipated.
- It has been necessary to blood many young players all at once and they do not have big match experience yet.
- The Seanie Johnston episode was very divisive and possibly acted as a distraction for the players.
McGeeney has been quite positive for Kildare but I think the time has now come for change. I just can't see there ever being consistency of selection under McGeeney and the same tactical errors are being made year after year.
Who Kk? This is twice you have said time for change but who are these candidates that can fill the void. Brian Murphy threw away a minor in 2010 and it was only the involvement of Lacey this year that actually turned our minors into winners. Glenn could have stayed with the 21s 5 years ago but opted for the
Longford job - his League record is no better than McGeeney and his championship is one win in Leinster. His involvement with Towers last year led to demotion to Intermediate. I would love to see him back involved but not as manager.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 23, 2013, 02:39:27 PM
DH, two points there.
On Dermot Earley, if your gameplan or any plans are based around a man in his mid-30s then youre in trouble, likewise for Johnny Doyle now.
The Seanie Johnson affair was brought on by McGeeney himself, IMO he should have said no, he didnt and any fallout from that is well deserved.
I also think injuries cant be blamed, the modern squad has 9 possible starters in backs and the same in forwards, maybe you rely on one or two more than others but this is the way Dublin, Donegal and Mayo all are and its not because they;'ve all of a sudden found extra players who are of a standard, its because all players are trained to a system and style so they are interchangeable.
I'm in agreement with you. I was just pointing out why Kildare have fallen back on where they were in 2010/2011 when they were genuine All Ireland contenders IMO.
McGeeney has had over two years now to settle on a midfield pairing and a centre back and he has never done it. I get that he has to experiment but there was never any consistency with his selections and that stifled any bit of momentum that was there. This idea he has of playing half forwards in the half backs has never worked yet it was persisted with. Dan Flynn was one of Kildare's best players in the League and against Offaly as a midfielder. For the Dublin game he was moved to full forward and he couldn't get a kick. Then on Saturday he starts at left half back. It's been a similar story with Cribbin who has the potential to be a top forward. It's no wonder Kildare struggle to keep their shape when players are being moved from pillar to post all the time. I'm afraid I can't see this ever changing under McGeeney.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 23, 2013, 02:41:01 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 23, 2013, 02:38:51 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 23, 2013, 02:26:09 PM
Like I said
I suppose its down to Kildare Co board and supporters, are they happy being the 8th-12th best team in Ireland (if even this year) year after year
You only have to look at ourselves and Donegal for a blueprint for being at the top table, remember we lost to Sligo and Longford, Donegal got hammered by Armagh in 2010. Along come two managers with a solid game plan and transformed both teams to where they are now.
Likewise Cavan and Monaghan look like similar candidates from this year, I'm not sure why you have to wait until 2016.
I'm all for things taking time but he has had more than enough chances.
sorry mate you're deluding yourself in you think Mayo are ahead of Kildare. Dublin Kerry Cork they are not. Win an All-Ireland first.
I would have thought it was a given that Mayo, Dublin and Donegal were the best three teams in the country.
I do know we need to win the all ireland to get full respect but for the last three years we've been there or there abouts and beaten plenty of other contenders
Given by who the same people who rate Kildare so highly!!! Cork Dublin Kerry Tyrone and Donegal know what it takes to win one everyone else is outside that club. Ratings are only for insecure supporters looking for some sort of validation.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 23, 2013, 02:49:41 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 23, 2013, 02:32:54 PM
He has brought a great level of professionalism to Kildare and he succeeded in getting people behind the county team again, both players and supporters. He was very unfortunate in many ways during 2010 and 2011 when Kildare were not that far away at all.
Things have gone downhill since then for a number of reasons:
- Other counties like Dublin and Donegal who we were competitive against in 2011 have kicked on.
- Dermot Earley and Daryl Flynn were never fit meaning we have had to make do with a makeshift midfield.
- Key players from 2010 and 2011 have lost form due to injuries and simply too much mileage. Kavanagh has been a bigger loss than anticipated.
- It has been necessary to blood many young players all at once and they do not have big match experience yet.
- The Seanie Johnston episode was very divisive and possibly acted as a distraction for the players.
McGeeney has been quite positive for Kildare but I think the time has now come for change. I just can't see there ever being consistency of selection under McGeeney and the same tactical errors are being made year after year.
Who Kk? This is twice you have said time for change but who are these candidates that can fill the void. Brian Murphy threw away a minor in 2010 and it was only the involvement of Lacey this year that actually turned our minors into winners. Glenn could have stayed with the 21s 5 years ago but opted for the
Longford job - his League record is no better than McGeeney and his championship is one win in Leinster. His involvement with Towers last year led to demotion to Intermediate. I would love to see him back involved but not as manager.
You're right that there is no obvious alternative and Kildare will have to gamble if McGeeney's time is up. Would Cian O'Neill ever consider management? He has worked with Murphy before.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 23, 2013, 02:57:07 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 23, 2013, 02:49:41 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 23, 2013, 02:32:54 PM
He has brought a great level of professionalism to Kildare and he succeeded in getting people behind the county team again, both players and supporters. He was very unfortunate in many ways during 2010 and 2011 when Kildare were not that far away at all.
Things have gone downhill since then for a number of reasons:
- Other counties like Dublin and Donegal who we were competitive against in 2011 have kicked on.
- Dermot Earley and Daryl Flynn were never fit meaning we have had to make do with a makeshift midfield.
- Key players from 2010 and 2011 have lost form due to injuries and simply too much mileage. Kavanagh has been a bigger loss than anticipated.
- It has been necessary to blood many young players all at once and they do not have big match experience yet.
- The Seanie Johnston episode was very divisive and possibly acted as a distraction for the players.
McGeeney has been quite positive for Kildare but I think the time has now come for change. I just can't see there ever being consistency of selection under McGeeney and the same tactical errors are being made year after year.
Who Kk? This is twice you have said time for change but who are these candidates that can fill the void. Brian Murphy threw away a minor in 2010 and it was only the involvement of Lacey this year that actually turned our minors into winners. Glenn could have stayed with the 21s 5 years ago but opted for the
Longford job - his League record is no better than McGeeney and his championship is one win in Leinster. His involvement with Towers last year led to demotion to Intermediate. I would love to see him back involved but not as manager.
You're right that there is no obvious alternative and Kildare will have to gamble if McGeeney's time is up. Would Cian O'Neill ever consider management? He has worked with Murphy before.
He would be a gamble but you know from his experience with Tipp, Mayo and Kerry his knowledge of the Kildare club and underage scene he could be a viable candidate. Would he be interested though?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 23, 2013, 03:04:32 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 23, 2013, 02:57:07 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 23, 2013, 02:49:41 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 23, 2013, 02:32:54 PM
He has brought a great level of professionalism to Kildare and he succeeded in getting people behind the county team again, both players and supporters. He was very unfortunate in many ways during 2010 and 2011 when Kildare were not that far away at all.
Things have gone downhill since then for a number of reasons:
- Other counties like Dublin and Donegal who we were competitive against in 2011 have kicked on.
- Dermot Earley and Daryl Flynn were never fit meaning we have had to make do with a makeshift midfield.
- Key players from 2010 and 2011 have lost form due to injuries and simply too much mileage. Kavanagh has been a bigger loss than anticipated.
- It has been necessary to blood many young players all at once and they do not have big match experience yet.
- The Seanie Johnston episode was very divisive and possibly acted as a distraction for the players.
McGeeney has been quite positive for Kildare but I think the time has now come for change. I just can't see there ever being consistency of selection under McGeeney and the same tactical errors are being made year after year.
Who Kk? This is twice you have said time for change but who are these candidates that can fill the void. Brian Murphy threw away a minor in 2010 and it was only the involvement of Lacey this year that actually turned our minors into winners. Glenn could have stayed with the 21s 5 years ago but opted for the
Longford job - his League record is no better than McGeeney and his championship is one win in Leinster. His involvement with Towers last year led to demotion to Intermediate. I would love to see him back involved but not as manager.
You're right that there is no obvious alternative and Kildare will have to gamble if McGeeney's time is up. Would Cian O'Neill ever consider management? He has worked with Murphy before.
He would be a gamble but you know from his experience with Tipp, Mayo and Kerry his knowledge of the Kildare club and underage scene he could be a viable candidate. Would he be interested though?
If he ever has designs on something more than a coaching role then who better than with his own county. I suppose it depends on how Kerry do for the remainder of this year and what arrangements are in place there.
It's probably a pointless discussion anyway because the County Board will reappoint McGeeney if he wants to stay on.
Cian O'Neill would definitely take the job but I'm not sure he would do it before he has had a job as the top man somewhere else first. The Kildare job is definitely something he wants, unless somethings changed in the past year or two.
I think lads are being quite harsh on McGeeney which might be something to do with the Seanie Johnston business. As a manger/coach I think he has done a good job, criticising him for not solving the midfield and centre back issues is harsh when the players to solve those issues may not be there or fit. I would suggest that McGeeney and his backroom would have a fair idea about football but in a sport where there's no transfer system it can be impossible to solve problem areas for any coach.
I think the underwhelming names being touted here show that changing would be rash. James Horan and Jim McGuinness were obviously going to be outstanding managers when they took over. There is no candidate like that in Kildare and therefore no need to get rid of someone who has proven himself a good manager.
As for where Mayo "rank" the same people that buy into "rankings" were saying in 2011 that Kildare were "top three". Not saying Mayo are not a good side, they've beaten Cork and Dublin in championship and are obviously contenders and I would say they are a bit better than Kildare.
However, what would have happened if Kildare and Mayo had swapped places in the draw this year? Doesn't take a big leap of the imagination to see Kildare beating Galway, Roscommon and London and Mayo losing to Dublin.
Not sure there is much evidence to say McGuinness and Horan were obviously going to be outstanding managers. Cian O'Neill would be a fine manager I'd say, he's an intelligent man and a very good coach who has now worked with 3 very good set ups who have all big game experience.
Quote from: Zulu on July 23, 2013, 03:29:13 PM
Cian O'Neill would definitely take the job but I'm not sure he would do it before he has had a job as the top man somewhere else first. The Kildare job is definitely something he wants, unless somethings changed in the past year or two.
I think lads are being quite harsh on McGeeney which might be something to do with the Seanie Johnston business. As a manger/coach I think he has done a good job, criticising him for not solving the midfield and centre back issues is harsh when the players to solve those issues may not be there or fit. I would suggest that McGeeney and his backroom would have a fair idea about football but in a sport where there's no transfer system it can be impossible to solve problem areas for any coach.
You're probably right there. A lot of people lost a lot of faith over the transfer business. To be fair to him regarding centre back and midfield, Gary White was probably seen as one possible solution there this year after some excellent displays in the club championship but he had to drop off the panel early on during the league.
Quote from: Zulu on July 23, 2013, 03:37:28 PM
Not sure there is much evidence to say McGuinness and Horan were obviously going to be outstanding managers. Cian O'Neill would be a fine manager I'd say, he's an intelligent man and a very good coach who has now worked with 3 very good set ups who have all big game experience.
How long before the Cian O'Neill for Kildare takes root? Some journo is probably filing copy already.
Quote from: Zulu on July 23, 2013, 01:18:09 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 23, 2013, 12:20:50 PM
McGeeney really is a horror, how about putting up ur own hands and saying that you've done f**k all in Leinster for 6 years, and one semi-final doesnt cut it. If he was going to do anything he'd have done it by now.
I suppose hes happy (allegedly) coining it in with zero results.
I suppose its down to Kildare Co board and supporters, are they happy being the 8th-12th best team in Ireland (if even this year) year after year
Not sure I'd agree with that. I think he has clearly done a good job and while he has had some shocking results and failed to take a really big scalp he stills has done a good job. In a good number of big games, Donegal (QF), Down (SF) and Dublin (LF) they suffered more than their fair share of bad luck. He has apparently done a great job of helping to develop football outside of the senior set up and he has got Kildare to a competitive level. If they can bring a few of these talented underage players through then I expect them to be All Ireland contenders sooner rather than later.
to be fair to McGeeney , he has given everything as a manager for kildare.
6 years is a long time without going stale- which I think he has.
it cannot be bad luck with all those close losses.
I think McGeeney has brought Kldare on in many ways, but in order to 'go over the top' they need a new man.
This is like Tyrone in the late 90's I think it was with Ball taking over as manager after piloting them to underage success- he was seen as the messiah. IT turned out the Tyronies thought he was more like a 'naughty boy' as he 'squandered' their talent.
Mickey harte then stepped in, made a few changes and took them all the way.
No doubt that Ball had paved the way, but he just couldnt deliver titles , despite all the talent.
kildare in the same position now. loads of talent, young talent and a man who has given his best, but is still in his first job.
its not roy of the rovers, there is no fairytale most of the time in GAA- McGeeney will be far better set up in his next managerial position. I believe he is an honest guy who has done as much as he can.
However Kildare now need a micko, kernan etc and they will be genuine AI contenders.
They have the players.
I dont believe they have a manager that is good enough within the county. yet.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 23, 2013, 04:57:49 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 23, 2013, 01:18:09 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 23, 2013, 12:20:50 PM
McGeeney really is a horror, how about putting up ur own hands and saying that you've done f**k all in Leinster for 6 years, and one semi-final doesnt cut it. If he was going to do anything he'd have done it by now.
I suppose hes happy (allegedly) coining it in with zero results.
I suppose its down to Kildare Co board and supporters, are they happy being the 8th-12th best team in Ireland (if even this year) year after year
Not sure I'd agree with that. I think he has clearly done a good job and while he has had some shocking results and failed to take a really big scalp he stills has done a good job. In a good number of big games, Donegal (QF), Down (SF) and Dublin (LF) they suffered more than their fair share of bad luck. He has apparently done a great job of helping to develop football outside of the senior set up and he has got Kildare to a competitive level. If they can bring a few of these talented underage players through then I expect them to be All Ireland contenders sooner rather than later.
to be fair to McGeeney , he has given everything as a manager for kildare.
6 years is a long time without going stale- which I think he has.
it cannot be bad luck with all those close losses.
I think McGeeney has brought Kldare on in many ways, but in order to 'go over the top' they need a new man.
This is like Tyrone in the late 90's I think it was with Ball taking over as manager after piloting them to underage success- he was seen as the messiah. IT turned out the Tyronies thought he was more like a 'naughty boy' as he 'squandered' their talent.
Mickey harte then stepped in, made a few changes and took them all the way.
No doubt that Ball had paved the way, but he just couldnt deliver titles , despite all the talent.
kildare in the same position now. loads of talent, young talent and a man who has given his best, but is still in his first job.
its not roy of the rovers, there is no fairytale most of the time in GAA- McGeeney will be far better set up in his next managerial position. I believe he is an honest guy who has done as much as he can.
However Kildare now need a micko, kernan etc and they will be genuine AI contenders.
They have the players.
I dont believe they have a manager that is good enough within the county. yet.
I'm not sure that you have the chronological order correct here. Mickey took over from Big Art and Eugene McKenna. Danny took the senior team when the all ireland winning U21 team that included Canavan, Cush et al. The team Mickey took over was mainly his own U21 squad including McAnallen, Jordan, McGuigan etc
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 23, 2013, 05:07:35 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 23, 2013, 04:57:49 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 23, 2013, 01:18:09 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 23, 2013, 12:20:50 PM
McGeeney really is a horror, how about putting up ur own hands and saying that you've done f**k all in Leinster for 6 years, and one semi-final doesnt cut it. If he was going to do anything he'd have done it by now.
I suppose hes happy (allegedly) coining it in with zero results.
I suppose its down to Kildare Co board and supporters, are they happy being the 8th-12th best team in Ireland (if even this year) year after year
Not sure I'd agree with that. I think he has clearly done a good job and while he has had some shocking results and failed to take a really big scalp he stills has done a good job. In a good number of big games, Donegal (QF), Down (SF) and Dublin (LF) they suffered more than their fair share of bad luck. He has apparently done a great job of helping to develop football outside of the senior set up and he has got Kildare to a competitive level. If they can bring a few of these talented underage players through then I expect them to be All Ireland contenders sooner rather than later.
to be fair to McGeeney , he has given everything as a manager for kildare.
6 years is a long time without going stale- which I think he has.
it cannot be bad luck with all those close losses.
I think McGeeney has brought Kldare on in many ways, but in order to 'go over the top' they need a new man.
This is like Tyrone in the late 90's I think it was with Ball taking over as manager after piloting them to underage success- he was seen as the messiah. IT turned out the Tyronies thought he was more like a 'naughty boy' as he 'squandered' their talent.
Mickey harte then stepped in, made a few changes and took them all the way.
No doubt that Ball had paved the way, but he just couldnt deliver titles , despite all the talent.
kildare in the same position now. loads of talent, young talent and a man who has given his best, but is still in his first job.
its not roy of the rovers, there is no fairytale most of the time in GAA- McGeeney will be far better set up in his next managerial position. I believe he is an honest guy who has done as much as he can.
However Kildare now need a micko, kernan etc and they will be genuine AI contenders.
They have the players.
I dont believe they have a manager that is good enough within the county. yet.
I'm not sure that you have the chronological order correct here. Mickey took over from Big Art and Eugene McKenna. Danny took the senior team when the all ireland winning U21 team that included Canavan, Cush et al. The team Mickey took over was mainly his own U21 squad including McAnallen, Jordan, McGuigan etc
And anyhow the major, major difference is that prior to winning Sam in 03, Tyrone had won two All-Ireland U21s and an All-Ireland minor in the previous three years, also won four in a row Ulster U21s and two out of three Ulster minors. Hardly comparable to Kildare's one Leinster U21 and one Leinster minor.
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on July 23, 2013, 03:31:31 PM
However, what would have happened if Kildare and Mayo had swapped places in the draw this year? Doesn't take a big leap of the imagination to see Kildare beating Galway, Roscommon and London and Mayo losing to Dublin.
Well in essence over the past two years we have swapped draws, both have played Dublin, Donegal and Cork over two seasons.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 23, 2013, 02:55:39 PM
sorry mate you're deluding yourself in you think Mayo are ahead of Kildare. Dublin Kerry Cork they are not. Win an All-Ireland first.
Ratings are only for insecure supporters looking for some sort of validation.
Good to see you can take critism of Kildare there Dinny, must be the McGeeney school of reaction ::)
Quote from: Zulu on July 23, 2013, 02:38:39 PM
QuoteSix years is long enough IMO to get a team where they are going,
I don't think that's a given. Kildare have a very strong Dublin to get over each year and a number of decent teams like Meath, Wexford, Louth and Longford that are good enough to beat a lot of teams outside the very highest level.
QuoteBlaming bad luck is a cop out, luck evens out.
Nobody's blaming bad luck but to ignore the bad decisions they've suffered in big games is to ignore the reality of the situation.
QuoteYou only have to look at ourselves and Donegal for a blueprint for being at the top table, remember we lost to Sligo and Longford, Donegal got hammered by Armagh in 2010. Along come two managers with a solid game plan and transformed both teams to where they are now.
Likewise Cavan and Monaghan look like similar candidates from this year, I'm not sure why you have to wait until 2016.
I'm all for things taking time but he has had more than enough chances.
That's fair enough but you can't simply compare counties like that. Kildare have done very well but have lacked the quality forwards that might have pushed them past one or two of the teams that beat them. Both Horan and McGuinness have done well but I'm not sure Mayo would be celebrating a three in a row if they were in any other province and McGuinness might have got ahead of the pack for a year or two but I think they might struggle from here on in.
The bottom line is you have to ask how far off are Kildare from where Kildare should be and I think they are close enough to where they should be. Who else could come in and get them up a level?
I think that's a great point Zulu. McGeeney has maxed them out. Which is a compliment to him and them. But have Kieran and Kildare reached a point which John O'Mahony once referred to as "same voice syndrome" in a dressingroom? No matter how good he is at what he does and no matter how much the likes of John Doyle etc want him to stay there surely must be a stage where things all go a little stale. I've total admiration for McGeeney as a player, a manager and what I know of him as a person and I would have loved for Kildare to win some silverware but it's hard to see any immediate progress coming for either of them in the current situation. He would be a great asset as a manager of another county and they might get a fresh boost from a new manager.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 23, 2013, 02:38:51 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 23, 2013, 02:26:09 PM
Like I said
I suppose its down to Kildare Co board and supporters, are they happy being the 8th-12th best team in Ireland (if even this year) year after year
You only have to look at ourselves and Donegal for a blueprint for being at the top table, remember we lost to Sligo and Longford, Donegal got hammered by Armagh in 2010. Along come two managers with a solid game plan and transformed both teams to where they are now.
Likewise Cavan and Monaghan look like similar candidates from this year, I'm not sure why you have to wait until 2016.
I'm all for things taking time but he has had more than enough chances.
sorry mate you're deluding yourself in you think Mayo are ahead of Kildare. Dublin Kerry Cork they are not. Win an All-Ireland first.
Jaysus Dinny! Normally rate your posts very highly but that one seems very reactionary and unlike you!
Do you really not think Mayo would beat Kildare?
And "win an All Ireland first"????
When have Kildare even got close since '98 as opposed to all Mayo's AI final appearances since?
I would be very confident Mayo would beat the present Kerry or Cork sides. Even though they've beaten the Dubs in Croker in recent times I would put them as slightly behind them this time as AI favourites.
Not at all slagging off Kildare... I'm a Rossie so the Early connection would always steer me to hoping ye do well but at the same time I think you're being at best deluded or at worst disrespectful to a fine, well prepared and ambitious Mayo side.
Quote from: ross matt on July 23, 2013, 09:59:14 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 23, 2013, 02:38:51 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 23, 2013, 02:26:09 PM
Like I said
I suppose its down to Kildare Co board and supporters, are they happy being the 8th-12th best team in Ireland (if even this year) year after year
You only have to look at ourselves and Donegal for a blueprint for being at the top table, remember we lost to Sligo and Longford, Donegal got hammered by Armagh in 2010. Along come two managers with a solid game plan and transformed both teams to where they are now.
Likewise Cavan and Monaghan look like similar candidates from this year, I'm not sure why you have to wait until 2016.
I'm all for things taking time but he has had more than enough chances.
sorry mate you're deluding yourself in you think Mayo are ahead of Kildare. Dublin Kerry Cork they are not. Win an All-Ireland first.
Jaysus Dinny! Normally rate your posts very highly but that one seems very reactionary and unlike you!
Do you really not think Mayo would beat Kildare?
And "win an All Ireland first"????
When have Kildare even got close since '98 as opposed to all Mayo's AI final appearances since?
I would be very confident Mayo would beat the present Kerry or Cork sides. Even though they've beaten the Dubs in Croker in recent times I would put them as slightly behind them this time as AI favourites.
Not at all slagging off Kildare... I'm a Rossie so the Early connection would always steer me to hoping ye do well but at the same time I think you're being at best deluded or at worst disrespectful to a fine, well prepared an ambitious Mayo side.
It's about context Mayo4sam seems to judge McGeeney as a failure with no reference to Kildare's history I.e. 2 Leinsters in almost 60 years. Ignoring provinces Mayo are as far from winning Sam as Kildare, this is based purely using All-Ireland success as the only barometer. They will not beat 2 of Dublin, Kerry, Cork, Tyrone and Donegal and in that insistance they are the same as the other 28 teams. All IMHO of course.
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 23, 2013, 05:07:35 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 23, 2013, 04:57:49 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 23, 2013, 01:18:09 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 23, 2013, 12:20:50 PM
McGeeney really is a horror, how about putting up ur own hands and saying that you've done f**k all in Leinster for 6 years, and one semi-final doesnt cut it. If he was going to do anything he'd have done it by now.
I suppose hes happy (allegedly) coining it in with zero results.
I suppose its down to Kildare Co board and supporters, are they happy being the 8th-12th best team in Ireland (if even this year) year after year
Not sure I'd agree with that. I think he has clearly done a good job and while he has had some shocking results and failed to take a really big scalp he stills has done a good job. In a good number of big games, Donegal (QF), Down (SF) and Dublin (LF) they suffered more than their fair share of bad luck. He has apparently done a great job of helping to develop football outside of the senior set up and he has got Kildare to a competitive level. If they can bring a few of these talented underage players through then I expect them to be All Ireland contenders sooner rather than later.
to be fair to McGeeney , he has given everything as a manager for kildare.
6 years is a long time without going stale- which I think he has.
it cannot be bad luck with all those close losses.
I think McGeeney has brought Kldare on in many ways, but in order to 'go over the top' they need a new man.
This is like Tyrone in the late 90's I think it was with Ball taking over as manager after piloting them to underage success- he was seen as the messiah. IT turned out the Tyronies thought he was more like a 'naughty boy' as he 'squandered' their talent.
Mickey harte then stepped in, made a few changes and took them all the way.
No doubt that Ball had paved the way, but he just couldnt deliver titles , despite all the talent.
kildare in the same position now. loads of talent, young talent and a man who has given his best, but is still in his first job.
its not roy of the rovers, there is no fairytale most of the time in GAA- McGeeney will be far better set up in his next managerial position. I believe he is an honest guy who has done as much as he can.
However Kildare now need a micko, kernan etc and they will be genuine AI contenders.
They have the players.
I dont believe they have a manager that is good enough within the county. yet.
I'm not sure that you have the chronological order correct here. Mickey took over from Big Art and Eugene McKenna. Danny took the senior team when the all ireland winning U21 team that included Canavan, Cush et al. The team Mickey took over was mainly his own U21 squad including McAnallen, Jordan, McGuigan etc
And if fairness to Danny he did not get managing his u21s at senior level until after Dublin then Meath had done them over. Mickey got his u21s at senior level while they were still fresh and un-trodden upon.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 23, 2013, 10:31:58 PM
Quote from: ross matt on July 23, 2013, 09:59:14 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 23, 2013, 02:38:51 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 23, 2013, 02:26:09 PM
Like I said
I suppose its down to Kildare Co board and supporters, are they happy being the 8th-12th best team in Ireland (if even this year) year after year
You only have to look at ourselves and Donegal for a blueprint for being at the top table, remember we lost to Sligo and Longford, Donegal got hammered by Armagh in 2010. Along come two managers with a solid game plan and transformed both teams to where they are now.
Likewise Cavan and Monaghan look like similar candidates from this year, I'm not sure why you have to wait until 2016.
I'm all for things taking time but he has had more than enough chances.
sorry mate you're deluding yourself in you think Mayo are ahead of Kildare. Dublin Kerry Cork they are not. Win an All-Ireland first.
Jaysus Dinny! Normally rate your posts very highly but that one seems very reactionary and unlike you!
Do you really not think Mayo would beat Kildare?
And "win an All Ireland first"????
When have Kildare even got close since '98 as opposed to all Mayo's AI final appearances since?
I would be very confident Mayo would beat the present Kerry or Cork sides. Even though they've beaten the Dubs in Croker in recent times I would put them as slightly behind them this time as AI favourites.
Not at all slagging off Kildare... I'm a Rossie so the Early connection would always steer me to hoping ye do well but at the same time I think you're being at best deluded or at worst disrespectful to a fine, well prepared an ambitious Mayo side.
It's about context Mayo4sam seems to judge McGeeney as a failure with no reference to Kildare's history I.e. 2 Leinsters in almost 60 years. Ignoring provinces Mayo are as far from winning Sam as Kildare, this is based purely using All-Ireland success as the only barometer. They will not beat 2 of Dublin, Kerry, Cork, Tyrone and Donegal and in that insistance they are the same as the other 28 teams. All IMHO of course.
All IYHO of course as what I post is all IMHO. Think Mayo capable of beating Kerry, Cork & Donegal. They are much nearer winning Sam than Kildare....... Last year's AI final a case in point. However don't agree with Mayo4sam that McGeeney was a failure.
Quote from: orangeman on July 23, 2013, 11:35:40 AM
Tough talking.
Kildare football boss Kieran McGeeney has hit out at critics of his team on local radio following their All-Ireland Qualifier defeat to Tyrone.
McGeeney was speaking to KFM where he branded some analysts as "cowards." He did not specify who he was speaking about, but he did add that they were former players, had experience on the field and that it was his policy to ignore such comments.
"You just have to keep going. There are people out there who will tear you apart," explained the Armagh native.
"I played with a few of these boys and these fellas were cowards when they were playing and they are cowards now when they tear these fellas apart.
"You just have to accept that from people – you have good people out there too. They will analyse the game and they will see the sloppiness.
"These fellas were cowards when they were playing and they are cowards now"
"You have to take that sort of thing on the chin. That's good analysis of a game. You have to take that and move on. The naysayers and the people who are there for entertainment, you just ignore them and get on with it."
Last weekend's defeat for the Lilywhites marked the end of McGeeney's sixth season in charge.
He was non-committal about his future when asked by RTÉ Sport, only to state that whatever decision is made has to be in the interests of football in Kildare.
Support for the job he has done so far did come from veteran player Johnny Doyle, but it remains to be seen whether the county board will grant McGeeney another extension.
Those quotes have been heavily edited. Where are the seven "likes" in every sentence, like?
Is cian oneill not a conditioning coach?
That's some slight on the entire Armagh team. Bellew excluded of course.
Ronan Sweeney was fairly gushing in his praise of McGeeney last night on Newstalk. 100% behind him staying on.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 23, 2013, 10:31:58 PM
Quote from: ross matt on July 23, 2013, 09:59:14 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 23, 2013, 02:38:51 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 23, 2013, 02:26:09 PM
Like I said
I suppose its down to Kildare Co board and supporters, are they happy being the 8th-12th best team in Ireland (if even this year) year after year
You only have to look at ourselves and Donegal for a blueprint for being at the top table, remember we lost to Sligo and Longford, Donegal got hammered by Armagh in 2010. Along come two managers with a solid game plan and transformed both teams to where they are now.
Likewise Cavan and Monaghan look like similar candidates from this year, I'm not sure why you have to wait until 2016.
I'm all for things taking time but he has had more than enough chances.
sorry mate you're deluding yourself in you think Mayo are ahead of Kildare. Dublin Kerry Cork they are not. Win an All-Ireland first.
Jaysus Dinny! Normally rate your posts very highly but that one seems very reactionary and unlike you!
Do you really not think Mayo would beat Kildare?
And "win an All Ireland first"????
When have Kildare even got close since '98 as opposed to all Mayo's AI final appearances since?
I would be very confident Mayo would beat the present Kerry or Cork sides. Even though they've beaten the Dubs in Croker in recent times I would put them as slightly behind them this time as AI favourites.
Not at all slagging off Kildare... I'm a Rossie so the Early connection would always steer me to hoping ye do well but at the same time I think you're being at best deluded or at worst disrespectful to a fine, well prepared an ambitious Mayo side.
It's about context Mayo4sam seems to judge McGeeney as a failure with no reference to Kildare's history I.e. 2 Leinsters in almost 60 years. Ignoring provinces Mayo are as far from winning Sam as Kildare, this is based purely using All-Ireland success as the only barometer. They will not beat 2 of Dublin, Kerry, Cork, Tyrone and Donegal and in that insistance they are the same as the other 28 teams. All IMHO of course.
Absolutely I'm ignoring history, I dont think it has any place in judging a manager. Also its a bit misleading, Kildare now has a huge population it wouldnt have had previously but thats beside the point.
I would say that over the last 15 years Kildare are a serious football county.
This group of players is probably on a par with what ye had in 1998, as you've said good teams dont come along that often in Kildare, they have completely under-performed in Leinster, and given that is what u benchmarked above a Leinster title would be a starting point. By any measure McGeeneys six years have been not just average but poor, one leinster final apperance is on a par with Louth and below Meath and Wexford.
I take on your point about Mayo getting an easy ride through Connacht, I dont think it does Mayo or Connacht teams any favours in the long run but this year and last year it is favouring us, no doubt or argument, we can peak for three games, I think its a huge advantage.
As for Mayo being as far from winning the All Ireland, well that is just nonsense, I'm glad RossMatt pulled you up on it
.....................Plus you have to be in the championship to win it ;) (couldnt resist)
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 24, 2013, 10:47:36 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 23, 2013, 10:31:58 PM
Quote from: ross matt on July 23, 2013, 09:59:14 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 23, 2013, 02:38:51 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 23, 2013, 02:26:09 PM
Like I said
I suppose its down to Kildare Co board and supporters, are they happy being the 8th-12th best team in Ireland (if even this year) year after year
You only have to look at ourselves and Donegal for a blueprint for being at the top table, remember we lost to Sligo and Longford, Donegal got hammered by Armagh in 2010. Along come two managers with a solid game plan and transformed both teams to where they are now.
Likewise Cavan and Monaghan look like similar candidates from this year, I'm not sure why you have to wait until 2016.
I'm all for things taking time but he has had more than enough chances.
sorry mate you're deluding yourself in you think Mayo are ahead of Kildare. Dublin Kerry Cork they are not. Win an All-Ireland first.
Jaysus Dinny! Normally rate your posts very highly but that one seems very reactionary and unlike you!
Do you really not think Mayo would beat Kildare?
And "win an All Ireland first"????
When have Kildare even got close since '98 as opposed to all Mayo's AI final appearances since?
I would be very confident Mayo would beat the present Kerry or Cork sides. Even though they've beaten the Dubs in Croker in recent times I would put them as slightly behind them this time as AI favourites.
Not at all slagging off Kildare... I'm a Rossie so the Early connection would always steer me to hoping ye do well but at the same time I think you're being at best deluded or at worst disrespectful to a fine, well prepared an ambitious Mayo side.
It's about context Mayo4sam seems to judge McGeeney as a failure with no reference to Kildare's history I.e. 2 Leinsters in almost 60 years. Ignoring provinces Mayo are as far from winning Sam as Kildare, this is based purely using All-Ireland success as the only barometer. They will not beat 2 of Dublin, Kerry, Cork, Tyrone and Donegal and in that insistance they are the same as the other 28 teams. All IMHO of course.
Absolutely I'm ignoring history, I dont think it has any place in judging a manager. Also its a bit misleading, Kildare now has a huge population it wouldnt have had previously but thats beside the point.
I would say that over the last 15 years Kildare are a serious football county.
This group of players is probably on a par with what ye had in 1998, as you've said good teams dont come along that often in Kildare, they have completely under-performed in Leinster, and given that is what u benchmarked above a Leinster title would be a starting point. By any measure McGeeneys six years have been not just average but poor, one leinster final apperance is on a par with Louth and below Meath and Wexford.
I take on your point about Mayo getting an easy ride through Connacht, I dont think it does Mayo or Connacht teams any favours in the long run but this year and last year it is favouring us, no doubt or argument, we can peak for three games, I think its a huge advantage.
As for Mayo being as far from winning the All Ireland, well that is just nonsense, I'm glad RossMatt pulled you up on it
.....................Plus you have to be in the championship to win it ;) (couldnt resist)
No it's not. Not even close.
Only 2 or 3 players max from the current team would have gotten on that team from the late nineties.
I'm sorry but the team that drew with Donegal in 2011 and should have won were as good as that 98 team IMO.
The team that played on Saturday were not
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 24, 2013, 11:53:28 AM
I'm sorry but the team that drew with Donegal in 2011 and should have won were as good as that 98 team IMO.
The team that played on Saturday were not
Only Johnny Doyle of that team would have been guaranteed a place on the 1998 team ahead of Pauric Graven. Mick Foley possibly ahead of Ronan Quinn, Emmet Bolton possibly ahead of John Finn and Éamonn Callaghan possibly ahead of Eddie McCormack. All 3 of them would be 50/50 calls. The 1998 and 2000 teams had much more quality in every other position.
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 24, 2013, 09:19:21 AM
Is cian oneill not a conditioning coach?
No, he's a lecturer in PE at UL but he would be very much a football coach with an expertise in conditioning rather than a conditioning coach. He has managed UL Sigerson teams before and would have had a strong say in football matters when involved with Limerick. He would certainly see himself as a football manager/coach rather than a conditioning coach and I would say the role he has with Kerry will be the last one where he is not the manager of a county team. I think the Kildare job is a great one for any aspiring coach if you were given a 3 year term.
Has he managed at club or county underage level?
Is the ul sigerson manager the former kerry keeper declan something?
Declan O'Keffee, he was manager last season I think and a selector under O'Neill for 2 or 3 years. He hasn't managed at club level or underage IC as far as I know but he is a strong personality, tactically aware and a good coach. Don't know what he'd be like as an IC manager but he is definitely a guy who could lead an IC set up.
Quote from: Zulu on July 24, 2013, 12:42:34 PM
Declan O'Keffee, he was manager last season I think and a selector under O'Neill for 2 or 3 years. He hasn't managed at club level or underage IC as far as I know but he is a strong personality, tactically aware and a good coach. Don't know what he'd be like as an IC manager but he is definitely a guy who could lead an IC set up.
He definitely strikes me as someone who could do that job alright.
Exudes confidence in his own ability and seems to have an awful lot going for him.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 24, 2013, 11:53:28 AM
I'm sorry but the team that drew with Donegal in 2011 and should have won were as good as that 98 team IMO.
The team that played on Saturday were not
In fairness on route to 1998 All Ireland final Kildare beat Meath,Kerry the 1996,1997 All Ireland champions something the 2011 team wouldn't have done.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 24, 2013, 04:00:59 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 24, 2013, 11:53:28 AM
I'm sorry but the team that drew with Donegal in 2011 and should have won were as good as that 98 team IMO.
The team that played on Saturday were not
In fairness on route to 1998 All Ireland final Kildare beat Meath,Kerry the 1996,1997 All Ireland champions something the 2011 team wouldn't have done.
Forgot to mention they beat 95 AI winners also in 1998.
If some team beat Cork, Dublin and Donegal this year they'd probably be All Ireland champions and would certainly be a good team.
Kerry, Monaghan or Mayowr could still do it.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 23, 2013, 03:47:17 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 23, 2013, 03:37:28 PM
Not sure there is much evidence to say McGuinness and Horan were obviously going to be outstanding managers. Cian O'Neill would be a fine manager I'd say, he's an intelligent man and a very good coach who has now worked with 3 very good set ups who have all big game experience.
How long before the Cian O'Neill for Kildare takes root? Some journo is probably filing copy already.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/cian-oneill-admits-ambitions-for-kildare-job-29474623.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/cian-oneill-admits-ambitions-for-kildare-job-29474623.html)
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Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 06, 2013, 11:27:24 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 23, 2013, 03:47:17 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 23, 2013, 03:37:28 PM
Not sure there is much evidence to say McGuinness and Horan were obviously going to be outstanding managers. Cian O'Neill would be a fine manager I'd say, he's an intelligent man and a very good coach who has now worked with 3 very good set ups who have all big game experience.
How long before the Cian O'Neill for Kildare takes root? Some journo is probably filing copy already.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/cian-oneill-admits-ambitions-for-kildare-job-29474623.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/cian-oneill-admits-ambitions-for-kildare-job-29474623.html)
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It was obvious one in fairness. The timing is very interesting though, just after the Kerry q/f so not a distraction and just before County Meeting and club championship this weekend.
I'd have no problem if McGeeney stepped aside and O'Neill stepped in.
Might be fantasy but a structure like this I would like to see
Senior
O'Neill - Selectors: Lacey Karl Dwyer Mark Brophy
U21
Murphy - Selectors Lacey, O'Neill, Dermot Finn
Minor
Brendan Hackett - Selectors - Fenin, Cryan, Hendy
Would love to see someone like Ronan Sweeney take on the u16 development squad
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 23, 2013, 10:31:58 PM
Quote from: ross matt on July 23, 2013, 09:59:14 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 23, 2013, 02:38:51 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 23, 2013, 02:26:09 PM
Like I said
I suppose its down to Kildare Co board and supporters, are they happy being the 8th-12th best team in Ireland (if even this year) year after year
You only have to look at ourselves and Donegal for a blueprint for being at the top table, remember we lost to Sligo and Longford, Donegal got hammered by Armagh in 2010. Along come two managers with a solid game plan and transformed both teams to where they are now.
Likewise Cavan and Monaghan look like similar candidates from this year, I'm not sure why you have to wait until 2016.
I'm all for things taking time but he has had more than enough chances.
sorry mate you're deluding yourself in you think Mayo are ahead of Kildare. Dublin Kerry Cork they are not. Win an All-Ireland first.
Jaysus Dinny! Normally rate your posts very highly but that one seems very reactionary and unlike you!
Do you really not think Mayo would beat Kildare?
And "win an All Ireland first"????
When have Kildare even got close since '98 as opposed to all Mayo's AI final appearances since?
I would be very confident Mayo would beat the present Kerry or Cork sides. Even though they've beaten the Dubs in Croker in recent times I would put them as slightly behind them this time as AI favourites.
Not at all slagging off Kildare... I'm a Rossie so the Early connection would always steer me to hoping ye do well but at the same time I think you're being at best deluded or at worst disrespectful to a fine, well prepared an ambitious Mayo side.
It's about context Mayo4sam seems to judge McGeeney as a failure with no reference to Kildare's history I.e. 2 Leinsters in almost 60 years. Ignoring provinces Mayo are as far from winning Sam as Kildare, this is based purely using All-Ireland success as the only barometer. They will not beat 2 of Dublin, Kerry, Cork, Tyrone and Donegal and in that insistance they are the same as the other 28 teams. All IMHO of course.
Looks like we'll have to beat three of that quintet
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 19, 2013, 03:51:23 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 23, 2013, 10:31:58 PM
Quote from: ross matt on July 23, 2013, 09:59:14 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 23, 2013, 02:38:51 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 23, 2013, 02:26:09 PM
Like I said
I suppose its down to Kildare Co board and supporters, are they happy being the 8th-12th best team in Ireland (if even this year) year after year
You only have to look at ourselves and Donegal for a blueprint for being at the top table, remember we lost to Sligo and Longford, Donegal got hammered by Armagh in 2010. Along come two managers with a solid game plan and transformed both teams to where they are now.
Likewise Cavan and Monaghan look like similar candidates from this year, I'm not sure why you have to wait until 2016.
I'm all for things taking time but he has had more than enough chances.
sorry mate you're deluding yourself in you think Mayo are ahead of Kildare. Dublin Kerry Cork they are not. Win an All-Ireland first.
Jaysus Dinny! Normally rate your posts very highly but that one seems very reactionary and unlike you!
Do you really not think Mayo would beat Kildare?
And "win an All Ireland first"????
When have Kildare even got close since '98 as opposed to all Mayo's AI final appearances since?
I would be very confident Mayo would beat the present Kerry or Cork sides. Even though they've beaten the Dubs in Croker in recent times I would put them as slightly behind them this time as AI favourites.
Not at all slagging off Kildare... I'm a Rossie so the Early connection would always steer me to hoping ye do well but at the same time I think you're being at best deluded or at worst disrespectful to a fine, well prepared an ambitious Mayo side.
It's about context Mayo4sam seems to judge McGeeney as a failure with no reference to Kildare's history I.e. 2 Leinsters in almost 60 years. Ignoring provinces Mayo are as far from winning Sam as Kildare, this is based purely using All-Ireland success as the only barometer. They will not beat 2 of Dublin, Kerry, Cork, Tyrone and Donegal and in that insistance they are the same as the other 28 teams. All IMHO of course.
Looks like we'll have to beat three of that quintet
I'd worry about beating Tyrone first. Dragging up old debates is not particularly endearing either.