Might as well get the first championship game thread up and running.............................
The GAA's Ulster Council has been urged to rethink Derry's Championship clash with Down amid fears of traffic chaos.
The match is to take place on June 2 - the same day as the Walled city marathon which will see Foyle Road, a section of Lonemoor Road and the lower deck of the Craigavon Bridge closed as around 1,200 runners take to the streets. Upwards of 15,000 spectators are expected to attend the Celtic Park clash, prompting fears that many fans will be caught up in traffic gridlock in the city.
A spokesman for the Ulster Council told the Journal that it was "aware" of the matter and that a final decision will be made on January 17 at a meeting of the Competitions Control Committee. He said that a venue change would not a be possibility but that a date or time change was being considered to avoid the clash. However, the TV schedule has already been agreed and the decision may depend on that.
SDLP MLA Mark H Durkan, who plans to run the marathon, has called on the Ulster Council to address the concerns. "The clash with the Championship match is unfortunate as the huge additional volume of traffic that it will generate is sure to create headaches for runners, marshals, police and Roads Service.
"It will also be difficult for matchgoers to find parking spaces.
"These are concerns I will be raising with the Ulster Council.
"I would like to think that common sense can prevail and the Derry v Down match can be played on a different date or even the throw-in be put back by a couple of hours."
Meanwhile, the marathon organisers have reopened the event for new entries having filled the initial limit of 1,000 places.
Race Director Noel McMonagle said: "It's great news for any runners out there who thought the gate was firmly shut. Despite reaching the original entry target last week, the significant ongoing demand has persuaded the event organisers to offer a small number of additional places for the eagerly anticipated City of Culture event."
Limited additional entries will now be accepted on a first come first served basis until Friday at 4pm via www.athleticsni.org or at Foyle Hospice, 61 Culmore Road.
No its only January, lets get the league out of the way first
It's not fair for the game to be in Derry in the first place. The Ulster championship used to have a home advantage cycle where every team was guaranteed a first round home match at least every other year. The open draw leaves teams the possibility of being unlucky but more importantly puts a possible unfair burden on some spectators in terms of travel costs. Down are certainly in that category:
2013 - Away to Derry
2012 - Away to Fermanagh
2011 - Away to Armagh
2010 - Away to Donegal
2009 - Away to Fermanagh
2008 - Away to Tyrone
2007 - Away to Cavan (prelim round)
2006 - Home to Cavan
We have had to play away for seven years in a row. I know it is the luck of the draw but it is an unfair system and does not consider the travelling fans. At least 3 of those games should have been at home and that could have saved Down families travelling to games several hundred pounds each in terms of petrol/food.
Quote from: PAULD123 on January 10, 2013, 08:40:41 AM
It's not fair for the game to be in Derry in the first place. The Ulster championship used to have a home advantage cycle where every team was guaranteed a first round home match at least every other year. The open draw leaves teams the possibility of being unlucky but more importantly puts a possible unfair burden on some spectators in terms of travel costs. Down are certainly in that category:
2013 - Away to Derry
2012 - Away to Fermanagh
2011 - Away to Armagh
2010 - Away to Donegal
2009 - Away to Fermanagh
2008 - Away to Tyrone
2007 - Away to Cavan (prelim round)
2006 - Home to Cavan
We have had to play away for seven years in a row. I know it is the luck of the draw but it is an unfair system and does not consider the travelling fans. At least 3 of those games should have been at home and that could have saved Down families travelling to games several hundred pounds each in terms of petrol/food.
Sure didn't a load of ye save money and stay at home to watch United in the Champion's League the night of the Armagh match. Any that did travel probably wish that they did the same. :P
Quote from: PAULD123 on January 10, 2013, 08:40:41 AM
It's not fair for the game to be in Derry in the first place. The Ulster championship used to have a home advantage cycle where every team was guaranteed a first round home match at least every other year. The open draw leaves teams the possibility of being unlucky but more importantly puts a possible unfair burden on some spectators in terms of travel costs. Down are certainly in that category:
2013 - Away to Derry
2012 - Away to Fermanagh
2011 - Away to Armagh
2010 - Away to Donegal
2009 - Away to Fermanagh
2008 - Away to Tyrone
2007 - Away to Cavan (prelim round)
2006 - Home to Cavan
We have had to play away for seven years in a row. I know it is the luck of the draw but it is an unfair system and does not consider the travelling fans. At least 3 of those games should have been at home and that could have saved Down families travelling to games several hundred pounds each in terms of petrol/food.
As much as would like to agree with you I can't - none of those places should cost more than around £30/£40 in fuel to get too - some like Armagh cost peanuts depending on where in Dwon you live. Food - take a picnic - no additional cost - sandwiches from the boot are part of the experience!
In saying that it should be fairer - if 2 teams are drawn in the 1st round, and one was at home last year, and was was away last year, then the team that played away should be given home advantage, otherwise first out gets home advantage.
In this case it wouldn't make a difference as Derry's first round game was against Donegal in Ballybofey last year.
Roll on June - can't wait to the start of the championship!
Top of the head here, derry had only two home ties for years in ulster championship. Home to fermanagh and armagh in recent years. Before that maybe armagh around 96/97
It is of course all to do with the luck of the draw, but, taking into account that Down played almost every home championship matches at Casement Park or Clones before the Marshes was rebuilt, we have only staged one first round USC game on our own ground in the last 20 years.
The 2006 match against Cavan whcih PaulD mentions was in Belfast, in 2005 we were away to Tyrone, in 2004 it was Cavan in Belfast, in 2003 Monaghan in Belfast, in 2002 away to Donegal, in 2001 Cavan in Belfast, in 2000 away to Antrim and 1999 was our last first round game in Newry against Antrim.
Before that, it was away to Tyrone in 1998, Tyrone in Clones in 1997, Donegal in Clones in 1996, Donegal in Clones in 1995 and unforgetably away to Derry in 1994. We were at home to Derry in Newry the previous year, but we have forgotten about that one.
There ye go!
Derry 10/11 Down 11/10
Derry division 2 league champions.
Derry on the way up. Down in division 2.
Fortress Celtic Park.
Brian working his magic with Derry after having worked his magic and taken Down to almost the holy grail in 2010.
Wee James under pressure - big entourage incl. Dr Moyna of DCU fame, trying to impart their vast array of knowledge.
Fascinating contest.
Derry for me.
Tickle you played monaghan at celtic park in the last 5 or 6 years.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 02, 2013, 03:03:59 PM
Tickle you played monaghan at celtic park in the last 5 or 6 years.
Aye forgot. Thats a kind of game you want to forget. Knocked the hole out of each other.
Fortress celtic park, dont make me laugh, we went from 1994 to 2010 losing only 1 game there after down beating us in 94. Since 2010 (lost 4 there out of 5 in a row), and a number of loses since. maybe between 8-10 in total since 2010. We actually play better away from home these days and are not too hot at celtic park any more.
Will the preceding minor match between Derry and Down be marketed the clash of the Apprentice Boys?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 02, 2013, 10:07:06 PM
Fortress celtic park, dont make me laugh, we went from 1994 to 2010 losing only 1 game there after down beating us in 94. Since 2010 (lost 4 there out of 5 in a row), and a number of loses since. maybe between 8-10 in total since 2010. We actually play better away from home these days and are not too at at celtic park any more.
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The Fortress Celtic park was just a propaganda stunt by the City Gaels to try to ensure continued use of the Celtic park for all senior football games. It worked too.
It's hard to predict this game. I think we are capable of beating Down, but a lot of things need to go in our favour. We would need the bulk of our injured players back, particularly McBride and PJ McCloskey. Morale will be high in the Derry camp with promotion and winning the Div2 league title, and perhaps morale in the Down camp wont be so good with the demotion, Dan Gordon injury and the loss of some of their most talented players. But Down have a lot more experience than us and have been playing at a higher level in Div1 so it's really a 50/50 call.
It has the makings of a good game though. Looking forward to it.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 02, 2013, 10:07:06 PM
Fortress celtic park, dont make me laugh, we went from 1994 to 2010 losing only 1 game there after down beating us in 94. Since 2010 (lost 4 there out of 5 in a row), and a number of loses since. maybe between 8-10 in total since 2010. We actually play better away from home these days and are not too at at celtic park any more.
+1
The Fortress Celtic park was just a propaganda stunt by the City Gaels to try to ensure continued use of the Celtic park for all senior football games. It worked too.
It's hard to predict this game. I think we are capable of beating Down, but a lot of things need to go in our favour. We would need the bulk of our injured players back, particularly McBride and PJ McCloskey. Morale will be high in the Derry camp with promotion and winning the Div2 league title, and perhaps morale in the Down camp wont be so good with the demotion, Dan Gordon injury and the loss of some of their most talented players. But Down have a lot more experience than us and have been playing at a higher level in Div1 so it's really a 50/50 call.
It has the makings of a good game though. Looking forward to it.
That first piece sounds like something from the showtrials in Russia under Stalins rule. Trying to make scapegoats out of city gaels wont work.
The second piece linking Dan Gordon's abscence to a poor Down set up means you know f**k all about football.
Dan Gordon is shit.
He may be many a thing but shit aint one of them, for a while he was the best midfielder in ulster, his best days are behind him, but he still handy for down to have, couldnt be match fit though
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Quote from: tbrick18 on May 03, 2013, 11:49:00 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 02, 2013, 10:07:06 PM
Fortress celtic park, dont make me laugh, we went from 1994 to 2010 losing only 1 game there after down beating us in 94. Since 2010 (lost 4 there out of 5 in a row), and a number of loses since. maybe between 8-10 in total since 2010. We actually play better away from home these days and are not too at at celtic park any more.
+1
The Fortress Celtic park was just a propaganda stunt by the City Gaels to try to ensure continued use of the Celtic park for all senior football games. It worked too.
It's hard to predict this game. I think we are capable of beating Down, but a lot of things need to go in our favour. We would need the bulk of our injured players back, particularly McBride and PJ McCloskey. Morale will be high in the Derry camp with promotion and winning the Div2 league title, and perhaps morale in the Down camp wont be so good with the demotion, Dan Gordon injury and the loss of some of their most talented players. But Down have a lot more experience than us and have been playing at a higher level in Div1 so it's really a 50/50 call.
It has the makings of a good game though. Looking forward to it.
That first piece sounds like something from the showtrials in Russia under Stalins rule. Trying to make scapegoats out of city gaels wont work.
The second piece linking Dan Gordon's abscence to a poor Down set up means you know f**k all about football.
Dan Gordon is shit.
You go from bad to worse haha
Gordon will be a huge loss for Down, id have liked to have seen him in a full forward role, there is not a full back in the country would relish that task. Very unselfish player and would have given Down another attacking dimension.
Dont buy into any of this wan bit. He's tall; get over it.
Quote from: theticklemister on May 03, 2013, 01:19:44 PM
Dont buy into any of this wan bit. He's tall; get over it.
Dan is absolute quality. Easily the best midfielder in Down football (pity he was also deemed the best candidate to plug the holes elsewhere). Fully believe that he would take any of that Derry midfield to the cleaners. Who was that no.9 playing for Derry in the league final? Patsy Bradley for all his heart, determination and huff & puff doesn't possess a whole pile of ability. Where has Michael Friel gone to?
I think the players Down should be most afraid of are Enda Lynn and James Kielt. Think they could do real damage.
Ambrose Rodgers is clearly better than gordon. He has the engine to go up and down pitch and break the tackle and take a score.
No. 9 was ryan bell only his second or third start in midfield for doire. He wont be there come championship time as pj mccloskey will go back in. Patsy is very good, he does all the donkey work and if ye seen him in the county final last year he almost entirley dragged slaughtneil from the ground to beat ballinderry. He is one of the favourites for Derry supporters.
Mickey Friel is recovering from injury at the minute. He is playing club football presently. Up against James Keilt this weekend so we will see how he fairs there.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 02, 2013, 10:07:06 PM
Fortress celtic park, dont make me laugh, we went from 1994 to 2010 losing only 1 game there after down beating us in 94. Since 2010 (lost 4 there out of 5 in a row), and a number of loses since. maybe between 8-10 in total since 2010. We actually play better away from home these days and are not too at at celtic park any more.
+1
The Fortress Celtic park was just a propaganda stunt by the City Gaels to try to ensure continued use of the Celtic park for all senior football games. It worked too.
It's hard to predict this game. I think we are capable of beating Down, but a lot of things need to go in our favour. We would need the bulk of our injured players back, particularly McBride and PJ McCloskey. Morale will be high in the Derry camp with promotion and winning the Div2 league title, and perhaps morale in the Down camp wont be so good with the demotion, Dan Gordon injury and the loss of some of their most talented players. But Down have a lot more experience than us and have been playing at a higher level in Div1 so it's really a 50/50 call.
It has the makings of a good game though. Looking forward to it.
That first piece sounds like something from the showtrials in Russia under Stalins rule. Trying to make scapegoats out of city gaels wont work.
The second piece linking Dan Gordon's abscence to a poor Down set up means you know f**k all about football.
Dan Gordon is shit.
Good lad tickle....you are almost single handedly making derry city gaels look like idiots.
I dont think Stalin followed the football by the way, I hear he was more of a hurling fan.
Keep telling untruths tbrick; fortress celtic park is a myth and a load of bollix I agree but please tell me the conspiracy came from Shantallow, Creggan or Gobnascale. Tool bag.
Quote from: theticklemister on May 03, 2013, 02:10:05 PM
Keep telling untruths tbrick; fortress celtic park is a myth and a load of bollix I agree but please tell me the conspiracy came from Shantallow, Creggan or Gobnascale. Tool bag.
It was on wikileaks....look it up.
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Quote from: theticklemister on May 03, 2013, 12:31:49 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 03, 2013, 11:49:00 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 02, 2013, 10:07:06 PM
Fortress celtic park, dont make me laugh, we went from 1994 to 2010 losing only 1 game there after down beating us in 94. Since 2010 (lost 4 there out of 5 in a row), and a number of loses since. maybe between 8-10 in total since 2010. We actually play better away from home these days and are not too at at celtic park any more.
+1
The Fortress Celtic park was just a propaganda stunt by the City Gaels to try to ensure continued use of the Celtic park for all senior football games. It worked too.
It's hard to predict this game. I think we are capable of beating Down, but a lot of things need to go in our favour. We would need the bulk of our injured players back, particularly McBride and PJ McCloskey. Morale will be high in the Derry camp with promotion and winning the Div2 league title, and perhaps morale in the Down camp wont be so good with the demotion, Dan Gordon injury and the loss of some of their most talented players. But Down have a lot more experience than us and have been playing at a higher level in Div1 so it's really a 50/50 call.
It has the makings of a good game though. Looking forward to it.
That first piece sounds like something from the showtrials in Russia under Stalins rule. Trying to make scapegoats out of city gaels wont work.
The second piece linking Dan Gordon's abscence to a poor Down set up means you know f**k all about football.
Dan Gordon is shit.
Good lad tickle....you are almost single handedly making derry city gaels look like idiots.I dont think Stalin followed the football by the way, I hear he was more of a hurling fan.
+1
Keep an open mind lad. Theres some of us who know what their talking about! ;)
GEALIC FOOOTBALLL!!!!
There will be plenty of top class players involved on both sides in the Derry v Down game, and Dan Gordon, had he been available, would have one of the best there. He scored two goals as a full forward in the 2003 Ulster final, which not too many players have done since - have any ? He then became one of the leading mdifielders in the country for several years before switching to full back where he featured in the 2010 All Ireland final. He was also voted by Irish News readers as the best full back in Ulster last year, even though he missed a large part of the season through injury. He has also been a very effective half back and half forward at different stages in recent years, and has been a regular choice in inter-provincial squads. The idea that someone could sit at a keyboard and suggest that he lacks ability is breathtaking.
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Tickle, give it a rest man.
Quote from: Mourne Rover on May 03, 2013, 03:51:45 PM
There will be plenty of top class players involved on both sides in the Derry v Down game, and Dan Gordon, had he been available, would have one of the best there. He scored two goals as a full forward in the 2003 Ulster final, which not too many players have done since - have any ? He then became one of the leading mdifielders in the country for several years before switching to full back where he featured in the 2010 All Ireland final. He was also voted by Irish News readers as the best full back in Ulster last year, even though he missed a large part of the season through injury. He has also been a very effective half back and half forward at different stages in recent years, and has been a regular choice in inter-provincial squads. The idea that someone could sit at a keyboard and suggest that he lacks ability is breathtaking.
+1
Sounds like no chance of Garvey now either. It could be a fresh looking team that lines out in Celtic Park for us.
Quote from: Aristo 60 on May 09, 2013, 01:12:50 PM
Sounds like no chance of Garvey now either. It could be a fresh looking team that lines out in Celtic Park for us.
Donal O'Hare also struggling I see. Would he not be Downs main attacking threat from dead balls and play??
How do your rate your minor team?
Yes he would plus Aidan Carr who has picked up an injury too.
Don't know enough about the minors this year to comment.
Anybody here the craic about this marathon which is happening the same day.
The damn feckers in the uk city of culture committee has penned it for the same date.
I heard the football has an early throw in time (for tv?) which would put it even closer to Marathon probably ::)
Down injuries doing their utmost to help Derry win this?
While a good side and talented, Down's experience will stand to them having done reasonably well this past few years (certainly better than us).
Never wish ill on any player but I wont be crying if Down dont have young O'Hare - imo he is a cracking forward - and a few others.
Derry still finding their style and system. Getting there but a full Down team might have been too much.
Could be close. Too biased to see past a Derry win irrespective of any proper analytical thinking !
Hope to get to this, might see western exile at it perhaps?
Slaughtneil will be without Derry star midfielder Patsy Bradley for this weekend's visit to Loup. The Derry player, who was player of the match in the NFL Division 2 win over Westmeath, injured his back a week ago at work and did not play against Bellaghy last weekend. There is concern the Bradley, who has suffered from back problems in the past, could struggle to be fit for the Down game.
With Banagher's P.J. McCloskey also on the injured list Derry could be short-handed in the midfield department for the Down game.
Quote from: theticklemister on May 10, 2013, 10:22:31 AM
Slaughtneil will be without Derry star midfielder Patsy Bradley for this weekend's visit to Loup. The Derry player, who was player of the match in the NFL Division 2 win over Westmeath, injured his back a week ago at work and did not play against Bellaghy last weekend. There is concern the Bradley, who has suffered from back problems in the past, could struggle to be fit for the Down game.
With Banagher's P.J. McCloskey also on the injured list Derry could be short-handed in the midfield department for the Down game.
13 A Side it is then !
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Quote from: theticklemister on May 10, 2013, 10:22:31 AM
Slaughtneil will be without Derry star midfielder Patsy Bradley for this weekend's visit to Loup. The Derry player, who was player of the match in the NFL Division 2 win over Westmeath, injured his back a week ago at work and did not play against Bellaghy last weekend. There is concern the Bradley, who has suffered from back problems in the past, could struggle to be fit for the Down game.
With Banagher's P.J. McCloskey also on the injured list Derry could be short-handed in the midfield department for the Down game.
If you get it down to 7s yous would be one of the favourites for the AI!
13 A Side it is then !
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Quote from: theticklemister on May 10, 2013, 10:22:31 AM
Slaughtneil will be without Derry star midfielder Patsy Bradley for this weekend's visit to Loup. The Derry player, who was player of the match in the NFL Division 2 win over Westmeath, injured his back a week ago at work and did not play against Bellaghy last weekend. There is concern the Bradley, who has suffered from back problems in the past, could struggle to be fit for the Down game.
With Banagher's P.J. McCloskey also on the injured list Derry could be short-handed in the midfield department for the Down game.
If you get it down to 7s yous would be one of the favourites for the AI!
13 A Side it is then !
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: lynchbhoy on May 09, 2013, 04:06:25 PM
Down injuries doing their utmost to help Derry win this?
While a good side and talented, Down's experience will stand to them having done reasonably well this past few years (certainly better than us).
Never wish ill on any player but I wont be crying if Down dont have young O'Hare - imo he is a cracking forward - and a few others.
Derry still finding their style and system. Getting there but a full Down team might have been too much.
Could be close. Too biased to see past a Derry win irrespective of any proper analytical thinking !
Hope to get to this, might see western exile at it perhaps?
Indeed you will! And since we 'staters have the Monday off, we might just make a day of it!
Although the Down injury list is long, the work related injury to Conor Garvey reminds us that there are more important things than football. We all wish him a speedy and full recovery.
Whats the latest with our injuries? Who definitely out, who might make it?
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Whats the latest with our injuries? Who definitely out, who might make it?
Mikey Linden is out for defs.
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Whats the latest with our injuries? Who definitely out, who might make it?
Mikey Linden is out for defs.
Good job for Derry he is too!! Possibly one of the best ever individual performances ever produced in Celtic Park! Though probably couldn't have done it without Blaney, what a duo!
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Whats the latest with our injuries? Who definitely out, who might make it?
Mikey Linden is out for defs.
Gary Coleman will be v glad to hear it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxU9aCiLW3o
Here at 94 highlights if anyone has 8 minutes to spare. What a game, brolly was on fire in the first half, Linden was on fire the whole game.
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Whats the latest with our injuries? Who definitely out, who might make it?
Mikey Linden is out for defs.
Good job for Derry he is too!! Possibly one of the best ever individual performances ever produced in Celtic Park! Though probably couldn't have done it without Blaney, what a duo!
Played v well in Derry, but where were both of them in the Marches 93 (Coleman marked Linden out of that day, never mentioned) and Casement 92.
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Quote from: southdown on May 15, 2013, 09:22:02 AM
Whats the latest with our injuries? Who definitely out, who might make it?
Mikey Linden is out for defs.
Good job for Derry he is too!! Possibly one of the best ever individual performances ever produced in Celtic Park! Though probably couldn't have done it without Blaney, what a duo!
Played v well in Derry, but where were both of them in the Marches 93 (Coleman marked Linden out of that day, never mentioned) and Casement 92.
your last statement sums up Down. Mostly average apart from the odd year. Look at 2009 Beaten by Wicklow in the qualifiers, then 2010 get to the all Ireland and lose by a point. following year clare nearly knocked us out. Thats the rollercoaster following Down and it all begins again on the 2nd June.
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Quote from: southdown on May 15, 2013, 09:22:02 AM
Whats the latest with our injuries? Who definitely out, who might make it?
Mikey Linden is out for defs.
Good job for Derry he is too!! Possibly one of the best ever individual performances ever produced in Celtic Park! Though probably couldn't have done it without Blaney, what a duo!
Played v well in Derry, but where were both of them in the Marches 93 (Coleman marked Linden out of that day, never mentioned) and Casement 92.
your last statement sums up Down. Mostly average apart from the odd year. Look at 2009 Beaten by Wicklow in the qualifiers, then 2010 get to the all Ireland and lose by a point. following year clare nearly knocked us out. Thats the rollercoaster following Down and it all begins again on the 2nd June.
The unpredictability of GAA is what makes it great!
You never know whats going to happen.
Looking forward to the 2nd with equal amounts of excitement and trepidation.
I cant wait for this game! However injuries seem to be having a big effect on both teamsheets. Any updates on whos out and whos going to be fit?
Should be confident about this game, but i cant help but feel that down could rattle us on the day and turn us over, hope am wrong, but there be alot of new starts plus we do seem to have alot of long term injuries not helping our strength on the bench.
After seeing that today, Down be well favorites for the Celtic park game. Sorta fancied us b4 the day, galway beat us and Armagh drew with us, but both practically beat out the gate today. Doesn't omen well for a few weeks time
Lads i think we let Down have this one,i dont fancy getting trimmed in clones by Donegal later in the yr,
Our only chance is the draw and the Oak leafers and Mourne men send 30 players onto the pitch at Clones!
It all looks ominous doesnt it?
I really dont see either Derry or Down being able to compete with that Donegal team, but the only thing I'd say about playing them is that you would know where you stand afterwards. It lets you know what you need to work on to continue the development.
they still beat the 30 of us
oh we know were we stand before playing them
Heard Down beat laois in a friendly but we've seen what laois is made of today ::)
Is there much point playing this game. Donegal will hammer the winners. Be quicker just to put Donegal into final and both into qualifiers.
Quote from: sam03/05 on May 26, 2013, 11:27:50 PM
Is there much point playing this game. Donegal will hammer the winners. Be quicker just to put Donegal into final and both into qualifiers.
In hindsight, was there any point in Tyrone playing them ?
There will be 10-15 points in it at the end.
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Quote from: sam03/05 on May 26, 2013, 11:27:50 PM
Is there much point playing this game. Donegal will hammer the winners. Be quicker just to put Donegal into final and both into qualifiers.
In hindsight, was there any point in Tyrone playing them ?
It provided me with an afternoon's entertainment - so i'm glad it was played :P
I'd say a few tyrone boys are wearing the 8) to hide the battle scars today..
Quote from: sam03/05 on May 27, 2013, 09:00:23 AM
There will be 10-15 points in it at the end.
Catch yourself on. There won't be that margin in it!
Derry big favourites for this game at home and a division 2 title collected along the way.
Derry seem to have injury concerns.
There's little talk of Down which will suit wee James.
I wouldn't see us as favourites at all, in fact at best I think its a 50-50 game for us.
The step up from Div2 to Div1 is a big enough step and Down have been in Div1 for a few years so they are used to playing at that level.
Derry on the other hand have a lot of very young players who only have experience of playing Div2 teams.
McIver should have us well prepared for Down, but with players injured and others returning from injury out team from the league final will probably change quite a bit so that's another unknown.
I dont think there'll be more than a kick of the ball in it either way.
Every year I get more confident the closer we get to a game (and then we usually get beat), so with that in mind I'll tip Derry to shade it by 2 points. Home advantage and McIver being the key.
As I do every year, I'm going to tip Down to win the 1st round game.
I'm usually wrong.
No.1 used to blame the loss on my tipping, but I think the problems lie a little deeper :)
Honestly though, what I think this year's Championship results so far have shown is that the standard of Division 1 is significantly higher than Division 2. Down got beat from pillar to post in the league, but in all likelihood, this weekend they'll have a fair bit more time and space than they've been used to; even if Derry try running them into the ground and tossing them around like wet lettuces, Down shouldn't be surprised. Derry, conversely, might find themselves wondering how Down are so sharp (until our inevitable implosion in the first 10 minutes of the second half).
Need Derry to do the biz this week
Have had a hard two weeks since that fiasco in Cavan
And would like some vengeance 8)
This game will hopefully be a fast open tussle. Or it could be two teams looking at each other trying badly to implement a sweeper system. Injuries will certainly make a difference.
Down were a bit poorer than the rest of Division 1. But not pathetic. A last second goal from Cork in the end was all that relegated us. We matched Cork, Beat Kildare and Mayo and were really not that far away from Tyrone. Down are a decent side and apart from a shocker in Croke were competitive in the Division while looking just a little bit short of the required standard.
Perhaps more than any game this summer this match will tell us a lot about the difference between playing your preparation football in Division 2 or Division 1.
As for predictions. If Down get away and moving and build a lead I think they will be too powerful for Derry over all. But if Derry get around 5 points on us then I expect us to collapse like we do every other time.
Pauld123's assessment of our league form was fair enough. We were poor away to Dublin and Kerry and faded in Donegal after a decent start. In Newry, where we tend to be a different proposition, we lost fairly narrowly to Tyrone, beat Kildare and Mayo and should have beaten Cork as well.
However, our league performances have been generally decent over the last couple of years but our summer displays have not. We have produced some reasonable periods at different stages, but never over a full 70 minutes since our championship run of 2010. Our defeats against Armagh and Cork in 2011 and Donegal and Mayo last year were particularly disappointing and made us look like a team going backwards rapidly.
The combination of Derry's home advantage and McIver and Tally's detailed knowledge of our squad looks ominous, but the emergence of Boyle, Mallon and O'Hare and the resurgence of McKernan and Carr gives us at least some hope. If all five are fit, we are capable of giving it a rattle.
After yesterday, am not too worried about this game, thought the winner could give donegal a rattle but that aint going to happen. Lose to Down by a few points, or get your ass handed to you playing Donegal. First time in along time am not to fussed about the championship as the so-called winner will be the long term loser. Derry already will be weaker than they were in the league with 3/4 of the panel missing from the league final, if it wasnt already bad as up to 10 players have missed alot of game time through the league and a number of those are still missing. i dont know how fit Paddy Bradley is, but we the lack of forwards we currently have, he bound to be good enough for the bench! Its not as if he doesn't want to play!
I heard that OHare is out and Carr has only returned to training??
I heard O'Hare is in good shape
Hope you are right
The uncle from Newry usually has his facts square enough. :)
very quiet build up to this match from both counties. are there many down fans on here travelling up? there seems to a feeling that Donegal have ulster sewn up and the rest shouldn't bother. i'll be heading up to celtic park hoping we can beat derry and then catch Donegal on a bad day. its that time of the year again when we all set out with hope.
This will be an open game with high scoring i think, both teams like to score goals. There is after the weekend the sense of inevitablity among supporters but if i were a player i'd love the opportunity to knock Donegal off their perch no hard that might prove to be. Looking forward to this game and still a number of key positions in the Derry team that aren't known who will start.
Very low key build up in Down this week. Mightn't be a bad thing.
Still think we are a better team than Derry with more big match players.
An exciting open game is in the offing.
Minors have the capability to make it a double in Celtic Park. Watch out for Conor Doyle and Cory Quinn up front. Lethal finishers.
Funny i fancy Derry minors and seniors to both win too!
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 28, 2013, 03:39:46 PM
Very low key build up in Down this week. Mightn't be a bad thing.
Still think we are a better team than Derry with more big match players.
An exciting open game is in the offing.
Minors have the capability to make it a double in Celtic Park. Watch out for Conor Doyle and Cory Quinn up front. Lethal finishers.
Watch out for the best man marker in Ulster. Oisin Hegarty :)
Strange feeling knowing that whoever wins could well take a tanking in the next round :(
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 28, 2013, 03:39:46 PM
Very low key build up in Down this week. Mightn't be a bad thing.
Still think we are a better team than Derry with more big match players.
An exciting open game is in the offing.
Minors have the capability to make it a double in Celtic Park. Watch out for Conor Doyle and Cory Quinn up front. Lethal finishers.
Think both games will be very tight. Derry minors with the St. Pats boys on board might be slight favourites with home advantage and Down seniors might just edge it due to the fact that they have been playing against better opposition this season .
Quote from: southdown on May 28, 2013, 04:05:45 PM
Strange feeling knowing that whoever wins could well take a tanking in the next round :(
I really hope the Donegal team don't buy into this attitude! Because I'm sure the bandwagon brigade will be filling their ears with the same shite. I think we'll beat the winner, mostly because of McGuinness's skills, but Donegal still have to pay Derry/Down the proper respect and prepare accordingly. Too many teams have been caught out too many times in the past especially in Ulster. I'll never forget the tanking Monaghan gave us in '95 after we strolled past AI champs Down. (Sunday was not the first time supporters were singing "cheerio" in Ballybofey!). Or Armagh 2004 after we beat Tyrone. Or Tyrone 2007 after we beat Armagh.
Quote from: J70 on May 28, 2013, 04:57:12 PM
Quote from: southdown on May 28, 2013, 04:05:45 PM
Strange feeling knowing that whoever wins could well take a tanking in the next round :(
I really hope the Donegal team don't buy into this attitude! Because I'm sure the bandwagon brigade will be filling their ears with the same shite. I think we'll beat the winner, mostly because of McGuinness's skills, but Donegal still have to pay Derry/Down the proper respect and prepare accordingly. Too many teams have been caught out too many times in the past especially in Ulster. I'll never forget the tanking Monaghan gave us in '95 after we strolled past AI champs Down. Or Armagh 2004 after we beat Tyrone. Or Tyrone 2007 after we beat Armagh.
There would have been a certain false reading of things there after too much partying in the Mournes!
Quote from: DennistheMenace on May 28, 2013, 03:50:11 PM
Funny i fancy Derry minors and seniors to both win too!
unfortunately the terrible throw in time for the minor game and clash with the marathon will prob mean most people will miss the minors.
Its a long enough drive without having to leave even earlier to avoid traffic. I would say if im in the ground for 1.50pm i will be happy enough.
Quote from: snoopdog on May 28, 2013, 05:03:00 PM
Quote from: DennistheMenace on May 28, 2013, 03:50:11 PM
Funny i fancy Derry minors and seniors to both win too!
unfortunately the terrible throw in time for the minor game and clash with the marathon will prob mean most people will miss the minors.
Its a long enough drive without having to leave even earlier to avoid traffic. I would say if im in the ground for 1.50pm i will be happy enough.
What time does the marathon start?
starts at 8.30 from prehen (waterside area just about 0.5 mile from blue bridge coming from strabane direction). It should be finished in time. mind ye however there are bound to loads of people walking the marathon so it may take longer and the track and places cordoned off is going to have be partitioned until the last person finishes the race. there could be trouble ahead, no official announcement yet from the uk city of culture offices stating if there is going to be a clash.
not sure of the route.
Miles 8-13 are out the direction of the Letterkenny Road, so would likely be clear by the time match traffic would hit. On that basis, you should check the route coming through Strabane, cross the border at Lifford, and go through St Johnstone and Carrigans. The marathon does run that route but if it starts at 8.30, you'd imagine most will be through 12 miles in 4 hours, even if they are walking! It is a pretty handy drive to Celtic Park that way if any Down supporters are coming under Lough Neagh and through Omagh, Strabane.
We always go that route when going to Celtic Park.
Marathon route
http://thewalledcitymarathon.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/SSE_WCM_Route2.png (http://thewalledcitymarathon.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/SSE_WCM_Route2.png)
whats the parking situation like in the vicinity of celtic park? why was the marathon and the match allowed to clash like this? surely the ulster council could have switched the match to the Saturday evening to avoid any clash.
Quote from: SHEEDY on May 28, 2013, 06:14:52 PM
whats the parking situation like in the vicinity of celtic park? why was the marathon and the match allowed to clash like this? surely the ulster council could have switched the match to the Saturday evening to avoid any clash.
Why should the GAA switch?
Parking maybe a bit cramped, tis wile since we have had 13,000 or so at a game. But doesnt matter where ye park in brandywell, creggan or bog; it is not a long walk to pitch.
not to worry we not have 13,000 there sunday either, could see the occasion where the away teams out numbers the home team, unless of course the sunday is shining
Ah come on wildweasel show a bit of faith!! We are going well with a new manager and squad. Im sure ye. Will find a lot travelling over the Glenshane!
Quote from: J70 on May 28, 2013, 04:57:12 PM
Quote from: southdown on May 28, 2013, 04:05:45 PM
Strange feeling knowing that whoever wins could well take a tanking in the next round :(
I really hope the Donegal team don't buy into this attitude! Because I'm sure the bandwagon brigade will be filling their ears with the same shite. I think we'll beat the winner, mostly because of McGuinness's skills, but Donegal still have to pay Derry/Down the proper respect and prepare accordingly. Too many teams have been caught out too many times in the past especially in Ulster. I'll never forget the tanking Monaghan gave us in '95 after we strolled past AI champs Down. (Sunday was not the first time supporters were singing "cheerio" in Ballybofey!). Or Armagh 2004 after we beat Tyrone. Or Tyrone 2007 after we beat Armagh.
I agree with most of that, J70.
I would not be as pessimistic as some, and I don't think any of the players would be either. This is a great opportunity for both teams. The winner will get a chance to test themselves against the reigning AI champions and the form team of the moment. It should be about ambition. Which teams wants the most from this year? Any team that has sights on a long summer should be excited about facing up to the best at some stage. Both Derry and Down might yet have a long summer regardless of the result of this game or the semi-final.
Great news that Donal O'Hare has been declared fit along with Danny Hughes and it looks like Aiden Carr will be capable of playing a part. Gordon, Garvey and McParland are reported as our only absentees. None have really played all season so we are not shocked by their absence. But it would have been really useful to have had big Dan.
If we progress through the summer would Dan become available. A broken foot should heal fully in three months shouldn't it, and he did it nearly a month ago. So isn't possible Dan would be back by the round 4 qualifier?
Also does anyone know if Shay McCartan has joined the squad?
Quote from: PAULD123 on May 29, 2013, 10:45:31 PM
Great news that Donal O'Hare has been declared fit along with Danny Hughes and it looks like Aiden Carr will be capable of playing a part. Gordon, Garvey and McParland are reported as our only absentees. None have really played all season so we are not shocked by their absence. But it would have been really useful to have had big Dan.
If we progress through the summer would Dan become available. A broken foot should heal fully in three months shouldn't it, and he did it nearly a month ago. So isn't possible Dan would be back by the round 4 qualifier?
Also does anyone know if Shay McCartan has joined the squad?
Isn't that the fella that was released by Burnely?, has he played much club football since he came back?
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 29, 2013, 10:52:01 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on May 29, 2013, 10:45:31 PM
Great news that Donal O'Hare has been declared fit along with Danny Hughes and it looks like Aiden Carr will be capable of playing a part. Gordon, Garvey and McParland are reported as our only absentees. None have really played all season so we are not shocked by their absence. But it would have been really useful to have had big Dan.
If we progress through the summer would Dan become available. A broken foot should heal fully in three months shouldn't it, and he did it nearly a month ago. So isn't possible Dan would be back by the round 4 qualifier?
Also does anyone know if Shay McCartan has joined the squad?
Isn't that the fella that was released by Burnely?, has he played much club football since he came back?
Outstanding underage talent. And i assume he has been training all year with whatever team he was loaned out to.
Maybe the lad wants a break from football after the dissapointment of not making the big time. But would be a great addition to a Down forward line. Has a great eye for goal.
Quote from: snoopdog on May 30, 2013, 10:46:59 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 29, 2013, 10:52:01 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on May 29, 2013, 10:45:31 PM
Great news that Donal O'Hare has been declared fit along with Danny Hughes and it looks like Aiden Carr will be capable of playing a part. Gordon, Garvey and McParland are reported as our only absentees. None have really played all season so we are not shocked by their absence. But it would have been really useful to have had big Dan.
If we progress through the summer would Dan become available. A broken foot should heal fully in three months shouldn't it, and he did it nearly a month ago. So isn't possible Dan would be back by the round 4 qualifier?
Also does anyone know if Shay McCartan has joined the squad?
Isn't that the fella that was released by Burnely?, has he played much club football since he came back?
Outstanding underage talent. And i assume he has been training all year with whatever team he was loaned out to.
Maybe the lad wants a break from football after the dissapointment of not making the big time. But would be a great addition to a Down forward line. Has a great eye for goal.
That sums up Down football, year after year, decade after decade.
I long for the next Paddy Kennedy
Western Exile is right about Paddy Kennedy, who was good enough to win an All Star in 1981 at a time when very few came north. The funny thing is that Down had two other equally good full backs then in Tommy McGovern and Mark Turley who had to be moved to either the corner or the half backs. Our production line of natural number threes came to a halt some time ago, although in fairness both Benny McArdle and Dan Gordon have done well there when when shifted from their recognised positions.
Anyway, the official team for Celtic Park has just been named.
Mc Veigh
D Mc Cartan Mc Ardle Boyle
Rooney P Turley Quinn
Rogers Mc Kernan
Madine Poland Coulter
O Hare King Laverty.
It's a reasonable looking line-up after all the injuries, although there is a prospect of some positional switches and it would not be a surprise if Ryan Mallon started as well.
Rusty wasnt bad either. At his peak in the early 80s after winning his AI minor medal in 77. But he simply couldn't break through the 3 lads you mentioned.
Turley was captain when we won the league in 83 and Tommy McGovern was exceptional.....superb footballer. Kennedy was a rolls Royce.
Derry (v Down): Eoin McNicholl; Gerard O'Kane, Chrissy McKaigue, Ryan Scott; Charlie Kielt, Mark Lynch, Sean Leo McGoldrick; Patsy Bradley, Ryan Bell; Aidan McAlynn, James Kielt, Enda Lynn; Benny Heron, Eoin Bradley, Coilin Devlin.
Substitutes: Thomas Mallon, Declan Brown, Dermot McBride, Brian McCallion, Conor McAtamney, Kevin Johnston, Bliain Gormley, Declan Mullan, Emmett Mc Guckin, Lee Kennedy, Aaron Devlin
Derry v Down 1994
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxU9aCiLW3o&sns=em
Quote from: snoopdog on May 30, 2013, 10:46:59 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 29, 2013, 10:52:01 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on May 29, 2013, 10:45:31 PM
Great news that Donal O'Hare has been declared fit along with Danny Hughes and it looks like Aiden Carr will be capable of playing a part. Gordon, Garvey and McParland are reported as our only absentees. None have really played all season so we are not shocked by their absence. But it would have been really useful to have had big Dan.
If we progress through the summer would Dan become available. A broken foot should heal fully in three months shouldn't it, and he did it nearly a month ago. So isn't possible Dan would be back by the round 4 qualifier?
Also does anyone know if Shay McCartan has joined the squad?
Isn't that the fella that was released by Burnely?, has he played much club football since he came back?
Outstanding underage talent. And i assume he has been training all year with whatever team he was loaned out to.
Maybe the lad wants a break from football after the dissapointment of not making the big time. But would be a great addition to a Down forward line. Has a great eye for goal.
Burnley has resign Shay McCartan for another 2 years
slight surprise in some players starting who have played little through the league, very young and inexperienced sub bench. Alot of good players not on the panel currently injured at present. I know Micheal Friel wasnt too hot last yr but was very impressive in 2011 and i cant believe he not in the panel with PJ out injured, and diver retired, Midfield looks risky with Patsy carrying a injury. I dont know how fit Paddy Bradley is, but we 1 guy starting who was out as long as he was, and given the league not started too long in Derry he been called back into the panel after injury, makes me wonder what form he picked on if PB been told he not be back to he shows some form for his club. he been a big benefit on a sub bench light on experience. PJ and barry McGoldrick must be further off the pace than i thought. C Mullan and C McWilliams also looked as if they be in the 24 earlier in the yr. is mark Craig back playing for Dungiven yet>? Def not the strongest panel we would have out when Emmett bradley, C McFaul and McCamley, D Heavern, R ferris, if not injured / lacking match practice would been in contention too. What i give to get a full year with no players injured
Quote from: Minder on May 30, 2013, 10:19:16 PM
Derry v Down 1994
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxU9aCiLW3o&sns=em
A few random memories from that day. Jerome's dodgy jacket...we gave him some stick....he was interviewing Sean McCague live on TV. we all chanted "you bought your coat in Tavey's" >:( ;D
That was the start of the 94 World Cup and we went back to some pub close to the ground to watch the game and Barry Breen, Ross, Greg and a few others joined us for a few pints. Best memory of the lot was a masterclass by Mickey.....unreal day...great memories.
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 30, 2013, 10:53:03 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 30, 2013, 10:19:16 PM
Derry v Down 1994
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxU9aCiLW3o&sns=em
A few random memories from that day. Jerome's dodgy jacket...we gave him some stick....he was interviewing Sean McCague live on TV. we all chanted "you bought your coat in Tavey's" >:( ;D
That was the start of the 94 World Cup and we went back to some pub close to the ground to watch the game and Barry Breen, Ross, Greg and a few others joined us for a few pints. Best memory of the lot was a masterclass by Mickey.....unreal day...great memories.
What about the slogan in the middle of the pitch getting painted over???
Yeah agree with wildweasel, we are more short than I thought beforehand. Only 1 recognised midfielder on the bench and he hasn't touched leather all year. Very young bench and very light physically.
For once we would be physically very small in the starting 15 also, but maybe this will lend us to moving the ball at speed instead which will be of an advantage.
Well it is great to know that these players will come back in for Donegal when we beat Down!
DOWN: Brendan McVeigh; Daniel McCartan, Brendan McArdle, Ryan Boyle; Declan Rooney, Peter Turley, Keith Quinn; Ambrose Rogers, Kevin McKernan; Niall Madine, Mark Poland, Benny Coulter; Donal O'Hara, Kalum King, Conor Laverty.
Looks like high balls into Kalum King with Laverty getting the breaking ball.
At the risk of correcting such a distinguished commentator as 5 Sams, the Derry/Down classic of May 29, 1994 was shortly before and not during the World Cup. The Republic of Ireland played a friendly away to Germany that evening and amazingly enough won 2-0 (Tony Cascarino and Gary Kelly). We also adjourned to a bar after Celtic Park to watch the soccer, and it neatly rounded off a day of days.
any minor line ups announced yet?
Ulster GAA wishes to advise patrons travelling to Sunday's games in Celtic Park, Derry to take account of the fact that the "Walled City" Marathon is also taking place in the areas in proximity to the venue from 8.30am on the day.
As a result some partial road closures and temporary traffic restrictions will be in place on the approaches to Celtic Park, particularly around the Craigavon Bridge area.
We would ask supporters to:
- Travel early, leaving additional time for their journey.
- Follow directional electronic signage and car parking signage in the city to avoid disruption.
- Down supporters are recommended to travel from the Omagh, Strabane approach (A5) to enter Derry via Lifford or from Newbuildings use the Foyle Bridge.
- Derry supporters travelling via Dungiven are advised to use the Foyle Bridge and those travelling from the North West of the County are asked to come via Limavady/Ballykelly and use the Foyle Bridge.
Down lads coming via omagh and strabane it looks like they are asking ye to come in from one part of the city go through the waterside over the foyle bridge and come right down the cityside. This could add at about 30 minutes onto your trip, by the looks of it they wont let ye over the old blue bridge. Be warned.
On the other hand when ye hit strabane go over to lifford and up through donegal and keep going on the road to derry until ye come to the brandywell and it will be much quicker and handier.
Drici is gonna give me a disgruntled text shortly for helping ye Down rule 21ers and 42ers out!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: theticklemister on May 30, 2013, 11:35:46 PM
DOWN: Brendan McVeigh; Daniel McCartan, Brendan McArdle, Ryan Boyle; Declan Rooney, Peter Turley, Keith Quinn; Ambrose Rogers, Kevin McKernan; Niall Madine, Mark Poland, Benny Coulter; Donal O'Hara, Kalum King, Conor Laverty.
Looks like high balls into Kalum King with Laverty getting the breaking ball.
King is well adept at playing full forward. Plays quite a lot there with his club. Wouldn't expect him to be in there the whole game though.
Still think Ryan Mallon will start somewhere.
I doubt that starting XV will be the same as the one that takes to the field on Sunday afternoon.
Quote from: theticklemister on May 30, 2013, 11:58:49 PM
Ulster GAA wishes to advise patrons travelling to Sunday's games in Celtic Park, Derry to take account of the fact that the "Walled City" Marathon is also taking place in the areas in proximity to the venue from 8.30am on the day.
As a result some partial road closures and temporary traffic restrictions will be in place on the approaches to Celtic Park, particularly around the Craigavon Bridge area.
We would ask supporters to:
- Travel early, leaving additional time for their journey.
- Follow directional electronic signage and car parking signage in the city to avoid disruption.
- Down supporters are recommended to travel from the Omagh, Strabane approach (A5) to enter Derry via Lifford or from Newbuildings use the Foyle Bridge.
- Derry supporters travelling via Dungiven are advised to use the Foyle Bridge and those travelling from the North West of the County are asked to come via Limavady/Ballykelly and use the Foyle Bridge.
Down lads coming via omagh and strabane it looks like they are asking ye to come in from one part of the city go through the waterside over the foyle bridge and come right down the cityside. This could add at about 30 minutes onto your trip, by the looks of it they wont let ye over the old blue bridge. Be warned.
On the other hand when ye hit strabane go over to lifford and up through donegal and keep going on the road to derry until ye come to the brandywell and it will be much quicker and handier.
Drici is gonna give me a disgruntled text shortly for helping ye Down rule 21ers and 42ers out!!!!!!!!!!
I would be very wary about going via Lifford. Down cars could easily get caught up in a Donegal swarm. Surrounded by up to 15 cars plus Jimmy McGuiness and a very frightening experience.
Looking at the 2 starting teams I would fancy Derry to narrowly win this game in a low scoring affair cos I'm reliably informed that McCartan is playing even more defensive this year.
Quote from: theticklemister on May 30, 2013, 11:58:49 PM
On the other hand when ye hit strabane go over to lifford and up through donegal and keep going on the road to derry until ye come to the brandywell and it will be much quicker and handier.
About a mile or two outside Lifford (just past Shay Given's home place on the left) ye have to turn right at the Rosgier inn. It's not a great road but might save ye a good few miles rather than follow the sign post to Derry up the N14 & N13
http://goo.gl/maps/EoyyY (http://goo.gl/maps/EoyyY)
Drici sent a text this morn.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2013, 10:24:38 AM
Looking at the 2 starting teams I would fancy Derry to narrowly win this game in a low scoring affair cos I'm reliably informed that McCartan is playing even more defensive this year.
I'd say there wont be a game Derry plays in this year that will be low scoring ! Dry, no wind, James Kielt...plenty of scores (at both ends!) Looking forward to a good hardy contest
Down seem to be favourites for this one.
http://experiencemore.ie/experience-speaks/2013/05/30/ambassador-predictions-week-3
Quote from: J OGorman on May 31, 2013, 10:52:32 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2013, 10:24:38 AM
Looking at the 2 starting teams I would fancy Derry to narrowly win this game in a low scoring affair cos I'm reliably informed that McCartan is playing even more defensive this year.
I'd say there wont be a game Derry plays in this year that will be low scoring ! Dry, no wind, James Kielt...plenty of scores (at both ends!) Looking forward to a good hardy contest
Derry might have a high scoring rate under McIver but if Down's main aim is to not concede then it could reduce their scoring threat. The fact that McIver will have worked with Down a few years ago may be a slight help as well. Looking at that Down line up there are only about 7 players that started the AI final in 2010, thats a fair turnover of players.
The division 2 form guide is not exactly looking too good however though with the results to date of Armagh, Laois, Galway and Longford not working out too well.
Quote from: Mourne Rover on May 30, 2013, 11:38:24 PM
At the risk of correcting such a distinguished commentator as 5 Sams, the Derry/Down classic of May 29, 1994 was shortly before and not during the World Cup. The Republic of Ireland played a friendly away to Germany that evening and amazingly enough won 2-0 (Tony Cascarino and Gary Kelly). We also adjourned to a bar after Celtic Park to watch the soccer, and it neatly rounded off a day of days.
I stand corrected ;)
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 31, 2013, 11:39:29 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on May 30, 2013, 11:38:24 PM
At the risk of correcting such a distinguished commentator as 5 Sams, the Derry/Down classic of May 29, 1994 was shortly before and not during the World Cup. The Republic of Ireland played a friendly away to Germany that evening and amazingly enough won 2-0 (Tony Cascarino and Gary Kelly). We also adjourned to a bar after Celtic Park to watch the soccer, and it neatly rounded off a day of days.
I stand corrected ;)
Neither of ye should have been watching soccerball anyhow >:( on what was such a beautiful day of football :)
Aristo, you are allowed to watch soccer as long as you don't enjoy it. For example, also in 1994, the World Cup final was on the same day as the Ulster final. The game played on a scorching day on Clones was absolutely brilliant, with Mickey Linden inspiring Down to lift the Anglo-Celt. Brazil then bored everyone to death by winning on penalties after 120 minutes with no score in Pasadena. As Down fans were still out celebrating their magnificent triumph earlier in the day, allowing the World Cup to be on television in the background was permissible.
What ye expect from Down lads????!!!
Quote from: Mourne Rover on May 31, 2013, 05:59:10 PM
Aristo, you are allowed to watch soccer as long as you don't enjoy it. For example, also in 1994, the World Cup final was on the same day as the Ulster final. The game played on a scorching day on Clones was absolutely brilliant, with Mickey Linden inspiring Down to lift the Anglo-Celt. Brazil then bored everyone to death by winning on penalties after 120 minutes with no score in Pasadena. As Down fans were still out celebrating their magnificent triumph earlier in the day, allowing the World Cup to be on television in the background was permissible.
+1!
Down by 2 in an average enough game and if we get bate it's wobblers fault for tipping us.
5 Sams, we must been in the same bar as you after the 94 game. Obviously I was on the orange juice being so young at the time!
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 29, 2013, 10:52:01 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on May 29, 2013, 10:45:31 PM
Great news that Donal O'Hare has been declared fit along with Danny Hughes and it looks like Aiden Carr will be capable of playing a part. Gordon, Garvey and McParland are reported as our only absentees. None have really played all season so we are not shocked by their absence. But it would have been really useful to have had big Dan.
If we progress through the summer would Dan become available. A broken foot should heal fully in three months shouldn't it, and he did it nearly a month ago. So isn't possible Dan would be back by the round 4 qualifier?
Also does anyone know if Shay McCartan has joined the squad?
Isn't that the fella that was released by Burnely?, has he played much club football since he came back?
Shay is one of only two youth team members to be RETAINED by Burnley so dont expect to see him in the red & black anytime soon.
Quote from: theticklemister on May 31, 2013, 06:15:06 PM
What ye expect from Down lads????!!!
a win. heading up full of confidence that down can win. down by 3pts. 8)
getting all the more worrying now that dublin run rings round westmeath the nite, are div 2 teams that really far of county pace
Am only surmising but could see a few changes to that Down tomorrow. Think Mallon might start with either Quinn or madine losing out and king possibly moving to midfield, ambrose to half forward and benny to full forward.
Then again James might surprise us and go with the team that is named. Either way I'd expect a tight game.
Mallon won't start. Might be one or two other changes though, probably more positional than personnel.
Time to get on the road soon, hope Derry edge this one, confident but still abit unsure about this game as the gap with div 1 and 2 teams look big even though these teams are swapping places next yr
Quote from: Leo on May 31, 2013, 10:48:01 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 29, 2013, 10:52:01 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on May 29, 2013, 10:45:31 PM
Great news that Donal O'Hare has been declared fit along with Danny Hughes and it looks like Aiden Carr will be capable of playing a part. Gordon, Garvey and McParland are reported as our only absentees. None have really played all season so we are not shocked by their absence. But it would have been really useful to have had big Dan.
If we progress through the summer would Dan become available. A broken foot should heal fully in three months shouldn't it, and he did it nearly a month ago. So isn't possible Dan would be back by the round 4 qualifier?
Also does anyone know if Shay McCartan has joined the squad?
Isn't that the fella that was released by Burnely?, has he played much club football since he came back?
Shay is one of only two youth team members to be RETAINED by Burnley so dont expect to see him in the red & black anytime soon.
Thought he was released and was a free agent, obviously not.
Shay McCartan was RELEASED by Burnley.
For the day that's in it, I stuck on the 94 highlights.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mxU9aCiLW3o (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mxU9aCiLW3o)
How times have changed, at 7:25 the commentator is shocked by the position the corner forward has taken up!. :)
Half time in the minor game, Down lead by 2-05 to Derrys 0-05. Derry started well with two points but Down responded with two quick goals.
Good match. Very enjoyable for a neutral.
Was a great game until Vipbox stopped working :'(
Great scores by both teams, though Derry were going to run away with it but half time might have saved Down, giving them a chance to regroup.
Now Brian Mc Iver joins Paul Grimley in the search for Plan B
After the non event of recent televised games. Good to see a sorta tight(ish) game with plenty of scores (and not just from one team. Both not bad sides and have some very decent players. There won't be many not wanting to meet Derry in the back door.
Well done to both teams.
Both very positive and some great scores.
Enjoyed that game. Some excellent play and good scores. Mckiernan has serious pace and was impressive
Quote from: T Fearon on June 02, 2013, 03:43:44 PM
Now Brian Mc Iver joins Paul Grimley in the search for Plan B
Grimleys still looking for plan A tone!
Donegal will hardly be sweating after that. They will destroy that Down defence especially the full back line. They are very poor.
Poland single handedly dragged us back into that game
Very decent game, some turnaround by Down in the last half hour. Derry will be disappointed to score what they did and still lose, their defence was poor at times. They looked to lack a bit of leadership in the second half when it was needed whereas Down had Poland and McKernan pulling the strings.
McKernan is a powerful runner from midfield and it will be interesting to see how he fares against Donegal whilst Poland is a very good playmaker with great vision. Coulter was a great player but is nowhere near the player he was. He could still do a job on the edge of the square but the game Mc Cartan seems to favour is 2 small fast mobile men up front. This will be totally ineffective against Donegal who will swallow them up all day.
True LB! ;D
Great week for Down all the same,win today and a new bridge from Sammy Wilson!
Quote from: EC Unique on June 02, 2013, 04:12:37 PM
Donegal will hardly be sweating after that. They will destroy that Down defence especially the full back line. They are very poor.
The bitterness hasn't subsided from last week.
Hi guys,
Tactical analysis of Down's win over Derry up here
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7300
Thanks,
Emmet
A win in any Championship game is always brilliant but Today's will potentially mask over some serious problems for Down. Derry could've had the game dead and buried by HT but somehow managed to take the foot off the pedal. I just fear Donegal will be too strong and physical for us and their levels of fitness superior, especially in the Second Half of the game.
McVeigh - Fantastic save from Bradley in the first half that kept Down in the game. Poor kick out that resulted in a Derry Point when
Turley wasn't even facing him.
McCartan - Done rightly. Kept tight and was the best player in the Full-Back line.
McArdle - Anyone trying to promote him as the answer to Down's FB problems needs their head examined. Gave Bradley far too much respect and room and got tortured all day. Only for Turley on several occassions his day would've got a lot worse. Simply never tight enough.
Boyle - Tough Championship debut against the elusive Lynn who was probably Derry's best player in the Second Half. Poor wide after a great run summed up his day.
Rooney - Got a bit of a roasting at time from James Kielt who kicked some fabulous points. Very strange decision to start him in front of Mallon who would've been better suited to this game with his direct runs at Derry's poor defence.
Turley - Done the job he was asked to do in helping out McArdle. Saved his Team Mate on several occassions. Does it simple.
Quinn - Poor game in my opinion. Never got going. Big improvement needed.
King - Fabulous tackle on Lynn in the later stages but generally has faded from the player he was in 2010. Needs to offer more.
McKernan - Kicked 4 great points that effectively won the game for Down. Great passer of the ball and offers a good source of quality supply for his inside Forward's. Down's best Player.
Rodgers - Physical presence around the middle and won a lot of break ball in the first half. Good to see him get some Championship game time.
Poland - Better game than recent form. Got on a lot of ball and generally used it well. 1-2 is a great return.
Madine - Great game. Kicked 0-3 and is a big physical presence. Faded towards the end.
O'Hare - Good finish for the goal but just feel we need more from him in general play. Will find it much tougher against Donegal.
Coulter - Tough day for Benny. Mixed the good with the bad. Seemed to spill more ball than he usually would.
Laverty - Lucky man not to see Red for persistent fouling and then a stupid ankle tap when on a Yellow Card. Needs to get on the score board more.
Where u at the game guevara or watching on tv ?? Only reason I ask is that although I agree with a lot of what u have said I think ur rating of king was very harsh.
A lot of his work doesn't be seen on the tv and I'd go as far to say that he was close to my mom and it was one of his best games ever for Down, a great foil for mckernan as well.
A bit harsh on Rooney too I thought. Kielt is a class act and took some great scores but I thought Rooney kept him quiet for long periods. Also thought he got forward quite well. Whatever Mallon offers he certainly ant the man to mark Kielt !!!
I thought King was immense and a contender for motm although McKernan probably gets the nod.
Thought we won midfiled all day long and not sure why all kick outs weren't being put there when we were so dominant.
Wouldn't be so hard on Benny McArdle as Bradley was on fire.
Laverty's interception to me was the crucial moment and but for it we wouldn't have romped home so handy.
Great turnaround, Donegal won't allow us to do the same. If we can get within 5 or 6 points of them we'll have put down some sort of a marker in Ulster ;)
Well done the minors too. Celtic Park a happy hunting ground for the Down men.
Will enjoy watching this on tv later!
I was at the game WG. Agreed Kalum does a lot of the dirty work around the middle that isn't seen or noticed a lot of the time but in my opinion and its only that, he isn't having the same impact on games like he was a few years ago. Lets not forget Derry had an injured Patsy Bradley & a 19 year old debutant in Bell so Down were expected to dominate in that sector.
On Rooney I thought he looked sluggish and Kielt had a big impact for Derry in the first half. Mallon should have started ahead of either Rooney or Quinn. To say Mallon wasn't the man for Kielt is based on what?
Benny McArdle was very poor. No matter how good Eoin Bradley was, Benny had Peter Turley sweeping in front and still managed to foul on countless occasions when there was no need. These converted free's kept Derry within touching distance at a crucial stage of the first half and in Championship Football you will get punished for this. We got away with it Today in my opinion but anyone who can't see the problems there is naive.
Thought King was immense - Man of the match narrowly ahead of Poland. Both those men dragged Down back into it when they looked beaten. McKernan is a good footballer and does nice things when Down are on top
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 02, 2013, 07:34:35 PM
Thought King was immense - Man of the match narrowly ahead of Poland. Both those men dragged Down back into it when they looked beaten. McKernan is a good footballer and does nice things when Down are on top
Ah come on - Would have been a critic of McKernan in the past but you have to admit he was brilliant today. His points at the end closed out the match. His and King's display is the best I have seen in a long while from a midfield duo.
Absolutely delighted with the win - Great Feeling
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 02, 2013, 07:34:35 PM
Thought King was immense - Man of the match narrowly ahead of Poland. Both those men dragged Down back into it when they looked beaten. McKernan is a good footballer and does nice things when Down are on top
Catch yourself on. Mc Kernan was superb throughout and worked constantly for the team!!
Quote from: guevara on June 02, 2013, 05:17:06 PM
A win in any Championship game is always brilliant but Today's will potentially mask over some serious problems for Down. Derry could've had the game dead and buried by HT but somehow managed to take the foot off the pedal. I just fear Donegal will be too strong and physical for us and their levels of fitness superior, especially in the Second Half of the game.
McVeigh - Fantastic save from Bradley in the first half that kept Down in the game. Poor kick out that resulted in a Derry Point when
Turley wasn't even facing him.
McCartan - Done rightly. Kept tight and was the best player in the Full-Back line.
McArdle - Anyone trying to promote him as the answer to Down's FB problems needs their head examined. Gave Bradley far too much respect and room and got tortured all day. Only for Turley on several occassions his day would've got a lot worse. Simply never tight enough.
Boyle - Tough Championship debut against the elusive Lynn who was probably Derry's best player in the Second Half. Poor wide after a great run summed up his day.
Rooney - Got a bit of a roasting at time from James Kielt who kicked some fabulous points. Very strange decision to start him in front of Mallon who would've been better suited to this game with his direct runs at Derry's poor defence.
Turley - Done the job he was asked to do in helping out McArdle. Saved his Team Mate on several occassions. Does it simple.
Quinn - Poor game in my opinion. Never got going. Big improvement needed.
King - Fabulous tackle on Lynn in the later stages but generally has faded from the player he was in 2010. Needs to offer more.
McKernan - Kicked 4 great points that effectively won the game for Down. Great passer of the ball and offers a good source of quality supply for his inside Forward's. Down's best Player.
Rodgers - Physical presence around the middle and won a lot of break ball in the first half. Good to see him get some Championship game time.
Poland - Better game than recent form. Got on a lot of ball and generally used it well. 1-2 is a great return.
Madine - Great game. Kicked 0-3 and is a big physical presence. Faded towards the end.
O'Hare - Good finish for the goal but just feel we need more from him in general play. Will find it much tougher against Donegal.
Coulter - Tough day for Benny. Mixed the good with the bad. Seemed to spill more ball than he usually would.
Laverty - Lucky man not to see Red for persistent fouling and then a stupid ankle tap when on a Yellow Card. Needs to get on the score board more.
Obvious sentiments from an armchair supporter and a very poor analysis as well.
I wouldnt read too much into the midfield the day, the next day against donegal in midfield will be a better measure.It was know that patsy Bradley has been injured since the league final and although listed we expected a change before the throw in. bell played ok but got lost in the overcrowing round the sector. Derry dropped Joe Diver of the panel at the start of the year and Michael friel wasnt not even on the panel today. 2 yrs ago this pairing beat any midfield they came up against hands down. Derry practically collapsed today, and why am not sure,but between players starting and coming of the bench 4/5 of the lads hadnt even featured in the league which i would understand if they were experienced players coming in. In saying that Down deserved the win, but they will know themselves the keeper got them outa jail at the end of the 1st half, otherwise the result may have been different
delighted with the win today. thought king had one of his best games in a down jersey. Poland and mc kernan got through a mountain of work and dragged us back into it in the 2nd half. good feeling to be travelling back with 2 wins.
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 02, 2013, 07:34:35 PM
Thought King was immense - Man of the match narrowly ahead of Poland. Both those men dragged Down back into it when they looked beaten. McKernan is a good footballer and does nice things when Down are on top
Good man. Poor attempt at a wind up. McKernan was magnificent today. Best player on the field.
Quote from: guevara on June 02, 2013, 07:31:52 PM
I was at the game WG. Agreed Kalum does a lot of the dirty work around the middle that isn't seen or noticed a lot of the time but in my opinion and its only that, he isn't having the same impact on games like he was a few years ago. Lets not forget Derry had an injured Patsy Bradley & a 19 year old debutant in Bell so Down were expected to dominate in that sector.
On Rooney I thought he looked sluggish and Kielt had a big impact for Derry in the first half. Mallon should have started ahead of either Rooney or Quinn. To say Mallon wasn't the man for Kielt is based on what?
Benny McArdle was very poor. No matter how good Eoin Bradley was, Benny had Peter Turley sweeping in front and still managed to foul on countless occasions when there was no need. These converted free's kept Derry within touching distance at a crucial stage of the first half and in Championship Football you will get punished for this. We got away with it Today in my opinion but anyone who can't see the problems there is naive.
Based on a) it being his championship debut b) being renound as an attacking half back and not a particular good man marker and c) being rusty having injured for the past 4 wks.
He is a good lad and is a potential option at half back but certainly not to man mark one of derrys best forwards.
When I left earlier Derry were well in control. They announced the score down the pitch and I couldn't believe it. What were Derry at in the second half? Or were Down just so good.
Seen Down in a challenge game recently and that King lad is some animal.
It was a flawed Down performance certainly but still one with plenty of pace, skill and above all guts. We could easily have folded on either side of half time, and we were under huge pressure with five minutes left, but we stuck to our game plan and ended up turning a four point deficit at the break into a five point win - something we very rarely do in the championship.
The people who keep saying we are weak at the back are stating the obvious but not taking into account our missing faces. If we were at full strength, Gordon, Carr, Garvey and Doyle would be certain starters, with O'Hagan and McParland very much in contention. With all six unavailable, James deserves considerable credit for the way he has juggled limited resources.
McVeigh has clearly worked hard on his short kick-outs, apart from the near disaster when he hit the ball too quickly towards Turley and we were happy to concede a point rather than a goal. Funnily enough, we did very well from his longer clearances today and the slow build up from the back does not always suit us. His save just before half time was crucial.
McArdle could not get close to Bradley in the first half, although Derry's supply line was first class and Turley took quite a while to get used to the double marking job. Both of them improved dramatically after the break when our midfield got on top and Bradley was reduced to dropping so deep that he made no impact.
McCartan had relatively little to do, but was always composed, while Boyle showed both some uncertainty and impressive mobility on his debut. Quinn, also on his first championship appearance, had a mixed afternoon, covering a huge amount of ground but not really imposing himself on the game. Rooney lost Kielt a couple of times but was always available to push up, kicked a fine point and was probably our best defender .
If our defence is still a project under construction, our midfield has matured into what could become something special. It was amazing to read a couple of posts questioning King's performance, as he was awesome from start to finish. An early booking is always a problem for his combative style, but he caught almost everything in the middle, tackled aggressively without fouling , kept producing simple and effective passes and even sauntered forward for a point.
McKernan was even better, spraying diagonal passes and repeatedly leaving opponents for dead with his stunning change of gear. For a forward to finish with four points from play in a tight contest would be an excellent return but for a midfielder it is outstanding.
Ambrose may just have found his best position when his fitness fully returns, as he also had a tremendous game until he understandably tired. Benny started well but got involved too much with his marker and ran out of steam long before the end. However, his is a confidence player and one score will hopefully get him up and running again. Poland was taken out off the ball after kicking a fine early point, and took some time to recover, but he was brilliant when the game was up for grabs. Derry could not cope with him, and the standing ovation from the Down support he greeted with a clenched fist salute when he went off in injury time was well deserved.
Madine was a little nervous in the opening stages, but he has the power and acceleration to get into the scoring zone and his three points were all well taken. Laverty could not get into the game for ages, but quality usually tells and his interception to set up the second goal was a killer moment. O'Hare was another slow starter who got better and better and 1-4 tells its own story. He might have taken an easy point which would have left us four up rather than hitting the post while going for another late goal, but for his age he is really looking the part.
Mallon looked as confident as ever when he came on but two consecutive handling errors will not help his chances of starting the next day. Savage and Johnston are on the light side but were buzzing as the space opened up towards the end.
It was a very good day at the office for James overall, as he made the switches in both tactics and personnel at all the right times, and the squad seems to responding positively to Moyna as well.
Very entertaining match. I like this Down team and hope they win Ulster.
Ten minutes into the second half Down were pedestrian and looked to be going out. Then, whoosh! Did the players just click or did James make a change?
Well done Down.
It's good to see Poland, McKernan and King taking on the the mantle of leaders, though there's definitely an oddity about the current Down team that they don't play two good halves of football. Much prefer it when the good half is the second half.
Without trying to wear out my red and black glasses, the foot-passing and shooting by Down today was as good as anything I've seen in the Championship so far this year.
Some negatives include Benny looking like a veteran (hopefully he's just finding his feet for the summer), and the handful of "name on the back pages" moments of selfishness by Down players, which is a bad habit, and not something you'll see from the top 3-4 teams who know the value of every score. But it was a good display.
Perhaps the most noticeable thing to day for me, apart from it being an entertaining game, was just how little subtlety both Down and Derry display in the darker arts of the game. The pulling and shoving off the ball, the third man tackles, the slowing down of frees, the time wasting, the diving was all so blatant that the referee would have been within his rights to book just about every player. Wee James could do a lot worse than pay a video specialist a sum of money to put together a presentation of the differences between how Down/Derry do things and Donegal/Mayo do things. There's only split seconds in the timing most of the time... but Down look like their obstructing, Donegal look like they're being obstructed.
Down have Brendan Mc Veigh to thank for being in the next round.
Had Skinner bagged the second goal on the stroke of half time, Down were dead and buried.
I culdn't believe Skinner got the room he did in the first half.
Down's work rate improved immeasurably in the 2nd half.
It was interesting to hear Gerard O'Kane say at the end of the match that the Derry defenders didn't know at times who they were supposed to be marking as Down we're interchanging constantly.
Donegal would not have been too worried about whatever team won today.
Down on the other hand will want to exorcise the ghosts of Ulster final 2012 and a good few other recent heavy championship defeats by Cork.
Nice to see Down doing well. It would be great if they could put Donegal back in their box.
Quote from: seafoid on June 02, 2013, 10:05:35 PM
Nice to see Down doing well. It would be great if they could put Donegal back in their box.
It would be great, but Donegal are going to tear that Down defence asunder.
Quote from: Dont Matter on June 02, 2013, 09:22:11 PM
When I left earlier Derry were well in control. They announced the score down the pitch and I couldn't believe it. What were Derry at in the second half? Or were Down just so good.
Seen Down in a challenge game recently and that King lad is some animal.
Former super heavyweight boxer and MMA fighter.
Enjoyable day out today with Minors and Seniors both winning.
King, McKernan and Poland outstanding for the Seniors. We will give Donegal a game of it but it won't be enough. We have the necessary to make the All Ireland Quarter Finals.
6ft 5" Tom Grimley was sublime at midfield for the Minors. Not only can he field but he is very agile going forward aswell.
Carryduff's Sean McGonigle is a tidy playmaker at centre half while the full forward line of Quinn, McGrady and Doyle got 1-08 from play.
Big day out in Clones awaits!
Fair play Mourne Rover and Wobbler. You won't read any better analysis than that into the papers tomorrow. I can't match it but IMHO McKernan looked liked an All Star already. Polie controlled things and probably won the game for us. If Kallum had another gear he would be the best midfielder in Ireland at the minute. I'm worried about Benny...he seems to be trying too hard..we need him at his Best V Tír Chonáill. V impressive debut byMadine..there's much more in O'Hare and we have Danny to come back. If James pulls off a result on the 23rd it will be one of the best ever by any Down team ....ever..bring it on.
I think you should be using Benny as an impact sub.
No better man to bring in with 15 min to go.
Delighted with the result. Sunday Game's brief highlights made it look like a subdued enough atmosphere, but I probably haven't enjoyed a Down championship game as much since Kildare in 2010. Kevin McKernan has been Down's best player by a mile this year, he deserves such credit for the work he has obviously put into his game. In this match and the Kildare league game he stood out by a mile as the best player on the pitch. His fitness and pace even at the very end of the match were incredible. He really leads the team in adversity, along with Mark Poland who was similarly brilliant. For a man who has only played 11 minutes of competitive intercounty football, making his championship debut, Niall Madine was outstanding, and looks a brilliant prospect for the future. Ambrose also put in a good shift and will be a serious asset once we get him back to full fitness. Donal O'Hare improves with every game, good to see him contribute from play as well as dead balls. Donegal are well ahead of us and Murphy & McFadden will probably go to town on our defence, but f*** it, for all the doom and gloom people are spouting about the players Down have lost to immigration and the like, the future doesn't look so bad after all.
Quote from: Gabriel on June 02, 2013, 11:22:08 PM
Delighted with the result. Sunday Game's brief highlights made it look like a subdued enough atmosphere, but I probably haven't enjoyed a Down championship game as much since Kildare in 2010. Kevin McKernan has been Down's best player by a mile this year, he deserves such credit for the work he has obviously put into his game. In this match and the Kildare league game he stood out by a mile as the best player on the pitch. His fitness and pace even at the very end of the match were incredible. He really leads the team in adversity, along with Mark Poland who was similarly brilliant. For a man who has only played 11 minutes of competitive intercounty football, making his championship debut, Niall Madine was outstanding, and looks a brilliant prospect for the future. Ambrose also put in a good shift and will be a serious asset once we get him back to full fitness. Donal O'Hare improves with every game, good to see him contribute from play as well as dead balls. Donegal are well ahead of us and Murphy & McFadden will probably go to town on our defence, but f*** it, for all the doom and gloom people are spouting about the players Down have lost to immigration and the like, the future doesn't look so bad after all.
How old is Niall Madine? kicked a few great scores. Brilliant game of football to watch
The reality is both teams knew before the day it will not count against donegal who would beat the pick of both teams. Down were great in the 2nd half, but at half time any down men we were talking to had given up the ghost
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 02, 2013, 11:02:42 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on June 02, 2013, 09:22:11 PM
When I left earlier Derry were well in control. They announced the score down the pitch and I couldn't believe it. What were Derry at in the second half? Or were Down just so good.
Seen Down in a challenge game recently and that King lad is some animal.
Former super heavyweight boxer and MMA fighter.
Enjoyable day out today with Minors and Seniors both winning.
King, McKernan and Poland outstanding for the Seniors. We will give Donegal a game of it but it won't be enough. We have the necessary to make the All Ireland Quarter Finals.
6ft 5" Tom Grimley was sublime at midfield for the Minors. Not only can he field but he is very agile going forward aswell.
Carryduff's Sean McGonigle is a tidy playmaker at centre half while the full forward line of Quinn, McGrady and Doyle got 1-08 from play.
Big day out in Clones awaits!
Armagh's Tom Grimley?
As a Derry man I'm obviously disappointed with the result but what a great game of football it was to watch for the vast majority of the game. Attacking football, some great scores and played within the right spirit. I thought the Eoin Bradley miss for the goal just before half-time was crucial but in the end I think Down deserved it. McKernan was a sight to behold in the second half, a powerful runner and took some great scores. Kalum King very good too and does a lot of the 'donkey' work that might go unnoticed when watching on TV.
For Derry Enda Lynn was very good and Bradley a constant threat in the first half. Down dominated midfield (to be expected) and lifted it up a gear when they needed to. A thoroughly enjoyable game and still some positives for Derry to take out of it. Whilst I don't expect Down to beat Donegal, they will certainly give them a game.
Also Down supporters that I met anyway were a credit to their County, very friendly folk. Hope you go on to do well in the summer.
From a Down perspective delighted with 2 wins yesterday and both fully deserved. Just a few general comments though.
King was my MOM, was immense i thought. Yes he gets booked too easily but his all round physical game always means he plays on the edge. Thought he bossed midfield and anyman in a Derry jersey that came up against him seemed to flounder. Best performance in a long time in a Down jersey. Thought he provided the platform for McKernan flourishing.
McKernan was excellent in general play and took his scores fantastically as only he can (does he ever score the simple ones..always a slice-a-roonie). Feel he needs to be more consistent though and back this up now and produce back-to-back peformances. Its gonna take it against Donegal.
Poland was poor in the first half i thought and took time to find his feet, but his trickery and ball retention/decision making was evident in the 2nd phase.
The Burren contingent really won the game when it was in the balance. Rooney swinging over a score, McKernans athleticism and scores allied with O'Hares no-frills precision and dead-eye for scores. Dan maybe managed to slip under the radar of the critics in this game too, still soild as a rock.
The importance of McVeigh's save from Bradley in 1st half cant be underestimated, was turning point in game.
If i were from Derry id be soo sick, the game was there to press on and after hitting 3 wides on the trot at the start of 2nd half they seemed to disintegrate fast. I think Derry really left the door open for Down comeback and we made full advantage of the offer.
Bradley, O'Kane and Kielt all standout performers for Derry, and maybe im being overly critical but the goalkeeper persisted in hittig long kicks down the middle when clearly Down were on top in that sector.
In terms of the debutants Boyle struggled with Lynn but the game should bring him on. He schould scored goal in 1st half and a point in 2nd. Quinn needs to settle himself, fond of runnin ball into contact and decision making can be riopey at times. Madine had great debut, strong, fast and eye for score. Like the cut of his gib and interested to see how he pushes on from here.
On another note, can someone please explain the personnel and roles of the Down entourage. Who are they all and what do they contribute? Not debating but genuinely curious. There is the Co Sec, then another guy in glasses and a cap, then Wee James, Jerome, a taller silver haired guy, then a wee small ginger lad, then another skinny wee man in a cap, then another slightly larger wee man in amongst the players for the warm up, and then another 3 or 4 men. Just wondering.
I was there and I must say I'm dissapointed with Derry's second half performance. Gerard O'Kane was at fault for both goals and clearly wasn't fit. For the manager to keep him on the field never mind marking Mark Poland was incompetence at best.
Also, the game was over when he started making changes. He brought Emmet McGuckin on when we were 5 points down!
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 03, 2013, 11:19:20 AM
From a Down perspective delighted with 2 wins yesterday and both fully deserved. Just a few general comments though.
King was my MOM, was immense i thought. Yes he gets booked too easily but his all round physical game always means he plays on the edge. Thought he bossed midfield and anyman in a Derry jersey that came up against him seemed to flounder. Best performance in a long time in a Down jersey. Thought he provided the platform for McKernan flourishing.
McKernan was excellent in general play and took his scores fantastically as only he can (does he ever score the simple ones..always a slice-a-roonie). Feel he needs to be more consistent though and back this up now and produce back-to-back peformances. Its gonna take it against Donegal.
Poland was poor in the first half i thought and took time to find his feet, but his trickery and ball retention/decision making was evident in the 2nd phase.
The Burren contingent really won the game when it was in the balance. Rooney swinging over a score, McKernans athleticism and scores allied with O'Hares no-frills precision and dead-eye for scores. Dan maybe managed to slip under the radar of the critics in this game too, still soild as a rock.
The importance of McVeigh's save from Bradley in 1st half cant be underestimated, was turning point in game.
If i were from Derry id be soo sick, the game was there to press on and after hitting 3 wides on the trot at the start of 2nd half they seemed to disintegrate fast. I think Derry really left the door open for Down comeback and we made full advantage of the offer.
Bradley, O'Kane and Kielt all standout performers for Derry, and maybe im being overly critical but the goalkeeper persisted in hittig long kicks down the middle when clearly Down were on top in that sector.
In terms of the debutants Boyle struggled with Lynn but the game should bring him on. He schould scored goal in 1st half and a point in 2nd. Quinn needs to settle himself, fond of runnin ball into contact and decision making can be riopey at times. Madine had great debut, strong, fast and eye for score. Like the cut of his gib and interested to see how he pushes on from here.
On another note, can someone please explain the personnel and roles of the Down entourage. Who are they all and what do they contribute? Not debating but genuinely curious. There is the Co Sec, then another guy in glasses and a cap, then Wee James, Jerome, a taller silver haired guy, then a wee small ginger lad, then another skinny wee man in a cap, then another slightly larger wee man in amongst the players for the warm up, and then another 3 or 4 men. Just wondering.
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It's called a modern day inter county backroom team. All counties have them now. They usually number as many as the playing panel.
Oh im well aware that its the modern day managerial setup. Im just curious to know who they all are, names, roles, clubs they hail from etc. Just curious/nosey. There was a huge amount of them.
I thought they were reducing the size of the backroom team allowed along the side line e.g. losing a doctor or physio. Maybe it is from next year?
Yep, one of the oddities of modern GAA is that it takes 5 people to make an on-field decision, and 5 other people in the background doing all the odd jobs, thereby ensuring that the "football men" can concentrate on football. Club football is awash with it too, except with smaller groups of men.
I wasn't at the game, so I didn't see the programme. But seeing as the press release team had Rogers at 8, Madine at 10, Coulter at 12 and King at 14, I'm guessing that the programme did as well - meaning we are in for a pointless (and entirely justifiable) fine.
Hopefully I'm wrong. If not, then those 5-6 "non-football men" should be replaced by one person strong enough to make sure that administration tasks are administered.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 03, 2013, 12:06:00 PM
Yep, one of the oddities of modern GAA is that it takes 5 people to make an on-field decision, and 5 other people in the background doing all the odd jobs, thereby ensuring that the "football men" can concentrate on football. Club football is awash with it too, except with smaller groups of men.
I wasn't at the game, so I didn't see the programme. But seeing as the press release team had Rogers at 8, Madine at 10, Coulter at 12 and King at 14, I'm guessing that the programme did as well - meaning we are in for a pointless (and entirely justifiable) fine.
Hopefully I'm wrong. If not, then those 5-6 "non-football men" should be replaced by one person strong enough to make sure that administration tasks are administered.
The reasons:
Making sure ye don't go over the use of yer 5 subs is a fecking difficult job okay;
Making sure ye have the cone the correct colour is hard work, especially when the cone ye want is at the bottom of the pile. A 6/7 man job right there;
Making sure everyone gets on the BBC is important.
So nobody here knows who the rest of the management team are then???
No wobbler the team that lined out yesterday was the same one that was in the match programme!
On the game itself i too thought King shaded it over McKernan and Polie for man of the match. He bossed the middle in the air and his tackling/workrate was immense. Although he may not neceassarily be the person you want in possession, i thought at times when we had free kicks in our own half or around the middle it was king who would show himself to collect and give a simple ball. This was particulaly the case late in the first half when things weren't going down's way and i felt some other players were maybe reluctant to make themselves available. McKernan played shocking well too and 4 points is a great contribution, maybe had two other attempts when shooting may not have been the best optiion but sure i suppose he cant score them all.
Polie's second half and direct running really helped to open Derry up.
Two very enjoyable games and victories. Must say i thought the whole atmosphere around Derry regarding both sets of supporters was excellent. Great day.
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When I left earlier Derry were well in control. They announced the score down the pitch and I couldn't believe it. What were Derry at in the second half? Or were Down just so good.
Seen Down in a challenge game recently and that King lad is some animal.
Former super heavyweight boxer and MMA fighter.
Enjoyable day out today with Minors and Seniors both winning.
King, McKernan and Poland outstanding for the Seniors. We will give Donegal a game of it but it won't be enough. We have the necessary to make the All Ireland Quarter Finals.
6ft 5" Tom Grimley was sublime at midfield for the Minors. Not only can he field but he is very agile going forward aswell.
Carryduff's Sean McGonigle is a tidy playmaker at centre half while the full forward line of Quinn, McGrady and Doyle got 1-08 from play.
Big day out in Clones awaits!
Armagh's Tom Grimley?
The North Down's Gold Coast Tom Grimley. Although I am led to believe he has Armagh connections.
Recorded the BBC coverage. 2 weeks in a row they have pundits on from the team playing who "should be on the team" but are out of favour. McHugh was backing up Mugsy's inclusion in the Tyrone team last week. Yesterday Paddy Bradley was on and had a few pops at McIvor.
What Antrim/Monaghan start with a grievance will be given air time during the highlights show next week ??? I can think of a few already...
Get the McGourty clan on ; that would be hilarious!!
The best Down performance since the 2010 AIQF.
Our defence still looks weak but was encouraged by the new faces. Is Niall Madine Mickey's son?
Hi lads,
Video analysis now up of how Down used the left corner to create goal chances
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7304
Emmet
Is it possible to watch the match again on BBC iPlayer?
I had a looksee and cannot find it.
Fair play to Down, better team won.
Derry will be disappointed they didnt make there dominance in the first half count on the scoreboard more but a better team would have.
Very attacking game of football, however, defensively both teams were naive.
Down will have to improve considerably to be any threat to Donegal.
Hopefully we'll get a lucky draw in the qualifiers to get us started on a bit of a run.
Tickle, may as well just change the title of this...
Where will this be played? Bit of a farce really.
What a rubbish draw.
3 on Eoin Bradley this time...
Yup agree, there should be a rule against this happening in this round at least.
Suspect both teams will be stronger for this game than the first game.
I know Derry were drew out first but hopefully this game will be played in Newry. GAA cant expect Down fans to travel all the way to Derry again.
With the Distance for either supporters a sunday afternoon game would suit best id imagine.
this draw should not have happened, the old rule should still apply, you cant play the team you have alreay played in the 1st round of the championship.
Derry will be well up for this as they probably feel they could have taken Down last day out. While Down will be hoping to keep better control of a brilliant Eoin Bradley. Its a tough one considering the other teams in the draw. I was hoping to avoid Derry and Tyrone tbh.
Will they have a double header with the hurlers? Common sense so prob not
Quote from: snoopdog on July 01, 2013, 09:22:51 AM
I know Derry were drew out first but hopefully this game will be played in Newry. GAA cant expect Down fans to travel all the way to Derry again.
With the Distance for either supporters a sunday afternoon game would suit best id imagine.
this draw should not have happened, the old rule should still apply, you cant play the team you have alreay played in the 1st round of the championship.
Derry will be well up for this as they probably feel they could have taken Down last day out. While Down will be hoping to keep better control of a brilliant Eoin Bradley. Its a tough one considering the other teams in the draw. I was hoping to avoid Derry and Tyrone tbh.
Will they have a double header with the hurlers? Common sense so prob not
great idea there at the end
Is Casement still available? I'm sure the South Derry wans would rather go there than Celtic Park.
Quote from: passedit on July 01, 2013, 09:58:18 AM
Is Casement still available? I'm sure the South Derry wans would rather go there than Celtic Park.
Good shout!!
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Quote from: passedit on July 01, 2013, 09:58:18 AM
Is Casement still available? I'm sure the South Derry wans would rather go there than Celtic Park.
Good shout!!
It's not a home tie for Antrim.
If I've read the qualifier rules right, the first team drawn out gets home advantage.
I know most of the comments are in hope rather than expectation, but can anyone explain why they think Derry would even consider giving up this advantage? It's not like they're going to sell out any venue this is taken to.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 01, 2013, 10:36:27 AM
If I've read the qualifier rules right, the first team drawn out gets home advantage.
I know most of the comments are in hope rather than expectation, but can anyone explain why they think Derry would even consider giving up this advantage? It's not like they're going to sell out any venue this is taken to.
Cause there are a lot of South Derry hoor bags in the county of Derry.
I would imagine that it will be in Owenbeg like the weekend game?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 01, 2013, 10:50:02 AM
I would imagine that it will be in Owenbeg like the weekend game?
Nah no chance. There were 10,500 at the Championship game and you would imagine with it being a good game most of those will go back and probably a few others as well.
Owenbeg holds 6,500 so I think it'll definitely be in the City.
Yup it will be in Celtic Park, i'm hoping for a Saturday evening game.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 01, 2013, 10:50:02 AM
I would imagine that it will be in Owenbeg like the weekend game?
can see this happening
it would suit derry
where is owenbeg???
Quote from: snoopdog on July 01, 2013, 11:22:09 AM
where is owenbeg???
Outside Dungiven.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwe-2quDLAc
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 01, 2013, 10:50:02 AM
I would imagine that it will be in Owenbeg like the weekend game?
Nah no chance. There were 10,500 at the Championship game and you would imagine with it being a good game most of those will go back and probably a few others as well.
Owenbeg holds 6,500 so I think it'll definitely be in the City.
Can't see there being a bigger crowd at a qualifier match, I suppose it depends on whether it is televised or not. I'd imagine it would suit Derry to play in Owenbeg. Derry will have to make some tactical adjustments from the last game if they are to win this. It might suit them that they will likely go in as underdogs and will have a score to settle with Down. Definitely the pick of the qualifier matches.
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 01, 2013, 10:50:02 AM
I would imagine that it will be in Owenbeg like the weekend game?
Nah no chance. There were 10,500 at the Championship game and you would imagine with it being a good game most of those will go back and probably a few others as well.
Owenbeg holds 6,500 so I think it'll definitely be in the City.
Can't see there being a bigger crowd at a qualifier match, I suppose it depends on whether it is televised or not. I'd imagine it would suit Derry to play in Owenbeg. Derry will have to make some tactical adjustments from the last game if they are to win this. It might suit them that they will likely go in as underdogs and will have a score to settle with Down. Definitely the pick of the qualifier matches.
bookies have it 6/5 Derry, 5/6 Down,
yep i cant see there being more than 6,000 at it. Id say a lot of Down people will be in 2 minds of travelling to Derry again. if its on TV it will make up a lot of peoples minds.
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Quote from: thewobbler on July 01, 2013, 10:36:27 AM
If I've read the qualifier rules right, the first team drawn out gets home advantage.
I know most of the comments are in hope rather than expectation, but can anyone explain why they think Derry would even consider giving up this advantage? It's not like they're going to sell out any venue this is taken to.
Cause there are a lot of South Derry hoor bags in the county of Derry.
Mine was hope/laziness. + There'd be more (south) derry wans in casement than celtic park + hurling is sposed to be at a neutral venue + see my first reason.
Saturday 6th July. Celtic Park. 5pm
hurling replay is back in the Athletic grounds this sunday.
fancy derry to do the biz in this
hurling game should have been played beforehand
is eoin bradley fit ?
hopefully it will be on the box. save me the long trip from Dublin to derry and back twice in 5 weeks.
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Quote from: wherefromreferee? on July 01, 2013, 03:11:01 PM
Saturday 6th July. Celtic Park. 5pm
Think its at 7pm on Saturday, not 5pm according to 2FM news there now.
Ah FFS thats a clash with the Tipp KK hurling. no chance of it being on the box. Plus it means Down folk not getting home till gone 11pm and later if there is ET involved. Idiots in the association.
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/2/0107131527-qualifiers-fixture-details/ (http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/2/0107131527-qualifiers-fixture-details/)
QuoteThe times, dates and venues for the Round 2 All-Ireland Football Qualifiers and Phase 2 of the Hurling Championship have been confirmed by the GAA.
Saturday, July 6
GAA Football All-Ireland Senior Championship Round 2
Galway v Waterford, Pearse Stadium, Salthill, 2.30pm
Clare v Laois, Cusack Park, Ennis, 5pm
Derry v Down, Celtic Park, 5pm
Roscommon v Tyrone, Dr Hyde Park, 6pm
GAA Hurling All-Ireland Senior Championship Phase 2
Clare v Laois, Cusack Park, Ennis, 3pm
Kilkenny v Tipperary, Nowlan Park, 7pm (Live on TV3)
Further information on ticketing for the Kilkenny-Tipperary Phase 2 Hurling Championship game to follow on GAA.ie.
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Quote from: wherefromreferee? on July 01, 2013, 03:11:01 PM
Saturday 6th July. Celtic Park. 5pm
Think its at 7pm on Saturday, not 5pm according to 2FM news there now.
Ah FFS thats a clash with the Tipp KK hurling. no chance of it being on the box. Plus it means Down folk not getting home till gone 11pm and later if there is ET involved. Idiots in the association.
Tyrone have to be in Roscommon for 6pm not home till 4am.
Smart fellas up there.
are you walking home orangeman game over 7.40 approx back in two and half hours anyway it would be better if the rossies conceded another complete mismatch on the cards learning nothing from playing these inferior teams
Thought Down would turn us over first day out but am more confident this time as we alot stronger especially on the bench and would expect to turn down over this time round
QuotePlus it means Down folk not getting home till gone 11pm and later if there is ET involved.
Sure it will be hardly dark at that stage!
Possibly Bennys last game for Down if we get beat. I think we will do enough to win though.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 01, 2013, 06:22:06 PM
Thought Down would turn us over first day out but am more confident this time as we alot stronger especially on the bench and would expect to turn down over this time round
I thought Down would turn us over the first day and I think they'll turn us over again on Saturday evening. I couldn't believe the number of unforced errors we made in Owenbeg. Down will punish those unlike Sligo.
Quote from: skeog on July 01, 2013, 06:01:50 PM
are you walking home orangeman game over 7.40 approx back in two and half hours anyway it would be better if the rossies conceded another complete mismatch on the cards learning nothing from playing these inferior teams
You'd want to watch your tongue because it's starting to drag against the floor and someone's bound to stand on it.
At best for Derry this is a 50-50 game.
We have more options than we did against Down the first time out but players returning from injury wont be fully match fit.
Plus the game against Sligo will have done nothing for us I think.
Down I think are also stronger than when they played us first. They were very good against Donegal and should have done better. Down favourites for this one I think but it should be a good game.
Whether Down put in a good performance last day out means nothing. I have been following Down long enough to take nothing for granted. I do believe though that we need to play the game as we did against donegal. If we get past Derry then we need to keep playing this system as it is the only system that will ensure we dont get a hiding if we are lucky enough to get to a quarter final.
Yes, a big decision for Down. Do they persist with the ultra defensive formation?
Unlikely given Eoin Bradley has to be an uncertain starter.
No injury news from the Down camp thank god. So we should be pretty much unchanged.
However I wonder will we see Benny sprung from the bench this time out. I think there could be a chance we see Johnston get a spot from the off in favour of either for Benny or Madine to help acheive greater dividend when running at Derry as we did more in the second half rather than looking for the long ball in.
any chance of this game being on tv
would be great for pints
this game then the hurling
It's a very difficult call over Benny, as he is a proven goal scorer who may be better used from the start for his physical strength and then replaced by younger and faster options as the space opens up in the final quarter. The problem is that he has not scored, or even had a wide, in his two championship games to date, and he got very little change out of McKaigue the last day. It could be that all he needs is a point to get his season up and running, so James is likely to give him the nod.
Not thread related but I thought Down posters would be interested:
Update on Shay McCartan:
http://www.accringtonstanley.co.uk/index.php/newsy/5448
Quote from: naka on July 02, 2013, 02:31:12 PM
any chance of this game being on tv
would be great for pints
this game then the hurling
I would imagine the only way it'll be on telly is if the beeb can entice rte to fork out for their coverage. The beeb have cameras at all the ulster based qualifiers, but are only broadcasting ulster championship games. In short they will have the footage, but not the will to broadcast it ( unless of course there's a bit of a scmozzle) ;)
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Quote from: naka on July 02, 2013, 02:31:12 PM
any chance of this game being on tv
would be great for pints
this game then the hurling
I would imagine the only way it'll be on telly is if the beeb can entice rte to fork out for their coverage. The beeb have cameras at all the ulster based qualifiers, but are only broadcasting ulster championship games. In short they will have the footage, but not the will to broadcast it ( unless of course there's a bit of a scmozzle) ;)
Aye I like that word
scmozzle can't remember where it came from, I heard my da talk about .... as Brian Mac has said there no cynical players on this Derry team to cause a scmozzle !!! Not the draw Derry young players needed at this stage in their development. Our half forward line lacks a 'cutting edge' and Down sussed out Lynn in the 2nd half last time and we will struggle to get scores. In prep for Div 1 next year it would be good to win this one but we can't be going with one man isolated up front, at least we should have learned that from last time. I'd say
another win for Down at Celtic Park looks on the cards
16 pages in and no one has noticed that the date for the original fixture is wrong.
Still think this will be another high scoring affair albeit not at the same level as the first game.
Quote from: All of a Sludden on July 03, 2013, 12:17:36 AM
16 pages in and no one has noticed that the date for the original fixture is wrong.
The thread was started on 9 Jan 2013. So understandable that yer man has referred to 2012.
I do it all the time in work in the first week of January :o
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Quote from: All of a Sludden on July 03, 2013, 12:17:36 AM
16 pages in and no one has noticed that the date for the original fixture is wrong.
The thread was started on 9 Jan 2013. So understandable that yer man has referred to 2012.
I do it all the time in work in the first week of January :o
Yer man has a name ye know!
Changed!
Quote from: Real Talk on July 02, 2013, 10:38:38 PM
Aye I like that word scmozzle can't remember where it came from, I heard my da talk about ....
I always thought Micheál O'Hehir invented it, but I checked the OED and no:
shemozzle n. (sl.) Rumpus, brawl; muddle. [f. Yiddish, after LHeb.
sel-ló'mazzál of no luck]
Quote from: theticklemister on July 03, 2013, 01:08:00 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on July 03, 2013, 12:35:09 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on July 03, 2013, 12:17:36 AM
16 pages in and no one has noticed that the date for the original fixture is wrong.
The thread was started on 9 Jan 2013. So understandable that yer man has referred to 2012.
I do it all the time in work in the first week of January :o
Yer man has a name ye know!
I didn't want to highlight the person making the mistake anymore than that Tickle ;)
QuoteChanged!
It is definitely not last year after the change...
Down team for Saturday
McVeigh;
McCartan, McArdle, Quinn;
Rooney, Turley, Boyle;
McKernan, King;
Rogers, Poland, Madine;
Lavery, Coulter, O'Hare.
Quote from: umpire on July 04, 2013, 08:37:23 PM
Down team for Saturday
McVeigh;
McCartan, McArdle, Quinn;
Rooney, Turley, Boyle;
McKernan, King;
Rogers, Poland, Madine;
Lavery, Coulter, O'Hare.
Same personnel for 3 matches in a row bodes well.
Usually I go to matches with about 15 of the extended family & friends but we are numbered only 5 for Saturday.
thats probably 5 more than my old club put together
Derry (v Down): Eoin McNicholl; Declan Brown, Chrissy McKaigue, Dermot McBride; Charlie Kielt, Mark Lynch (C), Sean Leo McGoldrick; Patsy Bradley, PJ McCloskey; Conor McAtamney, James Kielt, Enda Lynn; Ryan Bell, Eoin Bradley, Lee Kennedy.
Substitutes: Thomas Mallon, Aidan McAlynn, Brian McCallion, Carlus McWilliams, Kevin Johnston, Bliain Gormley, Ciaran McFaul, James Kearney, Emmett McGuckin, Aaron Devlin, Ryan Dougan.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 04, 2013, 11:13:47 PM
thats probably 5 more than my old club put together
I thought ye south derry boys dont miss a game :D
Quote from: theticklemister on July 05, 2013, 09:55:01 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 04, 2013, 11:13:47 PM
thats probably 5 more than my old club put together
I thought ye south derry boys dont miss a game :D
Only if it's in Owenbeg..
Quote from: theticklemister on July 05, 2013, 11:51:33 AM
Quote from: DennistheMenace on July 05, 2013, 10:38:50 AM
Quote from: theticklemister on July 05, 2013, 09:55:01 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 04, 2013, 11:13:47 PM
thats probably 5 more than my old club put together
I thought ye south derry boys dont miss a game :D
Only if it's in Owenbeg..
I heard there not many there last week!!
If your going to be a teacher you would need to improve that spelling son ;)
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 04, 2013, 11:13:47 PM
thats probably 5 more than my old club put together
I thought ye south derry boys dont miss a game :D
ah feck off to Maghera! you making the long road up the glenshane lad on sat? keep the board updated will ye. Good man
Only if it's in Owenbeg..
I heard there not many there last week!!
If your going to be a teacher you would need to improve that spelling son ;)
Is the game on telly, ive to work until 3pm tomorrow, ive no chance of making the game.
Quote from: ardtole on July 05, 2013, 01:09:20 PM
Is the game on telly, ive to work until 3pm tomorrow, ive no chance of making the game.
no. Get yer p45; this game is more important.
Quote from: theticklemister on July 05, 2013, 02:14:39 PM
Quote from: ardtole on July 05, 2013, 01:09:20 PM
Is the game on telly, ive to work until 3pm tomorrow, ive no chance of making the game.
no. Get yer p45; this game is more important.
Stall with the P45 - jobs aren't asy to come by nowadays!
Google maps says Newry to Derry City in 2 hours and 1 minute. You'll be in time to see the Down defence park the metaphorical bus if not the actual team bus...
You could probably do it in 2 hours.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 05, 2013, 02:51:08 PM
You could probably do it in 2 hours.
That's just crazy talk :P
Quote from: cornerback on July 05, 2013, 09:52:12 AM
Derry (v Down): Eoin McNicholl; Declan Brown, Chrissy McKaigue, Dermot McBride; Charlie Kielt, Mark Lynch (C), Sean Leo McGoldrick; Patsy Bradley, PJ McCloskey; Conor McAtamney, James Kielt, Enda Lynn; Ryan Bell, Eoin Bradley, Lee Kennedy.
Substitutes: Thomas Mallon, Aidan McAlynn, Brian McCallion, Carlus McWilliams, Kevin Johnston, Bliain Gormley, Ciaran McFaul, James Kearney, Emmett McGuckin, Aaron Devlin, Ryan Dougan.
Bell @ 13? Is the plan to use him as a third midfielder?
Or perhaps an attempt to counteract the double marking of Bradley?
hes cored 4 from play last week, i prefer to keep him close to goal myself, played corner forward b4
Any radio stations covering it?
Do destination newry still have the commentary on the games? I can't find anything on their website.
Quote from: southdown on July 06, 2013, 03:04:37 PM
Any radio stations covering it?
Radio ulster mw broadcasting it
Any links?
is this game not on anywhere?
BBC Radio Ulster always kick the GAA onto Medium wave even thought there is basicly nothing on FM.
"Give the Micks a good programme so that they cannot complain but for gods sake keep it away from the rest of the decent Ulster folk"
"Do not mention GAA in polite society! How is McIlroy and McDowell getting on ?
BBC Sport - BBC Radio Ulster have it snoopdog
would anyone have link for BBC ulster mW no reception in south
MW is fair enough for commentary, it doesn't need stereo.
except that you can't get it online, and it crackles like hell on your car radio, and other people have digital radios etc which don't pick up medium wave
Quote from: snoopdog on July 06, 2013, 05:18:02 PM
would anyone have link for BBC ulster mW no reception in south
got it cheers
snoop did you find the web link?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/23166188
cheers bcarrier. was starting to lose the head looking for it!
Thanks BCarrier, i didn't think they had it.
Clare- 0-6 Laois 0-2 (football)
Thanks
Derry looking good at moment.
Clare 0-6 Laois 1-7 Half Time
Surprised the BBC didn't show it live, after the previous game being a cracker
BBC can't show qualifiers. Contact.
I see, RTE could have shown it.
Try this link there may have been a problem with our original worldwide link -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/23166188
Man off for Down for retaliating it seems. Derry should be more than 3 ahead
Brendan McArdle sent off. Derry 0-11 Down 1-4, nothing for Down in second half.
well done Derry. Far better team, should have hammered Down today.
Where have all our super forwards gone. Very dissapointing day. Glad i didnt waste the day traveling from Dublin for that bollix. Where now for Down and James. Only 2 weeks ago we were praising them but in true Down fashion they let themselves down again. Well done Derry best of luck in the rest of the championship.
A very poor year for Down, maybe Donegal werent pushing themselves last day out. 1 point in second half and 1 point from play is a disgrace. Not much point shoring up the defence and not being able to score what are the mgt team at.
Yes!!!! ;D
Even with a man sent off very surprising for any team to score just 1 point in a half of football.
That must be some Derry defence.
Wee James very gracious in his interview. When's the draw? We'll likely get Tyrone :( . That said they were lucky against Roscommon.
Just home. Derry defence utterly superb all day. Kept turning us over 30-40 yds out. When we drew level at half time we thought we were in with a chance as we had whatever breeze there was in the 2nd half....but it wasnt a factor as Derry were hungrier all over the field. A bad day for everyone in Red and Black today apart maybe from McVeigh who pulled off a wonder save in the 2nd half. One solitary point from Down in the 2nd half says it all. Fcuk but its frustrating watching this team >:(
I went to the Derry Sligo game last week and wasn't impressed by Derry at all yet they now find themselves a game away from an AI quarter final.
As for Down, the year has been a disaster, no two ways about it. Down arguably are now in a worse place than when James McCartan took them over. A freak AI final in his first year has been followed with mediocrity at best. Surely James will go?
Quote from: ck on July 06, 2013, 09:34:19 PM
I went to the Derry Sligo game last week and wasn't impressed by Derry at all yet they now find themselves a game away from an AI quarter final.
As for Down, the year has been a disaster, no two ways about it. Down arguably are now in a worse place than when James McCartan took them over. A freak AI final in his first year has been followed with mediocrity at best. Surely James will go?
It's 2 games they have to win to get to the quarter final
Quote from: glens73 on July 06, 2013, 09:41:22 PM
Quote from: ck on July 06, 2013, 09:34:19 PM
I went to the Derry Sligo game last week and wasn't impressed by Derry at all yet they now find themselves a game away from an AI quarter final.
As for Down, the year has been a disaster, no two ways about it. Down arguably are now in a worse place than when James McCartan took them over. A freak AI final in his first year has been followed with mediocrity at best. Surely James will go?
It's 2 games they have to win to get to the quarter final
yep, 8 qualifier winners now meet, with 4 winners to play beaten provincial loser. then its the 1/4's
CK , apart from not understanding the qualifiers, your awareness of what James has brought to Down is also very limited. Today Derry were sound defensively and we couldn't penetrate; our leaders were well shackled and their leaders dictated the game, particularly Mc Closkey, Bradley and Bell. Mc Iver and Tally will have dissected the last game and spotted how to totally block our progress beyond the 45m line so good luck to them in the next round. I thought our defence did reasonably well- while we missed Rooney's surging runs, Costello had a sound 70 minutes. Dan Mc Cartan was, as ever, tenacious and brave, Ambrose never gave up and Donal O'Hare is the real deal. James got 3 good years in Division 1 out of a limited squad,AI and Ulster finals and a league semi-final so he has earned the right to decide when he goes. It was a sad sight to see Benny make for the dressing rooms at the final whistle; he thought about it and then went to congratulate the Derry boys and lift his own team-mates. I hope he thinks about whether to hang them up or not; what a footballer and superb commitment from the man. My only other thought on today is that we shouldn't have had to go back there in the first place- championship is all about death or glory and it was always going to be a big ask to lift the team a second time at the same venue; remember we are the only team to have won there this year so I think the old rule about not meetings someone a second time in the qualifiers should be restored. Still proud of the lads and still confident in the management.
Quote from: Whitnail on July 06, 2013, 07:12:55 PM
Even with a man sent off very surprising for any team to score just 1 point in a half of football.
That must be some Derry defence.
Let's not put a tooth in this.
One point in the second half - and that from a free. One point from play in 70 minutes.
When is the last time the great Benny Coulter raised a green flag for Down?
This is a Down team that has betrayed all that is good about Down football and its reputation for forward play. This has been coming for a couple of years now and it is an abomination, utterly unwatchable and at the same time abysmally failing to get results.
The game should be about putting your best foot forward, play to your strengths - how these "scientists" of the game have dragged us all into utterly negative mediocrity is appalling.
Down football has sold its soul to this science and we are the poorer for it - and still OUT of the championship with barley a whimper.
Meanwhile our much vaunted forwards are toiling in the dark depths of our own "blanket-cum-sweeper" system that is the football equivalent of a snuff movie.
Good luck to Derry but their journey will also be short I fear.
My only other thought on today is that we shouldn't have had to go back there in the first place- championship is all about death or glory and it was always going to be a big ask to lift the team a second time at the same venue; remember we are the only team to have won there this year
Well said Dd-on a disappointing night for Down football-how can anyone fault a team playing their third game(Div.2 champions twice+All ire champs) away from home .
In contrast you only have to look at Kerry's Munster run:
home to Tipp q/f
home to Waterford s/f
home to Cork final
Anyway,well done Derry (at home...again)and good luck to Benny Coulter-without doubt Downs best servant for years !
We could have no complaints about the result, which probably might have been even more decisive, but having to go back to Celtic Park after winning there barely a month ago made a farce of the competition. Derry are a fine side, and, with their coaches already knowing all about our set-up, they were always going to learn from their mistakes the last day.
Down had a choice between the attacking approach of the last Derry game and the blanket style against Donegal. We went for the latter, and it simply did not work today. It might have made sense if we had been in front in the second half, but we found ourselves chasing a game with 14 men in our own half.
However, in the long term, it is still probably the only way to go. James will hopefully stay, and we can rebuild in the second division next year. Whether Benny is there remains to be seen, and a couple of others may also consider their options, but the likes of Gordon and Garvey are due some decent luck with injuries and McComiskey and O'Hagan should both be back.
It was a deeply frustrating match, as the goal looked to have put us in a strong position playing with the wind after the break, but we were far too tentative in the third quarter and allowed ourselves to get distracted by a series of dodgy refereeing decisions. By the end, our discipline and shape had completely gone and it was not a pretty sight.
McVeigh made another brilliant save from Bradley, and his kick-outs were initially good but largely disintegated as we were wiped out at midfield. McCartan made a couple of brilliant interventions but was among a number of defenders who watched Lynn get four from play. Costello did nothing wrong, and saw his immediate opponent replaced, but may not offer as much as Rooney going forward.
McArdle was considerably improved from the last Derry game and paid a heavy price for retaliating when he was grabbed by the neck as he tried to retrieve the ball for a free in front of the posts. A yellow might have been sufficient, given that Derry got six cards for hauling players down as soon as they got into space, and the free would have brought us back to a two point margin. They won the hop ball, got a point almost immediately and were never going to throw away a four point lead with the extra man.
Quinn was reasonable in the first half but a pretty dreadful shot hit his confidence and he might have been replaced earlier. While Boyle pushes up with great pace, and can be very satisfied with his first season, he would be a much more effective player if he could take a score. Turley was our best defender and one of the most improved figures in the squad overall.
McKernan worked hard without ever making the impact of the last day and it was a pity that he finished an excellent season by foolishly throwing a late punch and inevitably seeing red. King kept his composure throughout, even though Derry targeted his pace, and was very effective defensively while also managing to help set up our goal.
Ambrose had some brilliant moments, and kicked a fine point, but faded towards the end. Poland never really got going in the face of persistent fouling and a couple of his shots were disappointing efforts. Laverty repeatedly got on the ball without really hurting Derry, although the ref did him no favours.
Johnston buzzed around in flashes, but may be better coming off the bench, while Madine won nearly every ball aimed at him but was ultimately swallowed up by a very well organised defence. O'Hare is starting to look like our only reliable scoring forward, tucking away his goal with a touch of class, but we are in trouble if he does not manage two or three from play.
Of the subs, Mallon, like Boyle, has had an impressive debut season, but did not really make an impact when he came on. Throwing in Hughes was a gamble which did not work, while Savage and Damien Turley only made very late appearances.
To finish with Benny, he has been a wonderful servant and and deserves a decent break. The pace is clearly going, although he might still have a role to play dropping deep and winning the ball for others, and it would be great if he gives us at least one more year.
Quote from: Dubh driocht on July 06, 2013, 10:28:18 PM
CK , apart from not understanding the qualifiers, your awareness of what James has brought to Down is also very limited. Today Derry were sound defensively and we couldn't penetrate; our leaders were well shackled and their leaders dictated the game, particularly Mc Closkey, Bradley and Bell. Mc Iver and Tally will have dissected the last game and spotted how to totally block our progress beyond the 45m line so good luck to them in the next round. I thought our defence did reasonably well- while we missed Rooney's surging runs, Costello had a sound 70 minutes. Dan Mc Cartan was, as ever, tenacious and brave, Ambrose never gave up and Donal O'Hare is the real deal. James got 3 good years in Division 1 out of a limited squad,AI and Ulster finals and a league semi-final so he has earned the right to decide when he goes. It was a sad sight to see Benny make for the dressing rooms at the final whistle; he thought about it and then went to congratulate the Derry boys and lift his own team-mates. I hope he thinks about whether to hang them up or not; what a footballer and superb commitment from the man. My only other thought on today is that we shouldn't have had to go back there in the first place- championship is all about death or glory and it was always going to be a big ask to lift the team a second time at the same venue; remember we are the only team to have won there this year so I think the old rule about not meetings someone a second time in the qualifiers should be restored. Still proud of the lads and still confident in the management.
Agree, I probably have no idea what James McCartan has brought to Down but the hard facts don't lie. He has won nothing, he got relegated and after 4 years he arguably has made little or no notable progress. Also he changed his back room team 3 times in those four years, and was unable to hold onto a host of players who headed off to Aus and USA. Despite this I believe Down always have enough top players to be competitive so please spare me the nonsense that he was working with a limited squad.
McCartan clearly has support up in the Mournes and that's the people he answers to so good luck to him if he stays on.
Down are so focused on stopping others score that they find scoring difficult themselves.
To see one of Down's grestest and finest forwards being asked to be a part of this Down blanket is a sad indictment of our game.
There's no room for Benny anymore. As someone said a little earlier, Benny might win a bit of ball coming deep.
If that's all Benny has to offer he'd be better playing with the Bridge for whatever time he has left and not being a dove to the "system".
He deserves better than to go out the way it panned out for him this year - a class act who has given memories that will forever remain firmly etched in my mind.
It might sound like sour grapes. But Down shouldn't have had to travel to Celtic Park tonight again. The system is wrong.
Fair play to Brian Mc Iver - he's top class.
McIver let himself down along the line this evening. No call for it. Serious verbal abuse of the ref. I was about 20 yards from it and if our manager did what he did in a league game in Down he would be crucified.
5 Sams, the problem is that McIver's conduct worked. He confronted the referee at the break, without any censure, and then saw his team get every close call in the second half. The best team won on the day, without doubt, but it is ridiculous that managers can get away with this kind of intimidation. If McIver had been sent to the stand at half time, it might have demonstrated that the abuse of referees will not be accepted. The GAA is storing up trouble for itself.
Quote from: MK on July 06, 2013, 11:08:25 PM
My only other thought on today is that we shouldn't have had to go back there in the first place- championship is all about death or glory and it was always going to be a big ask to lift the team a second time at the same venue; remember we are the only team to have won there this year
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I agree completely. That Down had to play Derry at Celtic Park twice in three championship games makes a mockery of the current system. The frustrating thing is that there is nothing complex about solving it: last year we were drawn to play Donegal in the All-Ireland quarter-final, but since we had already played them we were put back into the bowl. Why can this not be done for the qualifiers? Derry deserved their win today, but I bet they couldn't believe their luck when they were offered a second bite of the cherry last Monday.
In terms of the system we played today and against Donegal, it's horrible to watch. We are reduced to dependence on Donal O'Hare's accuracy from frees. Most of the match is spent passing the ball around the half-back line unchallenged. But in the modern game there is no other way, we tried to play attacking football against Donegal last year and were mauled. It is taking gaelic football in a bad direction, but we have a choice between being idealistic and being competitive.
As far as this year is concerned, our best players in my opinion have been Kevin McKernan and Peter Turley. Donal O'Hare has come into his own and Niall Madine looks a super prospect. The most depressing aspect has been our routine second-half collapses, I would guess there have been a serious number of matches in McKenna Cup, league and championship where we've scored less than four points after half time.
Quote from: Mourne Rover on July 07, 2013, 01:10:09 AM
5 Sams, the problem is that McIver's conduct worked. He confronted the referee at the break, without any censure, and then saw his team get every close call in the second half. The best team won on the day, without doubt, but it is ridiculous that managers can get away with this kind of intimidation. If McIver had been sent to the stand at half time, it might have demonstrated that the abuse of referees will not be accepted. The GAA is storing up trouble for itself.
+1 A few parents beside me were really annoyed about it.....continuous serious verbal abuse....I can swear like anyone else but this was sustained and nasty.
Quote+1 A few parents beside me were really annoyed about it.....continuous serious verbal abuse...
Smartphone + Youtube = action taken.
Crazy situation for teams that have met so recently to have to face each other again, with the same home advantage applying, where not even obliquely lateral thinking would be required to correct such a nonsensical situation. Sometimes the GAA appear to go out of their way to be totally inept, with no perceivable effort being remotely required.
Would have to agree that two teams who have met in the provincial championship shouldn't meet again in the qualifiers, plenty of names in the hat to prevent that from happening
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 07, 2013, 01:39:19 AM
Crazy situation for teams that have met so recently to have to face each other again, with the same home advantage applying, where not even obliquely lateral thinking would be required to correct such a nonsensical situation. Sometimes the GAA appear to go out of their way to be totally inept, with no perceivable effort being remotely required.
+1
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 07, 2013, 12:55:36 AM
McIver let himself down along the line this evening. No call for it. Serious verbal abuse of the ref. I was about 20 yards from it and if our manager did what he did in a league game in Down he would be crucified.
Brian had every right to give this excuse for a referee verbals, for the first 2 free's Down were awarded were farcical and this incompetency continued through the first half.
I'm by no means defending his language, but any other manager would have had the same things to say.
The referee gave Down everything in the first half, and although Derry were certainly very fortunate not to concede a few free's in the second half, his inadequate performance was certainly not a factor in Downs defeat.
I agree Down should never have had to meet us again this early but it wasn't exactly a great draw for us either. Over the 2 games I think we were overall better team but home advantage does count for a lot. There isn't much between Derry and Down but we had key players coming back for this game and it really showed. No reason why Derry can't make a 1/4 final with a decent draw.
Madness for some here to say that James has taken Down backwards. Over the last 4 years he has taken them to Div 1 and made them very competitive. I read a statistic before the Donegal game that during his reign Down have played more Championship games than any other team in Ulster.
This year has been the earliest Down have went out of the championship since Aughrim. I hope James stays on. He is obviously a very astute manager who is learning all the time and he is the man to bring the new breed of young talent through to senior county level. I don't see any others within Down at the moment who could offer the same.
Quote from: DennistheMenace on July 07, 2013, 11:32:53 AM
I agree Down should never have had to meet us again this early but it wasn't exactly a great draw for us either...
It makes a mockery of the competition at this stage -- as it currently stands yourselves and Down have won one each, except that you had home advantage (however non-advantageous that might actually be) on both occasions.
Armagh won on aggregate against Tyrone in 2005, will the Tyrone posters here accept that Armagh should be given the all Ireland?
There should have been 10pts in that game last nite, E Bradley missed a sitter plus we had 2 chances on the edge of the square end up in the midfielder hands. Down make alot of how bad the Derry midfield were the last day, reality is one guy was 19 and the other barely fit. last Nite P bradley was back to full fitness and PJ Destroyed Down in the air. had Bradley scored the goal at the end of the first half the last day, Derry won have won the game, i still was very unhappy Derry lost the game been 5pts up 5mins into the 2nd half the last day.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 07, 2013, 03:11:15 PM
There should have been 10pts in that game last nite, E Bradley missed a sitter plus we had 2 chances on the edge of the square end up in the midfielder hands. Down make alot of how bad the Derry midfield were the last day, reality is one guy was 19 and the other barely fit. last Nite P bradley was back to full fitness and PJ Destroyed Down in the air. had Bradley scored the goal at the end of the first half the last day, Derry won have won the game, i still was very unhappy Derry lost the game been 5pts up 5mins into the 2nd half the last day.
The worst thing Derry fans could do would be to get carried away with the result of the game last night. I hope they go far in the qualifiers, but I'm sure most will appreciate that circumstances were stacked significantly in their favour yesterday. That's not to say they didn't deserve to win - of course they did - but I wouldn't exactly use Down yesterday as a yardstick to measure Derry's strength.
Quote from: Minus15 on July 07, 2013, 11:35:36 AM
Madness for some here to say that James has taken Down backwards. Over the last 4 years he has taken them to Div 1 and made them very competitive. I read a statistic before the Donegal game that during his reign Down have played more Championship games than any other team in Ulster.
This year has been the earliest Down have went out of the championship since Aughrim. I hope James stays on. He is obviously a very astute manager who is learning all the time and he is the man to bring the new breed of young talent through to senior county level. I don't see any others within Down at the moment who could offer the same.
No, but he's overstayed his welcome (as has Counihan in Cork) & they are hindering further development because of their longevity & same voice syndrome.
Quote from: Student Dissertation on July 07, 2013, 11:07:43 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 07, 2013, 12:55:36 AM
McIver let himself down along the line this evening. No call for it. Serious verbal abuse of the ref. I was about 20 yards from it and if our manager did what he did in a league game in Down he would be crucified.
Brian had every right to give this excuse for a referee verbals, for the first 2 free's Down were awarded were farcical and this incompetency continued through the first half.
I'm by no means defending his language, but any other manager would have had the same things to say.
The referee gave Down everything in the first half, and although Derry were certainly very fortunate not to concede a few free's in the second half, his inadequate performance was certainly not a factor in Downs defeat.
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In the first half Derry couldnt buy a free yet on the other hand Down seemed to be getting them if there was a sniff of a tackle near them. Derry were getting players booked left right and centre for seemingly innocuous challenges whereas Down were getting away with similar if not worse challenges. McIver was understandably livid, as were the majority of Derry supporters.
The 2nd half he was a bit more consistent and the fact that Down finished with 13 players and still had the majority of their scores from frees is indicative of how the referee managed that game between the 2 halves.
IMO, if anything we would have won by more had the referee been consistent in his decision making.
To the game itself, I do feel for Down having to play us again at home. But I can say, that no-one in Derry was expecting anything but a Down win here. I didnt seem home advantage as a big deal as we haven't exactly been unbeatable in Celtic Park in recent years. The difference between Derry this day and the last was that we had practically our full first choice 15 playing with the return of PJ McCloskey, Sean Leo McGoldrick, Dermot McBride and the return to fitness of Patsy Bradley. We were really only missing Gerard O'Kane and a fully fit Eoin Bradley. It gave us more options from the bench and made our starting 15 a lot stronger than the first game against Down. Fact is, when we were winning midfield the first day against Down we were on top. For this replay we won midfield for practically the entire game and as a result were on top for the entire game. Derry fully deserved the win this time around.
Realistically though, we are no world beaters. We just beat a team who got relegated from Div 1 and who nearly shocked a good team. That's nothing to get overly excited about. However, there are marked signs of improvement for this Derry side, and whilst we're not a top 6 side we have shown now that we can play that defensive style of football and win a dogfight. The players have shown some determination and we have unearthed some fine young talent. But talk of quarter finals is a bit premature as we could have a tough draw next time out and that could be season over. No matter, we seem to be moving in the right direction.
The draw could be craic. Whats the chances we get Tyrone?
G Brick every derry person i chatted with during the week plus my friends going to the game all thought Derry would win so it wasnt a surprise. It is sore on Down to be beaten by a team they had just played a month ago, Just ask cork beaten by Kerry in the final after beating them earlier in the yr or Galway and kilkenny in the hurling last year
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 07, 2013, 07:58:42 PM
G Brick every derry person i chatted with during the week plus my friends going to the game all thought Derry would win so it wasnt a surprise. It is sore on Down to be beaten by a team they had just played a month ago, Just ask cork beaten by Kerry in the final after beating them earlier in the yr or Galway and kilkenny in the hurling last year
It's not meeting Derry again that has aggrieved Down fans. If we were knocked out by them later in the year I'd have no complaints. It's the fact that we were drawn to play them in an away tie a month after beating them in an away tie. As far as the match itself is concerned, Derry were by far the better side on the day and deserved to win.
The Premier Football Championship in the country always has been a total unfair set-up ( due mainly to the inequality of numbers and insular mind sets of the Provincial Councils ) now it is even worse with the addition of an even more 'unfair' back door system (as epitomised by the Derry, Down, Fermanagh and Cavan draws). While on the Hurling front Galway and Antrim are allowed to play in Leinster much to the detriment of an already poor Ulster Hurling Championship.
So whats the answer (a) an Open draw with London and New York playing in a preliminary round to give 32 teams and the rest is straight forward or create 4 provinces numerically equal (give them new names) and forget about the back door
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 07, 2013, 07:58:42 PM
G Brick every derry person i chatted with during the week plus my friends going to the game all thought Derry would win so it wasnt a surprise. It is sore on Down to be beaten by a team they had just played a month ago, Just ask cork beaten by Kerry in the final after beating them earlier in the yr or Galway and kilkenny in the hurling last year
It's not meeting Derry again that has aggrieved Down fans. If we were knocked out by them later in the year I'd have no complaints. It's the fact that we were drawn to play them in an away tie a month after beating them in an away tie. As far as the match itself is concerned, Derry were by far the better side on the day and deserved to win.
Agree, whatever about meeting again. Down shouldn't have had to travel up to Derry for the second time.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 07, 2013, 07:58:42 PM
G Brick every derry person i chatted with during the week plus my friends going to the game all thought Derry would win so it wasnt a surprise. It is sore on Down to be beaten by a team they had just played a month ago, Just ask cork beaten by Kerry in the final after beating them earlier in the yr or Galway and kilkenny in the hurling last year
It's not meeting Derry again that has aggrieved Down fans. If we were knocked out by them later in the year I'd have no complaints. It's the fact that we were drawn to play them in an away tie a month after beating them in an away tie. As far as the match itself is concerned, Derry were by far the better side on the day and deserved to win.
Agree, whatever about meeting again. Down shouldn't have had to travel up to Derry for the second time.
As Drici has said (probably) "Fcuk the huer bags."
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 07, 2013, 07:58:42 PM
G Brick every derry person i chatted with during the week plus my friends going to the game all thought Derry would win so it wasnt a surprise. It is sore on Down to be beaten by a team they had just played a month ago, Just ask cork beaten by Kerry in the final after beating them earlier in the yr or Galway and kilkenny in the hurling last year
It's not meeting Derry again that has aggrieved Down fans. If we were knocked out by them later in the year I'd have no complaints. It's the fact that we were drawn to play them in an away tie a month after beating them in an away tie. As far as the match itself is concerned, Derry were by far the better side on the day and deserved to win.
Agree, whatever about meeting again. Down shouldn't have had to travel up to Derry for the second time.
As Drici has said (probably) "Fcuk the huer bags."
Tickle you would be moaning I'd imagine if Derry had to travel down to Down twice.
Ye deserved the win by all accounts,
Cavan have Fermanagh again, thank fook it's not back in Brewster.
Would a sensible option not be to allow the team who played 'away' in the provincial championship to have home advantage if they are paired again in the back door.
Sensible option would be to not allow the same draw again.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 07, 2013, 07:58:42 PM
G Brick every derry person i chatted with during the week plus my friends going to the game all thought Derry would win so it wasnt a surprise. It is sore on Down to be beaten by a team they had just played a month ago, Just ask cork beaten by Kerry in the final after beating them earlier in the yr or Galway and kilkenny in the hurling last year
It's not meeting Derry again that has aggrieved Down fans. If we were knocked out by them later in the year I'd have no complaints. It's the fact that we were drawn to play them in an away tie a month after beating them in an away tie. As far as the match itself is concerned, Derry were by far the better side on the day and deserved to win.
Agree, whatever about meeting again. Down shouldn't have had to travel up to Derry for the second time.
Derry had to travel up to Derry again ffs ! I blame Celtic Pk :-)
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 07, 2013, 07:58:42 PM
G Brick every derry person i chatted with during the week plus my friends going to the game all thought Derry would win so it wasnt a surprise. It is sore on Down to be beaten by a team they had just played a month ago, Just ask cork beaten by Kerry in the final after beating them earlier in the yr or Galway and kilkenny in the hurling last year
It's not meeting Derry again that has aggrieved Down fans. If we were knocked out by them later in the year I'd have no complaints. It's the fact that we were drawn to play them in an away tie a month after beating them in an away tie. As far as the match itself is concerned, Derry were by far the better side on the day and deserved to win.
Agree, whatever about meeting again. Down shouldn't have had to travel up to Derry for the second time.
Derry had to travel up to Derry again ffs ! I blame Celtic Pk :-)
Haha good wan!
Quote from: Real Talk on July 09, 2013, 10:20:01 PM
The Premier Football Championship in the country always has been a total unfair set-up ( due mainly to the inequality of numbers and insular mind sets of the Provincial Councils ) now it is even worse with the addition of an even more 'unfair' back door system (as epitomised by the Derry, Down, Fermanagh and Cavan draws). While on the Hurling front Galway and Antrim are allowed to play in Leinster much to the detriment of an already poor Ulster Hurling Championship.
So whats the answer (a) an Open draw with London and New York playing in a preliminary round to give 32 teams and the rest is straight forward or create 4 provinces numerically equal (give them new names) and forget about the back door
I hate the idea of losing the provincial championships but increasingly the idea of a totally unified All-Ireland series is the sensible option. So I would propose that the provincial championships and the All-Ireland championship be separated. We play the provincial series off in the space of six weeks as a sort of pre-championship competition. It gives teams a prize to play for and a chance to sharpen up for the real championship.
Then we could use the Champion's League format that is becoming so popular. We use the final placings in the provincial championships to dictate a seeding system and then divide the country into 8 groups of four teams. The teams all play each other twice playing every week. After six games (six weeks) we move to a fortnightly knock out phase. until the final is over.
May to June: Provincial championship every two weeks (quarter/semi/final) - Traditional knock out taking 6 weeks
July to mid-August: Six weeks of champion's league style football
mid-August to final knock out every two weeks until final on 3rd Sunday (the two-week gap allows for replays)
In this system every team plays at least 7 times which is enough reward for the dedication to training. The provincial championships are preserved but only count to seeding. The playing every week in the group phase is no problem, ask any county footballer they would far rather play than train, and if they aren't playing then they ARE training.
Quote from: PAULD123 on July 10, 2013, 01:58:39 PM
Quote from: Real Talk on July 09, 2013, 10:20:01 PM
The Premier Football Championship in the country always has been a total unfair set-up ( due mainly to the inequality of numbers and insular mind sets of the Provincial Councils ) now it is even worse with the addition of an even more 'unfair' back door system (as epitomised by the Derry, Down, Fermanagh and Cavan draws). While on the Hurling front Galway and Antrim are allowed to play in Leinster much to the detriment of an already poor Ulster Hurling Championship.
So whats the answer (a) an Open draw with London and New York playing in a preliminary round to give 32 teams and the rest is straight forward or create 4 provinces numerically equal (give them new names) and forget about the back door
I hate the idea of losing the provincial championships but increasingly the idea of a totally unified All-Ireland series is the sensible option. So I would propose that the provincial championships and the All-Ireland championship be separated. We play the provincial series off in the space of six weeks as a sort of pre-championship competition. It gives teams a prize to play for and a chance to sharpen up for the real championship.
Then we could use the Champion's League format that is becoming so popular. We use the final placings in the provincial championships to dictate a seeding system and then divide the country into 8 groups of four teams. The teams all play each other twice playing every week. After six games (six weeks) we move to a fortnightly knock out phase. until the final is over.
May to June: Provincial championship every two weeks (quarter/semi/final) - Traditional knock out taking 6 weeks
July to mid-August: Six weeks of champion's league style football
mid-August to final knock out every two weeks until final on 3rd Sunday (the two-week gap allows for replays)
In this system every team plays at least 7 times which is enough reward for the dedication to training. The provincial championships are preserved but only count to seeding. The playing every week in the group phase is no problem, ask any county footballer they would far rather play than train, and if they aren't playing then they ARE training.
Seems like a fair system but I think it would 'kill off' the current league set up, unless the League could be re-structured to have less travelling and plan it on a more equitable regional basis . County Boards probably want to reduce the players expenses which takes a lot of money. Maybe you are suggesting no County football until May ???