Nice to be raising this topic 8)
Saturday week we'll have :
Ros v Cavan/Tyrone
Dublin v Cork/Kerry.
A Ros/Cavan game would be a cert for Pearse Park while if it's Tyrone no doubt they will try and drag us to Breffni. Hopefully we'll fight for a neutral Leinster Venue.
Dublin v Cork will be Portlaoise while a Dub/Kerry tie likely to go to Limerick as Kerry never seem to be made travel outside their own Province for non Senior All Irl games.
Be it minor,club or senior level we have a poor recent record in Pearse park i would prefer somewhere like Tullamore. The last four will have a stronger look than it had the last time we reached it (two years ago)
Ah cmon, it'd be stupid to have a Ros-Cav/Ty game anywhere in Leonster but Pearse Park. A few losses a different grades doesn't create a 'record', it's totally different opposition and Pearse Park is no different than any other county ground besides being one of the best designed county grounds in the country
Results
Cavan 1-10 Tyrone 0-10
Cork 2-12 Kerry 1-14
So it's Ros v Cavan and Dublin v Cork.
The new big 4 ? ;D
Kerry improved from last years heavy defeat to Cork, sounded like good game tonight. Looking forward to our meeting with Cavan we had some good battles in the hasting cup & the rossies are due a win over Cavan.
Should be a fantastic occasion in Pearse Park. The winners will be underdogs in the final but I can see either upsetting the odds in the final. Some very good games to round off this year's u21 championship.
Has the venues been chosen for the semi finals?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 11, 2012, 11:01:13 PM
Has the venues been chosen for the semi finals?
Only place the Ros/Cavan game can be is Pearse Park. The only thing that'd change that would be if the GAA decided on a double header in somewhere like Tullamore.
Quote from: Syferus on April 11, 2012, 11:04:39 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 11, 2012, 11:01:13 PM
Has the venues been chosen for the semi finals?
Only place the Ros/Cavan game can be is Pearse Park. The only thing that'd change that would be if the GAA decided on a double header in somewhere like Tullamore.
Loads of places available in Ulster to play it.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 11, 2012, 11:13:11 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 11, 2012, 11:04:39 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 11, 2012, 11:01:13 PM
Has the venues been chosen for the semi finals?
Only place the Ros/Cavan game can be is Pearse Park. The only thing that'd change that would be if the GAA decided on a double header in somewhere like Tullamore.
Loads of places available in Ulster to play it.
Nice try. :-X
Love the pace of the u21 tournament, it's only a week and a half to the the semi and only three weeks since we beat Mayo in the Connacht semi.
How about playing Roscommon v Cavan in Paric Sean Mac Diarmada,Carrick-On-Shannon half way point for both & a good compact pitch to play your football on.
Quote from: ross4life on April 11, 2012, 11:33:53 PM
How about playing Roscommon v Cavan in Paric Sean Mac Diarmada,Carrick-On-Shannon half way point for both & a good compact pitch to play your football on.
Half way point from where? Longford is actually
between the two counties. Carrick is nearby for me so I'm not bothered, but Longford suits alot more.
Where does sense come into these things?
We played Galway there in the semi final in 1988!
Quote from: Syferus on April 12, 2012, 12:00:11 AM
Quote from: ross4life on April 11, 2012, 11:33:53 PM
How about playing Roscommon v Cavan in Paric Sean Mac Diarmada,Carrick-On-Shannon half way point for both & a good compact pitch to play your football on.
Half way point from where? Longford is actually between the two counties. Carrick is nearby for me so I'm not bothered, but Longford suits alot more.
So is Leitrim here's a nice colourful map to illustrate.
(http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/maps/island_1998.gif)
Quote from: ross4life on April 12, 2012, 12:20:20 AM
Quote from: Syferus on April 12, 2012, 12:00:11 AM
Quote from: ross4life on April 11, 2012, 11:33:53 PM
How about playing Roscommon v Cavan in Paric Sean Mac Diarmada,Carrick-On-Shannon half way point for both & a good compact pitch to play your football on.
Half way point from where? Longford is actually between the two counties. Carrick is nearby for me so I'm not bothered, but Longford suits alot more.
So is Leitrim here's a nice colourful map to illustrate.
(http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/maps/island_1998.gif)
The tips of both counties intersect Leitrim, the bulk of the hearts of both counties are almost parallel with Longford. Carrick is also, err, in Roscommon. Don't tell the Cavan folk, with everyone using sat navs they'll never realise it until it's too late.
I feel like I'm back in geography class. And Galway was half way to the moon that year anyway, so that map is not factually correct.
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Carrick is also, err, in Roscommon. Don't tell the Cavan folk, with everyone using sat navs they'll never realise it until it's too late.
I feel like I'm back in geography class. And Galway was half way to the moon that year anyway, so that map is not factually correct.
Yes some of Carrick is but not the pitch. Don't know about Galway, Dublin certainly felt half way to the moon.
Anyways you have you mind set for Longford. Gaa might set a double header elsewhere.
Cadburys U-21 All-Ireland Semi final. Cavan V Roscommon Saturday 21st Longford at 4pm.
Quote from: Celt_Man on April 15, 2012, 07:19:11 PM
Cadburys U-21 All-Ireland Semi final. Cavan V Roscommon Saturday 21st Longford at 4pm.
Source? And that means the other semi is on somewhere else, then?
Quote from: Syferus on April 15, 2012, 07:21:32 PM
Quote from: Celt_Man on April 15, 2012, 07:19:11 PM
Cadburys U-21 All-Ireland Semi final. Cavan V Roscommon Saturday 21st Longford at 4pm.
Source? And that means the other semi is on somewhere else, then?
Cavan GAA Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/CavanCoBoardGaa
TG4 at tosnú ag 1.30 i.n De Satharn.
Corcaigh v BAC ag 2 ansin?
So both games will be televised a bit of common sense for once. Would have liked a game under lights.
Dublin v Cork Portlaoise @2pm
Portlaoise would the place to be for a neutral.
Leinster champions Dublin play Cork in Portlaoise at 2pm with last year's beaten finalists, Cavan, taking on Roscommon in Glennon Brother's Pearse Park at 4pm.
Both games will be live on TG4.
The replayed Allianz HL Division 1A relegation playoff between Dublin and Galway is also on Saturday, with the game forming part of a double header in Portlaoise, with a 4pm throw in.
Will TG4 then show the Hurling instead of the Cavan game?
Pearse Park with 8,000 is big enough. There was only 11,000 at the Cork-Down game yesterday in Croker. Be no point playing the game in a bigger capacity ground when realistally 8,000 is the most that would probaly attend an U21 semi. A All Ireland final is different thats when you see the arm chair fans appear for a big day in Croke Park. If there was 5,500 at the u21 final last week with a lots of free seats from what i saw ,why would why there big be a sudden rise for the semi...\
Quote from: Westside on April 16, 2012, 01:05:28 PM
Will TG4 then show the Hurling instead of the Cavan game?
13:30 GAA Beo Roscommon v Cavan and Dublin v Cork (Throw-ins TBA). Micheal O Domhnaill presents coverage of the All-Ireland Under-21 Football Championship semi-finals. Commentary by Brian Tyers.
Hopefully they will stick to this.
Quote from: rodney trotter on April 16, 2012, 02:04:02 PM
Pearse Park with 8,000 is big enough. There was only 11,000 at the Cork-Down game yesterday in Croker. Be no point playing the game in a bigger capacity ground when realistally 8,000 is the most that would probaly attend an U21 semi. A All Ireland final is different thats when you see the arm chair fans appear for a big day in Croke Park. If there was 5,500 at the u21 final last week with a lots of free seats from what i saw ,why would why there big be a sudden rise for the semi...\
We will see on saturday but i think it could be tight enough.
Cavan will travel in big numbers and Ros have good support also.
TV might lessen the crowd. What's the deal if ET in Portlaoise do they delay the game in Longford?
Presumably Cavan wouldn't give the Rossies as much respect as they did to Galway last year. ::)
Quote from: seafoid on April 16, 2012, 06:14:14 PM
Presumably Cavan wouldn't give the Rossies as much respect as they did to Galway last year. ::)
Not many of that Cavan team left. Different game,different team,different mindset.
I believe the failing of this Cavan team will prove to be the same failing of last year's team (aside from our lack of midfield in the final). Lack of big scoring power. We got to Croker last year, the game opened up, Hehir, Cummins and Flynn stroked over points from 40 yards and Cavan tried and failed time and again to work the ball through to pick off scores. We have some good forwards but no proper classy ones.
Do the Cavan lads think Nevin O'Donnell will start again or if Paul O'Connor is fit will he regain his place?
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 16, 2012, 02:18:22 PM
Quote from: Westside on April 16, 2012, 01:05:28 PM
Will TG4 then show the Hurling instead of the Cavan game?
13:30 GAA Beo Roscommon v Cavan and Dublin v Cork (Throw-ins TBA). Micheal O Domhnaill presents coverage of the All-Ireland Under-21 Football Championship semi-finals. Commentary by Brian Tyers.
Hopefully they will stick to this.
They didn't :'(
U21 semi loses out to Dublin-Galway replay for live TV
17 April 2012
The Allianz HL Division 1A relegation playoff replay between Dublin and Galway will be live on TG4 this Saturday, with the Cadbury All-Ireland U21FC semi-final between Cavan and Roscommon now to be shown on the TG4 website.
Originally the two Cadbury All-Ireland U21FC semi-finals were to receive live television coverage, with Cork and Dublin throwing in at 2pm and the Cavan-Roscommon game getting underway at 4pm.
The hurling replay, which ended in a 0-26 to 2-20 draw after extra time last Sunday, also starts at 4pm and a decision has been made to give it preference for live television ahead of the second U21FC semi-final.
Those who wish to watch the Cavan-Roscommon game can get live match coverage on www.tg4.tv.
There will also be extended coverage of that game on TG4 at 5.35pm on Saturday as part of the GAA BEO programme.
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 17, 2012, 04:46:58 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 16, 2012, 02:18:22 PM
Quote from: Westside on April 16, 2012, 01:05:28 PM
Will TG4 then show the Hurling instead of the Cavan game?
13:30 GAA Beo Roscommon v Cavan and Dublin v Cork (Throw-ins TBA). Micheal O Domhnaill presents coverage of the All-Ireland Under-21 Football Championship semi-finals. Commentary by Brian Tyers.
Hopefully they will stick to this.
They didn't :'(
U21 semi loses out to Dublin-Galway replay for live TV
17 April 2012
The Allianz HL Division 1A relegation playoff replay between Dublin and Galway will be live on TG4 this Saturday, with the Cadbury All-Ireland U21FC semi-final between Cavan and Roscommon now to be shown on the TG4 website.
Originally the two Cadbury All-Ireland U21FC semi-finals were to receive live television coverage, with Cork and Dublin throwing in at 2pm and the Cavan-Roscommon game getting underway at 4pm.
The hurling replay, which ended in a 0-26 to 2-20 draw after extra time last Sunday, also starts at 4pm and a decision has been made to give it preference for live television ahead of the second U21FC semi-final.
Those who wish to watch the Cavan-Roscommon game can get live match coverage on www.tg4.tv.
There will also be extended coverage of that game on TG4 at 5.35pm on Saturday as part of the GAA BEO programme.
How can a hurling league relegation playoff be more important than All Ireland semi final?
TG4 like Galway.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 17, 2012, 04:51:21 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 17, 2012, 04:46:58 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 16, 2012, 02:18:22 PM
Quote from: Westside on April 16, 2012, 01:05:28 PM
Will TG4 then show the Hurling instead of the Cavan game?
13:30 GAA Beo Roscommon v Cavan and Dublin v Cork (Throw-ins TBA). Micheal O Domhnaill presents coverage of the All-Ireland Under-21 Football Championship semi-finals. Commentary by Brian Tyers.
Hopefully they will stick to this.
They didn't :'(
U21 semi loses out to Dublin-Galway replay for live TV
17 April 2012
The Allianz HL Division 1A relegation playoff replay between Dublin and Galway will be live on TG4 this Saturday, with the Cadbury All-Ireland U21FC semi-final between Cavan and Roscommon now to be shown on the TG4 website.
Originally the two Cadbury All-Ireland U21FC semi-finals were to receive live television coverage, with Cork and Dublin throwing in at 2pm and the Cavan-Roscommon game getting underway at 4pm.
The hurling replay, which ended in a 0-26 to 2-20 draw after extra time last Sunday, also starts at 4pm and a decision has been made to give it preference for live television ahead of the second U21FC semi-final.
Those who wish to watch the Cavan-Roscommon game can get live match coverage on www.tg4.tv.
There will also be extended coverage of that game on TG4 at 5.35pm on Saturday as part of the GAA BEO programme.
How can a hurling league relegation playoff be more important than All Ireland semi final?
One is senior and one is U-21. Not to mention and probably more importantly the second half of the hurling was meant to be shown live last Sunday but was kyboshed by extra-time in the football so they probably felt obliged to show the replay.
On here people give out when TG4 show hurling ahead of football and on An Fear Rua they give out when they show football ahead of hurling. End of the day TG4 only have one channel to broadcast on.
It boils down to the hurling containing Dublin and Galway. Better ratings. A far higher percentage of those who would tune in/record the Ros/Cavan game will be going to the game and both counties don't exactly have huge populations to begin with. It's annoying as a Roscommon supporter but this is a decision every TV station would make ten times out of ten.
It's a Galway based station would have been a tougher decision if it was Cavan vs Galway U-21 semi final.
Quote from: Syferus on April 17, 2012, 06:13:06 PM
It boils down to the hurling containing Dublin and Galway. Better ratings. A far higher percentage of those who would tune in. record the Ros/Cavan game will be going to the game and both counties don't exactly have huge populations to begin with. It's annoying as a Roscommon supporter but this is a decision every TV station would make ten times out of ten.
I would say the fact that Dublin are in the hurling is probably a bigger factor in their decision than Galway being in it. Even if they just get a smattering of casual Dublin fans tuning in it should attract a fairly big audience along with their U-21 footballers playing also.
Just disappointed as I won't make it to Longford. Not surprised with the decision just hate the fact that I'll have to listen to Tynan on Northern Sound or "Hairy Mary" on Shannonside. In fact it will probably a joint commentary. Damn.
If my memory serves me correctly TG4 showed the Donegal v Tipp U-21 semi final live instead of our semi v Dublin two years ago. If it was a hurling league final fair enough but relegation game? anyways doesn't matter to me as i'll be at the game in Longford.
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 17, 2012, 07:05:53 PM
Just disappointed as I won't make it to Longford. Not surprised with the decision just hate the fact that I'll have to listen to Tynan on Northern Sound or "Hairy Mary" on Shannonside. In fact it will probably a joint commentary. Damn.
Just watch the game on TG4 online.
Two big All Ireland semi finals on tomorrow & very little talk here.. Would have to fancy the Dubs to defeat Cork, apparently Cork's full back isn't their strongest while Ciarán Kilkenny & co will expose any weakness. Other semi is a real 50/50 but after defeating Armagh,Derry,Tyrone i think Cavan will be expecting to beat us but if we play like we did vs Mayo i'd fancy us to win.
Best of luck to Nigel Dineen & all the players.
Quote from: ross4life on April 20, 2012, 09:03:17 PM
Two big All Ireland semi finals on tomorrow & very little talk here.. Would have to fancy the Dubs to defeat Cork, apparently Cork's full back isn't their strongest while Ciarán Kilkenny & co will expose any weakness. Other semi is a real 50/50 but after defeating Armagh,Derry,Tyrone i think Cavan will be expecting to beat us but if we play like we did vs Mayo i'd fancy us to win.
Best of luck to Nigel Dineen & all the players.
Going to wedge the first half of Dublin-Cork on TG4 before I hit the road for Longford. Should be a great game tomorrow. Well, unless you're stuck on the terrace. Bring your best rain ponchos!
Quote from: Syferus on April 20, 2012, 09:17:04 PM
Quote from: ross4life on April 20, 2012, 09:03:17 PM
Two big All Ireland semi finals on tomorrow & very little talk here.. Would have to fancy the Dubs to defeat Cork, apparently Cork's full back isn't their strongest while Ciarán Kilkenny & co will expose any weakness. Other semi is a real 50/50 but after defeating Armagh,Derry,Tyrone i think Cavan will be expecting to beat us but if we play like we did vs Mayo i'd fancy us to win.
Best of luck to Nigel Dineen & all the players.
Going to wedge the first half of Dublin-Cork on TG4 before I hit the road for Longford. Should be a great game tomorrow. Well, unless you're stuck on the terrace. Bring your best rain ponchos!
Traffic on route is going to be bottleneck my target is to arrive in Longford at 3pm catch the 2nd half of Dublin v Cork in the bar & then onto Pearse park. Weather couldn't be much worse than the Leitrim,Mayo games last summer?
Best of luck to the Rossies tomorrow
It would be great if whoever wins this match can win the All Ireland.
SBB tipped Ros and Cork to win the semis on Seo Spoirt. Worrying for Rossies....
Quote from: ross4life on April 20, 2012, 09:29:49 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 20, 2012, 09:17:04 PM
Quote from: ross4life on April 20, 2012, 09:03:17 PM
Two big All Ireland semi finals on tomorrow & very little talk here.. Would have to fancy the Dubs to defeat Cork, apparently Cork's full back isn't their strongest while Ciarán Kilkenny & co will expose any weakness. Other semi is a real 50/50 but after defeating Armagh,Derry,Tyrone i think Cavan will be expecting to beat us but if we play like we did vs Mayo i'd fancy us to win.
Best of luck to Nigel Dineen & all the players.
Going to wedge the first half of Dublin-Cork on TG4 before I hit the road for Longford. Should be a great game tomorrow. Well, unless you're stuck on the terrace. Bring your best rain ponchos!
Traffic on route is going to be bottleneck my target is to arrive in Longford at 3pm catch the 2nd half of Dublin v Cork in the bar & then onto Pearse park. Weather couldn't be much worse than the Leitrim,Mayo games last summer?
What way are you coming at it from? We snuck in the Strokestown road easy enough even for the Brigids/Garrycastle semi, there's usually a re-route when there's big traffic expected to stop things slowing down. Never really encounter much traffic on the Ballagh-Strokestown route, maybe most use the Lanesborough road?
I doubt anything could top the Mayo game, hopefully at worst just a bit of rain or hail because it looks like being a great game.
Time to start preparing for the game.
Hopeful we can do the business but at underage grades there's never much previous to go on.
Hastings was a different scenario but would still indicate there's not a lot between them.
Once the lads leave everything they've got on the field ... if it's good enough to win - Great.
If not .. not a lot you can do about it.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 21, 2012, 11:30:11 AM
Time to start preparing for the game.
Hopeful we can do the business but at underage grades there's never much previous to go on.
Hastings was a different scenario but would still indicate there's not a lot between them.
Once the lads leave everything they've got on the field ... if it's good enough to win - Great.
If not .. not a lot you can do about it.
+1
Best of luck to the rossies. pity it's not being shown live on tg4, Will have to make do with online updates.
A friend of mine lives with one of the Roscommon Senior team and informs me that he has a rather sizable bet placed on Ros to win at 7/4.. What do they know in Roscommon that we don't?....
Looking good for the dubs at ht leading 2-5 to 0-7
Ft Dublin 3-11 Cork 0-14
Well done Dublin
Good luck to the Rossies hopefully all the good work done at underage over the last few years will pay off today.
Dubs used physicality to squeeze Cork out of the game, especially in the Dublin defence. A well deserved win.
Quote from: Tubberman on April 21, 2012, 12:37:53 PM
Best of luck to the rossies. pity it's not being shown live on tg4, Will have to make do with online updates.
Tubberman you can watch it live on TG4's website on their live player.
Quote from: Tubberman on April 21, 2012, 12:37:53 PM
Best of luck to the rossies. pity it's not being shown live on tg4, Will have to make do with online updates.
Isn't it being shown online?
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 21, 2012, 03:22:48 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on April 21, 2012, 12:37:53 PM
Best of luck to the rossies. pity it's not being shown live on tg4, Will have to make do with online updates.
Isn't it being shown online?
Yeah, being shown live on TG4 website and delayed live game on TG4 itself after hurling game.
Nice for us to get the win over Cork especially after the shambolic way we lost to them in Thurles some years ago.
Btw, the final will be fixed for a neutral venue UNLESS the winners of Roscommon/Cavan agree to Croke Park and a possible undercard to NFL final.
Extremely luck to be only 2 behind at the break. Roscommon backs all over us, getting cleaned out at midfield. Ref has been poor so far denying us a stonewall penalty and very inconsistent in blowing up for frees. Lumping ball in on Tierney won't work we need a plan B.
Low scoring game but we lead 1-3 to 1-1 at ht & full value for that lead
Didnt finish work in Dublin until 3.30,so watching this online.
Rossies are much the better team so far,this second half has been a disaster
we havent scored in nearly 30 minutes of football, not good enough.
Cormac Reily is atrocious,
The Roscommon player was virtually mugged there and he gave a free to us :o
1-6 to 1-2 to the Rossies with less than 10 minutes left, and i'm afraid with the way Cavan have been playing,that is game set and match.
That's tough on the keeper.
He shouldn't blame himself though, the Rossies fully deserved the win.
Poor game but we reach our first u-21 final for 30 years i'm delighted
Congrats to all the Rossies on here,fully deserved victory for ye lads.
2-07 to 2-02,Kevin's finish was terrific,Conor Gilsenan was unlucky with that hand-pass.
It would have been hard on the Rossies if Cavan had to go up the field and equalise after that second goal,we can have no complaints,beaten by far the better team.
Hope ye go on and win it now!!
We could maybe have salvaged a draw but that would have been robbery on a much better Roscommon side. The referee was woeful, he in no way affected the result of the game but he was God awful. Did Jack Brady take a go at his daughter or something??
Good luck to Roscommon in the final I'd love to see ye win it now.
Hard luck to cavan. Their goal should have to equalise as they has a missed a few kickable pts in the few mins before they got the goal.
They were a bit unlucky all through the game. The corner back, Mcloughlin is it? Was having a great game before going off injured.
Great to be back in a final. The jackeens will be raging hot favourites for sure.
Dublin will be massive favourites alright but Roscommon will give them a good test hopefully.
Well done Dublin and Roscommon. Interesting final.
Well done to the Rossies.
Wonder will Roscommon bring game to CP or will it be Navan? Personally hope it is down the country given our recent record in AI underage finals in CP. Last one won in 1984 at CP.Many lost since then.
Pretty obvious that Dubs will be favourites and no doubt we will be reminded and reminded ad nauseum by the Rossies about this fact over the next few weeks.
Great win for los Rossies. A bit of the 2006 spirit for the final and you never know what could happen.
well done to roscommon.
I think they will be up against it though in the final.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 21, 2012, 05:54:13 PM
well done to roscommon.
I think they will be up against it though in the final.
Indeed
The Rossies will have to up their game to a massive degree in the final,because the difference between playing Cavan today and this Dublin team will be like night and day.
i'm hearing the final will be played in Portlaoise
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on April 21, 2012, 05:57:09 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 21, 2012, 05:54:13 PM
well done to roscommon.
I think they will be up against it though in the final.
Indeed
The Rossies will have to up their game to a massive degree in the final,because the difference between playing Cavan today and this Dublin team will be like night and day.
Cavan supporters have to disappointed by that display certainly better than what they showed today. We have been underdogs in all bar one game this year our defence has been excellent so far but no doubt Dublin will be the biggest test, watching the 2nd half the one thing that stood out for me was the sheer size of that Dublin team they must be eating some amount of spuds?
Anyways it's great to be in All Ireland final vs regarded as one of the greatest All Ireland U-21 teams ever however the same was said about Dublin's minors last September so hopefully with a bit of luck we can follow Tipp's lead.
Quote from: Ard-Rí on April 21, 2012, 03:19:23 PM
Dubs used physicality to squeeze Cork out of the game, especially in the Dublin defence. A well deserved win.
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Good Dublin team will be hard to beat oh by the way good performance the ref
Well done Roscommon. Go and do it now.
I need a lie down after that.
A fantastic game and a pulsating atmosphere. Cavan supporters made it feel like an away game. I'm sure plenty, even supporters of both sides, will characterise e it as a poor game but it was an absolutely enthralling match. The score was low but there was no shortage of talent on show. I'd compare it to an american football match between two very good defences, the scoring was minimal but the sheer verve and skill of the two teams showcased a game full of some of the most wonderful things in the sport; fielding ball cleanly in congestion in the middle, defender plucking the ball out of the air as if they were midfielders, tenacious and wonderful man-marking and fantastic blocking and ball stripping.
Not to mention the save by Tagh Lowe in the second half, which was the pivotal moment of the match. No way he can lose his place for the final even if Naos is fit again.
Cavan didn't under-perform. We simply played superbly at the back, never, apart from the first goal, giving Cavan forwards space to get a clean shot away. Cafferky's body-control in following his man even when he lost the contest for possession was unreal. Duigan, even though Tierney got two goals, was absolutely imense as well and the fact Paddy Brogan has to now be in line to be drafted into the senior panel speaks volumes of the level of his performance today.
If you'd have told Cavan supporters that today would have been a low-scoring, defensive battle they'd have been almost sure of victory. The fact we controlled a game of that nature for so long tells you what a fantastic bunch of lads we have. They fought for every last ball, threw their bodies forwards for every last block. Compton went for one knowing full well he'd end up with a boot in the leg or mid-section, which typified the sheer will to win the team had.
The most impressive moment was after Cavan got their second goal late on. We were one point up and most teams, even experienced senior teams, would freeze and try to play the ball slowly or across their back line. The lads went straight up the field for a score. They lost the ball in the corner, then won it back in their half-back line and passed it back up the field. Everyone knows what happened next. That's the courage it takes to win at any level and to see lads in primrose and blue show it such abundance makes the world seem a beautiful place.
The only issue I see for the Dublin game is not feeding as much through Donie Smith, there was times when players looked for the pass to Smith rather than take shot s themselves. Let's make Dublin think we're channelling the attacks through him and draw the double mark and use that extra space to let the other forwards find their range.
I could care less if we're playing Martians or Dubs. We're coming to Portlaoise to win the All-Ireland and this team is very capable of producing an even more unforgettable day.
Quote from: Syferus on April 21, 2012, 09:08:34 PM
I need a lie down after that.
A fantastic game and a pulsating atmosphere. Cavan supporters made it feel like an away game. I'm sure plenty, even supporters of both sides, will characterise e it as a poor game but it was an absolutely enthralling match. The score was low but there was no shortage of talent on show. I'd compare it to an american football match between two very good defences, the scoring was minimal but the sheer verve and skill of the two teams showcased a game full of some of the most wonderful things in the sport; fielding ball cleanly in congestion in the middle, defender plucking the ball out of the air as if they were midfielders, tenacious and wonderful man-marking and fantastic blocking and ball stripping.
Not to mention the save by Tagh Lowe in the second half, which was the pivotal moment of the match. No way he can lose his place for the final even if Naos is fit again.
Cavan didn't under-perform. We simply played superbly at the back, never, apart from the first goal, giving Cavan forwards space to get a clean shot away. Cafferky's body-control in following his man even when he lost the contest for possession was unreal. Duigan, even though Tierney got two goals, was absolutely imense as well and the fact Paddy Brogan has to now be in line to be drafted into the senior panel speaks volumes of the level of his performance today.
If you'd have told Cavan supporters that today would have been a low-scoring, defensive battle they'd have been almost sure of victory. The fact we controlled a game of that nature for so long tells you what a fantastic bunch of lads we have. They fought for every last ball, threw their bodies forwards for every last block. Compton went for one knowing full well he'd end up with a boot in the leg or mid-section, which typified the sheer will to win the team had.
The most impressive moment was after Cavan got their second goal late on. We were one point up and most teams, even experienced senior teams, would freeze and try to play the ball slowly or across their back line. The lads went straight up the field for a score. They lost the ball in the corner, then won it back in their half-back line and passed it back up the field. Everyone knows what happened next. That's the courage it takes to win at any level and to see lads in primrose and blue show it such abundance makes the world seem a beautiful place.
The only issue I see for the Dublin game is not feeding as much through Donie Smith, there was times when players looked for the pass to Smith rather than take shot s themselves. Let's make Dublin think we're channelling the attacks through him and draw the double mark and use that extra space to let the other forwards find their range.
I could care less if we're playing Martians or Dubs. We're coming to Portlaoise to win the All-Ireland and this team is very capable of producing an even more unforgettable day.
How do you know cavan didn't under perform, did you see our previous 3 games. Let me tell you we certainly did under-perform. We were flat and made a lot of simple errors gifting Ros points. Cavan dominated the last 20 minutes but the Ros defence stood firm but we missed a sitter of a goal which could have made the difference. The fact a Meath man was allowed ref this game was a joke. I wish Ros all the best and hope ye win it.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 21, 2012, 09:16:19 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 21, 2012, 09:08:34 PM
I need a lie down after that.
A fantastic game and a pulsating atmosphere. Cavan supporters made it feel like an away game. I'm sure plenty, even supporters of both sides, will characterise e it as a poor game but it was an absolutely enthralling match. The score was low but there was no shortage of talent on show. I'd compare it to an american football match between two very good defences, the scoring was minimal but the sheer verve and skill of the two teams showcased a game full of some of the most wonderful things in the sport; fielding ball cleanly in congestion in the middle, defender plucking the ball out of the air as if they were midfielders, tenacious and wonderful man-marking and fantastic blocking and ball stripping.
Not to mention the save by Tagh Lowe in the second half, which was the pivotal moment of the match. No way he can lose his place for the final even if Naos is fit again.
Cavan didn't under-perform. We simply played superbly at the back, never, apart from the first goal, giving Cavan forwards space to get a clean shot away. Cafferky's body-control in following his man even when he lost the contest for possession was unreal. Duigan, even though Tierney got two goals, was absolutely imense as well and the fact Paddy Brogan has to now be in line to be drafted into the senior panel speaks volumes of the level of his performance today.
If you'd have told Cavan supporters that today would have been a low-scoring, defensive battle they'd have been almost sure of victory. The fact we controlled a game of that nature for so long tells you what a fantastic bunch of lads we have. They fought for every last ball, threw their bodies forwards for every last block. Compton went for one knowing full well he'd end up with a boot in the leg or mid-section, which typified the sheer will to win the team had.
The most impressive moment was after Cavan got their second goal late on. We were one point up and most teams, even experienced senior teams, would freeze and try to play the ball slowly or across their back line. The lads went straight up the field for a score. They lost the ball in the corner, then won it back in their half-back line and passed it back up the field. Everyone knows what happened next. That's the courage it takes to win at any level and to see lads in primrose and blue show it such abundance makes the world seem a beautiful place.
The only issue I see for the Dublin game is not feeding as much through Donie Smith, there was times when players looked for the pass to Smith rather than take shot s themselves. Let's make Dublin think we're channelling the attacks through him and draw the double mark and use that extra space to let the other forwards find their range.
I could care less if we're playing Martians or Dubs. We're coming to Portlaoise to win the All-Ireland and this team is very capable of producing an even more unforgettable day.
How do you know cavan didn't under perform, did you see our previous 3 games. Let me tell you we certainly did under-perform. We were flat and made a lot of simple errors gifting Ros points. Cavan dominated the last 20 minutes but the Ros defence stood firm but we missed a sitter of a goal which could have made the difference. The fact a Meath man was allowed ref this game was a joke. I wish Ros all the best and hope ye win it.
I've seen plenty of Cavan over the last year, their All-Ireland run last year, Hastings Cup matches and listening in to the commentary and opinions of the Ulster final. Cavan played with great heart and great skill, it's simply that there was no room left for their forwards to get proper shots away. It speaks to Tierney's class that, despite being bottled up for 59 minutes of the match, he still scored two huge goals. There's a perception that low scoring games equate to poor games or games with under-performing teams. That wasn't the case today, it was simply that two fantastic defences played against each other.
Some days you see end-to-end scoring, today was a day to drink in some absolutely wonderful defending.
I'm about to lie down too Syfy. :D
As for Slasher -- would ya give us a biteen of credit :P
Not a great game but we fought tooth and nail and well deserved that 5 point margin.
Holding a team to 4 scores in an All Irl Semi is serious business.
We'll be up against it in the Final but sure that's for another day.
Let's savour the day that's in it and our qualifying for an AI Final.
on a side issue - I thought we had a small enough support there today . Recession/emigration?
Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 21, 2012, 09:16:19 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 21, 2012, 09:08:34 PM
I need a lie down after that.
A fantastic game and a pulsating atmosphere. Cavan supporters made it feel like an away game. I'm sure plenty, even supporters of both sides, will characterise e it as a poor game but it was an absolutely enthralling match. The score was low but there was no shortage of talent on show. I'd compare it to an american football match between two very good defences, the scoring was minimal but the sheer verve and skill of the two teams showcased a game full of some of the most wonderful things in the sport; fielding ball cleanly in congestion in the middle, defender plucking the ball out of the air as if they were midfielders, tenacious and wonderful man-marking and fantastic blocking and ball stripping.
Not to mention the save by Tagh Lowe in the second half, which was the pivotal moment of the match. No way he can lose his place for the final even if Naos is fit again.
Cavan didn't under-perform. We simply played superbly at the back, never, apart from the first goal, giving Cavan forwards space to get a clean shot away. Cafferky's body-control in following his man even when he lost the contest for possession was unreal. Duigan, even though Tierney got two goals, was absolutely imense as well and the fact Paddy Brogan has to now be in line to be drafted into the senior panel speaks volumes of the level of his performance today.
If you'd have told Cavan supporters that today would have been a low-scoring, defensive battle they'd have been almost sure of victory. The fact we controlled a game of that nature for so long tells you what a fantastic bunch of lads we have. They fought for every last ball, threw their bodies forwards for every last block. Compton went for one knowing full well he'd end up with a boot in the leg or mid-section, which typified the sheer will to win the team had.
The most impressive moment was after Cavan got their second goal late on. We were one point up and most teams, even experienced senior teams, would freeze and try to play the ball slowly or across their back line. The lads went straight up the field for a score. They lost the ball in the corner, then won it back in their half-back line and passed it back up the field. Everyone knows what happened next. That's the courage it takes to win at any level and to see lads in primrose and blue show it such abundance makes the world seem a beautiful place.
The only issue I see for the Dublin game is not feeding as much through Donie Smith, there was times when players looked for the pass to Smith rather than take shot s themselves. Let's make Dublin think we're channelling the attacks through him and draw the double mark and use that extra space to let the other forwards find their range.
I could care less if we're playing Martians or Dubs. We're coming to Portlaoise to win the All-Ireland and this team is very capable of producing an even more unforgettable day.
How do you know cavan didn't under perform, did you see our previous 3 games. Let me tell you we certainly did under-perform. We were flat and made a lot of simple errors gifting Ros points. Cavan dominated the last 20 minutes but the Ros defence stood firm but we missed a sitter of a goal which could have made the difference. The fact a Meath man was allowed ref this game was a joke. I wish Ros all the best and hope ye win it.
Why?
Meath is in Leinster, Cavan is in Ulster.
Hard luck Cavan. It's not easy to get out of Ulster and then have 2 defeats in a row against hoors from Connacht.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 21, 2012, 09:26:25 PM
I'm about to lie down too Syfy. :D
As for Slasher -- would ya give us a biteen of credit :P
Not a great game but we fought tooth and nail and well deserved that 5 point margin.
Holding a team to 4 scores in an All Irl Semi is serious business.
We'll be up against it in the Final but sure that's for another day.
Let's savour the day that's in it and our qualifying for an AI Final.
on a side issue - I thought we had a small enough support there today . Recession/emigration?
Those Cavan lads sure know how to get tickets. And roar. It was unreal the support they had. Hard to tell what the disparity was caused by, there's only 10k in the difference of the populations of the two counties and Pearse Park was nice and close for both sides.
Better make room on the bandwagon for Portlaoise! I'll be glad for any extra supporters, no matter their overall dedication.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 21, 2012, 09:30:11 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 21, 2012, 09:16:19 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 21, 2012, 09:08:34 PM
I need a lie down after that.
A fantastic game and a pulsating atmosphere. Cavan supporters made it feel like an away game. I'm sure plenty, even supporters of both sides, will characterise e it as a poor game but it was an absolutely enthralling match. The score was low but there was no shortage of talent on show. I'd compare it to an american football match between two very good defences, the scoring was minimal but the sheer verve and skill of the two teams showcased a game full of some of the most wonderful things in the sport; fielding ball cleanly in congestion in the middle, defender plucking the ball out of the air as if they were midfielders, tenacious and wonderful man-marking and fantastic blocking and ball stripping.
Not to mention the save by Tagh Lowe in the second half, which was the pivotal moment of the match. No way he can lose his place for the final even if Naos is fit again.
Cavan didn't under-perform. We simply played superbly at the back, never, apart from the first goal, giving Cavan forwards space to get a clean shot away. Cafferky's body-control in following his man even when he lost the contest for possession was unreal. Duigan, even though Tierney got two goals, was absolutely imense as well and the fact Paddy Brogan has to now be in line to be drafted into the senior panel speaks volumes of the level of his performance today.
If you'd have told Cavan supporters that today would have been a low-scoring, defensive battle they'd have been almost sure of victory. The fact we controlled a game of that nature for so long tells you what a fantastic bunch of lads we have. They fought for every last ball, threw their bodies forwards for every last block. Compton went for one knowing full well he'd end up with a boot in the leg or mid-section, which typified the sheer will to win the team had.
The most impressive moment was after Cavan got their second goal late on. We were one point up and most teams, even experienced senior teams, would freeze and try to play the ball slowly or across their back line. The lads went straight up the field for a score. They lost the ball in the corner, then won it back in their half-back line and passed it back up the field. Everyone knows what happened next. That's the courage it takes to win at any level and to see lads in primrose and blue show it such abundance makes the world seem a beautiful place.
The only issue I see for the Dublin game is not feeding as much through Donie Smith, there was times when players looked for the pass to Smith rather than take shot s themselves. Let's make Dublin think we're channelling the attacks through him and draw the double mark and use that extra space to let the other forwards find their range.
I could care less if we're playing Martians or Dubs. We're coming to Portlaoise to win the All-Ireland and this team is very capable of producing an even more unforgettable day.
How do you know cavan didn't under perform, did you see our previous 3 games. Let me tell you we certainly did under-perform. We were flat and made a lot of simple errors gifting Ros points. Cavan dominated the last 20 minutes but the Ros defence stood firm but we missed a sitter of a goal which could have made the difference. The fact a Meath man was allowed ref this game was a joke. I wish Ros all the best and hope ye win it.
Why?
Meath is in Leinster, Cavan is in Ulster.
Sure you can be getting D3 refs to manage games with two D3 counties!
We need a proper D2 ref from, say, Westmeath..
I'm not taking anything from Roscommons display today, ye played very well and deserved to win. All I am saying is that Cavan did not play to the best of their ability and the referee was very poor and although he made shockers against Ros too, by far he made way more terrible calls against us.
Why the comment about Meath then Myles?
Maybe he's just a bad ref!
A ref from say derry or antrim can't ref the match because he may be biased in cavans favour even though those counties are no where near cavan. Yet a ref from a county with a border with cavan and a county that has historic rivalry is allowed to ref the game because hes from leinster. That makes no sense. But you are right, msybe he is just crap but how does that explain bias in todays game.
Great win for the Ross and I fully expect them to go all the way now. Not a bad sign for Connaught football. I hate to say it, but Galway are probably the best team in the country at this level and only a pile of injuries halted their progress. Mayo will be up against it in the years to come if these teams continue to develop :( :(.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 21, 2012, 09:36:15 PM
I'm not taking anything from Roscommons display today, ye played very well and deserved to win. All I am saying is that Cavan did not play to the best of their ability and the referee was very poor and although he made shockers against Ros too, by far he made way more terrible calls against us.
Well actually you are by talking about the ref and Cavan not playing to their ability. If you really think Roscommon deserved to win you should leave it at that.
Remember if Armagh,Tyrone or Derry had held Cavan to four scores in the Ulster championship they would have won.
Who was the Cavan full forward? His two goals were brilliant.
Quote from: CorkMan on April 21, 2012, 10:43:41 PM
Who was the Cavan full forward? His two goals were brilliant.
kevin Tierney their best forward throughout the Ulster championship.
Quote from: CorkMan on April 21, 2012, 10:43:41 PM
Who was the Cavan full forward? His two goals were brilliant.
I'm sure you've seen the match, what did you make of the Dubs? Any tips on raiding the capital?
Quote from: saffronandblue on April 21, 2012, 10:43:00 PM
Great win for the Ross and I fully expect them to go all the way now. Not a bad sign for Connaught football. I hate to say it, but Galway are probably the best team in the country at this level and only a pile of injuries halted their progress. Mayo will be up against it in the years to come if these teams continue to develop :( :(.
Good, nothing like decent teams emerging. As i always say a rising tide lifts all boats. Nothing worse than one County coasting it in their province.
A word of Caution, underage does not always guarantee senior success as much as lack of underage means poor Senior teams in the future.
The Kerry team circa 2000 to 2009 have no Minor All-Irelands, A couple have under 21 from 1998.
But in all it's scimpy
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 22, 2012, 12:54:07 PM
Quote from: saffronandblue on April 21, 2012, 10:43:00 PM
Great win for the Ross and I fully expect them to go all the way now. Not a bad sign for Connaught football. I hate to say it, but Galway are probably the best team in the country at this level and only a pile of injuries halted their progress. Mayo will be up against it in the years to come if these teams continue to develop :( :(.
Good, nothing like decent teams emerging. As i always say a rising tide lifts all boats. Nothing worse than one County coasting it in their province.
A word of Caution, underage does not always guarantee senior success as much as lack of underage means poor Senior teams in the future.
The Kerry team circa 2000 to 2009 have no Minor All-Irelands, A couple have under 21 from 1998.
But in all it's scimpy
Under-age success has already been the key to success at alot of levels for us. You can see the work done with players at under-age in plenty of the All-Ireland contending Brigids team, the current starters for the seniors and all the players coming through under-age now. The 2006 Minor All-Ireland has had a profoundly positive impact in helping promote and establish proper structures in the county. We're not just happening on under-age success this year, this is something we've built up over the last half decade and more.
This is just my opinion but 2006 was a good while ago, is it fair comment to say roscommon arent bringing the underage success through to senior? If senior team competitiveness was based on underage success we shouldnt be competitive with any of the teams in connacht but we are.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 22, 2012, 01:51:46 PM
This is just my opinion but 2006 was a good while ago, is it fair comment to say roscommon arent bringing the underage success through to senior? If senior team competitiveness was based on underage success we shouldnt be competitive with any of the teams in connacht but we are.
Our 2006 guys are still in their early 20s & a few years from reaching their peak. Sligo are rare breed they don't seem to need success at underaged level to succeed at Senior level, 2007,2002 are examples to that.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 22, 2012, 01:51:46 PM
This is just my opinion but 2006 was a good while ago, is it fair comment to say roscommon arent bringing the underage success through to senior? If senior team competitiveness was based on underage success we shouldnt be competitive with any of the teams in connacht but we are.
I really don't think it's fair at all.
Of the current starters (or there abouts), Shine, Higgins, Domnican, O'Gara and Devaney were 2006 minors and all are either 22 or 23. Cregg is only a year older than the 2006 minors. They're now among the most experienced players on the panel, such is the age of the rest of the panel. We really started a completely rebuild after the wreckage in 2008, and we didn't even bottom out until we were relegated to D4 in April 2010. Its been a massive, massive turn around at senior by the panel, we've developed alot of strength i ndepth, won a Connacht title far earlier than any supporter would have dreamed possible and have continued to blood in fantastic under-age talents like Niall Daly, Neil Collins, Niall Kilroy and Ciaran Caffereky and Colin Compton in this year's league. We're
still getting younger year-on-year.
I'm fantastically proud of the strides that have been made at senior without any major setbacks - we haven't beat a Cork or Tyrone, but we haven't slipped up against the teams around us. We'll be a D2 team in the near future and another Connacht title this year or next is a very attainable goal. There's plenty of faith in our young players, we've took the right approach and given them time to develop rather than label anyone as udner-achieving, it's that negativity that prevented us and alot of other teams from suceeding in the past. Players like Cregg, Shine and Domincan have already shown the extent to which our under-age stars can transition to senior, while the likes of Devaney, Darren McDermott and David O'Gara have every tool required to be excellent inter-county players. We just had so much work to do that this was always going to be a long road, the important thing is to keep the conveyor belt going and maintaining the under-age attitude that we should expect to beat the Mayos and Galways, not hoping that we will.
Quote from: Syferus on April 22, 2012, 02:48:20 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 22, 2012, 01:51:46 PM
This is just my opinion but 2006 was a good while ago, is it fair comment to say roscommon arent bringing the underage success through to senior? If senior team competitiveness was based on underage success we shouldnt be competitive with any of the teams in connacht but we are.
I really don't think it's fair at all.
Of the current starters (or there abouts), Shine, Higgins, Domnican, O'Gara and Devaney were 2006 minors and all are either 22 or 23. Cregg is only a year older than the 2006 minors. They're now among the most experienced players on the panel, such is the age of the rest of the panel. We really started a completely rebuild after the wreckage in 2008, and we didn't even bottom out until we were relegated to D4 in April 2010. Its been a massive, massive turn around at senior by the panel, we've developed alot of strength i ndepth, won a Connacht title far earlier than any supporter would have dreamed possible and have continued to blood in fantastic under-age talents like Niall Daly, Neil Collins, Niall Kilroy and Ciaran Caffereky and Colin Compton in this year's league. We're still getting younger year-on-year.
I'm fantastically proud of the strides that have been made at senior without any major setbacks - we haven't beat a Cork or Tyrone, but we haven't slipped up against the teams around us. We'll be a D2 team in the near future and another Connacht title this year or next is a very attainable goal. There's plenty of faith in our young players, we've took the right approach and given them time to develop rather than label anyone as udner-achieving, it's that negativity that prevented us and alot of other teams from suceeding in the past. Players like Cregg, Shine and Domincan have already shown the extent to which our under-age stars can transition to senior, while the likes of Devaney, Darren McDermott and David O'Gara have every tool required to be excellent inter-county players. We just had so much work to do that this was always going to be a long road, the important thing is to keep the conveyor belt going and maintaining the under-age attitude that we should expect to beat the Mayos and Galways, not hoping that we will.
If we had the underage success yeve had id be expecting us to be top 10 team and definitly d2 at a minimum by now. Div3 is poor. No offence but the draw in connacht 2010 was where it was won, more than any evidence of the development of roscommon seniors imho. I feel its very slow progress, yere obviously more patient than i am.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 22, 2012, 03:11:41 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 22, 2012, 02:48:20 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 22, 2012, 01:51:46 PM
This is just my opinion but 2006 was a good while ago, is it fair comment to say roscommon arent bringing the underage success through to senior? If senior team competitiveness was based on underage success we shouldnt be competitive with any of the teams in connacht but we are.
I really don't think it's fair at all.
Of the current starters (or there abouts), Shine, Higgins, Domnican, O'Gara and Devaney were 2006 minors and all are either 22 or 23. Cregg is only a year older than the 2006 minors. They're now among the most experienced players on the panel, such is the age of the rest of the panel. We really started a completely rebuild after the wreckage in 2008, and we didn't even bottom out until we were relegated to D4 in April 2010. Its been a massive, massive turn around at senior by the panel, we've developed alot of strength i ndepth, won a Connacht title far earlier than any supporter would have dreamed possible and have continued to blood in fantastic under-age talents like Niall Daly, Neil Collins, Niall Kilroy and Ciaran Caffereky and Colin Compton in this year's league. We're still getting younger year-on-year.
I'm fantastically proud of the strides that have been made at senior without any major setbacks - we haven't beat a Cork or Tyrone, but we haven't slipped up against the teams around us. We'll be a D2 team in the near future and another Connacht title this year or next is a very attainable goal. There's plenty of faith in our young players, we've took the right approach and given them time to develop rather than label anyone as udner-achieving, it's that negativity that prevented us and alot of other teams from suceeding in the past. Players like Cregg, Shine and Domincan have already shown the extent to which our under-age stars can transition to senior, while the likes of Devaney, Darren McDermott and David O'Gara have every tool required to be excellent inter-county players. We just had so much work to do that this was always going to be a long road, the important thing is to keep the conveyor belt going and maintaining the under-age attitude that we should expect to beat the Mayos and Galways, not hoping that we will.
If we had the underage success yeve had id be expecting us to be top 10 team and definitly d2 at a minimum by now. Div3 is poor. No offence but the draw in connacht 2010 was where it was won, more than any evidence of the development of roscommon seniors imho. I feel its very slow progress, yere obviously more patient than i am.
In fairness now, that's no great boast :P
Congrats to Roscommon on this win. Lack of scoring forwards remains the problem with this under 21 team and with the underage development process they're undergoing in general. It says something about the quality of the other players they have brought through that they have managed to compensate for this to the extent that they've got to an under 21 final. Hopefully they go on and beat the dubs now, it would be a really positive sign for Connacht football, however to compete with the best at senior level they are going to have to find three or four more natural scoring forwards at some point.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on April 22, 2012, 03:57:25 PM
Congrats to Roscommon on this win. Lack of scoring forwards remains the problem with this under 21 team and with the underage development process they're undergoing in general. It says something about the quality of the other players they have brought through that they have managed to compensate for this to the extent that they've got to an under 21 final. Hopefully they go on and beat the dubs now, it would be a really positive sign for Connacht football, however to compete with the best at senior level they are going to have to find three or four more natural scoring forwards at some point.
Who are the three or four natural scoring forwards Mayo have? O'Connor,Mortimer perhaps. Galway in 1998-2001 are the last Connacht senior team i've seen with a good set of natural forwards.
Yes you have to be a patient person to follow Roscommon. As for natural forwards on their day Cathal Cregg,Senan Kilbride,Donal Shine are good as any forward in Connacht. Donie Smith is arguably one of the best young forwards in Ireland while we'll have another few coming through at minor level this year.
Good win for the Rossies - hope ye can go on and win it now.
Quote from: ross4life on April 22, 2012, 04:16:42 PM
Yes you have to be a patient person to follow Roscommon. As for natural forwards on their day Cathal Cregg,Senan Kilbride,Donal Shine are good as any forward in Connacht. Donie Smith is arguably one of the best young forwards in Ireland while we'll have another few coming through at minor level this year.
I was about to say. I'd add Darren McDermott to the group, too. He's still very young and inexperienced but every time he plays for the seniors he looks impressive. He looks like a guy who's been there for years, he has vision for passes and is willing to take big shots (his point, about two minutes after coming on vs. Longford springs to mind). If he continues to stay (mostly) fit then he's going to be a wonderful forward as well.
I'll say without any reservations that I think we have, in terms of scoring forwards, the best collection in Connacht right now. It wasn't on TV, but that first half against Tyrone last year show-cased how devastating these guys can be when they play to their potential. One of the under-reported elements of the team since 2010 has been how we've diffused our scoring spread over our forwards divsion (and midfield and half-backs), it's no longer a case of just relying on Donie or Senan to score everything.
Syferus and R4L, I admire your confidence, clearly you must be quite confident of a Connacht title this year then with the best forwards in Connacht leading the way? I do wonder though how the best forwards in Connacht only managed to score two points in their home ground in the entire second half of the Connacht final last year - a 20m free dead in front of the posts and a botched goal effort from 10 yards out. I know it was windy but I clearly recall a number of missed scorable opportunities from the Ros lads before O'Connor and Varley went down the other end to pick off the winning scores.
There you go, Roscommon have the 5 best forwards in Connacht now. Surely that must put them in serious contention for Sam?
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on April 22, 2012, 06:02:30 PM
Syferus and R4L, I admire your confidence, clearly you must be quite confident of a Connacht title this year then with the best forwards in Connacht leading the way? I do wonder though how the best forwards in Connacht only managed to score two points in their home ground in the entire second half of the Connacht final last year - a 20m free dead in front of the posts and a botched goal effort from 10 yards out. I know it was windy but I clearly recall a number of missed scorable opportunities from the Ros lads before O'Connor and Varley went down the other end to pick off the winning scores.
The confidence isn't that high this year especially with the draw & new manager needing time. As for last July's Connacht final anyone that was at the game knows it's was a game of two halves with that wind. Remind me how many Mayo scored from play in the 1st half? The best forward from play on display that day was Donal Shine while Senan Kilbride played on with injury.
So long story short we got within 2 points vs the future team of the decade good progress from the 2009 game.
Id rather have donie shine and senan kilbride than any of the mayo inside forwards, thats for sure.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on April 22, 2012, 06:02:30 PM
Syferus and R4L, I admire your confidence, clearly you must be quite confident of a Connacht title this year then with the best forwards in Connacht leading the way? I do wonder though how the best forwards in Connacht only managed to score two points in their home ground in the entire second half of the Connacht final last year - a 20m free dead in front of the posts and a botched goal effort from 10 yards out. I know it was windy but I clearly recall a number of missed scorable opportunities from the Ros lads before O'Connor and Varley went down the other end to pick off the winning scores.
I said scoring forwards. Our weakness is midfield, winning ball cleaning and even breaking it effectively. Man-for-man our backs and forwards would be as good as anything Mayo, Sligo or Galway have. People try to play the hurl their rivals up or down but it's not hubris to say that four teams will have genuine ambitions on the Nestor Cup this year and with a bit of luck any of the four can win it.
Donie hit about three frees and shots on target vs. Mayo last year but the wind blew the ball outwards. Any normal day and those would have been points - I was down on front row of the stone bleachers all day and I can tell you the wind and rain was utterly atrocious, I literally have not been to a game in winter or summer that was played in worse conditions. I actually had to get a filling replaced after that day in the Hyde. No one can say with a straight face that those non-scores were caused by our forwards not being able to find the target.
As a Rossie, i have to say that Mayo are the benchmark at Senior level in Connacht right now.
Yes, Kilbride and Shine can be devastating on their day, but neither of them pulled up any trees in Division 3 of the league, with Shine actually being left out for a couple of games...I know Kilbride only played a few league games, but i'm still waiting for consistency from him at Championship level, whilst in my opinion , Shine has gone backwards in his performances since the 2010 Connacht Final..Top class performances from him have been rare enough since.
Back to the topic of this thread and well done to our under 21's......There's no doubt that Dublin will be hot favourites, pretty much the same as Kerry were against our minors in 2006 and we all
know what happened there.
It's all about what happens on the day. Personally, i think a place on the team should be found for John Mc Manus who has impressed as a sub against Mayo, Sligo and Cavan.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 22, 2012, 06:27:43 PM
Id rather have donie shine and senan kilbride than any of the mayo inside forwards, thats for sure.
I was agreeing with you. Both will be contenders for POTY.
Let's do a little thought exercise. If you were selecting the best six forwards in Connacht, who would they be? For my money this'd be it, taking into account the fact Michael Meehan isn't anywhere near full fitness and likely never will be:
Padraic Joyce - Cathal Cregg - Andy Moran
David Kelly - Senan Kilbride - Donie Shine
The only maybe in that pack for me is Joyce, but his pure football brain and class would be well supported by Cregg's and Moran's work rate around the middle, meaning Joyce would be able to concentrate on play-making and doing what he's done for so many years, score wonderful points. The only options that would come to mind is Alan Dillon, but even then I just couldn't resist picking Joyce.
Quote from: Syferus on April 22, 2012, 06:31:31 PM
Donie hit about three frees and shots on target vs. Mayo last year but the win blew the ball out. Any normal day and those would have been points - I was down on front row of the stone bleachers all day and I can tell you the wind and rain was utterly atrocious, I literally haven not been to a game in winter or summer that was played in worse conditions. No one can say with a straight face that those non-scores were caused by our forwards not being able to find the target.
I'm not arguing with you about the conditions, I was at the game, standing out in the open during the match and out on the pitch afterwards. I think though that the Ros forwards were taking on shots that were out of range and should not have been taken on. When you're defending a lead that's even worse than kicking the ball wide because you're giving it straight to the opposition - which partly accounted for Roscommons downfall (on top of a few missed Shine efforts when he had the wind at his back earlier on).
As for this Kilbride lad, I've been waiting half a decade to see him fully fit in action against Mayo. He's no good to Roscommon injured, every time the two teams meet he's talked up as a potential match winner, maybe some day he will deliver.
Anyway, best of luck to your under 21s against the dubs. I look forward to seeing the best
scoring forwards in Connacht in action later in the year.
MacDermott Cregg Smith
Meehan Kilbride Shine
And of course "Man-for-man our backs and forwards would be as good as anything Mayo, Sligo or Galway have."
So not only have you the best forwards in Connacht but you also have 6 backs as good as the combination of the rest. Sam should be a cakewalk for Roscommon really.
I would know v little about football in the west but if that's a true reflection of the best attacking talent available I'd be taken aback. Based largely on sigerson football performances, cregg is a headless chicken - great athlete but little more - and shine is very easily tied down as he hasn't got either the guile or cutting edge pace topclass inside forwards need. Is shine a cert for the ros championship team?
Quote from: DuffleKing on April 22, 2012, 06:59:58 PM
I would know v little about football in the west but if that's a true reflection of the best attacking talent available I'd be taken aback. Based largely on sigerson football performances, cregg is a headless chicken - great athlete but little more - and shine is very easily tied down as he hasn't got either the guile or cutting edge pace topclass inside forwards need. Is shine a cert for the ros championship team?
How much of Roscommon have you actually seen? Cregg was injured for almost the entirety of the Sigerson Cup this year.
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Back to the topic of this thread and well done to our under 21's......There's no doubt that Dublin will be hot favourites, pretty much the same as Kerry were against our minors in 2006 and we all
know what happened there.
It's all about what happens on the day. Personally, i think a place on the team should be found for John Mc Manus who has impressed as a sub against Mayo, Sligo and Cavan.
Yes back to the topic..
We could use the 2006 spirit but our U-21s this year is closer to last years minors & if we had beaten Tipp we would have played Dublin in the final. John McManus not starting shows the strength in depth we have & he'll probably take over from Paddy Brogan next year at CHB.
These players won't be going into the unknown as a lot of them are going to college in Dublin & have played with or against most of Dublin's current team.
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Back to the topic of this thread and well done to our under 21's......There's no doubt that Dublin will be hot favourites, pretty much the same as Kerry were against our minors in 2006 and we all
know what happened there.
It's all about what happens on the day. Personally, i think a place on the team should be found for John Mc Manus who has impressed as a sub against Mayo, Sligo and Cavan.
Yes back to the topic..
We could use the 2006 spirit but our U-21s this year is closer to last years minors & if we had beaten Tipp we would have played Dublin in the final. John McManus not starting shows the strength in depth we have & he'll probably take over from Paddy Brogan next year at CHB.
These players won't be going into the unknown as a lot of them are going to college in Dublin & have played with or against most of Dublin's current team.
If Dublin perform they'll win by 5 points. No disrespect to Roscommon but this is completely in Dublin's hands. I think man for man we're vastly superior.
We want to avoid complacency and the media for the next couple of weeks and just go into this with a view to getting the job done with an utter ruthlessness that has underpinned all our games to date.
We have the capacity to score big and we need to ensure this continues-especially in terms of scoring goals which this side is good at.
Start going in thinking we have it won and it'll be 1992 all over again. But i'm confident Gavin wont allow this as he'll have experience of this situation himself as a player and how it went completely pear-shaped.
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Back to the topic of this thread and well done to our under 21's......There's no doubt that Dublin will be hot favourites, pretty much the same as Kerry were against our minors in 2006 and we all
know what happened there.
It's all about what happens on the day. Personally, i think a place on the team should be found for John Mc Manus who has impressed as a sub against Mayo, Sligo and Cavan.
Yes back to the topic..
We could use the 2006 spirit but our U-21s this year is closer to last years minors & if we had beaten Tipp we would have played Dublin in the final. John McManus not starting shows the strength in depth we have & he'll probably take over from Paddy Brogan next year at CHB.
These players won't be going into the unknown as a lot of them are going to college in Dublin & have played with or against most of Dublin's current team.
If Dublin perform they'll win by 5 points. No disrespect to Roscommon but this is completely in Dublin's hands. I think man for man we're vastly superior.
We want to avoid complacency and the media for the next couple of weeks and just go into this with a view to getting the job done with an utter ruthlessness that has underpinned all our games to date.
We have the capacity to score big and we need to ensure this continues-especially in terms of scoring goals which this side is good at.
Start going in thinking we have it won and it'll be 1992 all over again. But i'm confident Gavin wont allow this as he'll have experience of this situation himself as a player and how it went completely pear-shaped.
I remember 1992 well, very talented Donegal side that had the pick of two U-21 winning teams that should have won more at senior level. Five points winning margin will probably be the favorable odds also but i'm not sure about your vastly superior statement? in sheer size & strength possibly but our lads have been around for number of years a confident bunch of guys that certainly won't be turning up just to make up the numbers & a good part of the panel have their final chance to win All Ireland U-21 title.
No matter how hard you try complacency won't be easy for you to avoid. Dublin are more free scoring than us that much is certain however our best chance of success is trying to make it a low scoring game so far we have been tactically superb & IMO it's makes for intriguing final.
Rossie lads making themselves hostages to fortune here to the smug Mayo Muppet and friends. We may not have the best forward unit in Connacht but in Shine, Kilbride and Cregg I think we have 3 individual forwards who are better than anything else in Connacht. May not be enough to win a Connacht title but I think we have a good chance of beating Galway in the championship. Mayo are the team to beat. Fair play to them and best of luck in the league final but they wont be unbeatable come championship time even in Connacht. The underage success in Roscommon has been consistent in winning provincial titles (apart from the 06 AI) in minor, u-21 and a possibly before its time senior in 2010. I think some of those underage sides didnt have superstars but they maxed out which in itself is a sign of good coaching. The seniors are still quite young but have been competitive in championship for the last 2 seasons regardless of league form. They will be a serious force in the next 2 years I believe even outside of Connacht. For now making an U-21 AI final is a great breakthrough and they've nothing to lose by going for it in the final even if they are up against it versus a powerful Dublin side.
We're plenty capable of winning a shoot-out, we should have put Mayo away by more and kicked some lazy wides when the game against Sligo became out of reach. I don't see it being a huge scoring game, though, it'll probably resemble more the Ros/Cavan game than the Cork/Dublin game. Any sense that Dublin should win the game will be wiped away very quickly once the game begins.
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Quote from: INDIANA on April 22, 2012, 07:47:22 PM
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Back to the topic of this thread and well done to our under 21's......There's no doubt that Dublin will be hot favourites, pretty much the same as Kerry were against our minors in 2006 and we all
know what happened there.
It's all about what happens on the day. Personally, i think a place on the team should be found for John Mc Manus who has impressed as a sub against Mayo, Sligo and Cavan.
Yes back to the topic..
We could use the 2006 spirit but our U-21s this year is closer to last years minors & if we had beaten Tipp we would have played Dublin in the final. John McManus not starting shows the strength in depth we have & he'll probably take over from Paddy Brogan next year at CHB.
These players won't be going into the unknown as a lot of them are going to college in Dublin & have played with or against most of Dublin's current team.
If Dublin perform they'll win by 5 points. No disrespect to Roscommon but this is completely in Dublin's hands. I think man for man we're vastly superior.
We want to avoid complacency and the media for the next couple of weeks and just go into this with a view to getting the job done with an utter ruthlessness that has underpinned all our games to date.
We have the capacity to score big and we need to ensure this continues-especially in terms of scoring goals which this side is good at.
Start going in thinking we have it won and it'll be 1992 all over again. But i'm confident Gavin wont allow this as he'll have experience of this situation himself as a player and how it went completely pear-shaped.
I remember 1992 well, very talented Donegal side that had the pick of two U-21 winning teams that should have won more at senior level. Five points winning margin will probably be the favorable odds also but i'm not sure about your vastly superior statement? in sheer size & strength possibly but our lads have been around for number of years a confident bunch of guys that certainly won't be turning up just to make up the numbers & a good part of the panel have their final chance to win All Ireland U-21 title.
No matter how hard you try complacency won't be easy for you to avoid. Dublin are more free scoring than us that much is certain however our best chance of success is trying to make it a low scoring game so far we have been tactically superb & IMO it's makes for intriguing final.
Never suggested roscommon are coming up to make up the numbers but they got it pretty easy yesterday as Cavan were absolutely dreadful.
To score only 2 points in 65 minutes football at this level is nothing short of utterly pathetic. You'd wonder how in God's creation cavan managed to beat the likes of tyrone.
Quote from: Syferus on April 22, 2012, 08:42:34 PM
We're plenty capable of winning a shoot-out, we should have put Mayo away by more and kicked some lazy wides when the game against Sligo became out of reach. I don't see it being a huge scoring game, though, it'll probably resemble more the Ros/Cavan game than the Cork/Dublin game. Any sense that Dublin should win the game will be wiped away very quickly once the game begins.
I dont believe you've a hope in hell of winning a shoot out. If this is an open game of football we'll win with a bit to spare. A-shoot out would be manna from heaven for our lads and our forwards in particular. Its not the best u21 side we've ever had but its definitely the best forward line we've had at this level in my view. Especially with seaver and Dawson on the bench who would walk onto most other county 21 sides.
If Roscommon play a style like the 2010 semi-final they'll have a good chance. Dublin aren't brilliant at the back by any stretch but from numbers 7-15 we're as strong as we've ever been
Quote from: ross matt on April 22, 2012, 08:41:38 PM
Rossie lads making themselves hostages to fortune here to the smug Mayo Muppet and friends. We may not have the best forward unit in Connacht but in Shine, Kilbride and Cregg I think we have 3 individual forwards who are better than anything else in Connacht. May not be enough to win a Connacht title but I think we have a good chance of beating Galway in the championship. Mayo are the team to beat. Fair play to them and best of luck in the league final but they wont be unbeatable come championship time even in Connacht. The underage success in Roscommon has been consistent in winning provincial titles (apart from the 06 AI) in minor, u-21 and a possibly before its time senior in 2010. I think some of those underage sides didnt have superstars but they maxed out which in itself is a sign of good coaching. The seniors are still quite young but have been competitive in championship for the last 2 seasons regardless of league form. They will be a serious force in the next 2 years I believe even outside of Connacht. For now making an U-21 AI final is a great breakthrough and they've nothing to lose by going for it in the final even if they are up against it versus a powerful Dublin side.
And you are calling me smug! ;D
Leitrim, Sligo, Galway or Mayo don't have a forward between them to match the 3 Messis? ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: INDIANA on April 22, 2012, 08:48:02 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 22, 2012, 08:42:34 PM
We're plenty capable of winning a shoot-out, we should have put Mayo away by more and kicked some lazy wides when the game against Sligo became out of reach. I don't see it being a huge scoring game, though, it'll probably resemble more the Ros/Cavan game than the Cork/Dublin game. Any sense that Dublin should win the game will be wiped away very quickly once the game begins.
I dont believe you've a hope in hell of winning a shoot out. If this is an open game of football we'll win with a bit to spare. A-shoot out would be manna from heaven for our lads and our forwards in particular. Its not the best u21 side we've ever had but its definitely the best forward line we've had at this level in my view. Especially with seaver and Dawson on the bench who would walk onto most other county 21 sides.
If Roscommon play a style like the 2010 semi-final they'll have a good chance. Dublin aren't brilliant at the back by any stretch but from numbers 7-15 we're as strong as we've ever been
How much have you actually seen of Roscommon, may I ask? Unless you watched online yesterday you'll only have seen highlights, with the last game we've played being uncharacteristically low-scoring. Roscommon teams have always played positive football, the one thing no Roscommon has ever lack is fundamental skills, our failings have always been in guile and mentality.
It's hugely dangerous to write down any team at u21 level because the turn-over year-on-year and even from January to May is huge. Dublin means something very different at senior level than it does at minor or u21 level, bigger counties have always been more vulnerable at under-age grades.
Dublin, remember, are no more a powerhouse at u21 than Roscommon are, if we win the final we'll have more u21 All-Irelands than you.
Quote from: muppet on April 22, 2012, 08:49:44 PM
Quote from: ross matt on April 22, 2012, 08:41:38 PM
Rossie lads making themselves hostages to fortune here to the smug Mayo Muppet and friends. We may not have the best forward unit in Connacht but in Shine, Kilbride and Cregg I think we have 3 individual forwards who are better than anything else in Connacht. May not be enough to win a Connacht title but I think we have a good chance of beating Galway in the championship. Mayo are the team to beat. Fair play to them and best of luck in the league final but they wont be unbeatable come championship time even in Connacht. The underage success in Roscommon has been consistent in winning provincial titles (apart from the 06 AI) in minor, u-21 and a possibly before its time senior in 2010. I think some of those underage sides didnt have superstars but they maxed out which in itself is a sign of good coaching. The seniors are still quite young but have been competitive in championship for the last 2 seasons regardless of league form. They will be a serious force in the next 2 years I believe even outside of Connacht. For now making an U-21 AI final is a great breakthrough and they've nothing to lose by going for it in the final even if they are up against it versus a powerful Dublin side.
And you are calling me smug! ;D
Leitrim, Sligo, Galway or Mayo don't have a forward between them to match the 3 Messis? ;D ;D ;D ;D
I am. But then again it doesn't seem that long since you spit the dummy out via a baby's middle finger here after you were presented with some realistic analysis when Kerry put paid to your championship hopes again in croker. So dont worry about current condition. It's unlikely to last the season.
Quote from: ross matt on April 22, 2012, 09:05:43 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 22, 2012, 08:49:44 PM
Quote from: ross matt on April 22, 2012, 08:41:38 PM
Rossie lads making themselves hostages to fortune here to the smug Mayo Muppet and friends. We may not have the best forward unit in Connacht but in Shine, Kilbride and Cregg I think we have 3 individual forwards who are better than anything else in Connacht. May not be enough to win a Connacht title but I think we have a good chance of beating Galway in the championship. Mayo are the team to beat. Fair play to them and best of luck in the league final but they wont be unbeatable come championship time even in Connacht. The underage success in Roscommon has been consistent in winning provincial titles (apart from the 06 AI) in minor, u-21 and a possibly before its time senior in 2010. I think some of those underage sides didnt have superstars but they maxed out which in itself is a sign of good coaching. The seniors are still quite young but have been competitive in championship for the last 2 seasons regardless of league form. They will be a serious force in the next 2 years I believe even outside of Connacht. For now making an U-21 AI final is a great breakthrough and they've nothing to lose by going for it in the final even if they are up against it versus a powerful Dublin side.
And you are calling me smug! ;D
Leitrim, Sligo, Galway or Mayo don't have a forward between them to match the 3 Messis? ;D ;D ;D ;D
I am. But then again it doesn't seem that long since you spit the dummy out via a baby's middle finger here after you were presented with some realistic analysis when Kerry put paid to your championship hopes again in croker. So dont worry about current condition. It's unlikely to last the season.
Your post:
Quote from: ross matt on August 23, 2011, 05:15:45 PM
A few of my thoughts....
Embarrassed
that was the thought that was foremost in my mind when i left Croke Park and time hasn't change that so much. Losing an All-Ireland semi-final by 9 pts against a time who are only a shadow of the same team from 4 to 5 years ago can not be viewed in any other light imho. It may sound harsh but i don't find any great solace in reflecting on a positive year.
I wouldnt go as far as saying that you should be embarrrassed Blast but you did hit the nail on the head with the above comment. I expected Mayo to do much better. Especially after improving in every match this year and beating Cork.
I dont think the 9 point margin flatters Kerry at all. They had 2 clear goal chances in the 1st five minutes that would have put them out of sight. Andy Moran had 3 chances but they were'nt as clear cut and I thought he should have taken a point with two of them. Yet I agree with Blast that Kerry are in decline.
I rate Andy very highly but despite him winning alot of ball and scoring 2 points I thought Marc O'Se contained him well. Surely Moran's power and ability to drive with the ball would have been much more useful out around midfield where they were being cleaned ?
Dont get Muppet's issue with the ref either. Mayo constantly fouled cynically. Higgin's and O'Se could easily have walked. The targeting of Galvin when he came in was immature and a total distraction with him having the last laugh with his 2 points at the final whistle.
Maybe I over rated Mayo and Connacht football going in to this match but I expected them to be much closer or even be able to put Kerry away. Its still a year of progress of course but Galway with a decent manager like Mulholland are bound to get their act together next season. No guarantee Mayo or the Rossies will improve on this season but at least Connacht will be very competitive and that in itself will raise the bar.
Here is the thread: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=19932.705 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=19932.705)
"But then again it doesn't seem that long since you spit the dummy out via a baby's middle finger here after you were presented with some realistic analysis when Kerry put paid to your championship hopes again in corker."
I didn't even comment on your 'analysis'.
What on earth are you smoking now you fool? ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: ross matt on April 22, 2012, 08:41:38 PM
Rossie lads making themselves hostages to fortune here to the smug Mayo Muppet and friends.
So you decided to join in with them?
Quote from: ross matt on April 22, 2012, 08:41:38 PM
I am. But then again it doesn't seem that long since you spit the dummy out via a baby's middle finger here after you were presented with some realistic analysis when Kerry put paid to your championship hopes again in croker.
Could you remind us all again when exactly the Rossie seniors last won a championship game in Croke Park?
Quote from: Syferus on April 22, 2012, 08:55:06 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 22, 2012, 08:48:02 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 22, 2012, 08:42:34 PM
We're plenty capable of winning a shoot-out, we should have put Mayo away by more and kicked some lazy wides when the game against Sligo became out of reach. I don't see it being a huge scoring game, though, it'll probably resemble more the Ros/Cavan game than the Cork/Dublin game. Any sense that Dublin should win the game will be wiped away very quickly once the game begins.
I dont believe you've a hope in hell of winning a shoot out. If this is an open game of football we'll win with a bit to spare. A-shoot out would be manna from heaven for our lads and our forwards in particular. Its not the best u21 side we've ever had but its definitely the best forward line we've had at this level in my view. Especially with seaver and Dawson on the bench who would walk onto most other county 21 sides.
If Roscommon play a style like the 2010 semi-final they'll have a good chance. Dublin aren't brilliant at the back by any stretch but from numbers 7-15 we're as strong as we've ever been
How much have you actually seen of Roscommon, may I ask? Unless you watched online yesterday you'll only have seen highlights, with the last game we've played being uncharacteristically low-scoring. Roscommon teams have always played positive football, the one thing no Roscommon has ever lack is fundamental skills, our failings have always been in guile and mentality.
It's hugely dangerous to write down any team at u21 level because the turn-over year-on-year and even from January to May is huge. Dublin means something very different at senior level than it does at minor or u21 level, bigger counties have always been more vulnerable at under-age grades.
Dublin, remember, are no more a powerhouse at u21 than Roscommon are, if we win the final we'll have more u21 All-Irelands than you.
Well other than our u21 all ireland 2 years ago and our 3rd Leinster in 4 years you're right.....! Well no you're actually totally wrong. Theres no guarantee we will win and as our minors showed last Sept that even with buckets of talent unless you have graft and determination & if necessary a little bit of luck you can/will lose a final.
This Dublin team has more individual talent than any of the recent u21 teams we've produced. If they show up and apply themselves they will win.
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Quote from: CorkMan on April 21, 2012, 10:43:41 PM
Who was the Cavan full forward? His two goals were brilliant.
I'm sure you've seen the match, what did you make of the Dubs? Any tips on raiding the capital?
I think they were made look good by our full back line. They have some good players aswell. Ciaran Kilkenny and the full forward, Ryan, I think, looked very sharp.
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on April 22, 2012, 09:40:42 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 22, 2012, 08:55:06 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 22, 2012, 08:48:02 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 22, 2012, 08:42:34 PM
We're plenty capable of winning a shoot-out, we should have put Mayo away by more and kicked some lazy wides when the game against Sligo became out of reach. I don't see it being a huge scoring game, though, it'll probably resemble more the Ros/Cavan game than the Cork/Dublin game. Any sense that Dublin should win the game will be wiped away very quickly once the game begins.
I dont believe you've a hope in hell of winning a shoot out. If this is an open game of football we'll win with a bit to spare. A-shoot out would be manna from heaven for our lads and our forwards in particular. Its not the best u21 side we've ever had but its definitely the best forward line we've had at this level in my view. Especially with seaver and Dawson on the bench who would walk onto most other county 21 sides.
If Roscommon play a style like the 2010 semi-final they'll have a good chance. Dublin aren't brilliant at the back by any stretch but from numbers 7-15 we're as strong as we've ever been
How much have you actually seen of Roscommon, may I ask? Unless you watched online yesterday you'll only have seen highlights, with the last game we've played being uncharacteristically low-scoring. Roscommon teams have always played positive football, the one thing no Roscommon has ever lack is fundamental skills, our failings have always been in guile and mentality.
It's hugely dangerous to write down any team at u21 level because the turn-over year-on-year and even from January to May is huge. Dublin means something very different at senior level than it does at minor or u21 level, bigger counties have always been more vulnerable at under-age grades.
Dublin, remember, are no more a powerhouse at u21 than Roscommon are, if we win the final we'll have more u21 All-Irelands than you.
Well other than our u21 all ireland 2 years ago and our 3rd Leinster in 4 years you're right.....! Well no you're actually totally wrong. Theres no guarantee we will win and as our minors showed last Sept that even with buckets of talent unless you have graft and determination & if necessary a little bit of luck you can/will lose a final.
This Dublin team has more individual talent than any of the recent u21 teams we've produced. If they show up and apply themselves they will win.
Roscommon have two of the last three Connacht titles, losing to Galway, the eventual All-Ireland champions, in the 2011 Connacht final, we've now contest four of the last five provincial finals. Our minors have consistently produced teams that have performed at the highest levels, with last year's minors being beat by Tipp in the semi by almost exactly the same scoreline as Dublin were in the final. If we hadn't took 40 minutes to hit top speed against Tipp this could easily be the second under-age All-Ireland our two counties have contested in less than eight months. If anything we should feel we owe Dublin one after the 2010 u21 semi-final where we under-performed and let Dublin take control of the game in the second half.
There's absolutely no disparity in pedigree between the two counties.
Yeah right!
This is great reading of a Sunday night :)
Quote from: Syferus on April 22, 2012, 09:59:14 PM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on April 22, 2012, 09:40:42 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 22, 2012, 08:55:06 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 22, 2012, 08:48:02 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 22, 2012, 08:42:34 PM
We're plenty capable of winning a shoot-out, we should have put Mayo away by more and kicked some lazy wides when the game against Sligo became out of reach. I don't see it being a huge scoring game, though, it'll probably resemble more the Ros/Cavan game than the Cork/Dublin game. Any sense that Dublin should win the game will be wiped away very quickly once the game begins.
I dont believe you've a hope in hell of winning a shoot out. If this is an open game of football we'll win with a bit to spare. A-shoot out would be manna from heaven for our lads and our forwards in particular. Its not the best u21 side we've ever had but its definitely the best forward line we've had at this level in my view. Especially with seaver and Dawson on the bench who would walk onto most other county 21 sides.
If Roscommon play a style like the 2010 semi-final they'll have a good chance. Dublin aren't brilliant at the back by any stretch but from numbers 7-15 we're as strong as we've ever been
How much have you actually seen of Roscommon, may I ask? Unless you watched online yesterday you'll only have seen highlights, with the last game we've played being uncharacteristically low-scoring. Roscommon teams have always played positive football, the one thing no Roscommon has ever lack is fundamental skills, our failings have always been in guile and mentality.
It's hugely dangerous to write down any team at u21 level because the turn-over year-on-year and even from January to May is huge. Dublin means something very different at senior level than it does at minor or u21 level, bigger counties have always been more vulnerable at under-age grades.
Dublin, remember, are no more a powerhouse at u21 than Roscommon are, if we win the final we'll have more u21 All-Irelands than you.
Well other than our u21 all ireland 2 years ago and our 3rd Leinster in 4 years you're right.....! Well no you're actually totally wrong. Theres no guarantee we will win and as our minors showed last Sept that even with buckets of talent unless you have graft and determination & if necessary a little bit of luck you can/will lose a final.
This Dublin team has more individual talent than any of the recent u21 teams we've produced. If they show up and apply themselves they will win.
Roscommon have two of the last three Connacht titles, losing to Galway, the eventual All-Ireland champions, in the 2011 Connacht final, we've now contest four of the last five provincial finals. Our minors have consistently produced teams that have performed at the highest levels, with last year's minors being beat by Tipp in the semi by almost exactly the same scoreline as Dublin were in the final. If we hadn't took 40 minutes to hit top speed against Tipp this could easily be the second under-age All-Ireland our two counties have contested in less than eight months. If anything we should feel we owe Dublin one after the 2010 u21 semi-final where we under-performed and let Dublin take control of the game in the second half.
There's absolutely no disparity in pedigree between the two counties.
Do we have to put the roll of honour up ;D
At Under 21 level?
Fire ahead!!!!
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If anything we should feel we owe Dublin one after the 2010 u21 semi-final where we under-performed and let Dublin take control of the game in the second half.
You thought we under performed? was a woeful start not helped by a poor ref but with Donal Shine in midfield we were well on top after that.. truth be known it was our forward line that let us down that day. That Dublin team was nowhere near the level their current team is even INDIANA tipped us to win before that game.
Quote from: ross4life on April 22, 2012, 11:15:36 PM
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If anything we should feel we owe Dublin one after the 2010 u21 semi-final where we under-performed and let Dublin take control of the game in the second half.
You thought we under performed? was a woeful start not helped by a poor ref but with Donal Shine in midfield we were well on top after that.. truth be known it was our forward line that let us down that day. That Dublin team was nowhere near the level their current team is even INDIANA tipped us to win before that game.
The players we had that year had the capability to win the All-Ireland, we had most of the 2006 minor winners as well as some of the 2009 team including, of course, Cathal Shine. I love the balance of the current team, though, every player is a tidy footballer and they rarely do stupid things. When you've got players like Cafferky, Daly (x2), Brogan, Shine, Smith and Compton there's no point in thinking we're inferior to anyone, these guys have shown great skill, intelligence and courage so far.
It's important to note only the eventual All-Ireland champions have beat us the past two years at u21 level, this is a set-up that's been there or there abouts for quite a while in u21 terms. They won't be looking at Dublin as anything other than a team to beat so they can collect some Celtic Crosses, like you've said, alot of our panel will know a good portion of the Dublin panel from college so they're not going to be buying into the un-stoppable machine syndrome that's floating around.
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Quote from: ross matt on April 22, 2012, 08:41:38 PM
Rossie lads making themselves hostages to fortune here to the smug Mayo Muppet and friends.
So you decided to join in with them?
Quote from: ross matt on April 22, 2012, 08:41:38 PM
I am. But then again it doesn't seem that long since you spit the dummy out via a baby's middle finger here after you were presented with some realistic analysis when Kerry put paid to your championship hopes again in croker.
Could you remind us all again when exactly the Rossie seniors last won a championship game in Croke Park?
Nothing got to do with what I was talking about and the post wasn't addressed to you.
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Quote from: ross matt on April 22, 2012, 09:05:43 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 22, 2012, 08:49:44 PM
Quote from: ross matt on April 22, 2012, 08:41:38 PM
Rossie lads making themselves hostages to fortune here to the smug Mayo Muppet and friends. We may not have the best forward unit in Connacht but in Shine, Kilbride and Cregg I think we have 3 individual forwards who are better than anything else in Connacht. May not be enough to win a Connacht title but I think we have a good chance of beating Galway in the championship. Mayo are the team to beat. Fair play to them and best of luck in the league final but they wont be unbeatable come championship time even in Connacht. The underage success in Roscommon has been consistent in winning provincial titles (apart from the 06 AI) in minor, u-21 and a possibly before its time senior in 2010. I think some of those underage sides didnt have superstars but they maxed out which in itself is a sign of good coaching. The seniors are still quite young but have been competitive in championship for the last 2 seasons regardless of league form. They will be a serious force in the next 2 years I believe even outside of Connacht. For now making an U-21 AI final is a great breakthrough and they've nothing to lose by going for it in the final even if they are up against it versus a powerful Dublin side.
And you are calling me smug! ;D
Leitrim, Sligo, Galway or Mayo don't have a forward between them to match the 3 Messis? ;D ;D ;D ;D
I am. But then again it doesn't seem that long since you spit the dummy out via a baby's middle finger here after you were presented with some realistic analysis when Kerry put paid to your championship hopes again in croker. So dont worry about current condition. It's unlikely to last the season.
Your post:
Quote from: ross matt on August 23, 2011, 05:15:45 PM
A few of my thoughts....
Embarrassed
that was the thought that was foremost in my mind when i left Croke Park and time hasn't change that so much. Losing an All-Ireland semi-final by 9 pts against a time who are only a shadow of the same team from 4 to 5 years ago can not be viewed in any other light imho. It may sound harsh but i don't find any great solace in reflecting on a positive year.
I wouldnt go as far as saying that you should be embarrrassed Blast but you did hit the nail on the head with the above comment. I expected Mayo to do much better. Especially after improving in every match this year and beating Cork.
I dont think the 9 point margin flatters Kerry at all. They had 2 clear goal chances in the 1st five minutes that would have put them out of sight. Andy Moran had 3 chances but they were'nt as clear cut and I thought he should have taken a point with two of them. Yet I agree with Blast that Kerry are in decline.
I rate Andy very highly but despite him winning alot of ball and scoring 2 points I thought Marc O'Se contained him well. Surely Moran's power and ability to drive with the ball would have been much more useful out around midfield where they were being cleaned ?
Dont get Muppet's issue with the ref either. Mayo constantly fouled cynically. Higgin's and O'Se could easily have walked. The targeting of Galvin when he came in was immature and a total distraction with him having the last laugh with his 2 points at the final whistle.
Maybe I over rated Mayo and Connacht football going in to this match but I expected them to be much closer or even be able to put Kerry away. Its still a year of progress of course but Galway with a decent manager like Mulholland are bound to get their act together next season. No guarantee Mayo or the Rossies will improve on this season but at least Connacht will be very competitive and that in itself will raise the bar.
Here is the thread: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=19932.705 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=19932.705)
"But then again it doesn't seem that long since you spit the dummy out via a baby's middle finger here after you were presented with some realistic analysis when Kerry put paid to your championship hopes again in corker."
I didn't even comment on your 'analysis'.
What on earth are you smoking now you fool? ;D ;D ;D ;D
Name calling and accusations of drug taking? God the smug mask is slipping already and you guys haven't even exited the championship yet. You were probably inebriated from drowning your sorrows yet again but you know exactly the post you sent me in response to my post that night. And if you say you dont then I'll have to drop to your level in the name calling stakes and call you out for the liar that you are. Go did out some more of your historical posts... "Muppet"....(smiley face .. smiley face etc)
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The players we had that year had the capability to win the All-Ireland, we had most of the 2006 minor winners as well as some of the 2009 team including, of course, Cathal Shine. I love the balance of the current team, though, every player is a tidy footballer and they rarely do stupid things. When you've got players like Cafferky, Daly (x2), Brogan, Shine, Smith and Compton there's no point in thinking we're inferior to anyone, these guys have shown great skill, intelligence and courage so far.
Most of the 2006 minor winners was on the 2008 or 09 teams Mayo stopped us with a couple of lucky wins. When i watched Kerry win the 2008 U-21 AI with a lot of the minor players we defeated, it certainly showed we had capability to do better than we did.
Our current team is better than 2010 team but like i said already so is Dublin.
Quote from: ross matt on April 22, 2012, 11:55:14 PM
Name calling and accusations of drug taking? God the smug mask is slipping already and you guys haven't even exited the championship yet. You were probably inebriated from drowning your sorrows yet again but you know exactly the post you sent me in response to my post that night. And if you say you dont then I'll have to drop to your level in the name calling stakes and call you out for the liar that you are. Go did out some more of your historical posts... "Muppet"....(smiley face .. smiley face etc)
Not only do I not know, but you don't know either you fool.
Here are all of my posts for a week after that game:
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51;area=showposts;start=2340 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51;area=showposts;start=2340)
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51;area=showposts;start=2325 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51;area=showposts;start=2325)
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51;area=showposts;start=2310 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51;area=showposts;start=2310)
One single post directed at you and funnily enough it is a million miles from your description of it:
Quote from: muppet on August 24, 2011, 11:25:03 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 24, 2011, 11:23:06 PM
Quote from: ross matt on August 24, 2011, 11:18:19 PM
Quote from: ludermor on August 24, 2011, 10:39:35 PM
ah jasus....
....Christ...
Super.....
Cally...
Now, given the conclusive proof, I take it you will apologise for calling me a liar?
Quote from: muppet on April 23, 2012, 12:11:25 AM
Quote from: ross matt on April 22, 2012, 11:55:14 PM
Name calling and accusations of drug taking? God the smug mask is slipping already and you guys haven't even exited the championship yet. You were probably inebriated from drowning your sorrows yet again but you know exactly the post you sent me in response to my post that night. And if you say you dont then I'll have to drop to your level in the name calling stakes and call you out for the liar that you are. Go did out some more of your historical posts... "Muppet"....(smiley face .. smiley face etc)
Not only do I not know, but you don't know either you fool.
Here are all of my posts for a week after that game:
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51;area=showposts;start=2340 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51;area=showposts;start=2340)
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51;area=showposts;start=2325 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51;area=showposts;start=2325)
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51;area=showposts;start=2310 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51;area=showposts;start=2310)
One single post directed at you and funnily enough it is a million miles from your description of it:
Quote from: muppet on August 24, 2011, 11:25:03 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 24, 2011, 11:23:06 PM
Quote from: ross matt on August 24, 2011, 11:18:19 PM
Quote from: ludermor on August 24, 2011, 10:39:35 PM
ah jasus....
....Christ...
Super.....
Cally...
Now, given the conclusive proof, I take it you will apologise for calling me a liar?
Quote from: muppet on April 23, 2012, 12:11:25 AM
Quote from: ross matt on April 22, 2012, 11:55:14 PM
Name calling and accusations of drug taking? God the smug mask is slipping already and you guys haven't even exited the championship yet. You were probably inebriated from drowning your sorrows yet again but you know exactly the post you sent me in response to my post that night. And if you say you dont then I'll have to drop to your level in the name calling stakes and call you out for the liar that you are. Go did out some more of your historical posts... "Muppet"....(smiley face .. smiley face etc)
Not only do I not know, but you don't know either you fool.
Here are all of my posts for a week after that game:
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51;area=showposts;start=2340 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51;area=showposts;start=2340)
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51;area=showposts;start=2325 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51;area=showposts;start=2325)
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51;area=showposts;start=2310 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51;area=showposts;start=2310)
One single post directed at you and funnily enough it is a million miles from your description of it:
Quote from: muppet on August 24, 2011, 11:25:03 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 24, 2011, 11:23:06 PM
Quote from: ross matt on August 24, 2011, 11:18:19 PM
Quote from: ludermor on August 24, 2011, 10:39:35 PM
ah jasus....
....Christ...
Super.....
Cally...
Now, given the conclusive proof, I take it you will apologise for calling me a liar?
Still with name calling? Christ muppet the mask is really slipping.... even for a Rossie hater like you. Do you know really not recall what you sent me that night or are you really a liar as well as an actual muppet? Go to bed. Sober up and have another recall in the morning. You're so rattled right now it's unfair to pick on you anymore.
QUICK! Run at him, go for goal! Finish him!
Quote from: ross matt on April 23, 2012, 12:25:26 AM
Still with name calling? Christ muppet the mask is really slipping.... even for a Rossie hater like you. Do you know really not recall what you sent me that night or are you really a liar as well as an actual muppet? Go to bed. Sober up and have another recall in the morning. You're so rattled right now it's unfair to pick on you anymore.
Sober up yourself.
You are the one rattled about a post from August 2011 that doesn't even appear to exist. I have provided links to my posts from that week and you have provided nothing.
Anyway back to the question that caused Ross Matt to throw his toys out of the perambulator.
QuoteLeitrim, Sligo, Galway or Mayo don't have a forward between them to match the 3 Messis?
Best watch your back Muppet, we've made good friends with our D3 breathern from Meath and once they vote on it they'll have a full-page ad of Colm Coyle's mug in all the nationals.
Quote from: Syferus on April 23, 2012, 12:46:42 AM
Best watch your back Muppet, we've made good friends with our D3 breathern from Meath and once they vote on it they'll have a full-page ad of Colm Coyle's mug in all the nationals.
A team with the best 3 Messis in Connacht, + 3 other forwards no worse than the net best in connacht in Connacht (Micheál Meehan presumably), + the best 6 backs, is in D3?
Your goalkeeper and midfielders must be wojus altogether.
As if having 2 teams in an All-Ireland final taking themselves up isn't refreshing and entertaining enough, we have a good aul Mayo-Ros scrap thrown into the mix as well.
Might stuff !
Quote from: muppet on April 23, 2012, 12:56:28 AM
Quote from: Syferus on April 23, 2012, 12:46:42 AM
Best watch your back Muppet, we've made good friends with our D3 breathern from Meath and once they vote on it they'll have a full-page ad of Colm Coyle's mug in all the nationals.
A team with the best 3 Messis in Connacht, + 3 other forwards no worse than the net best in connacht in Connacht (Micheál Meehan presumably), + the best 6 backs, is in D3?
Your goalkeeper and midfielders must be wojus altogether.
We've got the heir to the Claff-miester empire of Mid-West Radio in goal, nothing's getting by him, especially not the Thriller.
(http://www.inpho.ie/cache/inpho/a9/8a/fb/67c57e0b020c40727daaca2de6eb2efd66f9b62da4/INPHO_00324726.jpg)
Let me get this straight. Two counties neither of which has won an All-Ireland since the advent of electricity arguing about who has the most lethal set of forwards. Sorry that's like two bald men arguing over a comb. Cop on lads.
Quote from: NetNitrate on April 23, 2012, 03:21:25 AM
Let me get this straight. Two counties neither of which has won an All-Ireland since the advent of electricity arguing about who has the most lethal set of forwards. Sorry that's like two bald men arguing over a comb. Cop on lads.
The toll for entry into this conversation is a fiver into the Mayo-Roscommon Hospice collection bucket, if you don't pay in you're not allowed to attempt trolling. :-*
It's going to be a long two weeks.
Quote from: NetNitrate on April 23, 2012, 03:21:25 AM
Let me get this straight. Two counties neither of which has won an All-Ireland since the advent of electricity arguing about who has the most lethal set of forwards. Sorry that's like two bald men arguing over a comb. Cop on lads.
You didn't get it straight at all.
It is one county saying they have the most lethal set of forwards.
Well done to the Rossies. It wasn't a vintage game but semi finals are there to be won , there's no winner's medals handed out just because one team was more impressive in their semi final victory than the other. I have to say this Rosscommon team were very well set up tactically and stifled/suffocated Cavan from the off just as they have been doing throughout the connacht cahmpionship ( as my own county found out in the semi!). Was really impressed with their workrate all through the game especially in the half backs.
Definitely think Cafferkey , Conor Daly ,Shine ,Compton and Smith are ready for the seniors. An inside line of Donie Smith , Compton and Senan Kilbride could do serious damage against Galway in May.
Those 3 might even scrape onto the Mayo juniors provided ther was a serious injury crisis! ;)
Whatever chance our U21s have of bringing further glory to our wonderful County ( and it's probably slim enough realistically) The Senior team will be doing very well to avoid 2 straight defeats in the Championships.
We really were poor v Longford and Wexford , the 2 middlin sides in Div 3 .
We might just catch Galway on the day but it's a big MIGHT and the qualifiers progress will be totally dependent on when we draw a big County.
As for some of the lads on here... easy to get carried a biteen away on the back of winning an All Ireland Semi Final .
Quote from: Rossfan on April 23, 2012, 11:58:44 AM
Whatever chance our U21s have of bringing further glory to our wonderful County ( and it's probably slim enough realistically) The Senior team will be doing very well to avoid 2 straight defeats in the Championships.
We really were poor v Longford and Wexford , the 2 middlin sides in Div 3 .
We might just catch Galway on the day but it's a big MIGHT and the qualifiers progress will be totally dependent on when we draw a big County.
As for some of the lads on here... easy to get carried a biteen away on the back of winning an All Ireland Semi Final .
Saying Cregg, Kilbride and Shine are among the top six forwards in Connacht has absolutely nothing to do with winning an u21 semi-final.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 23, 2012, 11:58:44 AM
Whatever chance our U21s have of bringing further glory to our wonderful County ( and it's probably slim enough realistically) The Senior team will be doing very well to avoid 2 straight defeats in the Championships.
We really were poor v Longford and Wexford , the 2 middlin sides in Div 3 .
We might just catch Galway on the day but it's a big MIGHT and the qualifiers progress will be totally dependent on when we draw a big County.
As for some of the lads on here... easy to get carried a biteen away on the back of winning an All Ireland Semi Final .
I hear what you're saying Rossfan and while I wouldn't agree with the best six forwards in Connacht talk I do think this is a very well balanced team with a few excellent individual talents e.g. Daly, Smith, Compton and while the Dubs seemingly steam rolled their way to the final, finals can do funny things to teams. Also why not get a bit carried away for the final you're a proud passionate football mad county who has made solid progress year on year especially at underage level and you deserve a big date out for your efforts!
Also I think you have a great shot against a relatively young inexperienced Galway side many of whom won't have been in the Hyde in the heat of senior championship football. I wouldn't be overly concerned with your league form either due to the fact you had a new manager , were missing the lads in the club championship and seemed to have a crippling injury list. Mayo nearly went all the way in 96 and we were in Division 3. From the outside looking in the Rossies have been building steadily from the ground up over the last decade and with such a solid foundation in place (and the dark days of Tommy Carr/ John Maughan well and truly erased) life is going to be very interesting here in the west over the next few years. Junk status me whole!!!!
Dublin in another underage All Ireland final. Shows what 7 million euro can buy you.
In the 20 years prior to receiving the cash bonanza they appeared in 5 underage All Irelands, hurling and football.
Since then they've been in 6 and counting! You can see the real effects of the money shining through recently with 5 of those finals since 2010.
No one ever mentions the cash injection though. It's existence has being ignored. Not many people even know about it.
WHY IS ONE COUNTY ALLOWED TO BUY ALL IRELANDS?
Quote from: Dont Matter on April 23, 2012, 01:04:15 PM
Dublin in another underage All Ireland final. Shows what 7 million euro can buy you.
In the 20 years prior to receiving the cash bonanza they appeared in 5 underage All Irelands, hurling and football.
Since then they've been in 6 and counting! You can see the real effects of the money shining through recently with 5 of those finals since 2010.
No one ever mentions the cash injection though. It's existence has being ignored. Not many people even know about it.
WHY IS ONE COUNTY ALLOWED TO BUY ALL IRELANDS?
The door is to the left.
Quote from: muppet on April 23, 2012, 09:40:51 AM
Quote from: NetNitrate on April 23, 2012, 03:21:25 AM
Let me get this straight. Two counties neither of which has won an All-Ireland since the advent of electricity arguing about who has the most lethal set of forwards. Sorry that's like two bald men arguing over a comb. Cop on lads.
You didn't get it straight at all.
It is one county saying they have the most lethal set of forwards.
Wrong. It started with one Mayo's fan opinion you needed four natural scoring forwards to compete at senior level even though his own county got to All Ireland finals with about two natural scoring forwards.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 22, 2012, 08:48:02 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 22, 2012, 08:42:34 PM
We're plenty capable of winning a shoot-out, we should have put Mayo away by more and kicked some lazy wides when the game against Sligo became out of reach. I don't see it being a huge scoring game, though, it'll probably resemble more the Ros/Cavan game than the Cork/Dublin game. Any sense that Dublin should win the game will be wiped away very quickly once the game begins.
I dont believe you've a hope in hell of winning a shoot out. If this is an open game of football we'll win with a bit to spare. A-shoot out would be manna from heaven for our lads and our forwards in particular. Its not the best u21 side we've ever had but its definitely the best forward line we've had at this level in my view. Especially with seaver and Dawson on the bench who would walk onto most other county 21 sides.
If Roscommon play a style like the 2010 semi-final they'll have a good chance. Dublin aren't brilliant at the back by any stretch but from numbers 7-15 we're as strong as we've ever been
That's the only way I can see Roscommon winning the final by attacking the back line and keeping the ball in there. Westmeath dominated them when they upped the intensity and attacked them high up the pitch, their Achilles heel. From 7 up though is formidable and provided the hype doesn't get to them they should ensure victory in the final. Worryingly for Roscommon, the key man for Dublin after Ciaran Kilkenny is Jim Galvin. He knew we were slow starters and attacked us from the off and were 1-3 up before we knew what hit us. We pulled it back to 2 by the break by pinning them back. However he saw we were susceptible to the high ball and it was like the blitzkrieg back there as they proceeded to bombard us with ball in over the top in the second half. They made hay and the goals killed us, beware Roscommon.
Quote from: ross4life on April 23, 2012, 01:52:13 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 23, 2012, 09:40:51 AM
Quote from: NetNitrate on April 23, 2012, 03:21:25 AM
Let me get this straight. Two counties neither of which has won an All-Ireland since the advent of electricity arguing about who has the most lethal set of forwards. Sorry that's like two bald men arguing over a comb. Cop on lads.
You didn't get it straight at all.
It is one county saying they have the most lethal set of forwards.
Wrong. It started with one Mayo's fan opinion you needed four natural scoring forwards to compete at senior level even though his own county got to All Ireland finals with about two natural scoring forwards.
Your point does not change the fact that a number of Rossies here have been saying they have the 3 most lethal forwards in Connacht.
Dublin have been scoring over 20 points per game if that trend continues Roscommon will be lucky to get within 5 points.
Quote from: muppet on April 23, 2012, 03:40:42 PM
Quote from: ross4life on April 23, 2012, 01:52:13 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 23, 2012, 09:40:51 AM
Quote from: NetNitrate on April 23, 2012, 03:21:25 AM
Let me get this straight. Two counties neither of which has won an All-Ireland since the advent of electricity arguing about who has the most lethal set of forwards. Sorry that's like two bald men arguing over a comb. Cop on lads.
You didn't get it straight at all.
It is one county saying they have the most lethal set of forwards.
Wrong. It started with one Mayo's fan opinion you needed four natural scoring forwards to compete at senior level even though his own county got to All Ireland finals with about two natural scoring forwards.
Your point does not change the fact that a number of Rossies here have been saying they have the 3 most lethal forwards in Connacht.
The point put across was we have natural scorers. Take a look at Wexford,Longford both have forwards as good as others in leinster but will that be good enough to beat Kildare or Dublin? probably not.
Quote from: ross4life on April 23, 2012, 03:51:00 PM
The point put across was we have natural scorers. Take a look at Wexford,Longford both have forwards as good as others in leinster but will that be good enough to beat Kildare or Dublin? probably not.
This was precisely the point put across:
QuoteQuote from: ross matt on April 22, 2012, 08:41:38 PM
We may not have the best forward unit in Connacht but in Shine, Kilbride and Cregg I think we have 3 individual forwards who are better than anything else in Connacht.
Quote from: muppet on April 23, 2012, 03:40:42 PM
Quote from: ross4life on April 23, 2012, 01:52:13 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 23, 2012, 09:40:51 AM
Quote from: NetNitrate on April 23, 2012, 03:21:25 AM
Let me get this straight. Two counties neither of which has won an All-Ireland since the advent of electricity arguing about who has the most lethal set of forwards. Sorry that's like two bald men arguing over a comb. Cop on lads.
You didn't get it straight at all.
It is one county saying they have the most lethal set of forwards.
Wrong. It started with one Mayo's fan opinion you needed four natural scoring forwards to compete at senior level even though his own county got to All Ireland finals with about two natural scoring forwards.
Your point does not change the fact that a number of Rossies here have been saying they have the 3 most lethal forwards in Connacht.
Aren't we all forgetting the Thriller, sure he's worth at least seven forwards by himself..
There is no chance imo of dublin winning this easy, roscommon dont concede much. The dub/cork game was very open and loose, roscommon will not afford dublin near the same space. I could see roscommon frustrating dublin to the point of making it a close game. Not sure if roscommon can get enough ball to their inside line though. Should be interesting.
Quote from: muppet on April 23, 2012, 03:53:56 PM
Quote from: ross4life on April 23, 2012, 03:51:00 PM
The point put across was we have natural scorers. Take a look at Wexford,Longford both have forwards as good as others in leinster but will that be good enough to beat Kildare or Dublin? probably not.
This was precisely the point put across:
QuoteQuote from: ross matt on April 22, 2012, 08:41:38 PM
We may not have the best forward unit in Connacht but in Shine, Kilbride and Cregg I think we have 3 individual forwards who are better than anything else in Connacht.
In fairness that was complete fantasy island stuff alright.
Quote from: muppet on April 23, 2012, 03:53:56 PM
Quote from: ross4life on April 23, 2012, 03:51:00 PM
The point put across was we have natural scorers. Take a look at Wexford,Longford both have forwards as good as others in leinster but will that be good enough to beat Kildare or Dublin? probably not.
This was precisely the point put across:
QuoteQuote from: ross matt on April 22, 2012, 08:41:38 PM
We may not have the best forward unit in Connacht but in Shine, Kilbride and Cregg I think we have 3 individual forwards who are better than anything else in Connacht.
Your last point "the fact that a number of Rossies" I didn't realise ross matt spoke for all of us?
Anyways the Mayo lad that put the dig in at least he congratulated us for reaching the U21 final care to do likewise?
How many fuball all Irelands have Ros won between senior, minor, u21 and club ?
Quote from: seafoid on April 23, 2012, 04:56:09 PM
How many fuball all Irelands have Ros won between senior, minor, u21 and club ?
As far as I know we don't have a county team for table-top soccer. ;)
Quote from: seafoid on April 23, 2012, 04:56:09 PM
How many fuball all Irelands have Ros won between senior, minor, u21 and club ?
Never won club but not for the want of trying.
Our record vs the so called big two in Connacht is decent for a small county.
SeniorGalway 9
Mayo 3
Roscommon 2
Under 21 Galway 4
Mayo 4
Roscommon 2
Minor Galway 6
Mayo 6
Roscommon 4
Quote from: ross4life on April 23, 2012, 05:10:57 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 23, 2012, 04:56:09 PM
How many fuball all Irelands have Ros won between senior, minor, u21 and club ?
Never won club but not for the want of trying.
Our record vs the so called big two in Connacht is decent for a small county.
Senior
Galway 9
Mayo 3
Roscommon 2
Under 21
Galway 4
Mayo 4
Roscommon 2
Minor
Galway 6
Mayo 6
Roscommon 4
Thanks. That's a pretty good haul considering the size of the population.
Quote from: ross4life on April 23, 2012, 04:50:56 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 23, 2012, 03:53:56 PM
Quote from: ross4life on April 23, 2012, 03:51:00 PM
The point put across was we have natural scorers. Take a look at Wexford,Longford both have forwards as good as others in leinster but will that be good enough to beat Kildare or Dublin? probably not.
This was precisely the point put across:
QuoteQuote from: ross matt on April 22, 2012, 08:41:38 PM
We may not have the best forward unit in Connacht but in Shine, Kilbride and Cregg I think we have 3 individual forwards who are better than anything else in Connacht.
Your last point "the fact that a number of Rossies" I didn't realise ross matt spoke for all of us?
Anyways the Mayo lad that put the dig in at least he congratulated us for reaching the U21 final care to do likewise?
I have no problem congratulating a fellow Connacht team on success outside the province and I honestly hope they win the Final.
The final has been confirmed for Tullamore, 2pm, May 5th. Absolutely fabulous for Roscommon supporters, hopefully everyone will turn out now that the AI final is so near. What level of support will Dublin bring?
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 23, 2012, 04:42:36 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 23, 2012, 03:53:56 PM
Quote from: ross4life on April 23, 2012, 03:51:00 PM
The point put across was we have natural scorers. Take a look at Wexford,Longford both have forwards as good as others in leinster but will that be good enough to beat Kildare or Dublin? probably not.
This was precisely the point put across:
QuoteQuote from: ross matt on April 22, 2012, 08:41:38 PM
We may not have the best forward unit in Connacht but in Shine, Kilbride and Cregg I think we have 3 individual forwards who are better than anything else in Connacht.
In fairness that was complete fantasy island stuff alright.
Really? Is it? You do know Ja is retired dont you?
That's it! Let's fekkin' decimate them mentally and we'll walk through them on the field!
Where's Kevin at? Oh, Sligo, I see.
Sean Og? Ha!
The Michaels, Meehan and Donnellan?
At least you still have Joe.
(I apologise in advance.)
I thought all you Connacht lads would get behind the Rossies.
Where's the love?
Quote from: Jinxy on April 23, 2012, 07:37:24 PM
I thought all you Connacht lads would get behind the Rossies.
Where's the love?
A particularly bad session in The Fiddler's Elbow in Ballagh after the 2006 Ros/Mayo dual AI bids led to an end of AI truces.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 23, 2012, 07:37:24 PM
I thought all you Connacht lads would get behind the Rossies.
Where's the love?
I hope they beat the Dubs but it's one thing saying that and another believing that they have the 3 best forwards in Connacht. Sure when we were winning All-Ireland's I don't even think we had the 3 best forwards in Connacht.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 23, 2012, 04:24:31 PM
There is no chance imo of dublin winning this easy, roscommon dont concede much. The dub/cork game was very open and loose, roscommon will not afford dublin near the same space. I could see roscommon frustrating dublin to the point of making it a close game. Not sure if roscommon can get enough ball to their inside line though. Should be interesting.
Have to agree with Sligonian (jeez there's an unusual sentence :o) , the rossie's defence has impressed me in this championship and if the can isolate Smith and Compton inside supplied with quick accurate ball they'll be right in it. The Dubs will be favorites no doubt but not by much and if the rossies get a early goal it could really set the cat amongst the pigeons. They might have been a few verbals from my fellow county men the last couple of days but come the final we'll all be roaring you on to victory well I'll will be anyway.
Quote from: Syferus on April 23, 2012, 06:55:11 PM
The final has been confirmed for Tullamore, 2pm, May 5th. Absolutely fabulous for Roscommon supporters, hopefully everyone will turn out now that the AI final is so near. What level of support will Dublin bring?
May 6th you mean?
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 23, 2012, 08:04:20 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 23, 2012, 07:37:24 PM
I thought all you Connacht lads would get behind the Rossies.
Where's the love?
I hope they beat the Dubs but it's one thing saying that and another believing that they have the 3 best forwards in Connacht. Sure when we were winning All-Ireland's I don't even think we had the 3 best forwards in Connacht.
How very modest. Galway's forward lines that won those All Ireland's in 1998,2001 was every bit as good as any i have witnessed.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 23, 2012, 08:04:20 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 23, 2012, 07:37:24 PM
I thought all you Connacht lads would get behind the Rossies.
Where's the love?
I hope they beat the Dubs but it's one thing saying that and another believing that they have the 3 best forwards in Connacht. Sure when we were winning All-Ireland's I don't even think we had the 3 best forwards in Connacht.
Only one person said they were the three best. What everyone else said was they were three of the top six scoring forwards in the province. The only other players that'd be in that picture for me would be Mort, Joyce, David Kelly, and maybe Andy Moran, who I think is easily one of the very best forwards in the country, but it's debatable if he could be classified as a 'natural scorer'.
I'd think the only players outside of that that have shown a natural touch are Cillian O'Connor (mostly from placed balls), Adrian Marren, Alan Costello, Nicky Joyce and Sean Armstrong. The idea that Cregg, Shine and Kilbride are every bit in the same echelon as any of the players listed isn't far-fetched at all.
Quote from: ross4life on April 23, 2012, 08:23:17 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 23, 2012, 06:55:11 PM
The final has been confirmed for Tullamore, 2pm, May 5th. Absolutely fabulous for Roscommon supporters, hopefully everyone will turn out now that the AI final is so near. What level of support will Dublin bring?
May 6th you mean?
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 23, 2012, 08:04:20 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 23, 2012, 07:37:24 PM
I thought all you Connacht lads would get behind the Rossies.
Where's the love?
I hope they beat the Dubs but it's one thing saying that and another believing that they have the 3 best forwards in Connacht. Sure when we were winning All-Ireland's I don't even think we had the 3 best forwards in Connacht.
How very modest. Galway's forward lines that won those All Ireland's in 1998,2001 was every bit as good as any i have witnessed.
afaik the final has been fixed for the 5th for at least the last week.what makes you think it's the 6th?
if dublin bring the same sort of support they brought to the u21 final 2 years ago the rossies will easily outnumber them 2/1.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 23, 2012, 08:04:20 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 23, 2012, 07:37:24 PM
I thought all you Connacht lads would get behind the Rossies.
Where's the love?
I hope they beat the Dubs but it's one thing saying that and another believing that they have the 3 best forwards in Connacht. Sure when we were winning All-Ireland's I don't even think we had the 3 best forwards in Connacht.
The 3 fashtest maybe.
Dougal, the final was fixed for May 5th when the U21 fixtures first came out but now it's on GAA.ie for May 6th & our own website has the same date.
Quote from: ross4life on April 23, 2012, 08:40:32 PM
Dougal, the final was fixed for May 5th when the U21 fixtures first came out but now it's on GAA.ie for May 6th & our own website has the same date.
So it's Sunday now? Strange that they'd switch the final to Sunday, even if it is a bank holiday weekend. I can't wait for a replay of one of this weekend's NFL finals to push us off the live schedule again, if that's the case!
Quote from: ross4life on April 23, 2012, 08:23:17 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 23, 2012, 06:55:11 PM
The final has been confirmed for Tullamore, 2pm, May 5th. Absolutely fabulous for Roscommon supporters, hopefully everyone will turn out now that the AI final is so near. What level of support will Dublin bring?
May 6th you mean?
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 23, 2012, 08:04:20 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 23, 2012, 07:37:24 PM
I thought all you Connacht lads would get behind the Rossies.
Where's the love?
I hope they beat the Dubs but it's one thing saying that and another believing that they have the 3 best forwards in Connacht. Sure when we were winning All-Ireland's I don't even think we had the 3 best forwards in Connacht.
How very modest. Galway's forward lines that won those All Ireland's in 1998,2001 was every bit as good as any i have witnessed.
Oh they were good alright but Ciaran McDonald was still in Mayo so you would have had to have him in the top 3 at least.
Joyce in my opinion the best forward I've ever seen and I include Canavan and Maurice Fitz.
Ja? Definitely the best forward in the country by the end of '98..
Mikey D? Do we really have to explain that one?
Savage?
Thats not even mentioning Finnegan...
Between 98/01 they were among the best forwards in the country never mind Connacht.
Kilbride, Shine & Cregg have done the business in Croker against very good defences like Tyrone's and Cork over the last 2 years. I was at the Tyrone game last year and defenders the calibre of Mcmahon.... Gormley etc found them difficult to hold.
I think Andy Moran is a brilliant footballer and leader. But I dont think he is an out and out scoring forward. Mort blows hot and cold. Padraig Joyce is still brilliant but surely no longer for 70min of top class football.
I think the 3 Rossie's I've named would cause problems for any backline. We dont have the midfield and our defenders are no where near as good as Mayo's. But time will tell. If they have everyone back fit and ready for the championship I think Roscommon have an outside chance of a senior connacht title or at least a good run in the qualifiers.
Quote from: Dont Matter on April 23, 2012, 01:04:15 PM
Dublin in another underage All Ireland final. Shows what 7 million euro can buy you.
In the 20 years prior to receiving the cash bonanza they appeared in 5 underage All Irelands, hurling and football.
Since then they've been in 6 and counting! You can see the real effects of the money shining through recently with 5 of those finals since 2010.
No one ever mentions the cash injection though. It's existence has being ignored. Not many people even know about it.
WHY IS ONE COUNTY ALLOWED TO BUY ALL IRELANDS?
4m revenue per championship game in Croke Park. I'd love to know how many of your development teams of yours our fans have funded
Quote from: ross matt on April 23, 2012, 09:45:29 PM
Joyce in my opinion the best forward I've ever seen and I include Canavan and Maurice Fitz.
Ja? Definitely the best forward in the country by the end of '98..
Mikey D? Do we really have to explain that one?
Savage?
Thats not even mentioning Finnegan...
Between 98/01 they were among the best forwards in the country never mind Connacht.
Kilbride, Shine & Cregg have done the business in Croker against very good defences like Tyrone's and Cork over the last 2 years. I was at the Tyrone game last year and defenders the calibre of Mcmahon.... Gormley etc found them difficult to hold.
I think Andy Moran is a brilliant footballer and leader. But I dont think he is an out and out scoring forward. Mort blows hot and cold. Padraig Joyce is still brilliant but surely no longer for 70min of top class football.
I think the 3 Rossie's I've named would cause problems for any backline. We dont have the midfield and our defenders are no where near as good as Mayo's. But time will tell. If they have everyone back fit and ready for the championship I think Roscommon have an outside chance of a senior connacht title or at least a good run in the qualifiers.
Kilbride, Shine & Cregg combined scored 0-6 from play against Tyrone. David Brady scored 0-3 against them at their peak........from midfield............as a sub.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 23, 2012, 04:24:31 PM
There is no chance imo of dublin winning this easy, roscommon dont concede much. The dub/cork game was very open and loose, roscommon will not afford dublin near the same space. I could see roscommon frustrating dublin to the point of making it a close game. Not sure if roscommon can get enough ball to their inside line though. Should be interesting.
think we'll win 0-13 to 0-9. Something along those lines. Certainly wont be high scoring. Having watched the videos Ros put a lot of lads behind the ball so I'd expect it to be tight for about 45 mins or so.
Dineen was a a very good player and he's proven to be an astute manager.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 23, 2012, 10:48:33 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 23, 2012, 04:24:31 PM
There is no chance imo of dublin winning this easy, roscommon dont concede much. The dub/cork game was very open and loose, roscommon will not afford dublin near the same space. I could see roscommon frustrating dublin to the point of making it a close game. Not sure if roscommon can get enough ball to their inside line though. Should be interesting.
think we'll win 0-13 to 0-9. Something along those lines. Certainly wont be high scoring. Having watched the videos Ros put a lot of lads behind the ball so I'd expect it to be tight for about 45 mins or so.
Dineen was a a very good player and he's proven to be an astute manager.
Jaysus, you must really rate us if you think we can stick with the All-Stars for three quarters of an hour. :D
Quote from: Syferus on April 23, 2012, 10:53:44 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 23, 2012, 10:48:33 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 23, 2012, 04:24:31 PM
There is no chance imo of dublin winning this easy, roscommon dont concede much. The dub/cork game was very open and loose, roscommon will not afford dublin near the same space. I could see roscommon frustrating dublin to the point of making it a close game. Not sure if roscommon can get enough ball to their inside line though. Should be interesting.
think we'll win 0-13 to 0-9. Something along those lines. Certainly wont be high scoring. Having watched the videos Ros put a lot of lads behind the ball so I'd expect it to be tight for about 45 mins or so.
Dineen was a a very good player and he's proven to be an astute manager.
Jaysus, you must really rate us if you think we can stick with the All-Stars for three quarters of an hour. :D
Ah sure he's only being kind to you. How could a team from the junk status province be expected to do any thing but keep the ball kicked out. Mind you you'll probably have to steal a couple of those balls to sell for some spuds on the way home to west of the Shannon!! ;)
(Make sure you get enough spuds for us too)
Quote from: muppet on April 23, 2012, 10:47:05 PM
Quote from: ross matt on April 23, 2012, 09:45:29 PM
Joyce in my opinion the best forward I've ever seen and I include Canavan and Maurice Fitz.
Ja? Definitely the best forward in the country by the end of '98..
Mikey D? Do we really have to explain that one?
Savage?
Thats not even mentioning Finnegan...
Between 98/01 they were among the best forwards in the country never mind Connacht.
Kilbride, Shine & Cregg have done the business in Croker against very good defences like Tyrone's and Cork over the last 2 years. I was at the Tyrone game last year and defenders the calibre of Mcmahon.... Gormley etc found them difficult to hold.
I think Andy Moran is a brilliant footballer and leader. But I dont think he is an out and out scoring forward. Mort blows hot and cold. Padraig Joyce is still brilliant but surely no longer for 70min of top class football.
I think the 3 Rossie's I've named would cause problems for any backline. We dont have the midfield and our defenders are no where near as good as Mayo's. But time will tell. If they have everyone back fit and ready for the championship I think Roscommon have an outside chance of a senior connacht title or at least a good run in the qualifiers.
Kilbride, Shine & Cregg combined scored 0-6 from play against Tyrone. David Brady scored 0-3 against them at their peak........from midfield............as a sub.
Yeah but that doesn't count. David Brady is superhuman (ask Stephenite) and his Clark Kent alter ego is Enda Kenny.
Quote from: ross matt on April 24, 2012, 07:37:17 AM
Quote from: muppet on April 23, 2012, 10:47:05 PM
Quote from: ross matt on April 23, 2012, 09:45:29 PM
Joyce in my opinion the best forward I've ever seen and I include Canavan and Maurice Fitz.
Ja? Definitely the best forward in the country by the end of '98..
Mikey D? Do we really have to explain that one?
Savage?
Thats not even mentioning Finnegan...
Between 98/01 they were among the best forwards in the country never mind Connacht.
Kilbride, Shine & Cregg have done the business in Croker against very good defences like Tyrone's and Cork over the last 2 years. I was at the Tyrone game last year and defenders the calibre of Mcmahon.... Gormley etc found them difficult to hold.
I think Andy Moran is a brilliant footballer and leader. But I dont think he is an out and out scoring forward. Mort blows hot and cold. Padraig Joyce is still brilliant but surely no longer for 70min of top class football.
I think the 3 Rossie's I've named would cause problems for any backline. We dont have the midfield and our defenders are no where near as good as Mayo's. But time will tell. If they have everyone back fit and ready for the championship I think Roscommon have an outside chance of a senior connacht title or at least a good run in the qualifiers.
Kilbride, Shine & Cregg combined scored 0-6 from play against Tyrone. David Brady scored 0-3 against them at their peak........from midfield............as a sub.
Yeah but that doesn't count. David Brady is superhuman (ask Stephenite) and his Clark Kent alter ego is Enda Kenny.
That's Blasphemy Ross matt David Brady is God not superhuman there's a big difference >:( and sure you can't being throwing digs at Enda didn't he promise ye a hospital! By the way muppet God started that game against Tyrone but was forced to apologise to the Mayo squad afterwards because he didn't stick to the tactics laid down by our genius general Maughan whose game plan didn't entail the great one dominating his opponent and midfield or scoring any points to turn the game in our favour.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 23, 2012, 10:48:33 PM
think we'll win 0-13 to 0-9. Something along those lines. Certainly wont be high scoring. Having watched the videos Ros put a lot of lads behind the ball so I'd expect it to be tight for about 45 mins or so.
Dineen was a a very good player and he's proven to be an astute manager.
All joking aside I think that's a fair assessment of the form lines coming into this although I do think there's is a goal each in both teams even in a defensive battle. Also I just have a feeling the rossies will shade it.
Quote from: Crete Boom on April 25, 2012, 12:29:26 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 23, 2012, 10:48:33 PM
think we'll win 0-13 to 0-9. Something along those lines. Certainly wont be high scoring. Having watched the videos Ros put a lot of lads behind the ball so I'd expect it to be tight for about 45 mins or so.
Dineen was a a very good player and he's proven to be an astute manager.
All joking aside I think that's a fair assessment of the from lines coming into this although I do think there's is a goal each in both teams even in a defensive battle. Also I just have a feeling the rossies will shade it.
If we hold Dublin to just 0-13 i would fancy our chances to win. In truth Dublin will score a goal or two & we'll have to up our scoring average if we want to pull off a shock.
Anyone who fancies the rossies should get onto their bookies, the spread is 4 points.
On another point, if the Rossies are feeling confident, they should back themselves at 15/8 to beat the herron chokers........
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 25, 2012, 11:36:57 PM
Anyone who fancies the rossies should get onto their bookies, the spread is 4 points.
On another point, if the Rossies are feeling confident, they should back themselves at 15/8 to beat the herron chokers........
Who said we haven't already put all our ill-gotten gains from building hundreds of ghost estates on the game already? Soon Andy won't be the only Rossie enjoying the Portuguese sun. ;)
Cos if there was that much cash on ye, the bookies would have shortened the odds dramatically!!!
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 25, 2012, 11:44:21 PM
Cos if there was that much cash on ye, the bookies would have shortened the odds dramatically!!!
1,270,603 vs. 64,065
'Tis like the Battle of Thermopylae, only this time the de Spartans are gonna win.
Some amount of money put on the Dubs. Current odds Dublin 1/5 Roscommon 9/2
Come on Roscommon. It'll be a tough task but best of luck.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 02, 2012, 05:12:31 PM
Some amount of money put on the Dubs. Current odds Dublin 1/5 Roscommon 9/2
Madness! I never gamble but just stuck a few euros on Roscommon at that price.
Up the Dubs.
Quote from: heffo on May 03, 2012, 05:42:58 PM
Up the Dubs.
No, Tullamore is to the west of the big smoke. ;)
Great news for the Roscommon/Dublin select. Looks like I might be getttiing a lift to Tullamore. Have yet to see a Dublin underage team win a AI................... by my reckoning have been at 7 such finals and have lost (mainly) or drawn the lot (lost the replays by the way)
Have a feeling that the Rossies here on the board will all be telling POST game how much they won on the odds being offered against Roscommon winning.Would put money on them myself if it wasn't against the Dubs.
Therefore, no other way to see it but a convincing Roscommon win.
Quote from: Canalman on May 03, 2012, 10:08:37 PM
Great news for the Roscommon/Dublin select. Looks like I might be getttiing a lift to Tullamore. Have yet to see a Dublin underage team win a AI................... by my reckoning have been at 7 such finals and have lost (mainly) or drawn the lot (lost the replays by the way)
Have a feeling that the Rossies here on the board will all be telling POST game how much they won on the odds being offered against Roscommon winning.Would put money on them myself if it wasn't against the Dubs.
Therefore, no other way to see it but a convincing Roscommon win.
16 players on the teams Sunday are DCU students. The most gleeful part of that is that they're weighted 12-4 in favour of Rossies. Sure they could switch jerseys and play a A versus B match with John Carty in goals if the Dub lads are tired after a tough week's studying!
Back from a foreign "holiday" and see that the U21 Final isn't grabbing the attention of the GAAboarders.
No Ulster interst I presume.
We are rank outsiders and the general perception seems to be we'll do well to keep the ball kicked out to Dublin.
Our lack of physcial presence plus our low scoring returns compared to Dublin would also suggest our status is deserved.
All we can ask is that the lads leve everything on the field and if that's not good enough so be it.
Of course if it is good enough ...... :D :D :D
We'll have some bondifre blazing around the County tomorrow night 8)
All Ireland final Sunday is almost here. I won't sleep tonight :-\
On route to this final we have played less games than the Dubs it might make us fresher, the level of the opposition was about the same. If one was to listen to the pundits/media we have no chance whatsoever however with the right mindset,tactics,belief i see no reason why we can't win this final & for the record it wouldn't be the first time we won All Ireland title against the odds.
Best of luck to Nigel Dineen his management team & all the players.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 05, 2012, 11:40:27 AM
Back from a foreign "holiday" and see that the U21 Final isn't grabbing the attention of the GAAboarders.
No Ulster interst I presume.
We are rank outsiders and the general perception seems to be we'll do well to keep the ball kicked out to Dublin.
Our lack of physcial presence plus our low scoring returns compared to Dublin would also suggest our status is deserved.
All we can ask is that the lads leve everything on the field and if that's not good enough so be it.
Of course if it is good enough ...... :D :D :D
We'll have some bondifre blazing around the County tomorrow night 8)
Westport isn't
that bad!
Overall Roscommon have the best defensive record thus far.
All the neutrals support will be with them.
Roscommon's to lose.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 05, 2012, 11:40:27 AM
Back from a foreign "holiday" and see that the U21 Final isn't grabbing the attention of the GAAboarders.
No Ulster interst I presume.
We are rank outsiders and the general perception seems to be we'll do well to keep the ball kicked out to Dublin.
Our lack of physcial presence plus our low scoring returns compared to Dublin would also suggest our status is deserved.
All we can ask is that the lads leve everything on the field and if that's not good enough so be it.
Of course if it is good enough ...... :D :D :D
We'll have some bondifre blazing around the County tomorrow night 8)
Quite the opposite i thought, i can't imagine there has been as much talk about an under 21 game as their has been from rossies and dubs on here. Nothing wrong with that, when armagh won our only one in 2004 it must have been one of the biggest crowds at any under 21 final.
Plus, there is nothing else to talk about lately. I thought this game was meant to be over and done with today anyway
Quote from: INDIANA on May 05, 2012, 05:14:45 PM
Overall Roscommon have the best defensive record thus far.
All the neutrals support will be with them.
Roscommon's to lose.
At least you saw sense.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 05, 2012, 05:14:45 PM
Overall Roscommon have the best defensive record thus far.
All the neutrals support will be with them.
Roscommon's to lose.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 17, 2011, 12:55:17 AM
Best of luck To Tipp. Sure the rest fo the country wants them to win anyway. We're just going for the day out.
Pressure on Tipp really.
Tipp's to lose.
Déjà vu?
Dublin -5 is at 6/5. Looks like buying money.
Quote from: Westside on May 05, 2012, 07:34:27 PM
Dublin -5 is at 6/5. Looks like buying money.
The bait is so weak even a straving trout wouldn't bite ;)
I'm not fishing at all. I would be extremely surprised if Dublin didn't win by more than 5 points. That said I will be supporting Roscommon.
Imperative Dublin win this game tomorrow ...............................hopefully the kilkenny lad makes a move onto the senior lads for the summer too........................
Quote from: ross4life on May 05, 2012, 07:30:13 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 05, 2012, 05:14:45 PM
Overall Roscommon have the best defensive record thus far.
All the neutrals support will be with them.
Roscommon's to lose.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 17, 2011, 12:55:17 AM
Best of luck To Tipp. Sure the rest fo the country wants them to win anyway. We're just going for the day out.
Pressure on Tipp really.
Tipp's to lose.
Déjà vu?
Great spot ross4life. The important thing is that even though Indiana pretended to think that "it was Tipp's to lose", that did not happen. Dublin had their day out all right but the All Ireland went to Tipp. That was such a great day for all of us Tipperary fans that it would be great if Roscommon had a similar experience in O'Connor Park. The big guns like Dublin, Kerry and Cork have more than enough great days and the weaker counties deserve their day in the sun as well.
Quote from: Onlooker on May 06, 2012, 01:20:50 AM
Quote from: ross4life on May 05, 2012, 07:30:13 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 05, 2012, 05:14:45 PM
Overall Roscommon have the best defensive record thus far.
All the neutrals support will be with them.
Roscommon's to lose.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 17, 2011, 12:55:17 AM
Best of luck To Tipp. Sure the rest fo the country wants them to win anyway. We're just going for the day out.
Pressure on Tipp really.
Tipp's to lose.
Déjà vu?
Great spot ross4life. The important thing is that even though Indiana pretended to think that "it was Tipp's to lose", that did not happen. Dublin had their day out all right but the All Ireland went to Tipp. That was such a great day for all of us Tipperary fans that it would be great if Roscommon had a similar experience in O'Connor Park. The big guns like Dublin, Kerry and Cork have more than enough great days and the weaker counties deserve their day in the sun as well.
It's not a weak vs. strong thing, Roscommon have the exact same amount of u21 AIs as Dublin and 7 provincials to their 10, if we're speaking traditionally this is a dead heat. Under-age is a completely different ball-game to senior.
I've never seen a hype-train based completely on the form-book of one team, but that's exactly what's happened with Dublin. Their a good team with good results, but our performances over many years at under-age makes it pretty clear this is going to be a very tight encounter.
Good luck to the Blackheads ;) Ros today.
Looking forward to this.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on May 05, 2012, 09:08:46 PM
Imperative Dublin win this game tomorrow ...............................hopefully the kilkenny lad makes a move onto the senior lads for the summer too........................
Makes a better hurler and should be some battle to see which one he prefers. Usually the lads will pick the one they believe will get them most medals. Wouldn't have been my guide though, so I hope he picks the hurling :o
Quote from: Onlooker on May 06, 2012, 01:20:50 AM
Quote from: ross4life on May 05, 2012, 07:30:13 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 05, 2012, 05:14:45 PM
Overall Roscommon have the best defensive record thus far.
All the neutrals support will be with them.
Roscommon's to lose.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 17, 2011, 12:55:17 AM
Best of luck To Tipp. Sure the rest fo the country wants them to win anyway. We're just going for the day out.
Pressure on Tipp really.
Tipp's to lose.
Déjà vu?
Great spot ross4life. The important thing is that even though Indiana pretended to think that "it was Tipp's to lose", that did not happen. Dublin had their day out all right but the All Ireland went to Tipp. That was such a great day for all of us Tipperary fans that it would be great if Roscommon had a similar experience in O'Connor Park. The big guns like Dublin, Kerry and Cork have more than enough great days and the weaker counties deserve their day in the sun as well.
What you get and what you deserve are two different things.
if Roscommon do win its hard to imagine their players having any less dignity then tipp's did last september. In fact i'd be sure of it!
May the best team win and if Ros win I'll be the first to congratulate them.
Good luck to the rossies today. Threw a sneaky tenner on you at the crazy odds paddy power were giving and I think I've a good chance of seeing a return.
Best of luck to Ros. Having seen them beat Mayo comfortably, they definitely can spring a surprise here. It's tailor made for an ambush. But Rossies might struggle at midfield. Hope Shine can step up to the mark there. Big game needed from him. Really looking forward to this.
Ros have started well here and Dubs have had a few wild efforts. Ros need to heed the lessons from the dublin v Cork game though and take their chances when on top.
Hudson having a stormer.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 06, 2012, 02:22:02 PM
Hudson having a stormer.
He is destroying that big no.3..it was obviously a mismatch from 5 mins in, don't think they've switched him yet?!
Dubs really in control now.
If I was Jim Gavin I'd take off the no. 9.
He's on a yellow and he looks like the sort of lad who could easily get another one.
Stick one of the big wing-forwards in the middle.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on May 05, 2012, 09:08:46 PM
Imperative Dublin win this game tomorrow ...............................hopefully the kilkenny lad makes a move onto the senior lads for the summer too........................
What's with the full stops?
Lovely goal by Hudson.
Some great flick-ups on the run in this game.
Great score in response from the Rossies.
Poor goal given away by us we should be at least level at ht
A 2 point lead is a fair reflection I think.
Still there for the Rossies. Full-back in trouble though.
Excellent last 5 mins there. Ross management are idiots. Leaving the no.3 on Hudson..he's winning the game on his own!
Game is still there if they get a bit of a grip at midfield and get the ball in quickly, but you'd have to fancy Dublin.
Don't anyone try and tell me there's a problem with basic skill levels in modern gaelic football.
Some great pieces of individual skill from attackers and defenders in this game.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 06, 2012, 02:52:09 PM
Don't anyone try and tell me there's a problem with basic skill levels in modern gaelic football.
Some great pieces of individual skill from attackers and defenders in this game.
x2. This Compton lad looks a super player actually, showing great leadership.
Great Play from the Rossies at the minute.
Dublin really putting the knife in in the last 5 minutes
2-12 to 0-11
Well done to the Dubs
Better team won, but Ros shot themselves in the foot tactically and with silly mistakes. Kilkenny is ridiculously over-hyped. 5 better forwards than him on the field.
Roscommon blew it. They were the better team for long periods but completely died in the last 10 mins.
Congrats to dublin im not convinced the best.team won.
Quote from: sligoman2 on May 06, 2012, 03:30:53 PM
Roscommon blew it. They were the better team for long periods but completely died in the last 10 mins.
Congrats to dublin im not convinced the best.team won.
How is that blowing it?
It's like saying a horse blew the grand national because he ran out of steam with 6 furlongs to go.
When you completely dominating a game and all of a sudden your midfield and backs fall asleep and let the other team back into the game - thats blowing it in my opinion.
Ros had a chance to out the game away but a fistpass to the net followed by a bad wide cost them dearly.
For the effort we put we deserved better than a 7 defeat. Well done dublin best team on the day.
At no stage were Roscommon 'completely dominating' that game.
Quote from: sligoman2 on May 06, 2012, 03:40:00 PM
When you completely dominating a game and all of a sudden your midfield and backs fall asleep and let the other team back into the game - thats blowing it in my opinion.
Ros had a chance to out the game away but a fistpass to the net followed by a bad wide cost them dearly.
Rubbish they were never more then 2 ahead. That game was in the balance till the 56th minute.
That was a great game of football and its time people stopped tinkering with the game. There is nothing wrong with it.
Hats off to Roscommon best team we played this year by a mile. 7 points is an injustice to them.
We were marginally the better side and had a better panel overall. Ros probably didnt have subs like ours.
V hard luck to the Rossies on the board. Fair to say that in other years they could have won the thing out. Dublin's panel and subs won the day for us imvho.
Bit disappointed not to see Ó Conghaile win the MotM........... but cannot really quibble with the decision.
Only fair to point out also that this Dublin team nearly went out in the first round at Wexford Park.
Truth be told thought we were goosed in the 2nd half. Delighted to see the long ball in being used by both teams............... great to see that there are still "thinking men" involved in the game trying to get around the swarm defence so in vogue at the moment.
Once again hard luck to the Rossies.
That Roscommon FF line should all make good senior footballers.
Good game. Roscommon had the chance to put Dublin away mid way through the second half but handed the initiative right back to them, mainly by some poor tactics. Can't understand why the goalie didn't vary the kicks out until it was too late. But a good sign of the Dublin team that they came back to dominate the final ten minutes when the game was going away from them.
I've put together a tactical analysis piece on this for anyone interested http://action81.com/blog/?p=5778
Hard luck to the Rossies on the board, thought they had it in second half, should be proud as always the rossies always turn up and give it everything as i knew they would, 7pts is ridiculously harsh scorline considering ros were a 1pt with less than 10 to go. Congrats to Dublin though, never panicked.
I don't think I could be more proud of our lads - our men - even if they had won. They have proven themselves true champions this year no Roscommon man or woman will ever forget their efforts this year. And in the final act of the campaign they turned what most assumed to be a procession march into the game of the championship. Wonderful.
Paddy Brogan was the very definition of a captain, a leader, on the field today. His play forced his direct opposition to be hauled off very early in the second half, he hoovered up ball, picked passes and drove forward. He laid the most immense hit I've ever seen on a football field on Emmet O'Conghaile, Dublin's wonderful midfielder, that left him collapsed in a heap for all of two minutes, he exemplified the fact if anything we were the ones bristling with physicality today and not Dublin, a team lauded for their raw strength. If I don't see Brogan wearing a senior jersey in the next 12 months Des Newton needs better contact lenses.
Connolly tormented Dublin in the first half, Keane delivered our last score, a booming long range point that made you realise that the title was within touching distance. Compton, Smith and Shine were, as always, imperious.
We responded to the goal before half-time as a true All-Ireland finalist should - with a raised intensity and a barrage of points. I wouldn't even say Dublin's subs changed this game - Emmet O'Conghaile did that almost entirely by himself. His fielding in the last 15 minutes was magical, cleanly winning most ever ball that went near him. If we could have broke a few more balls I felt our forwards still had enough gas to do more damage and our defence coped very well with the huge amount of pressure they came under late on. Eventually the pressure, and some lovely scores, built up a healthy lead for Dublin. The last goal being a sucker punch that provides a gloss in history books that no one who saw the game will agree with.
Well done to Dublin. Does losing to the "best u-21 team of all-time" make us the best u-21 team not to win the All-Ireland? ;)
To the players - you owe nothing to any fan, trainer, manager or team-mate. You conducted yourselves, both on and off the field, with a dignity and a pride that can only energise the county going forward. Even if it feels like the end right now there will be opportunities for all of you in the future, be it at u-21 again, at senior or club, you've shown the entire country you are an exceptionally talented and dedicated group.
The primrose and blue flies high tonight.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 06, 2012, 04:01:57 PM
That Roscommon FF line should all make good senior footballers.
Kilkenny and Hudson arent too shabby either ;)
nothing more to say after that post syferus only well done to our lads yere a wonderful bunch of menn. an congrrats Dublin
I agree that the final score of Roscommon losing by 7 was very harsh. Brilliant game of football. Dublin were a very physical team today. Pity they didn't have more of a support after them, but I salute the Rossies in travelling in huge numbers for the game. Roscommon's midfield let them down however, especially towards the end of the first half and in the last 10 minutes of the game. Well done Dublin though, deserving champions. Ye'll be around for another few years yet!
Anyone else think the media hype surrounding Kilkenny is a joke? I mean the kid has talent, no doubt about it but dont get why he getting all the limelight. Plenty of other players on both teams thats have promising careers judging by their performances today
Quote from: cogito on May 06, 2012, 08:11:28 PM
Anyone else think the media hype surrounding Kilkenny is a joke? I mean the kid has talent, no doubt about it but dont get why he getting all the limelight. Plenty of other players on both teams thats have promising careers judging by their performances today
He looked fantastic from pitch-level today. Always was a danger and hit some wonderful points, very hard to knock off the ball. Hudson out-played him today but Kilkenny is a serious talent.
Alot of classy full-forwards were on display today.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 06, 2012, 07:53:59 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 06, 2012, 04:01:57 PM
That Roscommon FF line should all make good senior footballers.
Kilkenny and Hudson arent too shabby either ;)
Kilkenny played better when moved to the half forward line vs tired legs. Was that Hudson's best game for Dublin this year? for me he was the best forward on display today.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 06, 2012, 08:03:57 PM
Roscommon's midfield let them down however, especially towards the end of the first half and in the last 10 minutes of the game.
TBH after been out for over a year it was only C Shine 2nd start & it showed in the 2nd half, Daly is defender not a midfielder.
Quote from: cogito on May 06, 2012, 08:11:28 PM
Anyone else think the media hype surrounding Kilkenny is a joke? I mean the kid has talent, no doubt about it but dont get why he getting all the limelight. Plenty of other players on both teams thats have promising careers judging by their performances today
yeah bu he had three players on him for the whole game. and still scored 0-4- three from play and assisted 3 others. not bad going.
Fantastic game of football with thankfully a lot of football played.
Some very, very fine footballers on both sides who we've already heard a lot about and who we'll be reading about more in future.
Some of the fetching and score taking was of the highest order.
Well done Dublin - hard luck Roscommon who lost nothing in defeat.
Quoteell done to Dublin. Does losing to the "best u-21 team of all-time" make us the best u-21 team not to win the All-Ireland?
I haven't been following this thread but where is this comment re Dublin U-21's coming from .... a load of nonsense imho - not saying they are not a very good U-21 team as the standard goes but i think you can only judge an U-21 team based on the impact they make at senior level in the following years.
The standard bearers in that regard in my opinion are the Kerry U-21 teams of the mid 90's ... Liam Hassett, Johny Crowley, Donal Daly, Dara O'Se, Dara O'Cinnedie, MF Russell, Diarmuid Murphy, William Kirby, Noel Kennelly, Killian Burns, etc. They won their U-21's and then delivered at senior level too bringing Kerry back from an unprecedented drought and by and large they formed the back-bone of Kerry teams for the next 10 years.
For Dublin, that means that U-21 team forming the backbone of the a senior team that will win something like 2 or 3 out of the next 7 to 8 senior titles (and for what its worth .... imho for that Ros U-21 team to be considered up there when looking back in 10 years time it will require winning a senior All-Ireland)
Quote from: blast05 on May 07, 2012, 01:02:37 AM
Quoteell done to Dublin. Does losing to the "best u-21 team of all-time" make us the best u-21 team not to win the All-Ireland?
I haven't been following this thread but where is this comment re Dublin U-21's coming from .... a load of nonsense imho - not saying they are not a very good U-21 team as the standard goes but i think you can only judge an U-21 team based on the impact they make at senior level in the following years.
The standard bearers in that regard in my opinion are the Kerry U-21 teams of the mid 90's ... Liam Hassett, Johny Crowley, Donal Daly, Dara O'Se, Dara O'Cinnedie, MF Russell, Diarmuid Murphy, William Kirby, Noel Kennelly, Killian Burns, etc. They won their U-21's and then delivered at senior level too bringing Kerry back from an unprecedented drought and by and large they formed the back-bone of Kerry teams for the next 10 years.
For Dublin, that means that U-21 team forming the backbone of the a senior team that will win something like 2 or 3 out of the next 7 to 8 senior titles (and for what its worth .... imho for that Ros U-21 team to be considered up there when looking back in 10 years time it will require winning a senior All-Ireland)
It was an off-hand comment, but your logic is faulty. A great u-21 team is a great u-21 team, no more or no less, what they do as senior is matterless as to how you judges their quality at this grade. Galway, better than most, know that having fantastic under-age sides doesn't mean success at senior, yet no one can question that those Galway u-21 and minor teams, hurling and football, were damn fine in their day.
For the record, I thought last year's Galway team were at least as impressive as this year's Dublin team.
Bittersweet side-note: the only teams to beat Roscommon at u-21 since 2009 have been the All-Ireland champions: Dublin, Galway and Dublin again. Keep knocking on the door, lads.
Quote from: blast05 on May 07, 2012, 01:02:37 AM
Quoteell done to Dublin. Does losing to the "best u-21 team of all-time" make us the best u-21 team not to win the All-Ireland?
I haven't been following this thread but where is this comment re Dublin U-21's coming from .... a load of nonsense imho - not saying they are not a very good U-21 team as the standard goes but i think you can only judge an U-21 team based on the impact they make at senior level in the following years.
The standard bearers in that regard in my opinion are the Kerry U-21 teams of the mid 90's ... Liam Hassett, Johny Crowley, Donal Daly, Dara O'Se, Dara O'Cinnedie, MF Russell, Diarmuid Murphy, William Kirby, Noel Kennelly, Killian Burns, etc. They won their U-21's and then delivered at senior level too bringing Kerry back from an unprecedented drought and by and large they formed the back-bone of Kerry teams for the next 10 years.
For Dublin, that means that U-21 team forming the backbone of the a senior team that will win something like 2 or 3 out of the next 7 to 8 senior titles (and for what its worth .... imho for that Ros U-21 team to be considered up there when looking back in 10 years time it will require winning a senior All-Ireland)
Correct this current Dublin side have a bit to go before reaching that level.
Quote from: Syferus on May 06, 2012, 07:33:50 PM
I don't think I could be more proud of our lads - our men - even if they had won.
A seven point defeat in All Ireland final and you couldn't be more proud? It was clear after the Cavan semi final Roscommon wouldn't have the forward power to cause upset.
Seriously dude, don't start the troll machine tonight, it's in your best interests.
Quote from: Syferus on May 07, 2012, 02:07:10 AM
Seriously dude, don't start the troll machine tonight, it's in your best interests.
;D We'll keep on the knocking on the door
Quote from: blast05 on May 07, 2012, 01:02:37 AM
Quoteell done to Dublin. Does losing to the "best u-21 team of all-time" make us the best u-21 team not to win the All-Ireland?
I haven't been following this thread but where is this comment re Dublin U-21's coming from .... a load of nonsense imho - not saying they are not a very good U-21 team as the standard goes but i think you can only judge an U-21 team based on the impact they make at senior level in the following years.
The standard bearers in that regard in my opinion are the Kerry U-21 teams of the mid 90's ... Liam Hassett, Johny Crowley, Donal Daly, Dara O'Se, Dara O'Cinnedie, MF Russell, Diarmuid Murphy, William Kirby, Noel Kennelly, Killian Burns, etc. They won their U-21's and then delivered at senior level too bringing Kerry back from an unprecedented drought and by and large they formed the back-bone of Kerry teams for the next 10 years.
For Dublin, that means that U-21 team forming the backbone of the a senior team that will win something like 2 or 3 out of the next 7 to 8 senior titles (and for what its worth .... imho for that Ros U-21 team to be considered up there when looking back in 10 years time it will require winning a senior All-Ireland)
Comparing u21 teams is a subjective process. I could pick plenty of holes in that kerry team above. The best u21 teams I saw were tyrone's in the mid-90's. And they should be a lesson for anyone because Tyrone didnt get as many off them as they might ahve thought.
Nobody from dublin has said it was the best u21 team of all-time. I wouldn't even say it was Dublin's best u21 team. If we get 4 senior players we'll have done well.
For 95% of that dublin squad yesterday that will be the highlight of their football careers. So they need to enjoy it. Very few are honoured to win an all-ireland medal.
Well our lads gave it their best shot and unfortunately it wasn't good enough as we were beaten by a good Dublin side who deserved to win on the day - but not by 7 points!!!.
A good game of football as you would expect from the U21 grade and nothing boring or negative about it.
We were in it till the last 10 minutes but once we stopped getting possession we were under the cosh. and never looked like saving the game once Dublin regained the lead.
Great work by Nigel, David, Eddie and company to get this bunch of lads to an All Ireland Final playing a good brand of football.
In David Murray , The 2 Dalys, Paddy Brogan,Compton and Donie Smith we have a few gems who will hopefully grace the Senior team for many a day to come.
Something like 10 of the team are under 21 again next year and while I know it doeasnt always follow I'd hope we could be giving the U21 A.I. a good rattle next year.
Well done Dublin, superior strength in depth did it for us on the day.
I'd imagine we'll see 3/4 of those lads into the Senior panel and would expect to see Kilkenny featuring if not starting come summer.
Hard luck Roscommon.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 07, 2012, 06:26:10 PM
Well our lads gave it their best shot and unfortunately it wasn't good enough as we were beaten by a good Dublin side who deserved to win on the day - but not by 7 points!!!.
A good game of football as you would expect from the U21 grade and nothing boring or negative about it.
We were in it till the last 10 minutes but once we stopped getting possession we were under the cosh. and never looked like saving the game once Dublin regained the lead.
Great work by Nigel, David, Eddie and company to get this bunch of lads to an All Ireland Final playing a good brand of football.
In David Murray , The 2 Dalys, Paddy Brogan,Compton and Donie Smith we have a few gems who will hopefully grace the Senior team for many a day to come.
Something like 10 of the team are under 21 again next year and while I know it doeasnt always follow I'd hope we could be giving the U21 A.I. a good rattle next year.
How can you forget Cathal Shine!? The most senior ready of the lot, once he gets more time to work his fitness back up he's going to be a diamond, be it in the middle or the full-forward line.
Well done to both sides on a great match and congrats to the Dubs... deserving winners in the end. I think the young Rossies played to the best of their ability which was quite enough to win against a very powerful but patient Dublin side. The goal before half time was a killer and our midfield collapse in the 2nd half gave them an advantage that they used to great effect.
Excellant match. I thought the Rossies had it but the Dubs proved too powerfull with a much stronger bench. It is an interesting debate in how good the u21 championship was but in my opinion how far off senior inter county standard? It was a lot more entertaining for a start. How many from both teams are on the senior panels?
Quote from: Syferus on May 07, 2012, 07:36:16 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 07, 2012, 06:26:10 PM
Well our lads gave it their best shot and unfortunately it wasn't good enough as we were beaten by a good Dublin side who deserved to win on the day - but not by 7 points!!!.
A good game of football as you would expect from the U21 grade and nothing boring or negative about it.
We were in it till the last 10 minutes but once we stopped getting possession we were under the cosh. and never looked like saving the game once Dublin regained the lead.
Great work by Nigel, David, Eddie and company to get this bunch of lads to an All Ireland Final playing a good brand of football.
In David Murray , The 2 Dalys, Paddy Brogan,Compton and Donie Smith we have a few gems who will hopefully grace the Senior team for many a day to come.
Something like 10 of the team are under 21 again next year and while I know it doeasnt always follow I'd hope we could be giving the U21 A.I. a good rattle next year.
How can you forget Cathal Shine!? The most senior ready of the lot, once he gets more time to work his fitness back up he's going to be a diamond, be it in the middle or the full-forward line.
Embarrassing oversight :-[ :D
Mind you I hope your confidence in his future is borne out. :-\
The two best players on the pitch was the Dublin midfielder (a class player, what a fetcher) and their corner forward, closely followed by the Roscommon 14
Quote from: johnpower on May 07, 2012, 08:54:30 PM
Excellant match. I thought the Rossies had it but the Dubs proved too powerfull with a much stronger bench. It is an interesting debate in how good the u21 championship was but in my opinion how far off senior inter county standard? It was a lot more entertaining for a start. How many from both teams are on the senior panels?
None of the Dubs on the senior panel yet, but its likely that 2 or 3 might get called up. The most likely are Kilkenny, McCaffrey, O'Conghaile and Sweeney. The first 3 were minor last year, so have another 2 years at U21 level.
Kilkenny has the ability to be a playing part of the squad this year. I think they'll want to give him a taster so he knows what his alternative to Australia is.
I'm sure McCaffrey will become a mainstay of the Dubs half back line, but not for another 2 or 3 years.
O'Conghaile is exactly what the Dubs are crying out for - biggest weakness of the senior team IMO is a man who can consistently win 50/50 high balls in the middle of the park. But I think he's a good year away from being at senior intercounty level. He's a very good hurler too (better than Kilkenny IMO).
Sweeney has been on the U21 team for 3 years now (so has 2 winners medals) and has been tipped for the senior team for quite a while, but hasnt been given the opportunity. Lovely footballer, great ball skills, not sure if he has the all round game to make it at senior intercounty level.
Quote from: johnpower on May 07, 2012, 08:54:30 PM
Excellant match. I thought the Rossies had it but the Dubs proved too powerfull with a much stronger bench. It is an interesting debate in how good the u21 championship was but in my opinion how far off senior inter county standard? It was a lot more entertaining for a start. How many from both teams are on the senior panels?
C Cafferkey,C Daly,C Shine, N Daly;S Oates,N Kilroy, C Compton, D Smith,J McManus have all been part of our senior panel this year probably only Niall Daly will start vs Galway. Speaking of Galway they will have 13 from the under 21 All-Ireland winning squad from last year on their senior panel.
Very enjoyable final, well done to the Dubs. Roscommon played a very smart game I thought, pinning the Dubs back high up the pitch and attacking their kickouts. They needed to nick a goal to win it though but the chance never really arised. They were out on their feet after 50 mins and didn't have the quality on the bench that the Dubs had. they can hold their heads high.