Poll
Question:
What should be done?
Option 1: Award Louth the title and Meath enter qualifiers
votes: 39
Option 2: Order a replay
votes: 69
Option 3: Meath are champions and Louth enter qualifiers
votes: 63
And we thought it was bad when Dublin were winning it every year........
award louth the title, meath enter the qualifiers.
Sludden to be sent back to tyrone and ordered to never leave the county again.
I'd be interested in the opinions of the people who think Meath should be let keep the title, specifically what they thouht of Paul Galvin and Tomas O'Sé's recent suspensions.
did the GAA bring in a new rule allowing players to throw the ball into the net last week?
shocking stuff on a county that has not been in a showpiece final for 50 years
Sludden, hand your head in shame, GAA do something to rectify this quickly
A man I know from Ipswich would say move on and get over it...
I think it needs to be a replay, it has happened before, Laois offered Carlow a replay back in the 90's for scoring a point that went wide
It's very rare that we have a decision which we can without any equivocation caused one team to lose the game and one to win it, both without any justification. A bad decision needs to be corrected if it can be. Give Louth the cup.
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 06:05:28 PM
And we thought it was bad when Dublin were winning it every year........
All credit to the Dubs they actually won it.
Awarding Louth the Leinster Championship is a non-runner
Its either a replay or stands as a Meath win.
It needs to be replayed.
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on July 11, 2010, 06:21:11 PM
Awarding Louth the Leinster Championship is a non-runner
Its either a replay or stands as a Meath win.
It needs to be replayed.
Connacht Council are about to make Louth an offer to enter the 2011 Connacht Championship.
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on July 11, 2010, 06:21:11 PM
Awarding Louth the Leinster Championship is a non-runner
Its either a replay or stands as a Meath win.
It needs to be replayed.
why? they won it.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 11, 2010, 06:25:18 PM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on July 11, 2010, 06:21:11 PM
Awarding Louth the Leinster Championship is a non-runner
Its either a replay or stands as a Meath win.
It needs to be replayed.
Connacht Council are about to make Louth an offer to enter the 2011 Connacht Championship.
are you serious
Replay, the ref should be sent to Somalia as a peacekeeper
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 06:26:22 PM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on July 11, 2010, 06:21:11 PM
Awarding Louth the Leinster Championship is a non-runner
Its either a replay or stands as a Meath win.
It needs to be replayed.
why? they won it.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 11, 2010, 06:25:18 PM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on July 11, 2010, 06:21:11 PM
Awarding Louth the Leinster Championship is a non-runner
Its either a replay or stands as a Meath win.
It needs to be replayed.
Connacht Council are about to make Louth an offer to enter the 2011 Connacht Championship.
are you serious
They didnt win it though Pints, Meath did and thats the problem with that suggestion.
Louth were cheated out of winning it by incompetency from the Referee and/or(delete whats necessary) Umpires.
If Louth dont get a replay,they should refuse to play in the qualifiers,hopefully Meath and the GAA Central Council will do the honourable thing and agree to a replay.
Louth should refuse to enter the qualifiers.
Let's not exonerate the two umpires from any blame in this. They were the gobshites who had a birds eye view, and bottled it.
Neither one of them should ever don a white coat again.
Quote from: Shrewdness on July 11, 2010, 06:53:54 PM
Let's not exonerate the two umpires from any blame in this. They were the gobshites who had a birds eye of view, and bottled it.
Neither one of them should ever don a white coat again.
The vast majority of umpires appear incompetent. The GAA really needs to sort this out. They should also be given referee training and for senior games, the umpires should probably be refs, the way the linesmen are.
>:(this clown and his white coated sidekicks should be made an example of by the gaa....
and banished from ever officating @ any gaa game in the future.
REPLAY? ..... BOLLICKS .... GAA DO THE RIGHT THING ONCE IN YOUR LIVES!!!!
LOUTH WE WISH YOU WELL ...... TRUE CHAMPIONS.
Cooney already throwing up shite about the ref getting roughed up didnt want to get off the fence and say what most gaels think- it has to be a replay. thought i saw sludsie heading into the lisdoo for his dinner just now :D :D :D
What is the point of having the Umpires there if they aren't going to make the call. Umpires should prob be referees from now on.
Shout for a replay all you like, it won't happen.
My sympathies are with Louth and your improvements and committed performances this year give us Cavan fans hope for the future if the right man is put in charge.
However, the scenes after the game were embarrasing. Bottles being hurled and shoulders being given. That is just not on.
I think the rules are correct in that a match cannot be replayed because a ref made a bad decision. Even a truly badly awful one.
All the GAA can do is say sorry to Louth and expel the referee and his umpires from every officiating at inter-county level (tho I hugely doubt that'll happen).
The GAA will also no doubt erect fences around the pitch now, because of the total incompetence of the gardai and the stewards.
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on July 11, 2010, 06:34:30 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 06:26:22 PM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on July 11, 2010, 06:21:11 PM
Awarding Louth the Leinster Championship is a non-runner
Its either a replay or stands as a Meath win.
It needs to be replayed.
why? they won it.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 11, 2010, 06:25:18 PM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on July 11, 2010, 06:21:11 PM
Awarding Louth the Leinster Championship is a non-runner
Its either a replay or stands as a Meath win.
It needs to be replayed.
Connacht Council are about to make Louth an offer to enter the 2011 Connacht Championship.
are you serious
hopefully Meath and the GAA Central Council will do the honourable thing and agree to a replay.
Central Council have no role whatsoever in a game that falls under Leinster's remit - you should know that.
Quote from: Hound on July 11, 2010, 07:27:18 PM
I think the rules are correct in that a match cannot be replayed because a ref made a bad decision. Even a truly badly awful one.
All the GAA can do is say sorry to Louth and expel the referee and his umpires from every officiating at inter-county level (tho I hugely doubt that'll happen).
The GAA will also no doubt erect fences around the pitch now, because of the total incompetence of the gardai and the stewards.
There are many precedents of the Gaa ordering replays and even overturning results but they are all long ago. For me the key question should be 'is there a rule
preventing the Gaa from ordering a replay or overturning a result?'.
I don't believe there is the will among the authorities to pursue fair play and justice in the game and that imho is the problem. At least rugby sorted that out.
Have the rules on replays changed since the Laois Carlow disputed point incident a few years ago. Someone will fill in the blanks here for me but my recollection is that Laois offered Carlow a replay, Carlow accepted and a replay was played. Did this happen or am I imagining things? And has there been any rule change that would prevent the same thing from happening here?
Quote from: heffo on July 11, 2010, 07:33:03 PM
Central Council have no role whatsoever in a game that falls under Leinster's remit - you should know that.
Was it the Munster CCCCCCCCCC that banned Sé and Galvin?
No ! so why cannot he said CCCC review this disgraceful error and make it right.?
I've been harping on about Umpires for years yet the GAA continued to keep its head in the sand and ignore the problem which came back to bite with a vengeance today ruining a great day for Louth GAA people.
Also who was responsible for Security today?
Surely there should have been a posse organised to surround the ref right away.
More the umpires at fault than the ref - the ref can only a foul IF he see's it. He consulted the umpire - he can do no more. IMHO, the Louth players threw the game away themselves, poor shooting and ball handling.
As a point of principle Meath should keep the title, especially after the disgraceful behaviour of the Louth players and spectators, anything else will show that the GAA condone this type of behaviour.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 11, 2010, 07:42:14 PM
Have the rules on replays changed since the Laois Carlow disputed point incident a few years ago. Someone will fill in the blanks here for me but my recollection is that Laois offered Carlow a replay, Carlow accepted and a replay was played. Did this happen or am I imagining things? And has there been any rule change that would prevent the same thing from happening here?
It happened
If this had happened in the first minute would people still be calling for a replay? If it was a point that was given but had gone wide? If a player had received a red card but didn't leave the playing area?
A combination of the stage in the game and Louth's long run without a Leinster seem to have made people go a bit mad. There won't be a reply nor should there be. Time for Louth to get the heads down and prepare for their next game. They are a good team and should be looking to go further.
Quote from: redhandluke on July 11, 2010, 07:45:40 PM
More the umpires at fault than the ref - the ref can only a foul IF he see's it. He consulted the umpire - he can do no more. IMHO, the Louth players threw the game away themselves, poor shooting and ball handling.
As a point of principle Meath should keep the title, especially after the disgraceful behaviour of the Louth players and spectators, anything else will show that the GAA condone this type of behaviour.
ffs, he did not consult the umpires! The Louth manager has confirmed (from his players I assume!) that he went in and told the umpire to raise the flag! Sludden give the goal.
And what disgraceful behaviour of the Louth players are you referring to? If it wasnt for the louth players and manager sludden would have got the head bate of him.
Quote from: RMDrive on July 11, 2010, 07:46:47 PM
If this had happened in the first minute would people still be calling for a replay? If it was a point that was given but had gone wide? If a player had received a red card but didn't leave the playing area?
A combination of the stage in the game and Louth's long run without a Leinster seem to have made people go a bit mad. There won't be a reply nor should there be. Time for Louth to get the heads down and prepare for their next game. They are a good team and should be looking to go further.
But it didn't happen in the first minute did it? Why do people persist with irrelevant arguments?
i know the immediate concern is for Louth but my own long-term worries are the pitch invasions.
Someday soon, god forbid, someone is going to be killed or badly injured. They have to stop. But then again nobody wants to see fences the whole way around the stadium. Something has to be done. They are a complete danger and nobody wants to see young Louth fans fighting with Meath fans - because whether you like it or not, that happened today during all the chaos.
It would be nice to think a replay would be offered and it would show incredible sportsmanship from Meath. Can't see it happening though. And I have to say, In my opinion a penalty should have been given even if the goal had have been ruled out. Unless it was a square ball but I haven't seen it in that much detail to say.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 11, 2010, 07:42:41 PM
Quote from: heffo on July 11, 2010, 07:33:03 PM
Central Council have no role whatsoever in a game that falls under Leinster's remit - you should know that.
Was it the Munster CCCCCCCCCC that banned Sé and Galvin?
No ! so why cannot he said CCCC review this disgraceful error and make it right.?
I've been harping on about Umpires for years yet the GAA continued to keep its head in the sand and ignore the problem which came back to bite with a vengeance today ruining a great day for Louth GAA people.
Also who was responsible for Security today?
Surely there should have been a posse organised to surround the ref right away.
Will you repost that garbage - I can't read it.
I'm stating facts.
You're also confusing Central Council & the CCCC.
Let me know if you'd like a laymans version of GAA for dummies.
Quote from: redhandluke on July 11, 2010, 07:45:40 PM
More the umpires at fault than the ref - the ref can only a foul IF he see's it. He consulted the umpire - he can do no more. IMHO, the Louth players threw the game away themselves, poor shooting and ball handling.
As a point of principle Meath should keep the title, especially after the disgraceful behaviour of the Louth players and spectators, anything else will show that the GAA condone this type of behaviour.
Rubbish for so many reasons.
The extent to which the empire 'consulted' the umpire is highly debatable. He didn't talk to the other one at all. The umpire never raised a green flag until the ref came over. Louth's poor shooting and ball handling is totally irrelevant.
The Louth fans were indeed a disgrace. I don't see the problem with the Louth players. I don't think that should determine any decisions on the game.
Quote from: put-it-up on July 11, 2010, 07:49:34 PM
They are a complete danger and nobody wants to see young Louth fans fighting with Meath fans - because whether you like it or not, that happened today during all the chaos.
Maybe we should segregate fans in the stands then too? ::)
If you're going to be a thug, you don't need to be on the grass.
Quote from: put-it-up on July 11, 2010, 07:49:34 PM
And I have to say, In my opinion a penalty should have been given even if the goal had have been ruled out. Unless it was a square ball but I haven't seen it in that much detail to say.
You've seen enough to award a penalty but not spot a square ball?
"And what disgraceful behaviour of the Louth players are you referring to?"
Pint, he handed out two yellow cards to Louth players after the final whistle, colourful language at the very least I would say.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 11, 2010, 06:56:03 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on July 11, 2010, 06:53:54 PM
Let's not exonerate the two umpires from any blame in this. They were the gobshites who had a birds eye of view, and bottled it.
Neither one of them should ever don a white coat again.
The vast majority of umpires appear incompetent. The GAA really needs to sort this out. They should also be given referee training and for senior games, the umpires should probably be refs, the way the linesmen are.
Quote from: put-it-up on July 11, 2010, 07:12:09 PM
What is the point of having the Umpires there if they aren't going to make the call. Umpires should prob be referees from now on.
Agree with some of these points, but not all. Agree that umpires at inter-county level should be appointed/vetted and probably should be qualified referees. But in the debacle today, the responsibility lies squarely with Sludden alone, I think. He makes the calls regarding the legitimacy of scores, not the umpires. It is also his call whether he consults with umpires or not. He didn't appear to want to consult even when summoned by one of them today. See my earlier post on the game thread here:
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16650.msg816031#msg816031
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 07:49:15 PM
Quote from: RMDrive on July 11, 2010, 07:46:47 PM
If this had happened in the first minute would people still be calling for a replay? If it was a point that was given but had gone wide? If a player had received a red card but didn't leave the playing area?
A combination of the stage in the game and Louth's long run without a Leinster seem to have made people go a bit mad. There won't be a reply nor should there be. Time for Louth to get the heads down and prepare for their next game. They are a good team and should be looking to go further.
But it didn't happen in the first minute did it? Why do people persist with irrelevant arguments?
Oh right, I see now. So irrelevant arguments are those that you don't agree with? You, and others need to straighten out the knickers and realise that the GAA will not award a replay (Don't think Meath will either).
Quote from: redhandluke on July 11, 2010, 07:57:38 PM
"And what disgraceful behaviour of the Louth players are you referring to?"
Pint, he handed out two yellow cards to Louth players after the final whistle, colourful language at the very least I would say.
He booked one player and a fan, which sums his day up nicely.
I cannot understand why people are giving out about the umpires. They have absolutely no authority and are there to assist the referee only. If the referee saw the incident clearly then he showed an alarming lack of knowledge of the rules of the game and shouldn t be refereeing at this level.
My biggest beef is his sheer arrogance in the immediate aftermath. He didnt consult the umpire- he told him to raise the green flag. He should have taken his time and consulted BOTH umpires before making a decisions. Why didn't he do this?
There was another incident a few minutes earlier where a free
Quote from: redhandluke on July 11, 2010, 07:57:38 PM
"And what disgraceful behaviour of the Louth players are you referring to?"
Pint, he handed out two yellow cards to Louth players after the final whistle, colourful language at the very least I would say.
I'm sure but sure he would have heard the same from most of the country. Louth players should be commended for having the strength not to deck him and to even defend him.
Quote from: RMDrive on July 11, 2010, 07:58:48 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 07:49:15 PM
Quote from: RMDrive on July 11, 2010, 07:46:47 PM
If this had happened in the first minute would people still be calling for a replay? If it was a point that was given but had gone wide? If a player had received a red card but didn't leave the playing area?
A combination of the stage in the game and Louth's long run without a Leinster seem to have made people go a bit mad. There won't be a reply nor should there be. Time for Louth to get the heads down and prepare for their next game. They are a good team and should be looking to go further.
But it didn't happen in the first minute did it? Why do people persist with irrelevant arguments?
Oh right, I see now. So irrelevant arguments are those that you don't agree with? You, and others need to straighten out the knickers and realise that the GAA will not award a replay (Don't think Meath will either).
No, irrelevant arguments are ones about things that didn't happen.
I know the Gaa won't award a reply please point out where I said they would. I am completely against a replay as I believe Louth won the game fair and square.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 11, 2010, 07:52:53 PM
Quote from: put-it-up on July 11, 2010, 07:49:34 PM
And I have to say, In my opinion a penalty should have been given even if the goal had have been ruled out. Unless it was a square ball but I haven't seen it in that much detail to say.
You've seen enough to award a penalty but not spot a square ball?
Yeah I saw the replay on the TV on the news. I saw a foul on Sheridan but I coudn't conclusively see if there was a square ball. Quite simple really.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 11, 2010, 08:01:27 PM
Quote from: redhandluke on July 11, 2010, 07:57:38 PM
"And what disgraceful behaviour of the Louth players are you referring to?"
Pint, he handed out two yellow cards to Louth players after the final whistle, colourful language at the very least I would say.
I'm sure but sure he would have heard the same from most of the country. Louth players should be commended for having the strength not to deck him and to even defend him.
At least they didn't get a red like Keith Higgins, refs have their priorities up their arses.
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 08:01:32 PM
Quote from: RMDrive on July 11, 2010, 07:58:48 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 07:49:15 PM
Quote from: RMDrive on July 11, 2010, 07:46:47 PM
If this had happened in the first minute would people still be calling for a replay? If it was a point that was given but had gone wide? If a player had received a red card but didn't leave the playing area?
A combination of the stage in the game and Louth's long run without a Leinster seem to have made people go a bit mad. There won't be a reply nor should there be. Time for Louth to get the heads down and prepare for their next game. They are a good team and should be looking to go further.
But it didn't happen in the first minute did it? Why do people persist with irrelevant arguments?
Oh right, I see now. So irrelevant arguments are those that you don't agree with? You, and others need to straighten out the knickers and realise that the GAA will not award a replay (Don't think Meath will either).
No, irrelevant arguments are ones about things that didn't happen.
I know the Gaa won't award a reply please point out where I said they would. I am completely against a replay as I believe Louth won the game fair and square.
Louth did not win the game. You may feel they should have but they didn't.
Quote from: heffo on July 11, 2010, 07:50:02 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 11, 2010, 07:42:41 PM
Quote from: heffo on July 11, 2010, 07:33:03 PM
Central Council have no role whatsoever in a game that falls under Leinster's remit - you should know that.
Was it the Munster CCCCCCCCCC that banned Sé and Galvin?
No ! so why cannot he said CCCC review this disgraceful error and make it right.?
I've been harping on about Umpires for years yet the GAA continued to keep its head in the sand and ignore the problem which came back to bite with a vengeance today ruining a great day for Louth GAA people.
Also who was responsible for Security today?
Surely there should have been a posse organised to surround the ref right away.
Will you repost that garbage - I can't read it.
I'm stating facts.
You're also confusing Central Council & the CCCC.
Let me know if you'd like a laymans version of GAA for dummies.
Who the fcuk do you think you are you arrogant ignorant asshole >:( >:(
Delete your insulting post you ****
In all fairness.. we all complain that soccer should have viedo ref... but gaa gas 4 umpires and I thought that it was abd always is a great idea.. so where was the umpire today.. the ref should be sent home ans how about replaying 15 mins a side with the same score before the meath goal...
Quote from: RMDrive on July 11, 2010, 07:46:47 PM
If this had happened in the first minute would people still be calling for a replay?
If it had happened in the first minute Louth would have had 69 minutes to put things right. As it stands they had no chance, which is very unfair.
Quote from: RMDrive on July 11, 2010, 07:46:47 PM
If it was a point that was given but had gone wide?
Quite possibly. As discussed elsewhere it has happened in the Championship before.
Quote from: RMDrive on July 11, 2010, 07:46:47 PM
If a player had received a red card but didn't leave the playing area?
If the sent off player affected the outcome, then yes, a replay may well be appropriate.
We have can be proud of have one up on FIFA by having umpires by 4.. that was up until today. the umpire should have spoke to the ref and stood by the rules... square ball or goal disallowed... why don't they replay 15 mins each half.. with the scores starting off before the Meath goal...
Quote from: lawnseed on July 11, 2010, 07:07:28 PM
Cooney already throwing up shite about the ref getting roughed up didnt want to get off the fence and say what most gaels think- it has to be a replay. thought i saw sludsie heading into the lisdoo for his dinner just now :D :D :D
Mr Cooney of FAS .I am sure he will sort it out quick smart ?
Quote from: RMDrive on July 11, 2010, 08:07:33 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 08:01:32 PM
Quote from: RMDrive on July 11, 2010, 07:58:48 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 07:49:15 PM
Quote from: RMDrive on July 11, 2010, 07:46:47 PM
If this had happened in the first minute would people still be calling for a replay? If it was a point that was given but had gone wide? If a player had received a red card but didn't leave the playing area?
A combination of the stage in the game and Louth's long run without a Leinster seem to have made people go a bit mad. There won't be a reply nor should there be. Time for Louth to get the heads down and prepare for their next game. They are a good team and should be looking to go further.
But it didn't happen in the first minute did it? Why do people persist with irrelevant arguments?
Oh right, I see now. So irrelevant arguments are those that you don't agree with? You, and others need to straighten out the knickers and realise that the GAA will not award a replay (Don't think Meath will either).
No, irrelevant arguments are ones about things that didn't happen.
I know the Gaa won't award a reply please point out where I said they would. I am completely against a replay as I believe Louth won the game fair and square.
Louth did not win the game. You may feel they should have but they didn't.
The referee awarded a goal to Meath, blew full time and de facto awarded them the game. The Gaa and some people here will hide behind rulebooks, dangerous precedents and worst of all suggestions that Louth didn't deserve to win (did Meath?) to avoid the obvious injustice that was committed.
Sport should be able to right terrible wrongs just like every other walk of life should. The difference is most other walks of life at least try, the Gaa will shrug its shoulders and say it isn't in the rulebook.
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 08:01:32 PM
Quote from: RMDrive on July 11, 2010, 07:58:48 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 07:49:15 PM
Quote from: RMDrive on July 11, 2010, 07:46:47 PM
If this had happened in the first minute would people still be calling for a replay? If it was a point that was given but had gone wide? If a player had received a red card but didn't leave the playing area?
A combination of the stage in the game and Louth's long run without a Leinster seem to have made people go a bit mad. There won't be a reply nor should there be. Time for Louth to get the heads down and prepare for their next game. They are a good team and should be looking to go further.
But it didn't happen in the first minute did it? Why do people persist with irrelevant arguments?
Oh right, I see now. So irrelevant arguments are those that you don't agree with? You, and others need to straighten out the knickers and realise that the GAA will not award a replay (Don't think Meath will either).
No, irrelevant arguments are ones about things that didn't happen.
I know the Gaa won't award a reply please point out where I said they would. I am completely against a replay as I believe Louth won the game fair and square.
you should look at the final score from that match then !
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 11, 2010, 08:38:13 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 08:01:32 PM
Quote from: RMDrive on July 11, 2010, 07:58:48 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 07:49:15 PM
Quote from: RMDrive on July 11, 2010, 07:46:47 PM
If this had happened in the first minute would people still be calling for a replay? If it was a point that was given but had gone wide? If a player had received a red card but didn't leave the playing area?
A combination of the stage in the game and Louth's long run without a Leinster seem to have made people go a bit mad. There won't be a reply nor should there be. Time for Louth to get the heads down and prepare for their next game. They are a good team and should be looking to go further.
But it didn't happen in the first minute did it? Why do people persist with irrelevant arguments?
Oh right, I see now. So irrelevant arguments are those that you don't agree with? You, and others need to straighten out the knickers and realise that the GAA will not award a replay (Don't think Meath will either).
No, irrelevant arguments are ones about things that didn't happen.
I know the Gaa won't award a reply please point out where I said they would. I am completely against a replay as I believe Louth won the game fair and square.
you should look at the final score from that match then !
I did and I still believe that Louth won the game fair and square.
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 08:36:43 PM
Quote from: RMDrive on July 11, 2010, 08:07:33 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 08:01:32 PM
Quote from: RMDrive on July 11, 2010, 07:58:48 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 11, 2010, 07:49:15 PM
Quote from: RMDrive on July 11, 2010, 07:46:47 PM
If this had happened in the first minute would people still be calling for a replay? If it was a point that was given but had gone wide? If a player had received a red card but didn't leave the playing area?
A combination of the stage in the game and Louth's long run without a Leinster seem to have made people go a bit mad. There won't be a reply nor should there be. Time for Louth to get the heads down and prepare for their next game. They are a good team and should be looking to go further.
But it didn't happen in the first minute did it? Why do people persist with irrelevant arguments?
Oh right, I see now. So irrelevant arguments are those that you don't agree with? You, and others need to straighten out the knickers and realise that the GAA will not award a replay (Don't think Meath will either).
No, irrelevant arguments are ones about things that didn't happen.
I know the Gaa won't award a reply please point out where I said they would. I am completely against a replay as I believe Louth won the game fair and square.
Louth did not win the game. You may feel they should have but they didn't.
The referee awarded a goal to Meath, blew full time and de facto awarded them the game. The Gaa and some people here will hide behind rulebooks, dangerous precedents and worst of all suggestions that Louth didn't deserve to win (did Meath?) to avoid the obvious injustice that was committed.
Sport should be able to right terrible wrongs just like every other walk of life should. The difference is most other walks of life at least try, the Gaa will shrug its shoulders and say it isn't in the rulebook.
My point is, how terrible should the wrong be before it is corrected? Surely all wrongs are terrible? If the GAA replays this game then how many others will have to follow suit. Up and down the country this weekend it is likely that there were games decided based on errors from officials. Should they all be replayed? The outrage is all very well and everyones heart goes out to Louth but they are not the first team to get shafted like this and they won't be the last. And as I said before they would be best served by everyone letting them get the heads down for their next game.
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If this had happened in the first minute would people still be calling for a replay? If it was a point that was given but had gone wide? If a player had received a red card but didn't leave the playing area?
A combination of the stage in the game and Louth's long run without a Leinster seem to have made people go a bit mad. There won't be a reply nor should there be. Time for Louth to get the heads down and prepare for their next game. They are a good team and should be looking to go further.
But it didn't happen in the first minute did it? Why do people persist with irrelevant arguments?
Oh right, I see now. So irrelevant arguments are those that you don't agree with? You, and others need to straighten out the knickers and realise that the GAA will not award a replay (Don't think Meath will either).
No, irrelevant arguments are ones about things that didn't happen.
I know the Gaa won't award a reply please point out where I said they would. I am completely against a replay as I believe Louth won the game fair and square.
Louth did not win the game. You may feel they should have but they didn't.
The referee awarded a goal to Meath, blew full time and de facto awarded them the game. The Gaa and some people here will hide behind rulebooks, dangerous precedents and worst of all suggestions that Louth didn't deserve to win (did Meath?) to avoid the obvious injustice that was committed.
Sport should be able to right terrible wrongs just like every other walk of life should. The difference is most other walks of life at least try, the Gaa will shrug its shoulders and say it isn't in the rulebook.
My point is, how terrible should the wrong be before it is corrected? Surely all wrongs are terrible? If the GAA replays this game then how many others will have to follow suit. Up and down the country this weekend it is likely that there were games decided based on errors from officials. Should they all be replayed? The outrage is all very well and everyones heart goes out to Louth but they are not the first team to get shafted like this and they won't be the last. And as I said before they would be best served by everyone letting them get the heads down for their next game.
thats 100% correct, but while people are still raging over louth losing (meath winning) and that one bad refs error - you wont get people to agree while they are emotionally upset !
but like normal thr ref seemed to be playing for the draw.. look ay the waterford cork game... a draw.. how was it that over a munite and a half was played before the Meath goal was scored.. something has to be done.. maybe Meath should suggest a replay.. then again its been so long from their last Leinster title.. fair play may not come into it...
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If this had happened in the first minute would people still be calling for a replay? If it was a point that was given but had gone wide? If a player had received a red card but didn't leave the playing area?
A combination of the stage in the game and Louth's long run without a Leinster seem to have made people go a bit mad. There won't be a reply nor should there be. Time for Louth to get the heads down and prepare for their next game. They are a good team and should be looking to go further.
But it didn't happen in the first minute did it? Why do people persist with irrelevant arguments?
Oh right, I see now. So irrelevant arguments are those that you don't agree with? You, and others need to straighten out the knickers and realise that the GAA will not award a replay (Don't think Meath will either).
No, irrelevant arguments are ones about things that didn't happen.
I know the Gaa won't award a reply please point out where I said they would. I am completely against a replay as I believe Louth won the game fair and square.
Louth did not win the game. You may feel they should have but they didn't.
The referee awarded a goal to Meath, blew full time and de facto awarded them the game. The Gaa and some people here will hide behind rulebooks, dangerous precedents and worst of all suggestions that Louth didn't deserve to win (did Meath?) to avoid the obvious injustice that was committed.
Sport should be able to right terrible wrongs just like every other walk of life should. The difference is most other walks of life at least try, the Gaa will shrug its shoulders and say it isn't in the rulebook.
My point is, how terrible should the wrong be before it is corrected? Surely all wrongs are terrible? If the GAA replays this game then how many others will have to follow suit. Up and down the country this weekend it is likely that there were games decided based on errors from officials. Should they all be replayed? The outrage is all very well and everyones heart goes out to Louth but they are not the first team to get shafted like this and they won't be the last. And as I said before they would be best served by everyone letting them get the heads down for their next game.
There is a huge difference between this and all other wrongs. Not a single person other than Joe Sheridan has argued that the goal should stand. Most other wrongs are open to interpretation and are usually disputed by both sides involved, in which case you have to accept the decision of the official.
This wrong is indisputable.
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If this had happened in the first minute would people still be calling for a replay? If it was a point that was given but had gone wide? If a player had received a red card but didn't leave the playing area?
A combination of the stage in the game and Louth's long run without a Leinster seem to have made people go a bit mad. There won't be a reply nor should there be. Time for Louth to get the heads down and prepare for their next game. They are a good team and should be looking to go further.
But it didn't happen in the first minute did it? Why do people persist with irrelevant arguments?
Oh right, I see now. So irrelevant arguments are those that you don't agree with? You, and others need to straighten out the knickers and realise that the GAA will not award a replay (Don't think Meath will either).
No, irrelevant arguments are ones about things that didn't happen.
I know the Gaa won't award a reply please point out where I said they would. I am completely against a replay as I believe Louth won the game fair and square.
Louth did not win the game. You may feel they should have but they didn't.
The referee awarded a goal to Meath, blew full time and de facto awarded them the game. The Gaa and some people here will hide behind rulebooks, dangerous precedents and worst of all suggestions that Louth didn't deserve to win (did Meath?) to avoid the obvious injustice that was committed.
Sport should be able to right terrible wrongs just like every other walk of life should. The difference is most other walks of life at least try, the Gaa will shrug its shoulders and say it isn't in the rulebook.
My point is, how terrible should the wrong be before it is corrected? Surely all wrongs are terrible? If the GAA replays this game then how many others will have to follow suit. Up and down the country this weekend it is likely that there were games decided based on errors from officials. Should they all be replayed? The outrage is all very well and everyones heart goes out to Louth but they are not the first team to get shafted like this and they won't be the last. And as I said before they would be best served by everyone letting them get the heads down for their next game.
Exactly. I played an u16 final two years ago. A shot was about two yards over the line but I instinctively jumped back and slapped it away and back out of the goal-mouth. Ref never copped. Should the Ballygobackwards team we were playing in a Roinn D final get a replay aswell?
It is a can of worms. I think the long-term solution is to actually make it clear to umpires what there duties are and maybe get clubs refs from the designated referees county to do the duties.
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If this had happened in the first minute would people still be calling for a replay? If it was a point that was given but had gone wide? If a player had received a red card but didn't leave the playing area?
A combination of the stage in the game and Louth's long run without a Leinster seem to have made people go a bit mad. There won't be a reply nor should there be. Time for Louth to get the heads down and prepare for their next game. They are a good team and should be looking to go further.
But it didn't happen in the first minute did it? Why do people persist with irrelevant arguments?
Oh right, I see now. So irrelevant arguments are those that you don't agree with? You, and others need to straighten out the knickers and realise that the GAA will not award a replay (Don't think Meath will either).
No, irrelevant arguments are ones about things that didn't happen.
I know the Gaa won't award a reply please point out where I said they would. I am completely against a replay as I believe Louth won the game fair and square.
Louth did not win the game. You may feel they should have but they didn't.
The referee awarded a goal to Meath, blew full time and de facto awarded them the game. The Gaa and some people here will hide behind rulebooks, dangerous precedents and worst of all suggestions that Louth didn't deserve to win (did Meath?) to avoid the obvious injustice that was committed.
Sport should be able to right terrible wrongs just like every other walk of life should. The difference is most other walks of life at least try, the Gaa will shrug its shoulders and say it isn't in the rulebook.
My point is, how terrible should the wrong be before it is corrected? Surely all wrongs are terrible? If the GAA replays this game then how many others will have to follow suit. Up and down the country this weekend it is likely that there were games decided based on errors from officials. Should they all be replayed? The outrage is all very well and everyones heart goes out to Louth but they are not the first team to get shafted like this and they won't be the last. And as I said before they would be best served by everyone letting them get the heads down for their next game.
Exactly. I played an u16 final two years ago. A shot was about two yards over the line but I instinctively jumped back and slapped it away and back out of the goal-mouth. Ref never copped. Should the Ballygobackwards team we were playing in a Roinn D final get a replay aswell?
It is a can of worms. I think the long-term solution is to actually make it clear to umpires what there duties are and maybe get clubs refs from the designated referees county to do the duties.
You might be happy that the integrity of the game has been shown to be seriously lacking, but I'm not.
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If this had happened in the first minute would people still be calling for a replay? If it was a point that was given but had gone wide? If a player had received a red card but didn't leave the playing area?
A combination of the stage in the game and Louth's long run without a Leinster seem to have made people go a bit mad. There won't be a reply nor should there be. Time for Louth to get the heads down and prepare for their next game. They are a good team and should be looking to go further.
But it didn't happen in the first minute did it? Why do people persist with irrelevant arguments?
Oh right, I see now. So irrelevant arguments are those that you don't agree with? You, and others need to straighten out the knickers and realise that the GAA will not award a replay (Don't think Meath will either).
No, irrelevant arguments are ones about things that didn't happen.
I know the Gaa won't award a reply please point out where I said they would. I am completely against a replay as I believe Louth won the game fair and square.
Louth did not win the game. You may feel they should have but they didn't.
The referee awarded a goal to Meath, blew full time and de facto awarded them the game. The Gaa and some people here will hide behind rulebooks, dangerous precedents and worst of all suggestions that Louth didn't deserve to win (did Meath?) to avoid the obvious injustice that was committed.
Sport should be able to right terrible wrongs just like every other walk of life should. The difference is most other walks of life at least try, the Gaa will shrug its shoulders and say it isn't in the rulebook.
My point is, how terrible should the wrong be before it is corrected? Surely all wrongs are terrible? If the GAA replays this game then how many others will have to follow suit. Up and down the country this weekend it is likely that there were games decided based on errors from officials. Should they all be replayed? The outrage is all very well and everyones heart goes out to Louth but they are not the first team to get shafted like this and they won't be the last. And as I said before they would be best served by everyone letting them get the heads down for their next game.
There is a huge difference between this and all other wrongs. Not a single person other than Joe Sheridan has argued that the goal should stand. Most other wrongs are open to interpretation and are usually disputed by both sides involved, in which case you have to accept the decision of the official.
This wrong is indisputable.
How is there a huge difference? A lot of wrongs are indisputable. Are you honestly suggesting that nothing as unfair as this has happened before?
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If this had happened in the first minute would people still be calling for a replay? If it was a point that was given but had gone wide? If a player had received a red card but didn't leave the playing area?
A combination of the stage in the game and Louth's long run without a Leinster seem to have made people go a bit mad. There won't be a reply nor should there be. Time for Louth to get the heads down and prepare for their next game. They are a good team and should be looking to go further.
But it didn't happen in the first minute did it? Why do people persist with irrelevant arguments?
Oh right, I see now. So irrelevant arguments are those that you don't agree with? You, and others need to straighten out the knickers and realise that the GAA will not award a replay (Don't think Meath will either).
No, irrelevant arguments are ones about things that didn't happen.
I know the Gaa won't award a reply please point out where I said they would. I am completely against a replay as I believe Louth won the game fair and square.
Louth did not win the game. You may feel they should have but they didn't.
The referee awarded a goal to Meath, blew full time and de facto awarded them the game. The Gaa and some people here will hide behind rulebooks, dangerous precedents and worst of all suggestions that Louth didn't deserve to win (did Meath?) to avoid the obvious injustice that was committed.
Sport should be able to right terrible wrongs just like every other walk of life should. The difference is most other walks of life at least try, the Gaa will shrug its shoulders and say it isn't in the rulebook.
My point is, how terrible should the wrong be before it is corrected? Surely all wrongs are terrible? If the GAA replays this game then how many others will have to follow suit. Up and down the country this weekend it is likely that there were games decided based on errors from officials. Should they all be replayed? The outrage is all very well and everyones heart goes out to Louth but they are not the first team to get shafted like this and they won't be the last. And as I said before they would be best served by everyone letting them get the heads down for their next game.
There is a huge difference between this and all other wrongs. Not a single person other than Joe Sheridan has argued that the goal should stand. Most other wrongs are open to interpretation and are usually disputed by both sides involved, in which case you have to accept the decision of the official.
This wrong is indisputable.
How is there a huge difference? A lot of wrongs are indisputable. Are you honestly suggesting that nothing as unfair as this has happened before?
This is about the 3rd post that you put words in my mouth.
I have suggested nothing of the sort. You are the one generalising all the time talking about all other wrongs.
Do you accept that Louth were cheated out of a Provincial Title today?
If so what
should (note not will) be done about it?
Just had a thought ;D
If the ref says he would have awarded a penalty had the goal not stood, why not bring them back tomorrow for the penalty! If a goal is scored, Meath win, if the Meath lad takes his point its a replay, and if its a save then Louth win. Last kick of the game, so no rebound - all you'll need is two lads!
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Just had a thought ;D
If the ref says he would have awarded a penalty had the goal not stood, why not bring them back tomorrow for the penalty! If a goal is scored, Meath win, if the Meath lad takes his point its a replay, and if its a save then Louth win. Last kick of the game, so no rebound - all you'll need is two lads!
They would have 84,000 to watch it too ;D
It has .. if you can remember Roscommon Mionrs played galway in a connacht final in 1989 in castlebar. Roscommon were down to with on 1 point of galway with the last seconds to go.. then Roscommon got a peno. the roscommon playier was told to pop it over to draw the game... everone bar the peno taker was outside the 21 yard line.. but another roscommon player had other ideas... and ran up and scored a goal... ther was now 2 roscommon players inside the 21yard line but the goal stood... the ref even spoke to the umpire and the goal was allowed.... the galway players protested.. and got a replay..... roscommon still went on to win the replay.... same thing a goal that was that should not hav been... but there was a replay
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It has .. if you can remember Roscommon Mionrs played galway in a connacht final in 1989 in castlebar. Roscommon were down to with on 1 point of galway with the last seconds to go.. then Roscommon got a peno. the roscommon playier was told to pop it over to draw the game... everone bar the peno taker was outside the 21 yard line.. but another roscommon player had other ideas... and ran up and scored a goal... ther was now 2 roscommon players inside the 21yard line but the goal stood... the ref even spoke to the umpire and the goal was allowed.... the galway players protested.. and got a replay..... roscommon still went on to win the replay.... same thing a goal that was that should not hav been... but there was a replay
I remember that alright, crazy stuff, was listening to it on Mid West.
Werent Galway awarded the game officially by the connacht Council as the ref had disallowed the goal??
Then if I remember correctly Galway agreed to a replay.
Cake Curran :D was the man who took the penalty.
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It has .. if you can remember Roscommon Mionrs played galway in a connacht final in 1989 in castlebar. Roscommon were down to with on 1 point of galway with the last seconds to go.. then Roscommon got a peno. the roscommon playier was told to pop it over to draw the game... everone bar the peno taker was outside the 21 yard line.. but another roscommon player had other ideas... and ran up and scored a goal... ther was now 2 roscommon players inside the 21yard line but the goal stood... the ref even spoke to the umpire and the goal was allowed.... the galway players protested.. and got a replay..... roscommon still went on to win the replay.... same thing a goal that was that should not hav been... but there was a replay
Just posted this on the other thread. The goal was disallowed by the ref. I was a steward that day and knew players on both teams.
BTW umpires at these games are trained. The ref can't pick four friends and bring them down the road. They have to be pre-approved and trained. I haven't seen any of what happened yet but what is most worrying are the pitch invasion stories.
There are 10's of thousands week in, week out at soccer match's (over 84,000 at the world cup final tonight) and yet they don't invade. In todays match programme (Fermanagh v. Armagh) Sean Cavanagh talks about his experiences of pitch invasions from a players point of view.
We all need to cop ourselves on from here on in from the smallest club unit through to county boards and drive home the directive - no pitch invasions before someone gets killed - be they a player, official or supporter.
The rules are very clear about how goals can be scored and you can not throw the ball over the line BUT if you are in possession of the ball and fall you can play the ball and score provided the ball is within your vicinity. You can't fall down and play the ball that you were not on possession of.
So I'll see it later and then make my own mind up. Unfortunately there is no recourse in 99.9999% of games to reverse a scoreline - no matter how unkind it may appear. Does anyone have the stats on the game? Wides, shots for both teams???
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I cannot understand why people are giving out about the umpires. They have absolutely no authority and are there to assist the referee only. If the referee saw the incident clearly then he showed an alarming lack of knowledge of the rules of the game and shouldn t be refereeing at this level.
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My biggest beef is his sheer arrogance in the immediate aftermath. He didnt consult the umpire- he told him to raise the green flag. He should have taken his time and consulted BOTH umpires before making a decisions. Why didn't he do this?
OK, here is where I am going to disagree ...even with myself from earlier posts :D
On reflection, there is no such authority given to umpires (or linesmen) in the Official Guide. They are not proto referees (reinforced by the fact that they don't have to be "qualified" in any way). They have very limited authority as to what they adjudicate on (wide, score, 45, etc.). The referee can overrule their adjudications. An additional duty for umpires is:
(ii) The umpires shall bring to the notice of
the referee, during a break in play, any
instances of foul play in particular, rough or
dangerous play, striking, hitting, or kicking, or
unauthorised incursions onto the field of play,
which have not been noticed by the Referee.While "foul play" could technically include square balls, foul throws, etc. I don't think that is the intention of this part. It is more clearly intended to cover the typical "off-the-ball" instances that the referee misses. And probably more for the application of retrospective cards, not live adjudication as it were.
i.e. the referee, and the referee alone, decides the "run of play" infractions. Ask yourself, have you in recent times ever seen an intercounty referee consult with an umpire over any on-the-ball "foul" for a second opinion? (or, more to the point, even a linesman, who
would be qualified).
I suspect the umpires didn't have the authority to adjudicate on the legitimacy of the goal. I also think Sludden didn't have the authority to consult their view other than "was it over the line?". Otherwise, umpires would be required to be "qualified referees" which they are not.
Should be changed, perhaps, but how would that work in your typical club match? ::)
I have come to the conclusion that Sludden was just incompetent in missing the square ball and the throw but not necessarily arrogant for not consulting his umpires ;)
(if it has been reported correctly that he said that he should have given a penalty instead then I would add "weak" to the charge sheet :D)
QuoteWhile "foul play" could technically include square balls, foul throws, etc. I don't think that is the intention of this part. It is more clearly intended to cover the typical "off-the-ball" instances that the referee misses. And probably more for the application of retrospective cards, not live adjudication as it were.
i.e. the referee, and the referee alone, decides the "run of play" infractions. Ask yourself, have you in recent times ever seen an intercounty referee consult with an umpire over any on-the-ball "foul"? (or, more to the point, even a linesman, who would be qualified).
In an U21 Munster hurling final 2 years ago a goalie was penalised for taking a puckout from outside the small square and it was the umpire who called this. So it appears that they can get involved with these type of technical fouls.
QuoteShould be changed, perhaps, but how would that work in your typical club match?
Club and IC should be dealt with separately, there are a lot of things that don't happen at club level (e.g. linesmen) that are standard at IC level.
QuoteI have come to the conclusion that Sludden was just incompetent in missing the square ball and the throw but not necessarily arrogant for not consulting his umpires
He should have asked them what they saw IMO and then adjudicated on the merits of that.
sorry I was there as well .. the goal was allowed for roscommon... thats fact.... the ref blew the final whistle any to misallow a goal both umpires have to walk into the middle of the goal the cross their flags.... that is also fact
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sorry I was there as well .. the goal was allowed for roscommon... thats fact.... the ref blew the final whistle any to misallow a goal both umpires have to walk into the middle of the goal the cross their flags.... that is also fact
Roscommon thought the goal was allowed. It wasn't.
Umpires not doing their job correctly is hardly surprising is it?
Quote from: Zulu on July 11, 2010, 09:28:00 PM
In an U21 Munster hurling final 2 years ago a goalie was penalised for taking a puckout from outside the small square and it was the umpire who called this.
How did that work Zulu? Did the referee stop the game as soon as the umpire's flag went up or did he wait until the next break in play and then bring the game back? Neither are allowed for in the rules.
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So it appears that they can get involved with these type of technical fouls.
Of course, anything can happen ;) But if it was legitimate, would you not expect to see it happen routinely particularly at senior level?
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Club and IC should be dealt with separately, there are a lot of things that don't happen at club level (e.g. linesmen) that are standard at IC level.
Don't understand the linesmen bit, but any differences (e.g. time) are explicitly covered in the rules. No?
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He should have asked them what they saw IMO and then adjudicated on the merits of that.
I thought that initially, and I have some sympathy for that view, but can you show me where it is allowed for in the rules?
QuoteHow did that work Zulu? Did the referee stop the game as soon as the umpire's flag went up or did he wait until the next break in play and then bring the game back? Neither are allowed for in the rules.
No, the game went on and Clare won a free, which they scored to put them in the lead with time almost up. The ref then saw the umpire with the hand up and he went down to him was told what had happened and then cancelled the free and instead gave a 65 to Tipp which they pointed and won the game from. That might not be quite the exact series of events but it is basically what happened, the only bit I'm unsure of is the Clare free, but the play did go on and the ref did call it back.
QuoteOf course, anything can happen ;) But if it was legitimate, would you not expect to see it happen routinely particularly at senior level?
Yeah I'm not sure if it is legitimate, just saying it has happened. Which I suppose just highlights the confusion that reigns.
QuoteDon't understand the linesmen bit, but any differences (e.g. time) are explicitly covered in the rules. No?
I've often played in games without any linesmen at club level, or at best the linesman (or umpires) are not neutral so I think we should bring something into the IC game if it benefits the game at that level even if it isn't practical at club level.
QuoteI thought that initially, and I have some sympathy for that view, but can you show me where it is allowed for in the rules?
I can't but I don't think it is prohibited in the rules, is it?
Would this part of the rule you posted not cover this,
Quote(ii) The umpires shall bring to the notice of the referee, during a break in play, any instances of foul play
Sheridan threw the ball into the net so could they not have told the ref this, during that break in play?
Quote from: Rossfan on July 11, 2010, 09:05:38 PM
Werent Galway awarded the game officially by the connacht Council as the ref had disallowed the goal??
Then if I remember correctly Galway agreed to a replay.
Cake Curran :D was the man who took the penalty.
Ros were given the cup and did a lap of honor. Since the ref was surrounded by Galway players after the match, at that time he had not disallowed the penalty. Connacht Council then awarded the game to Galway after ref said he had disallowed the goal. Galway offered a replay. You had several precedents in that one.
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Quote from: Rossfan on July 11, 2010, 09:05:38 PM
Werent Galway awarded the game officially by the connacht Council as the ref had disallowed the goal??
Then if I remember correctly Galway agreed to a replay.
Cake Curran :D was the man who took the penalty.
Ros were given the cup and did a lap of honor. Since the ref was surrounded by Galway players after the match, at that time he had not disallowed the penalty. Connacht Council then awarded the game to Galway after ref said he had disallowed the goal. Galway offered a replay. You had several precedents in that one.
I think what happened was that he told both sets of players that it was the last kick of the game. When the ball hit the net the Ros players ran off celebrating which was reasonable enough from their point of view as they didn't know any different. They then were presented with the cup. Meanwhile the Galway players protested with the ref and he confirmed to them that he had disallowed the goal. I met the guys I knew from both teams afterwards and both sides were convinced that they had won. It was a situation even crazier than today's but common sense prevailed even if I suspect Galway's motives were Tony Keady based rather than any sense of integrity.
Is there no seperate thread on the assault on the ref? Not like the gaaboard to miss that.
the game wont be replayed .the problem is at the top of the gaa we are dealing with muppets who dont know who was even playing today.the umpires should have seen that it wasnt a goal.its unfair on the players who put so much effort in to be wronged by officals who clearly arent up to performing at the highest level
Jesus them scenes looked horrible in the Sunday game. I didnt realise that neither umpire even moved after the ball was in the net. Why didnt the ref consult them.
Louth were wobbed.
Quote from: Zulu on July 11, 2010, 10:10:19 PM
I can't but I don't think it is prohibited in the rules, is it?
There's nothing in the rules to say that the referee can't phone up RTE for their opinion either ;)
But both could be interpreted as undermining the authority of the referee?
I think the rule book implies that the umpire's responsibilities are intended for retrospective disciplinary purposes (e.g. cards) given that the specified emphasis being on rough play and the fact that the umpires are expected to report to the referee at the next break in play. Too late for any corrective play to be legitimately applied - see the new "advantage" rule.
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Would this part of the rule you posted not cover this,
Quote(ii) The umpires shall bring to the notice of the referee, during a break in play, any instances of foul play
Sheridan threw the ball into the net so could they not have told the ref this, during that break in play?
But supposing Sheridan had thrown the ball into another player's hands and after a further (long) period of play Meath then got their goal? The referee couldn't then legitimately call the play back - and certainly wouldn't on the call of an umpire. What constiutes a foul throw would surely be a referee's call alone? (umpires are not required to be qualified referees afterall).
I suspect from observation of common practice that referees have been told not to consult umpires or linesmen on matters of active play outside of their explicit remit (scores, wides, line balls, etc.). But it would be good to have it officially clarified ...so that we can villify the various officials involved in today's debacle appropriately :D
:D :D Yeah, by the time we figure out who's to blame we'll have calmed down and won't bother posting the abusive 15 page letter to him. :D
On a serious note, the fact the Joe was over the line with the ball when he threw/attempted to kick the ball would possibly fall into the realm of the umpires responsibility. Could they not have told the ref that the ball was over the line but that Joe was holding onto it at the time? Which would have made any action illegal after it.
QuoteJesus them scenes looked horrible in the Sunday game. I didnt realise that neither umpire even moved after the ball was in the net. Why didnt the ref consult them.
This is an absolute key point. Why did they not immediately put up the flag? Both knew that it was not a goal. The ref should not record the score until the flag goes up (Not sure thats an official rule but its common sense). The fact that he simply did not consult with the umpire (He just told them to put up the flag) makes me feel there might be more to this than an honest mistake.
Meath co board meeting tomorrow night. They have to offer a rematch. Its only sensible solution to this.
Laois did it in 1995 when their "winning" point was proved to be well wide against us. Fair play to them it was the right thing to do. Meath have to do the same.
Quote from: stevecw on July 11, 2010, 11:34:12 PM
Meath co board meeting tomorrow night. They have to offer a rematch. Its only sensible solution to this.
Laois did it in 1995 when their "winning" point was proved to be well wide against us. Fair play to them it was the right thing to do. Meath have to do the same.
Poor but proud us Laois fellas...
We knew we'd hammer ye in the replay anyways ;)
QuoteWe knew we'd hammer ye in the replay anyways
If there is a replay, Metah could well hammer Louth
the umpires have a responsibility to be fair on everything they see and do.this was very simple to sort out all they had to do was call in the ref and tell him what had happened.forget all these rules its just common sense to do whats right there would have been alot more thought of them if they had put up their hand and pointed out the injustice
From what I understand, umpires will be officials and have experience of reffing or officiating at matches. 2 points....
1. if they are experienced, they should be able to advise the ref when he is unable to pass judgement on an incident, no matter if it is technical or aggressive
2. if they are not experienced they should be in the stand, nowhere near the pitch
Martin's body language was obvious, he didn't see the incident, the nonsense rules relating to the advice he can take resulted in the farce at the end. All the officials were caught like rabbits in a headlight due to the rule book on officiating.
Louth should direct their vitriol at the rule makers, the men in white coats are certainly required.....but not anywhere near the goals.
Its typical of the GAA. A replay is actually completely incorrect and outside the rules but its what most will settle for and what will probably happen. There is clear video evidence to rebut the referees award of the goal at the end so the CCCC (if they are doing their job) should simply award the game to Louth. Of course this won't happen. O'Rourke's little joke about what if it happen to Meath was moot. A goal would NEVER be awarded against them or the other "big" counties in the same circumstances.
I do really feel sorry for the Louth players. They have been very hard done by but I dont think there should be a replay. For one, it would set a precident for every match that involves a controversial decision to be replayed, but a second point to note is that Louth were given many very dubious frees during the match with resulted in or led to scores for Louth. Im a firm believer that these decisions tend to even themselves out over the course of a match and i believe thats whats happened today.
Quote from: Royalranter on July 11, 2010, 11:55:53 PM
I do really feel sorry for the Louth players. They have been very hard done by but I dont think there should be a replay. For one, it would set a precident for every match that involves a controversial decision to be replayed, but a second point to note is that Louth were given many very dubious frees during the match with resulted in or led to scores for Louth. Im a firm believer that these decisions tend to even themselves out over the course of a match and i believe thats whats happened today.
If you're from Meath, they do.
Quote from: Royalranter on July 11, 2010, 11:55:53 PM
I do really feel sorry for the Louth players. They have been very hard done by but I dont think there should be a replay. For one, it would set a precident for every match that involves a controversial decision to be replayed, but a second point to note is that Louth were given many very dubious frees during the match with resulted in or led to scores for Louth. Im a firm believer that these decisions tend to even themselves out over the course of a match and i believe thats whats happened today.
Correct and that is the nub of the problem, regardless of how outraged people are by this you just know that this would be used in less clear cut cases to force replays or matches being awarded.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 11, 2010, 11:36:23 PM
Quote from: stevecw on July 11, 2010, 11:34:12 PM
Meath co board meeting tomorrow night. They have to offer a rematch. Its only sensible solution to this.
Laois did it in 1995 when their "winning" point was proved to be well wide against us. Fair play to them it was the right thing to do. Meath have to do the same.
Poor but proud us Laois fellas...
We knew we'd hammer ye in the replay anyways ;)
Haha ye were behind for most of that replay!!! Lucky to scrape by with a 3 pt win in the end!! Was no hammering :)
Quote from: Royalranter on July 11, 2010, 11:55:53 PM
I do really feel sorry for the Louth players. They have been very hard done by but I dont think there should be a replay. For one, it would set a precident for every match that involves a controversial decision to be replayed, but a second point to note is that Louth were given many very dubious frees during the match with resulted in or led to scores for Louth. Im a firm believer that these decisions tend to even themselves out over the course of a match and i believe thats whats happened today.
Other replays have been given and you couldn't say any precedent was set.
Quote from: Royalranter on July 11, 2010, 11:55:53 PM
I do really feel sorry for the Louth players. They have been very hard done by but I dont think there should be a replay. For one, it would set a precident for every match that involves a controversial decision to be replayed, but a second point to note is that Louth were given many very dubious frees during the match with resulted in or led to scores for Louth. Im a firm believer that these decisions tend to even themselves out over the course of a match and i believe thats whats happened today.
Can we end this particular spurious argument once and for all? All Irelands used to be decided by committee decades ago. The precedent has already been set for this therefore this game wouldn't set a precedent.
This crying is embarrassing lads. Teams lose games on bad referreeing / umpiring every week.
Shut up and get on with it
Quote from: muppet on July 12, 2010, 12:02:04 AM
Quote from: Royalranter on July 11, 2010, 11:55:53 PM
I do really feel sorry for the Louth players. They have been very hard done by but I dont think there should be a replay. For one, it would set a precident for every match that involves a controversial decision to be replayed, but a second point to note is that Louth were given many very dubious frees during the match with resulted in or led to scores for Louth. Im a firm believer that these decisions tend to even themselves out over the course of a match and i believe thats whats happened today.
Can we end this particular spurious argument once and for all? All Irelands used to be decided by committee decades ago. The precedent has already been set for this therefore this game wouldn't set a precedent.
Do you not want the game awarded to Louth? Is there a precedent for that?
QuoteThis crying is embarrassing lads. Teams lose games on bad referreeing / umpiring every week.
Shut up and get on with it
Actually, it is very rare for a team to lose on a decision that was so obvious as this. I am not a Louth guy and am completely neutral here. But that has to be one of the worst decisions I have ever seen by a ref (And I have seen bad ones)
Quote from: Mac2 on July 12, 2010, 12:07:39 AM
Quote from: muppet on July 12, 2010, 12:02:04 AM
Quote from: Royalranter on July 11, 2010, 11:55:53 PM
I do really feel sorry for the Louth players. They have been very hard done by but I dont think there should be a replay. For one, it would set a precident for every match that involves a controversial decision to be replayed, but a second point to note is that Louth were given many very dubious frees during the match with resulted in or led to scores for Louth. Im a firm believer that these decisions tend to even themselves out over the course of a match and i believe thats whats happened today.
Can we end this particular spurious argument once and for all? All Irelands used to be decided by committee decades ago. The precedent has already been set for this therefore this game wouldn't set a precedent.
Do you not want the game awarded to Louth? Is there a precedent for that?
Many many precedents.
Read about the 1925 Championship.
Quote from: muppet on July 12, 2010, 12:14:37 AM
Quote from: Mac2 on July 12, 2010, 12:07:39 AM
Quote from: muppet on July 12, 2010, 12:02:04 AM
Quote from: Royalranter on July 11, 2010, 11:55:53 PM
I do really feel sorry for the Louth players. They have been very hard done by but I dont think there should be a replay. For one, it would set a precident for every match that involves a controversial decision to be replayed, but a second point to note is that Louth were given many very dubious frees during the match with resulted in or led to scores for Louth. Im a firm believer that these decisions tend to even themselves out over the course of a match and i believe thats whats happened today.
Can we end this particular spurious argument once and for all? All Irelands used to be decided by committee decades ago. The precedent has already been set for this therefore this game wouldn't set a precedent.
Do you not want the game awarded to Louth? Is there a precedent for that?
Many many precedents.
Read about the 1925 Championship.
ANd the 1995 AIF ;)
Quote from: Zapatista on July 12, 2010, 12:17:32 AM
Quote from: muppet on July 12, 2010, 12:14:37 AM
Quote from: Mac2 on July 12, 2010, 12:07:39 AM
Quote from: muppet on July 12, 2010, 12:02:04 AM
Quote from: Royalranter on July 11, 2010, 11:55:53 PM
I do really feel sorry for the Louth players. They have been very hard done by but I dont think there should be a replay. For one, it would set a precident for every match that involves a controversial decision to be replayed, but a second point to note is that Louth were given many very dubious frees during the match with resulted in or led to scores for Louth. Im a firm believer that these decisions tend to even themselves out over the course of a match and i believe thats whats happened today.
Can we end this particular spurious argument once and for all? All Irelands used to be decided by committee decades ago. The precedent has already been set for this therefore this game wouldn't set a precedent.
Do you not want the game awarded to Louth? Is there a precedent for that?
Many many precedents.
Read about the 1925 Championship.
ANd the 1995 AIF ;)
The type of precedent I'm talking about is where Croker over-ruled the result.
Was the replay shown on the big screen on croke park today?
Quote from: Zapatista on July 12, 2010, 12:17:32 AM
Quote from: muppet on July 12, 2010, 12:14:37 AM
Quote from: Mac2 on July 12, 2010, 12:07:39 AM
Quote from: muppet on July 12, 2010, 12:02:04 AM
Quote from: Royalranter on July 11, 2010, 11:55:53 PM
I do really feel sorry for the Louth players. They have been very hard done by but I dont think there should be a replay. For one, it would set a precident for every match that involves a controversial decision to be replayed, but a second point to note is that Louth were given many very dubious frees during the match with resulted in or led to scores for Louth. Im a firm believer that these decisions tend to even themselves out over the course of a match and i believe thats whats happened today.
Can we end this particular spurious argument once and for all? All Irelands used to be decided by committee decades ago. The precedent has already been set for this therefore this game wouldn't set a precedent.
Do you not want the game awarded to Louth? Is there a precedent for that?
Many many precedents.
Read about the 1925 Championship.
ANd the 1995 AIF ;)
True Zap: not only were we fcuked where a player didn't actually walk after a red-card (Charlie Redmond), but we were denied a perfectly valid equalising point at the death. *
In reality, tough though it was on Louth, they had more than enough chances to put the game beyond Meath, but weren't good enough to take them. The referee's mistake can't and shouldn't camouflage that.
* I know, I know, we'll never give over ;)
If these things tend to even out over time what non goal did Louth not score and get credit for or if its oovertime do they have to wait 50 years to be awarded a non goal!!
Quote from: muppet on July 12, 2010, 12:14:37 AM
Quote from: Mac2 on July 12, 2010, 12:07:39 AM
Quote from: muppet on July 12, 2010, 12:02:04 AM
Quote from: Royalranter on July 11, 2010, 11:55:53 PM
I do really feel sorry for the Louth players. They have been very hard done by but I dont think there should be a replay. For one, it would set a precident for every match that involves a controversial decision to be replayed, but a second point to note is that Louth were given many very dubious frees during the match with resulted in or led to scores for Louth. Im a firm believer that these decisions tend to even themselves out over the course of a match and i believe thats whats happened today.
And look at the mess that championship was. Has there been any in recent memory where a referee's decision re: a score was later overturned?
Can we end this particular spurious argument once and for all? All Irelands used to be decided by committee decades ago. The precedent has already been set for this therefore this game wouldn't set a precedent.
Do you not want the game awarded to Louth? Is there a precedent for that?
Many many precedents.
Read about the 1925 Championship.
Quote from: mckieran on July 12, 2010, 12:10:23 AM
QuoteThis crying is embarrassing lads. Teams lose games on bad referreeing / umpiring every week.
Shut up and get on with it
Actually, it is very rare for a team to lose on a decision that was so obvious as this. I am not a Louth guy and am completely neutral here. But that has to be one of the worst decisions I have ever seen by a ref (And I have seen bad ones)
what about all of the rank decisions that went against meath in the first half? do they carry less weight?
the severity of the poor refereeing decision is the decisive factor?
Game over. meath win. hope an lu come back strong in the qualifiers
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 12, 2010, 12:39:04 AM
Quote from: mckieran on July 12, 2010, 12:10:23 AM
QuoteThis crying is embarrassing lads. Teams lose games on bad referreeing / umpiring every week.
Shut up and get on with it
Actually, it is very rare for a team to lose on a decision that was so obvious as this. I am not a Louth guy and am completely neutral here. But that has to be one of the worst decisions I have ever seen by a ref (And I have seen bad ones)
what about all of the rank decisions that went against meath in the first half? do they carry less weight?
the severity of the poor refereeing decision is the decisive factor?
Game over. meath win. hope an lu come back strong in the qualifiers
Yes.
Quotewhat about all of the rank decisions that went against meath in the first half? do they carry less weight?
Yes, of course they carry less weight. You cannot compare a decision in the first half to a decision regarding the last kick of the game. Thats just ridiculous.
The GAA will side with Louth on this one, an extra day out at Croke park will mean more €€€€€€
However county boards will challenge reults more often if a team is hard done by.
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on July 12, 2010, 12:47:10 AM
The GAA will side with Louth on this one, an extra day out at Croke park will mean more €€€€€€
However county boards will challenge reults more often if a team is hard done by.
They cannot and should not. It would be such a ridiculous precedent.
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on July 12, 2010, 12:47:10 AM
The GAA will side with Louth on this one, an extra day out at Croke park will mean more €€€€€€
I can see it now.
Gaa announce replay.
Gaa insist some rule means same ref has to officiate.
Last minute goalmouth scramble and Sludden incorrectly allows Louth winning 'goal'.
And it begins again.
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 12, 2010, 12:39:04 AM
Quote from: mckieran on July 12, 2010, 12:10:23 AM
QuoteThis crying is embarrassing lads. Teams lose games on bad referreeing / umpiring every week.
Shut up and get on with it
Actually, it is very rare for a team to lose on a decision that was so obvious as this. I am not a Louth guy and am completely neutral here. But that has to be one of the worst decisions I have ever seen by a ref (And I have seen bad ones)
what about all of the rank decisions that went against meath in the first half? do they carry less weight?
the severity of the poor refereeing decision is the decisive factor?
Game over. meath win. hope an lu come back strong in the qualifiers
There is an issue over the quality of refereeing & particularily their ability to keep up with the play, if the ref had been in the square I'm sure he'd never had awarded the goal. Regardless of this I don't think the level of abuse being dished out to refs is fair, this is evidenced by the fact that a lot of counties are finding it difficult to fill the quota of refs they require.
Quote from: mckieran on July 12, 2010, 12:46:42 AM
Quotewhat about all of the rank decisions that went against meath in the first half? do they carry less weight?
Yes, of course they carry less weight. You cannot compare a decision in the first half to a decision regarding the last kick of the game. Thats just ridiculous.
No, its not.
That there are people deluding themselves that there will be a replayed ordered is ridiculous. only way there's a replay is if meath offer it. end of story.
Honestly, this crying is embarrassing
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 12, 2010, 12:54:07 AM
Quote from: mckieran on July 12, 2010, 12:46:42 AM
Quotewhat about all of the rank decisions that went against meath in the first half? do they carry less weight?
Yes, of course they carry less weight. You cannot compare a decision in the first half to a decision regarding the last kick of the game. Thats just ridiculous.
No, its not.
That there are people deluding themselves that there will be a replayed ordered is ridiculous. only way there's a replay is if meath offer it. end of story.
Honestly, this crying is embarrassing
Meath County Board are meeting tomorrow to discuss the situation.
The big wrong here is with the Central Council rules. Sludden was is view would not have been great, he would have seen the ball going into the net and not seen a foul as such so unless he seen a foul he has to award the goal, that is the rules.
He is not permitted to consult the umpires on what happened as that is not their role, THAT IS THE RULES! He had to call it as he seen it and from where he was it would have looked like a goal, he didn't see a foul and the ball ended in the net. The real problem is the rules he had to go by! The GAA need to give the umpires more authority in these cases, they don't at the minute so dont blame Sludden, blame the rules.
In any case, if you go by the umpires reactions, look carefully and you will see the umpire on the other side immediately reach for the flag before he realised he had the white flag!
And if you are a Louth man blame the corner back for carrying the ball into a tackle when time was virtually up instead of moving the ball on down the pitch!!
The real solution would be for the CCC to ask the ref to review a video of the incident, let him decide if he made a mistake and then order a reply if necessary. This would put less pressure on the Meath County Board. Can Galway ask for a replay to for their game, after all the penalty that was given against them yesterday was never a penalty
Quote from: MR99 on July 12, 2010, 12:56:41 AM
The big wrong here is with the Central Council rules. Sludden was is view would not have been great, he would have seen the ball going into the net and not seen a foul as such so unless he seen a foul he has to award the goal, that is the rules.
He is not permitted to consult the umpires on what happened as that is not their role, THAT IS THE RULES! He had to call it as he seen it and from where he was it would have looked like a goal, he didn't see a foul and the ball ended in the net. The real problem is the rules he had to go by! The GAA need to give the umpires more authority in these cases, they don't at the minute so dont blame Sludden, blame the rules.
In any case, if you go by the umpires reactions, look carefully and you will see the umpire on the other side immediately reach for the flag before he realised he had the white flag!
And if you are a Louth man blame the corner back for carrying the ball into a tackle when time was virtually up instead of moving the ball on down the pitch!!
The real solution would be for the CCC to ask the ref to review a video of the incident, let him decide if he made a mistake and then order a reply if necessary. This would put less pressure on the Meath County Board. Can Galway ask for a replay to for their game, after all the penalty that was given against them yesterday was never a penalty
That is subjective. In your opinion it wasn't a penalty however in the refs opinion it was. There is at least reasonable doubt on that one and it is not as cut and dried as today's which is in the Frank Lampard 'goal' territory.
Still not a single post claiming it was a legitimate goal. That says it all.
Quote from: Hound on July 11, 2010, 09:00:06 PM
If the ref says he would have awarded a penalty had the goal not stood, why not bring them back tomorrow for the penalty! If a goal is scored, Meath win, if the Meath lad takes his point its a replay, and if its a save then Louth win. Last kick of the game, so no rebound - all you'll need is two lads!
I'd take that!!
Quote from: MR99 on July 12, 2010, 12:56:41 AM
In any case, if you go by the umpires reactions, look carefully and you will see the umpire on the other side immediately reach for the flag before he realised he had the white flag!
Whatever else about the umpires, I'd say he knew which flag he had, I noticed it too and figured he was anticipating crossing the flags to signal a disallowed goal!
My thoughts on the matter and what I would feel was justice:
1. We don't want to be awarded the game, that would be as unsatisfactory to us as the current state of affairs should be to Meath. A replay is the only way that justice can be served. It is very unfortunate that the only way that this can come about is if Meath offer it! What I would fear is that if they don't offer it that this could turn into this generations "Black Flags" incident and leave a lot of bad feeling between the counties, that is unfortunate as the CCC has that much power in other areas they should be able to act on this, but they can't.
2. Sludden should never be let leave Tyrone again! He carries the responsibility for the decision today. His umpires probably should have shown a bit of bottle and aided the situation instead of being sheep, but they are ultimately not the problem. Anyway, with Sludden out of the intercounty scene, so too are the umpires effectively. One thing that struck me about the game thread was the amount of comments by trusted posters during the course of the game about how dreadful he was. The TV pictures clearly show that the "big man" (see I avoided using the word stout, or any other such derogatory term!) was well behind the play and had a far from ideal view of the action. Yet, even though his own umpire never went near raising a flag he chalked it up as a goal without question!! The TV angle closest to his view does not look anything like Sheridan legally struck the ball into the net, so how does he give it?? Anyway, that should be the last he is ever seen of outside Tyrone and leave an end to it.
3. The physical attacks on Sludden: These gobs***es are not representative of Louth Support and their actions have done serious damage to our campaign for justice. Most of us felt angry after the final whistle, I know I did! But while we understand how they felt, their actions cannot be condoned and they should have shown more self restraint. They can all be easily identified and I would think that there are at least four who should get life time bans. In a week when the county board did an excellent job in fundraising, a lot of this could be diminished if we are slapped with a big fine, because of their actions. Ridiculous comments tarring us all with the one brush are uncalled for, I hope they are banned from the GAA for life.
Anyway, that pretty much covers all the bases I think. It was GUBU!! No wait it wasn't unprecedented!!
Us Armagh ones tried to warn yous about Sludden. Pity he wasn't found out on the big stage before he got to ride us a couple of times this year. The one positive from today is that he'll not be appearing at another intercounty fixture anytime soon.
bad umpire, ref could not see the play in enough detail, poor sportsmanship from meath if they do not offer a replay
its about time that the camera is brought in to give defintive answers to this problem. each team should be allowed 3 or 4 reviews per game in championship.
Quote from: zoyler on July 12, 2010, 12:34:18 AM
If these things tend to even out over time what non goal did Louth not score and get credit for or if its oovertime do they have to wait 50 years to be awarded a non goal!!
I heard Fitzpatrick on the radio say 'we've been waiiting 50 years for a bit of justice' ::)
Louth haven't been good enough for 50 years. That's not a burden on anyone but Louth. This
poor wee Louth is a joke. It shouldn't have any bearing on the result.
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on July 12, 2010, 12:47:10 AM
The GAA will side with Louth on this one, an extra day out at Croke park will mean more €€€€€€
However county boards will challenge reults more often if a team is hard done by.
It's not upto the GAA it's upto Meath. Meath will do the right thing and go straight to the QF as Leinster Champions.
Quote from: Zapatista on July 12, 2010, 07:53:22 AM
Quote from: zoyler on July 12, 2010, 12:34:18 AM
If these things tend to even out over time what non goal did Louth not score and get credit for or if its oovertime do they have to wait 50 years to be awarded a non goal!!
I heard Fitzpatrick on the radio say 'we've been waiiting 50 years for a bit of justice' ::)
Louth haven't been good enough for 50 years. That's not a burden on anyone but Louth. This poor wee Louth is a joke. It shouldn't have any bearing on the result.
You're dead right, Zap; Fitzer was a bit OTT in his reaction. But I'd allow him considerable leeway here as he was reacting in the immediate aftermath of the game. Louth's lack of success over the last 50 years had no bearing on the result yesterday and neither does the fact that they ought to have had the result sewn up long before the end. It all comes down to what happened in the goalmouth in the last 30 seconds yesterday.
I don't know what's going to happen next but if the result stands, Meath will find they had a hollow victory and will be taunted for years to come for hiding behind the rule book.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 12, 2010, 12:49:04 AM
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on July 12, 2010, 12:47:10 AM
The GAA will side with Louth on this one, an extra day out at Croke park will mean more €€€€€€
However county boards will challenge reults more often if a team is hard done by.
They cannot and should not. It would be such a ridiculous precedent.
I don't think it would, nothing like this has ever happened before. I have never seen the outcome of a match being so badly messed up by such a poor refereeing decision in the last second of the game. The only way a precedent would be set is if the same incident happened again which is very unlikely.
Galway were beaten on Saturday it could be argued by another refereeing error. Jimmy White gave Wexford a penalty that kept Wexford in a game that Galway dominated.
I can't see there being a replay.
I don't really understan the calls fo a replay anyway. Why aren't people calling for the game to be given to Louth instead ?
Not to mention last years Hurling All Ireland final when KK were awarded a penalty for a foul comminted outside the large square. Should Tipp have got a replay? No.
Quote from: orangeman on July 12, 2010, 09:29:25 AM
Galway were beaten on Saturday it could be argued by another refereeing error. Jimmy White gave Wexford a penalty that kept Wexford in a game that Galway dominated.
I can't see there being a replay.
I don't really understan the calls fo a replay anyway. Why aren't people calling for the game to be given to Louth instead ?
Neither do I push for the game to be awarded to Louth & yes justice will be felt to have been executed in this case but that ignores the nature of the GAA and the huge pressure on managers to deliver, this case will be cited for penalty awards,(Galway game, Sligo game against Armagh a few years back, sideline balls that never were (Mayo v Meath last year) and so on..
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 12, 2010, 12:49:04 AM
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on July 12, 2010, 12:47:10 AM
The GAA will side with Louth on this one, an extra day out at Croke park will mean more €€€€€€
However county boards will challenge reults more often if a team is hard done by.
They cannot and should not. It would be such a ridiculous precedent.
An absolute joke really. Haven't read through all the posts on the threads but the gobshites who went after the ref need to be dealt with immediately and banned. Just shows how important it is that crowds are stopped coming onto the pitch.
Really feel for the Louth lads. Can't imagine how they must be feeling to be cheated out of a famous win like that. What do the Meath lads think of Sheridan's actions?
To me he's the a bigger culprit than the ref. The offer of a replay may go some way in redressing the injustice but in reality the Cup should be residing in the Wee County.
I'm a great believer in what goes around comes around and I know it's hard but the Louth lads should just get on with it and go through the qualifiers. Meath will get their "reward" on another day
Another thing it highlighted to me is that "pundits" really shouldn't be involved in their county's matches. Watching o'rourke last night I felt like putting my boot through the telly
Lads I can bore ye to tears with incidents of goals allowed/disallowed when they shouldnt have been, penalties, square balls, off-the-ball incidents, yada yada yada.
1. The ref/umpires made a balls of it and this should be officially noted by the Leinster Council. Sludden should be 'busted down' to beat patrol in referee terms.
2. Joe Sheridan should be man enough to admit he tried a fast one and stop saying he was 'pulled over' the line or whatever guff he came out with.
3. Louth CB identify the gombeens on the pitch and make sure they are barred from any GAA activity for life
4. Thus ends the matter.
Meath are Leinster Champions, tainted some may say, but that's life. Louth should pick it up for the Qualifiers and make a serious go of it.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 12, 2010, 09:58:42 AM
Lads I can bore ye to tears with incidents of goals allowed/disallowed when they shouldn't have been, penalties, square balls, off-the-ball incidents, yada yada yada.
1. The ref/umpires made a balls of it and this should be officially noted by the Leinster Council. Sludden should be 'busted down' to beat patrol in referee terms.
2. Joe Sheridan should be man enough to admit he tried a fast one and stop saying he was 'pulled over' the line or whatever guff he came out with.
3. Louth CB identify the gombeens on the pitch and make sure they are barred from any GAA activity for life
4. Thus ends the matter.
Meath are Leinster Champions, tainted some may say, but that's life. Louth should pick it up for the Qualifiers and make a serious go of it.
Totally agree A Chara, and just to add to this the Ulster College's should take his details from their website Tyrone Referee's, I.E Mobile Number etc from the contacts section, I am sure he's getting enough hassle even though I think he's deserves the criticism totally he has a family and all that!
Between FIFA and the GAA and after all the shocking decisions that were made over the last few months I don't understand why nothing is never learnt from it. IMO the GAA is more to blame than anyone for what happened yesterday. The media will use this as a reason to bash the GAA and rightly so. When you look at other sports and competitions such as The National Football League (American Football) where very little is left to chance it just shows how incompetent the GAA really are. In this day and age there is no excuse not to have video ref in Championship matches to stop these mistakes from reoccurring. Refs and umpires should be trained to the highest degree but even then they are only human and mistakes will be made, having a video ref would put an end to the these sort of situations occurring. American Football have it, Rugby have it, many other sports have it, why can't we have it in the GAA?
Replays have been awarded previously for timing issues (Clare v Offaly '98), a score incorrectly awarded by an umpire (Laois v Carlow '95) and for a goal scored from a penalty that seemed fine but was actually disallowed (Galway v Roscommon '89).
The incident in the Louth-Meath match would come under the "a score incorrectly awarded by an umpire" category and so the precedent has been set and thus a replay should be awarded.
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on July 12, 2010, 10:09:36 AM
Between FIFA and the GAA and after all the shocking decisions that were made over the last few months I don't understand why nothing is never learnt from it. IMO the GAA is more to blame than anyone for what happened yesterday. The media will use this as a reason to bash the GAA and rightly so. When you look at other sports and competitions such as The National Football League (American Football) where very little is left to chance it just shows how incompetent the GAA really are. In this day and age there is no excuse not to have video ref in Championship matches to stop these mistakes from reoccurring. Refs and umpires should be trained to the highest degree but even then they are only human and mistakes will be made, having a video ref would put an end to the these sort of situations occurring. American Football have it, Rugby have it, many other sports have it, why can't we have it in the GAA?
Video ref wouldnt have made a blind bit of difference yesterday. Sludden didnt want to hear what the umpire wanted to say, so he wouldnt have gone to a video ref either.
Quote from: blanketattack on July 12, 2010, 10:13:20 AM
Replays have been awarded previously for timing issues (Clare v Offaly '98), a score incorrectly awarded by an umpire (Laois v Carlow '95) and for a goal scored from a penalty that seemed fine but was actually disallowed (Galway v Roscommon '89).
The incident in the Louth-Meath match would come under the "a score incorrectly awarded by an umpire" category and so the precedent has been set and thus a replay should be awarded.
In this case a foull was commited by a player by throwing the ball. Replays hould not be awarded for a player throwing a ball regardlass of where it lands.
Quote from: Hound on July 12, 2010, 10:15:30 AM
Video ref wouldnt have made a blind bit of difference yesterday. Sludden didnt want to hear what the umpire wanted to say, so he wouldnt have gone to a video ref either.
Why are you so blind to reason on this?
Quote from: Declan on July 12, 2010, 09:58:02 AM
An absolute joke really. Haven't read through all the posts on the threads but the gobshites who went after the ref need to be dealt with immediately and banned. Just shows how important it is that crowds are stopped coming onto the pitch.
Really feel for the Louth lads. Can't imagine how they must be feeling to be cheated out of a famous win like that. What do the Meath lads think of Sheridan's actions?
To me he's the a bigger culprit than the ref. The offer of a replay may go some way in redressing the injustice but in reality the Cup should be residing in the Wee County.
I'm a great believer in what goes around comes around and I know it's hard but the Louth lads should just get on with it and go through the qualifiers. Meath will get their "reward" on another day
Another thing it highlighted to me is that "pundits" really shouldn't be involved in their county's matches. Watching o'rourke last night I felt like putting my boot through the telly
Couldn't agree more
They should bring that in
It sounds like a lot of people are saying the equivalent of this : we're part of a great organisation, but we're not perfect and when we do make mistaks that are glaringly obvious, you just have to be prepared to put up with those injustices / mistakes, cos we've no "mechanism" with which to deal with them.
Surely, if there is no "mechanism" to deal with clear errors, then there should be a means created in order to remedy errors ?.
It's not as if the authorities can't bring in legislation to deal with these things ?.
As we've seen recently with the hand pass rule, where there's a will, there's a way.
Lads can we stop trying to twist the events as they happened.
Sheridan didn't just deliberately throw the ball into the net.
He tried to throw it onto his boot to kick it and missed.
His version of events is that he was already over the line anyway, which he was, so that part makes no difference.
Essentially, he believes he was pushed over the line as he was driving towards the goal.
Maybe not the strongest argument in the world but his comments were made in the immediate aftermath of the game.
He definitely shipped a couple of challenges so it's not that far-fetched that as a forward he thinks:
a) He was fouled
and/or
b) He was pushed over the line.
Every weekend now we seem to need someone to demonise and condemn.
This week it's Joes turn and now he's a "cheat" in the eyes of many whom I would have expected better from.
What did he actually do that was so wrong?
Go back a step to the square ball Jinxy ... ;)
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 12, 2010, 09:27:41 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 12, 2010, 12:49:04 AM
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on July 12, 2010, 12:47:10 AM
The GAA will side with Louth on this one, an extra day out at Croke park will mean more €€€€€€
However county boards will challenge reults more often if a team is hard done by.
They cannot and should not. It would be such a ridiculous precedent.
I don't think it would, nothing like this has ever happened before. I have never seen the outcome of a match being so badly messed up by such a poor refereeing decision in the last second of the game. The only way a precedent would be set is if the same incident happened again which is very unlikely.
I don't think it would,
nothing like this has ever happened before. I have never seen the outcome of a match being so badly messed up by such a poor refereeing decision in the last second of the game. The only way a precedent would be set is if the same incident happened again which is very unlikely.
Actually, something similar did happen at least once before this.
(I'm a bit hazy on details as it happened about 10 years ago so I may have some details screwed up somewhat.) It was a game of hurling- an AI QF I think.
Offaly were playing Clare and the ref was Jimmy Cooney of Galway.
The ref's watch had stopped and he blew the whistle about 2 mins short of the correct full time. At this stage of the game, Offaly were defending desperately; they had built up a good lead but Clare had staged a great fight back and had cut the margin to a single point. Clare were completely on top when Cooney blew for full time and, in all likelihood, would have scored the equaliser at the very least.
Then as now, there an almighty controversy erupted and it led to the Offaly board offering a replay. I recall that Offaly did in fact win and validated the original result.
Like I said, I am not certain of the specific details and I may have the counties in reverse order but the 'winners' on the first day did offer their opponents a replay.
Quote from: JMohan on July 12, 2010, 10:24:20 AM
Go back a step to the square ball Jinxy ... ;)
What county team stops and says, sorry ref youre wrong, we were inside the square there !
Quote from: Bensars on July 12, 2010, 10:26:04 AM
Quote from: JMohan on July 12, 2010, 10:24:20 AM
Go back a step to the square ball Jinxy ... ;)
What county team stops and says, sorry ref youre wrong, we were inside the square there !
???
What team asks for a replay if they don't think they deserve one?
Quote from: JMohan on July 12, 2010, 10:27:50 AM
Quote from: Bensars on July 12, 2010, 10:26:04 AM
Quote from: JMohan on July 12, 2010, 10:24:20 AM
Go back a step to the square ball Jinxy ... ;)
What county team stops and says, sorry ref youre wrong, we were inside the square there !
???
What team asks for a replay if they don't think they deserve one?
No comprende !
Very good question though. What is the answer as a matter of interest ?
Lets say Joe caught the ball in the square instead of Seamus getting it.
He then turned and buried the ball in the back of the net.
Would people be outraged if Joe didn't hold his hand up and say "Hang on ref, I was in the square there"?
Quote from: Hound on July 12, 2010, 10:15:30 AM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on July 12, 2010, 10:09:36 AM
Between FIFA and the GAA and after all the shocking decisions that were made over the last few months I don't understand why nothing is never learnt from it. IMO the GAA is more to blame than anyone for what happened yesterday. The media will use this as a reason to bash the GAA and rightly so. When you look at other sports and competitions such as The National Football League (American Football) where very little is left to chance it just shows how incompetent the GAA really are. In this day and age there is no excuse not to have video ref in Championship matches to stop these mistakes from reoccurring. Refs and umpires should be trained to the highest degree but even then they are only human and mistakes will be made, having a video ref would put an end to the these sort of situations occurring. American Football have it, Rugby have it, many other sports have it, why can't we have it in the GAA?
Video ref wouldnt have made a blind bit of difference yesterday. Sludden didnt want to hear what the umpire wanted to say, so he wouldnt have gone to a video ref either.
See I am of the opinion that people should learn from their mistakes. In this case the GAA. Thats more important than offering a replay. Going by your reason we should carry on, do nothing and wait for the same thing to happen all over again which it undoubtedly will. If we look for fault in every idea that is given to rectify these situations then nothing will ever be achieved.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 12, 2010, 10:25:41 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 12, 2010, 09:27:41 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 12, 2010, 12:49:04 AM
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on July 12, 2010, 12:47:10 AM
The GAA will side with Louth on this one, an extra day out at Croke park will mean more €€€€€€
However county boards will challenge reults more often if a team is hard done by.
They cannot and should not. It would be such a ridiculous precedent.
I don't think it would, nothing like this has ever happened before. I have never seen the outcome of a match being so badly messed up by such a poor refereeing decision in the last second of the game. The only way a precedent would be set is if the same incident happened again which is very unlikely.
I don't think it would, nothing like this has ever happened before. I have never seen the outcome of a match being so badly messed up by such a poor refereeing decision in the last second of the game. The only way a precedent would be set is if the same incident happened again which is very unlikely.
Actually, something similar did happen at least once before this.
(I'm a bit hazy on details as it happened about 10 years ago so I may have some details screwed up somewhat.) It was a game of hurling- an AI QF I think.
Offaly were playing Clare and the ref was Jimmy Cooney of Galway.
The ref's watch had stopped and he blew the whistle about 2 mins short of the correct full time. At this stage of the game, Offaly were defending desperately; they had built up a good lead but Clare had staged a great fight back and had cut the margin to a single point. Clare were completely on top when Cooney blew for full time and, in all likelihood, would have scored the equaliser at the very least.
Then as now, there an almighty controversy erupted and it led to the Offaly board offering a replay. I recall that Offaly did in fact win and validated the original result.
Like I said, I am not certain of the specific details and I may have the counties in reverse order but the 'winners' on the first day did offer their opponents a replay.
The Laois-Carlow game in '95 is probably the closest we've come to seeing this occur before. The umpire incorrectly called a point for Laois and the game was replayed. In the Meath-Louth game the umpire incorrectly called a goal for Meath and so the game should also be replayed.
Quote from: blanketattack on July 12, 2010, 10:35:21 AM
The Laois-Carlow game in '95 is probably the closest we've come to seeing this occur before. The umpire incorrectly called a point for Laois and the game was replayed. In the Meath-Louth game the umpire incorrectly called a goal for Meath and so the game should also be replayed.
Yeah, I had forgotten about that one.
So there were at least two previous instances of games being replayed following on from referees' errors.
Tyrone should perhaps have had a replay in the 95 all Ireland final, late equaliser disallowed and all that, but certainly if Meath had any semblence of GAA pride they should offer the replay. As for the ref its back to underage in Tyrone I fear......I fear because underage football will suffer then
Quote from: JMohan on July 12, 2010, 10:19:29 AM
Quote from: Declan on July 12, 2010, 09:58:02 AM
An absolute joke really. Haven't read through all the posts on the threads but the gobshites who went after the ref need to be dealt with immediately and banned. Just shows how important it is that crowds are stopped coming onto the pitch.
Really feel for the Louth lads. Can't imagine how they must be feeling to be cheated out of a famous win like that. What do the Meath lads think of Sheridan's actions?
To me he's the a bigger culprit than the ref. The offer of a replay may go some way in redressing the injustice but in reality the Cup should be residing in the Wee County.
I'm a great believer in what goes around comes around and I know it's hard but the Louth lads should just get on with it and go through the qualifiers. Meath will get their "reward" on another day
Another thing it highlighted to me is that "pundits" really shouldn't be involved in their county's matches. Watching o'rourke last night I felt like putting my boot through the telly
Couldn't agree more
They should bring that in
Especially if you have a son playing. I felt some sympathy for O'Rourke last night. It was a horrible position to be in not of his own making.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 12, 2010, 10:32:56 AM
Lets say Joe caught the ball in the square instead of Seamus getting it.
He then turned and buried the ball in the back of the net.
Would people be outraged if Joe didn't hold his hand up and say "Hang on ref, I was in the square there"?
Like fcuk!
That's not my point.
I was just pointing out to your post that it wasn't one mistake, but two in missing the square ball.
QuoteSo there were at least two previous instances of games being replayed following on from referees' errors
Incorrect. The Carlow v Laois game was only replayed cos Laois offered it. Had they not done so (as was their right) then Carlow could, officially, swing.
There are rules for when a game ends prematurely (as in the case of Offaly v Clare) and this is why it was replayed.
Longford had a perfectly legit goal ruled out in the last kick of the game v Limerick this year which would have won it. The referee after apologised for the error - Longford county board, while agrieved, accepted it and shook hands, figuratively. We did look for an overturning of the result etc but the CB rapidly realised that they were wasting time and moved on.
Now I know a League match in the arsehole of winter is not equal to a Leinster final but the same rules apply.
Yeah but my point isn't about the officials.
They obviously f*cked up.
What's annoying me is the level of abuse being directed towards Joe Sheridan.
He's been labelled a liar and a cheat on a few different forums now.
For what?
Quote from: Jinxy on July 12, 2010, 11:01:47 AM
Yeah but my point isn't about the officials.
They obviously f*cked up.
What's annoying me is the level of abuse being directed towards Joe Sheridan.
He's been labelled a liar and a cheat on a few different forums now.
For what?
Well that personal stuff is completely out of order.
I can't understand it either.
I think Sheridan would have been better advised to keep his mouth shut but I wouldn't be too hard on him for words or deeds in/shortly after the heat of battle. Calling him a cheat is plain wrong. He did make a genuine attempt to play the ball. Cheating is like what Henry did in the soccer match against Ireland - blatantly and knowingly breaking the rules.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 12, 2010, 11:01:47 AM
Yeah but my point isn't about the officials.
They obviously f*cked up.
What's annoying me is the level of abuse being directed towards Joe Sheridan.
He's been labelled a liar and a cheat on a few different forums now.
For what?
For claiming in the post match interviews that he scored a legitimate goal.
Carrying the ball over the line or even being pushed over the line is not a legitimate goal.
But maybe he's not a liar. Maybe he's just stupid.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 12, 2010, 11:01:47 AM
Yeah but my point isn't about the officials.
They obviously f*cked up.
What's annoying me is the level of abuse being directed towards Joe Sheridan.
He's been labelled a liar and a cheat on a few different forums now.
For what?
He did what any player would do in that stituation, but he's obviously a sandwich short or lacks cop on by claiming it was a legitimate goal, he's making a complete tit of himself.
In the heat of the moment and straight after the match I can understand his reaction. But in the cool light of this morning I think he should stop digging. He knows himself he didn't score a legitimate goal and I looked at again this morning and it was more like an american football touchdown than anything else.
Lar you have it completely wrong on the Offaly Clare game. Offaly were behind at the end and a replay was orderedby the gaa as the referee failed to complete the game by not playing the correct time.
Also there was a huge contrast in the way Cooney was spirited of the field immediately while Sludden was left exposed to the abuse that came his way.
I Have huge sympathy for the referee in this. I cant understand how we can hapilly accept endless mistakes and errors of judgement by players in the course of a game but yet for some reason we dont accept them from referees. They are human just as players, they are also part of the game just as players are. Players make mistakes that lead directly the result of a game going one way or the other. Yesterday the referee made a wrong call that lead to Louth losing the game. Not fair, but there are lots of thing that arent fair. The two Louth players wo between them coughed the ball back up to Sheridan equally made a mistake that led directly to the goal. My viewis that we have to accept that the referee is equally part of the game and equally prone to making mistakes.Louth would be better accepting it for what it was and getting on with the qualifiers. Next thing Kerry Mike will be on looking for a replay of 82
Well, I am once again left bewildered and saddened by the GAA after yesterday's events. A certain amount of love I had for the game died yesterday. What was up until the last few minutes a great occasion turned a very nasty shade quite quickly. I may not toe the line with other Meath posters or Meath county officials but unless we offer a replay I don't think our Leinster title 'win' will have any credibility.
I would offer it, though the GAA might feel such action would undermine its authority and the referees. I know it sets a dangerous precedent for other games but it hopefully force the GAA's hand in some areas to do something about the current situation with refereeing/umpires and reviewing incidents. They might actually come up with some concrete rules in this regard.
I was initially celebrating until I saw the replay, the incompetency of the officials and then the ugly scenes that followed, well I don't know if I can stomach any more. Couldn't even raise a smile as Nigel lifted the trophy other than to say he deserves the trophy for all his years of graft. But not in that fashion. If we offer a replay even if it never happens it will be some reparation for the soul and integrity of the game.
Otherwise I don't know if I will take much further interest in Meaths 2010 campaign. Can't help how I feel I'm afraid.
QuoteWhat's annoying me is the level of abuse being directed towards Joe Sheridan.
He's been labelled a liar and a cheat on a few different forums now.
For what?
For his behaviour afterwards as I have stated in the other thread. His momentum took him over the line. But He knew it was illegeal. He shouldnt have gone to the ref and said that it wasnt a goal. The ref made a balls of it, tht wasnt Sheridans fault. But Sheridans behaviour afterwards with that big silly grin, trying to influence the referee into saying it was a legal goal was completely wrong. It just cannot be defended.
Well put Juice
The lone garda is getting a lot of stick here. But he deserves credit; He was the only 1 to know to go over to the ref straight after the whistle and seemed to be telling him to get off the pitch. He should have had assistance. Probably, too many guards go to croke park wanting to get handy overtime
Quote from: Hound on July 12, 2010, 11:08:30 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 12, 2010, 11:01:47 AM
Yeah but my point isn't about the officials.
They obviously f*cked up.
What's annoying me is the level of abuse being directed towards Joe Sheridan.
He's been labelled a liar and a cheat on a few different forums now.
For what?
For claiming in the post match interviews that he scored a legitimate goal.
Carrying the ball over the line or even being pushed over the line is not a legitimate goal.
But maybe he's not a liar. Maybe he's just stupid.
If you're a defender in possession running across the goalmouth and I shoulder you fairly and you end up in the net, is that a goal?
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 12, 2010, 10:59:35 AM
QuoteSo there were at least two previous instances of games being replayed following on from referees' errors
Incorrect. The Carlow v Laois game was only replayed cos Laois offered it. Had they not done so (as was their right) then Carlow could, officially, swing.
We are fairly sound fellas in Laois though
QuoteIf you're a defender in possession running across the goalmouth and I shoulder you fairly and you end up in the net, is that a goal?
is that what happened?
Was I talking to you?
Liveline will be started in a couple of hours so I hope you have the phone handy.
QuoteWas I talking to you?
Liveline will be started in a couple of hours so I hope you have the phone handy
Sorry for interupting a personal conversation on a public GAA discussion board!
Well said juice and fgm.
Irrespective of what happened, the treatment of the referee was disgraceful. He got it wrong, very, very wrong. But he is the official in charge - putting procedures/rules in place to avoid this kind of disaster isn't his responsibility, it's the responsibility of club members everywhere to use their democratic voice within the organisation not on Joe Duffy. If we really want change then we need to ensure it happens through the procedures of the organisation.
That said, rules created as a reaction to a one-off event rarely work in the way to which they're intended. I have a lot of sympathy for Louth, but teams that earn our respect react to correct adversity on the field, not off it.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 12, 2010, 11:26:16 AM
Quote from: Hound on July 12, 2010, 11:08:30 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 12, 2010, 11:01:47 AM
Yeah but my point isn't about the officials.
They obviously f*cked up.
What's annoying me is the level of abuse being directed towards Joe Sheridan.
He's been labelled a liar and a cheat on a few different forums now.
For what?
For claiming in the post match interviews that he scored a legitimate goal.
Carrying the ball over the line or even being pushed over the line is not a legitimate goal.
But maybe he's not a liar. Maybe he's just stupid.
If you're a defender in possession running across the goalmouth and I shoulder you fairly and you end up in the net, is that a goal?
Yes, but what has that to do with this thread? ???
Both situations are explicitly covered in the rules. One is a score, the other is not.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 12, 2010, 11:26:16 AM
Quote from: Hound on July 12, 2010, 11:08:30 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 12, 2010, 11:01:47 AM
Yeah but my point isn't about the officials.
They obviously f*cked up.
What's annoying me is the level of abuse being directed towards Joe Sheridan.
He's been labelled a liar and a cheat on a few different forums now.
For what?
For claiming in the post match interviews that he scored a legitimate goal.
Carrying the ball over the line or even being pushed over the line is not a legitimate goal.
But maybe he's not a liar. Maybe he's just stupid.
If you're a defender in possession running across the goalmouth and I shoulder you fairly and you end up in the net, is that a goal?
Yes it is
Meath will be in the history books as Leinster Champions. There will be no asterix beside 2010 stating that Louth were robbed. Its tough, but thats the way it goes.
In the '97 Ulster Championship final Cavan were awarded a point for a shot that was well wide. Everyone on the hill side of the pitch could see it was wide yet the umpire waved the white flag. Cavan won that game by a point.
QuoteLouth should be banned from next year's championship. I really hope the GAA throw the book at them for those disgraceful scenes after the match.
Let's not beat about the bush here, what those supporters did yesterday was fcukin horrible.
Bit extreme to be honest; Should the Louth players & management be punished for what their fans did? Same for the Louth county board. What could they do about it? It may be difference if this happened at a county ground where the county board would be responsible. But this happened at Croke Pk. Louth county board could not have done anything to prevent this. It would be very harsh to ban them then.
So will the GAA ban all those fans who assaulted the ref from Intercounty matches? It would be very difficult to do this but it happens in soccer and something has to be done to stop this carry on from happening. The ref was very lucky to get off the pitch yesterday without getting a proper punch or belt from one of those fans. But I have noticed this sort of thing creeping into games over the last few years. I have been at matches where programmes and even bottles have been thrown onto the pitch during games. Anyone that does such an act should be escorted from their seat and thrown out of the stadium.
Quote from: hardstation on July 12, 2010, 11:37:15 AM
Louth should be banned from next year's championship. I really hope the GAA throw the book at them for those disgraceful scenes after the match.
Let's not beat about the bush here, what those supporters did yesterday was fcukin horrible.
What rubbish, you can't blame a whole county for a couple of drunken numpties letting themselves down. What happened the referee is a disgrace no doubt, but what was he doing standing in the middle of the field continuing to take names when it was time to get out of town. Hopefully the authorities will learn not to appoint sub-standard referees to major games, he has made a number of mistakes in big games so far this year and they give him a provincial final in Croker!!!
I'll say again it doesn't justify what those eejits did to him on the field.
I don't like conspiracies ... BUT ...
Why in Croke Park on this day after that decision was only one Garda allowed or sent out to the ref?
Was this the instigation to ban all crowds on the fields?
Onlyfor Peter Fitzpatrick and some of his players, a lot more idiots would have got swipes in at Sludden.
QuoteOnlyfor Peter Fitzpatrick and some of his players, a lot more idiots would have got swipes in at Sludden.
Yeah, in fairness to some of the Louth players, they seemed to tell a few fans to feck off the pitch. And they protected the ref from the first few fans that encroached
Quote from: hardstation on July 12, 2010, 11:37:15 AM
Louth should be banned from next year's championship. I really hope the GAA throw the book at them for those disgraceful scenes after the match.
Let's not beat about the bush here, what those supporters did yesterday was fcukin horrible.
TBH that's bollix HS, how in gods name was it Louth's fault for what happened. What the 'supporters' done to is a complete disgrace but to punish the counties senior football team would be out of order. Identify the scum who attacked the ref and don't let them near a GAA match again and if needed let the Garda throw the book at them.
Quote from: hardstation on July 12, 2010, 11:37:15 AM
Louth should be banned from next year's championship. I really hope the GAA throw the book at them for those disgraceful scenes after the match.
Let's not beat about the bush here, what those supporters did yesterday was fcukin horrible.
True. I seen a post a good few pages back that sugested Louth put on some sort of protest. If this goes to a replay Referees should refuse to officiate in protest.
I don't think Louth should be punished in any way, unless they refuse to cooperate with identifying the people if asked.
Quote from: hardstation on July 12, 2010, 11:37:15 AM
Louth should be banned from next year's championship. I really hope the GAA throw the book at them for those disgraceful scenes after the match.
Let's not beat about the bush here, what those supporters did yesterday was fcukin horrible.
What a stupid comment.Why should Louth be punished for the actionsof a handful of idiots who may well have bought their tickets through Ticketmaster and may not even be in a club?
I voted for a replay. This is an amateur sport, and fair play should prevail in this instance.
Louth County Board should make every effort to indentify those thugs (no other word for them) who disgraced their county and the organisation yesterday. Once that's done they should ensure they receive a life ban. On top of that the Gardai should charge them with assault.
If it was a soccer match we'd all be labelling them typical hooligans. Those scenes were an affront to every decent GAA member throughout the land. It's vital for all concerned that its dealt with quickly and tranparently.
The ref's family or friends watching that on TV or from the stand must have found it very upsetting. Nobody deserves to be treated like that no matter how big of a mistake he made.
That being said his mistake was unforgiveable from a technical point of view. He clearly either froze of panicked. He was unsighted for the "goal" because he was so far behind the play. If Galvin... O'Se etc deserve punishment for on camera misdemeanours then he should be removed for a period of time from the intercounty referee panel.
I agree with O'Rourke last night when he said it should'nt be up to Meath to offer the replay. It shouldnt but unfortunately due to no official procedure from on high in dealing with such matters it is. However its not their fault so if they decline to offer it they should'nt be made feel guilty over this.
Feel desparately sorry for Louth - it was an accident waiting to happen. Having seen Sludden ref before he goes in the "incompetent in the extreme" bracket with many others and how he got such a big game I don't know.
There will be a replay but I don't think there should be.
We need to move on from the fact that everybody outside of Meath were hoping Louth would win and are disappointed that they got caught at the end. If it was Dublin, Kerry or Tyrone that were caught there would be many that would criticse the ref while having a quiet laugh to themselves.
There is also a dangerous precedent where any disputed decision that has such a serious effect on a game is open to challenge. The GAA have made their own stick to beat themselves with on this one - if they review the players, the refs should also be subject to review.
How the hell did he stay on the pitch looking to book half the Louth lads, when it was clear that there was outrage. Why was he so arrogant enough not to talk to his umpires? The ref is an amateur and in no way is physical violence condoned but the GAA charge big prices to supporters who are entitled to see some kind of control kept on a game, and at the very least a fit referee.
The standard of refereeing is at an alarming low because of incompetencies, players play-acting and constant rule changes.
Quote from: Barney on July 12, 2010, 01:16:10 PM
Feel desparately sorry for Louth - it was an accident waiting to happen. Having seen Sludden ref before he goes in the "incompetent in the extreme" bracket with many others and how he got such a big game I don't know.
There will be a replay but I don't think there should be.
We need to move on from the fact that everybody outside of Meath were hoping Louth would win and are disappointed that they got caught at the end. If it was Dublin, Kerry or Tyrone that were caught there would be many that would criticse the ref while having a quiet laugh to themselves.
There is also a dangerous precedent where any disputed decision that has such a serious effect on a game is open to challenge. The GAA have made their own stick to beat themselves with on this one - if they review the players, the refs should also be subject to review.
How the hell did he stay on the pitch looking to book half the Louth lads, when it was clear that there was outrage. Why was he so arrogant enough not to talk to his umpires? The ref is an amateur and in no way is physical violence condoned but the GAA charge big prices to supporters who are entitled to see some kind of control kept on a game, and at the very least a fit referee.
The standard of refereeing is at an alarming low because of incompetencies, players play-acting and constant rule changes.
Barney,
You hit the nail on the head, I thought the ref had a poor game yesterday, He was almost referring for the so called "assessors", every bull*hit foul, resulted in him taking out his notepad. It was brutal to watch. Common sense seems to be gone out the window. I wonder what the head of the referres committee will say on it. He should be asked some probing questions.
Having said that, as I said yesterday, I did not believe the goal call was his error. It was his umpires.
What happened after the game disgraceful, and was an embarrassment for all GAA fans.
I would please simply request that all stop referring to those involved in the scenes after the game as Louth Fans, I would hope and expect that they won't be allowed enter a pitch in the county, ever again as a result of their actions. They are the minority who could not control themselves. Every county has them, ours got lose in Croker yesterday in front of all the cameras!
A prominent ex Louth player this morning rang the man who struck Mark Ward and advised him to contact Dublin Gardai to give in his details, he has done so. All of those involved have been identified as far as I am aware and they will be dealt with. How bad would it have been if it was not for the actions of Fitzer? No right minded Louth Fan can or will defend the actions of those invloved those scenes.
Juice you are a credit and fair play to you sir, as you say if Meath offer the replay and the GAA don't run with that then they have done all that they can do and made a fantastic gesture towards justice. I reiterate, it shouldn't have to come down to this and hopefully as a result of this the CCCC will be given powers to deal with such an event in the future.
As for your comments Jinxy, they are saddening and disappointing. There has been very little reference to Thierry Sheridan on this board, so why come on her complaining about what is being said on Hoganstand! I have watched it several times, leaving the square ball out of it, he clearly dives for the line in an attempt to gain a penalty and con the ref, there was no honour in what he did and his comments afterwards were a disgrace and a blight on Meath football. Seamus Kenny was man enough to admit that it wasn't a legitimate goal!
I just have one question for you Jinxy. All of Joe Sheridans intentions aside, can you say that it was a legitimate goal that should have stood?
Quote1. A Galway point has been proven to be wide.
2. The score at the end of the game was level.
3. If the score is corrected, Offaly win.
All I'm saying is that it's extremely dangerous to make a ruling based on yesterday which could impact future games. I agree it's not right what happened to Louth, and is an obvious example of robbery, but you could (and it will be) argue that the next incident was 'nearly as bad' as the Louth one, so will that be appealed on this basis as well?
I see your point but I just dont think Galway would have lost that game because of that wide . score. Louth did not even have the opportunity for an equaliser which is something people are overlooking. With the commotion of the goal and the ref running into the umpires and listening to the protests of the Louth players, He probably should have allowed them 1 more attack.
It should be possible for somebody to look at eah match with some common sense. For example, we both agree that the Galway - Offaly & Meath - Louth instances are different. Why cant some committee come to the same conclusion?
Quote from: mckieran on July 12, 2010, 01:46:41 PM
Louth did not even have the opportunity for an equaliser which is something people are overlooking. With the commotion of the goal and the ref running into the umpires and listening to the protests of the Louth players, He probably should have allowed them 1 more attack.
That's just stupid. That would be acknowledging that the goal wasn't legit, in which case the ref shouldn't have awarded it. The ref can't decide to give a dodgy goal and then add on another minute to give Louth a chance to put it right.
Still in shock.... at least you can all talk to each other and get it off your chest. Just trying to explain the rules of the game to Americans will get you crazy.
The GAA has put themselves in a bit of a pickle here. OK the ref blew the call, he got it wrong, we all see it happen all the time. Human error... it happens. Its part of the game, it sucks but it is a part of the game. But I feel that because the GAA have used RTE's and other video to go after players because the ref missed a nasty tackle or some off the ball incidence after a game has long concluded well that sure opens a can of worms doesent it... So now we all see a blown call that cost Louth a title. Now what do they do. Its right there to see. But we all know the GAA wont act on that video. The GAA will stick their heads in the sand and pray for it all to blow over. They will but the burden on Meath to do the right thing. Cowards. Have some balls GAA.... Oh thats right, the official comment is that its not in the rule book for a replay. Well is it in the GAA rule book to use video footage to go after players? Don't misunderstand me, if players need to be punished then so be it. Its the fact of how the GAA goes about gathering evidence. They use video. So why wont they do the same here? Yes I'm still a little angry. I thought we had it.
Have to say that contributions by the likes of Barney and joemamas about the ref having a bad game before the goal incident as lazy analysis and pathetic. Very easy to say "ah the ref was crap".
Judging by comments for example by Sunday Game panelists and Martin Carney, and also from the likes of IN columnist K Madden, they all agree that the ref was having a good game up until the end. FFS joemamas, what other way do you want the ref to referee the game if not by the rulebook. Have to say IMHO he got all the calls right up until the very end.
The ref is an amateur, and he made a genuine mistake, you would think from the reaction from some people he set out from home that morning to put one over on Louth. Get over it and concentrate on the next game
I think the fairest thing is for Joe Sheridan to admit it wasn't a goal and likewise Seamus Darby to admit he pushed Tommy Doyle in '82 and to replay both games in a double header in Croke Park on Sunday. ;D
Quote from: blanketattack on July 12, 2010, 02:26:41 PM
I think the fairest thing is for Joe Sheridan to admit it wasn't a goal and likewise Seamus Darby to admit he pushed Tommy Doyle in '82 and to replay both games in a double header in Croke Park on Sunday. ;D
:D
If the Louth supporters had had more experience they would have been able to invade the pitch before the final whistle went and do a sit down a la the Offaly fans the time of the famous Jimmy Cooney Watch incident.
I must say the Meath reponses I have seen from Crawford and Sheridan have been most disappointing. I thought Meath footballers had a bit more integrity than that.
So Meath are having a meeting tonight. Anyone want to predict what will come of it?
Quote from: pkerin on July 12, 2010, 02:41:54 PM
So Meath are having a meeting tonight. Anyone want to predict what will come of it?
I'd be very surprised if a replay is even on the Clar. The will talk about the best way to handle the result and fall out after but it will be nothing more than a press release.
Quote from: redhandluke on July 12, 2010, 02:22:55 PM
The ref is an amateur, and he made a genuine mistake, you would think from the reaction from some people he set out from home that morning to put one over on Louth. Get over it and concentrate on the next game
You'd think someone from Tyrone would be best placed to give an insight into how poor his refereeing is. You can't defend him, controversy follows him in nearly every game he officiates. His actions after the final whistle told a quare story.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on July 12, 2010, 02:48:09 PM
You'd think someone from Tyrone would be best placed to give an insight into how poor his refereeing is. You can't defend him, controversy follows him in nearly every game he officiates. His actions after the final whistle told a quare story.
Only after the controversial games he officiates ;)
Quote from: redhandluke on July 12, 2010, 02:56:19 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on July 12, 2010, 02:50:01 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on July 12, 2010, 02:48:09 PM
His actions after the final whistle told a quare story.
Only after the controversial games he officiates ;)
What are u on about - if a player uses foul language before OR after a game, the ref is quite entitled to record his details. Don't be so thick!
What the feck are you on about? You edited the post I was replying too. Go back and read it.
Quote from: redhandluke on July 12, 2010, 02:22:55 PM
Judging by comments for example by Sunday Game panelists and Martin Carney,
Martin Carney and Mandela were both on telly yesterday and it bought me back to that great joke about what Mandela said when he was released from (Arjen) Robben Island- "Is Martin Carney still playing for Mayo?"
Quote from: Zapatista on July 12, 2010, 02:57:36 PM
His actions after the final whistle told a quare story.
What are u on about - if a player uses foul language before OR after a game, the ref is quite entitled to record his details. Don't be so thick!
Quote from: Louth Exile on July 12, 2010, 01:35:39 PM
I would please simply request that all stop referring to those involved in the scenes after the game as Louth Fans, I would hope and expect that they won't be allowed enter a pitch in the county, ever again as a result of their actions. They are the minority who could not control themselves. Every county has them, ours got lose in Croker yesterday in front of all the cameras!
A prominent ex Louth player this morning rang the man who struck Mark Ward and advised him to contact Dublin Gardai to give in his details, he has done so. All of those involved have been identified as far as I am aware and they will be dealt with. How bad would it have been if it was not for the actions of Fitzer? No right minded Louth Fan can or will defend the actions of those invloved those scenes.
Juice you are a credit and fair play to you sir, as you say if Meath offer the replay and the GAA don't run with that then they have done all that they can do and made a fantastic gesture towards justice. I reiterate, it shouldn't have to come down to this and hopefully as a result of this the CCCC will be given powers to deal with such an event in the future.
As for your comments Jinxy, they are saddening and disappointing. There has been very little reference to Thierry Sheridan on this board, so why come on her complaining about what is being said on Hoganstand! I have watched it several times, leaving the square ball out of it, he clearly dives for the line in an attempt to gain a penalty and con the ref, there was no honour in what he did and his comments afterwards were a disgrace and a blight on Meath football. Seamus Kenny was man enough to admit that it wasn't a legitimate goal!
I just have one question for you Jinxy. All of Joe Sheridans intentions aside, can you say that it was a legitimate goal that should have stood?
No.
And I never said otherwise.
I'm sick of this nonsense talk about honour and cheating at this stage.
If that's the road you want to go down there wasn't much honour in JP Rooney driving the ball as far away as he could, not once but twice, to stop Meath taking a free in the last minute.
Quote from: Zapatista on July 12, 2010, 02:50:01 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on July 12, 2010, 02:48:09 PM
You'd think someone from Tyrone would be best placed to give an insight into how poor his refereeing is. You can't defend him, controversy follows him in nearly every game he officiates. His actions after the final whistle told a quare story.
Only after the controversial games he officiates ;)
The original post >:( thick
I have another question. Who appoints the umpires at these games? Are they refs themselfs or someones buddy?
I never said the ref had a bad game in general just that he was an accident waiting to happen - from the time of his appointment!
the ref brings his own umpires to games,his friends mostly blind or dumb ones by the look and actions of them.the gaa usually apoint the linesmen
Quote from: seafoid on July 12, 2010, 02:30:19 PM
If the Louth supporters had had more experience they would have been able to invade the pitch before the final whistle went and do a sit down a la the Offaly fans the time of the famous Jimmy Cooney Watch incident.
I must say the Meath reponses I have seen from Crawford and Sheridan have been most disappointing. I thought Meath footballers had a bit more integrity than that.
up in tyrone we learned what they were like in '96
Yep. thats what I thought. That sounds like the GAA. Lets put someone that has no experience, in fact we the GAA have no idea who these people are out on the field in a Leinster Final. Think about that... So the ref gets to bring his old buddy from school or where-ever to help officiate a Leinster Final. Thats just great. Should we really be surprised how the game ended? Should be more surprised it doesent happen more often.
Quote from: redhandluke on July 12, 2010, 02:22:55 PM
Have to say that contributions by the likes of Barney and joemamas about the ref having a bad game before the goal incident as lazy analysis and pathetic. Very easy to say "ah the ref was crap".
Judging by comments for example by Sunday Game panelists and Martin Carney, and also from the likes of IN columnist K Madden, they all agree that the ref was having a good game up until the end. FFS joemamas, what other way do you want the ref to referee the game if not by the rulebook. Have to say IMHO he got all the calls right up until the very end.
The ref is an amateur, and he made a genuine mistake, you would think from the reaction from some people he set out from home that morning to put one over on Louth. Get over it and concentrate on the next game
If you are going to reference my comments, do not be selective, please refer to everything I said, that is truly lazy etc.
I thought the ref was overly picky, and made some incorrect calls during the game, as all ref's do, a fact that Martin Carney alleuded to if I am not mistaken. btw, do we now take what the "analysts" say as gospel.
My comments were more to do with referring in general, how it has changed, and the majority of referees seem to be referring purely by the book, for fear of being "dropped' from the elite group that ref intercounty games. In my mind, there should be a certain amount of discretion used by referees, more of a common sense approach to games, while still maintaing control of the game.
Quotereferring purely by the book
What does that mean?
Lets not blame the umpires . It is not their call . I repeat it is not their call.. The umpires can only assist the referee in stating whether the ball crossed the line or not and not whether it was thrown rolled carried etc over the line. . They do not have any power of square ball penalty awards or anything else bar off the ball foul play and scores. The only mistake they made yesterday was not to raise the green flag. It's up to the ref to decide whether or not it was illegal or otherwise.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 12, 2010, 03:03:37 PM
Quote from: Louth Exile on July 12, 2010, 01:35:39 PM
I would please simply request that all stop referring to those involved in the scenes after the game as Louth Fans, I would hope and expect that they won't be allowed enter a pitch in the county, ever again as a result of their actions. They are the minority who could not control themselves. Every county has them, ours got lose in Croker yesterday in front of all the cameras!
A prominent ex Louth player this morning rang the man who struck Mark Ward and advised him to contact Dublin Gardai to give in his details, he has done so. All of those involved have been identified as far as I am aware and they will be dealt with. How bad would it have been if it was not for the actions of Fitzer? No right minded Louth Fan can or will defend the actions of those invloved those scenes.
Juice you are a credit and fair play to you sir, as you say if Meath offer the replay and the GAA don't run with that then they have done all that they can do and made a fantastic gesture towards justice. I reiterate, it shouldn't have to come down to this and hopefully as a result of this the CCCC will be given powers to deal with such an event in the future.
As for your comments Jinxy, they are saddening and disappointing. There has been very little reference to Thierry Sheridan on this board, so why come on her complaining about what is being said on Hoganstand! I have watched it several times, leaving the square ball out of it, he clearly dives for the line in an attempt to gain a penalty and con the ref, there was no honour in what he did and his comments afterwards were a disgrace and a blight on Meath football. Seamus Kenny was man enough to admit that it wasn't a legitimate goal!
I just have one question for you Jinxy. All of Joe Sheridans intentions aside, can you say that it was a legitimate goal that should have stood?
No.
And I never said otherwise.
I'm sick of this nonsense talk about honour and cheating at this stage.
If that's the road you want to go down there wasn't much honour in JP Rooney driving the ball as far away as he could, not once but twice, to stop Meath taking a free in the last minute.
Enough said! Jp's stupid actions are way down the scale and were dealt with
Just been confirmed by the GAA. The referee has admitted he made a mistake re: the goal, however GAA rules state that his report re: the score is final & the result cannot be changed.
There is a clear need for video evidence during televised matches. Go the whole hog and bring in innovations from other sports like penalty tries from rugby and the sin bin while you are at it. Thankfully in hurling Kilkenny are so far ahead of everyone else that these problems don't crop up on the radar ;)
Soccer has the same problems BTW. Joe Sheridan could be Luis Suarez II.
This is a difficult one to deal with really.
Louth were the better team and deserved to win and should have done so irrespective of the goal.
My heart goes out to the Louth team, the passionate and level headed management and their fans.
However I feel we are entering dangerous territory talking about replays - when and where would a replay be justified?
If the tables were reversed and Louth won in that fashion would a replay be asked for?
Should last years all-ireland be replayed as Darren bounced the ball twice for one score?
Does a replay only apply is an error occurs with the last score?
The hornets nest may be about to be opened here.
A lot of talk is about precedent where replays were awarded - no replay applied when:
Kerry goal that went wide first v Tipp in 1999;
Kerry goal disallowed v Kildare in semi final 1998;
Charlie Redmond staying on the pitch in 1995;
One of the twins getting two yellow cards v Dr Crokes in club final 2007.
If a replay is offered then every club side in the country will be looking for replays due to bad reffering!
Quote from: SuperDooperCooper on July 12, 2010, 05:39:55 PM
This is a difficult one to deal with really.
Louth were the better team and deserved to win and should have done so irrespective of the goal.
My heart goes out to the Louth team, the passionate and level headed management and their fans.
However I feel we are entering dangerous territory talking about replays - when and where would a replay be justified?
If the tables were reversed and Louth won in that fashion would a replay be asked for?
Should last years all-ireland be replayed as Darren bounced the ball twice for one score?
Does a replay only apply is an error occurs with the last score?
The hornets nest may be about to be opened here.
A lot of talk is about precedent where replays were awarded - no replay applied when:
Kerry goal that went wide first v Tipp in 1999;
Kerry goal disallowed v Kildare in semi final 1998;
Charlie Redmond staying on the pitch in 1995;
One of the twins getting two yellow cards v Dr Crokes in club final 2007.
If a replay is offered then every club side in the country will be looking for replays due to bad reffering!
Yeah agree with alot of that Superdoopercooper. A replay could leave alot of past and future matches open to questioning the result. But the only difference I suppose is yesterday's referee decision seems to have been so blatantly incorrect and costly.
It's like the white calf campaign (http://www.thefreelibrary.com/London+tourist+trade+to+lose+%C2%A31bn+in+crisis;+FOOT+%26+MOUTH+TALLY...-a074938510). It's only the cute cuddly ones the media loves that are campaigned for.
the umpires are as much to blame as the ref all they had to say was the ball was carried over the line and not played.many refs ask their umpires their opinions on decisions on the field eg.square balls,penaltys etc if their out the field or unsighted when the incident takes place ,its just pure common sense,isnt it better to try and get it right than having the fiasco that we had yesterday.
When you think about it, Gaeilic Football has it all figured out. Soccer has all these problems of the ref missing stuff all the time. The hand ball crap we all had to deal with etc. etc. Not the GAA. We allready have, not one but two guys standing at the goals. Two Guys! How can we ever not get the right call when we have three people right there to see what happens. Boy we are so smart. Soccer has nothing on us. We have it all figured out. How can anything possibly go wrong........ Opps
Quote from: kerrylions on July 12, 2010, 06:08:41 PM
the umpires are as much to blame as the ref all they had to say was the ball was carried over the line and not played.many refs ask their umpires their opinions on decisions on the field eg.square balls,penaltys etc if their out the field or unsighted when the incident takes place ,its just pure common sense,isnt it better to try and get it right than having the fiasco that we had yesterday.
I know kerry lions what you say is common sense or so it should be . but that is not the case . The referees are only instructed to consult the umpires if there is an off the ball incident or the dispute over a score ie point ,goal or otherwise . but not the technical legality.
I know this as I had a similar experience . The reason for this is that it would throw the responsibility from the referee onto the umpires . In many club games up and down the country umpires are often memebers from each club involved in the game. The umpire does not have the right to say he threw the ball. he may well say it and the referee might take notice but it is not the umpires job..
This whole fiasco could see Louth's season extend further than it might had they won. They won't be short of motivation for the qualifiers.
Had they won yesterday they probably would have been happy enough with their leinster. They'll be pretty determined to win a few more matches now.
On the bright side this uber blunder seems to have brought many new members to the board and caused many others to restart posting. Always a sliver lining on the shitheap.
I will be amazed if a replay is not offered to Louth. Like Eamonn O'Brien said yesterday, it would be near impossible to celebrate winning a title in that regard & they'll be forever associated with winning it in dire circumstances. Why, oh why did that idiot not consult with the umpires behind the goals, I couldn't believe it when he instructed him to raise the green flag. Anyways, that's been debated to death already but there will be a long shadow over Eastmeath for the rest of the season if they don't offer a replay & it'll be one that will hinder them in the long run. Best to take the medicine now to get it out of the system.
Shocking scenes at the end, glad to hear the steward is alright, why didn't the GAA leave the netting over the first 3 rows of seats that they had in position on Saturday? It's not as if the game was near a sell out. The GAA needs to forfeit these rows in Croker for finals till we get the message & stay off the pitch...
Quote from: Zapatista on July 12, 2010, 07:54:59 AM
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on July 12, 2010, 12:47:10 AM
The GAA will side with Louth on this one, an extra day out at Croke park will mean more €€€€€€
However county boards will challenge reults more often if a team is hard done by.
It's not up to the GAA it's up to Meath. Meath will do the right thing and go straight to the QF as Leinster Champions.
Would agree with that. Harsh on Louth.
This was an incident waiting to happen, as long as Martin Sludden was being appointed to referee inter-county matches.
FIFA have it right - look at the officials in the Lampard / Tevez incidents. "Get to fcuk and stay got to fcuk"
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on July 12, 2010, 07:41:53 PM
The GAA needs to forfeit these rows in Croker for finals till we get the message & stay off the pitch...
One simple rule, if fans enter the playing area, then any cup presentation gets immediately abandoned.
The cup gets whisked away and handed to the winning captain in the dressing room.
The penny will eventually drop if this is actually done. If we keep pandering to yahoo-ism, invasions won't stop.
Quote from: AN other on July 12, 2010, 06:52:53 PM
This whole fiasco could see Louth's season extend further than it might had they won. They won't be short of motivation for the qualifiers.
Had they won yesterday they probably would have been happy enough with their leinster. They'll be pretty determined to win a few more matches now.
Maybe but win another game or two in the qualifiers and it would be forgotten about in 12 months time anyway. A Leinster title for them would have meant the world and remembered for decades.
Bit late on this one myself, but if the game is replayed in any official capacity we may as well call time on our games and hand them over to liberal lefties to ruin them once and for all.
Sport is all about highs and lows, shocks and dramas. And the main reason for this is that when a game is over, it's over, and there is no going back in time.
Personally I understand the shock and frustation that Louth are going through. At one stage yesterday I was cheering the fellas on who were have having a swipe at Sludden, so annoyed was I - not at his mistake, but for his sheer arrogance in handling the situation.
But if Louth pursue a replay they will irrevocably change the nature of our games forever, and it's simply downright irresponsible and selfish for them to even consider their cause worthy enough for this kind of action.
The only fallout from yesterday's game should involve Sludden. He should be banned from any intercounty activity for a year. Not because he made a mistake, but because he didn't call on his umpires and linesmen for such an important decision. Referees need to be accountable too.
You cheered on the gobshites who struck Sludden but think that irresponsible and selfish for an honourable man such as Fitzer to ask for a replay!!
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 12, 2010, 07:55:15 PM
Quote from: AN other on July 12, 2010, 06:52:53 PM
This whole fiasco could see Louth's season extend further than it might had they won. They won't be short of motivation for the qualifiers.
Had they won yesterday they probably would have been happy enough with their leinster. They'll be pretty determined to win a few more matches now.
Maybe but win another game or two in the qualifiers and it would be forgotten about in 12 months time anyway. A Leinster title for them would have meant the world and remembered for decades.
100% Correct
If Louth had have won the game in similar circumstances - nowhere near as big a fuss would have been created.
Quote from: put-it-up on July 12, 2010, 08:21:00 PM
If Louth had have won the game in similar circumstances - nowhere near as big a fuss would have been created.
I disagree
The dust has settled for me on this topic. NO Replay. It's tough on Louth. But where does one stop if we go down this road? Dodgy wides, dodgy sending offs, dodgy time keeing, dodgy penalties, dodgy frees, dodgy non sending offs. it's a can of worms waiting to be opened.
Lessons have to be learned from this.
Greater support for referees in having
1 - linesmen and umpires that are qualified referees.
2 - timekeeping to be taken out of the referees hands.
3 - linesmen and umpires to be more involved in helping sort out incidents.
hi rionach4.there was a dispute about the goal,he fell in over the line.im a ref myself and iv never seen such a sham as i did yesterday the problem here is the gaa we have people doing jobs ie reffing ,handing out suspensions,basically not knowing what they are doing its just who they are.ive been to matches and seen couples there,she reading a book and he fast asleep and they have the best seats just because of who they are or who they know and the genuine supporter who supports his local club team ond does voluntarly bits for the club are priced out of going to the big games and whos to blame the gaa higharchy
kerrylions, that is perhaps the most unintelligible mess ever written on GAABoard. Quite some accolade. Don't they teach English where you are from?
So if Meath lost like Louth lost to a team like Dublin. No big deal. Is that what your saying. If Meath lost like Louth lost say to Kerry. No big deal. If Meath lost like Louth lost to Tyrone no big deal...... Your fooling yourself. What happened yesterday is bigger than both Louth and Meath. It has caught the attention of the whole country and a lot of Irishmen all over the planet. It has brought up some important questions that the GAA must consider. Maybe umpires at intercounty level should have more say in the game and be qualified to be there. They should not be there just to wave bloody flags. I understand at club level it is different. No one wants the job on a cold wet night. But this was a Lenister Final with the Irish President there to watch what turned out to be a farce. How embarrassing. And the crowd controll.... Please. Enough of people running out on the field. If you run out on the field your tresspassing and you will be prosecuted. Simple. End of story. That has to stop. Period.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on July 12, 2010, 07:50:30 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on July 12, 2010, 07:41:53 PM
The GAA needs to forfeit these rows in Croker for finals till we get the message & stay off the pitch...
One simple rule, if fans enter the playing area, then any cup presentation gets immediately abandoned. The cup gets whisked away and handed to the winning captain in the dressing room.The penny will eventually drop if this is actually done. If we keep pandering to yahoo-ism, invasions won't stop.
The scheme would definitely work in Surrey.After you're done keeping the punters off the pitch try the next logical step, a property tax and after that bin charges and then how about improving the standards of driving in Ireland. Pitch invasions are all about defying authority and insurance and if the Gael is corralled sure how can he function properly ? You might as well try and get rid of the round system. The next thing you'll be expecting pissed farmers to put their supermacs waste in the litter bin.
Any word on the "big meeting in Meath" Anyone hear anything?
wobbles try and open youre little mind and smell the roses.where have you been for the past 20 years.if you have problems understanding whats going on just say so and i can simplify it for you
24 hours later and I'm still not happy. The Gaa have washed their hands of it by saying they can't order a replay. People are looking at the Meath County Board to do the right thing (I hope they do) but why should it be up to them? They have done nothing wrong here. Those who talk of entering dangerous territory don't seem to notice that we already entered very dangerous territory yesterday. I'm glad Hardy posted that the Steward is ok.
This might seem a ridiculous thing to say, especially after yesterday's heroic performance by Sludden, but the elephant in the room is the lack of respect afforded to referees. Before yesterday's game I was watching the other games and was annoyed at the incredibly stupid attempts at tackles by so called inter-county players. I started discussing it with my brother watching the Dublin/Tipp game and I said something like 'watch how defenders go in for tackles'. The next tackle was on a Dublin forward who was caught by the head, by both hands, by a Tipp defender who threw the Dublin player onto the ground. He was livid with the ref when a free was awarded against him. We just laughed at the ridiculousness of it.
What chance do referees have? They are presented with a rulebook that is practically indecipherable, a tackle that is hopelessly defined and interpreted differently by everyone and they are then pulled asunder by TV analysis, by angry players and apoplectic managers. How many times do you hear that both sides were unhappy with the ref? The TV analysis veers towards highlighting referees mistakes rather than the sheer stupidity of some of the players attempted tackles. Many players spend large parts of the game protesting every decision, some disingenuously, others in utter frustration at the interpretation of the referee.
We need to take a few leaves out of rugby's book and start with a very strictly enforced rule that only the captain may question a decision. I believe if Sludden had gone to the two umpires for a conference we would have had up to 30 players shouting in his ears and might have ended up with a melee no matter what he decided (not suggesting Meath/Louth players are any different to any other county).
Regarding yesterday's game the Gaa need to be seen to do the right thing but overall they need to seriously sort out the referees and give them something they can work with.
kerrylions, open my mind to what? In that spiel you have more grammatical errors and spelling mistakes than actual words. That's a tremendous accomplishment. But it does mean that I can't understand you, or the point you are trying to put across.
As a neutral i'm not really going to comment too much on the incident itself as i didnt see it either live or on TV - only what i've managed to glean from You Tube. But one comment i would make is that its grossly unfair for the GAA to step back and push the ball into the Meath county boards court to make a decision. They should be coming out with clear leadership on this issue one way or another long before the meeting tonight of the meath county board.
I had no idea I was been graded here. Thought we were talking GAA. Lets get back on the topic you too.
Ups. at inter county level should be refs. right??? I think so
I agree with a lot of what you're saying there Muppet. The influence of soccer on how we treat our referees is disgraceful. Conning referees is applauded by your teammates, managers and supporters, and not taking an opportunity to con a referee is often looked upon with disdain by the same folk. It's a disgrace.
But the referees are still a major part of the problem. Too many of them - like Sludden - make things difficult for themselves by refusing to think about decisions before making them. It's a case of blow the whistle then make the decision rather than the other way around. If a foul is a foul it doesn't matter if it takes you 3 seconds to a blow the whistle, as play restarts from the same play either way. But allowing the play to flow for those 3 seconds, then playing on as you decide it wasn't a foul, can make the game such a better spectacle.
The RTE news just should cameras inside the meeting room where the Meath County board are sitting, I don't know if that is a good or bad thing for the chances of a replay, I'm going to go with good!!
I think an apres match sketch would help. Eamon Dunphy as the lover of gaelic football who is saddened by what transpired with on the other side one of the Meathies from here engaging in a good dose of whataboutery.
Quote from: Louth Exile on July 12, 2010, 09:05:04 PM
The RTE news just should cameras inside the meeting room where the Meath County board are sitting, I don't know if that is a good or bad thing for the chances of a replay, I'm going to go with good!!
I saw the head of a gaaboard poster there
nobody else complained,they know and understand what im saying.we are living in 2010 and i think you are back in the dark ages
Haha, okay you twit. We may live in 2010 but the human brain has not become so developed that it can give shared meaning to a mostly unrelated sequence of letters and punctuation marks.
mabye youre brain hasnt,but everyone elses have
I think we should have an apres match sketch between thewobbler and kerrylions.
Come on keep me up to date. I'm at work in New bloody Jersey, whats going on at the meeting?
It had better be a lunchtime throw-in pkerin or else kerrylions might miss his bedtime.
Executive meeting started at seven and ran for over 2 hours, full meeting only just started 10 minutes ago. Word is that the players and mangement have some mixed feeling about offering the replay, but that some prominent former players have been putting forward the case for a replay. Don't expect word on this any time soon
hi pkerin.nothing decided yet at the meeting yet.the county board has just started its meeting.i hope you can understand what im saying,if not mr woobles might be able to dissect my mistakes.ha ha :D
Decision on Meath v Louth replay – Live updates
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/07/12/decision-on-meath-v-louth-replay-live-updates/
Quote from: muppet on July 12, 2010, 08:50:57 PM
24 hours later and I'm still not happy. The Gaa have washed their hands of it by saying they can't order a replay. People are looking at the Meath County Board to do the right thing (I hope they do) but why should it be up to them? They have done nothing wrong here. Those who talk of entering dangerous territory don't seem to notice that we already entered very dangerous territory yesterday. I'm glad Hardy posted that the Steward is ok.
I though that there was a lot of good work done by the Louth manager and officials to try to keep a lid on things as the match ended. The fact that they apologised to the ref and the fact that Meath are having their meeting today are very encouraging. The GAA is about decent people and that is coming through, I think.
Yesterday was a very significant day for the organisation and I wouldn't be surprised to see some changes as a result but they have to be do-able in the context of the country where the sports are played.
I will be fired by the end of my shift over this. Well thank god for the qualifiers right. I mean could you imagine Louth were out out, like the old days.
And I must say I have learned a lot today. I think I may even have improved my grammer a wee bit...... Naaaa maybe not.
Louth should be thrown out of the Championship.
Quote from: ONeill on July 12, 2010, 09:44:25 PM
Louth should be thrown out of the Championship.
no they should not tat typical coming from a tyrone man
any construction jobs over there pkerin
Quote from: kerrylions on July 12, 2010, 09:48:11 PM
any construction jobs over there pkerin
Jaysus. You can't construct a sentence, never mind a building :D
go back to the bog of allen biffo
I have no idea, I work in advertising. Can you post picts on this site. I made an image of the goal mouth from yesterday and popped in Thierry Henry surrounded by Meath players. Its pretty funny
Just watched the video of the aftermatch shenanaghans again.
I feel sorry for Martin Sludden. Has anyone on this board ever been lynched? Can you imagine the fear of being surrounded by vicious thugs wanting to thrash you.
The job of a referee is not easy. He did the right thing though, by consulting his umpires.
If you upload to photobucket or somewhere, and then use the 1st icon on the second row when you are posting a new message (just above the smilies).
You'll get an empty tag like [img][\img] and you can post your url from photobucket in between the ][ i.e. [img] Something here [slash img] (I wrote slash rather than the \ so you could read it).
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 12, 2010, 09:49:43 PM
Quote from: kerrylions on July 12, 2010, 09:48:11 PM
any construction jobs over there pkerin
Jaysus. You can't construct a sentence, never mind a building :D
:D
Quote from: pkerin on July 12, 2010, 09:53:08 PM
I have no idea, I work in advertising. Can you post picts on this site. I made an image of the goal mouth from yesterday and popped in Thierry Henry surrounded by Meath players. Its pretty funny
Ah - that will explain the originality and wit of your little creation.
Any wrecking about Drogheda last night? Bettystown burnt to the ground?
Sludden, although being a badd'un normally, made that call in good faith. He had no agenda. It has happened zillions of times in countless sports. However, you don't have half a dozen supporters manhandling the officials afterwards and a steward stretched out. Take your soup. We moaned and still do about Paddy Russell. Louth fans, or a minority, behaved despicably during the game with the booing of Meath free-kicks - much worse than any other county supports I've ever heard.
I repeat - Louth need to be punished over this. Even merge them with Armagh or something.
Quotego back to the bog of allen biffo
Easy there kerrylions you may just be standing next to this biffo at the next club game you go to in Kerry ;)
christ azoffaly if mr wobbles has seeing what youve just wrote his poor litttle brain will go into meltdown
21:52
It looks like there is going to be no decision tonight, the wisdom of the Meath county board was not to get a copy of the ref's report.
So unless they get a copy in the next hour there will be no more discussion on the matter tonight.
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/07/12/decision-on-meath-v-louth-replay-live-updates/
Well thats that then.....................
Sorry you will have to wait for Thierry Henry scores for Meath. My companies firewall has me locked out of photo sites. I'll try when I get home. By then you will be all getting your beauty sleep. Well at least all the Meath folk.
Quote from: kerrylions on July 12, 2010, 10:01:41 PM
christ azoffaly if mr wobbles has seeing what youve just wrote his poor litttle brain will go into meltdown
Is this post for real? Somebody must be taking the p*ss here. :D
Great so the GAA have no balls and now Meath are the same.
Quote from: Louth Exile on July 12, 2010, 10:05:24 PM
21:52
It looks like there is going to be no decision tonight, the wisdom of the Meath county board was not to get a copy of the ref's report.
So unless they get a copy in the next hour there will be no more discussion on the matter tonight.
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/07/12/decision-on-meath-v-louth-replay-live-updates/
Well thats that then.....................
They're going to consult with the Meath players & Mgt and make a decision tomorrow
Quote from: heffo on July 12, 2010, 10:07:27 PM
Quote from: Louth Exile on July 12, 2010, 10:05:24 PM
21:52
It looks like there is going to be no decision tonight, the wisdom of the Meath county board was not to get a copy of the ref's report.
So unless they get a copy in the next hour there will be no more discussion on the matter tonight.
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/07/12/decision-on-meath-v-louth-replay-live-updates/
Well thats that then.....................
They're going to consult with the Meath players & Mgt and make a decision tomorrow
Which is correct and right. Your county board couldn't make a decision without making sure the players are happy to do that. Which means I think the Co Board want to offer the replay.
Quote from: pkerin on July 12, 2010, 10:07:11 PM
Great so the GAA have no balls and now Meath are the same.
It is a cop out to leave it up to Meath. Has the Gaa noticed that they might be a teeny weeny bit conflicted?
The Meath CB are there for the good of Meath Gaa. Croke Park are there for the good of the game and it is they who should be doing the right thing, not passing the book.
There's always this end of the world shit when a controversial decision happens, GAA's a farce, refs are a joke, players have no integrity, fans were a disgrace, the championship is sullied etc etc.
No matter what county was playing yestereday, guaranteed there would've been a few nutters out to have a go at the ref after that decision, course it's wrong but it will be dealt with, lets not act so shocked that it could happen.
Now Joe Sheridan's the poster boy for cheating, like as if we have players putting their hand up every week to admit to jersey pulls and handling the ball on the ground.
Refereeing is a problem and definitely needs to be looked at in the context of using the umpires and linesmen but as I've said before given the abuse they're subjected to fewer and fewer are volunteering to do the job
Regardless of whether Meath offer a replay the game will and has to go on.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 12, 2010, 08:07:17 PM
Bit late on this one myself, but if the game is replayed in any official capacity we may as well call time on our games and hand them over to liberal lefties to ruin them once and for all.
Sport is all about highs and lows, shocks and dramas. And the main reason for this is that when a game is over, it's over, and there is no going back in time.
Personally I understand the shock and frustation that Louth are going through. At one stage yesterday I was cheering the fellas on who were have having a swipe at Sludden, so annoyed was I - not at his mistake, but for his sheer arrogance in handling the situation.
But if Louth pursue a replay they will irrevocably change the nature of our games forever, and it's simply downright irresponsible and selfish for them to even consider their cause worthy enough for this kind of action.
The only fallout from yesterday's game should involve Sludden. He should be banned from any intercounty activity for a year. Not because he made a mistake, but because he didn't call on his umpires and linesmen for such an important decision. Referees need to be accountable too.
Whilst there is much of your post I can't agree with, the bit in bold is certainly true. Sludden's actions after the game weren't those of a right thinking indivdual; he reminded me of Comically Ali with a Village People moustache.
Has Dundalk's own Jim Corr had his say on the matter yet? I was half expecting him on the Last Word this evening declaring the "goal" as part of the 9/11 conspiracy.
They could make a great South Park episode out of this. "RESPECT MARTIN SLUDDEN'S AUTHORITAH!"
22:46
Louth County Executive Committee had a meeting and reviewed the post match incidents at the LSFC final, Louth v Meath.
On behalf of Louth GAA we wish to condem the unsavoury incidents after the match. We will provide full co-operation with the relevant authorities to deal with the offenders.
We are also seeking a copy of the referees report for clarification purposes to enable the Louth executive committee to consider all options available.
We wish to confirm that no further official statements will be forthcoming on behalf of the Louth County Board on this matter until further notice
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/07/12/decision-on-meath-v-louth-replay-live-updates/
Not to trivialise the situation but here are the texts I got:
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Breaking news: The CCCC Held an emergency meeting straight after the Leinster final and after reviewing the Meath goal, they have decided to suspend Colm Cooper for a month.
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Sepp blatter was just interviewed after world cup final. He said "i cannot believe, ha ha, that louth are looking for a replay, ha ha"
Quote from: SuperDooperCooper on July 12, 2010, 10:56:33 PM
Not to trivialise the situation but here are the texts I got:
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Breaking news: The CCCC Held an emergency meeting straight after the Leinster final and after reviewing the Meath goal, they have decided to suspend Colm Cooper for a month.
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Sepp blatter was just interviewed after world cup final. He said "i cannot believe, ha ha, that louth are looking for a replay, ha ha"
Maybe they could be the ninth team in the quarters?
On second thoughts, hurling has already devised a system like that ;D ;D
Quote from: pkerin on July 12, 2010, 10:07:11 PM
Great so the GAA have no balls and now Meath are the same.
Take a break for a while like a good lad.
Just heard Meath sec say they done nothing wrong, Joe Sheridan, I didnt throw the ball, pure cheat and cocky with it, a bit like the Meath players in 96 that didn't split Dooher and McBride in the all Ireland semi.
Bart Simpson syndrome, I Didn't do it!
I hope now that there is not a replay - I hope that this incident serves to highlight the stupidity of the umpire system as it stands and how they are appointed.
Quote from: stephenite on July 13, 2010, 12:11:57 AM
I hope now that there is not a replay - I hope that this incident serves to highlight the stupidity of the umpire system as it stands and how they are appointed.
Hope being the operative word stephenite, fcuk ups have been made before and will be made again, this will change nothing with respect to the umpires.
The scenes after the final whistle have made sure there is an easy deflection for the gaa sadly.
Quote from: ballinaman on July 13, 2010, 12:16:43 AM
Quote from: stephenite on July 13, 2010, 12:11:57 AM
I hope now that there is not a replay - I hope that this incident serves to highlight the stupidity of the umpire system as it stands and how they are appointed.
Hope being the operative word stephenite, fcuk ups have been made before and will be made again, this will change nothing with respect to the umpires.
The scenes after the final whistle have made sure there is an easy deflection for the gaa sadly.
But Ballinaman we should not let the GAA away with deflecting the issue, a terrible decision by officials which cost a County which had within the rules of the GAA just won a Provincial Title should be dealt seperatly from the issue of thuggish behaviour by patrons of Croke Park (I don't think they could be called fans or supporters).
Lads, there's NOT going to be a replay. Simple as that. End of the story. Time to move on.
Louth should get their heads down and get ready for the qualifiers, hard as that may seem.
Is the legacy of Louth and their fans appearing in a Leinster final going to be the introduction of fencing at Croke Park?
Quote from: TYRONE HACK on July 12, 2010, 11:28:37 PM
Just heard Meath sec say they done nothing wrong, Joe Sheridan, I didnt throw the ball, pure cheat and cocky with it, a bit like the Meath players in 96 that didn't split Dooher and McBride in the all Ireland semi.
Bart Simpson syndrome, I Didn't do it!
That's what it's really about now isn't it? ;)
The Meath football team have surprisingly voted against giving Louth a replay,that looks like the end of the debate.
This is according to the RTE news at 10::00 am.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 12, 2010, 10:40:19 PM
Has Dundalk's own Jim Corr had his say on the matter yet? I was half expecting him on the Last Word this evening declaring the "goal" as part of the 9/11 conspiracy.
They could make a great South Park episode out of this. "RESPECT MARTIN SLUDDEN'S AUTHORITAH!"
gift grubs Jim Corr had something to say about it this moring on today fm
Quote from: stephenite on July 13, 2010, 12:11:57 AM
I hope now that there is not a replay - I hope that this incident serves to highlight the stupidity of the umpire system as it stands and how they are appointed.
If you expect the GAA to do anything about it, don't hold your breath.
Quote from: Louth Exile on July 12, 2010, 10:50:35 PM
Louth County Executive Committee had a meeting and reviewed the post match incidents at the LSFC final, Louth v Meath.
On behalf of Louth GAA we wish to condem the unsavoury incidents after the match. We will provide full co-operation with the relevant authorities to deal with the offenders.
We are also seeking a copy of the referees report for clarification purposes to enable the Louth executive committee to consider all options available.
We wish to confirm that no further official statements will be forthcoming on behalf of the Louth County Board on this matter until further notice
Is that not the daftest statement ever?
Essentially, there will be no statement until the next statement.
Is it true that the guy who tried to steal the World Cup trophy on Sunday was a disgruntled Louth fan trying to get something to parade down the streets of Dundalk instead of the Delaney Cup?
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Quote from: SuperDooperCooper on July 12, 2010, 10:56:33 PM
Not to trivialise the situation but here are the texts I got:
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Breaking news: The CCCC Held an emergency meeting straight after the Leinster final and after reviewing the Meath goal, they have decided to suspend Colm Cooper for a month.
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Am I missing something or is there a reason that this joke mentions Cooper and not Galvin?
It's because they're picking on Kerry now. Allegedly.
Yes, but surely Galvin would make more sense?
Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 01:05:35 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 13, 2010, 12:54:44 PM
Yes, but surely Galvin would make more sense?
He's already suspended.
Yeah, I know. Cooper just seemed a bit random to work.
That's the point of it. But you know what they say, if you have to explain it, it's not funny :D
I hoped Louth would win and really felt sorry them. However some of the abuse directed at the gaa in general is crazy. Mistakes happen in every sport - England goal not given v Germany or Henry's handball are to recent examples in soccer.
There's very little the gaa can do at this point to correct the human error on the day. They can't introduce a new rule at this of the season to introduce a replay for a referee's mistake. Not only would it be against the rules but it would be a seriously bad precedent to set. Like it or not the only way there can be a replay is if Meath offer it and that now looks unlikely.
The best thing about this is that Louth aren't out of the championship (although Leinster was probably their ultimate aim this season). The players can knuckle down now and use this as motivation. They still can get back to Croke Park for the quarter finals and take it from there. People think this is bad but imagine if there was no back door. Louth's season would now be over with no more championshp to next May.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 13, 2010, 12:32:59 PM
Quote from: SuperDooperCooper on July 12, 2010, 10:56:33 PM
Not to trivialise the situation but here are the texts I got:
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Breaking news: The CCCC Held an emergency meeting straight after the Leinster final and after reviewing the Meath goal, they have decided to suspend Colm Cooper for a month.
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Am I missing something or is there a reason that this joke mentions Cooper and not Galvin?
The joke is to do with how ridiculous the CCCC suspensions are and including Gooch makes it even more ridiculous.
Quote from: blanketattack on July 13, 2010, 03:14:02 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 13, 2010, 12:32:59 PM
Quote from: SuperDooperCooper on July 12, 2010, 10:56:33 PM
Not to trivialise the situation but here are the texts I got:
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Breaking news: The CCCC Held an emergency meeting straight after the Leinster final and after reviewing the Meath goal, they have decided to suspend Colm Cooper for a month.
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Am I missing something or is there a reason that this joke mentions Cooper and not Galvin?
The joke is to do with how ridiculous the CCCC suspensions are and including Gooch makes it even more ridiculous.
Maybe it should have been
"they have decided to extend Galvin's suspension for another 4 weeks". That would be funnier (to me anyway).
let meath keep the trophy. next year get a new one. this will totally devalue meaths win. they are not the sportsmen that they think they are. i read that even sean boylan mr fairplay himself says keep the title. i really respected guys like him and the lads on that great meath team i thought they were real men i cant believe it. begs the question would armagh give a replay i'd like to think we would, its not sam thats at stake. but would fermanagh hand back the anglo celt? its hard to say, i genueinly think they would. "if your gonna do it do it right" (george michael) :)
So will Armagh offer a replay for the 2005 Ulster Final when the ref made two monumental errors in Armagh's favour?
yes we will. and will tyrone give a replay for when marsden was sent off for nothing robbing us ;)
The ref in 2005 admitted he was wrong. The ref in 2003 maintains he was correct.
Quote from: lawnseed on July 13, 2010, 09:19:25 PM
begs the question would armagh give a replay i'd like to think we would, its not sam thats at stake.
That's really missing the principle of the argument. You're also failing to consider that a provincial title would probably mean as much to the current Louth team as an All Ireland would to Armagh.
QuoteThe ref in 2005 admitted he was wrong. The ref in 2003 maintains he was correct.
A ref that is wrong and doesn't admit it is even worse.
QuoteYou're also failing to consider that a provincial title would probably mean as much to the current Louth team as an All Ireland would to Armagh.
So you decide what to do according to some formula about how long it is since a team won something? This case would be stronger if Louth had a run of losing finals, Mayo style, but they didn't get off the ground at all most years, which wasn't anyone elses fault.
o'neill the red card was resended ref or not ::) ::) ::) i'm not doin this shite again :) worry about the farneymen you shit stirren fecker
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 13, 2010, 09:40:00 PM
That's really missing the principle of the argument. You're also failing to consider that a provincial title would probably mean as much to the current Louth team as an All Ireland would to Armagh.
Ridiculous.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 13, 2010, 09:43:44 PM
QuoteYou're also failing to consider that a provincial title would probably mean as much to the current Louth team as an All Ireland would to Armagh.
So you decide what to do according to some formula about how long it is since a team won something? This case would be stronger if Louth had a run of losing finals, Mayo style, but they didn't get off the ground at all most years, which wasn't anyone elses fault.
That's exactly the point i'm NOT making!
The previous poster had implied that it would be different if it was the All Ireland. It wouldn't.
Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 09:42:34 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 13, 2010, 09:40:00 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on July 13, 2010, 09:19:25 PM
begs the question would armagh give a replay i'd like to think we would, its not sam thats at stake.
That's really missing the principle of the argument. You're also failing to consider that a provincial title would probably mean as much to the current Louth team as an All Ireland would to Armagh.
Should there be a hierarchy of victims?
:D
Not at all. Again this point seems to have been misinterpreted. If you think there is a basis for action here, you can't pick and choose when it is an important enough match to apply that principle. Lawnseed was implying that because it's not an All Ireland, Meath shouldn't mind giving it another go - my point is that it is irrelevant that it is a Leinster Final and not an All Ireland.
Quote from: hardstation on July 13, 2010, 09:42:34 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 13, 2010, 09:40:00 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on July 13, 2010, 09:19:25 PM
begs the question would armagh give a replay i'd like to think we would, its not sam thats at stake.
That's really missing the principle of the argument. You're also failing to consider that a provincial title would probably mean as much to the current Louth team as an All Ireland would to Armagh.
Should there be a hierarchy of victims?
:D
The hierarchy here is hilarious.
The Central Council can't do anything.
The CCCC can't do anything.
So they all ask Meath County Board to do the right thing.
They can't seem to decide so they get the Meath players to vote.
The players vote no and lob in another insult to Louth (allegedly).
But then no one wants players deciding anything do they?
So....
We are back to the Meath County Board and waiting for a statement.
This is like waiting for the Leaving Cert results except this time I time I have done more study on the matter....
what have the GPA said on this havent heard a word? or have they become the stooges of crokepark
I was one of the 36 people who voted that the title should be awarded to Louth and Meath enter the qualifiers. The more I think about it the more I am convinced that this is what should be done.
what i mean maguire is that theres a back door for the loser, unfortunatly because of that system provincial titles have been devalued. makes a case for a league type system then boobs like this would mean less. btw if it was a sam it would already have been taken onto the roof of the carrickdale and right through armagh (including keady have to mention them) wouldnt fancy trying to pri it out of the pale white hands of patk og to give it up for the likes of tyrone kerry or cork to have another go. :o
Gaa Theory of Relativity
Special Relatively:
The laws of Gaa are different for all observers in uniform motion relative to one another.
The speed of outrage in a vacuum is the same for all observers, regardless of their relative connection to the event or whether they even saw it in the first instance.
Two infringements, blatantly obvious for all other observers, may not be obvious for an arbitrating observer if he operates in slow motion.
Moving clocks are observed to tick more slowly than an arbitrator's stationary clock.
General Relativity:
Time goes slower in higher gravitational situations. This is called 'playing for a draw'.
Outrage precesses in a way unexpected in Sheridan's theory of gravity.
Rays of light bend in the presence of high gravitational fields adversely affecting the view of the observer.
Only after a number of random collisions can an arbitrator accelerate to the speed of light.
In higher gravitational situations red shift can appear as flashes of yellow to observers.
Pierce Brosnan said today: "Leave them wanting more, less is more, and I don't think we could top what we did the first time. It was such a phenomenal success." (he was asked about a new Mamma Mia! movie)
Quote from: Onlooker on July 13, 2010, 10:10:44 PM
I was one of the 36 people who voted that the title should be awarded to Louth and Meath enter the qualifiers. The more I think about it the more I am convinced that this is what should be done.
I did the same thing and still hold that stance.
Just confirmed, no repaly
That should have said no replay!!!!!
Everyone knows Marsden was unlucky to go - in that Jordan instigated the whole thing.
To claim it was an incident which turned a game is a tad wide of the mark.
TYP is showing that the ref wasn't looking and couldn't have seen the incident - whatever happened
Because he was looking down and away at the point of impact? I really don't know... i'm just trying to answer the question for you
If you'd tried a bit harder you could have come up with it yourself
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 14, 2010, 12:42:12 AM
If you'd tried a bit harder you could have come up with it yourself
If we've learnt anything from this Fiasco it's not to try at all.
Very noble of Louth.
Not so noble of the Gaa to leave it to the victim to have do the right thing.
Equally not very noble of the Gaa to suggest that the accidental beneficiary should have had to do the right thing either.
What will the Gaa learn from this?
All together now..........
Quote from: muppet on July 14, 2010, 08:59:32 PM
Very noble of Louth.
Not so noble of the Gaa to leave it to the victim to have do the right thing.
Equally not very noble of the Gaa to suggest that the accidental beneficiary should have had to do the right thing either.
What will the Gaa learn from this?
All together now..........
NOTHING....................When might we expect to hear word on whether they are going to remove Sludden from the panel or at least retire from IC refereeing?? Or am just still in this optimistic mood?
Quote from: Take Your Points on July 14, 2010, 07:48:10 PM
Louth to take no further action
" 1 Goalmouth incident at the end of match: The referee has indicated in his report that he blew the whistle for a penalty, but then changed his mind and awarded a goal instead, which is contrary to playing rules. We also fail to understand why the referee did not consult with both umpires in relation to the goal being awarded, which is also contrary to guidance given to referees in such contraversal circumstances. In the light of this and the clear admission in the referees report that he "made a terrible mistake," the referees report therefore is questionable.
What age was the person who wrote this?
If Sluddsy saw a penalty in that incident then he is an even bigger fool that I thought. Which is an achievement.
Still begs another question. Had Meath scored a goal from the penalty Sluddo awarded (before changing his mind), would Louth have been more / less/ equally hard done by?
Quote from: saffron sam2 on July 14, 2010, 09:37:11 PM
Still begs another question. Had Meath scored a goal from the penalty Sluddo awarded (before changing his mind), would Louth have been more / less/ equally hard done by?
Much much less of course. Some people, albeit a small minority, thought it was a penalty. At least it was a debatable decision.
Quote from: muppet on July 14, 2010, 08:59:32 PM
Very noble of Louth.
Not so noble of the Gaa to leave it to the victim to have do the right thing.
Equally not very noble of the Gaa to suggest that the accidental beneficiary should have had to do the right thing either.
What will the Gaa learn from this?
All together now..........
Those are the two main lessons from this...
The GAA, who are supposed to be leading and running this game and competition, when they should have done something they ran away.
A replay whether to have it or not had NOTHING to do with Meath, Meath CB, Meath players or the Louth CB either. The should never have been in that situation, or allowed be in that situation. THAT decision should have been made clear by the GAA from the very get go and they should have acted.
But no, they just put their head in the sand.
Quote from: JMohan on July 15, 2010, 02:25:04 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 14, 2010, 08:59:32 PM
Very noble of Louth.
Not so noble of the Gaa to leave it to the victim to have do the right thing.
Equally not very noble of the Gaa to suggest that the accidental beneficiary should have had to do the right thing either.
What will the Gaa learn from this?
All together now..........
Those are the two main lessons from this...
The GAA, who are supposed to be leading and running this game and competition, when they should have done something they ran away.
A replay whether to have it or not had NOTHING to do with Meath, Meath CB, Meath players or the Louth CB either. The should never have been in that situation, or allowed be in that situation. THAT decision should have been made clear by the GAA from the very get go and they should have acted. But no, they just put their head in the sand.
Tthe GAA said "No Replay" shortly after the game! They were clear on the matter, in fairness to them. Now a lot of people thought that was wrong or unfair or whatever, but its wrong to say they put their head in the sand.
They never asked Meath CB to offer a replay or to even consider offering a replay. But they couldnt order them not to consider it or offer it. And certainly if Meath had offered it, they would have granted the request.
Meath CB should probably have done nothing at all, but they initially decided to offer the replay, only for the players to say they were against it. Hence you had the circus of 2 Meath CB meetings on consecutive days, and the ridiculous statement they issued (well the first paragraph was ridiculous when for some reason they tried to support their decision not to offer a replay by saying "it would have been a pen anyway").
Could the Leinster Council have refused to adopt the Ref's report and either declared Louth the Champions or re fixed the Final?
Quote from: Hound on July 15, 2010, 02:53:57 PM
Quote from: JMohan on July 15, 2010, 02:25:04 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 14, 2010, 08:59:32 PM
Very noble of Louth.
Not so noble of the Gaa to leave it to the victim to have do the right thing.
Equally not very noble of the Gaa to suggest that the accidental beneficiary should have had to do the right thing either.
What will the Gaa learn from this?
All together now..........
Those are the two main lessons from this...
The GAA, who are supposed to be leading and running this game and competition, when they should have done something they ran away.
A replay whether to have it or not had NOTHING to do with Meath, Meath CB, Meath players or the Louth CB either. The should never have been in that situation, or allowed be in that situation. THAT decision should have been made clear by the GAA from the very get go and they should have acted. But no, they just put their head in the sand.
Tthe GAA said "No Replay" shortly after the game! They were clear on the matter, in fairness to them. Now a lot of people thought that was wrong or unfair or whatever, but its wrong to say they put their head in the sand.
They never asked Meath CB to offer a replay or to even consider offering a replay. But they couldnt order them not to consider it or offer it. And certainly if Meath had offered it, they would have granted the request.
Meath CB should probably have done nothing at all, but they initially decided to offer the replay, only for the players to say they were against it. Hence you had the circus of 2 Meath CB meetings on consecutive days, and the ridiculous statement they issued (well the first paragraph was ridiculous when for some reason they tried to support their decision not to offer a replay by saying "it would have been a pen anyway").
No, they only said - previously and according to the rule books there would be no replay, but left it open that a replay would be sanctioned if the winning team agreed to it. By not stating that they left it open.
They should have said 'There will be no replay. This is regardless of any decision made by the winning team. There will be a full review at the end of this years Championship of all refereeing procedures in light of the game to ensure this situation never happens again.'
That would have made it clear and helped demonstrate to the public that they'd do something about it - something else they've failed to do!
I agree fully - would have been harsh and unfair etc etc, but would have ended the rot.
And Yes! Meath CB should have done nothing, they were foolish for meeting the next night as everyone was expecting them to do something. They should stayed quiet, said nothing and let the pressure build on the GAA or Louth and above all have let Louth CB have their meeting first, to see their reaction.
Quote from: JMohan on July 15, 2010, 03:55:05 PM
No, they only said - previously and according to the rule books there would be no replay, but left it open that a replay would be sanctioned if the winning team agreed to it. By not stating that they left it open.
They should have said 'There will be no replay. This is regardless of any decision made by the winning team. There will be a full review at the end of this years Championship of all refereeing procedures in light of the game to ensure this situation never happens again.'
That would have made it clear and helped demonstrate to the public that they'd do something about it - something else they've failed to do!
I agree fully - would have been harsh and unfair etc etc, but would have ended the rot.
And Yes! Meath CB should have done nothing, they were foolish for meeting the next night as everyone was expecting them to do something. They should stayed quiet, said nothing and let the pressure build on the GAA or Louth and above all have let Louth CB have their meeting first, to see their reaction.
I think you're being a tad harsh on the GAA.
If they had said, No Replay AND Meath you're not allowed offer a replay, there would have been the same amount of uproar and actually probably more, but because then every Meath person would have said - Of course we would have replayed it, but we weren't let!
I wish they'd just ban Sludden from ever officiating outside Tyrone again...
I don't think it was the ref's fault. the system is made for human error to arse things up.
I think justice would be served if Meath get beaten in their QF but judging by what Hardy says this is very likely anyway. It is a pity because I was hoping for a Meath revival but if they don't have the players then what can they do ?
As for Louth, it would be nice if they could get to the quarters and then push on from there.
Quote from: seafoid on July 15, 2010, 05:12:27 PM
I don't think it was the ref's fault. the system is made for human error to arse things up.
I think justice would be served if Meath get beaten in their QF but judging by what Hardy says this is very likely anyway. It is a pity because I was hoping for a Meath revival but if they don't have the players then what can they do ?
As for Louth, it would be nice if they could get to the quarters and then push on from there.
Of course it was the ref's fault!!!! Who the hell else was in charge?
And it's nonsense to say justice would be Meath getting beaten in their QF ... they played to the whistle and the ref screwed up. It's nothing to do with them.
Quote from: The Konica on July 15, 2010, 05:15:35 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 15, 2010, 05:12:27 PM
I don't think it was the ref's fault. the system is made for human error to arse things up.
I think justice would be served if Meath get beaten in their QF but judging by what Hardy says this is very likely anyway. It is a pity because I was hoping for a Meath revival but if they don't have the players then what can they do ?
As for Louth, it would be nice if they could get to the quarters and then push on from there.
Of course it was the ref's fault!!!! Who the hell else was in charge?
Absolutely it was his fault. All that he had to do was consult the umpires rather than dictate to them. This is the question going around a lot of Louth heads, including the players. Why did he not just consult!!
Nobody offering any comfort here that he will face any consequences for his actions!!!
The last thing Clubs in Tyrone want is Sludden banned from IC games. That would mean they had no resbite from him fcukin up their games! The biggest mystery here is why he has been allowed to raise to this level of games - he is known as an accident waiting to happen, whose speciality is to ref from the middle third and blow for a free whenever he needs a breather!
what should be done about the Leinster final fiasco
Reminds me of the one and only Aidan Walsh
Take it away Aido
http://www.aidanwalsh.com/media/?display=9&sid=bec641130d27f42275c2495579802450
Quote from: seafoid on July 15, 2010, 05:12:27 PM
I think justice would be served if Meath get beaten in their QF but judging by what Hardy says this is very likely anyway. It is a pity because I was hoping for a Meath revival but if they don't have the players then what can they do ?
Meath aren't world beaters, but a semi-final place is well on the cards. Certainly the likes of Derry, Down, Kildare, Armagh won't scare them.
its the gaa that appoint the refs why hasnt the person that appointed sludden come out and said something and tell us what criteria is used to appoint county refs.sludden was the fall guy last sunday and theres plenty of the likes of him reffing games that havent got a clue,they probably know every page of the rule book but havnt got an ounce of common sense,and panic when an incident takes place,and instead of asking their linesmen and umpires for assistance they panic and do something stupid.its time the gaa weed out these clowns all they are doing is fustrating players with bizzare decisions that wouldnt be seen at u12s.
Chirsty Cooney bats away any blame or responsibility. Wouldn't it be nice if at some stage these boys would put their hands up and say that maybe we were wrong ?? I'll not hold my breath.
GAA President Christy Cooney has said that the controversial Louth v Meath Leinster Senior Football Championship final was a watershed for the Association.
Meath won the match in controversial circumstances when they were awarded a late goal by referee Martin Sludden. Replays clearly showed that Joe Sheridan had thrown the ball over the line to win Meath their 21st Delaney Cup.
That sparked a pitch invasion in which Sludden was jostled by angry Louth supporters.
Speaking to RTÉ Sport's Marty Morrissey, Cooney agreed that the match was a watershed for supporters in particular and said he hoped presentations would take place in the middle of the pitch at Croke Park in future.
The GAA made an effort to have the Cup and medal presentations in the centre of the pitch at Headquarters at the end of last year's All-Ireland finals but the new system did not work and supporters filled the field after both the hurling and football finals.
Both presentations took place in the Hogan Stand.
Cooney believes the events after the final whistle prove the case in favour of keeping people off the pitch after games.
He said: 'It has reinforced to everybody that we need to ensure that patrons stay off our pitch at the end of matches, that we need to do our presentations and that we need to give our players and officials the opportunity to leave the pitch with dignity and to celebrate with dignity.'
He did not rule out the possibility of having fencing around Croke Park.
Louth players commended for defending referee
Cooney also commended the Louth players for their actions after the match: several players defended the referee as supporters ran on to the pitch.
Speaking about he Louth supporters who jostled Sludden, Cooney added the matter was currently one for the Gardaí. However, he added that the GAA and the Leinster Council could yet ban people who took part in assaults on the referee.
Cooney also defended the GAA against accusations that it did not provide enough support to the Leinster Council or the counties involved during the controversy.
Officials from Louth and Meath have both accused to Association of failing to enough provide guidance and ultimately, Meath were left to decide on whether or not to give Louth a re-fixture themselves.
Cooney said: 'I believe we have acted very responsibly since the event took place last Sunday. I believe we gave appropriate advice to the Leinster council.
'We gave appropriate advice to both Meath and Louth on how to deal with the matter and I was quite surprised to hear and to read some of the comments that came from both counties. Both counties are well aware of our views on that. I don't believe there was any lack of support.'
'Croke Park weren't in a position to make any decision on this. All we could do was offer support and advice. The match was under jurisdiction of the Leinster council.'
After the match, the subject of whether the match should be replayed was hotly debated. Meath opted not to offer a replay, citing the fact that Sludden said in his report that he would have given Meath a penalty had a goal not been scored.
Cooney - 'would like to have seen replay'
Cooney said he would like to have seen the Leinster Final played again.
Cooney said: 'It would be fair to say that we would have all like to have seen a replay.'
He added: 'Meath decided otherwise. Within rule there was no other avenue for us to go; no other avenue for the Leinster council to take. I can't tear up a rulebook and make any decision that I want as President. That's not possible.[/[/size]b]'
Cooney is determined that the Association will not react in a kneejerk manner to the controversy and that time will be allowed to pass before any decisions are taken.
He continued: 'Last Sunday's circumstances were bizarre. I have never seen circumstances like it as long as I have been a member of this Association. Will I ever see them again as long as I live? Maybe not in my lifetime.
'Do we need to make massive changes? Do we need to throw out our rulebook? Do we need a rush of blood and change things immediately? Of course not.
'We need to give it some thought, and we need to do what's right. We need to take time to consider it.'
Sounds like fairly sensible responses from Cooney.
The big problem is that the GAA are not conducting their business through the media, which is what a lot of excitable people seem to want.
Apart from the indisputable points about the pitch invasions, it reads like hand-washing and a continuation of the buck-passing to me. On the one hand he says they could do nothing because of the rules. On the other hand, he'd have liked to see a replay.
Which is it? Either there can be a replay under the rules or not. No - wait. There's a third option. Meath can take responsibility for the referee's mistake, our hand-wringing inaction and the absence of a rule. Then we can have a replay, whether it's allowed or not by the rules. And if there's no replay, well it's not our fault in Croke Park, now, is it?
That's handy.
cooney blamed everyone except the 2 sides that were to blame for the fiasco.the ref for the shambles he made of the match,if he hadnt allowed that goal there wouldnt have been the scenes that happened after the final whistle.the gaa for appointing a muppet to ref such an important match,why didnt cooney come out and said the ref made a mistake, cooney is another yes man,why cant he call it as it is
Quote from: kerrylions on July 17, 2010, 11:13:29 AM
cooney blamed everyone except the 2 sides that were to blame for the fiasco.the ref for the shambles he made of the match,if he hadnt allowed that goal there wouldnt have been the scenes that happened after the final whistle.the gaa for appointing a muppet to ref such an important match,why didnt cooney come out and said the ref made a mistake, cooney is another yes man,why cant he call it as it is
Eh...don't blame us.