Ya gotta love paddy heaney. WUM of the highest quality
tyrone - home of football
Quote from: SouthDerryGael on September 22, 2009, 04:49:08 PM
Just because it's not Tyrone he must be a WUM. Some Tyrone people need to take their heads out of their arses youse are not the be all and end all of Gaelic Football.
And some Derry people need to catch themselves on and stop giving out about posts just because they're posted by someone from Tyrone.
And I said Some Derry people, not all either!!
Heaney has changed his tune today.Even got the boot into tyrone when no need to.Very pro Armagh all of a sudden
Between 2000 and 2009 across senior, minor and u21 - heaneys criteria - Tyrone have 26 trophies to armaghs 15. Last census showed Tyrone 166k armagh 159k. Both primarily football counties. Now tell me hes not a wum
Quote from: tyroneman on September 22, 2009, 05:32:19 PM
Between 2000 and 2009 across senior, minor and u21 - heaneys criteria - Tyrone have 26 trophies to armaghs 15. Last census showed Tyrone 166k armagh 159k. Both primarily football counties. Now tell me hes not a wum
Cant argue much about them stats, but I think it very much tongue in cheek from Heaney
and his hurling analysis is nonsense as Tyrone won Lory Meagher Cup tho he probably doesn't know that. Is trying to be Pat Spillane... very poor article and he is as changeable as the weather... one minute drooling over Kerry, then Tyrone.. now Armagh
when is the last time a county won the major four national football titles in the same calendar decade?
Quote from: The GAA on September 22, 2009, 05:40:40 PM
when is the last time a county won the major four national football titles in the same calendar decade?
4 ? Please explain as i was only aware of two national
Let's face it Tyrone cheated and dived to their first AIF in '03 and won the worst dourest game in living memory. They added nothing new or revolutionary to the game. In '05 I seem to remember they were beaten before the final but still managed to scrap another title with puke football. Last year, to give them their dues they actually tried to play football and won the title well. No such dispersions can be cast at the Armagh team '99-'07 - a good honest footballing team, who unfortunately got dragged into the mire on occasions by their bush dwelling neighbours.
Quote from: Bensars on September 22, 2009, 05:47:13 PM
Quote from: The GAA on September 22, 2009, 05:40:40 PM
when is the last time a county won the major four national football titles in the same calendar decade?
4 ? Please explain as i was only aware of two national
Sam
National League
U21 AI
Minor AI
Bensar,
1 Senior AIF
1 U-21 AIF
1 Minor AIF
1 NL
Quote from: The GAA on September 22, 2009, 05:40:40 PM
when is the last time a county won the major four national football titles in the same calendar decade?
I know I shouldn't, but this is too easy, was it ourselves?...
3 SAMs
3 Minor AIs
2 U21s
2 NFLs
And who was the last (and first) Ulster county to win the Senior and Minor AI football titles in the same year? ::)
think he meant calendar year
Tyrone might never have pushed on if not for envy of their smaller neighbours.
Which county was the first in 45 years to win 3 Ulster in row and the first in a similar period to reach successive All Irelands.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 22, 2009, 07:43:27 PM
Tyrone might never have pushed on if not for envy of their smaller neighbours.
Which county was the first in 45 years to win 3 Ulster in row and the first in a similar period to reach successive All Irelands.
How did they do in those two All Ireland finals? :-*
We in Armagh might be many things, team of the decade we most definately are not. Kop yerself on man dear. :-[
Quote from: armaghniac on September 22, 2009, 07:43:27 PM
Tyrone might never have pushed on if not for envy of their smaller neighbours.
Which county was the first in 45 years to win 3 Ulster in row and the first in a similar period to reach successive All Irelands.
Spot on and the jealousy is alive and kicking on this here wee forum too :D
Quote from: stew on September 22, 2009, 08:35:28 PM
We in Armagh might be many things, team of the decade we most definately are not. Kop yerself on man dear. :-[
he said 'county' of the decade...
QuoteHow did they do in those two All Ireland finals?
They won one and lost the other one when a player was sent off by a cheat diving on the other team.
How have Tyrone done in their successive AI finals?
Seriously. Armagh with all their Ulster titles......Team of the decade!!!! Far better than tyrone ;)
Quote from: armaghniac on September 22, 2009, 08:39:43 PM
QuoteHow did they do in those two All Ireland finals?
They won one and lost the other one when a player was sent off by a cheat diving on the other team.
How have Tyrone done in their successive AI finals?
:D
Quote from: armaghniac on September 22, 2009, 08:39:43 PM
QuoteHow did they do in those two All Ireland finals?
They won one and lost the other one when a player was sent off by a cheat diving on the other team.
How have Tyrone done in their successive AI finals?
No point in getting to All Ireland final if you ain't going to win it. All Irelands losers 2003 Armagh...big tickle. Underachievers all those Mickey Mouse Ulsters since 1999 and one, sad lonely Sam aw! :-*
I honestly don't know who is/are the bigger eejit/eejits, Heaney for the outrageous (but frivolous and scurrilous) assertion, or some of you Armagh lads for trying to justify it :D
As legendary Galway manager Joe Kernan said about All Ireland titles, "It takes a good team to win it once and a great team to win it twice"... 8) 8) 8)
what year did tyrone win their last u21 all ireland?
Quote from: The GAA on September 22, 2009, 09:09:48 PM
what year did tyrone win their last u21 all ireland?
2001
On reflection...Heaney is getting off the hook here for that daft article. Tyrone and Armagh have carved up Ulster titles in last ten years and only teams to beat Kerry in an All Ireland senior final. Mutual respect. The piece was to get away from what he wrote about the end of Kerry in June. He cudn't give a sh**t about Tyrone or Armagh's achievements.
Quote from: longrunsthefox on September 22, 2009, 08:58:03 PM
As legendary Galway manager Joe Kernan said about All Ireland titles, "It takes a good team to win it once and a great team to win it twice"... 8) 8) 8)
What did he say about winning it three times?
Quote from: ziggysego on September 22, 2009, 09:36:12 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on September 22, 2009, 08:58:03 PM
As legendary Galway manager Joe Kernan said about All Ireland titles, "It takes a good team to win it once and a great team to win it twice"... 8) 8) 8)
What did he say about winning it three times?
He meant in succession ziggy. :P
Quote from: stew on September 22, 2009, 09:39:11 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on September 22, 2009, 09:36:12 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on September 22, 2009, 08:58:03 PM
As legendary Galway manager Joe Kernan said about All Ireland titles, "It takes a good team to win it once and a great team to win it twice"... 8) 8) 8)
What did he say about winning it three times?
He meant in succession ziggy. :P
Is that why he broke the clock in 2003? ;)
QuoteLet's face it Tyrone cheated and dived to their first AIF in '03 and won the worst dourest game in living memory. They added nothing new or revolutionary to the game. In '05 I seem to remember they were beaten before the final but still managed to scrap another title with puke football. Last year, to give them their dues they actually tried to play football and won the title well. No such dispersions can be cast at the Armagh team '99-'07 - a good honest footballing team, who unfortunately got dragged into the mire on occasions by their bush dwelling neighbours.
Brilliant ;)
Yr after Heaney's job
Armagh are probably chokers of the decade.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 23, 2009, 10:29:35 AM
It is a wholly compelling and valid argument in my view and not a wind up.
I now know exactly who the biggest eejit is, and it's not Heaney who knew exactly what he was trying to do to deflect scrutiny from his howlers earlier in the season :D
Tyrone have 2.5 times as many National Football titles as Armagh in the decade:
Armagh:1 SAM
1 Minor AI
1 U21 AI
1 NFL
Tyrone:3 SAMs
3 Minor AIs
2 U21 AIs
2 NFLs
End of.
Agreed Fear, no argument here. The facts don't lie. The populations of both counties are roughly the same and there are around 50 clubs in Tyrone and 45 in Armagh which is almost the same too - Tony, could you tell me the last time 'geographical area' played a part in winning an All Ireland for a team?
As for Armagh being the current citadel of Ulster, catch a grip - Armagh is currently the laughing stock of Ulster in light of their recent shambolic management recruitment situation. Its a sad day when a GAA team are issuing public statements on the recruitment of mangement.
Quote from: tyroneman on September 22, 2009, 05:32:19 PM
Between 2000 and 2009 across senior, minor and u21 - heaneys criteria - Tyrone have 26 trophies to armaghs 15. Last census showed Tyrone 166k armagh 159k. Both primarily football counties. Now tell me hes not a wum
Dont buy Heaney's assertions at all, but you cant use dodgy stats to back up your argument as Armagh's percentage of Prods (for want of a better word) is significantly higher than Tyrones.
QuoteFact is Armagh is a lot smaller than Tyrone
Yes in every way, especially in terms of any credible success. You are correct for once
TYRONE ARMAGH7 AI Minor titles 2 minors
4 AI u21 Titles 1 U21
3 AI Seniors Titles 1 senior
2 National Leagues 1 National league
Fact is that majortiy of counties in ireland have had greater success than Armgh so ye aren;t even in the top 50%! ;D
So is anyone going to post it for those of us who don't get the IN?
Quote from: Donagh on September 23, 2009, 12:00:04 PM
So is anyone going to post it for those of us who don't get the IN?
Check out the Cork-Kerry thread, loser ;)
QuoteLooks like Paddy has riled the underachievers in Tyrone
It's more likely with him coming from Ulster's 2nd greatest chokers on the county scene he's aligned himself with the undisputed king of chokers. :D
Kerry have as many senior hurling AI's as Armagh or Derry have footballing ones! ;D :D
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 23, 2009, 12:06:15 PM
Kerry have as many senior hurling AI's as Armagh or Derry have footballing ones! ;D :D
And Cavan have nearly twice as many football AIs as Tyrone, what's your point?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 23, 2009, 12:05:34 PM
Check out the Cork-Kerry thread, loser ;)
Cheers Fear, I enjoyed that :D
QuoteLooks like Paddy has riled the underachievers in Tyrone
It stands to sense that Armagh with All Ireland's at all levels in the noughties (including back to back senior final appearances 2002 and 2003), and 6 Ulster SFC Championships (including a glorious 3 in a row whereas Tyrone couldn't even manage 2 in a row), are the top GAA county in Ulster presently, per capita and per square mile.
This is Paddy's point and it is irrefutable
What does back to back final appearances stand for if they aren't won. I don't see any Mayo posters coming on here gloating at reaching 'x' amount of All Ireland finals over the past 15 years as it means nothing unless you win it. What has per capita and square mile got to do with it?
Quote from: tyroneman on September 22, 2009, 05:32:19 PM
Between 2000 and 2009 across senior, minor and u21 - heaneys criteria - Tyrone have 26 trophies to armaghs 15. Last census showed Tyrone 166k armagh 159k. Both primarily football counties. Now tell me hes not a wum
Lads you are forgetting that from that 159k population about 100k of them are orange bastids (no pun intended) :D
Quote from: illdecide on September 23, 2009, 12:51:52 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on September 22, 2009, 05:32:19 PM
Between 2000 and 2009 across senior, minor and u21 - heaneys criteria - Tyrone have 26 trophies to armaghs 15. Last census showed Tyrone 166k armagh 159k. Both primarily football counties. Now tell me hes not a wum
Lads you are forgetting that from that 159k population about 100k of them are orange bastids (no pun intended) :D
43% of County Armagh is of Roman Catholic back ground. I'm not sure what Tyrone's make up is, but it's one of the 4 Ulster counties which is predominantly of RC background.
Leaving out anti Irish bigots Tyrone has over 100,000 to pick from, about 70% of their population. A similar population to Kerry or Mayo. Population is important, apart from Armagh AI finals since Roscommon and Offaly in the early 80's have only involved counties with more than 100,000 to pick from.
Someone might mention Derry and Down, Derry have a big population to pick from, they just haven't interested them in Gaelic games. The relevant population of Down is harder to calculate, even apart from their tendency to try and take part of Armagh as Down.
Ok we'll even it out for next time.
we'll give fermanagh Dromore
Armagh get the Moy (Fully)
Donegal can hold on to Strabane and sure Derry have already been sorted.
That should even things up!!
Quote from: botman on September 23, 2009, 10:14:49 AM
Armagh are probably chokers of the decade.
Thought that would be reserved for us!
This trash writing by Heaney is a classic example of journalists not having to be answerable for any faecetious articles that they come up with. Paddys effort is an example of how much influence Pat Spillane has had over GAA journalism over the past decade. I will stop buying the paper for fear of the influence spreading to myself, I would never want to think like these people. Why cant Tom Humphries move to the North? Is the papers that bereft of talent that Heaneys musings are as good as its going to get. What happened to the "entertaiining" football diary they had, Donny Donnybrook or whatever they called him - crap journalism as well.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 23, 2009, 02:04:55 PM
The point Heaney was trying to make and it is entirel valid that Tyrone a county with a huge GAA tradition and catchment area (by far the biggest in the 6 counties) has drastcially underachieved whereas Armagh, certainly in the last decade, have achieved success way beyond their natural resources and deserve to be called Ulster's Top GAA County at this point in time (it is also the only GAA County in Ulster that currently holds a significant All Ireland title).
I think he has an entirely valid point.
In terms of Championship head to head meetings from 2000 onwards, Tyrone and Armagh have met 9 times, Tyrone have four wins, Armagh three and there have been two draws. Therefore in terms of senior team meetings alone in the Championship Tyrone's advantage over Armagh is marginal and attributable wholly to biased refereeing in the 2003 AI Final and 2005 AI semi final. Case rested.
The best part of this statement is that he actually believes this. :D
The thing about Paddy is, he's a Derry man first and foremost. And like most Derry people, he's having a little gloat at Tyrone.
Armagh had a good run and they most be commended for making a most of their small resources - Crossmaglen. Now that that tap has stopped running, so has the Armagh team. Sure, they won U21 & Minor titles in recent years (and congratulations to the Minors) but it remains to be seen will the make it to the Senior squad.
I haven't read this thread but it seems that a serious bit of fishing is going on ;D
with Paddy Heaney supplying the bait...l
Paddy Heaney does not represent the views of any Derry people. Or any sane people. Or any people for that matter.
This thread is class.
Fearon and the gang trying to justify ( or seek comfort from those who may agree ) a claim of dominance for a team that it is widely accepted to have totally underachieved, in a time that its county management selection process is the laughing stock of the entire country.
Keep er up lads. Havent laughed as much in along time.
Quote from: Bensars on September 23, 2009, 03:14:28 PM
This thread is class.
Fearon and the gang trying to justify ( or seek comfort from those who may agree ) a claim of dominance for a team that it is widely accepted to have totally underachieved, in a time that its county management selection process is the laughing stock of the entire country.
Keep er up lads. Havent laughed as much in along time.
Really?
Some one tell that poor lad a few jokes.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on September 23, 2009, 03:19:45 PM
Quote from: Bensars on September 23, 2009, 03:14:28 PM
This thread is class.
Fearon and the gang trying to justify ( or seek comfort from those who may agree ) a claim of dominance for a team that it is widely accepted to have totally underachieved, in a time that its county management selection process is the laughing stock of the entire country.
Keep er up lads. Havent laughed as much in along time.
Really?
Some one tell that poor lad a few jokes.
The favourite for the Armagh man job is a Down man :D :D :D :D :D :D
Quote from: T Fearon on September 23, 2009, 03:21:59 PM
PS For slow learners the top GAA county is not defined by your County senior team's abiliyy to reach an All Ireland final every three years and win it, through the back door, whilst doing fcuk all of note, in between times ;D
Doesn't that defunk your two in a row appearances to the AI Final then? After all one of them was via the backdoor? ;)
who ate all the pies? who ate all the pies? you did you fat b.........!, you ate all the pies :P
answers on a postcard please
I love this picture :D :D :D
(http://www.sportingvisions.com/imgdir/78474743/geez.jpg)
Quote from: botman on September 23, 2009, 03:42:31 PM
I love this picture :D :D :D
(http://www.sportingvisions.com/imgdir/78474743/geez.jpg)
Is this a caption contest...
"They'll not be laughing when I win my second All Ireland... with Kildare'
Maybe he's saying. "Ye'll not be laffing when Paddy Heaney reckons we're Ulster team of the decade......."
QuoteIn terms of Championship head to head meetings from 2000 onwards, Tyrone and Armagh have met 9 times, Tyrone have four wins, Armagh three and there have been two draws. Therefore in terms of senior team meetings alone in the Championship Tyrone's advantage over Armagh is marginal and attributable wholly to biased refereeing in the 2003 AI Final and 2005 AI semi final. Case rested
Tyrone have won more of the head to heads - fact. It would have been more if the referee didn't decide to give Armagh the 2005 Ulster final replay.
QuoteOn the contrary, the humour is provided by Tyronies who have been presented in a reputable paper by a reputable GAA journalist with concrete evidence which proves that far from being the team of the decade, they are not even the top GAA county in Ulster currently.
What concrete evidence? All the evidence clearly points to Tyrone being the number 1 county in Ulster.
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 24, 2009, 09:52:53 AM
What concrete evidence? All the evidence clearly points to Tyrone being the number 1 county in Ulster.
Even in Scór, even if it pains me to say it.
If a county can manage to get most of the small things right, they will also get the big things right.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 24, 2009, 11:56:59 AM
For how long must this point be laboured? Taking into account respective geographical size, fan base etc, Armagh's achievements far outweigh Tyrone, even in the last decade, and as Heaney says the evidence clearly shows that Tyrone are under achievers. You simply can't measure it on All Ireland senior titles alone.
(http://www.igourmet.com/images/landing/cheese.jpg)
A little something to go with your whine.
Correct tony you measure it in senior, minor, u21 titles won. 26 beats 15. Case closed.
this is a pointless arguement, tyrone are the best team bar Kerry of thid decade. Armagh would probably come third but wouldn't be close to tyrone or kerry. Armagh have gone backwards since the match when Joe took off Geezer end of.
Quotetyrone are the best team bar Kerry of thid decade. Armagh would probably come third but wouldn't be close to tyrone or kerry.
Armagh is indeed third. However as two of Tyrone's title were won by a kick of the ball more than Armagh there is not a huge gap between them. Kerry are a long way ahead of either.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 24, 2009, 12:56:57 PM
Factor in also the age difference between both sides. Had Armagh enjoyed a similar ae profile to Tyrone (in other words had Mc Geeney, Marsden, Mc Conville etc been entering their prime in 2002 - 2003), I believe Tyrone wouldn't have won one All Ireland.
So why didn't Armagh win more when McGeeney, Marsden, McConville etc were in their prime?
Quote from: ziggysego on September 24, 2009, 12:58:38 PM
So why didn't Armagh win more when McGeeney, Marsden, McConville etc were in their prime?
Cos they were sh*te. ;)
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 24, 2009, 01:00:18 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on September 24, 2009, 12:58:38 PM
So why didn't Armagh win more when McGeeney, Marsden, McConville etc were in their prime?
Cos they were sh*te. ;)
:D :D
I think there was a lot of merit in the article. While Armagh should definetly have achieved at least 2 all irelands, i thought their best chance & at their peak they were very unlucky to be pipped by tyrone in the semi final.
That said for a county with the playing population of say louth, wicklow or roscommon to be amongst the big boys for a period of 6-7 years was a huge achievement. Couple that with the U21, minor, NFL, Cross' all irelands & all the ulster titles it definelty marks a golden period in the counties history. Its amazing what a minor win can do for county morale, i definetly see a few of those lads progressing to senior & with the county championship now more open, i expect to see a few lads emerge & break into the county ranks. The next 2-3 years will be crucial for the future, which is why the choice of the next senior manager is vitally important.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 24, 2009, 01:02:58 PM
Very original.
They still showed Tyrone how to win a first All Ireland all the same, and how to beat Kerry ;)
We showed Armagh how to win more than one. They didn't understand.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 24, 2009, 12:34:54 PM
Quotetyrone are the best team bar Kerry of thid decade. Armagh would probably come third but wouldn't be close to tyrone or kerry.
Armagh is indeed third. However as two of Tyrone's title were won by a kick of the ball more than Armagh there is not a huge gap between them. Kerry are a long way ahead of either.
If you take the Armagh argument, that the All Ireland titles alone don't count, on what basis are Armagh third?
QuoteIf you take the Armagh argument, that the All Ireland titles alone don't count, on what basis are Armagh third?
Record number of Ulster wins in a province which actually has a championship worthy of the name.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 24, 2009, 01:16:55 PM
QuoteIf you take the Armagh argument, that the All Ireland titles alone don't count, on what basis are Armagh third?
Record number of Ulster wins in a province which actually has a championship worthy of the name.
Jesus wept, get your head out of your own arse
Quote from: armaghniac on September 24, 2009, 01:16:55 PM
QuoteIf you take the Armagh argument, that the All Ireland titles alone don't count, on what basis are Armagh third?
Record number of Ulster wins in a province which actually has a championship worthy of the name.
really?what record?
Lately people have been calling Cork chokers and before that Mayo, but surely Armagh are the greatest chokers of them all. All those Ulster titles over a 10 year period and only 1 solitary All Ireland to show for it. And lets be honest Kerry left that one behind them. Armaghs golden generation have come and gone and their likes will never be seen again but they really have very little to show for what was a dominant period in Ulster. The only record they have is the number of losses in an All Ireland Final, not a record anyone would be proud of.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 24, 2009, 01:16:55 PM
QuoteIf you take the Armagh argument, that the All Ireland titles alone don't count, on what basis are Armagh third?
Record number of Ulster wins in a province which actually has a championship worthy of the name.
:D :D :D :D :D Since football was reinvented ?
Think you're forgetting Cavan with 39
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 24, 2009, 01:27:11 PM
Lately people have been calling Cork chokers and before that Mayo, but surely Armagh are the greatest chokers of them all. All those Ulster titles over a 10 year period and only 1 solitary All Ireland to show for it. And lets be honest Kerry left that one behind them. Armaghs golden generation have come and gone and their likes will never be seen again but they really have very little to show for what was a dominant period in Ulster. The only record they have is the number of losses in an All Ireland Final, not a record anyone would be proud of.
What record is that? Or are you just talking nonsense as usual?
Has another Ulster team lost as many All Ireland finals as Armagh? They lost one in the 1950s, though I dont know the exact year, then 1977 which at the time was the biggest defeat ever in a final, then they lost to Tyrone in 2003. Have I missed any?
Losing All Ireland finals is not something we would know much about ;)
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 24, 2009, 03:18:06 PM
Has another Ulster team lost as many All Ireland finals as Armagh? They lost one in the 1950s, though I dont know the exact year, then 1977 which at the time was the biggest defeat ever in a final, then they lost to Tyrone in 2003. Have I missed any?
Losing All Ireland finals is not something we would know much about ;)
Yes.
?
QuoteJesus wept, get your head out of your own arse
Charming response to a reasonable answer to your question. What do you expect?
QuoteThe only record they have is the number of losses in an All Ireland Final, not a record anyone would be proud of.
This record we do not hold. Try Mayo.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on September 24, 2009, 03:23:25 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 24, 2009, 03:18:06 PM
Has another Ulster team lost as many All Ireland finals as Armagh? They lost one in the 1950s, though I dont know the exact year, then 1977 which at the time was the biggest defeat ever in a final, then they lost to Tyrone in 2003. Have I missed any?
Losing All Ireland finals is not something we would know much about ;)
Yes.
Would you like me to spell out
ULSTER in foot high letters? It was you who highlighted that part of the quote in the first place.
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 24, 2009, 03:29:46 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on September 24, 2009, 03:23:25 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 24, 2009, 03:18:06 PM
Has another Ulster team lost as many All Ireland finals as Armagh? They lost one in the 1950s, though I dont know the exact year, then 1977 which at the time was the biggest defeat ever in a final, then they lost to Tyrone in 2003. Have I missed any?
Losing All Ireland finals is not something we would know much about ;)
Yes.
Would you like me to spell out ULSTER in foot high letters? It was you who highlighted that part of the quote in the first place.
Cavan in whatever high letters you would like lost finals in 28 37 43 45 and in 49 - that plus the fact they won 5 would prove that they are the most successful Ulster county of all time.
Quote from: man in black on September 24, 2009, 04:02:41 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 24, 2009, 03:29:46 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on September 24, 2009, 03:23:25 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 24, 2009, 03:18:06 PM
Has another Ulster team lost as many All Ireland finals as Armagh? They lost one in the 1950s, though I dont know the exact year, then 1977 which at the time was the biggest defeat ever in a final, then they lost to Tyrone in 2003. Have I missed any?
Losing All Ireland finals is not something we would know much about ;)
Yes.
Would you like me to spell out ULSTER in foot high letters? It was you who highlighted that part of the quote in the first place.
Cavan in whatever high letters you would like lost finals in 28 37 43 45 and in 49 - that plus the fact they won 5 would prove that they are the most successful Ulster county of all time.
Thank you Mr Cash. :)
I think a 100% record would indeed prove that Down are the most sucessful Ulster county.
QuoteI think a 100% record would indeed prove that Down are the most sucessful Ulster county.
Yes. Down were indeed the county of the decade in the 1960s.
Cavan have won the same amount of All Ireland titles as Down.
Cavan have reached more All Ireland finals than Down.
Cavan have won more Ulster titles than Down.
Down are a more successful county than Cavan.
Interesting logic.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 24, 2009, 04:23:05 PM
QuoteI think a 100% record would indeed prove that Down are the most sucessful Ulster county.
Yes. Down were indeed the county of the decade in the 1960s.
That was actually Galway.
QuoteThat was actually Galway.
Now now TAM, Mr Huaire will be on pointing out that he means ULSTER.
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 24, 2009, 04:15:27 PM
I think a 100% record would indeed prove that Down are the most sucessful Ulster county.
By that logic Donegal share that honour.
5 is always greater than 1, as everyone in Armagh already knows. :)
QuoteFactor in also the age difference between both sides. Had Armagh enjoyed a similar ae profile to Tyrone (in other words had Mc Geeney, Marsden, Mc Conville etc been entering their prime in 2002 - 2003), I believe Tyrone wouldn't have won one All Ireland.
What happened to the above players during their prime? How did they not win more?
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 24, 2009, 05:20:10 PM
5 is always greater than 1, as everyone in Armagh already knows. :)
Do you understand percentages ?
Quote from: man in black on September 25, 2009, 09:27:46 AM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 24, 2009, 05:20:10 PM
5 is always greater than 1, as everyone in Armagh already knows. :)
Do you understand percentages ?
MIB 79% of people understand them. 19% don't and 5% arent sure what they are.
Quote from: SidelineKick on September 25, 2009, 11:33:04 AM
Quote from: man in black on September 25, 2009, 09:27:46 AM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 24, 2009, 05:20:10 PM
5 is always greater than 1, as everyone in Armagh already knows. :)
Do you understand percentages ?
MIB 79% of people understand them. 19% don't and 5% arent sure what they are.
And what about the rest ? :)
County of the decade is Kerry
Second Tyrone
Third Armagh.
End of story. Armagh should have won more, did more to enhance the professional athletism of the sport than any other county in the history of the GAA, but still sadly only have one senior Al-Ireland to show for it. Then again on the up side, over the last decade Armagh have been one of the teams to be in the counting / to be reckoned with, even when in a period of transition, and I truely believe this will continue for many years to come; compare this with us in the 80's, so maybe we have made the greatest leaps and bounds in the country
Quote from: BerfArmagh on September 24, 2009, 01:03:05 PM
I think there was a lot of merit in the article. While Armagh should definetly have achieved at least 2 all irelands, i thought their best chance & at their peak they were very unlucky to be pipped by tyrone in the semi final.
I wouldnt actually agree with that. For me Armagh did not have the same number of genuine class footballers as other All-Ireland winning counties this decade and actually over achieved in winning 1 All-Ireland and reaching the latter stages of the championship on a few other occasions. Id agree they were somewhat unlucky in the 2005 semi-final defeat against Tyrone but at the same time they had enjoyed great fortune in the other two championship matches between the two counties that summer having been outplayed on both occasions. As they were in 2003 when the 3 point margin of defeat really flattered Armagh. 2004 was probably their best chance for a second Sam and they totally blew it. Fair play to them, knuckled down and achieved the team of the decade accolade :D
Its all rather irrelevant anyway, we should have spent the last 8 pages laughing at Heaney's daft article about Kerry being finished, the kind of predicition that anybody with half a clue about GAA would never have made. Least he was a bit more clever with this latest effort which has succesfully deflected attention away from him.
Cannot agree with that at all. Genuine class footballers? That Cross/Armagh period of 99-05 had class footballers hanging out of them. Kernan was not the man to achieve what they should've. They were actually extremely lucky in 02, but from 01-05 they could've and should've contested all finals - they were that good.
Quote from: ONeill on September 25, 2009, 11:59:54 PM
Cannot agree with that at all. Genuine class footballers? That Cross/Armagh period of 99-05 had class footballers hanging out of them. Kernan was not the man to achieve what they should've. They were actually extremely lucky in 02, but from 01-05 they could've and should've contested all finals - they were that good.
I agree. I think that Armagh team had at least 3 AIs in them but...
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 26, 2009, 10:50:48 AM
Quote from: ONeill on September 25, 2009, 11:59:54 PM
Cannot agree with that at all. Genuine class footballers? That Cross/Armagh period of 99-05 had class footballers hanging out of them. Kernan was not the man to achieve what they should've. They were actually extremely lucky in 02, but from 01-05 they could've and should've contested all finals - they were that good.
I agree. I think that Armagh team had at least 3 AIs in them but...
... they didn't.
Tyrone could have won more but they didn't. Mayo should have won some but they didn't. Dublin should have won more but they didn't etc etc.
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on September 26, 2009, 12:17:44 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 26, 2009, 10:50:48 AM
Quote from: ONeill on September 25, 2009, 11:59:54 PM
Cannot agree with that at all. Genuine class footballers? That Cross/Armagh period of 99-05 had class footballers hanging out of them. Kernan was not the man to achieve what they should've. They were actually extremely lucky in 02, but from 01-05 they could've and should've contested all finals - they were that good.
I agree. I think that Armagh team had at least 3 AIs in them but...
... they didn't.
Tyrone could have won more but they didn't. Mayo should have won some but they didn't. Dublin should have won more but they didn't etc etc.
Could you be any more childish? ::)
Try not to interrupt when adults are having a conversation please, there's a good boy
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 26, 2009, 01:05:18 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on September 26, 2009, 12:17:44 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 26, 2009, 10:50:48 AM
Quote from: ONeill on September 25, 2009, 11:59:54 PM
Cannot agree with that at all. Genuine class footballers? That Cross/Armagh period of 99-05 had class footballers hanging out of them. Kernan was not the man to achieve what they should've. They were actually extremely lucky in 02, but from 01-05 they could've and should've contested all finals - they were that good.
I agree. I think that Armagh team had at least 3 AIs in them but...
... they didn't.
Tyrone could have won more but they didn't. Mayo should have won some but they didn't. Dublin should have won more but they didn't etc etc.
Could you be any more childish? ::)
Try not to interrupt when adults are having a conversation please, there's a good boy
So what's different to what you said and what I said? There's no doubting that Armagh had the squad to win more All-Irelands, just like other teams had good squads. It just doesn't give them a divine right to win an All-Ireland. So what years do you think that Armagh should have won their other All-Irelands?
QuoteCounty of the decade is Kerry
Second Tyrone
Third Armagh.
Cork & Galway would have as much right to claim 3rd as Armagh.
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on September 26, 2009, 01:31:15 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 26, 2009, 01:05:18 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on September 26, 2009, 12:17:44 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 26, 2009, 10:50:48 AM
Quote from: ONeill on September 25, 2009, 11:59:54 PM
Cannot agree with that at all. Genuine class footballers? That Cross/Armagh period of 99-05 had class footballers hanging out of them. Kernan was not the man to achieve what they should've. They were actually extremely lucky in 02, but from 01-05 they could've and should've contested all finals - they were that good.
I agree. I think that Armagh team had at least 3 AIs in them but...
... they didn't.
Tyrone could have won more but they didn't. Mayo should have won some but they didn't. Dublin should have won more but they didn't etc etc.
Could you be any more childish? ::)
Try not to interrupt when adults are having a conversation please, there's a good boy
So what's different to what you said and what I said? There's no doubting that Armagh had the squad to win more All-Irelands, just like other teams had good squads. It just doesn't give them a divine right to win an All-Ireland. So what years do you think that Armagh should have won their other All-Irelands?
I was agreeing with ONeill, if you can recall.
Anyway, 2001, 2003, 2004 and 2005 - you could look at any of those years and say 'if this or if that...'
Bad decisions on the line, unlucky bounces of the ball (so to speak) and the odd stupid mistake cost us potential AIs those years, imo
The point ONeill made was that Joe Kernan wasn't the man to get the best out of that squad of players - it would be my opinion that JK reaped what the 2 Brians had sowed, got lucky then screwed up another few AIs
Catch yourself on man!
2004 fermanagh beat that armagh side. If buts and maybes could be applied to many teams. Undoubtedly a talented squad but a team ethic of hard work and grinding out results. Never blew many teams away and the danger is always that if the oppisition is within touching distance they can steal it.
Im not disputing it was a talented squad and brought a much more professional approach in regards of preparation into the game but to cite the list of years above , you're losing the run of yourself !
QuoteAnyway, 2001, 2003, 2004 and 2005 - you could look at any of those years and say 'if this or if that...'
And you can add 2000 to that list, when we took the eventual AI champions to extra time in a replay. We may have had a little bit of luck in 2002, but with any luck we might have won in 2000 instead of Kerry.
JK clearly benefitted from the good work previously, and the arrival of Ronan Clarke in the team give them that little bit extra in the forward division. But Armagh did keep in contention from 2002-2005, Galway the champs in 2001 didn't and Dublin who we beat by point in 2002 didn't push on either. 2004 is the one that really got away.
Quote from: Bensars on September 26, 2009, 02:24:32 PM
Catch yourself on man!
2004 fermanagh beat that armagh side. If buts and maybes could be applied to many teams. Undoubtedly a talented squad but a team ethic of hard work and grinding out results. Never blew many teams away and the danger is always that if the oppisition is within touching distance they can steal it.
Im not disputing it was a talented squad and brought a much more professional approach in regards of preparation into the game but to cite the list of years above , you're losing the run of yourself !
It's not even worth trying to debate with you
I always felt 2000 was the one we really blew, had Kerry beat all over the field, particularly in the first game.
I tend to find that when people from outside the county try to analyse our success this decade they frequently overlook the fact that we were challenging for AIs a couple of years before 2002. In fact, in each of the three years previous to our own win we went down narrowly to the eventual champions, twice at the semi-final stage.
Anyways, I'm confident that the next decade will put to bed some of the frustrations of those near misses.
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 26, 2009, 04:40:10 PM
Quote from: Bensars on September 26, 2009, 02:24:32 PM
Catch yourself on man!
2004 fermanagh beat that armagh side. If buts and maybes could be applied to many teams. Undoubtedly a talented squad but a team ethic of hard work and grinding out results. Never blew many teams away and the danger is always that if the oppisition is within touching distance they can steal it.
Im not disputing it was a talented squad and brought a much more professional approach in regards of preparation into the game but to cite the list of years above , you're losing the run of yourself !
It's not even worth trying to debate with you
I agree, it's difficult when your neighbours have completely outdone you. Don't go there ;)
Quote from: armaghniac on September 24, 2009, 03:27:57 PM
QuoteJesus wept, get your head out of your own arse
Charming response to a reasonable answer to your question. What do you expect?
QuoteThe only record they have is the number of losses in an All Ireland Final, not a record anyone would be proud of.
This record we do not hold. Try Mayo.
Cork & Galway have lost far more Senior All-Irelands than Mayo.
Kerry are team of the decade. Armagh were simply only good enough for 1 AI.
Enough of this "what if" carry on. Great teams win more than 1 AI.....Fact
Over the past decade Armagh have won senior, minor and u-21 All Irelands and on top of that a handful of club all Irelands.
Armagh can say that they have won an All Ireland at club and county level...Has any club in Tyrone done this?
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on September 27, 2009, 08:22:25 PM
Over the past decade Armagh have won senior, minor and u-21 All Irelands and on top of that a handful of club all Irelands.
Armagh can say that they have won an All Ireland at club and county level...Has any club in Tyrone done this?
Where's Ziggy when you need him?
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 26, 2009, 11:00:43 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 24, 2009, 03:27:57 PM
QuoteJesus wept, get your head out of your own arse
Charming response to a reasonable answer to your question. What do you expect?
QuoteThe only record they have is the number of losses in an All Ireland Final, not a record anyone would be proud of.
This record we do not hold. Try Mayo.
Cork & Galway have lost far more Senior All-Irelands than Mayo.
I think he was going on percentages though. 3 wins out of 12 finals is a poor return when you think of it.
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on September 27, 2009, 08:22:25 PM
Over the past decade Armagh have won senior, minor and u-21 All Irelands and on top of that a handful of club all Irelands.
Armagh can say that they have won an All Ireland at club and county level...Has any club in Tyrone done this?
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
GREENCASTLE!!!!
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on September 27, 2009, 08:22:25 PM
Over the past decade Armagh have won senior, minor and u-21 All Irelands and on top of that a handful of club all Irelands.
Armagh can say that they have won an All Ireland at club and county level...Has any club in Tyrone done this?
Since when were county's allowed to play in club championships, or since when did Armagh let a club represent them?
Armagh did it all within a decade.
There is no doubting that Tyrone have done better at county level than Armagh but overall in football Armagh have done much much better than Tyrone.
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on September 27, 2009, 10:12:38 PM
Armagh did it all within a decade.
There is no doubting that Tyrone have done better at county level than Armagh but overall in football Armagh have done much much better than Tyrone.
Crossmaglen did well, yes.
Armagh might sneak into the top 5 teams of the decade -
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 26, 2009, 11:00:43 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 24, 2009, 03:27:57 PM
QuoteJesus wept, get your head out of your own arse
Charming response to a reasonable answer to your question. What do you expect?
QuoteThe only record they have is the number of losses in an All Ireland Final, not a record anyone would be proud of.
This record we do not hold. Try Mayo.
Cork & Galway have lost far more Senior All-Irelands than Mayo.
We also manage to win a few though. ;D
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 28, 2009, 12:03:05 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 26, 2009, 11:00:43 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 24, 2009, 03:27:57 PM
QuoteJesus wept, get your head out of your own arse
Charming response to a reasonable answer to your question. What do you expect?
QuoteThe only record they have is the number of losses in an All Ireland Final, not a record anyone would be proud of.
This record we do not hold. Try Mayo.
Cork & Galway have lost far more Senior All-Irelands than Mayo.
We also manage to win a few though. ;D
Can't wait to meet ye in a Senior All-Ireland Final in Croke Park, to continue our 100% record over the Heron Chokers in Croker ;D
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 28, 2009, 01:31:14 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 28, 2009, 12:03:05 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 26, 2009, 11:00:43 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 24, 2009, 03:27:57 PM
QuoteJesus wept, get your head out of your own arse
Charming response to a reasonable answer to your question. What do you expect?
QuoteThe only record they have is the number of losses in an All Ireland Final, not a record anyone would be proud of.
This record we do not hold. Try Mayo.
Cork & Galway have lost far more Senior All-Irelands than Mayo.
We also manage to win a few though. ;D
Can't wait to meet ye in a Senior All-Ireland Final in Croke Park, to continue our 100% record over the Heron Chokers in Croker ;D
Not sure God can help you, maybe a shrink would be more realistic..youve just won worst comeback of the year award though.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on September 28, 2009, 11:20:10 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 28, 2009, 01:31:14 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 28, 2009, 12:03:05 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 26, 2009, 11:00:43 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 24, 2009, 03:27:57 PM
QuoteJesus wept, get your head out of your own arse
Charming response to a reasonable answer to your question. What do you expect?
QuoteThe only record they have is the number of losses in an All Ireland Final, not a record anyone would be proud of.
This record we do not hold. Try Mayo.
Cork & Galway have lost far more Senior All-Irelands than Mayo.
We also manage to win a few though. ;D
Can't wait to meet ye in a Senior All-Ireland Final in Croke Park, to continue our 100% record over the Heron Chokers in Croker ;D
Not sure God can help you, maybe a shrink would be more realistic..youve just won worst comeback of the year award though.
Nah that would go to Bernard Dunne