Tyrone attacker Tommy McGuigan may be facing a four-week ban following an incident involving Derry's Sean Marty Lockhart during last Saturday's NFL clash at Omagh.
The Central Competitions Control Committee met on Tuesday to review evidence of the incident, and are expected to propose a four-week suspension for the Ardboe clubman, which would rule him out of Sunday week's final round NFL Division 1 game against Mayo. If that happened, McGuigan would have the option of appealing to the Central Hearings Committee.
April Fool's are supposed to be done before noon. Any after, makes you the fool.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=109349
The question is whether or not Tyrone will accept punishment if it is deemed necessary by CCCC. Let the games begin again ::)
Oopsie. I do apologise Oakleafer93
Quote from: ziggysego on April 01, 2009, 11:23:05 PM
April Fool's are supposed to be done before noon. Any after, makes you the fool.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=109349 (http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=109349)
Its true so jokes on you.
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on April 01, 2009, 11:29:16 PM
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=109349
The question is whether or not Tyrone will accept punishment if it is deemed necessary by CCCC. Let the games begin again ::)
I think Mc Guigan only deserves 4 weeks, but in comparison to Ricey's incident they were both along the same lines so the CCCC doesn't really have any other option than to give him 8 weeks or they will have alot of explaining to do over Ricey's ban.
Also, if he is banned, it shouldn't be a length ban it should be a match ban as if it's 4 weeks he will only miss one match.
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 01, 2009, 11:30:30 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on April 01, 2009, 11:23:05 PM
April Fool's are supposed to be done before noon. Any after, makes you the fool.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=109349 (http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=109349)
Its true so jokes on you.
Well you really should supply source material. Otherwises hardstation will think the news came directly from you ;)
Quote from: ziggysego on April 01, 2009, 11:32:33 PM
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 01, 2009, 11:30:30 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on April 01, 2009, 11:23:05 PM
April Fool's are supposed to be done before noon. Any after, makes you the fool.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=109349 (http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=109349)
Its true so jokes on you.
Well you really should supply source material. Otherwises hardstation will think the news came directly from you ;)
Sorry, I'm new to this place!
I'm only messing Oakleafer, don't worry ;)
Shush hardstation
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 01, 2009, 11:20:43 PM
Tyrone attacker Tommy McGuigan may be facing a four-week ban following an incident involving Derry's Sean Marty Lockhart during last Saturday's NFL clash at Omagh.
The Central Competitions Control Committee met on Tuesday to review evidence of the incident, and are expected to propose a four-week suspension for the Ardboe clubman, which would rule him out of Sunday week's final round NFL Division 1 game against Mayo. If that happened, McGuigan would have the option of appealing to the Central Hearings Committee.
i don't think its happen yet oak
Selective video evidence again !!
I might get castigated for this after the stance I took on McMenamin's incident but I think McGuigan should only get the 4 week ban. His was not pre meditated and was more of a lashing out whereas Ricey was completely calm and walked over to Galvin to purposely squeeze his balls. I think Ricey's 8 weeks are completely justified and if McGuigan gets 4 then that's fair enough.
Why don't we just have a citing commissioner at every match ala rugby and then we can catch everybody who steps over the line ??
Quote from: orangeman on April 02, 2009, 12:07:34 AM
Why don't we just have a citing commissioner at every match ala rugby and then we can catch everybody who steps over the line ??
I agree, linesmen have no balls to tell the referee what happened for fear of backlash from the crowd.
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 02, 2009, 12:09:26 AM
Quote from: orangeman on April 02, 2009, 12:07:34 AM
Why don't we just have a citing commissioner at every match ala rugby and then we can catch everybody who steps over the line ??
I agree, linesmen have no balls to tell the referee what happened for fear of backlash from the crowd.
First Ricey gropes them, then Tommy knees them... I knew it. It was only a matter of time until this behaviour escalated. Once they've the confidence up after the linesmen they'll be castrating Referees as well... dirty Tyrone baxtards!!
Freud would have a paper about this. Why Tyrone s obsession with testicles - other peoples? Is it some subconcious castration anxiety? They re obviously anxious to castrate somebody else. Speculation about length of suspension is besides the point. They have to accept what they get. To appeal after getting caught doing that would be embarrassing.
Stop talking bollocks
another low down act by a Tyrone player. The level of thuggery that this one team has introduced to Gaelic games is shameful. Mickey Harte is single handedly turning Gaelic football into a bigger thugfest than those international rules that he keeps blathering about. Bloody hypocrite.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on April 02, 2009, 01:38:49 AM
another low down act by a Tyrone player. The level of thuggery that this one team has introduced to Gaelic games is shameful. Mickey Harte is single handedly turning Gaelic football into a bigger thugfest than those international rules that he keeps blathering about. Bloody hypocrite.
The hypocrisy is something else isn't it!
I see MH is in the Irish News today complaining about trial my media...
Trying to get the us-against-them attitude going i suppose ::)
Did the ref not give him a black 'card' for the incident at the time? Does the GAA not have the same rule as in soccer where when an incident is dealt with at the time it can't be revisited?
no seemly they can revisit the incident if the ref admits he made a mistake and did not deal with it properly at the time
mostly this rule only applies to northern teams
If you can't do the time...
That is the rule. If the ref dealt with it, nothing more can be done unless it's regarding something he missed. Ie, if he got the black card for something else.
Quote from: AFS on April 02, 2009, 10:37:12 AM
Did the ref not give him a black 'card' for the incident at the time? Does the GAA not have the same rule as in soccer where when an incident is dealt with at the time it can't be revisited?
I think the incident is more if the ref gave a card what was it for, because what Tommy did was a straigh red so it was wrong implementation of the rules by the referee. So he either saw nothing or saw something and obviously saw something...
I thought by the thread title that some gaelgoir was inferring that Tommy was a tranny! :o
This is scandalous stuff by the disciplinary guys. Why they revisit games after they take place and the hands are shaken after the game is scandalous. When they take these cases then these cases need defending, and it becomes a different game to the game in trhe first place. The ref dealt with it and nobody got killed, it should be left at that. It seems there are those within the GAA who want to videoreferee our games week by week. They are destroying our games by inviting these post game to joust in these off the field battles and subsequently substantially undermining the referee.
rrhf I have asked it several times and I have yet to get an opinion, why did the ref tick him? If he seen the knee it was a red, if he didnt its nothing. Nothing he did warranted a tick.
Its a coincidence that its another Tyrone player (and even more so it was against Derry) but we can't keep letting stuff like this go on and no punishment. The authorities are trying to stamp this kind of thing out and its this type of behaviour that is destroying our games, not those who hand out the punishments.
Invariably the bigger teams are the ones to suffer as a result since their gamea re the ones televised.
Still no word about Ciaran McKeever allegedly jumping the fence to punch a man's lights out then sneaking back over again to his seat. Indiscipline needs to be investigated whether incidents are televised or not.
Quote from: under the bar on April 02, 2009, 11:40:59 AM
Invariably the bigger teams are the ones to suffer as a result since their gamea re the ones televised.
Still no word about Ciaran McKeever allegedly jumping the fence to punch a man's lights out then sneaking back over again to his seat. Indiscipline needs to be investigated whether incidents are televised or not.
Totally agree, its just unfortunate that video evidence makes it easier for certain teams.
But the referee dealt with this and now he is being overruled and nobody got killed. In the Tyrone championship they video each game by their own people so they are consistent. At national level they apparently leave it to the whims of TG4 to see what level of discipline enforcement will be used. ifa nobody from Armagh bates a man to pulp in, the Tyrone man gets it for a bit of a "knees up" because hes more famous and on TV more often.
Quote from: rrhf on April 02, 2009, 11:53:02 AM
But the referee dealt with this and now he is being overruled and nobody got killed. In the Tyrone championship they video each game by their own people so they are consistent. At national level they apparently leave it to the whims of TG4 to see what level of discipline enforcement will be used. if there was a man bate to pulp in Armagh, the Tyrone man gets it because hes more famous and on TV more often.
Well give me the spotlight any day.
Thats the 2nd time you've said "nobody got killed". What exactly do you feel needs to happen for a punishment to be handed out?
Quote from: rrhf on April 02, 2009, 11:53:02 AM
But the referee dealt with this and now he is being overruled and nobody got killed. In the Tyrone championship they video each game by their own people so they are consistent. At national level they apparently leave it to the whims of TG4 to see what level of discipline enforcement will be used. if there was a man bate to pulp in Armagh, the Tyrone man gets it because hes more famous and on TV more often.
Ah well then, if nobody got killed what the fcuk are they crying about :o
Listen Sean Marty hurt more men uinfairly during that game than Tommy so what Tommy done was probably fair game within the context of the dual. It was harmless they shook hands and laughed about it after. If there was TV in Armagh the athletic grounds would be closed. Is there any history of crowd troubles with the culprits?
Quote from: rrhf on April 02, 2009, 11:58:02 AM
Listen Sean Marty hurt more men uinfairly during that game than Tommy so what Tommy done was fair game as far as I could see.
:D
You are some tool
Tommy Mc Guigan, the saviour of all people.
Is he the modern day version of the A-Team?
If you have a problem, if no-one else can help, maybe you can hire Tommy Mac.................De De de de, diddy de........
What does it matter if they shook hands? They don't implement the rules.
You are one twit saying its fair game, I would guess its people like you that turn handbags at dawn into a full scale brawl.
Would some sage like to explain to those of us who haven't seen it what McGuigan did?
How long do Armagh folk think that Cantona could get? Could he miss the Tyrone game?
You could do well to hold your council on this one sideline kick, on the Francie Bellew thread you are literally blowing smoke up his arse - Is it too much to expect a little consistency please even though Tommy is fromTyrone.
If the authorities are going to use TV for what are essentially minor incidents then they need to be consistent. Can anyone explain why Rory Woods was not brought before the CCCC when it was clearly caught on TV him kicking a Kildare player lying on the ground? I agree that it was not a hard kick and more of a jab to get the player to get up again , but by definition it was kicking and technically deserved a ban. I don't think it did, but if the CCCC are going to review situations they need to apply it fairly accross all games/teams and not be selective in their punishment.
P.S. I have not condoned what McGuigan did and agree that if a ban is issued it is waranted, but i do feel that the incident was addressed by the referee at the time and that should be the end of the matter.
at last someone with a bit of sense on the subject.
What did McGuigan do?
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on April 02, 2009, 12:37:41 PM
Quote from: The GAA on April 02, 2009, 12:33:18 PM
What did McGuigan do?
he kneed SM lockhart in the privates....anyone who is trying to defend this behaviour is despicable
Sure its ok, he didnt kill anybody ::)
air enough. 4 weeks then.
end of story.
Quote from: The GAA on April 02, 2009, 12:44:31 PM
air enough. 4 weeks then.
end of story.
Not if you are a yap from Tyrone
Golfs an easy sport to play after a lesson or 2.
Quote from: rrhf on April 02, 2009, 01:13:36 PM
Go learn how to spell your name ye mouth and Ill stop yapping.
I apologise for name-calling
ye spelt that right ye must have learned that one off by heart.
Quote from: rrhf on April 02, 2009, 01:15:37 PM
ye spelt that right ye must have learned that one off by heart.
My moniker is spelt correctly.
That Armagh team is developing well for the time of year.
Quote from: full back on April 02, 2009, 12:01:27 PM
If you have a problem, if no-one else can help, maybe you can hire Tommy Mac.................De De de de, diddy de........
:D
An Irish trad twist on the classic theme tune there FB!
(http://letterstoadyingdream.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/bitch_slap.jpg)
Tommy is not a dirty player and Sean Marty was giving him plenty of stick - I'm not trying to defend his actions but surely there has to be a consistent approach with regard to all of this video evidence stuff -
Last year Meath and Dublin played in the national league - it was on TG4 - there was a bit of a melee and very, very hefty suspensions were handed down. On the exact same day, Armagh played Cork in the national league in Crossmaglen and there was a melee but no action was taken as it wasn't on TV.
Surely the system needs changed ??
Quote from: orangeman on April 02, 2009, 01:35:52 PM
Tommy is not a dirty player and Sean Marty was giving him plenty of stick - I'm not trying to defend his actions but surely there has to be a consistent approach with regard to all of this video evidence stuff -
Last year Meath and Dublin played in the national league - it was on TG4 - there was a bit of a melee and very, very hefty suspensions were handed down. On the exact same day, Armagh played Cork in the national league in Crossmaglen and there was a melee but no action was taken as it wasn't on TV.
Surely the system needs changed ??
Or alternatively your lads could cut out the shite and behave like civilised human beings perhaps???? That way we wouldn't have to discuss these unsavoury incidents after all your games!!
Tyrone don't like 'erry teams.
Quote from: orangeman on April 02, 2009, 01:35:52 PM
Tommy is not a dirty player and Sean Marty was giving him plenty of stick - I'm not trying to defend his actions but surely there has to be a consistent approach with regard to all of this video evidence stuff -
Last year Meath and Dublin played in the national league - it was on TG4 - there was a bit of a melee and very, very hefty suspensions were handed down. On the exact same day, Armagh played Cork in the national league in Crossmaglen and there was a melee but no action was taken as it wasn't on TV.
Surely the system needs changed ??
This is a complete myth propagated by people who didn't see the incident, in order to make Dublin and Meath seem like some sort of victims. There wasn't one punch thrown in Cross that day, a few fellas (8 or 10) barging into each other (definitely not the 27 man pile in as some Dublin gutter journo tried to paint it as). It was the type of handbags incident you'll see a dozen times in this year's Championship. The attempts to compare it to the Dublin - Meath slugfest were laughable and pathetic.
Quote from: AFS on April 02, 2009, 02:24:53 PM
Quote from: orangeman on April 02, 2009, 01:35:52 PM
Tommy is not a dirty player and Sean Marty was giving him plenty of stick - I'm not trying to defend his actions but surely there has to be a consistent approach with regard to all of this video evidence stuff -
Last year Meath and Dublin played in the national league - it was on TG4 - there was a bit of a melee and very, very hefty suspensions were handed down. On the exact same day, Armagh played Cork in the national league in Crossmaglen and there was a melee but no action was taken as it wasn't on TV.
Surely the system needs changed ??
This is a complete myth propagated by people who didn't see the incident, in order to make Dublin and Meath seem like some sort of victims. There wasn't one punch thrown in Cross that day, a few fellas (8 or 10) barging into each other (definitely not the 27 man pile in as some Dublin gutter journo tried to paint it as). It was the type of handbags incident you'll see a dozen times in this year's Championship.
So how many got suspended for this "barging" into each other ?
Quote from: Tim Buzaglo on April 02, 2009, 01:47:12 PM
Quote from: orangeman on April 02, 2009, 01:35:52 PM
Tommy is not a dirty player and Sean Marty was giving him plenty of stick - I'm not trying to defend his actions but surely there has to be a consistent approach with regard to all of this video evidence stuff -
Last year Meath and Dublin played in the national league - it was on TG4 - there was a bit of a melee and very, very hefty suspensions were handed down. On the exact same day, Armagh played Cork in the national league in Crossmaglen and there was a melee but no action was taken as it wasn't on TV.
Surely the system needs changed ??
Or alternatively your lads could cut out the shite and behave like civilised human beings perhaps???? That way we wouldn't have to discuss these unsavoury incidents after all your games!!
There was a great picture in the tyrone times this week of sean marty lockhart with his knee in sean cavanaghs throat whilst cavanagh was on the ground. (lockhart with the ball in his hands too!) But sure the tyrone players were the only ones up to dirty tricks the other night. ::)
Quote from: orangeman on April 02, 2009, 02:26:59 PM
Quote from: AFS on April 02, 2009, 02:24:53 PM
Quote from: orangeman on April 02, 2009, 01:35:52 PM
Tommy is not a dirty player and Sean Marty was giving him plenty of stick - I'm not trying to defend his actions but surely there has to be a consistent approach with regard to all of this video evidence stuff -
Last year Meath and Dublin played in the national league - it was on TG4 - there was a bit of a melee and very, very hefty suspensions were handed down. On the exact same day, Armagh played Cork in the national league in Crossmaglen and there was a melee but no action was taken as it wasn't on TV.
Surely the system needs changed ??
This is a complete myth propagated by people who didn't see the incident, in order to make Dublin and Meath seem like some sort of victims. There wasn't one punch thrown in Cross that day, a few fellas (8 or 10) barging into each other (definitely not the 27 man pile in as some Dublin gutter journo tried to paint it as). It was the type of handbags incident you'll see a dozen times in this year's Championship.
So how many got suspended for this "barging" into each other ?
None. Since when do you get suspended for giving someone a nudge? If you start that half of the intercounty footballers in the country will be suspended by the middle of June.
Personally I think Ian Paisley Og's suggestion of CCTV at every GAA ground is a winner with a special PSNI dept to scrutinise the recordings following each game and if necessary the re-introduction of internment.
Quote from: AFS on April 02, 2009, 02:35:19 PM
Quote from: orangeman on April 02, 2009, 02:26:59 PM
Quote from: AFS on April 02, 2009, 02:24:53 PM
Quote from: orangeman on April 02, 2009, 01:35:52 PM
Tommy is not a dirty player and Sean Marty was giving him plenty of stick - I'm not trying to defend his actions but surely there has to be a consistent approach with regard to all of this video evidence stuff -
Last year Meath and Dublin played in the national league - it was on TG4 - there was a bit of a melee and very, very hefty suspensions were handed down. On the exact same day, Armagh played Cork in the national league in Crossmaglen and there was a melee but no action was taken as it wasn't on TV.
Surely the system needs changed ??
This is a complete myth propagated by people who didn't see the incident, in order to make Dublin and Meath seem like some sort of victims. There wasn't one punch thrown in Cross that day, a few fellas (8 or 10) barging into each other (definitely not the 27 man pile in as some Dublin gutter journo tried to paint it as). It was the type of handbags incident you'll see a dozen times in this year's Championship.
So how many got suspended for this "barging" into each other ?
None. Since when do you get suspended for giving someone a nudge? If you start that half of the intercounty footballers in the country will be suspended by the middle of June.
True - but are we going to examine EVERY single indiscretion whether it is dealt with at the time or not or are we going to simply examine those caught on camera ??
In other words, if there is no camera about is it open season ??
Basically The tyrone complaint here is that its not fair their players get caught all the time?
No it's not.
Quote from: The GAA on April 02, 2009, 04:06:02 PM
Basically The tyrone complaint here is that its not fair their players get caught all the time?
Last year Meath and Dublin played in the national league - it was on TG4 - there was a bit of a melee and very, very hefty suspensions were handed down. On the exact same day, Armagh played Cork in the national league in Crossmaglen and there was a melee but no action was taken as it wasn't on TV.
Surely the system needs changed ??
Quote from: The GAA on April 02, 2009, 04:06:02 PM
Basically The tyrone complaint here is that its not fair their players get caught all the time?
Exactly!
Quote from: orangeman on April 02, 2009, 04:07:18 PM
No it's not.
Last year Meath and Dublin played in the national league - it was on TG4 - there was a bit of a melee and very, very hefty suspensions were handed down. On the exact same day, Armagh played Cork in the national league in Crossmaglen and there was a melee but no action was taken as it wasn't on TV.
Surely the system needs changed ??
Are you saying its unfair that the dublin, meath and tyrone players were caught and suspended but the cork and armagh players were not?
Quote from: Deal_Me_In on April 02, 2009, 12:11:20 PM
If the authorities are going to use TV for what are essentially minor incidents then they need to be consistent. Can anyone explain why Rory Woods was not brought before the CCCC when it was clearly caught on TV him kicking a Kildare player lying on the ground? I agree that it was not a hard kick and more of a jab to get the player to get up again , but by definition it was kicking and technically deserved a ban. I don't think it did, but if the CCCC are going to review situations they need to apply it fairly accross all games/teams and not be selective in their punishment.
P.S. I have not condoned what McGuigan did and agree that if a ban is issued it is waranted, but i do feel that the incident was addressed by the referee at the time and that should be the end of the matter.
Completely agree.
lets either have video evidence or dont.
you can't pick when you decide to use it and when not to.if we are going to go down that road then a citing commissioner needs to review video evidence of every single inter county game and treat them all the same, not just the incidents highlighted by a pundit on the box
Quote from: rrhf on April 02, 2009, 12:04:48 PM
You could do well to hold your council on this one sideline kick, on the Francie Bellew thread you are literally blowing smoke up his arse - Is it too much to expect a little consistency please even though Tommy is fromTyrone.
Can't see where I have done this.
If you had a look through my other posts however I have already said I don't want a witch hunt and that Tommy is not that type of player usually, also that I enjoy watching him. I am getting at you for saying its fair game because Sean Marty was mouthing. By that logic most players in every team in every game should be allowed to knee McMeniman in the balls as he is never done mouthing. I also did say that in a different scenario one might say Lockhart deserved what he got as he was mouthing, but you simply cannot justify kneeing someone in the balls because of this.
Get your white and red blinkers off, this is not a Tyrone bashing thread but yet again I will ask, this must be the tenth time, why do you think Tommy was ticked? Nothing he did warranted a tick. it happened in front of me and also infront of the linesman who could not have missed it (and before you go off on one I have already said our very own Barry McGoldrick kneed Joyce in the leg, again in front of the linesman, and got away with it. He had no call to do it and should have walked.) Linesmen also need to grow a set.
Quote from: ziggysego on April 02, 2009, 01:54:15 PM
Tyrone don't like 'erry teams.
:D very good Ziggy, much like the rest of Ireland don't like 'yrone teams ;) :D
Quote from: orangeman on April 02, 2009, 04:07:18 PM
No it's not.
Quote from: The GAA on April 02, 2009, 04:06:02 PM
Basically The tyrone complaint here is that its not fair their players get caught all the time?
Last year Meath and Dublin played in the national league - it was on TG4 - there was a bit of a melee and very, very hefty suspensions were handed down. On the exact same day, Armagh played Cork in the national league in Crossmaglen and there was a melee but no action was taken as it wasn't on TV.
Surely the system needs changed ??
It's far from perfect, but with the likes of the Cork/Armagh example, it's difficult for the authorities to consider what happened (and base punishments on what happened) if they don't have any reliable (i.e. video) evidence to review.
Quote from: screenexile on April 02, 2009, 04:08:11 PM
Quote from: The GAA on April 02, 2009, 04:06:02 PM
Basically The tyrone complaint here is that its not fair their players get caught all the time?
Exactly!
I think the point we're making has been raised above. With only certain games receiving media time this trial by TV is making it an uneven playing field. I'd agree that we'd like to see these incidents stop across the board and not just in the TV games.
Quote from: supersarsfields on April 02, 2009, 04:30:26 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 02, 2009, 04:08:11 PM
Quote from: The GAA on April 02, 2009, 04:06:02 PM
Basically The tyrone complaint here is that its not fair their players get caught all the time?
Exactly!
I think the point we're making has been raised above. With only certain games receiving media time this trial by TV is making it an uneven playing field. I'd agree that we'd like to see these incidents stop across the board and not just in the TV games.
Completely agree but as I have said numerous times, if we can't stamp it out on the televised games with video evidence when can we expect to stamp it out? Its like a celebrity being caught assaulting someone because the press follow them around being compared to a down and out assaulting another person. Just because the famous person has hard evidence against them we shouldnt persue the case because no hard evidence is available for the hobo?
Quote from: rrhf on April 02, 2009, 11:53:02 AM
But the referee dealt with this and now he is being overruled and nobody got killed. In the Tyrone championship they video each game by their own people so they are consistent. At national level they apparently leave it to the whims of TG4 to see what level of discipline enforcement will be used. ifa nobody from Armagh bates a man to pulp in, the Tyrone man gets it for a bit of a "knees up" because hes more famous and on TV more often.
Maybe the standard of morals in Tyrone is just that bit lower then the rest of the country as has been displayed this year.
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 02, 2009, 04:28:18 PM
Quote from: orangeman on April 02, 2009, 04:07:18 PM
No it's not.
Quote from: The GAA on April 02, 2009, 04:06:02 PM
Basically The tyrone complaint here is that its not fair their players get caught all the time?
Last year Meath and Dublin played in the national league - it was on TG4 - there was a bit of a melee and very, very hefty suspensions were handed down. On the exact same day, Armagh played Cork in the national league in Crossmaglen and there was a melee but no action was taken as it wasn't on TV.
Surely the system needs changed ??
It's far from perfect, but with the likes of the Cork/Armagh example, it's difficult for the authorities to consider what happened (and base punishments on what happened) if they don't have any reliable (i.e. video) evidence to review.
Far from perfect, its a complete joke if Tommy McGuigan gets done. At least 3 worse incidents were caught on camera in the Monaghan game and not another word was said about it. Its always interesting to note the difference of posters reactions on here to. You know rightly if McGuigan gets done he and Ricey have been treated differently because of the county they're from.
Have quite a bit of sympathy here for Tyrone (for a change). Can't understand at all why McGuigan was hit with a ban yet two weeks ago the Monaghan goalkeeper came charging out of his goal and almost decapitated the Kildare full-forward also on TV.
It was reckless, dangerous and cowardly and pointed out on Sunday Sport. Rory Woods was also shown kicking a fella on the knee (allbeit lightly) while he was lying injured but clinging the ball and Darren Hughes soon after for dropping the knee on a player.
The keeper at the very least deserved a ban, the only reason he didn't must have been either the CCC or whoever didn't watch the highlights that night or they didn't see fit to make an example of a lesser side/player. Either way it's unfair. Either we use all TV coverage where possible to ban dangerous/dirty play or we let the ref deal with it.
Yet again it's not the refs, rules and regulations but the inconsistencies that are the really infuriating thing here.
The current system of discilpinary procedure in the GAA seems to be left to the referee.
In some cases, IF there's a camera around, some parts of the GAA will go back and look at video evidence and suspend a player AFTER the game even ( in this case ) where the referee has taken action.
It seems that IF it's brought up in a newspaper or the Sunday Game / Sunday Sport show, then the GAA believe that for the sake of the PR machine, they need to do something.
Surely this isn't right ??
Surely we need a CONSISTENT approach across the board, eg have a panel review EVERY match and decide if the ref has dealt with all incidents fairly. It seems to work in rugby - but this ad hoc / arbitrary way we're doing it now is just making the association and its' rules look silly.
EXILED GAEL makes a very valid point about the Monaghan goalkeeper - if that wasn't a sending off / yellow card offence I don't know. The ref didn't even give a free. Rory Woods puts the boot in a player and on he goes.
Would it be to late to ban a Monaghan player? My guess is that it is. If it wasnt it wouldnt suprise me if they suspended 1 of them and made an excuse for the delay. This way they could get away with targeting McGuigan. If McGuigan gets done Tyrone should not take this lying down.
Didn't see the Monaghan instances so I won't comment on those. There is a question of consistency perhaps but that can't be used to vindicate Tommy McGuigan.
First of all Sean Marty Lockhart is no angel, he did his best to embroil Sean Cavanagh into a fight in the goalmouth (Cavanagh's composure in that situation should have been highlighted as an example of how players should rise above goading and provocation - I thought he showed real class).
Secondly I've never seen Tommy McGuigan act the pup before and he seems like a decent sort.
But you can't sink your knee into someone's groin like he did and expect to get away with it. Especially when it is completely off the ball (there is a tendency in the GAA to let players off if a tackle is bad but the ball is somewhere in the picture, not right maybe, but when there's no ball involved at all there is little enough defence - perhaps this partly explains the Monaghan incidents, and a lot of the cynical dropping of knees we've seen in recent years). He was ticked for I don't know what because if the referee saw it right, he was gone with a straight red. Four weeks is fair enough. McMenamin was potentially going to receive more because his was a bit more premeditated and he also acted the bollix after the game).
I really hope there is no appeal from Tyrone either, because the focus for Mickey Harte should not be moaning about inconsistencies, but getting his players to stop losing their discipline, it could be very costly yet in a big championship game where all the appeals in the world won't bring his team back into the race for Sam.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 02, 2009, 05:49:09 PM
Far from perfect, its a complete joke if Tommy McGuigan gets done. At least 3 worse incidents were caught on camera in the Monaghan game and not another word was said about it. Its always interesting to note the difference of posters reactions on here to. You know rightly if McGuigan gets done he and Ricey have been treated differently because of the county they're from.
Many would be of the opinion that a strike to the groin is more serious/undesirable than most incidents - and a pattern that has to be stopped before it becomes commonplace. Tackles in the course of play will never attract the same attention and scrutiny as such 'off the ball' incidents.
QuoteI really hope there is no appeal from Tyrone either, because the focus for Mickey Harte should not be moaning about inconsistencies, but getting his players to stop losing their discipline,
Harte tacitly supports this behavior. It happens too often to be down to the players only. They wouldnt do it if they felt they faced any censure from Harte.
Fergal Doherty was done in the Derry v Donegal Mash for lashing out with his hand, stayed on the pitch at the time and no one questioned the video trial that was to follow. If you ask the Admin maybe he could dig the thread about it out of the archives and you can see what was said about it. Fergal got 4 weeks and rightly so because the crime fits the time.
In last years league several Meath and Dublin were suspended following trial by video footage.
In last years championship, Collie Moran of Dublin, was before the CCCC, so too was Kevin Reilly of Meath, and Also Martin Cole of Down (who was subsequently banned), ironically when playing Tyrone...maybe Davey Harte 'over exaggerated it' as some are suggesting with SML... And how can we forget the most high profile story of last summer almost eclipsing Tyrone's win, one Mr Paul Galvin and the diving notebook(!) Paul Finlay, Gary Mc Quaid both suspended last year for mouthing at ref and punching respectively (note both got 8 weeks suspensions)
In a 2007 club game Paddy Bradley was suspended for 3 months for mouthing at a referee, It was used for Dublin/Tyrone brawl at Healy Park in 2006, What about 'Semplegate' a few years ago? In fact as far back as 2000 Video evidence was used in the Cavan/Sligo brawl in Markievicz Park.
Also..if you want find out why Ryan Mc Menamin got a call up to the Tyrone Panel, I couldn't possibly post for fear of getting banned but let's just say it is charming to say the least.... Reading the rest of him profile, he is a nasty piece of work to say the least. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_mcmenamin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_mcmenamin)
So it isn't just Tyrone, and also it's interesting to note the length of bans, Finlay got 8 weeks for Mouthing at the ref, Ricey was crying he got 6 weeks for a whole lot worse.
Quote from: The GAA on April 02, 2009, 04:06:02 PM
Basically The tyrone complaint here is that its not fair their players get caught all the time?
Ha ha, exactly!
When are they going to learn to leave other men's balls alone?
Welcome to gaelic football,part and parcel of the game,bet ya sean marty lockhart isnt still goin on about it so why is everyone else goin on bout it,these things happen on the field when the full time whistle goes the boys all shake hands and thats it time to get the head down and train for the next game
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 02, 2009, 07:38:53 PM
Fergal Doherty was done in the Derry v Donegal Mash for lashing out with his hand, stayed on the pitch at the time and no one questioned the video trial that was to follow. If you ask the Admin maybe he could dig the thread about it out of the archives and you can see what was said about it. Fergal got 4 weeks and rightly so because the crime fits the time.
In last years league several Meath and Dublin were suspended following trial by video footage.
In last years championship, Collie Moran of Dublin, was before the CCCC, so too was Kevin Reilly of Meath, and Also Martin Cole of Down (who was subsequently banned), ironically when playing Tyrone...maybe Davey Harte 'over exaggerated it' as some are suggesting with SML... And how can we forget the most high profile story of last summer almost eclipsing Tyrone's win, one Mr Paul Galvin and the diving notebook(!) Paul Finlay, Gary Mc Quaid both suspended last year for mouthing at ref and punching respectively (note both got 8 weeks suspensions)
In a 2007 club game Paddy Bradley was suspended for 3 months for mouthing at a referee, It was used for Dublin/Tyrone brawl at Healy Park in 2006, What about 'Semplegate' a few years ago? In fact as far back as 2000 Video evidence was used in the Cavan/Sligo brawl in Markievicz Park.
Also..if you want find out why Ryan Mc Menamin got a call up to the Tyrone Panel, I couldn't possibly post for fear of getting banned but let's just say it is charming to say the least.... Reading the rest of him profile, he is a nasty piece of work to say the least. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_mcmenamin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_mcmenamin)
So it isn't just Tyrone, and also it's interesting to note the length of bans, Finlay got 8 weeks for Mouthing at the ref, Ricey was crying he got 6 weeks for a whole lot worse.
Are you serious it might be something to do with the fact he is a very good footballer
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on April 02, 2009, 07:31:12 PM
QuoteI really hope there is no appeal from Tyrone either, because the focus for Mickey Harte should not be moaning about inconsistencies, but getting his players to stop losing their discipline,
Harte tacitly supports this behavior. It happens too often to be down to the players only. They wouldnt do it if they felt they faced any censure from Harte.
Another peach of a quote from the biggest bullsh!tter on the board
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 02, 2009, 07:38:53 PM
Also..if you want find out why Ryan Mc Menamin got a call up to the Tyrone Panel, I couldn't possibly post for fear of getting banned but let's just say it is charming to say the least.... Reading the rest of him profile, he is a nasty piece of work to say the least. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_mcmenamin[/urll] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_mcmenamin)
Jesus Christ - have you boys nothing better to be doing than going round editing Wikipedia pages with shite like that
Pathetic.
QuoteAnother peach of a quote from the biggest bullsh!tter on the board
weren't you crying a while back about throwing insults on this board ?
Always had you down for a hypocritical holier-than-thou w**ker and this is further proof.
You are nearly worse than Fearon MS - trotting out the same old tired bollocks week after week
Quote from: tyronefan on April 02, 2009, 08:01:29 PM
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 02, 2009, 07:38:53 PM
Fergal Doherty was done in the Derry v Donegal Mash for lashing out with his hand, stayed on the pitch at the time and no one questioned the video trial that was to follow. If you ask the Admin maybe he could dig the thread about it out of the archives and you can see what was said about it. Fergal got 4 weeks and rightly so because the crime fits the time.
In last years league several Meath and Dublin were suspended following trial by video footage.
In last years championship, Collie Moran of Dublin, was before the CCCC, so too was Kevin Reilly of Meath, and Also Martin Cole of Down (who was subsequently banned), ironically when playing Tyrone...maybe Davey Harte 'over exaggerated it' as some are suggesting with SML... And how can we forget the most high profile story of last summer almost eclipsing Tyrone's win, one Mr Paul Galvin and the diving notebook(!) Paul Finlay, Gary Mc Quaid both suspended last year for mouthing at ref and punching respectively (note both got 8 weeks suspensions)
In a 2007 club game Paddy Bradley was suspended for 3 months for mouthing at a referee, It was used for Dublin/Tyrone brawl at Healy Park in 2006, What about 'Semplegate' a few years ago? In fact as far back as 2000 Video evidence was used in the Cavan/Sligo brawl in Markievicz Park.
Also..if you want find out why Ryan Mc Menamin got a call up to the Tyrone Panel, I couldn't possibly post for fear of getting banned but let's just say it is charming to say the least.... Reading the rest of him profile, he is a nasty piece of work to say the least. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_mcmenamin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_mcmenamin)
So it isn't just Tyrone, and also it's interesting to note the length of bans, Finlay got 8 weeks for Mouthing at the ref, Ricey was crying he got 6 weeks for a whole lot worse.
Are you serious it might be something to do with the fact he is a very good footballer
That aside, the reason that set him from the rest. Also, if this is the basis Tyrone are recruiting players on, is it any wonder their behaviour is so bad.
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 02, 2009, 08:36:26 PM
That aside, the reason that set him from the rest. Also, if this is the basis Tyrone are recruiting players on, is it any wonder their behaviour is so bad.
Of your 28 posts on this board so far, how many of them don't involve you having a go at Tyrone (I'll answer that if you want)?
QuoteYou are nearly worse than Fearon MS - trotting out the same old tired bollocks week after week
Why dont you just stick to yer cricket brit boy.
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 02, 2009, 07:24:52 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 02, 2009, 05:49:09 PM
Far from perfect, its a complete joke if Tommy McGuigan gets done. At least 3 worse incidents were caught on camera in the Monaghan game and not another word was said about it. Its always interesting to note the difference of posters reactions on here to. You know rightly if McGuigan gets done he and Ricey have been treated differently because of the county they're from.
Many would be of the opinion that a strike to the groin is more serious/undesirable than most incidents - and a pattern that has to be stopped before it becomes commonplace. Tackles in the course of play will never attract the same attention and scrutiny as such 'off the ball' incidents.
Yes a light knee to the groin is much worse than a player running 3 yards to drop their knee with force onto someone lying on the ground or to come running out full and bury someone at force with your elbow. For god sake Maguire its a joke the selective use of the evidence and you know it.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on April 02, 2009, 07:00:35 PM
Didn't see the Monaghan instances so I won't comment on those. There is a question of consistency perhaps but that can't be used to vindicate Tommy McGuigan.
First of all Sean Marty Lockhart is no angel, he did his best to embroil Sean Cavanagh into a fight in the goalmouth (Cavanagh's composure in that situation should have been highlighted as an example of how players should rise above goading and provocation - I thought he showed real class).
Secondly I've never seen Tommy McGuigan act the pup before and he seems like a decent sort.
But you can't sink your knee into someone's groin like he did and expect to get away with it. Especially when it is completely off the ball (there is a tendency in the GAA to let players off if a tackle is bad but the ball is somewhere in the picture, not right maybe, but when there's no ball involved at all there is little enough defence - perhaps this partly explains the Monaghan incidents, and a lot of the cynical dropping of knees we've seen in recent years). He was ticked for I don't know what because if the referee saw it right, he was gone with a straight red. Four weeks is fair enough. McMenamin was potentially going to receive more because his was a bit more premeditated and he also acted the bollix after the game).
I really hope there is no appeal from Tyrone either, because the focus for Mickey Harte should not be moaning about inconsistencies, but getting his players to stop losing their discipline, it could be very costly yet in a big championship game where all the appeals in the world won't bring his team back into the race for Sam.
The problem is people dont see these other instances and dont want to see them. The Monaghan instances were at least as bad and the CCC ignored them totally. Why should Tyrone players be treated differently? People think Tyrone should say ah ok lets ignore all the other instances like the ccc and media and let our players be treated differently. Mickey Harte and the county board aren't mugs. Its a joke.
I get it, you aren't allowed to criticise anything to do with Tyrone.
Shame on you Oakleafer for daring to start this thread.
More blathering from Harte...he's worse than that gobshite Gabriel Hurl at this stage
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=109480 (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=109480)
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on April 02, 2009, 08:41:31 PM
QuoteYou are nearly worse than Fearon MS - trotting out the same old tired bollocks week after week
Why dont you just stick to yer cricket brit boy.
Brit Boy? :D :D :D
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on April 02, 2009, 08:46:17 PM
I get it, you aren't allowed to criticise anything to do with Tyrone.
Shame on you Oakleafer for daring to start this thread.
3rd rule of Gaaboard. You must not badmouth Tyrone players.
Slight one, you slight them all. They're worse than the Dingles.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 02, 2009, 08:41:01 PM
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 02, 2009, 08:36:26 PM
That aside, the reason that set him from the rest. Also, if this is the basis Tyrone are recruiting players on, is it any wonder their behaviour is so bad.
Of your 28 posts on this board so far, how many of them don't involve you having a go at Tyrone (I'll answer that if you want)?
I only registered last week, and as Derry played Tyrone last week alot of my attention has been focused on them, as well as Mr Mc Guigans unsavoury incident which is talk of most Discussion boards at the minute. So probably about 50% are about Tyrone, maybe 60% with recent proceeding regarding the before mentioned.
Quote from: the green man on April 02, 2009, 08:54:31 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on April 02, 2009, 08:46:17 PM
I get it, you aren't allowed to criticise anything to do with Tyrone.
Shame on you Oakleafer for daring to start this thread.
3rd rule of Gaaboard. You must not badmouth Tyrone players.
Slight one, you slight them all. They're worse than the Dingles.
:D :D :D
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on April 02, 2009, 08:46:17 PM
I get it, you aren't allowed to criticise anything to do with Tyrone.
Shame on you Oakleafer for daring to start this thread.
What age are you? Nobody has said that. The problem here is the inconsistency.
Blatant, glaringly obvious inconsistencies at that. I'm not from Tyrone but you can understand their frustration.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 02, 2009, 08:44:00 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on April 02, 2009, 07:00:35 PM
Didn't see the Monaghan instances so I won't comment on those. There is a question of consistency perhaps but that can't be used to vindicate Tommy McGuigan.
First of all Sean Marty Lockhart is no angel, he did his best to embroil Sean Cavanagh into a fight in the goalmouth (Cavanagh's composure in that situation should have been highlighted as an example of how players should rise above goading and provocation - I thought he showed real class).
Secondly I've never seen Tommy McGuigan act the pup before and he seems like a decent sort.
But you can't sink your knee into someone's groin like he did and expect to get away with it. Especially when it is completely off the ball (there is a tendency in the GAA to let players off if a tackle is bad but the ball is somewhere in the picture, not right maybe, but when there's no ball involved at all there is little enough defence - perhaps this partly explains the Monaghan incidents, and a lot of the cynical dropping of knees we've seen in recent years). He was ticked for I don't know what because if the referee saw it right, he was gone with a straight red. Four weeks is fair enough. McMenamin was potentially going to receive more because his was a bit more premeditated and he also acted the bollix after the game).
I really hope there is no appeal from Tyrone either, because the focus for Mickey Harte should not be moaning about inconsistencies, but getting his players to stop losing their discipline, it could be very costly yet in a big championship game where all the appeals in the world won't bring his team back into the race for Sam.
The problem is people dont see these other instances and dont want to see them. The Monaghan instances were at least as bad and the CCC ignored them totally. Why should Tyrone players be treated differently? People think Tyrone should say ah ok lets ignore all the other instances like the ccc and media and let our players be treated differently. Mickey Harte and the county board aren't mugs. Its a joke.
I don't understand yer paranoia. The McGuigan and McMenamin incidents deserve(d) suspensions, it is that simple. Other incidents (I can't comment on the Monaghan ones because I didn't see them) are a matter for the GAA as a whole to deal with, not Mickey Harte. If I can refer back to last year, the Fergal Doherty retrospective ban was justified, same too with Meath and Dublin. Colie Moran on Bannon from Westmeath was never a red card only for the Sunday Games boys. I'm sure there are plenty more examples but more than Tyrone suffer. There will be cases where opinion is divided but on McGuigan and McMenamin there can be little doubting how deliberate they were because both were completely off the ball. To appeal against such is to defend what happened as being acceptable behaviour.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 02, 2009, 08:41:41 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 02, 2009, 07:24:52 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 02, 2009, 05:49:09 PM
Far from perfect, its a complete joke if Tommy McGuigan gets done. At least 3 worse incidents were caught on camera in the Monaghan game and not another word was said about it. Its always interesting to note the difference of posters reactions on here to. You know rightly if McGuigan gets done he and Ricey have been treated differently because of the county they're from.
Many would be of the opinion that a strike to the groin is more serious/undesirable than most incidents - and a pattern that has to be stopped before it becomes commonplace. Tackles in the course of play will never attract the same attention and scrutiny as such 'off the ball' incidents.
Yes a light knee to the groin is much worse than a player running 3 yards to drop their knee with force onto someone lying on the ground or to come running out full and bury someone at force with your elbow. For god sake Maguire its a joke the selective use of the evidence and you know it.
Awk never worry Tyronedreamer Ricey (funny he's cropping up again) displayed these delightful qualities in the Ulster final a few years back.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on April 02, 2009, 09:00:36 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 02, 2009, 08:44:00 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on April 02, 2009, 07:00:35 PM
Didn't see the Monaghan instances so I won't comment on those. There is a question of consistency perhaps but that can't be used to vindicate Tommy McGuigan.
First of all Sean Marty Lockhart is no angel, he did his best to embroil Sean Cavanagh into a fight in the goalmouth (Cavanagh's composure in that situation should have been highlighted as an example of how players should rise above goading and provocation - I thought he showed real class).
Secondly I've never seen Tommy McGuigan act the pup before and he seems like a decent sort.
But you can't sink your knee into someone's groin like he did and expect to get away with it. Especially when it is completely off the ball (there is a tendency in the GAA to let players off if a tackle is bad but the ball is somewhere in the picture, not right maybe, but when there's no ball involved at all there is little enough defence - perhaps this partly explains the Monaghan incidents, and a lot of the cynical dropping of knees we've seen in recent years). He was ticked for I don't know what because if the referee saw it right, he was gone with a straight red. Four weeks is fair enough. McMenamin was potentially going to receive more because his was a bit more premeditated and he also acted the bollix after the game).
I really hope there is no appeal from Tyrone either, because the focus for Mickey Harte should not be moaning about inconsistencies, but getting his players to stop losing their discipline, it could be very costly yet in a big championship game where all the appeals in the world won't bring his team back into the race for Sam.
The problem is people dont see these other instances and dont want to see them. The Monaghan instances were at least as bad and the CCC ignored them totally. Why should Tyrone players be treated differently? People think Tyrone should say ah ok lets ignore all the other instances like the ccc and media and let our players be treated differently. Mickey Harte and the county board aren't mugs. Its a joke.
I don't understand yer paranoia. The McGuigan and McMenamin incidents deserve(d) suspensions, it is that simple. Other incidents (I can't comment on the Monaghan ones because I didn't see them) are a matter for the GAA as a whole to deal with, not Mickey Harte. If I can refer back to last year, the Fergal Doherty retrospective ban was justified, same too with Meath and Dublin. Colie Moran on Bannon from Westmeath was never a red card only for the Sunday Games boys. I'm sure there are plenty more examples but more than Tyrone suffer. There will be cases where opinion is divided but on McGuigan and McMenamin there can be little doubting how deliberate they were because both were completely off the ball. To appeal against such is to defend what happened as being acceptable behaviour.
Bannon himself came out and said it wasn't a red card offence.
QuoteBannon himself came out and said it wasn't a red card offence.
did he really?
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on April 02, 2009, 09:00:36 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 02, 2009, 08:44:00 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on April 02, 2009, 07:00:35 PM
Didn't see the Monaghan instances so I won't comment on those. There is a question of consistency perhaps but that can't be used to vindicate Tommy McGuigan.
First of all Sean Marty Lockhart is no angel, he did his best to embroil Sean Cavanagh into a fight in the goalmouth (Cavanagh's composure in that situation should have been highlighted as an example of how players should rise above goading and provocation - I thought he showed real class).
Secondly I've never seen Tommy McGuigan act the pup before and he seems like a decent sort.
But you can't sink your knee into someone's groin like he did and expect to get away with it. Especially when it is completely off the ball (there is a tendency in the GAA to let players off if a tackle is bad but the ball is somewhere in the picture, not right maybe, but when there's no ball involved at all there is little enough defence - perhaps this partly explains the Monaghan incidents, and a lot of the cynical dropping of knees we've seen in recent years). He was ticked for I don't know what because if the referee saw it right, he was gone with a straight red. Four weeks is fair enough. McMenamin was potentially going to receive more because his was a bit more premeditated and he also acted the bollix after the game).
I really hope there is no appeal from Tyrone either, because the focus for Mickey Harte should not be moaning about inconsistencies, but getting his players to stop losing their discipline, it could be very costly yet in a big championship game where all the appeals in the world won't bring his team back into the race for Sam.
The problem is people dont see these other instances and dont want to see them. The Monaghan instances were at least as bad and the CCC ignored them totally. Why should Tyrone players be treated differently? People think Tyrone should say ah ok lets ignore all the other instances like the ccc and media and let our players be treated differently. Mickey Harte and the county board aren't mugs. Its a joke.
I don't understand yer paranoia. The McGuigan and McMenamin incidents deserve(d) suspensions, it is that simple. Other incidents (I can't comment on the Monaghan ones because I didn't see them) are a matter for the GAA as a whole to deal with, not Mickey Harte. If I can refer back to last year, the Fergal Doherty retrospective ban was justified, same too with Meath and Dublin. Colie Moran on Bannon from Westmeath was never a red card only for the Sunday Games boys. I'm sure there are plenty more examples but more than Tyrone suffer. There will be cases where opinion is divided but on McGuigan and McMenamin there can be little doubting how deliberate they were because both were completely off the ball. To appeal against such is to defend what happened as being acceptable behaviour.
Exactly
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on April 02, 2009, 09:00:36 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 02, 2009, 08:44:00 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on April 02, 2009, 07:00:35 PM
Didn't see the Monaghan instances so I won't comment on those. There is a question of consistency perhaps but that can't be used to vindicate Tommy McGuigan.
First of all Sean Marty Lockhart is no angel, he did his best to embroil Sean Cavanagh into a fight in the goalmouth (Cavanagh's composure in that situation should have been highlighted as an example of how players should rise above goading and provocation - I thought he showed real class).
Secondly I've never seen Tommy McGuigan act the pup before and he seems like a decent sort.
But you can't sink your knee into someone's groin like he did and expect to get away with it. Especially when it is completely off the ball (there is a tendency in the GAA to let players off if a tackle is bad but the ball is somewhere in the picture, not right maybe, but when there's no ball involved at all there is little enough defence - perhaps this partly explains the Monaghan incidents, and a lot of the cynical dropping of knees we've seen in recent years). He was ticked for I don't know what because if the referee saw it right, he was gone with a straight red. Four weeks is fair enough. McMenamin was potentially going to receive more because his was a bit more premeditated and he also acted the bollix after the game).
I really hope there is no appeal from Tyrone either, because the focus for Mickey Harte should not be moaning about inconsistencies, but getting his players to stop losing their discipline, it could be very costly yet in a big championship game where all the appeals in the world won't bring his team back into the race for Sam.
The problem is people dont see these other instances and dont want to see them. The Monaghan instances were at least as bad and the CCC ignored them totally. Why should Tyrone players be treated differently? People think Tyrone should say ah ok lets ignore all the other instances like the ccc and media and let our players be treated differently. Mickey Harte and the county board aren't mugs. Its a joke.
I don't understand yer paranoia. The McGuigan and McMenamin incidents deserve(d) suspensions, it is that simple. Other incidents (I can't comment on the Monaghan ones because I didn't see them) are a matter for the GAA as a whole to deal with, not Mickey Harte. If I can refer back to last year, the Fergal Doherty retrospective ban was justified, same too with Meath and Dublin. Colie Moran on Bannon from Westmeath was never a red card only for the Sunday Games boys. I'm sure there are plenty more examples but more than Tyrone suffer. There will be cases where opinion is divided but on McGuigan and McMenamin there can be little doubting how deliberate they were because both were completely off the ball. To appeal against such is to defend what happened as being acceptable behaviour.
tyrone didn't appeal against ricey.s suspension only the length of it as it was not consistent with other similar offences
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on April 02, 2009, 09:00:36 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 02, 2009, 08:44:00 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on April 02, 2009, 07:00:35 PM
Didn't see the Monaghan instances so I won't comment on those. There is a question of consistency perhaps but that can't be used to vindicate Tommy McGuigan.
First of all Sean Marty Lockhart is no angel, he did his best to embroil Sean Cavanagh into a fight in the goalmouth (Cavanagh's composure in that situation should have been highlighted as an example of how players should rise above goading and provocation - I thought he showed real class).
Secondly I've never seen Tommy McGuigan act the pup before and he seems like a decent sort.
But you can't sink your knee into someone's groin like he did and expect to get away with it. Especially when it is completely off the ball (there is a tendency in the GAA to let players off if a tackle is bad but the ball is somewhere in the picture, not right maybe, but when there's no ball involved at all there is little enough defence - perhaps this partly explains the Monaghan incidents, and a lot of the cynical dropping of knees we've seen in recent years). He was ticked for I don't know what because if the referee saw it right, he was gone with a straight red. Four weeks is fair enough. McMenamin was potentially going to receive more because his was a bit more premeditated and he also acted the bollix after the game).
I really hope there is no appeal from Tyrone either, because the focus for Mickey Harte should not be moaning about inconsistencies, but getting his players to stop losing their discipline, it could be very costly yet in a big championship game where all the appeals in the world won't bring his team back into the race for Sam.
The problem is people dont see these other instances and dont want to see them. The Monaghan instances were at least as bad and the CCC ignored them totally. Why should Tyrone players be treated differently? People think Tyrone should say ah ok lets ignore all the other instances like the ccc and media and let our players be treated differently. Mickey Harte and the county board aren't mugs. Its a joke.
I don't understand yer paranoia. The McGuigan and McMenamin incidents deserve(d) suspensions, it is that simple. Other incidents (I can't comment on the Monaghan ones because I didn't see them) are a matter for the GAA as a whole to deal with, not Mickey Harte. If I can refer back to last year, the Fergal Doherty retrospective ban was justified, same too with Meath and Dublin. Colie Moran on Bannon from Westmeath was never a red card only for the Sunday Games boys. I'm sure there are plenty more examples but more than Tyrone suffer. There will be cases where opinion is divided but on McGuigan and McMenamin there can be little doubting how deliberate they were because both were completely off the ball. To appeal against such is to defend what happened as being acceptable behaviour.
Seriously are you lads being serious or do you's be winding up? As far as I'm aware no other players have been banned through video evidence in this years NFL. Forget last years championship were there is much more scrutiny I'm talking about this years league were the inconsistencies have occured. Ricey and now possibly McGuigan will be the only 2 players suspended through video evidence.
There have been other instances whether you have seen them or not were it could have been used. There were at least 2 (and maybe more) shown on RTE in the Monaghan game. There is no doubt there have been others. The CCC have ignored them. In the Ricey case video evidence was there and people said it had to be used well then why was it not used for the Monaghan game? Do you seriously believe Mickey Harte and the Tyrone county board should sit back and watch their players being treated differently from other counties? Ricey got 8 weeks when other players got 4 for the same incident. You say McGuigan did wrong and Tyrone should accept punishment. Well then why should other players be allowed to do wrong and it be ignored?
Fair play to Exiled gael for being the only neutral seeing the situation as it is without anti Tyrone glasses on.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 02, 2009, 09:32:23 PM
Ricey got 8 weeks when other players got 4 for the same incident.
You're completely wrong there TD... Tom Kenny's top of the handle of the hurley into the bollix of Cha Fitzpatrick was nowhere near in the same category ;)
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 02, 2009, 09:32:23 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on April 02, 2009, 09:00:36 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 02, 2009, 08:44:00 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on April 02, 2009, 07:00:35 PM
Didn't see the Monaghan instances so I won't comment on those. There is a question of consistency perhaps but that can't be used to vindicate Tommy McGuigan.
First of all Sean Marty Lockhart is no angel, he did his best to embroil Sean Cavanagh into a fight in the goalmouth (Cavanagh's composure in that situation should have been highlighted as an example of how players should rise above goading and provocation - I thought he showed real class).
Secondly I've never seen Tommy McGuigan act the pup before and he seems like a decent sort.
But you can't sink your knee into someone's groin like he did and expect to get away with it. Especially when it is completely off the ball (there is a tendency in the GAA to let players off if a tackle is bad but the ball is somewhere in the picture, not right maybe, but when there's no ball involved at all there is little enough defence - perhaps this partly explains the Monaghan incidents, and a lot of the cynical dropping of knees we've seen in recent years). He was ticked for I don't know what because if the referee saw it right, he was gone with a straight red. Four weeks is fair enough. McMenamin was potentially going to receive more because his was a bit more premeditated and he also acted the bollix after the game).
I really hope there is no appeal from Tyrone either, because the focus for Mickey Harte should not be moaning about inconsistencies, but getting his players to stop losing their discipline, it could be very costly yet in a big championship game where all the appeals in the world won't bring his team back into the race for Sam.
The problem is people dont see these other instances and dont want to see them. The Monaghan instances were at least as bad and the CCC ignored them totally. Why should Tyrone players be treated differently? People think Tyrone should say ah ok lets ignore all the other instances like the ccc and media and let our players be treated differently. Mickey Harte and the county board aren't mugs. Its a joke.
I don't understand yer paranoia. The McGuigan and McMenamin incidents deserve(d) suspensions, it is that simple. Other incidents (I can't comment on the Monaghan ones because I didn't see them) are a matter for the GAA as a whole to deal with, not Mickey Harte. If I can refer back to last year, the Fergal Doherty retrospective ban was justified, same too with Meath and Dublin. Colie Moran on Bannon from Westmeath was never a red card only for the Sunday Games boys. I'm sure there are plenty more examples but more than Tyrone suffer. There will be cases where opinion is divided but on McGuigan and McMenamin there can be little doubting how deliberate they were because both were completely off the ball. To appeal against such is to defend what happened as being acceptable behaviour.
Seriously are you lads being serious or do you's be winding up? As far as I'm aware no other players have been banned through video evidence in this years NFL. Forget last years championship were there is much more scrutiny I'm talking about this years league were the inconsistencies have occured. Ricey and now possibly McGuigan will be the only 2 players suspended through video evidence.
There have been other instances whether you have seen them or not were it could have been used. There were at least 2 (and maybe more) shown on RTE in the Monaghan game. There is no doubt there have been others. The CCC have ignored them. In the Ricey case video evidence was there and people said it had to be used well then why was it not used for the Monaghan game? Do you seriously believe Mickey Harte and the Tyrone county board should sit back and watch their players being treated differently from other counties? Ricey got 8 weeks when other players got 4 for the same incident. You say McGuigan did wrong and Tyrone should accept punishment. Well then why should other players be allowed to do wrong and it be ignored?
Fair play to Exiled gael for being the only neutral seeing the situation as it is without anti Tyrone glasses on.
Oh that's right, anyone expressing an opinion that you don't agree with must be anti-Tyrone ::)
Look, I didn't see the Monaghan game , so I can't say much about that. I have mentioned that the possibility of the ball being in proximity to the tackle or assault or whatever you call it might be a mitigating factor. Not a good thing but that's the way with a lot of GAA disciplinary issues - not an anti Tyrone thing, just an anolomy that the GAA does need to sort (sp).
Anyway I have seen a good few NFL games this year now while we're on the subject. Either in person or on Setanta/TG4 I've seen the following games in full - Mayo v Derry, Mayo v Dublin, Mayo v Galway, Mayo v Westmeath, Tyrone v Galway, Tyrone v Dublin, Tyrone v Derry, Kerry v Dublin, Derry v Dublin and Galway v Dublin. And I've seen highlights of Tyrone v Kerry and Kerry v Derry. Twelve games so. And guess how many incidents I've seen fit for disciplinary action? Yeah, just the two. So using the NFL as a comparative isn't watertight. Some people will say that kneeing or slapping in the balls is a dispicable act and the Tyrone players should have got further censure. I don't agree with that. But the thing about both incidents is there is no defence of either, unlike some other incidents that may be referred to the CCCC.
Now the fact that more Tyrone games are on TV than other counties doesn't help ye, one of the advantages of success is ye will get extra exposure. But this exposure might have a sting in its tail from time to time.
Tyronefan - fair enough point about McMenamin. But did the extra two weeks not stem from the incident after the game?
RedAndGreenSniper, I certainly would not put you in the anti-Tyrone bracket, but neither are we suffering from paranoia. But if the GAA authorities were really in earnest about putting their disciplinary house in order, they'd want to be fairly fastidious about having that law applied equally and across the board, and unlike you, they no doubt will have seen the Monaghan game.
What gets you into an 'anti Tyrone bracket'?
McGuigan let himself down and if he does get a ban then he cant complain too much. Amidst the usual hysteria on these Tyrone are evil threads though some people seem to have missed the valid point about consistency. To suggest there have only been 2 incidents (this and Ricey gate) in the League where retrospective action was required is ludicrous. Another poster already mentioned an incident between Lockhart and Cavanagh in the same game, why isnt that being followed up? Lads who are guilty of serious foul play deserve to be disciplined but when its done on such a selective basis its hardly a surprise that people feel its a bit of a witch hunt.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on April 02, 2009, 10:43:58 PM
Another poster already mentioned an incident between Lockhart and Cavanagh in the same game, why isnt that being followed up?
Always be careful what you wish for
I think Mickey's not the flavour of the month with authorities at the minute. I'm told there was some kind of managers' convention to discuss with refs and the powers that be the new rules. Not sure of the exact figures but it was quoted that of the 13 incidents shown, Mickey disagreed with the majority ruling on 11 of them. Again it's something close to those figures. I'm led to believe that those leading the convention were pushed over the edge by Mickey's insistence of questioning the new rulings and blew a fuse!!
Good man Mickey, following in the great Tyrone manager's twisting trait after big Art.
Quote from: ONeill on April 02, 2009, 10:48:57 PM
Good man Mickey, following in the great Tyrone manager's twisting trait after big Art.
It's tough at the top, I'd almost have sympathy for the Kingdom, almost.
in all fairness this was a nothing incident - its not like he drove his knee hard into his balls. He raised his knee slowly towards his groin area - stupid, yes, does it merit a 4 week ban, no chance. It was probably a yellow card offence, thats it.The rubbish talk about getting 8 weeks for that is hilarious.
Was there any contact at all? I'd have my doubts
QuoteIt's tough at the top, I'd almost have sympathy for the Kingdom, almost.
I'm proud to say that Kerry have never resorted to the shite talking or grabbing and kneeing opponents privates. We know that the AI champions have a duty to uphold the finer traditions of the game. Its a pity Tyrone dont take that duty seriously.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on April 02, 2009, 11:07:50 PM
QuoteIt's tough at the top, I'd almost have sympathy for the Kingdom, almost.
I'm proud to say that Kerry have never resorted to the shite talking or grabbing and kneeing opponents privates. We know that the AI champions have a duty to uphold the finer traditions of the game. Its a pity Tyrone dont take that duty seriously.
Never a truer word been said Mikey.
They simply assault and harrass the referee and remonstrate with their team mates.
QuoteNever a truer word been said Mikey
I knew you'd see the light eventually
Im just wondering when we can sit down together and I can get to ghost write the gospel.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on April 02, 2009, 11:07:50 PM
QuoteIt's tough at the top, I'd almost have sympathy for the Kingdom, almost.
I'm proud to say that Kerry have never resorted to the shite talking or grabbing and kneeing opponents privates. We know that the AI champions have a duty to uphold the finer traditions of the game. Its a pity Tyrone dont take that duty seriously.
I'll take you to a good oul full-blooded, full-fisted, full-livered game of Cáide in the Kingdom when you're back on these shores, then I'll throw you in to break up the melée at the end (of the first 5 minutes, and 10 minutes, and 15...), and the tickling of the bollix will be the last thing on the protagonists' minds! You've been away too long, the rose-tinted glasses aren't fit to be seen through at all any more - they've turned to an awful shade of turd.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 02, 2009, 10:34:48 PM
RedAndGreenSniper, I certainly would not put you in the anti-Tyrone bracket, but neither are we suffering from paranoia. But if the GAA authorities were really in earnest about putting their disciplinary house in order, they'd want to be fairly fastidious about having that law applied equally and across the board, and unlike you, they no doubt will have seen the Monaghan game.
Curiosity is getting the better of me so I've dug out that Monaghan Kildare game on TG4 and will have a look at it over the next couple of days. As I say both Tyrone incidents deserved sancture.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on April 02, 2009, 10:43:58 PM
McGuigan let himself down and if he does get a ban then he cant complain too much. Amidst the usual hysteria on these Tyrone are evil threads though some people seem to have missed the valid point about consistency. To suggest there have only been 2 incidents (this and Ricey gate) in the League where retrospective action was required is ludicrous. Another poster already mentioned an incident between Lockhart and Cavanagh in the same game, why isnt that being followed up? Lads who are guilty of serious foul play deserve to be disciplined but when its done on such a selective basis its hardly a surprise that people feel its a bit of a witch hunt.
Twas me that mentioned the SML and Cavanagh incident. Lockhart tried to provoke Cavanagh by grabbing him. Not due a suspension though. The incident was notable for Cavanagh's class in moving away from it with a smile on his face.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on April 02, 2009, 11:07:50 PM
QuoteIt's tough at the top, I'd almost have sympathy for the Kingdom, almost.
I'm proud to say that Kerry have never resorted to the shite talking or grabbing and kneeing opponents privates. We know that the AI champions have a duty to uphold the finer traditions of the game. Its a pity Tyrone dont take that duty seriously.
like urinating on the pitch at Croke Park?
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 02, 2009, 09:09:39 PM
QuoteBannon himself came out and said it wasn't a red card offence.
did he really?
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=97618 (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=97618)
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 02, 2009, 11:34:06 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 02, 2009, 09:09:39 PM
QuoteBannon himself came out and said it wasn't a red card offence.
did he really?
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=97618 (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=97618)
You'll have to point out the part where he said that it wasn't a red card - I'm a bit stupid, I'm from Tyrone after all
Quote"During the course of our game with Dublin in Croke Park on Sunday, I was injured while gaining possession of the ball,"
"Subsequently, a suspension has been proposed upon Dublin player Colin Moran arising from this incident, and he faces the prospect of missing the Leinster final. As a player and sportsman, I would not like to see Colin Moran missing this opportunity to play in a Leinster final."
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 02, 2009, 11:45:03 PM
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 02, 2009, 11:34:06 PM
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=97618 (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=97618)
You're down to 20% non anti-Tyrone posts now... have you a psychological problem? Obviously staunch south Derry isn't that far away from the dreaded Tyrone border, perhaps there are severe traumae there, especially if all you have to hang on to is 1993? Only trying to help.
I'd rather be waiting a lifetime on Sam than win one with Tyrone my friend. (Don't respond anything smart to that such as 'you have been') Thank God I'm a good 15+ miles from Cookstown. Jealousy doesn't come into it despite what you might think, I have alot of friends from Tyrone and I respect alot of Tyrone players like Cavanagh and Cormac Mc Anallen (RIP), but people like, Ricey I find it hard to have respect for, and that fact so many people has tried to condone his actions sickens me, he has no morals as a human never mind a sports man to act towards other people on the pitch they way he does, he is a dirty player and is up there with the most underhand, dirtiest players of the game, the stories I have heard about him from people who have marked him and from witnessing him do things on TV. Also, the most shocking think I read today was that when marking Peter Canavan in a club match, he stuck his finger up PC's arse and then PC proceeded to ask the management to try him out on the Tyrone team. The very fact this happened shows how low certain peoples morals must be to view this as some sort of accomplishment. If it had of been me, I'd of drove my first between his eyes.
Fear ón Srath Bán , you can have all the gold in the world but you can't buy class, much like Ricey can have as many Celtic crosses in ths back pocket but he'll never be respected.
Do you know anything about Wikipedia? It has its good, very good points, but, alas, also those of a less noble bent. Unavoidably and unfortunately 'What I Know Is' can easily morph into 'What I Want To Be Known Is'. I'd be very circumspect about what I'd quote as fact from it, unless you have the the incontrovertible source to hand.
15 miles eh... what a luxury, you lucky thing! ;)
Oakleafer93, wind your neck in a bit: if this is your first time on the board, i.e., if you aren't here under a new alias having posted before under another, relax a bit. It's not worth the angst.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 03, 2009, 12:09:30 AM
Do you know anything about Wikipedia? It has its good, very good points, but, alas, also those of a less noble bent. Unavoidably and unfortunately 'What I Know Is' can easily morph into 'What I Want To Be Known Is'. I'd be very circumspect about what I'd quote as fact from it, unless you have the the incontrovertible source to hand.
15 miles eh... what a luxury, you lucky thing! ;)
Oakleafer93, wind your neck in a bit: if this is your first time on the board, i.e., if you aren't here under a new alias having posted before under another, relax a bit. It's not worth the angst.
I have been a viewer on here, just a new poster. However I have come across you before in another board... Also, I have heard that storey about Ricey before from a Tyrone person if you believe it but thats the only link I could find, I'll look for other links on it. Also, that doesn't take away from anything, I personally think that Ricey is a disgrace to Gaelic Football, and one of if not thee dirtiest player of todays game, and I'm sure many others would agree.
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 03, 2009, 12:41:30 AM
I have been a viewer on here, just a new poster. However I have come across you before in another board... Also, I have heard that storey about Ricey before from a Tyrone person if you believe it but thats the only link I could find, I'll look for other links on it. Also, that doesn't take away from anything, I personally think that Ricey is a disgrace to Gaelic Football, and one of if not thee dirtiest player of todays game, and I'm sure many others would agree.
So you've being following me from adolescence with an eagle eye then! :D
You're welcome to your opinion, but I would hope that you have more important things to get all hot and bothered about, otherwise, you might never be off this board!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 03, 2009, 12:50:13 AM
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 03, 2009, 12:41:30 AM
I have been a viewer on here, just a new poster. However I have come across you before in another board... Also, I have heard that storey about Ricey before from a Tyrone person if you believe it but thats the only link I could find, I'll look for other links on it. Also, that doesn't take away from anything, I personally think that Ricey is a disgrace to Gaelic Football, and one of if not thee dirtiest player of todays game, and I'm sure many others would agree.
So you've being following me from adolescence with an eagle eye then! :D
You're welcome to your opinion, but I would hope that you have more important things to get all hot and bothered about, otherwise, you might never be off this board!
Can I also just say that I was supporting Tyrone last year in the All Ireland (As a Derry person that is suicide...) I call things as I see them and a few things about Tyrone I dislike, i never liked Canavan, albeit a good player but also guilty of training a bit to hard at dungannon pool...as like Dooher from time to time, when Gooch cooper was running down the pitch in the last wean of minutes in last years AI final Dooher more or less mounted him and dragged him to the ground. On Saturday night, Gormley was totally roasted by P. Bradley on Sat Night and resorted to fouling time and again (I'm not saying he isn't a good player but theres no call for that) Eoin Mulligan kicked the ball at a grounded SML with remarkable accuracy, what a coward, like Paddy heany said on Tuesdays Irish News, Pity he didn't have the same precision when taking the penalty... :) Finally, PJ Quinn tripped Eoin Bradley numerous times before being sidelines, as pointed out by one of the news papers twice in the space of 60 seconds at one point, why did it take to the 2nd half to yellow card him?
I'm not naive I know fouling happens in every county, yes EVEN Derry(!) But you have to admit, it seems to follow Tyrone around like a bad smell. That gulpin on the other thread smcafee, is actually in a round about way right about some of the things he is saying. But you have to question the number of times players like Ricey is going to be suspended before he catches himself on.
Also, it was on HS but they give you very little freedom to talk about most issues so I'm broadening my horizon! ;D (Plus they have spell check on here, haha.)
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 02, 2009, 11:59:31 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 02, 2009, 11:45:03 PM
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 02, 2009, 11:34:06 PM
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=97618 (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=97618)
You're down to 20% non anti-Tyrone posts now... have you a psychological problem? Obviously staunch south Derry isn't that far away from the dreaded Tyrone border, perhaps there are severe traumae there, especially if all you have to hang on to is 1993? Only trying to help.
I'd rather be waiting a lifetime on Sam than win one with Tyrone my friend. (Don't respond anything smart to that such as 'you have been') Thank God I'm a good 15+ miles from Cookstown. Jealousy doesn't come into it despite what you might think, I have alot of friends from Tyrone and I respect alot of Tyrone players like Cavanagh and Cormac Mc Anallen (RIP), but people like, Ricey I find it hard to have respect for, and that fact so many people has tried to condone his actions sickens me, he has no morals as a human never mind a sports man to act towards other people on the pitch they way he does, he is a dirty player and is up there with the most underhand, dirtiest players of the game, the stories I have heard about him from people who have marked him and from witnessing him do things on TV. Also, the most shocking think I read today was that when marking Peter Canavan in a club match, he stuck his finger up PC's arse and then PC proceeded to ask the management to try him out on the Tyrone team. The very fact this happened shows how low certain peoples morals must be to view this as some sort of accomplishment. If it had of been me, I'd of drove my first between his eyes.
Fear ón Srath Bán , you can have all the gold in the world but you can't buy class, much like Ricey can have as many Celtic crosses in ths back pocket but he'll never be respected.
thats a big statement to say about someone you never met
Quote from: gerry on April 03, 2009, 01:10:57 AM
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 02, 2009, 11:59:31 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 02, 2009, 11:45:03 PM
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 02, 2009, 11:34:06 PM
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=97618 (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=97618)
You're down to 20% non anti-Tyrone posts now... have you a psychological problem? Obviously staunch south Derry isn't that far away from the dreaded Tyrone border, perhaps there are severe traumae there, especially if all you have to hang on to is 1993? Only trying to help.
I'd rather be waiting a lifetime on Sam than win one with Tyrone my friend. (Don't respond anything smart to that such as 'you have been') Thank God I'm a good 15+ miles from Cookstown. Jealousy doesn't come into it despite what you might think, I have alot of friends from Tyrone and I respect alot of Tyrone players like Cavanagh and Cormac Mc Anallen (RIP), but people like, Ricey I find it hard to have respect for, and that fact so many people has tried to condone his actions sickens me, he has no morals as a human never mind a sports man to act towards other people on the pitch they way he does, he is a dirty player and is up there with the most underhand, dirtiest players of the game, the stories I have heard about him from people who have marked him and from witnessing him do things on TV. Also, the most shocking think I read today was that when marking Peter Canavan in a club match, he stuck his finger up PC's arse and then PC proceeded to ask the management to try him out on the Tyrone team. The very fact this happened shows how low certain peoples morals must be to view this as some sort of accomplishment. If it had of been me, I'd of drove my first between his eyes.
Fear ón Srath Bán , you can have all the gold in the world but you can't buy class, much like Ricey can have as many Celtic crosses in ths back pocket but he'll never be respected.
thats a big statement to say about someone you never met
From they way he speaks about peoples mothers (who incidently he has never met) on the pitch, from how and where he grabs opponents, from the way he runs 300m to roar in the face if an injured player etc. I think it's pretty much set in stone. You are entitled of course to respect him, but if you do it says more for you than it does for me.
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 03, 2009, 01:07:57 AM
That gulpin on the other thread smcafee, is actually in a round about way right about some of the things he is saying.
So
that's who you are, knew it, bleedin' knew it!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 03, 2009, 01:20:26 AM
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 03, 2009, 01:07:57 AM
That gulpin on the other thread smcafee, is actually in a round about way right about some of the things he is saying.
So that's who you are, knew it, bleedin' knew it!
Haha, no sorry to disapoint there Sherlock!
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 03, 2009, 01:30:11 AM
Haha, no sorry to disapoint there Sherlock!
Too smart for me then, I
really believed that, really believed that...
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 03, 2009, 01:34:43 AM
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 03, 2009, 01:30:11 AM
Haha, no sorry to disapoint there Sherlock!
Too smart for me then, I really believed that, really believed that...
Do you ever be on HS these days?
QuoteFrom they way he speaks about peoples mothers (who incidently he has never met) on the pitch, from how and where he grabs opponents, from the way he runs 300m to roar in the face if an injured player etc. I think it's pretty much set in stone. You are entitled of course to respect him, but if you do it says more for you than it does for me.
Fcuk me what does he do Oakleafer, run a lap or two before reaching the injured lad to abuse him... yet another example
of the gross exaggerations metered out by the Anti Tyrone Brigade any and every chance they get *yawn*
Do me a favor, quote any post you can find where by any of us here condoned what Rice did to Galvin :-[
Then when you've that done...build a bridge and get over yourself like a good lad!
Quoteof the gross exaggerations metered out by the Anti-Tyrone-Thugs-brigade any and
fixed that for you Dubya.....
God the whinging from the Tyrone fans is getting ridiculous at this stage..
1 - Tommy shouldn't be banned cause the ref dealt with it
2 - Tommy shouldn't be banned cause he didn't hit him hard
3 - Tommy shouldn't be banned cause no-one was killed
4 - Tommy shouldn't be banned cause SML exaggerated
5 - Tommy shouldn't be banned cause SML wasn't banned for something else or Monaghan players weren't etc...
Why can't you accept he shouldn't have done it, it was against the rules, it is a banning offence and he should be banned.....your issue then is yes he should be banned but why are other incidents not being investigated...(the same arguement could be applied as to how Tyrone players seem to win frees a lot easier than other counties players as well)...
DUBSFORSAM, has it ever crossed your mind how Ciaran Whelan can punch a player full in the face, on camera in front of the referee and it never gets jumped all over in the press or receives a card or a retrospective ban?
I do not no any current player, Tyrone or otherwise who has meted out as many violent acts yet gets away scot-free on each occasion. Tommy McGuigan's act, whilst also unacceptable, pales into insignificance by comparison to Whelans back-catalogue of thuggery.
Quote from: under the bar on April 03, 2009, 09:18:02 AM
DUBSFORSAM, has it ever crossed your mind how Ciaran Whelan can punch a player full in the face, on camera in front of the referee and it never gets jumped all over in the press or receives a card or a retrospective ban?
I do not no any current player, Tyrone or otherwise who has meted out as many violent acts yet gets away scot-free on each occasion. Tommy McGuigan's act, whilst also unacceptable, pales into insignificance by comparison to Whelans back-catalogue of thuggery.
That crap...Ciaran Whelan has got loads of grief in the papers etc....He got suspended after the brawl against Meath didn't he??? Did the Dublin fans/mgmt come out saying thats its a disgrace, that he shouldn't be suspended because other people get off?? No they accepted the suspension and left it there...
Quote from: under the bar on April 03, 2009, 09:18:02 AM
I do not no any current player, Tyrone or otherwise who has meted out as many violent acts yet gets away scot-free on each occasion.
A certain veteran midfielder from Kerry?
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on April 03, 2009, 09:20:42 AM
Quote from: under the bar on April 03, 2009, 09:18:02 AM
DUBSFORSAM, has it ever crossed your mind how Ciaran Whelan can punch a player full in the face, on camera in front of the referee and it never gets jumped all over in the press or receives a card or a retrospective ban?
I do not no any current player, Tyrone or otherwise who has meted out as many violent acts yet gets away scot-free on each occasion. Tommy McGuigan's act, whilst also unacceptable, pales into insignificance by comparison to Whelans back-catalogue of thuggery.
That crap...Ciaran Whelan has got loads of grief in the papers etc....He got suspended after the brawl against Meath didn't he??? Did the Dublin fans/mgmt come out saying thats its a disgrace, that he shouldn't be suspended because other people get off?? No they accepted the suspension and left it there...
not to many actual suspensions but compared to the amount of incidents.
the one mentioned above where he decked yer man at the throw is the perfect example
What about this new part of the GAA rules body referred to in today's Irish News by Mickey Harte - it's a new body called the SSCC -
Setanta Selectice Control Committee !!!!
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 03, 2009, 01:40:58 AM
Do you ever be on HS these days?
No, I grew up, you should try it sometime. *
* And my nursery school best friend in the whole world agrees with me.
Refs under pressure to review decisions
IT'S wonderful to see that inconsistency is alive and well within the discipline domain of the GAA.
With the SSCC (Setanta Selective Control Committee) allied to, and reinforced by, the PMSC (Print Media Selective Committee), it was hardly surprising to find out officially, after more than 24 hours on the media grapevine, that the incident involving Tommy McGuigan (pictured below left) and Sean Marty Lockhart in our game against Derry last weekend was to become the subject of further investigation.
This incident was dealt with by the referee at the time (in fact, David Coldrick (pictured below right) spent 25 seconds dealing directly with Tommy before he issued a black card).
Of course, we are all now aware that the referee may be asked to reconsider his
interpretation of a particular incident if the regulator, Setanta Sports in this case, decide it is one of the highlights.
And we also know that the referee feels under no pressure to change his view if he has no ambition to get more top quality games.
Conversely, however, if you accept that you acted with a degree of incompetence in the first instance, then a high-flying career with the whistle is most likely.
This scenario reminds me of the story about the guy who went to the theatre to see a play and couldn't wait to read what the critics said about it to see if he liked it or not.
Was the referee asked to review any of the rest of his decisions? It seems strange that there have been more than 60 games played in all four divisions of the National Football League since the Ricey incident, and I am not aware of any other reviews.
Statistically, how likely is that?
Quote from: orangeman on April 03, 2009, 10:25:27 AM
Statistically, how likely is that?
A nailed on certainty if it's about Tyrone I'd say.
I've figured out what CCCC stands for: Chimpanzee, Chimpanzee, Chimpanzee & Chimpanzee... they hear, see and speak even less than the 3 monkeys, with a sole exception.
SML should be ashamed of himself in this. The simulation and throwing himself to the ground in 'agony' was a disgrace and he is probably imbarrassed by the whole thing now :-\ Not really his form but frustration is creaping into his game as his speed is starting to leave him..
SML as you say wouldn't be renowned for feigning injury - I just think that there's so much of this feigning of injuries, play acting, trying to get players sent off etc in the game nowadays.
The GAA have actually brought this upon themselves with the new rules. It's now possible to get sent off ( via a yellow card ) for doing very little if anything - eg Brian Mc Guigan. On the other hand you can still sink the shoe in a man ( Rory Woods ) or decapitate a man ( Monaghan goalie ) and get off with it !
Quote from: tyronefan on April 02, 2009, 10:55:54 AM
no seemly they can revisit the incident if the ref admits he made a mistake and did not deal with it properly at the time
mostly this rule only applies to northern teams
or Collie Moran
Quote from: dubinhell on April 03, 2009, 11:31:12 AM
Quote from: tyronefan on April 02, 2009, 10:55:54 AM
no seemly they can revisit the incident if the ref admits he made a mistake and did not deal with it properly at the time
mostly this rule only applies to northern teams
or Collie Moran
That was very unfair as well.
In fairness, I think Dublin would be in much the same situation as ourselves now, though it wasn't always so. There's a pernicious dynamic at work here: the more high profile the team, the greater the degree of scrutiny and the subsequent retrospective administering of penalties. Pity the Association doesn't have the cop-on to cop on.
Proposed McGuigan ban irks Harte
The GAA's CCCC picked up on an incident involving McGuigan last weekend
Tyrone manager Mickey Harte has hit out after the GAA's Central Competitions Control Committee (CCCC) proposed a four-week ban for Tommy McGuigan.
The CCCC took the decision after viewing footage of an incident involving McGuigan and Sean Marty Lockhart in last weekend's NFL game.
The Tyrone boss said that the decision left him "sickened".
If the ban is imposed, McGuigan will miss Tyrone's final NFL Division 1 game against Mayo on Sunday week.
The Tyrone manager claimed that McGuigan had been subjected to trial by television.
"Who is making the decisions here?" an infuriated Harte asked.
"Is it the studio manager and presenter who decides they might talk about an incident because there's nothing else to discuss?"
Video evidence was also used to suspend Ryan McMenamin for eight weeks earlier in the league campaign, and Harte added: "I'm rather sick of it.
"There are loads of games with incidents that are never looked at again.
"The referee dealt with it at the time, but it would seem there's not a level playing field when it comes to these issues.
"I wouldn't mind if every incident was gone over with a fine tooth comb, but that is not what's happening."
The All-Ireland winning manager said no decision had been made yet regarding an appeal.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 02, 2009, 11:50:28 PM
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 02, 2009, 11:34:06 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 02, 2009, 09:09:39 PM
QuoteBannon himself came out and said it wasn't a red card offence.
did he really?
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=97618 (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=97618)
You'll have to point out the part where he said that it wasn't a red card - I'm a bit stupid, I'm from Tyrone after all
Quote"During the course of our game with Dublin in Croke Park on Sunday, I was injured while gaining possession of the ball,"
"Subsequently, a suspension has been proposed upon Dublin player Colin Moran arising from this incident, and he faces the prospect of missing the Leinster final. As a player and sportsman, I would not like to see Colin Moran missing this opportunity to play in a Leinster final."
No answer?
Quote from: EC Unique on April 03, 2009, 10:57:49 AM
SML should be ashamed of himself in this. The simulation and throwing himself to the ground in 'agony' was a disgrace and he is probably imbarrassed by the whole thing now :-\ Not really his form but frustration is creaping into his game as his speed is starting to leave him..
What an absolute pile of dung!
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on April 03, 2009, 09:43:23 AM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on April 03, 2009, 09:20:42 AM
Quote from: under the bar on April 03, 2009, 09:18:02 AM
DUBSFORSAM, has it ever crossed your mind how Ciaran Whelan can punch a player full in the face, on camera in front of the referee and it never gets jumped all over in the press or receives a card or a retrospective ban?
I do not no any current player, Tyrone or otherwise who has meted out as many violent acts yet gets away scot-free on each occasion. Tommy McGuigan's act, whilst also unacceptable, pales into insignificance by comparison to Whelans back-catalogue of thuggery.
That crap...Ciaran Whelan has got loads of grief in the papers etc....He got suspended after the brawl against Meath didn't he??? Did the Dublin fans/mgmt come out saying thats its a disgrace, that he shouldn't be suspended because other people get off?? No they accepted the suspension and left it there...
not to many actual suspensions but compared to the amount of incidents.
the one mentioned above where he decked yer man at the throw is the perfect example
Yes he was lucky with that one but if the ref had blown for Crawford having his arm around his face pulling and dragging out of him it wouldn't have happened....and when Crawford got him back by standing on his back later on in the game Whelan just got on with it...
QuoteThat crap...Ciaran Whelan has got loads of grief in the papers etc....He got suspended after the brawl against Meath didn't he??? Did the Dublin fans/mgmt come out saying thats its a disgrace, that he shouldn't be suspended because other people get off?? No they accepted the suspension and left it there...
He was in the middle of a melee ffs! Are you saying his several televised individual acts of thuggery have been accounted for because he got suspended along with many others in a group brawl? What have those individual acts got to do with the Dublin v Meath game??
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on April 03, 2009, 02:35:06 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on April 03, 2009, 10:57:49 AM
SML should be ashamed of himself in this. The simulation and throwing himself to the ground in 'agony' was a disgrace and he is probably imbarrassed by the whole thing now :-\ Not really his form but frustration is creaping into his game as his speed is starting to leave him..
What an absolute pile of dung!
Would you care to explain why?
Quote from: EC Unique on April 03, 2009, 10:57:49 AM
SML should be ashamed of himself in this. The simulation and throwing himself to the ground in 'agony' was a disgrace
Are you saying that the incident didn't happen?
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 03, 2009, 02:24:50 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 02, 2009, 11:50:28 PM
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 02, 2009, 11:34:06 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 02, 2009, 09:09:39 PM
QuoteBannon himself came out and said it wasn't a red card offence.
did he really?
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=97618 (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=97618)
You'll have to point out the part where he said that it wasn't a red card - I'm a bit stupid, I'm from Tyrone after all
Quote"During the course of our game with Dublin in Croke Park on Sunday, I was injured while gaining possession of the ball,"
"Subsequently, a suspension has been proposed upon Dublin player Colin Moran arising from this incident, and he faces the prospect of missing the Leinster final. As a player and sportsman, I would not like to see Colin Moran missing this opportunity to play in a Leinster final."
No answer?
Would have to agree with GH here, Bannon never said it wasn't a red card, just that he wouldn't like to see Moran miss the Leinster Final...
On a separate note I wonder could the mods ban the wimin who've been bitching throughout the thread, would help to improve the board...
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on April 03, 2009, 03:30:55 PMOn a separate note I wonder could the mods ban the wimin who've been bitching throughout the thread, would help to improve the board...
There'd be no-one left :D
Quote from: EC Unique on April 03, 2009, 10:57:49 AM
SML should be ashamed of himself in this. The simulation and throwing himself to the ground in 'agony' was a disgrace and he is probably imbarrassed by the whole thing now :-\ Not really his form but frustration is creaping into his game as his speed is starting to leave him..
Catch yourself, on, Tommy Mc Guigan should be ashamed of himself for carrying out the act in the first place.
Just viewed the Monaghan Kildare game there to view the incidents referred to by FoSB and others. I'll say this much, Monaghan are arguably the most cynical team playing the game at present. Regarding the three incidents I don't think they all deserved censure.
Rory Woods' kick is the type of act that in soccer, to the letter of the law, is a red card. He wouldn't have moved an O'Neills one inch with the power in that one. If the likes of that starts getting red cards on the field of play or retrospective bans off the field of play, we're in trouble.
The knee in the back? The only incident I could see was Darren Hughes. Is that the one? Possibly worthy of a yellow card but no more.
The keeper definitely deserved to go. But I think its quite simple - if any other player on the pitch did that tackle, he would have got gate. Goalkeepers get away with that sort of thing. He should have been banned subsequently by the authorities. So the GAA are inconsistent in that regard. But not in a massive way, its only one incident they got wrong and while that might be one too many, I don't quite agree with the Tyrone logic that it is one rule for us and a different for everyone else. More a case of one rule for goalkeepers, a different rule for every outfield player.
Someone suggested a citing commissioner should be at every game, with a video recording of it, and 'citings' should be done by he/she. Logistically I don't know how difficult that is but at the minute the problem is not that Tyrone are being scapegoated, its that only games shown live on TV seem subject to sanction and Tyrone are in a lot of them. Still though, I've now watched 13 NFL games and the only three incidents worthy of suspension were Ryan McMenamin, Tommy McGuigan and now Padraig McBennett. Perhaps it is more in Mickey's line to worry about in house matters before one of his players does something that leads to them departing the championship because of indiscipline.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 03, 2009, 03:39:46 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on April 03, 2009, 03:30:55 PMOn a separate note I wonder could the mods ban the wimin who've been bitching throughout the thread, would help to improve the board...
There'd be no Tyronies left :D
Fixed that for u GH... :P
But if it's consistency that we all want, surely the system shoudn't be influenced ( which it is at the minute ) by television pundits, television replays etc ?? Surely there's a more equitable sysyem out there ?
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on April 03, 2009, 04:27:03 PM
Just viewed the Monaghan Kildare game there to view the incidents referred to by FoSB and others. I'll say this much, Monaghan are arguably the most cynical team playing the game at present. Regarding the three incidents I don't think they all deserved censure.
Rory Woods' kick is the type of act that in soccer, to the letter of the law, is a red card. He wouldn't have moved an O'Neills one inch with the power in that one. If the likes of that starts getting red cards on the field of play or retrospective bans off the field of play, we're in trouble.
The knee in the back? The only incident I could see was Darren Hughes. Is that the one? Possibly worthy of a yellow card but no more.
The keeper definitely deserved to go. But I think its quite simple - if any other player on the pitch did that tackle, he would have got gate. Goalkeepers get away with that sort of thing. He should have been banned subsequently by the authorities. So the GAA are inconsistent in that regard. But not in a massive way, its only one incident they got wrong and while that might be one too many, I don't quite agree with the Tyrone logic that it is one rule for us and a different for everyone else. More a case of one rule for goalkeepers, a different rule for every outfield player.
Someone suggested a citing commissioner should be at every game, with a video recording of it, and 'citings' should be done by he/she. Logistically I don't know how difficult that is but at the minute the problem is not that Tyrone are being scapegoated, its that only games shown live on TV seem subject to sanction and Tyrone are in a lot of them. Still though, I've now watched 13 NFL games and the only three incidents worthy of suspension were Ryan McMenamin, Tommy McGuigan and now Padraig McBennett. Perhaps it is more in Mickey's line to worry about in house matters before one of his players does something that leads to them departing the championship because of indiscipline.
So when Rory Woods kicks someone on the ground 3 or 4 times nothing further should happen because there was no force behind it? But when Ricey touched Galvins balls with little force or intent to do damage it should be reviewed and he should get an 8 week ban? Do you not think your treating the 2 players differently?
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on April 03, 2009, 04:27:03 PM
Just viewed the Monaghan Kildare game there to view the incidents referred to by FoSB and others. I'll say this much, Monaghan are arguably the most cynical team playing the game at present. Regarding the three incidents I don't think they all deserved censure.
Rory Woods' kick is the type of act that in soccer, to the letter of the law, is a red card. He wouldn't have moved an O'Neills one inch with the power in that one. If the likes of that starts getting red cards on the field of play or retrospective bans off the field of play, we're in trouble.
The knee in the back? The only incident I could see was Darren Hughes. Is that the one? Possibly worthy of a yellow card but no more.
The keeper definitely deserved to go. But I think its quite simple - if any other player on the pitch did that tackle, he would have got gate. Goalkeepers get away with that sort of thing. He should have been banned subsequently by the authorities. So the GAA are inconsistent in that regard. But not in a massive way, its only one incident they got wrong and while that might be one too many, I don't quite agree with the Tyrone logic that it is one rule for us and a different for everyone else. More a case of one rule for goalkeepers, a different rule for every outfield player.
Someone suggested a citing commissioner should be at every game, with a video recording of it, and 'citings' should be done by he/she. Logistically I don't know how difficult that is but at the minute the problem is not that Tyrone are being scapegoated, its that only games shown live on TV seem subject to sanction and Tyrone are in a lot of them. Still though, I've now watched 13 NFL games and the only three incidents worthy of suspension were Ryan McMenamin, Tommy McGuigan and now Padraig McBennett. Perhaps it is more in Mickey's line to worry about in house matters before one of his players does something that leads to them departing the championship because of indiscipline.
Not a bad assessment. Personally I wasn't impressed with Rory's behaviour as the man was down injured. There was no force (and probably wouldn't be considered dangerous - like even a light tap to the groin could), but it wasn't sporting.
McBennett's tackle was pretty brutal - and probably looked even worse as both collided at speed - no one has said otherwise, but it was in the course of play, and not an 'off the ball' (or even 'of the balls'!) incident. And Red&Green is correct - goalkeepers will generally be given the benefit where outfield players wouldn't.
At the end of the day, it is a tough sport and bad/rough tackles are relatively commonplace - whereas intentional contact with the groin is not. I think it's just the nature of the Tyrone incidents that have attracted such attention. Would be interesting if a Tyrone player was to be pulled up before the CCCC for a bad tackle in the course of play.
The fact that McMenamin's 'pat with little force' was in the balls is the key difference. Not saying I admire or like what Woods did - he shouldn't have done it. But a toe tap twice to someone's leg is a mild offence. A yellow card would have been the most that could have been expected, and there's not a lot that can be done retrospectively so. McMenamin's act was worse. It was a low act. I'm not treating the players differently, I'm treating their actions differently because they are different.
OM, there definitely should and probably is a better system out there. But I don't think pundits had much effect on McMenamin and McGuigan - their actions were clear for all to see. Now Collie Moran last year was another matter where the Sunday Game made a mountain out of a molehill
and by the same token what Setanta O Halpin done in ozzie rules was deeemed their most serious offence imaginable. In Soccor handling the ball is a straight red carder.
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 03, 2009, 03:53:31 PMCatch yourself, on, Tommy Mc Guigan should be ashamed of himself for carrying out the act in the first place.
as should you, for peddling that story abut McMenamin citing f**king Wikipedia as your "source"
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on April 03, 2009, 04:53:09 PM
The fact that McMenamin's 'pat with little force' was in the balls is the key difference.
What should Tom Kenny have been hit with for his hurley into the nether regions of Cha Fitzpatrick, with force?
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on April 03, 2009, 04:53:09 PM
The fact that McMenamin's 'pat with little force' was in the balls is the key difference. Not saying I admire or like what Woods did - he shouldn't have done it. But a toe tap twice to someone's leg is a mild offence. A yellow card would have been the most that could have been expected, and there's not a lot that can be done retrospectively so. McMenamin's act was worse. It was a low act. I'm not treating the players differently, I'm treating their actions differently because they are different.
OM, there definitely should and probably is a better system out there. But I don't think pundits had much effect on McMenamin and McGuigan - their actions were clear for all to see. Now Collie Moran last year was another matter where the Sunday Game made a mountain out of a molehill
I think Fergal Doherty got done over by the Sunday game as well last year.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 03, 2009, 04:59:24 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on April 03, 2009, 04:53:09 PM
The fact that McMenamin's 'pat with little force' was in the balls is the key difference.
What should Tom Kenny have been hit with for his hurley into the nether regions of Cha Fitzpatrick, with force?
In this instance, Cork had had been well bet by KK and it was pointed out by the pundits that there wasn't much in it and sure they're good friends and it was just a bit of frustration on Tom's part, so no harm done.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 03, 2009, 04:59:04 PM
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 03, 2009, 03:53:31 PMCatch yourself, on, Tommy Mc Guigan should be ashamed of himself for carrying out the act in the first place.
as should you, for peddling that story abut McMenamin citing f**king Wikipedia as your "source"
I have heard that before from a tyrone person would you believe, I'm trying to find another source to back it up.
Quote from: orangeman on April 03, 2009, 04:59:31 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on April 03, 2009, 04:53:09 PM
The fact that McMenamin's 'pat with little force' was in the balls is the key difference. Not saying I admire or like what Woods did - he shouldn't have done it. But a toe tap twice to someone's leg is a mild offence. A yellow card would have been the most that could have been expected, and there's not a lot that can be done retrospectively so. McMenamin's act was worse. It was a low act. I'm not treating the players differently, I'm treating their actions differently because they are different.
OM, there definitely should and probably is a better system out there. But I don't think pundits had much effect on McMenamin and McGuigan - their actions were clear for all to see. Now Collie Moran last year was another matter where the Sunday Game made a mountain out of a molehill
I think Fergal Doherty got done over by the Sunday game as well last year.
Fergal deserved what he got, he lashed out with his hand which is a straight red and correctly got 4 weeks suspension.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 03, 2009, 04:36:14 PM
So when Rory Woods kicks someone on the ground 3 or 4 times nothing further should happen because there was no force behind it? But when Ricey touched Galvins balls with little force or intent to do damage it should be reviewed and he should get an 8 week ban? Do you not think your treating the 2 players differently?
Touched!!!!He made a point of running over to him and nipping his balls! also, with little force or intent to damage? Are you for real. Tyronedream, how true your name rings. Anyone marking him in the future would be advised to wear a cup to protect their manhood.
In my mind Woods should have been sent off and the keeper booked, as M01 said these type of tackles are part and parcel of football and while I wouldn't condone it I believe they don't warrant a sending off. However Woods and McMenamins actions deserve serious punishment because they are cowardly, sly and done to provoke a reaction, which if delivered would see Woods and McMenamin going down like a sack of spuds to get the man sent off.
I think it is nonsense to look for consistency in all of this, we can't have TV cameras at every match so incidents are going to be missed in lower profile games but that doesn't in any way detract from the seriousness of fouls committed in the TV games. If players know that you could get suspended if caught on camera then these type of incidents will become less common. Arguing for consistency in this is like complaining about getting caught for drink driving in Dublin by saying there's lads in west Cork driving home drunk every night but they get away with it because there's fewer guards.
Quote from: orangeman on April 03, 2009, 05:01:01 PM
In this instance, Cork had had been well bet by KK and it was pointed out by the pundits that there wasn't much in it and sure they're good friends and it was just a bit of frustration on Tom's part, so no harm done.
Thanks om, but I'd be interested to hear what RaGS thinks, i.e., should he face the execution squad or not, given the gravity of his offence.
Kenny should have got more than four weeks, no doubt about it. I'll ask the question I asked earlier and got no anwer - was McMenamin's initial six weeks, then eight weeks ban for the 'pat' on Galvin's jewels and also for acting the eejit after the game.
Zulu's point about the consistency is well made. It is not feasible to have every game covered. Players should know if the game is on TV that they are liable to be caught doing stuff off the balll. But it does appear that in some cases (and I don't think it applies to McGuigan and McMenamin) that pundits seem to 'guide' the CCCC towards the 'right' course of action.
Also Zulu I can't say I agree that Woods' action was worse than McBennett. It was petty and it was unsporting but not worthy of a red card imho. I suppose that's the issue with consistency in applying the rules - it all comes down to judgement. And, the CCCC, like us all, are sure to have a variety of opinions on what is worthy of sanction and what isn't.
The way I look at it R&G, I'd rather stamp out the stuff Rory did than what Declan did, neither are exactly acceptable but i can live with keepers dishing out a bit of rough justice in the goal area.
Quote from: firstsub on April 03, 2009, 03:29:39 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on April 03, 2009, 10:57:49 AM
SML should be ashamed of himself in this. The simulation and throwing himself to the ground in 'agony' was a disgrace
Are you saying that the incident didn't happen?
Not at all and for what it is worth I agree that he should get a month suspension but the recent trend in GAA of dropping in agony at the slightest touch in order to get the other player suspended is shamefull stuff and SML is guilty. McG had intent but did not connect much. Sad really. :-\ All teams including Tyrone have guilty players.
pity this incident has overshaodwed the game. Best game of "real" football I've seen all year.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on April 03, 2009, 05:45:56 PM
Kenny should have got more than four weeks, no doubt about it. I'll ask the question I asked earlier and got no anwer - was McMenamin's initial six weeks, then eight weeks ban for the 'pat' on Galvin's jewels and also for acting the eejit after the game.
Zulu's point about the consistency is well made. It is not feasible to have every game covered. Players should know if the game is on TV that they are liable to be caught doing stuff off the balll. But it does appear that in some cases (and I don't think it applies to McGuigan and McMenamin) that pundits seem to 'guide' the CCCC towards the 'right' course of action.
Also Zulu I can't say I agree that Woods' action was worse than McBennett. It was petty and it was unsporting but not worthy of a red card imho. I suppose that's the issue with consistency in applying the rules - it all comes down to judgement. And, the CCCC, like us all, are sure to have a variety of opinions on what is worthy of sanction and what isn't.
but the monaghan game was televised
To al the Tyrone people saying we he did it as well, why is he not getting punished...
Why not get off your arse and lodge a complain with the CCCC asking for the situation to be looked at? Surely this will be more effective than crying about it on a GAA forum?? ??? ???
Cameras and citing commissioners could attend every league and championship match - I don't see a problem.
Who's going to provide all these cameras?
Quote from: Zulu on April 03, 2009, 06:36:00 PM
Who's going to provide all these cameras?
Whoever applies the rules -
So if the GAA provide their own cameras they're at liberty to use the footage to review games.
Suspensions shouldn't be handed out on the say so of a Television producer.
the same rules should apply to all
either they film every game and review all the refs calls or they dont you cant do it on one game and not the others which is whats happening at the minute
Neither can you have referees who interpret the rules to suit themselves which is what is happening at the minute.
Quote from: Zulu on April 03, 2009, 05:18:23 PM
However Woods and McMenamins actions deserve serious punishment because they are cowardly, sly and done to provoke a reaction, which if delivered would see Woods and McMenamin going down like a sack of spuds to get the man sent off.
I don't know about McMenamin, but i can't ever recall Woods going down like a sack of spuds to get man sent off and don't imagine he's the kind of player who would. Probably more likely to retaliate than fake injury.
QuoteWhoever applies the rules -
So if the GAA provide their own cameras they're at liberty to use the footage to review games.
Suspensions shouldn't be handed out on the say so of a Television producer.
Come off it now, RTE couldn't provide cameras at all the games let alone the GAA.
Quotethe same rules should apply to all
either they film every game and review all the refs calls or they dont you cant do it on one game and not the others which is whats happening at the minute
Utter nonsense, like I said before the seriousness of any incident isn't diminished by the knowledge that someone else may have gotten away with a similar thing by virtue of the fact that cameras weren't present.
QuoteNeither can you have referees who interpret the rules to suit themselves which is what is happening at the minute
What the hell does that mean? Refs have always made mistakes and interpreted incidents in a different way, if 10 GAAboard members reffed the same game i'd wager that you'd get 10 different games and there'd be many occassions where one of us would blow up for a foul and another wouldn't.
I wouldn't be losing sleep over what McMenamin or McGuigan did but they both deserve a suspension and whatever anyone else did in any other game doesn't change that fact. The 'but others do it as well' defence doesn't hold water.
Quote from: Zulu on April 03, 2009, 05:59:30 PM
The way I look at it R&G, I'd rather stamp out the stuff Rory did than what Declan did, neither are exactly acceptable but i can live with keepers dishing out a bit of rough justice in the goal area.
I know what you're saying but balls hanging in the air like that one between McBennett and Ronan Sweeney give the perfect chance for dirty players to do serious harm to opponents. Not saying that McBennett was trying to do this but he should have went for the ball, which he was favourite to get to. He shouldn't have got away with it.
Tyronefan I know the Monaghan game was televised and I've commented on what I saw in those games.
Recording every game isn't really feasible because it will be left to the counties involved to record the game and if there are any 'incidents', I reckon the tapes could get swollowed somehow . . .
But if you are deemed fit enough to be a county that is selected for a LIVE tv broadcast and with the extra exposure that that brings, comes extra responsibility.
Quote from: Zulu on April 03, 2009, 06:58:11 PM
QuoteWhoever applies the rules -
So if the GAA provide their own cameras they're at liberty to use the footage to review games.
Suspensions shouldn't be handed out on the say so of a Television producer.
Come off it now, RTE couldn't provide cameras at all the games let alone the GAA.
Quotethe same rules should apply to all
either they film every game and review all the refs calls or they dont you cant do it on one game and not the others which is whats happening at the minute
Utter nonsense, like I said before the seriousness of any incident isn't diminished by the knowledge that someone else may have gotten away with a similar thing by virtue of the fact that cameras weren't present.
QuoteNeither can you have referees who interpret the rules to suit themselves which is what is happening at the minute
What the hell does that mean? Refs have always made mistakes and interpreted incidents in a different way, if 10 GAAboard members reffed the same game i'd wager that you'd get 10 different games and there'd be many occassions where one of us would blow up for a foul and another wouldn't.
I wouldn't be losing sleep over what McMenamin or McGuigan did but they both deserve a suspension and whatever anyone else did in any other game doesn't change that fact. The 'but others do it as well' defence doesn't hold water.
I mean that you've got referees who under the new rules show yellow cards like confetti and then you've got others lads eg Jimmy White who don't show them at all.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on April 03, 2009, 07:03:07 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 03, 2009, 05:59:30 PM
The way I look at it R&G, I'd rather stamp out the stuff Rory did than what Declan did, neither are exactly acceptable but i can live with keepers dishing out a bit of rough justice in the goal area.
I know what you're saying but balls hanging in the air like that one between McBennett and Ronan Sweeney give the perfect chance for dirty players to do serious harm to opponents. Not saying that McBennett was trying to do this but he should have went for the ball, which he was favourite to get to. He shouldn't have got away with it.
Tyronefan I know the Monaghan game was televised and I've commented on what I saw in those games.
Recording every game isn't really feasible because it will be left to the counties involved to record the game and if there are any 'incidents', I reckon the tapes could get swollowed somehow . . .
But if you are deemed fit enough to be a county that is selected for a LIVE tv broadcast and with the extra exposure that that brings, comes extra responsibility.
I agree R&G so video evidence should not be used at all
I for one have not said that he should get off - but what I am saying is that there needs to be consistent approach to matters of indiscipline right across the board - the same punishments should apply whether it's a division 4 game or a division 1 game, cameras or no cameras, Sundat game or Setanta - it should not matter.
meaning Louth have had their share of problems in their own camp so would be better sorting their own problems before telling other people how to fix theirs.
didnt mean that you shouldn't offer your views just because you were from Louth ;)
where the f**k did I say you shouldn't give your opinion just because Louth are crap (your words)
I said that you would be better offering your views of about indiscipline to the current louth management as they seem to have had problems in that department
You're getting off topic lads -
Do we want a consistent approach involving a system that is open to scrutiny and is not based on an ad hoc set of guidlines such as we have now ? Yes or no ?
Enough already !
Quote from: orangeman on April 03, 2009, 08:07:59 PM
You're getting off topic lads -
Do we want a consistent approach involving a system that is open to scrutiny and is not based on an ad hoc set of guidlines such as we have now ? Yes or no ?
Well the simple answer is no because a consistent approach isn't feasible. I asked you who would provide the cameras and you said the GAA which I pointed out was unrealistic. Therefore in the absence of the GAA being able to cover all games surely it is better to deal with incidents in games that are caught rather than saying it isn't fair because it
may have happened in other games where there weren't cameras. Let me ask you and Tyronefan this, if Stephen O'Neill had his cheek bone smashed and his jaw broken after an off the ball punch from behind and the perpetrator was caught on camera but not by the match officials do you think the guilty party should face any punishment even though there weren't any cameras at a division 4 game and something similar happend there?
Quote from: Zulu on April 03, 2009, 09:16:37 PM
Quote from: orangeman on April 03, 2009, 08:07:59 PM
You're getting off topic lads -
Do we want a consistent approach involving a system that is open to scrutiny and is not based on an ad hoc set of guidlines such as we have now ? Yes or no ?
Well the simple answer is no because a consistent approach isn't feasible. I asked you who would provide the cameras and you said the GAA which I pointed out was unrealistic. Therefore in the absence of the GAA being able to cover all games surely it is better to deal with incidents in games that are caught rather than saying it isn't fair because it may have happened in other games where there weren't cameras. Let me ask you and Tyronefan this, if Stephen O'Neill had his cheek bone smashed and his jaw broken after an off the ball punch from behind and the perpetrator was caught on camera but not by the match officials do you think the guilty party should face any punishment even though there weren't any cameras at a division 4 game and something similar happend there?
I simply do NOT accept that it isn't feasible. We're a massive organisation - how many National league games and championship matches are played each year ???
Ok - if there's too many league games to cover, could we cover the championship matches ?? I'm not saying that breaches of discipline should not go unpunished at all.
With respect it is irrelevant whether you accept it or not but televising games is an expensive business so the GAA can't possibly provide cameras and the staff to man them for 25 - 40 (if hurling is played the same weekend) games each Sunday. They couldn't even do it for all championship matches but if they did then your consistency argument goes out the window anyway. The reality is it isn't possible but we can't or shouldn't turn a blind eye to the incidents that we do capture and if a player is caught then tough luck. It isn't a perfect system but it's better than no system which is, in effect, what you're proposing.
Quote from: Zulu on April 03, 2009, 09:45:38 PM
With respect it is irrelevant whether you accept it or not but televising games is an expensive business so the GAA can't possibly provide cameras and the staff to man them for 25 - 40 (if hurling is played the same weekend) games each Sunday. They couldn't even do it for all championship matches but if they did then your consistency argument goes out the window anyway. The reality is it isn't possible but we can't or shouldn't turn a blind eye to the incidents that we do capture and if a player is caught then tough luck. It isn't a perfect system but it's better than no system which is, in effect, what you're proposing.
Why couldn't we have cameras at all championship matches ??
Are there not cameras at all championship matches anyway ??
For God's sake, a lot of club league matches up here are being videoed every Sunday - and you're trying to tell me that Croke Park couldn't do it as it would be beyond them ?? Pull the other one.
So lets imagine it's the semi final of the Leinster Championship.
Louth v Dublin. A Louth man kicks a Dub off the ball, but the ref misses it. A skirmish starts and a Louth man punches one of the opponents. The ref again misses the incident. The match was live on RTE, and highlighted by the boys on the Sunday game. As such both Louth players are called to HQ for an investigation, and banned for four weeks. Both players miss the Leinster final, and impose a huge blow to Louth's chances of winning the Leinster crown.
Meath v Laois. The other semi final a week later, and a massive free for all takes place that takes time to calm down. Due to the fact that all 30 players are involved the ref cannot identify the protagonists, so sends no one off. The morning of the game, a strike by RTE means that the game is not covered. All the media at the game agree that it was one of the worst melees ever. No cameras... no one is banned.
So... Leaving out the imagination stretching required (And not just Louth in a Leinster final), would you be happy with this?
All championship games may be recorded but not with the same amount of cameras so not all games will get the same level of coverage and therefore a any incidents in a game in Croke Park will be far more likely to caught than those in a Muster football game involving Tipp and Waterford so your argument for consistency is still full of holes. You argued for consistency, now you only want championship games covered so your not arguing for consistency anymore, so what are you arguing? At the end of the day consistency isn't possible so we have this flawed system but at least some of the off the ball incidents are caught and fellas punished, that's the best we can do at the moment and so we should go with it.
QuoteSo lets imagine it's the semi final of the Leinster Championship.
Louth v Dublin. A Louth man kicks a Dub off the ball, but the ref misses it. A skirmish starts and a Louth man punches one of the opponents. The ref again misses the incident. The match was live on RTE, and highlighted by the boys on the Sunday game. As such both Louth players are called to HQ for an investigation, and banned for four weeks. Both players miss the Leinster final, and impose a huge blow to Louth's chances of winning the Leinster crown.
Meath v Laois. The other semi final a week later, and a massive free for all takes place that takes time to calm down. Due to the fact that all 30 players are involved the ref cannot identify the protagonists, so sends no one off. The morning of the game, a strike by RTE means that the game is not covered. All the media at the game agree that it was one of the worst melees ever. No cameras... no one is banned.
So... Leaving out the imagination stretching required (And not just Louth in a Leinster final), would you be happy with this?
Yes because the alternative is the scenario I painted with Stephen O'Neill and his broken jaw, we don't have the ability to catch all these incidents but we should deal with the ones we do.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on April 03, 2009, 05:45:56 PM
Kenny should have got more than four weeks, no doubt about it. I'll ask the question I asked earlier and got no anwer - was McMenamin's initial six weeks, then eight weeks ban for the 'pat' on Galvin's jewels and also for acting the eejit after the game.
Are you a Government Minister in disguise... such evasion, casuistry & sophistry. What should he have had, answer the very simple question please?
You stated clearly that the difference with Mc Menamin was the fact that it was Galvin's balls. Fair enough, there has been no Tyronie who said that he didn't deserve to get banned as a result thereof, and rightly so. And when we talk of 'consistency' we're not saying that every match should be scrutinised to the nth degree (more Jesuitisms), what we are saying is that when transgressions are registered, that they are subjected to the same sanctions.
Ricey's 'assault' was innocuous, totally wrong, but harmless nonetheless, i.e., there was no chance that Galvin's fatherhood would be compromised, bad and all that it was. Tom Kenny's (sorry Tom, nothing against you or Cork, just trying to demonstrate a point) could have done serious paternity damage to Cha Fitz, yet all you can say is 'he should have got more...'
Forget about the acting of the eejit, 6 weeks was still 2 weeks longer than someone who could have actually seriously injured someone. That's our problem.
Government minister! I won't take that as a compliment.
I wasn't sidetracking on Kenny because I didn't see the relevance, Kenny could have got three months, I reckon he deserved at least eight weeks (but it was at the end of the season so it would have had little effect - another issues altogether). McMenamin's 'pat' was four weeks. Did he not get the extra two weeks because of general tomfoolery? That question has been asked by me a lot earlier than you asked me about Kenny and I'm still awaiting an answer so there must be a lot of government ministers on this board :P
Fair enough - so it's a deeply flawed system but f--k it, it'll just have to do ?.
Its a victim of its own success. Very professional set up, amateur game. Cameras at big games all the time. If you want to be on the tv playing your sport at the top level,you may be a victim of trial by camera.
Its a joke system, but its how it is.
Quote from: Puckoon on April 03, 2009, 10:49:05 PM
Its a victim of its own success. Very professional set up, amateur game. Cameras at big games all the time. If you want to be on the tv playing your sport at the top level,you may be a victim of trial by camera.
Its a joke system, but its how it is.
That's it in a nutshell. I have said here previously that if there had been cameras at the Athletic grounds when an Armagh player assaulted a member of the Laois squad that I would have had no problem with him being disciplined and that he would have had to take his punishment.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on April 03, 2009, 10:41:29 PM
Government minister! I won't take that as a compliment.
And nor should you, it was the greatest insult I could think of! ;)
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on April 03, 2009, 10:41:29 PM
I wasn't sidetracking on Kenny because I didn't see the relevance, Kenny could have got three months, I reckon he deserved at least eight weeks (but it was at the end of the season so it would have had little effect - another issues altogether). McMenamin's 'pat' was four weeks. Did he not get the extra two weeks because of general tomfoolery? That question has been asked by me a lot earlier than you asked me about Kenny and I'm still awaiting an answer so there must be a lot of government ministers on this board :P
No, Mc Menamin in the first instance was given 6 weeks for the single incident with Galvin, the other two weeks came after reconsiderations by the other learned counsels (choke!). And when we talk of consistency we're also referring to those games where there actually is video footage (i.e., Monaghan), where the Association can act on their own oft-espoused initiative and act without the tabloid prompting of Setanta and RTE.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 03, 2009, 10:35:27 PM
Ricey's 'assault' was innocuous, totally wrong, but harmless nonetheless, i.e., there was no chance that Galvin's fatherhood would be compromised, bad and all that it was. Tom Kenny's (sorry Tom, nothing against you or Cork, just trying to demonstrate a point) could have done serious paternity damage to Cha Fitz, yet all you can say is 'he should have got more...'
both players should have received an automatic 1 year ban, at the very least. You just cant be going round feeling them bits. If it was a older man doing it to a younger fella outside of sport, our views would be very different.
Quote from: the green man on April 03, 2009, 11:56:03 PM
both players should have received an automatic 1 year ban, at the very least. You just cant be going round feeling them bits. If it was a older man doing it to a younger fella outside of sport, our views would be very different.
Let me get you straight: the capacity to do real damage as a consequence of your actions is neither here nor there in your book, right?
Quote from: the green man on April 03, 2009, 11:56:03 PM
outside of sport
But this WASN'T outside of sport, how often does that rather relevant fact have to be repeated?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 03, 2009, 11:58:41 PM
Let me get you straight: the capacity to do real damage as a consequence of your actions is neither here nor there in your book, right?
you may walk me through your argument here
Quote from: the green man on April 04, 2009, 12:02:43 AM
you may walk me through your argument here
Phew!.... Read back a few pages, but what you seem to be saying here is that malice aforethought counts for nothing in your mind. The law is an ass, but not half as big a one as you're making yourself out to be.
what i'm saying is that touching/grabbing/groping/lightly patting any mans balls is out of order, and cannot be tolerated or accepted, especially in our organisation. No matter who you do it to, no matter what age they are.
Quote from: the green man on April 04, 2009, 12:11:29 AM
what i'm saying is that touching/grabbing/groping/lightly patting any mans balls is out of order, and cannot be tolerated or accepted, especially in our organisation. No matter who you do it to, no matter what age they are.
Jeez, and who's arguing with you about that?
What I'm saying is, and this has an echo not just in common day jurisprudence, but also as far back as Brehon Law, for example, that there is a difference in insulting a man's dignity (Mc Menamin) and injuring a man's manliness (Kenny), and if you can't appreciate that there's a difference there, well, you're in the right thread.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 03, 2009, 11:58:41 PM
But this WASN'T outside of sport, how often does that rather relevant fact have to be repeated?
I really don't know how to respond to that. Is that you O'Neill? fecking laughing at us again.
Quote from: the green man on April 04, 2009, 12:17:57 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 03, 2009, 11:58:41 PM
But this WASN'T outside of sport, how often does that rather relevant fact have to be repeated?
I really don't know how to respond to that. Is that you O'Neill? fecking laughing at us again.
No, it's not ONeill, and he might be highly insulted there ;D or I might be ;)
Look, it's shit, you hypothesise, why, it was a f*cking SPORTING incident? It was on a sporting field, and guess what, your helpless victim - Paul Galvin - has been happy to let it all go by. Why, do you think? Seriously?
And you can't discern something that might actually cause you injury (Kenny) from something that couldn't possibly (Mc Menamin), and YOU think it's all the one.
And I'm not surprised you don't know how to respond, I'd be embarrassed too. :P
FoSB. Banging balls ( kenny ) tickling balls ( ricey ) . In my book, there is no difference. Hence why i said a one year ban should suffice.
Quote from: the green man on April 04, 2009, 12:38:41 AM
FoSB. Banging balls ( kenny ) tickling balls ( ricey ) . In my book, there is no difference. Hence why i said a one year ban should suffice.
When I'm done for manslaughter (TBD), I hope you're the judge. I'll plead: "'twas only a tickle with the scythe your honour, honest".
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 04, 2009, 12:41:57 AM
Quote from: the green man on April 04, 2009, 12:38:41 AM
FoSB. Banging balls ( kenny ) tickling balls ( ricey ) . In my book, there is no difference. Hence why i said a one year ban should suffice.
When I'm done for manslaughter (TBD), I hope you're the judge. I'll plead: "'twas only a tickle with the scythe your honour, honest".
So now you are agreeing with me. Thats a start. The 'tickling' part is a reference to youse boys, who cant bring themselves to write 'grab'.
Anyway, my point is that any 'gesture' toward the scrotum area is not acceptable. No matter who it is, no matter where its at, no matter who it involves. This is my last post on this, because I have a feeling you'll still try to defend it.
And according to you, an injury is neither here nor there. In fact, in your book, it's totally irrelevant. Interesting, but deadly, especially if one was unlucky enough to have been around at the time of Ivan the Terrible.
Ivan?...
Mr Stababe..there was more than one ricey incident that match...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWdJ7JuTaWE&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eyoutube%2Ecom%2Fuser%2Fniamhus77&feature=player_embedded
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 04, 2009, 01:17:35 AM
Mr Stababe..there was more than one ricey incident that match...
You know, it's notable that the best non-Tyrone posters on this board have steered well clear of this thread. And
you started it. *
* Let us see, the most bountiful contributors to this thread: Oakleafer93, ardmhachaabu, Mike Sheehy, the green man... Your honour, I respectfully rest my case.
(Omitted by the skin of your teeth
RedAndGreenSniper ;))
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 04, 2009, 01:44:22 AM
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 04, 2009, 01:17:35 AM
Mr Stababe..there was more than one ricey incident that match...
You know, it's notable that the best non-Tyrone posters on this board have steered well clear of this thread. And you started it. *
* Let us see, the most bountiful contributors to this thread: Oakleafer93, ardmhachaabu, Mike Sheehy, the green man... Your honour, I respectfully rest my case.
(Omitted by the skin of your teeth RedAndGreenSniper ;))
I aim to please
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 04, 2009, 01:44:22 AM
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 04, 2009, 01:17:35 AM
Mr Stababe..there was more than one ricey incident that match...
You know, it's notable that the best non-Tyrone posters on this board have steered well clear of this thread. And you started it. *
* Let us see, the most bountiful contributors to this thread: Oakleafer93, ardmhachaabu, Mike Sheehy, the green man... Your honour, I respectfully rest my case.
(Omitted by the skin of your teeth RedAndGreenSniper ;))
Yerra go easy on Mikey, sure he's back in the saddle again now with the recent influx of his class mates from
the other place :D
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 04, 2009, 01:44:22 AM
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 04, 2009, 01:17:35 AM
Mr Stababe..there was more than one ricey incident that match...
You know, it's notable that the best non-Tyrone posters on this board have steered well clear of this thread. And you started it. *
* Let us see, the most bountiful contributors to this thread: Oakleafer93, ardmhachaabu, Mike Sheehy, the green man... Your honour, I respectfully rest my case.
(Omitted by the skin of your teeth RedAndGreenSniper ;))
What an utterly stupid comment.
There are more Tyronies posting bullshit on this thread than anything else, I don't care to name them all
I am not going to trawl through the thread again, I will say that my contributions have been very few and mainly to say I agreed with other posters.
FoSB, this persecution complex that you and other Tyronies seem to have, it's not pretty or intelligent or anything else other than stupid and blind.
Whenever an Armagh man does wrong and gets punished, you won't hear me complain, ever.
Really honoured to be ommitted FoSB :P
Anyway there's a difference of opinion on McMenamin's ban but would it be fair to say that you agree McGuigan should get four weeks?
McMenamin getting six weeks and Tom Kenny only four is wrong, IF both bans were purely for below the belt blows. But I guess I'm jut not comfortable with a fella appealing a suspension after he hit someone in the balls because it was two weeks more than the norm. I''d be very embarrassed if I was him. But I'm gonna leave it at that, I've had my say and we're not going to agree so I'll park it.
QuoteYerra go easy on Mikey, sure he's back in the saddle again now with the recent influx of his class mates from the other place
you like the auld western imagery dont you dubya ? I suppose grabbing or kneeing testicles is something you support being a fully paid up fan of the George Bush fan club.....just another day in Abu Ghraib eh ?
Look, bottom line is that with Mcmenamin, McGuigan and Cavlan, Tyrone have cornered the market in players who engage in disreputable behavior, both on and off the pitch. When will Tyrone, and Mickey Harte, be called to task for the "system" that produces these "role-models". Add to this Doohers diving, Gormley and McMahon's goading, mugsys "w**ker" gesticulations as well as his staring down of the hill, and Colm Cavanagh declaring they are team of the decade minutes after the final whistle was blown in the the 2008 final (how crass!)......well, what can one do but despair for the youth of Tyrone if this is what they have to look up to.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on April 05, 2009, 05:10:37 AM
QuoteYerra go easy on Mikey, sure he's back in the saddle again now with the recent influx of his class mates from the other place
you like the auld western imagery dont you dubya ? I suppose grabbing or kneeing testicles is something you support being a fully paid up fan of the George Bush fan club.....just another day in Abu Ghraib eh ?
Thanks for cementing the very point I was making with yet more childish nonsensical drivel.
you can't hide your right wing republican leanings tyrones own.....go on, let yourself go, its ball grabbings and groin kneeing for all those leftie liberal types...godamm them and their obama positivity !
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on April 05, 2009, 05:25:30 AM
Look, bottom line is that with Mcmenamin, McGuigan and Cavlan, Tyrone have cornered the market in players who engage in disreputable behavior
Its true Mike, we're the best in the land when it comes to this kind of thing. It mirrors the football itself really as Kerry, with the likes of O'Mahoney and Galvin diving and Cooper demanding players be booked, are tucked in behind in second place.
I got fed up reading after about page 14 but i would like to add one point. Last year, the Tyrone county final between Dromore and Clonoe was televised live on TG4. Like all championship games (in all divisions) in Tyrone, the county board had their own camera at the game. As a result of a few incidents there were suspensions handed out after the game and rightly so. The county board used the evidence from their own camera and stated that if necessary they would seek copies of the coverage from TG4.
In my opinion this approach should be adopted throughout all League and Championship games. It would not be difficult to have one camera at each game and if an incident happens which is reported to the CCCC then their own coverage can be used. If by some chance the incident was not caught on their own camera but was on national TV, then the CCCC could request copies of the match involved to review the additional material available. I feel that all teams should begin on a even standard whereby there is at least one camera at the game.
as far as i know the tyrone county board had a camera at every senior championship match in all divisions last year
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on April 05, 2009, 02:59:34 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on April 05, 2009, 05:25:30 AM
Look, bottom line is that with Mcmenamin, McGuigan and Cavlan, Tyrone have cornered the market in players who engage in disreputable behavior
Its true Mike, we're the best in the land when it comes to this kind of thing. It mirrors the football itself really as Kerry, with the likes of O'Mahoney and Galvin diving and Cooper demanding players be booked, are tucked in behind in second place.
or Donaghy mouthing into refs faces all year when he isn't putting his middle finger up at the crowd..yada..yada
This video is the best though in Fairness!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-meYXF_WIA&feature=related
lads, lots of comments, lots of coccck being talked ::) Mickey Harte made the point that there have been 60 games played since McMenemins episode, yet this has been the first "incident of note" since that. Hes right ( again) , I started a thread on Selective video evidence right after "ballgate", and its clearly true, their was fucck all to the challenge, the usual march NFL BS thats been going on for years. My point in MY thread was that if one player gets suspended on Video evidence, then all intercounty games should be videoed, and assessed afterwards
Quotelads, lots of comments, lots of coccck being talked Mickey Harte made the point that there have been 60 games played since McMenemins episode, yet this has been the first "incident of note" since that. Hes right ( again) , I started a thread on Selective video evidence right after "ballgate", and its clearly true, their was fucck all to the challenge, the usual march NFL BS thats been going on for years. My point in MY thread was that if one player gets suspended on Video evidence, then all intercounty games should be videoed, and assessed afterwards
oh what a w**ker ::)
Quote from: cadhlancian on April 07, 2009, 05:07:21 AM
lads, lots of comments, lots of coccck being talked ::) Mickey Harte made the point that there have been 60 games played since McMenemins episode, yet this has been the first "incident of note" since that. Hes right ( again) , I started a thread on Selective video evidence right after "ballgate", and its clearly true, their was fucck all to the challenge, the usual march NFL BS thats been going on for years. My point in MY thread was that if one player gets suspended on Video evidence, then all intercounty games should be videoed, and assessed afterwards
I see you've taken a shine to Mickey's excellent use of brackets in his articles (hilarious).
I also noticed you obviously didnt see the Tommy incident - it wasn't a "challenge" as you so nicely put it. It was a knee raised into the groin.
It's probable that HQ's policy is to record all Tyrone games from every angle so they can create a catalougue of misdemenaours which would go unnoticed in other games to ensure Tyrone are handicapped at the business end of the season.
All this to prevent another embarrassing "annihilation nation" of the traditional big two Dublin & Kerry.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on April 07, 2009, 06:01:36 AM
Quotelads, lots of comments, lots of coccck being talked Mickey Harte made the point that there have been 60 games played since McMenemins episode, yet this has been the first "incident of note" since that. Hes right ( again) , I started a thread on Selective video evidence right after "ballgate", and its clearly true, their was fucck all to the challenge, the usual march NFL BS thats been going on for years. My point in MY thread was that if one player gets suspended on Video evidence, then all intercounty games should be videoed, and assessed afterwards
oh what a w**ker ::)
Mike I am afraid it is you that is coming across as the 'w**ker' here. You are as transparent as a sheet of glass. You dislike of all things Tyrone is laughable and obviously stems from Kerry's failings against Tyrone in the big matches that matter the last 5 or 6 years. You are acting like a child and you should gather up your toys and try to think constructively. What can Kerry do to beat Tyrone in the Championship? What must they change? This is where you should channel your energy. Then you will not look like such a 'w**ker' as you put it :-\
Quote from: EC Unique on April 07, 2009, 09:29:02 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on April 07, 2009, 06:01:36 AM
Quotelads, lots of comments, lots of coccck being talked Mickey Harte made the point that there have been 60 games played since McMenemins episode, yet this has been the first "incident of note" since that. Hes right ( again) , I started a thread on Selective video evidence right after "ballgate", and its clearly true, their was fucck all to the challenge, the usual march NFL BS thats been going on for years. My point in MY thread was that if one player gets suspended on Video evidence, then all intercounty games should be videoed, and assessed afterwards
oh what a w**ker ::)
Mike I am afraid it is you that is coming across as the 'w**ker' here. You are as transparent as a sheet of glass. You dislike of all things Tyrone is laughable and obviously stems from Kerry's failings against Tyrone in the big matches that matter the last 5 or 6 years. You are acting like a child and you should gather up your toys and try to think constructively. What can Kerry do to beat Tyrone in the Championship? What must they change? This is where you should channel your energy. Then you will not look like such a 'w**ker' as you put it :-\
have they changed to an open draw and i missed it? ;)
I would like to interject and point out that Tommy McGuigan fully deserves his ban and that the GAA are fully entitled to use any available video evidence to punish such incidents.
Much of the rest of this thread is irrelevant whataboutery.
I would disagree SS. Ban McGuigan, he prob deserves one. But that doesn't take away from the fact that all teams should be treated equally. Which I would suggest means that any misdemeanor in any game will be as likely to suffer the same consequences as any other game whether a televised game or not.
And I wouldn't see this as irrelevant given the nature of the thread.
Quote from: Shadylimp on April 02, 2009, 02:34:57 PM
Quote from: Tim Buzaglo on April 02, 2009, 01:47:12 PM
Quote from: orangeman on April 02, 2009, 01:35:52 PM
Tommy is not a dirty player and Sean Marty was giving him plenty of stick - I'm not trying to defend his actions but surely there has to be a consistent approach with regard to all of this video evidence stuff -
Last year Meath and Dublin played in the national league - it was on TG4 - there was a bit of a melee and very, very hefty suspensions were handed down. On the exact same day, Armagh played Cork in the national league in Crossmaglen and there was a melee but no action was taken as it wasn't on TV.
Surely the system needs changed ??
Or alternatively your lads could cut out the shite and behave like civilised human beings perhaps???? That way we wouldn't have to discuss these unsavoury incidents after all your games!!
There was a great picture in the tyrone times this week of sean marty lockhart with his knee in sean cavanaghs throat whilst cavanagh was on the ground. (lockhart with the ball in his hands too!) But sure the tyrone players were the only ones up to dirty tricks the other night. ::)
At last a Tyronie willing to tell the truth. ;) ;) Thank you ;D ;D
Quote from: under the bar on April 02, 2009, 11:40:59 AM
Invariably the bigger teams are the ones to suffer as a result since their gamea re the ones televised.
Still no word about Ciaran McKeever allegedly jumping the fence to punch a man's lights out then sneaking back over again to his seat. Indiscipline needs to be investigated whether incidents are televised or not.
Would anyone care to elaborate on this bit about Mckeever?
Sounds about right for that man.
Quote from: supersarsfields on April 07, 2009, 12:29:47 PM
I would disagree SS. Ban McGuigan, he prob deserves one. But that doesn't take away from the fact that all teams should be treated equally. Which I would suggest means that any misdemeanor in any game will be as likely to suffer the same consequences as any other game whether a televised game or not.
And I wouldn't see this as irrelevant given the nature of the thread.
There is already a thread on the selective use of video evidence http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=11359.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=11359.0). This thread IMO is solely about Tommy McGuigan's ban.
Well we'll have to disagree on that then SS. It's hardly a large jump going from discussing someone getting a ban based on TV footage to discussing how TV footage is affecting games.
QuoteMike I am afraid it is you that is coming across as the 'w**ker' here. You are as transparent as a sheet of glass. You dislike of all things Tyrone is laughable and obviously stems from Kerry's failings against Tyrone in the big matches that matter the last 5 or 6 years. You are acting like a child and you should gather up your toys and try to think constructively. What can Kerry do to beat Tyrone in the Championship? What must they change? This is where you should channel your energy. Then you will not look like such a 'w**ker' as you put it
look through Cadlachan's previous posts and all will be revealed.
QuoteWhat can Kerry do to beat Tyrone in the Championship? What must they change?
They need to get a lot more cynical and basically do whatever it takes to win. I dont think they have crossed that threshold yet...its hard to get players like
Reidy or Young to go around shouting in fellas faces etc, its just not in their nature.
Quote from: supersarsfields on April 07, 2009, 12:29:47 PM
I would disagree SS. Ban McGuigan, he prob deserves one. But that doesn't take away from the fact that all teams should be treated equally. Which I would suggest means that any misdemeanor in any game will be as likely to suffer the same consequences as any other game whether a televised game or not.
And I wouldn't see this as irrelevant given the nature of the thread.
Agreed, anyone who knees an opponent in the nuts should get banned no matter who they play for. Tyrone need to realise it is not a campaign against them, it is their lack of discipline which is the problem but sure Mickey will blame a media campaign instead of telling his players to wise up. Is omagh the common denominator in all these incidents?? Now we know why Mickey wants to take Armagh game to Croker
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on April 07, 2009, 07:49:20 PM
QuoteWhat can Kerry do to beat Tyrone in the Championship? What must they change?
They need to get a lot more cynical and basically do whatever it takes to win. I dont think they have crossed that threshold yet...its hard to get players like
Reidy or Young to go around shouting in fellas faces etc, its just not in their nature.
Kerry need to get even more cynical? Now that is a laugh. Ask Billy Morgan about Kerry and cynicism, watch the carry on just before half time in the all ireland final and you will see all you want to see about kerry and cynicism. As long as things are going their way all's grand but once it gets tough you see a different side to them. I watched The Gooch and Donaghy in Parnell Park and several others, and it was fun watching their carry on when things were not going their way.The whiter than whites, defenders of all that is good and great in the game? Don't make me laugh. By the way you besmirch the name of one of the greatest gaelic footballers of all time everytime you post with your anti northern rubbish.
QuoteKerry need to get even more cynical? Now that is a laugh. Ask Billy Morgan about Kerry and cynicism, watch the carry on just before half time in the all ireland final and you will see all you want to see about kerry and cynicism. As long as things are going their way all's grand but once it gets tough you see a different side to them. I watched The Gooch and Donaghy in Parnell Park and several others, and it was fun watching their carry on when things were not going their way.The whiter than whites, defenders of all that is good and great in the game? Don't make me laugh. By the way you besmirch the name of one of the greatest gaelic footballers of all time everytime you post with your anti northern rubbish.
I trust you'll share these views in Killarney in a few weeks time.....or will you just bore everybody there with how much better Scor is in the North and why its such a scandal that its being held in kerry again.
Did I strike a nerve there Mike? Truth is truth whether it is in Killarney, Cork, Belfast or wherever.As for scor being better in the north than anywhere else, I would not claim to be a judge of that but I would say that 5 out of 8 All Ireland titles went to the nine counties of Ulster last year so I suppose that is something. But we must not get complacent in our little province, there is so much work still to be done before we head off to meet our cynical cousins in Killarney next weekend.
Feel free to join us if you can afford the 22 Euro ;D
Does anyone think that if this hadn't been on setanta would this have been noticed?
Quote from: HokeyPokey on April 08, 2009, 01:40:36 PM
Does anyone think that if this hadn't been on setanta would this have been noticed?
I noticed it because it happened right in front of me.
QuoteDid I strike a nerve there Mike? Truth is truth whether it is in Killarney, Cork, Belfast or wherever.As for scor being better in the north than anywhere else, I would not claim to be a judge of that but I would say that 5 out of 8 All Ireland titles went to the nine counties of Ulster last year so I suppose that is something. But we must not get complacent in our little province, there is so much work still to be done before we head off to meet our cynical cousins in Killarney next weekend.
Feel free to join us if you can afford the 22 Euro
Oh, thats right, I forgot that you invented Scor 8 years ago on top of your invention of Gaelic Football circa 2002. Its a only a matter of time before you invent hurling.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on April 07, 2009, 07:49:20 PM
QuoteWhat can Kerry do to beat Tyrone in the Championship? What must they change?
They need to get a lot more cynical and basically do whatever it takes to win. I dont think they have crossed that threshold yet...its hard to get players like
Reidy or Young to go around shouting in fellas faces etc, its just not in their nature.
Sorry Mike, gotta call you on that. I think you're looking at your county with green and gold tinted specs. There's few more vitriolic and in your face than Donaghy. I dunno how he gets away with it.
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Sorry Mike, gotta call you on that. I think you're looking at your county with green and gold tinted specs. There's few more vitriolic and in your face than Donaghy. I dunno how he gets away with it.
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Come on now give poor Mike a break, that man is the defender of all that is holy and sacred in The GAA ::). Of course he has green and gold tainted glasses, most supporters do when it comes to people pointing out the slightest flaws that they , and only they, could feel exist in their players. By the way just wondering in these days of economic hardship if Mac Donalds have been in touch regarding advertising space for that big chip on your shoulder Mike? Would they call it A Big Mike? Bring it along to the scor and wear it like a sandwich board and perhaps you could earn the old 22 euro admission that way? ;D
QuoteCome on now give poor Mike a break, that man is the defender of all that is holy and sacred in The GAA . Of course he has green and gold tainted glasses, most supporters do when it comes to people pointing out the slightest flaws that they , and only they, could feel exist in their players. By the way just wondering in these days of economic hardship if Mac Donalds have been in touch regarding advertising space for that big chip on your shoulder Mike? Would they call it A Big Mike? Bring it along to the scor and wear it like a sandwich board and perhaps you could earn the old 22 euro admission that way?
Listen, I'll just give you the 22Euro if you'll stop whinging about it. Jesus you lads are as tight as f**k.
A weekend away from that kip your from , and spending it in heavens reflex....not sure why you are complaining except that you are from Tymoan and thats what you do.
Better than being from Cryie ;)
Heard on Athlone local radio tonight that McGuigan got 4 weeks this evening. Dunno how they heard it before any other station
Quote from: jodyb on April 09, 2009, 10:52:55 PM
Heard on Athlone local radio tonight that McGuigan got 4 weeks this evening. Dunno how they heard it before any other station
The tone is set for the year .If the cameras are about then every one must behave . Once there is consistency I have no major problem with the video (or dvd) evidence been used but I hope that the authorities do not get carried away .Hurling seem to just get on with it
Quote from: johnpower on April 09, 2009, 11:43:55 PM
Quote from: jodyb on April 09, 2009, 10:52:55 PM
Heard on Athlone local radio tonight that McGuigan got 4 weeks this evening. Dunno how they heard it before any other station
The tone is set for the year .If the cameras are about then every one must behave . Once there is consistency I have no major problem with the video (or dvd) evidence been used but I hope that the authorities do not get carried away .Hurling seem to just get on with it
They didnt behave in the Monaghan Kildare game when the camera's were about and that didnt seem to matter. Seems most counties are safe from the use of video evidence.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 09, 2009, 11:49:39 PM
Quote from: johnpower on April 09, 2009, 11:43:55 PM
Quote from: jodyb on April 09, 2009, 10:52:55 PM
Heard on Etheline local radio tonight that McGowan got 4 weeks this evening. Dunno how they heard it before any other station
The tone is set for the year .If the cameras are about then every one must behave . Once there is consistency I have no major problem with the video (or DOD) evidence been used but I hope that the authorities do not get carried away .Hurling seem to just get on with it
They didn't behave in the Monaghan Kildare game when the camera's were about and that didnt seem to matter. Seems most counties are safe from the use of video evidence.
Missed that one was away was it bad ? I hope it is not applied to only high profile games or teams
Quote from: johnpower on April 09, 2009, 11:43:55 PM
The tone is set for the year .If the cameras are about then every one must behave . Once there is consistency I have no major problem with the video (or dvd) evidence been used but I hope that the authorities do not get carried away .Hurling seem to just get on with it
Exactly John, and therein lies the rub.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 09, 2009, 11:49:39 PM
Quote from: johnpower on April 09, 2009, 11:43:55 PM
Quote from: jodyb on April 09, 2009, 10:52:55 PM
Heard on Athlone local radio tonight that McGuigan got 4 weeks this evening. Dunno how they heard it before any other station
The tone is set for the year .If the cameras are about then every one must behave . Once there is consistency I have no major problem with the video (or dvd) evidence been used but I hope that the authorities do not get carried away .Hurling seem to just get on with it
They didnt behave in the Monaghan Kildare game when the camera's were about and that didnt seem to matter. Seems most counties are safe from the use of video evidence.
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Quote from: johnpower on April 09, 2009, 11:52:25 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 09, 2009, 11:49:39 PM
Quote from: johnpower on April 09, 2009, 11:43:55 PM
Quote from: jodyb on April 09, 2009, 10:52:55 PM
Heard on Etheline local radio tonight that McGowan got 4 weeks this evening. Dunno how they heard it before any other station
The tone is set for the year .If the cameras are about then every one must behave . Once there is consistency I have no major problem with the video (or DOD) evidence been used but I hope that the authorities do not get carried away .Hurling seem to just get on with it
They didn't behave in the Monaghan Kildare game when the camera's were about and that didnt seem to matter. Seems most counties are safe from the use of video evidence.
Missed that one was away was it bad ? I hope it is not applied to only high profile games or teams
There was 2 or 3 incidents that were at least as bad as the Tyrone game. They were highlighted that night by RTE but there wasnt another word about them after it. Maguire01 admitted after it that he would have no problem if the players were suspended for the nasty incidents. Tyrone have a right to be extremely angry over this. There can be no justification for the selective use of video evidence. There was another incident in the Tyrone Derry game involving a Derry player that easily could have been picked up on but wasnt. The anti Ulster/Tyrone bias on Setanta matches is also not on and I hope they never get there hands on championship games unless there are major changes there.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 10, 2009, 12:18:38 PM
Quote from: johnpower on April 09, 2009, 11:52:25 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 09, 2009, 11:49:39 PM
Quote from: johnpower on April 09, 2009, 11:43:55 PM
Quote from: jodyb on April 09, 2009, 10:52:55 PM
Heard on Etheline local radio tonight that McGowan got 4 weeks this evening. Dunno how they heard it before any other station
The tone is set for the year .If the cameras are about then every one must behave . Once there is consistency I have no major problem with the video (or DOD) evidence been used but I hope that the authorities do not get carried away .Hurling seem to just get on with it
They didn't behave in the Monaghan Kildare game when the camera's were about and that didnt seem to matter. Seems most counties are safe from the use of video evidence.
Missed that one was away was it bad ? I hope it is not applied to only high profile games or teams
There was 2 or 3 incidents that were at least as bad as the Tyrone game. They were highlighted that night by RTE but there wasnt another word about them after it. Maguire01 admitted after it that he would have no problem if the players were suspended for the nasty incidents. Tyrone have a right to be extremely angry over this. There can be no justification for the selective use of video evidence. There was another incident in the Tyrone Derry game involving a Derry player that easily could have been picked up on but wasnt. The anti Ulster/Tyrone bias on Setanta matches is also not on and I hope they never get there hands on championship games unless there are major changes there.
What was this Tyrone Dreamer?
Wonder will the CCCCCCCCC be looking to upgrade Marc O'Se yellow card for punching a guy in the face to a red, causing him to miss the quarter final.
No? Thought not, such rules are only for 'da Nordies'
They haven't even met yet, and sure they are waiting to watch The Sunday Game to see what they say about it and then make their decisions on what they see there.