Another year another competition, hope this one isn't as controversial as last years, justifiably after their showing in the McKenna Cup, QUB go in as favourites...
ULSTER BANK SIGERSON CUP 2009
ALL MATCHES AT 2.00pm UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED - [E.T. if necessary]
Round 1 - 28.01.09
(St Mary's, BMC, IT Carlow, DKIT, UL, IT Tralee, AIT, GMIT, NUIM)
A: IT Tralee v Athlone IT
B: St Mary's Belfast v Carlow IT
C: NUI Maynooth v University of Limerick
D: BMC v Dundalk IT
E: GMIT Bye
Round 2 - 04.02.09
UCD v Maynooth or Limerick
Queen's v UUJ
Belfast MC or Dundalk v Garda College
DIT v Tralee or Athlone
GMIT v UCC
IT Sligo v Dublin City University
Paddy Power Odds:
QUB 5-2
DCU 4-1
Gardai 4-1
Poly 5-1
UCC 8-1
NUIG 10-1
St Marys 12-1
DIT 14-1
Cork IT 16-1
UL 18-1
UCD 20-1
Sligo IT 25-1
GMIT 25-1
Carlow IT 33-1
IT Tralee 50-1
Athlone IT 80-1
NUI Maynooth 80-1
Dundalk IT 80-1
St Mary's College and Belfast Metropolitan College are both in Ulster Bank Sigerson Cup action in Belfast on Wednesday (1400 GMT).
Belfast Met will face Dundalk IT at St Paul's ground on the Shaw's Road while Paddy Tally's St Mary's team take on Carlow IT at St Agnes'
St Mary's will be strong favourites to advance to a second-round meeting next week with NUI Galway.
Belfast Met are hoping to earn a second-round clash with Garda College.
St Mary's should go into the varsity championship in good heart after producing impressive displays in their final two Gaelic Life McKenna Cup games.
The Ranch defeated Monaghan at Emyvale and were then edged out by only a point by Tyrone at Healy Park.
St Gall's youngster CJ McGourty has been in tremendous form for Mary's in recent weeks, having struck the decisive goal against Monaghan and then tallied 2-5 against the All-Ireland champions.
But while McGourty is a key player for Mary's, the Falls Road outfit have talent all over the pitch.
The squad includes Tyrone All-Ireland winner Justin McMahon, and Dromore's Sean O'Neill, who has been called up by Mickey Harte for Saturday's opening Allianz NFL game against Dublin.
Fermanagh talent Brian Og Maguire, Armagh player Paul Keenan, Antrim panelist Kevin Niblock and Derry player Barry McGoldrick are also part of the Ranch squad.
The two Belfast games are among five first-round ties taking place on Wednesday.
Second-round games on 4 February include the heavyweight battle of Queen's and UUJ which will take place at Dub (1400).
A few odd things in those odds.
Did DCU not beat queens out the gate in the ryan cup quarter final?
The guards won the ryan cup at a canter, including beating DCU out the gate?
Hosts CIT would be the value~?
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 28, 2009, 10:29:22 AM
Belfast Met will face Dundalk IT at St Agnes' while Paddy Tally's St Mary's team take on Carlow IT at the St Paul's ground on the Shaw's Road.
Stop mixing the pitches up for matches and causing people to go to the wrong one.
Quote from: The GAA on January 28, 2009, 10:33:57 AM
A few odd things in those odds.
Did DCU not beat queens out the gate in the ryan cup quarter final?
The guards won the ryan cup at a canter, including beating DCU out the gate?
Hosts CIT would be the value~?
The odds the last few years for these things seem to rely heavily on the January competitions, the Ryan Cup doesn't get as big a factor as it should get...
Quote from: drici on January 28, 2009, 10:36:45 AM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 28, 2009, 10:29:22 AM
Belfast Met will face Dundalk IT at St Agnes' while Paddy Tally's St Mary's team take on Carlow IT at the St Paul's ground on the Shaw's Road.
Stop mixing the pitches up for matches and causing people to go to the wrong one.
Copied from the BBC, don't get your knickers in a twist.
Suspected it was a piece of churnalism - always check stuff or put in where it came from if you are not prepared to take responsibility for it after posting it with no reference - reverse the pitches to get the correct match.
Looking forward to QUB V UUJ, have booked a half day of work. Queens would be big favourites I'd imagine, but it's the sort of game where favouritism matters very little, vernon will be man marked.
queens should win this comeptition, easily the best side in it.
Quote from: The GAA on January 28, 2009, 10:33:57 AM
A few odd things in those odds.
Did DCU not beat queens out the gate in the ryan cup quarter final?
The guards won the ryan cup at a canter, including beating DCU out the gate?
Hosts CIT would be the value~?
I think you're right there - It was played under lights at the Athletic grounds - QUB took a hammering that night from an in form DCU - Queens seem to have improved significantly since.
Quote from: bennydorano on January 28, 2009, 11:07:27 AM
Looking forward to QUB V UUJ, have booked a half day of work. Queens would be big favourites I'd imagine, but it's the sort of game where favouritism matters very little, vernon will be man marked.
Have the wednesday and the Thursday booked off myself, get a breakfast somewhere head to the match then for a few drinks after the match
Should be a good match, no matter about the odds UUJ will always up their game against QUB and vice versa, the quarter final last eyar was one of the best I have seen in ages.
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 28, 2009, 11:47:20 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 28, 2009, 11:07:27 AM
Looking forward to QUB V UUJ, have booked a half day of work. Queens would be big favourites I'd imagine, but it's the sort of game where favouritism matters very little, vernon will be man marked.
Have the wednesday and the Thursday booked off myself, get a breakfast somewhere head to the match then for a few drinks after the match
Should be a good match, no matter about the odds UUJ will always up their game against QUB and vice versa, the quarter final last eyar was one of the best I have seen in ages.
Ditto, haven't the Thursday booked off yet.
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 12:55:29 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 28, 2009, 11:47:20 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 28, 2009, 11:07:27 AM
Looking forward to QUB V UUJ, have booked a half day of work. Queens would be big favourites I'd imagine, but it's the sort of game where favouritism matters very little, vernon will be man marked.
Have the wednesday and the Thursday booked off myself, get a breakfast somewhere head to the match then for a few drinks after the match
Should be a good match, no matter about the odds UUJ will always up their game against QUB and vice versa, the quarter final last eyar was one of the best I have seen in ages.
Ditto, haven't the Thursday booked off yet.
I just couldn't face work the thursday with a hangover, plus there is the chance I could go back on the drink the thursday...
Is the match in Casement?
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 28, 2009, 01:48:04 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 12:55:29 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 28, 2009, 11:47:20 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 28, 2009, 11:07:27 AM
Looking forward to QUB V UUJ, have booked a half day of work. Queens would be big favourites I'd imagine, but it's the sort of game where favouritism matters very little, vernon will be man marked.
Have the wednesday and the Thursday booked off myself, get a breakfast somewhere head to the match then for a few drinks after the match
Should be a good match, no matter about the odds UUJ will always up their game against QUB and vice versa, the quarter final last eyar was one of the best I have seen in ages.
Ditto, haven't the Thursday booked off yet.
I just couldn't face work the thursday with a hangover, plus there is the chance I could go back on the drink the thursday...
Is the match in Casement?
No the DUB, do you know the time.
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 01:51:32 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 28, 2009, 01:48:04 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 12:55:29 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 28, 2009, 11:47:20 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 28, 2009, 11:07:27 AM
Looking forward to QUB V UUJ, have booked a half day of work. Queens would be big favourites I'd imagine, but it's the sort of game where favouritism matters very little, vernon will be man marked.
Have the wednesday and the Thursday booked off myself, get a breakfast somewhere head to the match then for a few drinks after the match
Should be a good match, no matter about the odds UUJ will always up their game against QUB and vice versa, the quarter final last eyar was one of the best I have seen in ages.
Ditto, haven't the Thursday booked off yet.
I just couldn't face work the thursday with a hangover, plus there is the chance I could go back on the drink the thursday...
Is the match in Casement?
No the DUB, do you know the time.
guessing two or half two... love matches up at the dub, apart from the inevitable pushing
Plus you get to see QUB LaLaLa fall around the show.
Dub is cracking for being right on top of the pitch.
Who plays for BIFHE this year?
Quote from: Gold on January 28, 2009, 02:00:48 PM
Who plays for BIFHE this year?
Dundalk.
BIFHE are Belfast Met something now
Corn and Nail use are a pair of wankers. I cant get the Thurs off or even the half day wed to go and watch it. Hope it pisses.
Quote from: SidelineKick on January 28, 2009, 02:08:41 PM
Corn and Nail use are a pair of w**kers. I cant get the Thurs off or even the half day wed to go and watch it. Hope it pisses.
I am in the Thursday. Get away at lunch time!
Quote from: hardstation on January 28, 2009, 02:08:17 PM
Quote from: AFS on January 28, 2009, 02:04:45 PM
Quote from: Gold on January 28, 2009, 02:00:48 PM
Who plays for BIFHE this year?
Dundalk.
BIFHE are Belfast Met something now
Dundalk play for Belfast Met?
:-[
Hmmmm, should really read stuff more closely shouldn't I
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 02:13:24 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on January 28, 2009, 02:08:41 PM
Corn and Nail use are a pair of w**kers. I cant get the Thurs off or even the half day wed to go and watch it. Hope it pisses.
I am in the Thursday. Get away at lunch time!
I never thought of that corn ::) its like trying to escape from prison. Hmmm, if I dressed up as a woman....
St. Mary's 2-09
Carlow 1-08
*thank you hardstation
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 28, 2009, 10:29:22 AM
St Mary's College and Belfast Metropolitan College are both in Ulster Bank Sigerson Cup action in Belfast on Wednesday (1400 GMT).
Belfast Met will face Dundalk IT at St Paul's ground on the Shaw's Road while Paddy Tally's St Mary's team take on Carlow IT at St Agnes'
Most unfair Our Nail putting misinformation like that on the Board.
St Mary's were playing Carlow IT at St Paul's pitch on Shaws Road.
Hope no one missed the match because of you.
Quote from: drici on January 28, 2009, 03:51:34 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 28, 2009, 10:29:22 AM
St Mary's College and Belfast Metropolitan College are both in Ulster Bank Sigerson Cup action in Belfast on Wednesday (1400 GMT).
Belfast Met will face Dundalk IT at St Paul's ground on the Shaw's Road while Paddy Tally's St Mary's team take on Carlow IT at St Agnes'
Most unfair Our Nail putting misinformation like that on the Board.
St Mary's were playing Carlow IT at St Paul's pitch on Shaws Road.
Hope no one missed the match because of you.
That's the way of him Drici.
Quote from: drici on January 28, 2009, 03:51:34 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 28, 2009, 10:29:22 AM
St Mary's College and Belfast Metropolitan College are both in Ulster Bank Sigerson Cup action in Belfast on Wednesday (1400 GMT).
Belfast Met will face Dundalk IT at St Paul's ground on the Shaw's Road while Paddy Tally's St Mary's team take on Carlow IT at St Agnes'
Most unfair Our Nail putting misinformation like that on the Board.
St Mary's were playing Carlow IT at St Paul's pitch on Shaws Road.
Hope no one missed the match because of you.
I hope they did.
The woman in Corrib Avenue flats was not pleased with getting the match with the bigger crowd.
She can't take much more.
Quote from: drici on January 28, 2009, 03:51:34 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 28, 2009, 10:29:22 AM
St Mary's College and Belfast Metropolitan College are both in Ulster Bank Sigerson Cup action in Belfast on Wednesday (1400 GMT).
Belfast Met will face Dundalk IT at St Paul's ground on the Shaw's Road while Paddy Tally's St Mary's team take on Carlow IT at St Agnes'
Most unfair Our Nail putting misinformation like that on the Board.
St Mary's were playing Carlow IT at St Paul's pitch on Shaws Road.
Hope no one missed the match because of you.
The Irish News can take part of the blame for that. They had the St. Mary's match down for St. Agnes today with the Belfast Met game down for St. Paul's.
The BBC takes a lot of stuf from Irish News so thats probably how the mix up came around.
It doesn't help that Our Nail is a p***k either :-\
Anyone at the St. Mary's game? How did McGourty and Mcmahon get on?
Going by Hardstation CJ got one of the goals.
Ulster Bank Sigerson Cup Round 1 Results
Athlone IT 2-7 IT Tralee 0-6
St Mary's Belfast 2-9 IT Carlow 1-8
University of Limerick 2-12 NUI Maynooth 3-5
Dundalk IT 0-10 BMC 0-7
UL had a decent win over a hardworking but poor Maynooth today, UL without the injured Enda Varley were very poor in the first half but picked it up in the second to run out convincing winners. Maynooth got two of their goals from the spot, neither of which were peno's IMO and the second one was more or less the last kick of the game. Interestingly UL got their goal from a peno also, I can't remember the last game I saw with 3 goals from penalty's. If UL are to progress much further they'll have to improve dramatically.
The team Dundalk IT defeated yesterday..BMC
Belfast metropolitan College any one have any information on them...
are they a new college and how have they qualified for the top level sigerson??
and do they possess any players of note?
Quote from: mattockranger on January 29, 2009, 11:49:56 AM
The team Dundalk IT defeated yesterday..BMC
Belfast metropolitan College any one have any information on them...
are they a new college and how have they qualified for the top level sigerson??
and do they possess any players of note?
It is just a new name for BIFHE... Think Ryan Mellon from Tyrone was one of their coaches last year, not sure about this year... Had a look at the team in the paper today, doesn't have many stand out names...
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 29, 2009, 12:06:36 PM
Quote from: mattockranger on January 29, 2009, 11:49:56 AM
The team Dundalk IT defeated yesterday..BMC
Belfast metropolitan College any one have any information on them...
are they a new college and how have they qualified for the top level sigerson??
and do they possess any players of note?
It is just a new name for BIFHE... Think Ryan Mellon from Tyrone was one of their coaches last year, not sure about this year... Had a look at the team in the paper today, doesn't have many stand out names...
Niall McGinn played for them, don;t know if he still does.
Did CJ go there for a year?
David McGreevy from Teconnaught in Down plays for Belfast Met. He has never been selected on any underage squads in the county but he is one hell of a player and probably one of their main men.
Anyone got the St Marys team?
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It is just a new name for BIFHE... Think Ryan Mellon from Tyrone was one of their coaches last year, not sure about this year... Had a look at the team in the paper today, doesn't have many stand out names...
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What paper?
Queen's match at 2 on Wednesday.
Quote from: mattockranger on January 29, 2009, 12:33:22 PM
It is just a new name for BIFHE... Think Ryan Mellon from Tyrone was one of their coaches last year, not sure about this year... Had a look at the team in the paper today, doesn't have many stand out names...
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What paper?
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Irish News
Quote from: corn02 on January 29, 2009, 12:22:05 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 29, 2009, 12:06:36 PM
Quote from: mattockranger on January 29, 2009, 11:49:56 AM
The team Dundalk IT defeated yesterday..BMC
Belfast metropolitan College any one have any information on them...
are they a new college and how have they qualified for the top level sigerson??
and do they possess any players of note?
It is just a new name for BIFHE... Think Ryan Mellon from Tyrone was one of their coaches last year, not sure about this year... Had a look at the team in the paper today, doesn't have many stand out names...
Niall McGinn played for them, don;t know if he still does.
Did CJ go there for a year?
No I think he was straight to St Marys...
Quote from: full back on January 29, 2009, 12:32:48 PM
Anyone got the St Marys team?
From Irish News:
B Mullan, K O' Boyle, C McElhone, M Digney, S O'Neill, J McMahon (capt), B Og Maguire, M McKenna, G O'Neill, N McSherry, K Niblock (0-02, one free), B McGoldrick , CJ McGourty (1-6, one free), J Kelly (1-1), M Pollock
The full-back McElhone...? Was he full back for the tyrone minors a few seasons back? An omagh man ??
Quote from: mattockranger on January 29, 2009, 01:21:13 PM
The full-back McElhone...? Was he full back for the tyrone minors a few seasons back? An omagh man ??
Yes he is an omagh player!
Odds for wednesday from Paddy Power
Queens 4-7 Poly 7-4
Revised outright:
QUB 5-2
DCU 4-1
Gardai 4-1
UUJ 5-1
UCC 8-1
NUIG 10-1
St Marys 10-1
DIT 14-1
CIT 14-1
UL 18-1
UCD 20-1
Sligo IT 25-1
GMIT 25-1
FIXTURES FOR THIS WEEK
TUESDAY 3rd FEBRUARY
14:00 Ulster Bank Corn na Mac Léinn Round 1 – Tipp Inst/St. Pat's v GMIT Castlebar @ Thurles
14:00 Ulster Bank Corn na Mac Léinn Round 1 – GMIT Letterfrack v Froebel College @ Kiltoom
14:00 Ulster Bank Corn na Mac Léinn Round 1 – Mater Dei v Marino College @ Clonliffe Road
14:00 Ulster Bank Corn na Mac Léinn Round 1 – DLIADT v Stranmillis College @ Cuala
14:45 Ulster Bank Corn na Mac Léinn Round 1 – RCSI v Cadets @ Santry
14:00 Ulster Bank HE Freshers Hurling Div 1 Chship – Cork IT v UCD @ Cork IT
14:00 Ulster Bank HE Freshers B Hurling Chship Qtr-Final – WIT v UL @ WIT
14:00 Ulster Bank HE Freshers B Hurling Chship Qtr-Final – NUIG v UCD @ Dangan
14:00 Ulster Bank HE Freshers B Hurling Chship Qtr-Final – UCC v LIT @ The Farm
14:00 Ulster Bank HE Freshers B Hurling Chship Qtr-Final – DIT v CIT @ Grangegorman
14:00 Ulster Bank HE Freshers B Football League-Chship – UL v UCD @ UL
WEDNESDAY 4th FEBRUARY
14:00 Ulster Bank Sigerson Cup Round 2 – UCD v UL @ Belfield
14:00 Ulster Bank Sigerson Cup Round 2 – QUB v UUJ @ The Dub
14:00 Ulster Bank Sigerson Cup Round 2 – DKIT v Garda College @ Dundalk
14:00 Ulster Bank Sigerson Cup Round 2 – St. Mary's v NUI Galway @ Belfast
14:00 Ulster Bank Sigerson Cup Round 2 – DIT v Athlone IT @ Grangegorman
14:00 Ulster Bank Sigerson Cup Round 2 – GMIT v UCC @ Galway
14:00 Ulster Bank Sigerson Cup Round 2 – IT Sligo v DCU @ Sligo
14:00 Ulster Bank Trench Cup Round 1 – Limerick IT v Waterford IT @ Limerick IT
14:00 Ulster Bank Trench Cup Round 1 – St. Pat's Drumcondra v Letterkenny IT @ Drumcondra
14:00 Ulster Bank Trench Cup Round 1 – TCD v NCI @ Santry
14:00 Ulster Bank Further Education Round 1 – Cork Colleges of FE v Inchicore College @ Cork
14:00 Ulster Bank HE Freshers Hurling Div2 Ch'ship Qtr-Final – DCU v NUI Maynooth @ DCU
14:00 Ulster Bank HE Freshers Hurling Div2 Ch'ship Qtr-Final – MICL v IT Sligo @ Limerick
19:30 Ulster Bank Ryan Cup Round 1 – UUJ v QUB @ Casement Park
THURSDAY 5th FEBRUARY
13:30 Ulster Bank Ryan Cup Round 1 – IT Tralee v Cork CFE @ Tralee
14:00 Ulster Bank Fitzgibbon Cup Round 1 – UL v WIT @ Newtownshandrum
14:00 Ulster Bank Fitzgibbon Cup Round 1 – St. Pats-Mater Dei v NUIG @ Drumcondra
14:00 Ulster Bank Fitzgibbon Cup Round 1 – UCC v GMIT @ Cork
14:00 Ulster Bank Ryan Cup Round 1 – AIT v Carlow IT @ Athlone
14:00 Ulster Bank Ryan Cup Round 1 – TCD v GMIT Letterfrack @ TBC
14:00 Ulster Bank Ryan Cup Round 1 – NUI Maynooth v IT Sligo @ Maynooth
14:00 Ulster Bank HE Freshers Football Div2 Ch'ship – DIT (2) v DCU (3) @ Grangegorman
14:00 Ulster Bank HE Freshers Football Div2 Ch'ship – MICL v ITB @ Limerick
14:00 Ulster Bank HE Freshers Football Div2 Ch'ship – TCD v IT Tallaght @ Santry
14:00 Ulster Bank HE Freshers Football Div2 Ch'ship – DKIT/UCD (3) v IT Tralee @ TBC
14:00 Ulster Bank HE Freshers Football Div2 Ch'ship – UUJ (3) v Carlow IT @ Jordanstown
14:00 Ulster Bank HE Freshers B Football League-Ch'ship Qtr-Final – UCC v IT Sligo @ TBC
14:00 Ulster Bank HE Freshers B Football League-Ch'ship Qtr-Final - QUB v NUIG @ TBC
14:00 Ulster Bank HE Freshers B Football League-Ch'ship Qtr-Final – DCU v UUJ @ DCU
14:00 Ulster Bank HE Freshers B Football League-Ch'ship Qtr-Final – Cork IT v UL/UCD @ Cork IT
FRIDAY 6th FEBRUARY
13:00 Ulster Bank Fitzgibbon Cup – UCD v Limerick IT @ Belfield
Howdy LGAA,
Not trying to pick on anything here, but I'd love to go to some of these games - any chance you could be more specific on where some of the grounds are? For example I'll hopefully be down in Galway, but to attend GMIT vs UCC would require a little bit more than "Galway" since they don't hold games like that in the college pitch. Possibly that's the only example, but after getting burned last year, if you had any pointers twould be much appreciated. Cheers.
Quote from: laoisgaa on February 03, 2009, 01:39:15 AM
WEDNESDAY 4th FEBRUARY
14:00 Ulster Bank Sigerson Cup Round 2 – UCD v UL @ Belfield
14:00 Ulster Bank Sigerson Cup Round 2 – QUB v UUJ @ The Dub
14:00 Ulster Bank Sigerson Cup Round 2 – DKIT v Garda College @ Dundalk
14:00 Ulster Bank Sigerson Cup Round 2 – St. Mary's v NUI Galway @ Belfast
14:00 Ulster Bank Sigerson Cup Round 2 – DIT v Athlone IT @ Grangegorman
14:00 Ulster Bank Sigerson Cup Round 2 – GMIT v UCC @ Galway
14:00 Ulster Bank Sigerson Cup Round 2 – IT Sligo v DCU @ Sligo
Ranch game is halfway somwhere, not belfast
Sorry forgot to change the Mary's venue - it's Mullahoran at present. Lone Shark - I mentioned your concerns to Croke Park yesterday - the guy who went to four pitches in Galway last year to find a Sigerson Cup game and couldn't find it - I've been assured that they will issue me with proper venues this time around.
Here's the up to date list
TUESDAY 3rd FEBRUARY
Ulster Bank Corn na Mac Léinn Round 1
Tipp Institute/St Pat's v GMIT Castlebar OFF
RCSI v Cadets @ St. Brigid's, Blanchardstown @ 2.45
GMIT Letterfrack v Froebel College OFF
Mater Dei v Marino College, 2pm @ Clonliffe Road
DLIADT W/O Stranmillis College SCR
Ulster Bank HE Freshers Div1 Hurling Ch'ship
Cork IT v UCD OFF
Ulster Bank HE Freshers B Hurling Chship Qtr-Finals
WIT v UL, 2pm @ WIT
NUIG v UCD OFF
UCC v LIT OFF
DIT v CIT, 3pm @ Ballymun Kickhams
Ulster Bank HE Freshers B Football League – Championship
UL v UCD 2pm @ UL
WEDNESDAY 4th FEBRUARY
Ulster Bank Sigerson Cup Round 2
(All games at 2pm)
UCD v UL @ Belfield
QUB v UUJ @ The Dub
DIT v Athlone IT @ Grangegorman
GMIT v UCC @ Mervue
IT Sligo v DCU @ IT Sligo
Dundalk IT v Garda College @ Dundalk IT
Ulster Bank Trench Cup Round 1
(All games at 2pm)
Limerick IT v Waterford IT @ Limerick IT
St Pat's Drumcondra v Letterkenny IT @ Drumcondra
TCD v NCI @ Santry
Ulster Bank Further Education Round 1
Cork Colleges of FE v Inchicore College, 2pm @ Cork
Ulster Bank HE Freshers Hurling Division 2 Ch'ship Qtr-Final
MICL v IT Sligo, 2pm @ Limerick
Ulster Bank Ryan Cup Round 1
UUJ v QUB, 7.30pm @ Casement Park
Ulster Bank Corn na Mac Léinn Round 1
Tipp Institute/St Pat's v GMIT Castlebar, 2pm @ St. Pat's Thurles
THURSDAY 5th FEBRUARY
Ulster Bank Fitzgibbon Cup Round 1
(All games at 2pm)
UL v WIT @ Newtownshandrum
St. Pats-Mater Dei v NUIG @ Drumcondra
UCC v GMIT @ The Farm
Ulster Bank Ryan Cup Round 1
(All games at 2pm unless stated)
IT Tralee v Cork CFE, 1.30pm @ Tralee
Athlone IT v Carlow IT @ Athlone
TCD v GMIT Letterfrack @ TBC
NUI Maynooth v IT Sligo @ Maynooth
Ulster Bank HE Freshers Football Div2 Ch'ship
(All games at 2pm unless stated)
DIT (2) v DCU (3) @ Grangegorman
MICL v ITB @ Limerick
TCD v IT Tallaght @ Santry
UCD (3) v IT Tralee @ TBC
UUJ (3) v Carlow IT @ Jordanstown
Ulster Bank HE Freshers B Football League-Ch'ship Qtr-Finals
(All games at 2pm unless stated)
UCC v IT Sligo
QUB v NUIG
DCU v UUJ @ DCU
Cork IT v UL/UCD @ Cork IT
Ulster Bank HE Freshers B Hurling Championship Qtr-Final
NUIG v UCD 2.15 @ Dangan
FRIDAY 6th FEBRUARY
Ulster Bank Fitzgibbon Cup Round 1
UCD v Limerick IT, 1pm @ Belfield
Ulster Bank HE Freshers Hurling Div2 Ch'ship Qtr-final
DCU v NUI Maynooth, 1.30pm @ DCU
By the way - if anyone wants me to add your email address to our fixtures/results list PM me with your email address and I'll add you
Will the weather threaten any of these games? Hope to get to the UCD UL match.
Sigerson and Fitzgibbon Cup games look to be weather proof - all fixtures have back up venues just in case - but the quality of pitches in most colleges is now second to none - the only game we are a bit worried about at the moment is the St. Mary's/GMIT game in Mullahoran
Ulster Bank Sigerson Cup Round 2 Predictions
UCD v UL = UL UL going well earlier in the year and UCD lacking quality i'll go for an away win
QUB v UUJ = Queens revenge for last year
DIT v Athlone IT = DiT dubs have bit more quality up front
GMIT v UCC =GMIT home team here some nice players
IT Sligo v DCU = DCU loads of quality on display for the visitors should over come this banana skin!
Dundalk IT v Garda College = Dundalk IT going for a shock here dundalk have some fine forwards to do it
Has UUJ no chance tomorrow. Those are big odds for champions. This Vernon boy must be the man!
Loan Shark should go to whatever game is in Mullahoran i believe they could be doing with him.
Dundalk haven't a prayer MR, sorry.
Could be a level playing field at the dub tomorrow if the injury rumours on both sides are to be believed
Quote from: Malone Aristocrat on February 03, 2009, 04:16:20 PM
Dundalk haven't a prayer MR, sorry.
Could be a level playing field at the dub tomorrow if the injury rumours on both sides are to be believed
Just got a text saying UUJ having injury problems with their full back line but sure you don't know what to believe
Fair play to Paddy Power pricing up all the matches now, not giving a lot away though!
4th Feb 2009
14:00 Queens v UUJ
4 - 7
7 - 1
7 - 4
14:00 UCD v UL
8 - 13
15 - 2
6 - 4
14:00 Dundalk IT v Garda
9 - 2
9 - 1
1 - 6
14:00 St Marys v NUIG
4 - 7
15 - 2
13 - 8
14:00 DIT v Athlone IT
1 - 4
8 - 1
7 - 2
14:00 GMIT v UCC
15 - 8
7 - 1
1 - 2
14:00 IT Sligo v DCU
4 - 1
9 - 1
1 - 5
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on February 03, 2009, 03:44:34 PM
Has UUJ no chance tomorrow. Those are big odds for champions. This Vernon boy must be the man!
A lot of this is based on the McKenna Cup...
UL amd NUIG..... outsider's double with a fair chance
I think that's a great bet GAA, NUIG have a good squad and Mary's normally don't have the squad to compete with the better teams. As for UL/UCD, well UL would be warm favourites in my book, UCD have done nothing to suggest they are up to much this year and UL have some very good players. I'll have a few bob on UL myself and although I strongly fancy NUIG, I don't know enough about either team (injuries etc) to put my money where my mouth is on that one.
Quote from: mattockranger on February 03, 2009, 01:04:14 PM
Ulster Bank Sigerson Cup Round 2 Predictions
UCD v UL = UL UL going well earlier in the year and UCD lacking quality i'll go for an away win
QUB v UUJ = Queens revenge for last year
DIT v Athlone IT = DiT dubs have bit more quality up front
GMIT v UCC =GMIT home team here some nice players
IT Sligo v DCU = DCU loads of quality on display for the visitors should over come this banana skin!
Dundalk IT v Garda College = Dundalk IT going for a shock here dundalk have some fine forwards to do it
I wouldn't describe the IT Sligo-DCU tie as a banana skin tbf. The IT has gone to the dogs over the past 2-3 years sadly, got a few beatings in the FBD. DCU by a distance.
UCD V UL is off due to unplayable pitch.
As is the Ranch NUIG match. Number of muck savages in the Bot tonight drastically reduced.
Quote from: Zulu on February 04, 2009, 09:23:58 AM
UCD V UL is off due to unplayable pitch.
UCD have a full size all weather pitch (synthetic grass not sand based) ie impossible to waterlog. UCD playing silly beggars me thinks!
directions to the dub please anyone?
Quote from: An Laoch on February 04, 2009, 10:19:59 AM
directions to the dub please anyone?
Jesus ehhhh... do you know where the Bot is?
heading from queens head up the malone road past the bot (stop for a pint if you wish) for about 2 miles and you will come to a roundabout, you will see it straight infront of you then lad....
go raibh maith agaibh
Quote from: INDIANA on February 04, 2009, 09:52:17 AM
Quote from: Zulu on February 04, 2009, 09:23:58 AM
UCD V UL is off due to unplayable pitch.
UCD have a full size all weather pitch (synthetic grass not sand based) ie impossible to waterlog. UCD playing silly beggars me thinks!
Don't think UL were willing to play on that pitch and in fairness I wouldn't blame them as they'd have little or no experience of playing on that type of surface while the UCD lads would. It looks like the match will now be next Tuesday but that has yet to be confirmed.
I've heard that UCD aren't adverse to pulling a stroke or two, would this be the case Indiana?
CHANGES
· The Ulster Bank Sigerson Cup Round 2 game– St Mary's, Belfast v NUI Galway due to be played at Mullahoran, Cavan today IS OFF
· The Ulster Bank Sigerson Cup Round 2 game – UCD v UL due to be played at Belfield today IS OFF
· The Ulster Bank Trench Cup game – Limerick IT v Waterford IT due to be played today IS OFF
· The Ulster Bank Trench Cup game – TCD v NCI due to be played today IS OFF
· The Ulster Bank Trench Cup game – St. Pat's, Drumcondra v Letterkenny IT will now be played AT 2.30pm IN Ballymun Kickhams.
REVISED FIXTURES
WEDNESDAY 4th FEBRUARY
Ulster Bank Sigerson Cup Round 2
(All games at 2pm)
UCD v UL @ Belfield OFF
QUB v UUJ @ The Dub
DIT v Athlone IT @ Grangegorman
GMIT v UCC @ Mervue
IT Sligo v DCU @ IT Sligo
Dundalk IT v Garda College @ Dundalk
St. Mary's Belfast v NUI Galway @ Mullahoran, Co. Cavan OFF
Ulster Bank Trench Cup Round 1
Limerick IT v Waterford IT OFF
St Pat's Drumcondra v Letterkenny IT 2.30pm @ Ballymun Kickhams (Change of venue and time)
TCD v NCI OFF
Ulster Bank Further Education Round 1
Cork Colleges of FE v Inchicore College, 2pm @ Cork
Ulster Bank Ryan Cup Round 1
UUJ v QUB, 7.30pm @ Casement Park
Ulster Bank Corn na Mac Léinn Round 1
Tipp Institute/St Pat's v GMIT Castlebar, 2pm @ St. Pat's Thurles
THURSDAY 5th FEBRUARY
Ulster Bank Fitzgibbon Cup Round 1
(All games at 2pm)
UL v WIT @ Newtownshandrum
St. Pats-Mater Dei v NUI Galway @ Drumcondra
UCC v GMIT @ Mardyke
Ulster Bank Ryan Cup Round 1
(All games at 2pm unless stated)
IT Tralee v Cork CFE, 1.30pm @ Tralee
Athlone IT v Carlow IT @ Athlone
TCD v GMIT Letterfrack @ TBC
NUI Maynooth v IT Sligo @ Maynooth
Ulster Bank HE Freshers Football Div2 Ch'ship
(All games at 2pm unless stated)
DIT (2) v DCU (3) @ Grangegorman
MICL v ITB @ Limerick
TCD v IT Tallaght @ Santry
UCD (3) v IT Tralee @ TBC
UUJ (3) v Carlow IT @ Jordanstown
Ulster Bank HE Freshers B Football League-Ch'ship Qtr-Finals
(All games at 2pm unless stated)
UCC v IT Sligo
QUB v NUI Galway
DCU v UUJ @ DCU
Cork IT v UL/UCD @ Cork IT
Ulster Bank HE Freshers B Hurling Championship Qtr-Final
NUIG v UCD 2.15 @ Dangan
FRIDAY 6th FEBRUARY
Ulster Bank Fitzgibbon Cup Round 1
UCD v Limerick IT, 1pm @ Belfield
Ulster Bank HE Freshers Hurling Div2 Ch'ship Qtr-final
DCU v NUI Maynooth, 1.30pm @ DCU
Good old lone shark:
http://betdiary.ie/kevinegan/2009/02/04/the-students-have-become-the-studied/
QuoteThe Students have become the Studied
February 4th, 2009 by kegan
Following on from yesterday's post, it appears that our site sponsors and a few other concerns have burst into life and priced up today's Sigerson Cup clashes. Third level competitions are notoriously difficult to gauge correctly until every team has put some form on the board, but even allowing for the inherent unpredictability of these sides, there still looks to be a few games where the bookies' choice for favouritism is somewhat suspect to say the least.
Obviously one can assume that whichever oddsmaker took the lead, any of those who followed would have strongly tempered their opinion and largely fallen into line, however it's still somewhat surprising that in such a large vacuum of information, there hasn't been more disparity of opinion. For what it's worth, here is a brief rundown of the games as this column can see them.
Queens University vs UUJ is very much the high class fixture of the round, with the winners likely to be somewhere between 1/1 and 6/4 to close out the tournament once the outrights are revised. We saw Queens' hand in the McKenna Cup, with Charlie Vernon very much the engine behind some of their better performances. They come into this game as 4/7 favourites and in truth it's hard to argue with that. On paper they are the better side, they've improved immensely since earlier in the year when they failed to pull up any trees, but this is the closest thing to a local derby you'll get in third level games and I'd be shocked if there was any more than a few points separating these by the end. Draw is probably the value bet, but being honest this is a game to watch and savour, for anyone who is within an hour's drive. Expect a top quality match at the Dub today and keep your money in your pocket, no betting interest is needed.
Mullahoran is the venue for NUI Galway vs St Mary's under the somewhat odd rule that games where the two colleges are more than 200 miles apart must be held at neutral venues. It means that one man and his dog will probably be the only supporters in attendance, but nonetheless for betting purposes this is one of the games to keep an eye on. NUIG haven't got a plethora of star names such as when Michael Meehan and Sean Armstrong were leading the line, but they have got a good and deep panel of solid county panellists and starters, with many of their young Roscommon contingent in particular looking like they have a very bright future ahead. Their status as underdogs for this match is questionable to say the least. The mercurial CJ McGourty is a tricky customer to mark, but if he and his fellow county man Kevin Niblock can be stopped, the hunch is that NUIG might get over the line here.
DIT vs Athlone IT has no bet written all over it. On paper DIT should eat them alive, but as DIT themselves will testify after last year when they carried on their early good form to stun DCU, there is huge merit to having a game under your belt and Athlone have that with a good first round win down in Tralee. Grangegorman is a very soft pitch at the best of times and that could level matters up further, while any team dependant on Mark Vaughan for scores is a little bit hot and cold. DIT should win, but at odds of 2/9, this is no bet country.
IT Sligo vs DCU will similarly see no recommendation from this column, however we wouldn't be as worried about the fortunes of DCU as we would that of their metropolitan counterparts above. IT Sligo have regressed hugely from their position of great strength at the start of the decade and their performances in the FBD league were very poor. Home advantage will rouse them a little, but anything other than a comfortable DCU victory here would be a huge upset. 1/5 is possibly even value, for those who like those kind of odds.
The third Dublin college in action is UCD who entertain the University of Limerick. Now this writer doesn't have statistics for the Sigerson Cup to hand, but the gut feeling is that one would have to go back a long way to find the last time UL beat UCD in a championship football match - however today could very easily be the day, and this is this column's main recommendation for this round of games. Football in UL is being taken a lot more seriously this year, with no dual players in the panel to upset preparations. Dr Cian O'Neill has done a great job with this team to the point where they are fiercely competitive and defending ferociously from the front. UCD have the reputation and the history, but they simply do not appear to have the footballers this year. If Mark Ronaldson can be shut down, they don't appear to have any free scoring forwards at all, while they should have no match for David Moran and Fiachra O'Neill who will man the Limerick midfield. UL should be strong favourites for this tie and the recommendation is to bet appropriately at the 5/4 and bigger available.
Dundalk IT have been written off completely in their game against Garda College, which is probably understandable. Garda came very close to winning this competition last year, while their Winter form has been excellent. However at 11/2 with home advantage, it would be silly not to have a very small nibble at Dundalk. They have a moderate team with a couple of incisive players, but they also have a game under their belts and may yet catch the Guards on the hop. This could go spectacularly wrong, but your writer used to be an odds compiler and the Gardaí are the type of odds on shot that you love to lay - they could be brilliant and they could win by ten points or more, but you never know. Very small stakes, but worth a wager.
Finally we come to the last game to be decided, GMIT hosting UCC. This is another game where frankly, reputation appears to have decided favouritism. UCC simply do not appear to have that much quality in their ranks, while GMIT are a capable, if limited, group of players. They took some hammerings in the FBD league but they also picked up a win over Leitrim and have a few players to come back in and bolster their panel from those games. With home advantage, they have every chance of winning this contest between two colleges which have no chance in the overall scheme of things. Again, a small wager is advised. UL is definitely the bet of the round, but there is value to be had in the 11/8 available about GMIT.
Quote from: Zulu on February 04, 2009, 10:42:36 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on February 04, 2009, 09:52:17 AM
Quote from: Zulu on February 04, 2009, 09:23:58 AM
UCD V UL is off due to unplayable pitch.
UCD have a full size all weather pitch (synthetic grass not sand based) ie impossible to waterlog. UCD playing silly beggars me thinks!
Don't think UL were willing to play on that pitch and in fairness I wouldn't blame them as they'd have little or no experience of playing on that type of surface while the UCD lads would. It looks like the match will now be next Tuesday but that has yet to be confirmed.
I've heard that UCD aren't adverse to pulling a stroke or two, would this be the case Indiana?
Well thats surface is the best synthetic surface I've ever seen. Nearly better than playing on grass. The pitch is cushioned like real grass. UL would have easily played on it and won and may regret not doing so as this will just backlog their fixtures.
UCD are very good at playing matches when it suits them Zulu if you know what I mean. But in any case I can't see them beating UL unless UL implode altogether.
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on February 04, 2009, 10:56:36 AM
Good old lone shark:
http://betdiary.ie/kevinegan/2009/02/04/the-students-have-become-the-studied/
QuoteThe Students have become the Studied
February 4th, 2009 by kegan
Mullahoran is the venue for NUI Galway vs St Mary's under the somewhat odd rule that games where the two colleges are more than 200 miles apart must be held at neutral venues. It means that one man and his dog will probably be the only supporters in attendance, but nonetheless for betting purposes this is one of the games to keep an eye on. NUIG haven't got a plethora of star names such as when Michael Meehan and Sean Armstrong were leading the line, but they have got a good and deep panel of solid county panellists and starters, with many of their young Roscommon contingent in particular looking like they have a very bright future ahead. Their status as underdogs for this match is questionable to say the least. The mercurial CJ McGourty is a tricky customer to mark, but if he and his fellow county man Kevin Niblock can be stopped, the hunch is that NUIG might get over the line here.
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Armstrong IS leading the line. He is only in 2nd year.
Anyone with updates from Queens/UUJ game?
Does a goal = 3 points?
Hope the players on both sides are doing worthwhile degrees btw otherwise Adrian or Aidan should bring them off, too many people leaving University these days with rubbish degrees :P
(I'll update the rest as I get them
ULSTER BANK SIGERSON CUP ROUND 2 HALF TIME SCORES
UUJ 1-7 QUB 1-2 @ The Dub
DIT 0-8 Athlone IT 0-4 @ Grangegorman
GMIT 0-7 UCC 0-2 @ Mervue
DCU 0-6 IT Sligo 0-3 @ IT Sligo
Dundalk IT 0-5 Garda College 0-5 @ Dundalk
St Mary's Bel v NUIG OFF
UCD v UL OFF
UUJ must be playing rightly.
Keep the Scores coming lads.
where ya gettin the results??
can't get any report on Garda at all...i'll keep trying!
I'm National PRO so I have my contacts!!
Bit of a shock on in Dundalk perhaps??
Any update on QUB v UUJ ?
Quote from: laoisgaa on February 04, 2009, 03:01:20 PM
I'm National PRO so I have my contacts!!
very good very good your the man to ask so!!!
jez seen the dundalk score there! they've some good forwards this year
ciaran hanratty and conor mcManus from monaghan and cian mackey from cavan
heard on the local radio this morning, there was abit of row concerning louth under21 players being released to play by eamonn mcEnaneny
GMIT winning by four points - closing stages against UCC
Joe O'Kane sent off for Queens, not sure how reliable that is but got word through there.
fighting at queens v poly match....not heard much on it although hear poly have match in the bag
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on February 04, 2009, 03:20:16 PM
fighting at queens v poly match....not heard much on it although hear poly have match in the bag
Thats a suprise !
(Will update these as FT Scores come through)
ULSTER BANK SIGERSON CUP ROUND 2 FULL-TIME SCORES
UUJ 1-7 QUB 1-2 @ The Dub HT
DIT 1-13 Athlone IT 1-5 @ Grangegorman FT
GMIT 0-11 UCC 0-9 @ Mervue FT
DCU 0-6 IT Sligo 0-3 @ IT Sligo HT
Dundalk IT 0-5 Garda College 0-5 @ Dundalk HT
St Mary's Bel v NUIG OFF
UCD v UL OFF
Quarter-Finals 18.02.09(Wed)
QUB/UUJ v St Marys/NUIG
Cork IT v ITSligo/DCU
GMIT v DIT
DKIT/Garda v UCD/UL
Quote from: Bensars on February 04, 2009, 03:21:34 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on February 04, 2009, 03:20:16 PM
fighting at queens v poly match....not heard much on it although hear poly have match in the bag
Thats a suprise !
The fighting or the result?
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on February 04, 2009, 03:20:16 PM
fighting at queens v poly match....not heard much on it although hear poly have match in the bag
I thought you were going down to this ONL and making a day/night of it ?
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on February 04, 2009, 03:20:16 PM
fighting at queens v poly match....not heard much on it although hear poly have match in the bag
Jeez, hope nobody starts throwing water about. :D
Quote from: Minder on February 04, 2009, 03:24:54 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on February 04, 2009, 03:20:16 PM
fighting at queens v poly match....not heard much on it although hear poly have match in the bag
I thought you were going down to this ONL and making a day/night of it ?
is away down...this aint ONL, just got a text from him and he was logged into board...im in his name!!
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on February 04, 2009, 03:25:58 PM
Quote from: Minder on February 04, 2009, 03:24:54 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on February 04, 2009, 03:20:16 PM
fighting at queens v poly match....not heard much on it although hear poly have match in the bag
I thought you were going down to this ONL and making a day/night of it ?
is away down...this aint ONL, just got a text from him and he was logged into board...im in his name!!
Do you have any tips for us then? his have dried up recently.
Leave a real crude obscene message and get him banned.
Quote from: Doogie Browser on February 04, 2009, 03:35:57 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on February 04, 2009, 03:25:58 PM
Quote from: Minder on February 04, 2009, 03:24:54 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on February 04, 2009, 03:20:16 PM
fighting at queens v poly match....not heard much on it although hear poly have match in the bag
I thought you were going down to this ONL and making a day/night of it ?
is away down...this aint ONL, just got a text from him and he was logged into board...im in his name!!
Do you have any tips for us then? his have dried up recently.
lol nothin really bar liverpool tonight...think 7/5 is a steal price for them after sunday, confidence bound to be high!!! heard a bit about a horse "Chill Out" in 3/45 Down Royal but not enough to persuade me to back it...currently around 10s
Quote from: SidelineKick on February 04, 2009, 03:37:39 PM
Leave a real crude obscene message and get him banned.
ha ha !!!!
any result from the dub yet?
poly by 6
At the Qub match here. Poor game spoilit by a poor inconsistent referee. That said UUJ good value for the win with strong performanes in the full back and full toward lines. Also better tactics on the afternoon
what does AFAIK mean sideline?
Quote from: CityGael on February 04, 2009, 03:45:08 PM
poly by 6
If that's true then it's a great result for the Poly and McGuckin. Queens had to be hot favourites for this match given the list of injuries the poly had and Queens great form in the Mckenna Cup. Begs the question as to why Ballinderry are bringing in McCartan when they have McGuckin on their doorstep.
Shows how much stock should be put in the Mc Kenna Cup.........
Spirit...a prophet in his own land. Those Ballinderry wans aren't the sharpest :D when it come to £££££s :D :D :D
Suppose the line ups for the QUB/ UUJ match are not available?
Think it just shows that as in any other level of the sport, the championship is about on the day and not previous form!
What was the actual UUJ/QUB Final score?
where was the great Charlie vernon?? Couldn't afford to miss his afternoon lecture?
UUJ beat Queen's in Sigerson Cup
Three players were sent-off in a heated second half as UUJ caused an upset by beating Queen's 1-12 to 1-6 in the Sigerson Cup quarter-final at the Dub.
Queen's duo Joe O'Kane and Paul Courtney and UUJ player Niall McKeever were shown straight red cards.
UUJ, boosted by a Ciaran Donnelly penalty, stormed into a five-point lead but Queen's replied with a goal from Derry's Sean Leo McGoldrick.
Tyrone player Colm Cavanagh scored four points from play for UUJ.
McKeever landed two superb scores before being dismissed with O'Kane after a melee.
The match between St Mary's and NUIG was postponed and the winners will face UUJ in the semi-final.
Quote from: mattockranger on February 04, 2009, 03:56:07 PM
where was the great Charlie vernon?? Couldn't afford to miss his afternoon lecture?
You should be ashamed of yourself.
BBC are wrong - these games aren't quarter-finals
ULSTER BANK SIGERSON CUP ROUND 2 FULL-TIME SCORES
UUJ 1-12 QUB 1-6 @ The Dub
DIT 1-13 Athlone IT 1-5 @ Grangegorman
GMIT 0-11 UCC 0-9 @ Mervue
DCU 0-15 IT Sligo 0-9 @ IT Sligo
Garda College 0-16 Dundalk IT 1-10 @ Dundalk
St Mary's Bel v NUIG OFF
UCD v UL OFF
Quote from: laoisgaa on February 04, 2009, 04:02:00 PM
BBC are wrong - these games aren't quarter-finals
ULSTER BANK SIGERSON CUP ROUND 2 FULL-TIME SCORES
UUJ 1-12 QUB 1-6 @ The Dub
DIT 1-13 Athlone IT 1-5 @ Grangegorman
GMIT 0-11 UCC 0-9 @ Mervue
DCU 0-15 IT Sligo 0-9 @ IT Sligo
Garda College 0-16 Dundalk IT 1-10 @ Dundalk
St Mary's Bel v NUIG OFF
UCD v UL OFF
Coulld not be the case! BBC getting something wrong about GAA!
Quote from: SidelineKick on February 04, 2009, 04:01:46 PM
Quote from: mattockranger on February 04, 2009, 03:56:07 PM
where was the great Charlie vernon?? Couldn't afford to miss his afternoon lecture?
You should be ashamed of yourself.
Get over yourself!
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on February 04, 2009, 03:52:14 PM
Spirit...a prophet in his own land. Those Ballinderry wans aren't the sharpest :D when it come to £££££s :D :D :D
Never even thought of it like that. I suppose McGuckin would cost nothing compared to wee James. I mean, what type of clubman would charge his own club for his sevices? ;)
Before the game today all the talk on this board and elsewhere was off a certain red headed midfielder who was a star of the future. Well despite his greatest efforts him or his teammates could not contain another ginger genius who ran the show who goes by the name a Packie Downey - in the words of Andy Gray take a bow my son.
Dundalk IT give Garda a real scare
Date: 04 February 2009
By James Rogers
Dundalk IT gave one of the Sigerson Cup favourites, Garda, a huge scare in their second round clash at the college on Wednesday before going down on a 0-16 to 1-10 scoreline.
Cork's John Miskella and Leitrim's Emlyn Mulligan both converted a brace of points in the early stages to give the visitors a two point lead after 23 minutes. However, points from DkIT's Ciaran Hanratty and Conor McManus ensured the sides went off level at the break on a scoreline of 0-5 apiece.
Mulligan and Hanratty exchanged points on the restart but Garda quickly pulled away from their opponents with Miskella adding four points as they raced into a 0-13 to 0-7 lead with 11 minutes remaining.
However, Dundalk IT were not willing to give up without a fight and after McManus pulled a point back on 50 minutes, it was quickly followed by a goal a minute later from Cavan's Cian Mackey that had the deficit reduced back to two points.
In the end Garda just managed to hold out for the win but were fortunate that referee Dominic Brogan failed to spot a clear footblock on a shotfrom McManus in the closing stages.
One of the talking points before the game was whether the Louth U-21 players would be involved but the trio of Jason Clarke, Declan Byrne and Barry Flanagan all started the game. However, there was no sign of Dundalk IT boss Mickey Heeney with Cathal Kearney and Louth senior player Derek Crilly taking charge of the side on the day.
Garda: D O'Brien; S Breheny, R O'Connor, C McGill; S Mulligan, E Callaghan, D Mullahy; M Cussen, M Milner; M Harrington, J Miskella (0-6), J Kavanagh (0-3); J Martin, G Brady (0-1), E Mulligan (0-6, 5f). Subs: G O'Connell for M Harrington, 45 mins; N Shevlin for G Brady, 50 mins.
Dundalk IT: P O'Rourke; J Clarke, B Cusack, D Galligan; D Byrne, D Lubby, R Gorman (0-1); A Callaghan, A Collins; C Mackey (1-0), C McManus (0-4, 3f), P Young; A Farrell (0-1, 45), C Hanratty (0-3), B Flanagan. Sub: M Lennon (0-1) for B Flanagan, 43 mins.
Referee: D Brogan (Armagh).
Read full match report and reaction in The Dundalk Democrat on Wednesday February 11
a farrell i think is Brian farrells brother
Quote from: YogiBear on February 04, 2009, 04:15:02 PM
Before the game today all the talk on this board and elsewhere was off a certain red headed midfielder who was a star of the future. Well despite his greatest efforts him or his teammates could not contain another ginger genius who ran the show who goes by the name a Packie Downey - in the words of Andy Gray take a bow my son.
Always found him over rated. Did he do the business today? Fair play to him.
at a guess....one who doesn't give a toss about opinion
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on February 04, 2009, 04:19:42 PM
at a guess....one who doesn't give a toss about opinion
Funny thing opinion, the IN is full of it.............at £150 a throw..........allegedly.
Quote from: YogiBear on February 04, 2009, 04:15:02 PM
Before the game today all the talk on this board and elsewhere was off a certain red headed midfielder who was a star of the future. Well despite his greatest efforts him or his teammates could not contain another ginger genius who ran the show who goes by the name a Packie Downey - in the words of Andy Gray take a bow my son.
is this the same packie downey who was marked out of it twice last year by our nearly 40 yr old full back?
Quote from: SidelineKick on February 04, 2009, 04:18:01 PM
Quote from: YogiBear on February 04, 2009, 04:15:02 PM
Before the game today all the talk on this board and elsewhere was off a certain red headed midfielder who was a star of the future. Well despite his greatest efforts him or his teammates could not contain another ginger genius who ran the show who goes by the name a Packie Downey - in the words of Andy Gray take a bow my son.
Always found him over rated. Did he do the business today? Fair play to him.
Packie has always been a bit of an enigma. Did he not, nearly singlehandly help UUJ get to the final (or possibly the Sigerson semi final) a few years back but didn't get a run in the final at all?
Also, Ross Carr had him on the Down senior panel but Pete Mc Grath didn't think he was good enough for the U.21's - strange
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on February 04, 2009, 04:39:42 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on February 04, 2009, 04:18:01 PM
Quote from: YogiBear on February 04, 2009, 04:15:02 PM
Before the game today all the talk on this board and elsewhere was off a certain red headed midfielder who was a star of the future. Well despite his greatest efforts him or his teammates could not contain another ginger genius who ran the show who goes by the name a Packie Downey - in the words of Andy Gray take a bow my son.
Always found him over rated. Did he do the business today? Fair play to him.
Packie has always been a bit of an enigma. Did he not, nearly singlehandly help UUJ get to the final (or possibly the Sigerson semi final) a few years back but didn't get a run in the final at all?
Also, Ross Carr had him on the Down senior panel but Pete Mc Grath didn't think he was good enough for the U.21's - strange
He certainly would have been good enough for the u21s but not for the seniors, definitely not.
Maybe I haven't seen enough of him and I'm always open to correction but I still don't think he'd be good enough for the seniors.
Packie had a great game at midfield and scored a great point. Colgan also spoiled a lot around the middle.. The poly had their homework done!!! their centre-half back is very good... Cavanagh was the difference and i was also impressed by Donnelly...who was the poly keeper, made some great saves too!!!
Queens thought they would walk it... They just did nt perform... Courteney wanted to fight at every oppurtunity!!!
Also was chatting to Ballinderry folk today and they said that Dessie Ryan is with Wee James this year
Just back from the Dub, a game spoilt by the pernickety Paudie Hughes. UUJ won courteous of a well organised game plan, nullifying Queens diagonal balls into the FF line and pressurising the QUB kickers around the congested centrefield. Added to that UUJ largely dominated midfield, especially in the 1st half. Darren Hughes was my man of the match at CHB for the Poly, swept up a lot of possession and drove out of defence with authority. A great late point rounded off an excellent display. Colm Cavanagh had a superb opening half, winning ball out in front and in the air (some of the kickpasses into him in the first half were first rate,) plus kicking a few points. The Poly deserved the win, but on another day their wayward freetaking could have been more costly.
QUB
1 F Murphy 0-1
2 H Gallagher
3 N McGovern
4 L Howard
5 R Dillon
6 J OKane
7 J Crozier0-1
8 C Vernon
9 B McArdle
10 J Loughery
11 C Maginn
12 SL McGoldrick 1-0
13 J Kielt 0-5
14 S ONeill
15 C Bayne.
Subs:
P Courtney for C Bayne
M Ward for J Loughery
D OHagan for B McArdle
UUJ
1 G Kelly
2 A Girvin
3 P Kernan
4 G Haughey
5 D Mulholland
6 D Hughes 0-1
7 D Bateson
8 J Colgan
9 P Downey 0-1
10 C Donnelly 1-2
11 R Mulgrew 0-1
12 N McKeever 0-2
13 C Cavanagh 0-4
14 S Forker
15 T McCann 0-1.
Subs:
P Hughes for Forker
B Boggs for Mulholland
Thought the poly where far hungrier for victory and played some great football. thought Colgan marked Vernon out of it and Packie Downey played well too in midfield. Darren Hughes was immence as was Colm Cavanagh up front. Mulgrew and McCann also very impressive. Queens best in my eyes where Sean Leo McGoldrick and Justin Crozier.
Courtney skelped donnelly by the looks of things
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Courtney skelped donnelly by the looks of things
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They don't be long in getting them up!
These new rules are great for local derbies !
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And again :
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Up you go !
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Courtney skelped donnelly by the looks of things
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Who in their right mind put that clown Hughes in charge of an important Sigerson match like this?
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Courtney skelped donnelly by the looks of things
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Who in their right mind put that clown Hughes in charge of an important Sigerson match like this?
Respect !!!! He's one of the top refs in the country at the moment. And it does look they boxed in front of him - so what else was he supposed to do ?.
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Courtney skelped donnelly by the looks of things
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/336379/5000/
Who in their right mind put that clown Hughes in charge of an important Sigerson match like this?
Respect !!!! He's one of the top refs in the country at the moment. And it does look they boxed in front of him - so what else was he supposed to do ?.
You must be joking. Sigerson football had always been played on edge and rarely ruled with cards like this. It may not be right but has helped make Sigerson what it is.
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Courtney skelped donnelly by the looks of things
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/336379/5000/
Who in their right mind put that clown Hughes in charge of an important Sigerson match like this?
Respect !!!! He's one of the top refs in the country at the moment. And it does look they boxed in front of him - so what else was he supposed to do ?.
You must be joking. Sigerson football had always been played on edge and rarely ruled with cards like this. It may not be right but has helped make Sigerson what it is.
I couldn't agree more but the powers that be don't want this sort of football anymore - they want non contact, a pile of scores, good behaviour - a wee bit like basketball I suppose. So you can't really blame the referees.
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Courtney skelped donnelly by the looks of things
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/336379/5000/
Who in their right mind put that clown Hughes in charge of an important Sigerson match like this?
Respect !!!! He's one of the top refs in the country at the moment. And it does look they boxed in front of him - so what else was he supposed to do ?.
You must be joking. Sigerson football had always been played on edge and rarely ruled with cards like this. It may not be right but has helped make Sigerson what it is.
I couldn't agree more but the powers that be don't want this sort of football anymore - they want non contact, a pile of scores, good behaviour - a wee bit like basketball I suppose. So you can't really blame the referees.
The referees who will go places, and get the biggest games, are those who ref with a modicum of common sense, combined with an application of the rules. The best games at the weekend were those reffed by referees who did not apply the new rules completely. Referees like Hughes, and he's not alone in this, have no common sense and in reality will go nowhere.
awful performance from the queens men today... just did not get going at all.
their awfulness was only surpassed by hughes, who is one of the worst refs refereeing outside his own county, in the country.
as bad as he was though, it wasn't the reason queens lost. poly were far the better team
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Courtney skelped donnelly by the looks of things
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/336379/5000/
Who in their right mind put that clown Hughes in charge of an important Sigerson match like this?
Respect !!!! He's one of the top refs in the country at the moment. And it does look they boxed in front of him - so what else was he supposed to do ?.
You must be joking. Sigerson football had always been played on edge and rarely ruled with cards like this. It may not be right but has helped make Sigerson what it is.
I couldn't agree more but the powers that be don't want this sort of football anymore - they want non contact, a pile of scores, good behaviour - a wee bit like basketball I suppose. So you can't really blame the referees.
Not sure if you were at the match Orangeman but Hughes cannot be absconded simply because of 'the powers that be' ........... I'm not even talking about the sendings off (though Courtney's looked highly dubious from my view,) but all a player had to do whilst in possession was run in to an opposing player/s (preferably a group) and they were given a free. Irritated me all game long and I'm sure many people would share a similar sentiment? Agree with you about how they seem to want football to evolve though.
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Courtney skelped donnelly by the looks of things
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/336379/5000/
Who in their right mind put that clown Hughes in charge of an important Sigerson match like this?
Respect !!!! He's one of the top refs in the country at the moment. And it does look they boxed in front of him - so what else was he supposed to do ?.
You must be joking. Sigerson football had always been played on edge and rarely ruled with cards like this. It may not be right but has helped make Sigerson what it is.
I couldn't agree more but the powers that be don't want this sort of football anymore - they want non contact, a pile of scores, good behaviour - a wee bit like basketball I suppose. So you can't really blame the referees.
The referees who will go places, and get the biggest games, are those who ref with a modicum of common sense, combined with an application of the rules. The best games at the weekend were those reffed by referees who did not apply the new rules completely. Referees like Hughes, and he's not alone in this, have no common sense and in reality will go nowhere.
Again you're right but Hughes didn't make up the rules and nowhere does it say that refs should not apply them fully but should instead use a bit of commonsense - Hughes wouldn't have been a fan of mine either after last year's Tyrone v Westmeath game - but to be fair to him I've seen him referee a fair few games since and he was ok.
Is Padraig Hughes not one of Ireland's top referees?
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Courtney skelped donnelly by the looks of things
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/336379/5000/
Who in their right mind put that clown Hughes in charge of an important Sigerson match like this?
Respect !!!! He's one of the top refs in the country at the moment. And it does look they boxed in front of him - so what else was he supposed to do ?.
You must be joking. Sigerson football had always been played on edge and rarely ruled with cards like this. It may not be right but has helped make Sigerson what it is.
I couldn't agree more but the powers that be don't want this sort of football anymore - they want non contact, a pile of scores, good behaviour - a wee bit like basketball I suppose. So you can't really blame the referees.
The referees who will go places, and get the biggest games, are those who ref with a modicum of common sense, combined with an application of the rules. The best games at the weekend were those reffed by referees who did not apply the new rules completely. Referees like Hughes, and he's not alone in this, have no common sense and in reality will go nowhere.
Hughes wouldn't have been a fan of mine either after last year's Tyrone v Westmeath game
What did you do?
Quote from: Carbery on February 04, 2009, 05:33:53 PM
Is Padraig Hughes not one of Ireland's top referees?
Going by the games he's getting, yes -
Going by today's performance - obviously no.
[Who done all the scoring for UUJ today?
lads lets move away from talking about the ref and more on the game itself
who is theGoalie and two corner backs on the jordanstown back line that played so well?
does anyone know what happened queens. perhaps overconfidence UUJ played more direct foot ball and controlled midfield
Quote from: lucan on February 04, 2009, 06:29:05 PM
does anyone know what happened queens. perhaps overconfidence UUJ played more direct foot ball and controlled midfield
They got beat. ;)
They got totally outplayed! They were second best all over the pitch. Poly laid down their marker from the start with a well worked point from Tomas McCann. From the Keeper out they were well organised and disciplined. Big Adrian had his homework well done. Long high balls into Cavanagh who tortured the Queens defence. Standing beside a load of old men and they all agreed with me and I think for anyone at the Dub today that Darren Hughes (??) UUJ number 6 was the man of the match, Dictated everything UUJ done and cleaned everything up around the middle.
They just could go on and with it with performances like that although alot more football to be played!
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Before the game today all the talk on this board and elsewhere was off a certain red headed midfielder who was a star of the future. Well despite his greatest efforts him or his teammates could not contain another ginger genius who ran the show who goes by the name a Packie Downey - in the words of Andy Gray take a bow my son.
Always found him over rated. Did he do the business today? Fair play to him.
Packie has always been a bit of an enigma. Did he not, nearly singlehandly help UUJ get to the final (or possibly the Sigerson semi final) a few years back but didn't get a run in the final at all?
Also, Ross Carr had him on the Down senior panel but Pete Mc Grath didn't think he was good enough for the U.21's - strange
there was a fal out between him anfd mcgrath.he then asked him back on the thursday before ulster final.
surprise win by poly,qub over confident i imagine coz looked stronger on paper. wonder why courtney never started thought he was the captain??
Quote from: mattockranger on February 04, 2009, 06:09:00 PM
who is theGoalie and two corner backs on the jordanstown back line that played so well?
all tyrone men. goalie is Greg Kelly from stewartstown, corner backs are aidan gervin (rock) and gareth haughey (drumragh).
Game took me by suprise. Totally expected Queens to win. I think most of us overlooked the fact that Jordanstown actually have a wealth of talent throughout their squad while Queens seem to be based more around their bigger name players.
Jtown spoilt Queens in the middle third. There tended to be three men jumping with every Queens player. This totally frustrated the Queens engine room and this was highly evident by their aggressiveness even before half time.
Darren Hughes was immense at centre half back. Your boy Mulholland was handy enough on the wing as well. I thought the Jtown full back line was very good. Snowy O'Neill and Kielt just couldnt get any change out of them.
Spectators probably would of thought that Downey and Colgan had good games in the middle of the park. However, on closer examination, it was the crowding out of the midfield area by the Poly wing backs and wing forwards that destroyed the Queens middle two. Colgan and Downey did very little in terms of garnering possession although Downey did impress me with his passing.
Niall McKeever and Colm Cavanagh were the star turns in the Poly forward line. Would of like to have seen more from McCann and Forker. Mulgrew again flatters to deceive. Your young fella Hughes did well when he came on.
In all honesty and this isnt some jingoistic Dundrum view but if Paul McComiskey had of been fit for this game and had of had a bit of match practice this past few weeks, I think he may have swayed the match considerably towards Queens favour.
Just watched the report of the game on the BBC website, first thing that they show and talk about - the fight! :-\
Quote from: DownFanatic on February 04, 2009, 08:03:12 PM
Game took me by suprise. Totally expected Queens to win. I think most of us overlooked the fact that Jordanstown actually have a wealth of talent throughout their squad while Queens seem to be based more around their bigger name players.
Jtown spoilt Queens in the middle third. There tended to be three men jumping with every Queens player. This totally frustrated the Queens engine room and this was highly evident by their aggressiveness even before half time.
Darren Hughes was immense at centre half back. Your boy Mulholland was handy enough on the wing as well. I thought the Jtown full back line was very good. Snowy O'Neill and Kielt just couldnt get any change out of them.
Spectators probably would of thought that Downey and Colgan had good games in the middle of the park. However, on closer examination, it was the crowding out of the midfield area by the Poly wing backs and wing forwards that destroyed the Queens middle two. Colgan and Downey did very little in terms of garnering possession although Downey did impress me with his passing.
Niall McKeever and Colm Cavanagh were the star turns in the Poly forward line. Would of like to have seen more from McCann and Forker. Mulgrew again flatters to deceive. Your young fella Hughes did well when he came on.
In all honesty and this isnt some jingoistic Dundrum view but if Paul McComiskey had of been fit for this game and had of had a bit of match practice this past few weeks, I think he may have swayed the match considerably towards Queens favour.
Ramie Mulgrew had a very good game today. his intelligent playmaking made the majority of uujs scores. Colgan was on the ball much more than Vernon, who cleaned our senior midfield two weeks ago. was disapointed not to see Joe Ireland getting a run today. yes McComiskey was a massive loss to QUB but UUJ had no Damian McCaul who probably would have been detailed to mark the Dundrum tallisman.
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Before the game today all the talk on this board and elsewhere was off a certain red headed midfielder who was a star of the future. Well despite his greatest efforts him or his teammates could not contain another ginger genius who ran the show who goes by the name a Packie Downey - in the words of Andy Gray take a bow my son.
Always found him over rated. Did he do the business today? Fair play to him.
Packie has always been a bit of an enigma. Did he not, nearly singlehandly help UUJ get to the final (or possibly the Sigerson semi final) a few years back but didn't get a run in the final at all?
Also, Ross Carr had him on the Down senior panel but Pete Mc Grath didn't think he was good enough for the U.21's - strange
there was a fal out between him anfd mcgrath.he then asked him back on the thursday before ulster final.
surprise win by poly,qub over confident i imagine coz looked stronger on paper. wonder why courtney never started thought he was the captain??
Was the fall out after some prank phonecalls/ text messages charlie or am I thinking of someone else?!
Quote from: Estimator on February 04, 2009, 09:03:19 PM
Just watched the report of the game on the BBC website, first thing that they show and talk about - the fight! :-\
Aye saw that, showed more fights than scores. Austy also lead with 'there were 4 players sent off...', is that even true? I thought people here said only 3 got the line?
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Quote from: Estimator on February 04, 2009, 09:03:19 PM
Just watched the report of the game on the BBC website, first thing that they show and talk about - the fight! :-\
Aye saw that, showed more fights than scores. Austy also lead with 'there were 4 players sent off...', is that even true? I thought people here said only 3 got the line?
Think there was four. Typical BBC, if there was no sending offs, im sure they wouldnt have mentioned the game!
prob not the same quality as last years game but still a fairly exciting game with a bit of everything and the poly convincing winners.courtney never started due to a hamstring strain as far as i know,he had a late fitness test.wasnt great when he came on.
mcguckin obviously had his homework done on queens,crowded midfield not allowing vernon any time on the ball or opportunities to go on any surging runs with the balls.they got numbers back well when defending and darren hughes was brilliant,played a deep role in front of full back line quite often and cut out a lot of ball.2 corner backs,girvan and i thought it was mcdermott from errigal and not haughey but i could be wrong were good,2 players i havent heard much of.
kernan handled kielt well,im of the firm opinion kielt has a yellow streak in him but again maybe i wrong!
cavanagh was brilliant in first half,queens defence looked dodgy under the early high balls.mulgrew and donnelly played rite and well too.packie downey and colgan were very good around the middle doing a lot of dirty work,the 2 of them seem to have got themselves in great shape,perhaps out to prove a point to ross carr!sean leo and tomas mccann had a great battle throughout the game,sean leo probably shading it.vernon tried hard throughtout the game but cudnt get into it.joe okane was doing ritely till he got the line.justin crozier looked a bigger threat than snowy oneill when he went to full forward.
whether it was tiredness from the mckenna cup or complacency,queens didnt get going.then again they beat 2 poor teams in the group antrim and cavan and lost to armagh so maybe the media read more into their games against down and donegal than they shud have.the poly will fancy themselves to go all the way now but if they were to meet st marys in the next round it will be they who will be set up for the big fall!!be interesting if kernan and kyle carragher are part of the poly set up next day out,wonder when cross semi final is??
No there were 4 sent off the day 3 straight reds and UUJ player for two bookings. From what I saw of the Courtney incident it looked like a shambolic decision as he was running out with the ball and the UUJ player seemed to run into him as he was turning. It was certainly no worse a tackle than the one from the second UUJ player to be sent off and it only got a second yellow. On that and I hate to go back to the referee but his application of the rules today was far from consistent and that was what to me made him a poor referee and probably led to him to loosing control of the game. At one stage he ticked a fella for kicking out after he had been pushed over the sideline. That said fair play to UUJ they were excellent all over the pitch and fairly deserving of their win. As for why Courtney didnt start I believe he had a hamstring injury, at least that was the talk in Wexford on Sunday.
QuoteAusty also lead with 'there were 4 players sent off...',
Are you sure that it was Austin that gave the report - it doesnt sound like him
QuoteTypical BBC, if there was no sending offs, im sure they wouldnt have mentioned the game!
In fairness to the BBC it's not their fault that players were sent off - anyhow they always give Queens-UUJ and the Sigerson Cup decent enough coverage - at least 2-3 mins on Newsline every time they play - or there is a big game in Ulster - they may send a camera/reporter to the St. Mary's game next week.
Quote from: David McKeown on February 04, 2009, 11:57:01 PM
No there were 4 sent off the day 3 straight reds and UUJ player for two bookings. From what I saw of the Courtney incident it looked like a shambolic decision as he was running out with the ball and the UUJ player seemed to run into him as he was turning. It was certainly no worse a tackle than the one from the second UUJ player to be sent off and it only got a second yellow. On that and I hate to go back to the referee but his application of the rules today was far from consistent and that was what to me made him a poor referee and probably led to him to loosing control of the game. At one stage he ticked a fella for kicking out after he had been pushed over the sideline. That said fair play to UUJ they were excellent all over the pitch and fairly deserving of their win. As for why Courtney didnt start I believe he had a hamstring injury, at least that was the talk in Wexford on Sunday.
Thats Paudie for you though, Wants to be centre stage in everything and answering both players and manners back in a way which doesnt do him any favours(only way of putting it nicely) Strutting round the field thinking he is the man
That been said, there must be serious serious ass licking done for a joke(again put nicely) to get games like that!
Looks like the Queens manager may be in trouble as regards the comments he allegedly made to reporters after the game and which appear in some of this morning's newspapers.
How good is Gareth Haughey now? I remember seeing his at full back for CBS a few years ago but haven't seen him since.
I called him a clown earlier in this thread and was reprimanded for it.
Sigerson was always renowned for being the toughest brand of football in any competition. Rarely would there have been any sendings off, never mind four in one game. The referees always let the players get on with it and didn't seek to be at the centre of it themselves. Sigerson was always tough, hard and brutal at times but it was the same for all teams.
It seems to be reduced to a namby pamby affair not helped by clowns like Padraig Hughes. Others can referee Sigerson sensibly, why can't he?
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7868547.stm (http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7868547.stm)
Not sure if Courtney deserved a straight red from these pics, the lad took a hell of a knock, but it looked like big Paul was protecting himself.
Big Colm Cav did the damage!
Fair play till the beeb for having highlights!
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QuoteAusty also lead with 'there were 4 players sent off...',
Are you sure that it was Austin that gave the report - it doesnt sound like him
QuoteTypical BBC, if there was no sending offs, im sure they wouldnt have mentioned the game!
In fairness to the BBC it's not their fault that players were sent off - anyhow they always give Queens-UUJ and the Sigerson Cup decent enough coverage - at least 2-3 mins on Newsline every time they play - or there is a big game in Ulster - they may send a camera/reporter to the St. Mary's game next week.
There was a full program of National League games at the weekend and the BBC saw fit to show Twatson cruising round Europe at our expense and an item about a freestater joining an english soccer club before a few seconds of the dublin fireworks. They're beyond parody at this stage.
I've always thought Paudie wasn't that bad of a ref tbh, I thought there were a few south armagh blinkers on when boys talked about him on Armagh threads, but he was shocking yesterday. I actually thought he caused the melee with his nonsense,the Courtney sending off looked scandalous from where I was standing and the TV coverage later did Hughes no favours either.
The game itself was poor, UUJ bossed it from start to finish, Queens tactics have been there for all to see for a few years now so MCGuickan had plenty of time to work on the game. Queens gave away inches in about 6 positions around MF and they paid for it. AS stated Hughes at CHB for UUJ was outstanding, closely followed by Cavanagh. I thought most of the damage was done by the UUJ HF line who seemed to have all the time in the world. Queens seemed devoid of ideas with only Vernon, MCGoldrick and Kielt looking like they were interested.
Just reading this blog article on yesterday's game:
http://oakleafers.blogspot.com/2009/02/poly-claim-derby-day-spoils.html
I didn't realise queens and uuj had played each other so many time in recent years. Some rivalry! Looks like yesterday was the exception to the rule - in terms of the margin of victory.
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 05, 2009, 09:26:37 AM
How good is Gareth Haughey now? I remember seeing his at full back for CBS a few years ago but haven't seen him since.
I haven't seen Haughey play for a year or two, but did he do nets a few years back for Drumragh?
Aidan Girvan from the Rock looks like a class act anytime I have seen him play.
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Quote from: nrico2006 on February 05, 2009, 09:26:37 AM
How good is Gareth Haughey now? I remember seeing his at full back for CBS a few years ago but haven't seen him since.
I haven't seen Haughey play for a year or two, but did he do nets a few years back for Drumragh?
Aidan Girvan from the Rock looks like a class act anytime I have seen him play.
I dont think Haughey was on!! The other corner back was McDermott going by the paper!!
Quote from: Carbery on February 05, 2009, 09:25:16 AM
Looks like the Queens manager may be in trouble as regards the comments he allegedly made to reporters after the game and which appear in some of this morning's newspapers.
What'd he "allegedly" say?
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Quote from: Carbery on February 05, 2009, 09:25:16 AM
Looks like the Queens manager may be in trouble as regards the comments he allegedly made to reporters after the game and which appear in some of this morning's newspapers.
What'd he "allegedly" say?
O'Rourke blasts refereeFrom Paddy Heaney at the Dub
Queen's manager Aidan O'Rourke launched a scathing attack on the referee who took control of the Belfast derby game at the Dub yesterday.
Crossmaglen whistler Padraig Hughes sent off four players in the second half. A mass melee in the 50th minute led to straight red cards for Queen's Joe O'Kane and Jordanstown's Niall McKeever.
Queen's substitute Paul Courtney received the third red card of the game for a high elbow charge on Ciaran Donnelly, while UUJ's Packie Downey was ordered off for two yellows.
Despite the high card count, the game was largely played in a good spirit until the indiscipline became a factor in the last quarter. Queen's boss Aidan O'Rourke insisted that Jordanstown were deserving six-point winners but that didn't stop him from delivering a corcuscating criticism of his fellow county man: "He lost control because he has no understanding of the general flow of how football is played. He knows a few bits and pieces about pulling jerseys..."
The Armagh player went on to make even stronger criticism of the referee's performance, although he acknowledged that he was not the reason for Queen's losing: "But that is bye the bye. He certainly didn't beat us today. He was atrocious for both teams."
O'Rourke is currently serving a one-month suspension for comments made to a linesman during the Dr McKenna Cup.
Irish News
Very poor perforamnce from QUB - just simply didn't get going. Was very frustrating to see the amount of attempted cross field balls going sttaight to Poly men. Poly dominated the middle and even when they got the possession, Queens didn't have the cutting edge they've had in recent years from the likes of Miceal O'Rourke, James McGovern and Eoin McCartan. In hindsight this Queen's side possibly became a little overrated after qualifying from the weakest McKenna Cup group. UUJ thoroughly deserved their victory.
On the referring, i have to say my initial reaction was that Courtney stuck up the elbow but the TV is inconclusive I suppose. Definitely thought the last Poly shouldn't have stood both for charging and an illegal handpass.
i didn't make the game but suprised at the result fair play to jordanstown. i counldn't believe there were 4 sent off until i heard Hughes was the referre.
i heard jordanstown had a good plan for stopping queens midfield.
ok game with the poly deserved winners, heard mcguckian was looking forward to the game and the match showed why!
poly hungrier in all departments, think courtney deserved to go seen him in the bust up landing a few punches as well, had some silly job in queens for a year to come on and kick a few stray cross field passes to uuj...your man ireland should have had a look in imo!
I think Joe Ireland was part of the backroom team not the panel.
big springy (adrian mcguckin) does it again! mastermind!
re sendings off -the queens no 6 very obviosly struck two uuj players to the head and had to go infact the punch up came about not through poor reffing but the realisation by qub players that they were beaten
Wasn't at the game this year and I'm not trying to stand up for Paudie Hughes cuz I think he's a pretty poor ref, but when reading the comments about him I can't help but remember last year's match between these two when Pat McEnaney was in charge. He's widely regarded as the best ref in the country but even he struggled and made a lot of poor decisions (possibly costing Queen's that day too). These type of matches are a referee's nightmare.
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on February 04, 2009, 03:20:16 PM
fighting at queens v poly match....not heard much on it although hear poly have match in the bag
You should know, you were there. ???
Ai just noticed that, keep the chimp in place.
A massive let down of the game.
We will leave the referee's performance out of it because all posts say the same thing.
Poly were comfortable throughout, their confidence just kept growing. Cavanagh was superb. There was one wide he kicked in the first half but his catch and turn was one of the highlight's of the game for me.
Kielt and ONeill were isolated, very little ball, did not realise until I read the paper that Kielt got five points. To be fair to them the ball in was in such a contrast from the Poly ball in, which was pin-point.
The lack of a target man also hindered Queen's significantly.
Quote from: corn02 on February 05, 2009, 09:59:27 PM
Cavanagh was superb.
Good news, wasn't 100% about him having made the grade just yet.
he's yella
Quote from: theoriginalmup on February 06, 2009, 03:26:39 AM
he's yella
Love to see you saying that to him. Sean maybe, colm not a chance!
Quote from: hardstation on February 05, 2009, 09:45:10 PM
ONL employed a monkey to post for him while he attended the game.
The monkey was better craic.
And more intelligent.
Colm not 100% fit either. Has an op to go for but was delayed because of this game!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 05, 2009, 11:07:02 PM
Quote from: corn02 on February 05, 2009, 09:59:27 PM
Cavanagh was superb.
Good news, wasn't 100% about him having made the grade just yet.
The Sigerson grade i take it you are referring to?
Quote from: bennydorano on February 05, 2009, 02:06:21 PM
I think Joe Ireland was part of the backroom team not the panel.
My bad, I was informed last night that Ireland was part of the panel. Suprised he never featured myself, I'd say playing for Down in the McKenna Cup didn't go down too well.
Quote from: Minder on February 06, 2009, 09:24:27 AM
The Sigerson grade i take it you are referring to?
We'll see ;)
Have to say I am not totally convinced about young cavanagh IMO he has a long way to go to make the grand. Have watched him on a few different occasions and there is something about him, cant really put my finger on it but something that leaves me wondering about him.
Cavanagh was superb.
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dont rate him that highly myself, when i see him line out for tyrone im happy enough. though even from those highlights he did look impressive. big step from sigerson to county senior though as has been mentioned on this board before..
was at the match and cavanagh was one of the best performers on show. really mobile for a lad his size and can certainly take a point, taking into consideration he has an op coming up i don't see why people here aren't rating him ???
Quote from: hardstation on February 05, 2009, 09:45:10 PM
ONL employed a monkey to post for him while he attended the game.
The monkey was better craic.
I refuse to believe that ONL would miss an important QUB v Poly match at the QUB. Surely there is no historical precedent for this. :D
Quote from: charlie stubbs on February 06, 2009, 09:54:03 PM
dont rate him that highly myself, when i see him line out for tyrone im happy enough.
What a really stupid statement to make....unless charlie stubbs thinks he knows more about Colm Cavanagh than Mickey Harte does!
I might be a little biased of course but, having watched Colm play week in week out for the Moy, I am convinced he has what it takes to make it at the highest level. Not only is he a great target man while playing at full forward, he is also a very useful man to have further outfield. I happen to think that centrefield is his best position. He has turned in some magnificent displays for the club as a midfielder.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 06, 2009, 11:54:10 PM
Quote from: hardstation on February 05, 2009, 09:45:10 PM
ONL employed a monkey to post for him while he attended the game.
The monkey was better craic.
I refuse to believe that ONL would miss an important QUB v Poly match at the QUB. Surely there is no historical precedent for this. :D
Course I didn't miss the match... Drove past you on the Malone Road, I even passed comment on how grey you had gotten the last while!!
Talking about the Sigerson cup, how come an outfit like the guards are in it. They are not a third level college, if they are in so should the bus drivers acadamy, the fire brigade school and army etc. The competition should be confined to bona fida universities as originally envisaged not evry tom dick and harry that attends school for the over 18s.
Quote from: southsidejohnny on February 07, 2009, 12:15:56 PM
Talking about the Sigerson cup, how come an outfit like the guards are in it. They are not a third level college, if they are in so should the bus drivers acadamy, the fire brigade school and army etc. The competition should be confined to bona fida universities as originally envisaged not evry tom dick and harry that attends school for the over 18s.
That is Cadet Tom, Cadet Dick and Cadet Harry to you.
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on February 07, 2009, 10:22:48 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 06, 2009, 11:54:10 PM
Quote from: hardstation on February 05, 2009, 09:45:10 PM
ONL employed a monkey to post for him while he attended the game.
The monkey was better craic.
I refuse to believe that ONL would miss an important QUB v Poly match at the QUB. Surely there is no historical precedent for this. :D
Course I didn't miss the match... Drove past you on the Malone Road, I even passed comment on how grey you had gotten the last while!!
I know - its a friggin terra ??? Gone way past the Just for Men stage as well! Ah well, when I started going grey at 17, I thought I wouldn't have a black hair left by now!
Quote from: Redhandfan on February 07, 2009, 12:41:56 AM
Quote from: charlie stubbs on February 06, 2009, 09:54:03 PM
dont rate him that highly myself, when i see him line out for tyrone im happy enough.
What a really stupid statement to make....unless charlie stubbs thinks he knows more about Colm Cavanagh than Mickey Harte does!
I might be a little biased of course but, having watched Colm play week in week out for the Moy, I am convinced he has what it takes to make it at the highest level. Not only is he a great target man while playing at full forward, he is also a very useful man to have further outfield. I happen to think that centrefield is his best position. He has turned in some magnificent displays for the club as a midfielder.
It's not stupid though is it? It is his opinion, Jesus, christ if someone critices a Tyrone man.
He hasn't done anything of significant note, the main reason being he is still very young. It is too early really to say if he will make it or not. The fact that you are convinced he will make it does not mean you are right and Charlie is stupid.
But he was excellent on Wed. Hughes was a free man so Cavanagh was my motm.
Quote from: southsidejohnny on February 07, 2009, 12:15:56 PM
Talking about the Sigerson cup, how come an outfit like the guards are in it. They are not a third level college, if they are in so should the bus drivers acadamy, the fire brigade school and army etc. The competition should be confined to bona fida universities as originally envisaged not evry tom dick and harry that attends school for the over 18s.
The army are in it, they have won the Trench Cup in the past. I don't know about Templemore, but the Cadet School is treated as a third level institution, allied to NUI Maynooth.
Quote from: corn02 on February 07, 2009, 01:38:31 PM
Quote from: Redhandfan on February 07, 2009, 12:41:56 AM
Quote from: charlie stubbs on February 06, 2009, 09:54:03 PM
dont rate him that highly myself, when i see him line out for tyrone im happy enough.
What a really stupid statement to make....unless charlie stubbs thinks he knows more about Colm Cavanagh than Mickey Harte does!
I might be a little biased of course but, having watched Colm play week in week out for the Moy, I am convinced he has what it takes to make it at the highest level. Not only is he a great target man while playing at full forward, he is also a very useful man to have further outfield. I happen to think that centrefield is his best position. He has turned in some magnificent displays for the club as a midfielder.
It's not stupid though is it? It is his opinion, Jesus, christ if someone critices a Tyrone man.
He hasn't done anything of significant note, the main reason being he is still very young. It is too early really to say if he will make it or not. The fact that you are convinced he will make it does not mean you are right and Charlie is stupid.
But he was excellent on Wed. Hughes was a free man so Cavanagh was my motm.
colm cavanagh is a good footballer and will make it.
Quote from: clarshack on February 07, 2009, 01:58:12 PM
Quote from: corn02 on February 07, 2009, 01:38:31 PM
Quote from: Redhandfan on February 07, 2009, 12:41:56 AM
Quote from: charlie stubbs on February 06, 2009, 09:54:03 PM
dont rate him that highly myself, when i see him line out for tyrone im happy enough.
What a really stupid statement to make....unless charlie stubbs thinks he knows more about Colm Cavanagh than Mickey Harte does!
I might be a little biased of course but, having watched Colm play week in week out for the Moy, I am convinced he has what it takes to make it at the highest level. Not only is he a great target man while playing at full forward, he is also a very useful man to have further outfield. I happen to think that centrefield is his best position. He has turned in some magnificent displays for the club as a midfielder.
It's not stupid though is it? It is his opinion, Jesus, christ if someone critices a Tyrone man.
He hasn't done anything of significant note, the main reason being he is still very young. It is too early really to say if he will make it or not. The fact that you are convinced he will make it does not mean you are right and Charlie is stupid.
But he was excellent on Wed. Hughes was a free man so Cavanagh was my motm.
colm cavanagh is a good footballer and will make it.
Tha's your opinion, Charlie doesn't think he will. At this junction, neither of yous can be proven right.
what a difference a day makes, new prices after wednesdays goings on
uuj 7-4
gardai 15-8
dcu 4-1
dit 8-1
st marys 8-1
gmit 10-1
nuig 12-1
cork it 14-1
ul 20-1
ucd 20-1
nuig are good value
I'd fancy DCU at 4/1 to be honest.
I refuse to believe that ONL would miss an important QUB v Poly match at the QUB. Surely there is no historical precedent for this. :D
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onl held in high regard at qub!was their steward 2 years ago, well suppossed to be went to the bot the night before didnt make the dub the next day!
Quote from: Redhandfan on February 07, 2009, 12:41:56 AM
Quote from: charlie stubbs on February 06, 2009, 09:54:03 PM
dont rate him that highly myself, when i see him line out for tyrone im happy enough.
What a really stupid statement to make....unless charlie stubbs thinks he knows more about Colm Cavanagh than Mickey Harte does!
I might be a little biased of course but, having watched Colm play week in week out for the Moy, I am convinced he has what it takes to make it at the highest level. Not only is he a great target man while playing at full forward, he is also a very useful man to have further outfield. I happen to think that centrefield is his best position. He has turned in some magnificent displays for the club as a midfielder.
i commended his performance on wednesday. mickey harte has made mistake before few yes but he is human.i was pointing out that cavanagh hasnt impressed me whenever i have saw him and that as an armagh man there are other people i would rather not have on the field than cavanagh.
he is young and canimprove and there is evidence of that from last wed. didnt do much in sigerson few years back at the dub? so i dont think my statement is stupid.
there is a difference between making sigerson grade and county senior. peter donnelly would be a prime example. players like dan mccartan, marl lynch, mickey mcnamee(granted hasnt been given chance) have won sigerson allstars but havent really made an impact for county.
thought this board was 4 opinions but you obv no netter than me.
Quote from: charlie stubbs on February 08, 2009, 08:49:56 PM
Quote from: Redhandfan on February 07, 2009, 12:41:56 AM
Quote from: charlie stubbs on February 06, 2009, 09:54:03 PM
dont rate him that highly myself, when i see him line out for tyrone im happy enough.
What a really stupid statement to make....unless charlie stubbs thinks he knows more about Colm Cavanagh than Mickey Harte does!
I might be a little biased of course but, having watched Colm play week in week out for the Moy, I am convinced he has what it takes to make it at the highest level. Not only is he a great target man while playing at full forward, he is also a very useful man to have further outfield. I happen to think that centrefield is his best position. He has turned in some magnificent displays for the club as a midfielder.
i commended his performance on wednesday. mickey harte has made mistake before few yes but he is human.i was pointing out that cavanagh hasnt impressed me whenever i have saw him and that as an armagh man there are other people i would rather not have on the field than cavanagh.
he is young and canimprove and there is evidence of that from last wed. didnt do much in sigerson few years back at the dub? so i dont think my statement is stupid.
there is a difference between making sigerson grade and county senior. peter donnelly would be a prime example. players like dan mccartan, marl lynch, mickey mcnamee(granted hasnt been given chance) have won sigerson allstars but havent really made an impact for county.
thought this board was 4 opinions but you obv no netter than me.
How dare you give an opinion, obviously stupid.
I have viewed a lot of the messages and read many of the reports of Wednesday's game. As a Queen's old boy, I must admit to being very disappointed at what I saw. I had been told that this was one of the best Queen's teams ever, they were outplayed in every aspect of the game and were out thought obviously before the game and during the game on and off the field of play. I was also disappointed with the behaviour of some the players when it was obvious that we weren't going to win, this was never the Queen's way! Also, would it not have been possible to have had a scoreboard and a path to the playing field that would not have had us covered in muc, surely we have lagged behind the times and have not moved on since my time and that is not today or yesterday.
Good luck to UUJ in the remainder of the competitrion, you looked a well trained and organised team.
Whendoes Jordanstown play St. Mary's and where is it?
Quote from: Winnie Peg on February 10, 2009, 08:00:17 PM
Whendoes Jordanstown play St. Mary's and where is it?
St. Marys have to play NUIG before its decided who face UUJ. Its on tomorrow in Mullahorn.
Quote from: Winnie Peg on February 10, 2009, 08:00:17 PM
Whendoes Jordanstown play St. Mary's and where is it?
near sure winner nuig/ranch play poly next wed
Quote from: corn02 on February 07, 2009, 01:38:31 PM
He hasn't done anything of significant note
Indeed. Other than getting the clinching score in the All-Ireland Senior football final and winning an All-Ireland minor title as well he has done nothing of any significant note :P.
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on February 10, 2009, 08:56:58 PM
Quote from: charlie stubbs on February 10, 2009, 08:46:58 PM
Quote from: Winnie Peg on February 10, 2009, 08:00:17 PM
Whendoes Jordanstown play St. Mary's and where is it?
near sure winner nuig/ranch play poly next wed
Where?
If it was to be St. Mary's v UUJ you would imagine Casement Park would be the venue although they should look for the Dub as it's hard to beat for College matches!
St. Mary's still have to win tomorrow although the prospect of playing the Poly should drive them on!
have my doubts on whether the ranch will win,havent much of a pedigree for winning tight sigerson games in recent times,been a long time since they've had a run in the competition but as pointed out surely a game against the poly would be great motivation.not sure whos at home for the next round.if its jordanstown casement would look like the best option but if its a st marys home fixture you could maybe see the game at st.pauls.like charlie im near sure that game will be next wednesday.
What price are NUIG today? Must have a good chance.
St Marys 8-13 NUIG 6-4
UCD 8-11 UL 5-4
Fancy a UL, NUIG double there today...
Pays just over 9/2, £5.63 for a £1
Galway 1 belfast 0
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on February 11, 2009, 10:24:02 AM
St Marys 8-13 NUIG 6-4
UCD 8-11 UL 5-4
:o I thought you were posting the results from those matches for a minute there
Quote from: ccosgrave on February 11, 2009, 02:12:36 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on February 11, 2009, 10:24:02 AM
St Marys 8-13 NUIG 6-4
UCD 8-11 UL 5-4
:o I thought you were posting the results from those matches for a minute there
Would have been great matches!
Belshaft 2 Galway 1
2-2
The words 'dire' and 'scrappy' are being used. Heavy pitch. 32 mins.
2-2 at half time
St Mary's do an Armagh and keep Galway waiting....
....and it has an immediate effect - Ranch 3 Galway 2.
4-3 Ranch
4-4
5-4 Ranch
6-4 Belfast
7-5
7-6
cheers for the updates oneill, think a draw is on the cards
7-7
FT 7-7
Extra Time?
Quote from: ONeill on February 11, 2009, 03:21:57 PM
FT 7-7
Thanks O'Neill. its at time like this that you really appreciate the gaaboard and its posters
Extra time
Quote from: redcard on February 11, 2009, 03:24:01 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 11, 2009, 03:21:57 PM
FT 7-7
Thanks O'Neill. its at time like this that you really appreciate the gaaboard and its posters
Yeah cheers...
8-7 ranch
9-8 ranch half time. 2 cj clinkers. Runnin outta battery
Great service O'Neill, fair play to ya
11-9 Galway full time
Quote from: ONeill on February 11, 2009, 03:49:56 PM
11-9 Galway full time
Balls!! There goes the hope for a ranch poly showdown!
Great result for NUIG, must have put in a powerful 2nd half in ET. Who stood out for NUIG O'Neill?
And again, thanks for all the updates.
Any word on who played well for the Ranch ONeil?
Cheers BTW
How did UL go?
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on February 11, 2009, 03:55:18 PM
Great result for NUIG, must have put in a powerful 2nd half in ET. Who stood out for NUIG O'Neill?
And again, thanks for all the updates.
I wasn't at the game - got updates from a very good samaritan. 'Twas difficult getting them up on here during a meeting. TYP would've had me sacked!
didnt think the ranch had it in them to win a tight sigerson game!!!
They didnt!
you're quick on the ball 2day sideline.how does "one" remain so sharp?
Brain foods Tommy, brain foods. Don't ask me what they are but I must be eating them to be so sharp ;D
any clues on where "one" can buy them ??? ???
"One" can get them in their local shop "one" would think. Is that sufficient information for "one"?
Meanwhile back at the ranch... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/default.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7882970.stm
BBC SPORT
Ranch in NUI Galway Sigerson test
St Mary's College will hope to set up an Ulster Bank Sigerson Cup quarter-final against holders UUJ by beating NUI Galway on Wednesday (1400 GMT). The sides were scheduled to meet last weekend but Wednesday's clash will take place at the Cavan venue of Mullahorn. St Mary's boss Paddy Tally will be hoping that CJ McGourty continues his recent brilliant scoring form. Other key men include Tyrone players Justin McMahon and Sean O'Neill plus Derry panelist Barry McGoldrick. Tally, who reports no injury worries, can also call upon Fermanagh talent Brian Og Maguire, Armagh player Paul Keenan and Antrim panelist Kevin Niblock. The game will be a tough test for Mary's as NUI Galway defeated Mayo and Sligo in the Connacht League, and also claimed a draw against Roscommon.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7882970.stm
Published: 2009/02/11 09:01:00 GMT
© BBC MMIX
Suppose everyone's ensconced in San Marino
National University of Ireland,Galway
Team and Panel:
1 Liam Grant Dún na nGall
2 David Finnegan Galway
3 Ger Cafferkey Mayo
4 Ciaran McDonald Tipperary
5 Greg Begley Galway
6 Neil Ewing Sligo
7 Peter Domican Roscommon
8 Gareth Bradshaw Galway
9 Kieran Conroy Mayo
10 Cathal Kenny Galway
11 Sean Armstrong Galway
12 Shane Stenson Sligo
13 Conor Devanney Roscommon
14 John Connellan Westmeath
15 Cathal McHugh Roscommon
16 Brendan Doherty Sligo
17 Tomas Crowe Galway
18 Robert English Westmeath
19 Paul Broderick Carlow
20 Mark Gottsche Galway
21 Leo McLoone Dún na nGall
22 Kieran O'Connor Galway
23 Ferdia Breathnach Galway
24 Denis Corroon Westmeath
25 David O'Gara Roscommon
26 Conor Healy Galway
27 Conor Leyden Galway
28 Cathal Burns Sligo
29 Micheal Nestor Mayo
30 Ruaidhri O'Connor Mayo
31 Dave Connern Galway
Bainisteoir: Eoin O'Donnellan
Selector: Adrian Hassett
By all accounts Bradshaw was the difference in the end. There is surely no way Galway will have him stuck at corner back again this year.
NUIG will have Eddie Hoare back for the UUJ match also, which is a big addition.
Well any scores from UL match?
Quote from: shark on February 12, 2009, 10:09:24 AM
By all accounts Bradshaw was the difference in the end. There is surely no way Galway will have him stuck at corner back again this year.
Played wing-back against Westmeath anyway. I think he'll probably stay there for the year. Heard he had a super game alright. Very versatile too. You could probably play him in nearly any line on the field apart from maybe the full-forward line.
Just back from Dublin, UCD 1-16 UL 1-15 after twp periods of extra time, UL came back from an eight point deficit at half time to lead by one with less than a minute remaining however a poor turn over allowed UCD the chance to equalize and they took it. A great game with plenty of thrills and spills, unfortunately the result went against the UL boys.
those anyone know where I could find out results for the freshers championship or has it started??
Having just found out freshers are ineligible for sigerson I reckon this competition could have some talent on display!
Quote from: Zulu on February 12, 2009, 10:04:52 PM
Just back from Dublin, UCD 1-16 UL 1-15 after twp periods of extra time, UL came back from an eight point deficit at half time to lead by one with less than a minute remaining however a poor turn over allowed UCD the chance to equalize and they took it. A great game with plenty of thrills and spills, unfortunately the result went against the UL boys.
cracking game, though I can't see UCD beating the Gards.
Don't know the draw for the Freshers in complete but I can tell you Sligo IT beat NUIG yesterday by a point. Very good game in which the best performers on both sides seemed to all be from Mayo. Sligo put out UCD in the first round last week.
Freshers semi-finalists - UCC, Sligo IT, Athlone IT and DCU
Will get back to ye on dates, pairings etc when I have them
sligo IT vs DCU
and
athlone IT vs UCC
seen on the master fixtures on the gaa website
Quote from: shark on February 13, 2009, 02:25:57 PM
Don't know the draw for the Freshers in complete but I can tell you Sligo IT beat NUIG yesterday by a point. Very good game in which the best performers on both sides seemed to all be from Mayo. Sligo put out UCD in the first round last week.
alot off the good minor team from last year??
DCU surely most have the pick of the countries best players??
Quote from: mattockranger on February 13, 2009, 07:52:45 PM
alot off the good minor team from last year??
DCU surely most have the pick of the countries best players??
Not sure if they were minors last year or not, wasn't familiar with that Mayo team. The pick of the bunch was the NUIG full forward, Jason Doherty. He had little support though.
DCU are sure to be strong although their best 1st year, Kieran Gavin, was opted out of Freshers so he could play Sigerson. You can't play both anymore.
Certain colleges can play players in both Freshers and Sigerson
Ulster Bank Sigerson Cup 2009
Quarter-Finals 18.02.09(Wed)
IT Sligo 2.00 UUJ v NUIG
Ref:
(E.T. if Necessary)
Cork 2.00 Cork IT v DCU
Ref: Michael Collins, Corcaigh
Galway 2.00 GMIT v DIT
Ref: Gerry Guinan, Gaillimh
(E.T. if Necessary)
Templemore 2.00 Garda College v UCD
Ref: Donal Cahill, Tiobraid Árann
(E.T. if Necessary)
UUJ v UCG is in Breffni Park
GMIT v DIT is in Pearse Stadium
UUJ v UCG is in Breffni Park
Has this game been moved from Mullaghhoran or even Sligo? Is it still on the Wednesday at 14.00?
UCG objected to Mullahoran due after playing on it last week. It was a mud bath by all accounts.
UUJ then objected to Sligo probably because of distance.
It is now on in Breffni at 2pm tomorrow
Thanks for that. Hoefully the surface will be ok and the grass not too long.
Prices
14:00 UUJ v NUIG 4 - 9 7 - 1 11 - 5
14:00 Cork IT v DCU 7 - 4 15 - 2 8 - 15
14:00 GMIT v DIT 8 - 13 15 - 2 6 - 4
14:00 Garda v UCD 4 - 11 8 - 1 5 - 2
Cork IT could be the upset there
Any chances of updates today O'Neill?
ULSTER BANK SIGERSON CUP QUARTER-FINALS
Garda College v UCD @ Templemore
Cork IT 0-05 DCU 0-05 - HT @ Cork IT
GMIT 0-07 DIT 0-06 - HT @ Pearse Stadium
UUJ 0-00 NUI Galway 0-00 - 2.30pm @ Kingspan Breffni Park
Quote from: laoisgaa on February 18, 2009, 02:45:35 PM
ULSTER BANK SIGERSON CUP QUARTER-FINALS
Garda College v UCD @ Templemore
Cork IT 0-05 DCU 0-05 - HT @ Cork IT
GMIT 0-07 DIT 0-06 - HT @ Pearse Stadium
UUJ 0-00 NUI Galway 0-00 - 2.30pm @ Kingspan Breffni Park
Much obliged.
Come on the draws...
ULSTER BANK SIGERSON CUP QUARTER-FINALS
Garda College v UCD @ Templemore
Cork IT 0-05 DCU 0-05 - HT @ Cork IT
GMIT 0-07 DIT 2-10- 45mins @ Pearse Stadium
UUJ 0-00 NUI Galway 0-00 - 2.30pm @ Kingspan Breffni Park
any score from breffni laoisgaa ?
Quote from: laoisgaa on February 18, 2009, 03:10:36 PM
ULSTER BANK SIGERSON CUP QUARTER-FINALS
Garda College v UCD @ Templemore
Cork IT 0-05 DCU 0-05 - HT @ Cork IT
GMIT 0-07 DIT 2-10- 45mins @ Pearse Stadium
UUJ 0-00 NUI Galway 0-00 - 2.30pm @ Kingspan Breffni Park
That Poly match sounds boring.
Keeping in touch with some of the games today is proving tricky! I'll post updates as soon as I have them
1-7 to 1-5 to UUJ last I heard.
DIT 2-15 GMIT 0-9 FT
Quote from: laoisgaa on February 18, 2009, 03:25:21 PM
Keeping in touch with some of the games today is proving tricky! I'll post updates as soon as I have them
Was only joking lad, wasn't having a dig. Appreciate the updates.
UUJ a point up.
I'm afraid I'm only getting the scores through Nail!
Quote from: SidelineKick on February 18, 2009, 03:32:30 PM
UUJ a point up.
I'm afraid I'm only getting the scores through Nail!
What about posession stats, any subs? Have you got the number of fouls committed? FFS Sideline.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 18, 2009, 03:34:33 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on February 18, 2009, 03:32:30 PM
UUJ a point up.
I'm afraid I'm only getting the scores through Nail!
What about posession stats, any subs? Have you got the number of fouls committed? FFS Sideline.
:D
All square in UUJ match, 10 mins left.
Get Nail to post any info he has when he gets back
UCD by 3 points
is that over laoisgaa?
if UCD DCU DIT all go through thats good goin for the dubs!
UCD through - DCU/CIT gone to extra-time
Quote from: laoisgaa on February 18, 2009, 03:46:39 PM
Get Nail to post any info he has when he gets back
Wouldnt take a day off to watch the poly...
UCD 0-15 Garda College 0-12 FT
DCU down by four points in injury-time in second half extra-time. Looks like the hosts CIT have booked a spot in the semis
Some shocks today!!
UUJ beat by 5 points.
Any latest for UUJ? If they go through they win the whole thing.
Ignore my previous post, NUIG will win the whole thing I meant.
UCG 2-10 UUJ 1-8!!!!
UCG should go on to win it now.
Was at the DIT - GMIT game. One way traffic in the second half. DIT very physically imposing team. Ross Glavin at centre back ran the game on his own terms. Strong midfield also.
FT Cork IT 1-15 DCU 0-14 aet
QuoteUCG 2-10 UUJ 1-8!!!!
Would that be considered a big shock up North?
Not in the West at any rate.
NUIG have a cracking forward line
i predicted them to win today...but not cork, definitely not UCD
Dit could do it this year
nuig will be installed as favourites
cork will have home advantage (did they do abit of recruiting for this year??)
UCD outsiders but seemingly form goes out the window this year!
anyone could win it!
Is Sheehan still at Cork?
Sheehan gone from Cork
Ulster Bank Sigerson Cup Quarter-Finals - FT's
DIT 2-15 GMIT 0-9
Cork IT 1-15 DCU 0-14 aet
NUI Galway 2-10 UUJ 1-8
UCD 0-15 Garda College 0-12
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Thanks lads for the updates. much appreciated.
I agree thanks lads
very much appreciated
Quote from: Rossie11 on February 18, 2009, 04:11:25 PM
QuoteUCG 2-10 UUJ 1-8!!!!
Would that be considered a big shock up North?
Not in the West at any rate.
NUIG have a cracking forward line
They also have a cracking full-back line.
CIT have a lot of Cork team that won All Ireland under 21 in 2007. 2 of the team that started for Cork last sunday against Kildare last week as well as 2 Subs that came on .
Quote from: marym on February 18, 2009, 04:26:15 PM
CIT have a lot of Cork team that won All Ireland under 21 in 2007. 2 of the team that started for Cork last sunday against Kildare last week as well as 2 Subs that came on .
From todays Cork Examiner
Cork will have a strong side on duty with Ray Carey, Stephen O'Donoghue and Aidan O'Sullivan laying the defensive foundations and Daniel Goulding, Paul Kerrigan and Colm O'Neill entrusted with racking up the scores.Goulding is a top class forward and Kerrigan is possibly one of the quickest around.
paul kerrigan?
any kerry boys?
NUIG full-back line? ger cafferkey full back who else?
Paul O Flynn was meant to have been outstanding . He came on against Kildare last week as did Kerrigan . Kerrigan plays with Nemo .
No high profile Kerry boys anway.
Quote from: mattockranger on February 18, 2009, 04:33:30 PM
paul kerrigan?
any kerry boys?
NUIG full-back line? ger cafferkey full back who else?
Paul Kerrigan is Jimmys son.
Cafferkey full back. Dave Finnegan (Galway) and Ciaran McDonald (Tipp) in the corners. At least thats what they had the last day. McDonald is as good a corner back as there is at u21 level anywhere in the country.
is this the same c mc donald that was full back for tipp seniors against cavan at the weekend there?
Cork Seniors going to Portugal on Monday for 6 days training. The CIT guys will not be able to go now. They are going to bring 30 players so there will be 4 others brought instead. Conor Counihan had to wait til matches were over today to make a final panel.
Quote from: marym on February 18, 2009, 04:48:49 PM
Cork Seniors going to Portugal on Monday for 6 days training. The CIT guys will not be able to go now. They are going to bring 30 players so there will be 4 others brought instead. Conor Counihan had to wait til matches were over today to make a final panel.
you are certainly in the know mairead!!
Quote from: amigo on February 18, 2009, 04:54:46 PM
Quote from: marym on February 18, 2009, 04:48:49 PM
Cork Seniors going to Portugal on Monday for 6 days training. The CIT guys will not be able to go now. They are going to bring 30 players so there will be 4 others brought instead. Conor Counihan had to wait til matches were over today to make a final panel.
you are certainly in the know mairead!!
thats what the boards about keep the info coming MaryM
Quote from: shark on February 18, 2009, 04:22:20 PM
Quote from: Rossie11 on February 18, 2009, 04:11:25 PM
QuoteUCG 2-10 UUJ 1-8!!!!
Would that be considered a big shock up North?
Not in the West at any rate.
NUIG have a cracking forward line
They also have a cracking full-back line.
Plus they have Gareth Bradshaw.
Looking at them they have a nice even spread of talent.
Just as well some of us put 50 notes on Cork It this morning. Saw the odds, couldn't believe my luck.
Quote from: ulster-boy on February 18, 2009, 04:44:19 PM
is this the same c mc donald that was full back for tipp seniors against cavan at the weekend there?
Correct. Ciaran McDonald was corner back for the Tipp senior team last year, but played full back for the Under 21's and had an excellent game in holding Tommy Walsh (Kerry) to a point in the Munster Final. He is now playing full back on both the Senior and Under 21 Tipperary teams. He is a fine young player.
Quote from: INDIANA on February 18, 2009, 05:18:55 PM
Just as well some of us put 50 notes on Cork It this morning. Saw the odds, couldn't believe my luck.
Match or outright?
Both!
Quote from: INDIANA on February 18, 2009, 05:52:14 PM
Both!
Good on ya!! What was the outright price before today??
Quote from: shark on February 18, 2009, 04:08:09 PM
UCG 2-10 UUJ 1-8!!!!
UCG should go on to win it now.
Was at the DIT - GMIT game. One way traffic in the second half. DIT very physically imposing team. Ross Glavin at centre back ran the game on his own terms. Strong midfield also.
Why? Some of the Ulster boys seem to be under the impression that Queens or UUJ are the Sigerson front runners every year and that is simply not the case. I fancied NUIG big time today because they were the better looking team on paper, I think some lads north of Cavan need to remember that there is a lot of football played down south as well, I wouldn't have fancied UUJ against anyone today bar GMIT and possibly UCD. For me the only big upset today was the Guards getting beaten and all of the four remaining teams have a great chance now.
Was on Irish Examiner about Cork Seniors going to Portugal .
Quote from: Zulu on February 18, 2009, 06:21:50 PM
Quote from: shark on February 18, 2009, 04:08:09 PM
UCG 2-10 UUJ 1-8!!!!
UCG should go on to win it now.
Was at the DIT - GMIT game. One way traffic in the second half. DIT very physically imposing team. Ross Glavin at centre back ran the game on his own terms. Strong midfield also.
Why? Some of the Ulster boys seem to be under the impression that Queens or UUJ are the Sigerson front runners every year and that is simply not the case. I fancied NUIG big time today because they were the better looking team on paper, I think some lads north of Cavan need to remember that there is a lot of football played down south as well, I wouldn't have fancied UUJ against anyone today bar GMIT and possibly UCD. For me the only big upset today was the Guards getting beaten and all of the four remaining teams have a great chance now.
Quite understandably given their record in the competition in recent years. Its 6 years since there's been a final without one of them involved.
well pointed out AFS, both of them have been the dominant force of sigerson football in recent times. also worth noting UUJ were missing their crossmaglen contingent for the game today as well as Antrim prospect Niall McKeever(currently on trials with a number of clubs in Australia). However, take nothing away from NUIG..they should go the whole way now!!
In university competitions what you did even last year can have limited influence on your chances this year and certainly your record 3 to 6 years ago has nothing to do with it. What I'm pointing out is that many Ulster lads seem to have lost a good deal of objectivity when looking at football, anybody who knew anything about football in general would have known that NUIG were more than capable of beating UUJ but now that they have, some Ulster posters are suggesting they are now favourites, i.e. any team that beats Queens or UUJ are automatically favourites, which is not necessarily true.
Quote from: Zulu on February 18, 2009, 07:59:50 PM
In university competitions what you did even last year can have limited influence on your chances this year and certainly your record 3 to 6 years ago has nothing to do with it. What I'm pointing out is that many Ulster lads seem to have lost a good deal of objectivity when looking at football, anybody who knew anything about football in general would have known that NUIG were more than capable of beating UUJ but now that they have, some Ulster posters are suggesting they are now favourites, i.e. any team that beats Queens or UUJ are automatically favourites, which is not necessarily true.
Calm down. I think, especially considering UUJ were the tournament favourites going into this weekend, that its relatively accurate to describe today's result as a shock. At the same time I don't think I read too many posts dismissing NUIG's chances completely.
Its always difficult to gauge the true worth of teams in competitions like this, when most people will only see a couple of teams themselves and will be relying on second hand reports of most other teams. Another factor in people having UUJ favourites before today's game may have the fact that NUIG only scraped past St. Mary's in the last round. St. Mary's being a team that UUJ would have known very well and expected to overcome had they met.
I'm not getting excited about this AFS, just pointing out that at least 3 posters have already made NUIG favourites solely on the grounds that they beat UUJ, i.e. they don't know much about NUIG or the remaining teams in the Sigerson yet because NUIG beat UUJ they must now be the team to beat. That indicates both a lack of knowledge of football at this level and a presumption that the Ulster universities are clearly the best in the country, which they are not. It's a bit dismissive of the standard of football in other Universities is all and as someone who'd know a thing or two about it it's a bit annoying but I'm just pointing that out, you can take it or leave it.
Good win for UCG today. They took a while to get going but were well worth it. UUJ had a flyer of a start but couldn't keep it going. UUJ didn't seem to ha ve an idea in the second half. Enjoyable game for the neutral.
Quote from: Zulu on February 18, 2009, 08:48:08 PM
I'm not getting excited about this AFS, just pointing out that at least 3 posters have already made NUIG favourites solely on the grounds that they beat UUJ, i.e. they don't know much about NUIG or the remaining teams in the Sigerson yet because NUIG beat UUJ they must now be the team to beat. That indicates both a lack of knowledge of football at this level and a presumption that the Ulster universities are clearly the best in the country, which they are not. It's a bit dismissive of the standard of football in other Universities is all and as someone who'd know a thing or two about it it's a bit annoying but I'm just pointing that out, you can take it or leave it.
Now it hardly shows a lack of knowledge of football since the poly were favourites to win the competition before today, and since NUIG beat the favourites then its a pretty good assumption that they should now be seen as the team to beat!! Also as either the poly or queens have been in the past 6 sigerson finals then i would go along with the idea that the Belfast university's (not ulster university's as the rest in ulster are tripe) are the best university's in the country in the past few years.
DCU would have been many peoples favourites and both CIT and the Guards were also fancied, Queens for example were hammered by DCU in the league and the Guards won it so Queens favouritism was largely based on their McKenna cup run. I'm not disputing that both Queens and UUJ had fine teams this year but anyone who knows his Sigerson football wouldn't have either of them as clear favourites prior to the start and there is little logic in making NUIG favourites because they beat UUJ. Why not CIT who are hosting the Sigerson and have beaten a star studded DCU, or an injury depleted UCD who have beaten both UL and the Guards, likewise DIT who beat GMIT well are worthy of consideration. I'm just pointing out that it is somewhat arrogant to presume the conquorers of one of the Ulster powerhouses are now automatically favourites.
by the way Zulu i hope you weren't trying to make out that ulster starts north of cavan because in case you missed that day in geography then ill update you, ulster has 9 counties!! including cavan and since the GAA doesn't recognised ireland as divided then you need to let that whole north-south thing lie, were just one big happy GAA family ;D divided into 4 provinces of course and then into 32 counties and then into clubs but were definitely all a happy family!!!!
Quote from: longshanks original on February 19, 2009, 12:11:28 AM
by the way Zulu i hope you weren't trying to make out that ulster starts north of cavan because in case you missed that day in geography then ill update you, ulster has 9 counties!! including cavan and since the GAA doesn't recognised ireland as divided then you need to let that whole north-south thing lie, were just one big happy GAA family ;D divided into 4 provinces of course and then into 32 counties and then into clubs but were definitely all a happy family!!!!
That's not what longshanks would say :)
I'm sure longshanks had very little to say on the partition of ireland saying he was 6 foot under at this stage!!! ::)
Quote from: longshanks original on February 19, 2009, 12:11:28 AM
by the way Zulu i hope you weren't trying to make out that ulster starts north of cavan because in case you missed that day in geography then ill update you, ulster has 9 counties!! including cavan and since the GAA doesn't recognised ireland as divided then you need to let that whole north-south thing lie, were just one big happy GAA family ;D divided into 4 provinces of course and then into 32 counties and then into clubs but were definitely all a happy family!!!!
;D Jaysus, not at all, I'm a 32 county man.
Thats good i was under the impression yous mexicans didnt want us :D
Sigerson Cup Fixtures
Semi Finals 27.02.09(Fri)
Cork IT 12.00 NUIG v Cork IT
Cork IT 3.00 DIT v UCD
Final 28.02.09 (Sat) in Cork IT @ 3.00pm
No matter what you say Zulu, the bookies had QUB as pre tournament favourites, then when the poly beat them they were installed as favourites...
Why would they do that when they were the worst teams in the competition?
Match report on NUIG v UUJ
Galway countymen Sean Armstrong and Gareth Bradshaw starred as NUIG hit 1-4 without reply in the final 18 minutes to oust UUJ (2-10 to 1-8) from the race to land this year's Ulster Bank Sigerson Cup after an enthralling tie at Kingspan/Breffni Park.
Bolstered by an opportunist Colm Kavanagh goal, UUJ impressed as they sashayed their way into a 1-3 to 0-0 lead after only nine minutes.
But just 90 seconds later NUIG replied in devastating fashion with Mark Gottsche goaling after a lung-bursting run by centre-back Bradshaw split open the UUJ defence.
Even though UUJ's 1-7 to 1-5 interval lead was deserved, it exhibited a paper rather than a steely veneer and once the third quarter beckoned, NUIG began to punch holes in it.
With playmaker-supreme Sean Armstrong getting more and more on the ball, NUIG's march to the winner's enclosure kicked off once the impressive Paul Broderick (Carlow) levelled matters, 1-8 apiece, in the 49th minute.
The beginning of the end for UUJ dawned after the combined forces of Donal Morgan and Daniel Bateson felled Sean Armstrong as he bore down on Greg Kelly's goal with less than four minutes of normal time remaining.
Once Broderick cooly blasted home the resultant penalty spot, it was obvious the die was cast.
NUIG now had the momentum, big-time, and they finished with a spring in their step and a swagger too with sub Eddie Hoare and John Connellan putting the final nails in UUJ's coffin.
NUIG - L Grant; C McDonald, G Cafferkey, D Finnegan; N Ewing, G Bradshaw, P Domican; M Gottsche (1-0), K Conroy; C Kenny (0-2), S Armstrong (0-1), J Connellan (0-3); P Broderick (1-3), G Begley, C Healy. Subs: Conor Devaney for M Gottsche; E Hoare (0-1) for C Healy.
UUJ - G Kelly; D McDermott, A Girvan, D Morgan (0-1); K Nolan, D Hughes, D Bateson; J Colgan, P Downey; C Donnelly (0-3), T McCann (0-3), R Mulgrew (0-1); C Kavanagh (1-0), S Forker, D Mulholland. Subs: P Hughes for D Mullholland; C Murray for S Forker.
Great result altogether for the College. Bradshaw is having some start to the season, finally delivering on his undoubted potential. Serious players to be able to bring off the bench too in Eddie Hoare and Conor Devaney. Interesting to see last year's Mayo full-back and this year's playing, and Kieran Conroy playing in his right position - midfield!
Was Conroy not with GMIT last year? very confusing
Quote from: mattockranger on February 19, 2009, 01:14:22 PM
Was Conroy not with GMIT last year? very confusing
Might be Paul Conroy you're thinking of. He's still at GMIT.
I think Queens were vastly better than UUJ .Just that UUJ caught them on a bad day. UUJ in my view were never going to win that competition this year. In my view Queens could have and maybe should have. One look at Cork IT's teamsheet would tell anyone who knew anything about Gaelic Football would know the odds for yesterday's game were ridiculous.
Didn't fancy the Guards either. Too many big lads and precious little flair. That being said I don't see UCD winning it. DIT and NUIG final for me.
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on February 19, 2009, 11:58:51 AM
No matter what you say Zulu, the bookies had QUB as pre tournament favourites, then when the poly beat them they were installed as favourites...
Why would they do that when they were the worst teams in the competition?
Where did I say they were the worst teams in the competition, I thought Queens were very good but I didn't rate UUJ? I'm not sure what the betting was pior to the start but DCU would also have been there or thereabouts so surely CIT have as much right to favouritism as NUIG, especially considering they're hosting it. The point I'm making is that a few Ulster posters seem to be of the mindset that beating Queens or UUJ is a shock or means that tthe team to do so are automatically favourites from here on in, it's a bit arrogant and, if you know your Sigerson football beyond Ulster, simply wrong.
CIT / DIT final for me. Hosts have proved to have a fair starting advantage in the past, although UCD are a fair surprise package.
I'd say queens were possibly the best team in it this year and were caught out. A weaker 08 queens team beat a UCG 08 team that was stronger than this years.
i simply cannot understand zulu how u dont rate this UUJ team? they probably have the most inter-county players than any of the other teams in this years competition! here is just a few..Darren Hughes(Monaghan), Tomas McCann Niall McKeever Conor Murray(Antrim), James Colgan Packy Downey(Down), Stefan Forker Paul Kernan(Armagh) Colm Cavanagh Raymond Mulgrew(Tyrone). They are a very talented team in my eyes!!
I would say uuj wouldn't be in the top five in terms of numbers of intercounty players
Quote from: mattockranger on February 19, 2009, 01:14:22 PM
Was Conroy not with GMIT last year? very confusing
Kieran Conroy was with GMIT last year afaik. He's probably doing an engineering course, which, to be completed to degree level, requires a switch to NUI Galway
Quote from: ulster-boy on February 19, 2009, 02:38:52 PM
i simply cannot understand zulu how u dont rate this UUJ team? they probably have the most inter-county players than any of the other teams in this years competition! here is just a few..Darren Hughes(Monaghan), Tomas McCann Niall McKeever Conor Murray(Antrim), James Colgan Packy Downey(Down), Stefan Forker Paul Kernan(Armagh) Colm Cavanagh Raymond Mulgrew(Tyrone). They are a very talented team in my eyes!!
In fairness most of those lads don't regularly line out with their counties. The two Armagh boys would have maybe 1 Championship appearance between them.
Quote from: AFS on February 19, 2009, 03:12:59 PM
Quote from: ulster-boy on February 19, 2009, 02:38:52 PM
i simply cannot understand zulu how u dont rate this UUJ team? they probably have the most inter-county players than any of the other teams in this years competition! here is just a few..Darren Hughes(Monaghan), Tomas McCann Niall McKeever Conor Murray(Antrim), James Colgan Packy Downey(Down), Stefan Forker Paul Kernan(Armagh) Colm Cavanagh Raymond Mulgrew(Tyrone). They are a very talented team in my eyes!!
In fairness most of those lads don't regularly line out with their counties. The two Armagh boys would have maybe 1 Championship appearance between them.
well sigerson cup football is generally percieved as the stepping stone to inter-county, so im sure we will see them in future years! and remember young forker is still a teenager, the fact that big Joe Kernan called him up to the Armagh senior panel while he was still at school underlines his huge potential.
Possibly but it doesn't mean that "they probably have the most inter-county players than any of the other teams in this years competition".
With my reckoning, UUJ had a very small number of county players this year. Going on this weekends national league, I believe that Hughes of Monaghan and cavanagh were the onlyt players who started for their counties. Have never been impressed wiuth young forker, not a stop scorer nor creates many chances either. Maybe Big Joe bringing him in too young might have something to do with his lack of development. I was surprised at UUJ's defeat but when you read the NUIG team and saw trhe number of real established county players on their team and indeed on the other southern university teams, i realised that 3rd level football up here isn't what we might think.
Quote from: Winnie Peg on February 19, 2009, 04:20:25 PM
With my reckoning, UUJ had a very small number of county players this year. Going on this weekends national league, I believe that Hughes of Monaghan and cavanagh were the onlyt players who started for their counties. Have never been impressed wiuth young forker, not a stop scorer nor creates many chances either. Maybe Big Joe bringing him in too young might have something to do with his lack of development. I was surprised at UUJ's defeat but when you read the NUIG team and saw trhe number of real established county players on their team and indeed on the other southern university teams, i realised that 3rd level football up here isn't what we might think.
UUJ and Queens would be at a general disadvantage when it comes to recruiting young players though.
with the exception of some from Monaghan, and a few Donegal lads,(and Barry Moran of Mayo i believe a few years ago) Neither attract nearly any young players from south of the border,
compare it to DCU who have players from every province in their Academy, NUIG would pick up Connachts best but also some of the best from the Midlands, Northern parts of Munster and up as far as Cavan.
The Southern schools would have more counties within their catchment region.
forker got man of the match in the ulster u21 final last year in which he scored 5 or 6 points i tink. i also remember watching him in a MacRory cup game for St.Pats academy,Dungannon a while back where he scored 7points from midfield..he was the only academy scorer that day. one of the best individual performances i ever witnessed.
In fairness BM that isn't really true, in Munster you have UCC, UL, CIT, LIT, WIT and IIT so in a more hurling orientated province you have 6 colleges looking for any talent available. And CIT for example are almost exclusively made up of Cork players so they have got to the weekend based largely on the talent of one county. It is a similar story in Connacht and Leinster so I don't think the Ulster colleges are disadvantaged by their pick.
Quote from: ulster-boy on February 19, 2009, 02:38:52 PM
i simply cannot understand zulu how u dont rate this UUJ team? they probably have the most inter-county players than any of the other teams in this years competition! here is just a few..Darren Hughes(Monaghan), Tomas McCann Niall McKeever Conor Murray(Antrim), James Colgan Packy Downey(Down), Stefan Forker Paul Kernan(Armagh) Colm Cavanagh Raymond Mulgrew(Tyrone). They are a very talented team in my eyes!!
I think it's just the standard that we're taking about here UB, obviously UUJ have good players but the standard is very high and I didn't think this years squad were at the same level as some of the other colleges. Lots of the teams have established IC players supported by county U21 players and I didn't see UUJ winning it. In saying that I thought UCD would lose to both UL and the Guards so it is hard to call and big names don't always mean much in Sigerson.
Quote from: ulster-boy on February 19, 2009, 03:43:28 PM
remember young forker is still a teenager, the fact that big Joe Kernan called him up to the Armagh senior panel while he was still at school underlines his huge potential.
I don't think that can be true UB. Forker played against Mayo minors in the 2005 All-Ireland quarter-final. Now presuming he was just in his first year minor that year, that would mean he is 21 this year. He could possibly be 23 but definitely not in his teens.
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on February 19, 2009, 04:30:04 PM
UUJ and Queens would be at a general disadvantage when it comes to recruiting young players though.
with the exception of some from Monaghan, and a few Donegal lads,(and Barry Moran of Mayo i believe a few years ago) Neither attract nearly any young players from south of the border,
compare it to DCU who have players from every province in their Academy, NUIG would pick up Connachts best but also some of the best from the Midlands, Northern parts of Munster and up as far as Cavan.
The Southern schools would have more counties within their catchment region.
Is the reverse not true? That no players from the six counties play down south. There's only two good Sigerson teams in the north in UUJ and Queens, with Mary's taking an odd decent footballer too. Given that players will be coming from the six counties they actually have a great pick. Whereas down south you have competitive Sigerson teams from GMIT, NUIG, UL, LIT, CIT, UCC, UCD, DCU, DIT, Athlone IT and Dundalk IT and Garda. Then you have plenty of Marys type teams like Sligo IT, Maynooth, Carlow, Letterkenny etc. That means players tend to be more thinly spread across colleges in the south than the north.
BTW - Andy Moran is the Mayo lad you're referring too, Barry Moran is with DIT.
Forker played in the Rannafast Final in September 04 as a 5th year so he'd have been 15 or 16 at that time - so he'd be U21 this year and possibly next year
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on February 19, 2009, 06:32:34 PM
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BTW - Andy Moran is the Mayo lad you're referring too,(sic)
Andy Moran is NOT a "Mayo lad". >:(
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on February 19, 2009, 06:32:34 PM
Quote from: ulster-boy on February 19, 2009, 03:43:28 PM
remember young forker is still a teenager, the fact that big Joe Kernan called him up to the Armagh senior panel while he was still at school underlines his huge potential.
I don't think that can be true UB. Forker played against Mayo minors in the 2005 All-Ireland quarter-final. Now presuming he was just in his first year minor that year, that would mean he is 21 this year. He could possibly be 23 but definitely not in his teens.
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on February 19, 2009, 04:30:04 PM
UUJ and Queens would be at a general disadvantage when it comes to recruiting young players though.
with the exception of some from Monaghan, and a few Donegal lads,(and Barry Moran of Mayo i believe a few years ago) Neither attract nearly any young players from south of the border,
compare it to DCU who have players from every province in their Academy, NUIG would pick up Connachts best but also some of the best from the Midlands, Northern parts of Munster and up as far as Cavan.
The Southern schools would have more counties within their catchment region.
Is the reverse not true? That no players from the six counties play down south. There's only two good Sigerson teams in the north in UUJ and Queens, with Mary's taking an odd decent footballer too. Given that players will be coming from the six counties they actually have a great pick. Whereas down south you have competitive Sigerson teams from GMIT, NUIG, UL, LIT, CIT, UCC, UCD, DCU, DIT, Athlone IT and Dundalk IT and Garda. Then you have plenty of Marys type teams like Sligo IT, Maynooth, Carlow, Letterkenny etc. That means players tend to be more thinly spread across colleges in the south than the north.
BTW - Andy Moran is the Mayo lad you're referring too, Barry Moran is with DIT.
i suppose you could say that, ive always wondered why the likes of DCU etc have never targeted the best of the young talent in the "six counties" the likes of James Kielt(the whole Tyrone minor team :D) and co,
My reasoning behind it was,
UUJ and Queens really have only to pick from Down,Antrim,Derry,Tyrone,Armagh and Fermanagh plus the few Monaghan lads,
i know there is more competition,but the likes of Athlone IT would have a catchment area, of say Westmeath,Offaly,Galway,Roscommon,Leitrim,Longford,Cavan,Maybe Kildare and Meath aswell,
it probably evens itself up.
Catchment areas don't really apply with regard to colleges down south in fairness. Like this year out of the Mayo lads playing Sigerson you have Tom Parsons and Alan Costello in Sligo IT; Donal Vaughan and Tom Cunniffe in GMIT; Ger Cafferkey and Kieran Conroy in NUIG; Barry Moran and Kevin McLoughlin in DIT; Conor Mort in DCU; Mark Ronaldson in UCD; Ger Brady with Garda and Enda Varley and Seamie O'Shea in UL, that's a fair spread around the country when you think of it.
Regarding DCU and Ulster lads, I hear Peter Harte, nephew of Mickey and centre-half back from the Tyrone minors last year, could be on the way there in Sept.
Is Niall Mc Kenna in college up north?
Kyle Coney would also be some pick up for whoever.
Lads a Sigerson winning team just doesn't happen in one year. It's normally made up of players in their final year of study with fair number of post grads. This gives the team an edge physically. It also means that the team has been playing as a unit for a number of years. You also have to look at the previous year's performance and the number of players that have graduated. Queens only beat NUIG last year by a point ,So NUIG always had a good team and they have added a few players even from GMIT. UUJ have lost Mark Lynch,Peter Donnelly, Karl Lacey, Paddy Cunningham, Brendan Mc Kenna, Paul Mc Guigan, Andy Moran, Michael Mc Alister, Karl Lacy, and Charlie Harrison. Nearly thier entire team. With Damian Mc Caul and Colm Murney injured, the Crossmaglen lads missing and Niall Mc Keever suspended they were never going to win this year's Sigerson. Anyone watching Sigerson carefully,would never have installed them as favourites and when Queens where well beaten by DCU in the Ryan Cup the writing was on the wall never mind the Mc Kenna Cup. They and thier management had themselves talked in agood team. UUJ are a very young side and do not lose many players and will probably be a force to contend with next year. UUJ are now attracting most of the top gaelic footballers in Ulster because of the sports, physiotherapy, engineering, accounting,business and marketing courses, world class facilities and a 1st class management and administration system in place especially with Adrian Mc Guckin and Barney Mc Aleenan. Queens are losing most of their team and will be at the rebuilding stage. Anyone of the four remaining teams are capable of winning it this year.
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BTW - Andy Moran is the Mayo lad you're referring too,(sic)
Andy Moran is NOT a "Mayo lad". >:(
Build a wall . . .
id be careful what you ask for RGS :D
Rossfan a great poster on this board,loses the head when it comes to Ballaghdereen.
Quote from: mockba on February 19, 2009, 07:50:53 PM
Lads a Sigerson winning team just doesn't happen in one year. It's normally made up of players in their final year of study with fair number of post grads. This gives the team an edge physically. It also means that the team has been playing as a unit for a number of years. You also have to look at the previous year's performance and the number of players that have graduated. Queens only beat NUIG last year by a point ,So NUIG always had a good team and they have added a few players even from GMIT. UUJ have lost Mark Lynch,Peter Donnelly, Karl Lacey, Paddy Cunningham, Brendan Mc Kenna, Paul Mc Guigan, Andy Moran, Michael Mc Alister, Karl Lacy, and Charlie Harrison. Nearly thier entire team. With Damian Mc Caul and Colm Murney injured, the Crossmaglen lads missing and Niall Mc Keever suspended they were never going to win this year's Sigerson. Anyone watching Sigerson carefully,would never have installed them as favourites and when Queens where well beaten by DCU in the Ryan Cup the writing was on the wall never mind the Mc Kenna Cup. They and thier management had themselves talked in agood team. UUJ are a very young side and do not lose many players and will probably be a force to contend with next year. UUJ are now attracting most of the top gaelic footballers in Ulster because of the sports, physiotherapy, engineering, accounting,business and marketing courses, world class facilities and a 1st class management and administration system in place especially with Adrian Mc Guckin and Barney Mc Aleenan. Queens are losing most of their team and will be at the rebuilding stage. Anyone of the four remaining teams are capable of winning it this year.
Don't forget colouring in!
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on February 19, 2009, 08:05:28 PM
Rossfan a great poster on this board,loses the head when it comes to Ballaghdereen.
Go to the top of the whitelist Ballyhaise... ;D as you're obviously a good judge of things
You'd lose your head too if say Belturbet played in Monaghan or Virginia in Meath and their players werent eligible to play for Cavan.
Anyway a few Ros men helping out with NUIG - Peter Domican and I believe Devaney played some part too.
Who is in charge of NUIG this year and does the 'Horse' Regan have any input ?
Quote from: tyrone86 on February 19, 2009, 06:42:58 PM
Forker played in the Rannafast Final in September 04 as a 5th year so he'd have been 15 or 16 at that time - so he'd be U21 this year and possibly next year
This would be his final year at U-21, meaning that turns 21 this year sometime, if he hasn't done so already. So he's definitely not still a teenager.
Quote from: dodo on February 19, 2009, 09:26:10 PM
Who is in charge of NUIG this year and does the 'Horse' Regan have any input ?
Eoin O'Donnellan is the UCG manager. He trained Salthill to their All-Ireland and is Kiltoom manager now.
Adrian Hassatt their development officer is his selector.
Horse is involved only with the hurlers, has been this way for years now.
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Quote from: mockba on February 19, 2009, 07:50:53 PM
Lads a Sigerson winning team just doesn't happen in one year. It's normally made up of players in their final year of study with fair number of post grads. This gives the team an edge physically. It also means that the team has been playing as a unit for a number of years. You also have to look at the previous year's performance and the number of players that have graduated. Queens only beat NUIG last year by a point ,So NUIG always had a good team and they have added a few players even from GMIT. UUJ have lost Mark Lynch,Peter Donnelly, Karl Lacey, Paddy Cunningham, Brendan Mc Kenna, Paul Mc Guigan, Andy Moran, Michael Mc Alister, Karl Lacy, and Charlie Harrison. Nearly thier entire team. With Damian Mc Caul and Colm Murney injured, the Crossmaglen lads missing and Niall Mc Keever suspended they were never going to win this year's Sigerson. Anyone watching Sigerson carefully,would never have installed them as favourites and when Queens where well beaten by DCU in the Ryan Cup the writing was on the wall never mind the Mc Kenna Cup. They and thier management had themselves talked in agood team. UUJ are a very young side and do not lose many players and will probably be a force to contend with next year. UUJ are now attracting most of the top gaelic footballers in Ulster because of the sports, physiotherapy, engineering, accounting,business and marketing courses, world class facilities and a 1st class management and administration system in place especially with Adrian Mc Guckin and Barney Mc Aleenan. Queens are losing most of their team and will be at the rebuilding stage. Anyone of the four remaining teams are capable of winning it this year.
Don't forget colouring in!
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Quote from: Rossfan on February 19, 2009, 08:48:54 PM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on February 19, 2009, 08:05:28 PM
Rossfan a great poster on this board,loses the head when it comes to Ballaghdereen.
Go to the top of the whitelist Ballyhaise... ;D as you're obviously a good judge of things
You'd lose your head too if say Belturbet played in Monaghan or Virginia in Meath and their players werent eligible to play for Cavan.
Anyway a few Ros men helping out with NUIG - Peter Domican and I believe Devaney played some part too.
Well was Belturbet once part of Monaghan and only moved into Cavan for reasons of rates? And would most of the population align themselves with Monaghan? Then you'd have a valid comparison.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on February 19, 2009, 07:25:31 PM
Mayo lads playing Sigerson you have Tom Parsons and Alan Costello
Parsons not a Mayo lad and i believe Costello has thrown his lot in with Sligo. Thought i'd get in before Sligonian:)
Mockba where's your crayons?
Quote from: doire na raithe on February 20, 2009, 10:45:37 AM
Mockba where's your crayons?
As a past and proud Queen's student and Sigerson Cup Player and having read some of your past postings, I sincerely hope that you are not a student in our university.
I hear DIT did quite well, even without their 2 Dublin stars Mark Vaughan and Paul Flynn. They were disappointed at this stage last year, i'd fancy them to do well.
Any news? Favourites etc? Seems to be less interest on this board when the northern teams are knocked out ;D
CIT would be my favourites, though that is largely based on the fact that they are hosting it, in terms of quality I don't think there is much between the teams. UCD are the surprise packet but I'd expect them to come up short against DIT, so a DIT V CIT final for me, with CIT probably winning it.
Quote from: Sligoper on February 25, 2009, 02:26:31 PM
Any news? Favourites etc? Seems to be less interest on this board when the northern teams are knocked out ;D
I lost interest around 2.30 the Wednesday UUJ beat Queens at the Dub
Outright prices:
DIT 21-10
CIT 21-10
NUIG 5-2
UCD 7-2
Match prices:
Cork 10-11 Draw 13-2 NUIG 11-10
DIT 4-7 Draw 13-2 UCD 7-4
Dromintee interest in one team still, so i'll keep an eye on things. :P
Rumour (only a rumour mind) that Kilmacud Crokes are trying to pull their players from the weekend. Can think of 3 players offhand that might be involved, Vaughan,O'Rourke and O'Sullivan. May be others.
Wouldn't be too impressed with them if they succeed.
Quote from: corn02 on February 25, 2009, 03:36:15 PM
Dromintee interest in one team still, so i'll keep an eye on things. :P
Who is that?
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on February 25, 2009, 04:27:40 PM
Quote from: corn02 on February 25, 2009, 03:36:15 PM
Dromintee interest in one team still, so i'll keep an eye on things. :P
Who is that?
UCD manager, at least I think he is still in charge.
Quote from: Canalman on February 25, 2009, 03:43:42 PM
Rumour (only a rumour mind) that Kilmacud Crokes are trying to pull their players from the weekend. Can think of 3 players offhand that might be involved, Vaughan,O'Rourke and O'Sullivan. May be others.
Wouldn't be too impressed with them if they succeed.
Yeah i heard that too, Vaughan and O'Sullivan would be massive loses for their Universities and it would be bang out of order for Crokes to try this IMO. There is 3 weeks to the club finals and playing top level football is the best way to prepare for top level football, the risk of injury is always there and is part and parcel of the GAA.
Has anyone seen much of NUIG this year? They've a decent side and I'm impressed with their strength in depth, they could be the surprise team yet
Quote from: corn02 on February 25, 2009, 04:34:40 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on February 25, 2009, 04:27:40 PM
Quote from: corn02 on February 25, 2009, 03:36:15 PM
Dromintee interest in one team still, so i'll keep an eye on things. :P
Who is that?
UCD manager, at least I think he is still in charge.
UCD manager is down as m o'rourke. who's that corn?
Quote from: The GAA on February 25, 2009, 04:54:22 PM
Quote from: corn02 on February 25, 2009, 04:34:40 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on February 25, 2009, 04:27:40 PM
Quote from: corn02 on February 25, 2009, 03:36:15 PM
Dromintee interest in one team still, so i'll keep an eye on things. :P
Who is that?
UCD manager, at least I think he is still in charge.
UCD manager is down as m o'rourke. who's that corn?
Malachy.
any relation to the other o'rourkes?
Quote from: Canalman on February 25, 2009, 03:43:42 PM
Rumour (only a rumour mind) that Kilmacud Crokes are trying to pull their players from the weekend. Can think of 3 players offhand that might be involved, Vaughan,O'Rourke and O'Sullivan. May be others.
Wouldn't be too impressed with them if they succeed.
Heard the rumour myself from a reliable enough source.
Its not a rumour , its a fact. UCD won't have Cian O Sullivan- not sure about Barry O Rourke. Vaughan is not playing for DIT either.
Terrible attitude from Kilmacud if this is true
Bad from from KC if true. I know for a fact that UCD have obliged Crokes with the use of the Belfield pitches over the years. Don't think this issue is over yet, afaik any player on a scholarship is obliged to play with College. With regards to UCD, I can't see Dave Billings letting this one lie ......especially with the competition wide open this year.
Coláiste Eoin CBS, St Benildus, Oatlands CBS (all Crokes' "feeder schools") have also used the Belfield pitches over the years also.
On yer bike lads. You might get to a club final once in your life. If one of them got injured playing sigerson and missed the all-ireland final Carr would be hauled over the coals. Proper order if you ask me.Sigerson isn't in a hapenny place compared to a club All-Ireland. We pulled all our players out of Sigerson,county u21's etc last year and it was well worth it.
None of the UCD Crokes players are on football scholarships so there is nothing they can do about it.
Noone owns these players - certainly not their club. each player should mae up his own mind and if he agrees with you idiana then fair enough. it is very easy to say that a club championship is more important than a sigerson medal when you're not playing at a sigerson weekend. may be more important to you but not everyone will agree with you
it kind of devalues the competition as a whole....it puts the lads in an awful position with their peers....pulling out a squad on an all-ireland weekend would let their whole squad down and add a bit of gloom to the whole weekend.....
i'm sure vaughan o'sullivan and o'rourke would love to get their hands on a sigerson cup medal after doing their utmost to get there....and the opportunity might never come their way again...an awful regret to have on their conscience and unfair on the crokes to do so...
Knowing Vaughan i'd be very surprised if he doesn't play
He's not playing GAA I can't put it any plainer than that. Why waste 15 months work for a team that barely trains together . They'll still be meeting with their club mates 10 years after they stop playing. Will they be doing the same with Sigerson team-mates.You got to be joking. Sigerson is nice but a club all-ireland is an all-ireland medal. No disrespect to Sigerson but despite what our Northern brethern think, it ain't all that important.
Never played sigerson or Fitzbibbon then?
who are you or i to dictate to a player that one medal should be more important than another to him?
It would be different if the SIgerson was the week before the club final but there is a laughable amount of time between the two. Sure a club final is special but a Sigerson is important too, lads that win a Sigerson form a great bond too, which lasts well beyond college. Actually playing in such a high level game(s) will benefit the players enormously, moreso than whatever challenge/practice games Crokes play, where injuries are still a possibility. I know Crokes have a right to be selfish but this is ridiculous, it doesn't make sense.
Quote from: INDIANA on February 26, 2009, 12:30:36 PM
He's not playing GAA I can't put it any plainer than that. Why waste 15 months work for a team that barely trains together . They'll still be meeting with their club mates 10 years after they stop playing. Will they be doing the same with Sigerson team-mates.You got to be joking. Sigerson is nice but a club all-ireland is an all-ireland medal. No disrespect to Sigerson but despite what our Northern brethern think, it ain't all that important.
Absolute nonsense, knowing a few boys with Sigerson medals I would like you to say to them that it is not that important. I am sure there are a few Sigerson winners on the boar here, would be nice to hear their opinion.
I am not saying it is as big as an All Ireland club medal, but to devalue it like that is drivel.
You talk some amount of shite. A Sigerson is not as important as a club all-ireland according to people but key players for Crokes should be permitted to play in it 2 weeks before the biggest game of their lives. No sense at all in that statement. At least I'm consistent in what I'm posting.
Our senior team played no challenge games between the club all-ireland semi and final. How many challenge games did kerry and tyrone play between the all-ireland semi and final last year?None. There is a reason for that.
If i was manager of Crokes I wouldn't have any of them anywhere the Sigerson this weekend. There are no Cross players involved in the Sigerson. Crokes would have to be clinically insane to allow key players to play 2 games in 3 days over the weekend.
Quote from: INDIANA on February 26, 2009, 01:07:13 PM
You talk some amount of shite. A Sigerson is not as important as a club all-ireland according to people but key players for Crokes should be permitted to play in it 2 weeks before the biggest game of their lives. No sense at all in that statement. At least I'm consistent in what I'm posting.
Our senior team played no challenge games between the club all-ireland semi and final. How many challenge games did kerry and tyrone play between the all-ireland semi and final last year?None. There is a reason for that.
If i was manager of Crokes I wouldn't have any of them anywhere the Sigerson this weekend. There are no Cross players involved in the Sigerson. Crokes would have to be clinically insane to allow key players to play 2 games in 3 days over the weekend.
There is only one man talking shite and, yes, you are consistent in that.
If I were Crokes management I'd be at the very least encouraging them not to take part in the Sigerson. There's an argment that you could get injured training but Crokes will be doing everything and rightly so to prepare for the biggest game in a long time.
The club will have the say at the end of the day.
Quote from: INDIANA on February 26, 2009, 01:07:13 PM
You talk some amount of shite. A Sigerson is not as important as a club all-ireland according to people but key players for Crokes should be permitted to play in it 2 weeks before the biggest game of their lives. No sense at all in that statement. At least I'm consistent in what I'm posting.
Our senior team played no challenge games between the club all-ireland semi and final. How many challenge games did kerry and tyrone play between the all-ireland semi and final last year?None. There is a reason for that.
If i was manager of Crokes I wouldn't have any of them anywhere the Sigerson this weekend. There are no Cross players involved in the Sigerson. Crokes would have to be clinically insane to allow key players to play 2 games in 3 days over the weekend.
Going to try and decypher this, as stated by posters, it is their personal choice, but there shouldn;t be any pressure by the clubs, as GAA says the club does not own him.
How can you possibly compare challenege games to Sigerson Cup. Interesting Cross, the most successful of club teams, were happy to allow Paul Kernan to play two weeks before their semi. So that sort of wrecks your non-Cross argument.
My main gripe is with your devaluing of a competition that is held in high esteem by most GAA folk, regardless of whether "you will be meeting up with them in 10 years."
I'm devaluing it in comaprison to a club all-ireland. I don't know anyone who'd swop an All-Ireland medal for a Sigerson. Maybe you can find them for me. Sigerson weekends are notorious for lads getting injuries playing so often in a short space of time. Asking for trouble in my view. Both Vaughan an O sULLIVAN are carrying knocks so why risk it ? You'd never forgive yourself if it was the only chance you ever got to play in an-ireland club final.
Quote from: INDIANA on February 26, 2009, 01:07:13 PM
You talk some amount of shite. A Sigerson is not as important as a club all-ireland according to people but key players for Crokes should be permitted to play in it 2 weeks before the biggest game of their lives. No sense at all in that statement. At least I'm consistent in what I'm posting.
Our senior team played no challenge games between the club all-ireland semi and final. How many challenge games did kerry and tyrone play between the all-ireland semi and final last year?None. There is a reason for that.
If i was manager of Crokes I wouldn't have any of them anywhere the Sigerson this weekend. There are no Cross players involved in the Sigerson. Crokes would have to be clinically insane to allow key players to play 2 games in 3 days over the weekend.
Really? you say its the biggest game of their lives. i wonder what they might say
Quote from: INDIANA on February 26, 2009, 01:19:01 PM
I'm devaluing it in comaprison to a club all-ireland. I don't know anyone who'd swop an All-Ireland medal for a Sigerson. Maybe you can find them for me. Sigerson weekends are notorious for lads getting injuries playing so often in a short space of time. Asking for trouble in my view. Both Vaughan an O sULLIVAN are carrying knocks so why risk it ? You'd never forgive yourself if it was the only chance you ever got to play in an-ireland club final.
Sigh, point out where I said I would swap the medals. I said it doesn;t compare to an AllIreland in my original post.
Notoriously bad for lads getting injured? You're going to have to back that up. Here training is notoriously bad for players get injured.
From my own clubs viewpoint, if we ever got to the all ireland final (I know, I know) and Sigerson was on a couple of weeks prior, any player asked to drop out would be met with two words.
Hey, if it is good enough for Cross, it is good enough for everyone else.
Quote from: INDIANA on February 26, 2009, 01:19:01 PM
I'm devaluing it in comaprison to a club all-ireland. I don't know anyone who'd swop an All-Ireland medal for a Sigerson. Maybe you can find them for me. Sigerson weekends are notorious for lads getting injuries playing so often in a short space of time. Asking for trouble in my view. Both Vaughan an O sULLIVAN are carrying knocks so why risk it ? You'd never forgive yourself if it was the only chance you ever got to play in an-ireland club final.
A sigerson medal is an all ireland medal and is the second highest available to be won in terms of quality or the standard of the football.
ditto for the fitzgibben and liam mc carthy
Quote from: INDIANA on February 26, 2009, 01:19:01 PM
I'm devaluing it in comaprison to a club all-ireland. I don't know anyone who'd swop an All-Ireland medal for a Sigerson. Maybe you can find them for me. Sigerson weekends are notorious for lads getting injuries playing so often in a short space of time. Asking for trouble in my view. Both Vaughan an O sULLIVAN are carrying knocks so why risk it ? You'd never forgive yourself if it was the only chance you ever got to play in an-ireland club final.
To bring your argument to its logical conclusion these lads shouldn't have played any football once ye got out of Leinster, sure they could have done knee ligaments in the Sigerson quarter-final. Do you not think at least the players should have the choice? If the club final is so important to them, then they'll have no problem ditching the Sigerson. But, the thing is, they will want to play in the Sigerson as well because the relationaships you build up at college can often times be as tight as club ones
You're entitled to your view on that GAA. I've never met anyone who's won a Sigerson who'd put it on a par with a club-all-ireland. As for the second highest quality. In theory it should be but I've never seen so many mediocre games in any other competition than Sigerson. Its so over-rated its not funny. And thats based on a decade of watching it closely not one or two games like some of the posters here.
It simply doesn't create the sort of emotion winning something with you club could ever create. You leave college how many people do you keep in touch with? You'll see your club-mates 20 years down the line. Thats the difference. Those who've won club -all-irelands know the difference. Sigerson is taken very seriously up North, doesn't really have that status in other counties. If you win it its nice, but its not the end of the world if you don't.
I know of a player who is currently playing with a potentially serious injury Corn02 who was practically forced to play for his University recently because of a scholarship demands. Thats the climate we're moving into. Too many games. As far as I know the players themselves have stepped out of the Sigerson.
I know for a fact Redhand Vincents played one challenge game last year between feb 1 and march 17th. Now obviously everyone is different but our clubs attitude was if they got injured training with vincents thats fine. But that they weren't to get injured playing for anyone else. Cross are guaranteed an armagh championship every year at the moment. You won't get that in Dublin, thats why the Crokes players have stepped out.
Is Joe Canning "clinically insane" for playing with WIT yesterday?
Quote from: INDIANA on February 26, 2009, 01:40:15 PM
You're entitled to your view on that GAA. I've never met anyone who's won a Sigerson who'd put it on a par with a club-all-ireland. As for the second highest quality. In theory it should be but I've never seen so many mediocre games in any other competition than Sigerson. Its so over-rated its not funny. And thats based on a decade of watching it closely not one or two games like some of the posters here.
It simply doesn't create the sort of emotion winning something with you club could ever create. You leave college how many people do you keep in touch with? You'll see your club-mates 20 years down the line. Thats the difference. Those who've won club -all-irelands know the difference. Sigerson is taken very seriously up North, doesn't really have that status in other counties. If you win it its nice, but its not the end of the world if you don't.
I know of a player who is currently playing with a potentially serious injury Corn02 who was practically forced to play for his University recently because of a scholarship demands. Thats the climate we're moving into. Too many games. As far as I know the players themselves have stepped out of the Sigerson.
I know for a fact Redhand Vincents played one challenge game last year between feb 1 and march 17th. Now obviously everyone is different but our clubs attitude was if they got injured training with vincents thats fine. But that they weren't to get injured playing for anyone else. Cross are guaranteed an armagh championship every year at the moment. You won't get that in Dublin, thats why the Crokes players have stepped out.
You're are also entitled to your view on the standard of Sigerson and fitzgibbon games but its not something i can agree with. did you watch the Fitzbibbon final last year or the sigerson final two years ago?i've seen more sigerson and fitzgibbon games than most so don't try and play that line with me. i'd happily put my mortgage on the 4 sigerson semi teams beating the 4 all ireland club teams with a 5 point handicap. poor games are everywhere. teams cancel each other out at every level of sport and the preparation and analysis in sigerson football is so far ahead of that of club football that it is almost inevitable.
I'm not sure why you're changing the goalposts to referencing scholarships. maybe it has something to do with crokes covering vaughan's scholarship forfeit in this instance?
I have to say that my understandingis that the crokes players are livid with carr over this.
Cross being guaranteed a championship in armagh (aug - sept) is relevent to this how?
You obviously didn't watch last years fitzgibbon final closely. Canning scored 1-15 from placed balls. Great game my arse. I'm glad its your mortgage and not mine because I know how much of mine I'd put on it.
As far as I know both players are injured so it would be madness to play 2 games in 3 days at the weekend. The Dublin championship is miles more competitive than the Armagh championship so it could be 5 years before Crokes win another county championship, hence the reason of their stance. They may never get to another club final. If Sigerson football is of such a standard GAA surely they are very easily replaceable by your argument?
The fitzgibbon final was fantastic last year. thats my opinion anyway.
yeah, cross really say to themselves "ach sure we'll have another run at the all ireland next year anyway" when they allow their players to play sigerson football. catch a grip.
You're missing the point. noone's saying they're not replacable - the point is that these players are being deprived the opportunity to play, not that their teams are being particularly harmed.
I'd like an answer to the question.
Did i miss a question other than
QuoteIf Sigerson football is of such a standard GAA surely they are very easily replaceable by your argument?
which i answered as follows
QuoteYou're missing the point. noone's saying they're not replacable - the point is that these players are being deprived the opportunity to play, not that their teams are being particularly harmed.
?
Anything ye two lads can agree on? At loggerheads on the Cork hurling dispute and now the same on Sigerson :D
Apparently not...
If (and I hope they don't) Crokes lose the AICF, the lads in question will end up with nothing......obviously. All of them imo should be allowed to play in the Sigerson to maximise their chances of personal success. O'Rourke/O'Sullivan should imo be geting as much football under their belts as they between them only played 2/3 mins of the semi final. No point imo in years to come to look back and reflect about "What ifs....?"
Have a selfish enough reason for hoping DIT win it as there are alot of young Dublin lads involved who I would love to see win a national title.
No matter what the Vins' contingent on this board think, I still think that KC are being very badmannered in treating UCD like this given the hospitality afforded to them in Belfield in the past. Maybe, I am just oldfashioned in this regard.
Quote from: INDIANA on February 26, 2009, 02:36:01 PM
You obviously didn't watch last years fitzgibbon final closely. Canning scored 1-15 from placed balls. Great game my arse. I'm glad its your mortgage and not mine because I know how much of mine I'd put on it.
As far as I know both players are injured so it would be madness to play 2 games in 3 days at the weekend. The Dublin championship is miles more competitive than the Armagh championship so it could be 5 years before Crokes win another county championship, hence the reason of their stance. They may never get to another club final. If Sigerson football is of such a standard GAA surely they are very easily replaceable by your argument?
How can you devalue the competition on the basis of individual cases?
Well Gaa says that the competition is OF such a standard it is second only to senior inter county football. on that basis considering UCD has a greater population than the county of Letrim that UCD don't have any other player to replace O Sullivan who has never played even a challenge game at senior inter county level? Apparently not.
DIT has 22,500 students yet it can't replace a player who is pilloried on an annual basis by the same posters as being useless.
Its a laughable suggestion from UCD and DIT that they can't be replaced. Sounds very much to me someone thinks they aren't good enough to win and are looking for the excuses early doors.
By the way Canalman your sources are all wrong Barry O Rourke is being allowed to participate as are all the Crokes subs who are on UCD's Sigerson panel. As I said before both of the above are carrying injuries. Obviously a lot of posters here are from the magic sponge and bottle of whiskey school of physiotherapy. But its a laughable suggestion that two players who are nowhere near key senior inter county footballers can't be replaced by the two biggest Universities in the country.
Quote from: INDIANA on February 26, 2009, 03:45:48 PM
Well Gaa says that the competition is OF such a standard it is second only to senior inter county football. on that basis considering UCD has a greater population than the county of Letrim that UCD don't have any other player to replace O Sullivan who has never played even a challenge game at senior inter county level? Apparently not.
DIT has 22,500 students yet it can't replace a player who is pilloried on an annual basis by the same posters as being useless.
Its a laughable suggestion from UCD and DIT that they can't be replaced. Sounds very much to me someone thinks they aren't good enough to win and are looking for the excuses early doors.
By the way Canalman your sources are all wrong Barry O Rourke is being allowed to participate as are all the Crokes subs who are on UCD's Sigerson panel. As I said before both of the above are carrying injuries. Obviously a lot of posters here are from the magic sponge and bottle of whiskey school of physiotherapy. But its a laughable suggestion that two players who are nowhere near key senior inter county footballers can't be replaced by the two biggest Universities in the country.
hats twice now that you've misrepresented my view so i can only assume its deliberate.
show me where i have said he cannot be replaced?
My point is that the club are denying
THE PLAYER his opportunity to play. I have no partcular concerns for UCD though i have a general concern for the competition and the harm this insular attitude does to it.
What part of the word injured do you not understand?
ah so you're reduced to the injured "claim".
Thats a fair bit of backward rowing from
Quote from: INDIANA on February 26, 2009, 12:30:36 PM
He's not playing GAA I can't put it any plainer than that. Why waste 15 months work for a team that barely trains together . They'll still be meeting with their club mates 10 years after they stop playing. Will they be doing the same with Sigerson team-mates.You got to be joking. Sigerson is nice but a club all-ireland is an all-ireland medal. No disrespect to Sigerson but despite what our Northern brethern think, it ain't all that important.
But they're injured so thats ok
Exactly they are injured even the papers say so. But as the standard is so high they shouldn't have any difficulty replacing them.
Glad you came round to my way of thinking
Can't agree with too much of what you've said there Indiana, if the players are injured and there is a good chance of inflaming it or making it worse I can understand Crokes stance. But to say the Sigerson isn't all that or that players don't form bonds that last a lifetime is wrong. I played Sigerson myself and I have been involved coaching at University for the last 3 or 4 years and I can say with out fear of contradiction that players and mentors put a huge effort into this competition and rate it very very highly. It is a magnificent competition and many lads who have played senior IC love the Sigerson, players like Cian O'Sullivan and Mark Vaughan aren't easily replacable regardless of the size of the University, to take that point further is Bernard Brogan easily replacable for a county of well over a million?
In situations like this it is a matter of opinion as to what is right but for me the injury risk would want to be very high for me to agree with Crokes position. Everyone in DIT and UCD have put in a great deal of time, money and effort into getting to Sigerson, for them now to lose two of their best players days before the final weekend is very harsh and I know I'd be livid if I were involved with either college, very few people have AI club medals but very few have Sigerson ones either.
Zulu your spot on....fair play
Quote from: Zulu on February 26, 2009, 07:22:18 PM
Can't agree with too much of what you've said there Indiana, if the players are injured and there is a good chance of inflaming it or making it worse I can understand Crokes stance. But to say the Sigerson isn't all that or that players don't form bonds that last a lifetime is wrong. I played Sigerson myself and I have been involved coaching at University for the last 3 or 4 years and I can say with out fear of contradiction that players and mentors put a huge effort into this competition and rate it very very highly. It is a magnificent competition and many lads who have played senior IC love the Sigerson, players like Cian O'Sullivan and Mark Vaughan aren't easily replacable regardless of the size of the University, to take that point further is Bernard Brogan easily replacable for a county of well over a million?
In situations like this it is a matter of opinion as to what is right but for me the injury risk would want to be very high for me to agree with Crokes position. Everyone in DIT and UCD have put in a great deal of time, money and effort into getting to Sigerson, for them now to lose two of their best players days before the final weekend is very harsh and I know I'd be livid if I were involved with either college, very few people have AI club medals but very few have Sigerson ones either.
Zulu these universities actively target these players and bring them in under mickey mouse degress if necessary and they do it in bulk. One player is not crucial to their chances. How in God's creation Zulu could a guy who has never played senior inter county football in his life be irreplaceable? You're not seriously suggesting Cian is as good as Bernard are you? Based on what?
As for Vaughan -do posters really want me to embarass them over what they 've said about him in the last few years? Most of you think he's useless and you've said as much to that effect. He hasn't played in all of their games either and they've won without him.
What would the reaction be towards the Crokes management if one of them got injured at the weekend. They'd never be let into the place again.They are absolutely irreplaceable as far as Crokes are concerned. If they lose one of them, Cross have the game won. UCD and DIT are better able to absorb the loss and I'll argue that with anyone. Both squads have multiple inter county footballers , club sides don't.
Quote from: INDIANA on February 26, 2009, 10:23:17 PM
Zulu these universities actively target these players and bring them in under mickey mouse degress if necessary and they do it in bulk. One player is not crucial to their chances. How in God's creation Zulu could a guy who has never played senior inter county football in his life be irreplaceable? You're not seriously suggesting Cian is as good as Bernard are you? Based on what?
As for Vaughan -do posters really want me to embarass them over what they 've said about him in the last few years? Most of you think he's useless and you've said as much to that effect. He hasn't played in all of their games either and they've won without him.
What would the reaction be towards the Crokes management if one of them got injured at the weekend. They'd never be let into the place again.They are absolutely irreplaceable as far as Crokes are concerned. If they lose one of them, Cross have the game won. UCD and DIT are better able to absorb the loss and I'll argue that with anyone. Both squads have multiple inter county footballers , club sides don't.
Kilmacud Crokes: Paul Griffen
Adrian Morrissey
Liam McBarron
Brian Kavanagh
Mark Vaughan
etc.
Crassmaglen Rangers:Paul Hearty
Francie Bellew
Aaron Kernan
Tony McEntee
John Mcentee
Stephen Kernan
Oisin McConville
etc.
QuoteYou're not seriously suggesting Cian is as good as Bernard are you? Based on what?
Not at all, i'm merely pointing out the falacy of your argument, you said that because UCD had 22,000 students Cian would be easily replaceable but we can all agree that Brogan, despite playing for a county with over 1 million people to pick from isn't easily replaceable. Cian O'Sullivan is center back on the UCD team and Mark Vaughan is the main forward on the DIT team so both arte irreplaceable for their respective teams, at least by the standards of any other team you'd care to mention. Maybe some lads are in college on dubious grounds but they still put in a huge effort into their football while there, as do all involved in the GAA at university level that that effort can be so easily dismissed is nonsense. If the injury concerns are genuine then fair enough but if they are being exaggerated to justify preventing these young players palying in one of the best GAA weekends of the year, then it's a real shame. Anyone who has been involved in Sigerson knows how important it is to those involved and how important it is to the GAA nationally.
Its not highly regarded in Dublin Zulu . I'm not saying thats right but club and county is all that matter in Dublin. Sigerson doesn't really raise any emotion in Dublin. Like I said the management would never be forgiven by the club for letting them play because Sigerson doesn't register with club suporters. It really doesn't. Hence the reason why Dublin colleges don't do very well. Because students are living at home and not away with college they are expected to choose thier club over their university
Quote from: dodo on February 26, 2009, 11:00:08 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on February 26, 2009, 10:23:17 PM
Zulu these universities actively target these players and bring them in under mickey mouse degress if necessary and they do it in bulk. One player is not crucial to their chances. How in God's creation Zulu could a guy who has never played senior inter county football in his life be irreplaceable? You're not seriously suggesting Cian is as good as Bernard are you? Based on what?
As for Vaughan -do posters really want me to embarass them over what they 've said about him in the last few years? Most of you think he's useless and you've said as much to that effect. He hasn't played in all of their games either and they've won without him.
What would the reaction be towards the Crokes management if one of them got injured at the weekend. They'd never be let into the place again.They are absolutely irreplaceable as far as Crokes are concerned. If they lose one of them, Cross have the game won. UCD and DIT are better able to absorb the loss and I'll argue that with anyone. Both squads have multiple inter county footballers , club sides don't.
Kilmacud Crokes:
Paul Griffen
Adrian Morrissey
Liam McBarron
Brian Kavanagh
Mark Vaughan
etc.
Crassmaglen Rangers:
Paul Hearty
Francie Bellew
Aaron Kernan
Tony McEntee
John Mcentee
Stephen Kernan
Oisin McConville
etc.
There were 18 county seniors on the Queens squad this year
Quote from: INDIANA on February 27, 2009, 09:38:24 AM
Its not highly regarded in Dublin Zulu . I'm not saying thats right but club and county is all that matter in Dublin. Sigerson doesn't really raise any emotion in Dublin. Like I said the management would never be forgiven by the club for letting them play because Sigerson doesn't register with club suporters. It really doesn't. Hence the reason why Dublin colleges don't do very well. Because students are living at home and not away with college they are expected to choose thier club over their university
They are not
expected to do anything of the sort. you are asserting your own presumptions on the masses.
University hurling and football is not heavily supported outside of the immediate players and their family / friends anywhere in the country. past players etc also row in.
beyond that there is no supporter base so its never going to have massive gates.
That doesn't mean the competitions don't mean everything to those who play in them and citing the opinion of unconnected clubs is irrelevent.
Students are not
expected to choose club over university because that dillemma very rarely occurs. sigerson and fitzgibbon are february / march tournaments and the clash only occurs when a dublin club makes an all ireland semi or final. how often has that happened in the last 20 years?
Did Paul Kernan and Kyle Carragher line out for UUJ two weeks ago- if not why?
Gaa you're not from Dublin. So I'll try and use english in the clearest possible terms. Sigerson means very little in Dublin. Thats life. I'm not saying its right but thats just the way it is. Lads live at home because they can commute to college daily, thye are still available to train with their club and Dublin clubs largely expect them to do so. A country lad can't go home to train during the week and generally plays with the university all year round. I know hundreds of players who pack in university football because they wouldn't give it the time over their club. I'm not saying thats right but thats the way it is. Thats why dublin universities have a very poor record in the Sigerson.
Quote from: INDIANA on February 27, 2009, 10:55:27 AM
Did Paul Kernan and Kyle Carragher line out for UUJ two weeks ago- if not why?
Gaa you're not from Dublin. So I'll try and use english in the clearest possible terms. Sigerson means very little in Dublin. Thats life. I'm not saying its right but thats just the way it is. Lads live at home because they can commute to college daily, thye are still available to train with their club and Dublin clubs largely expect them to do so. A country lad can't go home to train during the week and generally plays with the university all year round. I know hundreds of players who pack in university football because they wouldn't give it the time over their club. I'm not saying thats right but thats the way it is. Thats why dublin universities have a very poor record in the Sigerson.
Kernan played full back,, I think Carragher was on the bench but not 100%.
Quote from: INDIANA on February 27, 2009, 10:55:27 AM
Did Paul Kernan and Kyle Carragher line out for UUJ two weeks ago- if not why?
Gaa you're not from Dublin. So I'll try and use english in the clearest possible terms. Sigerson means very little in Dublin. Thats life. I'm not saying its right but thats just the way it is. Lads live at home because they can commute to college daily, thye are still available to train with their club and Dublin clubs largely expect them to do so. A country lad can't go home to train during the week and generally plays with the university all year round. I know hundreds of players who pack in university football because they wouldn't give it the time over their club. I'm not saying thats right but thats the way it is. Thats why dublin universities have a very poor record in the Sigerson.
Sigerson means very little anywhere - except to the players. dublin is no different
That most certainly is not why dublin universities have a poor record in sigerson. just how many dublin club players do you think would be making the DCU, DIT or UCD panels?
With respect Indiana you seem to know little about what University football/hurling is really like, plenty of lads regularily go home for training in Universities around the country. As GAA points out Sigerson and Fitz aren't well supported in any city or town, in fact most of teh student population don't really care about it either but to those involved it is as serious as any competition anywhere in the GAA. There are massive sacrifices made and a few people help to keep the whole thing running, all on top of their club and county committments, I can assure you that may IC players have been shattered after being knocked out, including some of the real legends of the game. I can't speak for Dublin but I know here in Munster the Sigerson and Fitz competitions are highly prized and any club attemopting to pull players from the weekend would be met with stiff opposition. In truth I don't think any club would try to do so.
Sigerson can be compared to the Railway Cup in a lot of ways. Outside of the players there isn't a massive interest but among the players it is taken extremely seriously. And its as high a level outside inter-county that one can get to. Unlike the Railway Cup there is a camaraderie to college teams. You spend a lot of time with them, training through the winter, and, in many cases living with your teammates. I know a good few lads who played Sigerson in NUIG and elsewhere and they rank it very, very highly.
But the original point I made remains - if Vaughan and O'Sullivan don't want to play in the Sigerson then they can make that decision themselves without having it to be made for them. Perhaps the players want to play, despite what you are saying Indiana about the lack of importance of the competition in Dublin. If Vaughan and O'Sullivan don't take the comp serious, they would not have to be told what to do. Perhaps it means a lot to them?
Quote from: INDIANA on February 27, 2009, 10:55:27 AM
Did Paul Kernan and Kyle Carragher line out for UUJ two weeks ago- if not why?
Gaa you're not from Dublin. So I'll try and use english in the clearest possible terms. Sigerson means very little in Dublin. Thats life. I'm not saying its right but thats just the way it is. Lads live at home because they can commute to college daily, thye are still available to train with their club and Dublin clubs largely expect them to do so. A country lad can't go home to train during the week and generally plays with the university all year round. I know hundreds of players who pack in university football because they wouldn't give it the time over their club. I'm not saying thats right but thats the way it is. Thats why dublin universities have a very poor record in the Sigerson.
And the race for Sam Maguire is not taken seriously in Kilkenny, but it does not give Kilkenny folk, or you in this situation, the right to devalue it because personally it does not mean much.
It is a competition regarded in the highest esteem.
Question for all.........
If it was you & you were involved in both finals what would you do?
Take it that your home club dont make many AI finals so the chances are you may not make it again, same with the Uni
Quote from: full back on February 27, 2009, 12:53:04 PM
Question for all.........
If it was you & you were involved in both finals what would you do?
Take it that your home club dont make many AI finals so the chances are you may not make it again, same with the Uni
Two weeks before? I'd be playing Sigerson.
Match report on NUIG v UUJ
Galway countymen Sean Armstrong and Gareth Bradshaw starred as NUIG hit 1-4 without reply in the final 18 minutes to oust UUJ (2-10 to 1-8) from the race to land this year's Ulster Bank Sigerson Cup after an enthralling tie at Kingspan/Breffni Park.
Bolstered by an opportunist Colm Kavanagh goal, UUJ impressed as they sashayed their way into a 1-3 to 0-0 lead after only nine minutes.
But just 90 seconds later NUIG replied in devastating fashion with Mark Gottsche goaling after a lung-bursting run by centre-back Bradshaw split open the UUJ defence.
Even though UUJ's 1-7 to 1-5 interval lead was deserved, it exhibited a paper rather than a steely veneer and once the third quarter beckoned, NUIG began to punch holes in it.
With playmaker-supreme Sean Armstrong getting more and more on the ball, NUIG's march to the winner's enclosure kicked off once the impressive Paul Broderick (Carlow) levelled matters, 1-8 apiece, in the 49th minute.
The beginning of the end for UUJ dawned after the combined forces of Donal Morgan and Daniel Bateson felled Sean Armstrong as he bore down on Greg Kelly's goal with less than four minutes of normal time remaining.
Once Broderick cooly blasted home the resultant penalty spot, it was obvious the die was cast.
NUIG now had the momentum, big-time, and they finished with a spring in their step and a swagger too with sub Eddie Hoare and John Connellan putting the final nails in UUJ's coffin.
NUIG - L Grant; C McDonald, G Cafferkey, D Finnegan; N Ewing, G Bradshaw, P Domican; M Gottsche (1-0), K Conroy; C Kenny (0-2), S Armstrong (0-1), J Connellan (0-3); P Broderick (1-3), G Begley, C Healy. Subs: Conor Devaney for M Gottsche; E Hoare (0-1) for C Healy.
UUJ - G Kelly; D McDermott, A Girvan, D Morgan (0-1); K Nolan, D Hughes, D Bateson; J Colgan, P Downey; C Donnelly (0-3), T McCann (0-3), R Mulgrew (0-1); C Kavanagh (1-0), S Forker, D Mulholland. Subs: P Hughes for D Mullholland; C Murray for S Forker
Again I'd like an answer to the question Corn why didn't Paul Kernan and Kyle Carragher play. Because I know the answer I'm waiting to know whether you do.
Zulu I've explained the situation in Dublin, I didn't say you'd agree with it. But as I said clubs in Dublin will never accept anyone choosing their university over the club team. I'm not saying its right but thats the way it is. DCU are the only Dublin college to in the sigerson recently probably over the last 12 years and thats the reason why.
Ah apologies Indiana, I was getting mixed up with the Queen's match and the NUIG. Perhaps they were on the bench, anyone have the squad list for the day?
Quote from: INDIANA on February 27, 2009, 01:00:53 PM
Match report on NUIG v UUJ
Galway countymen Sean Armstrong and Gareth Bradshaw starred as NUIG hit 1-4 without reply in the final 18 minutes to oust UUJ (2-10 to 1-8) from the race to land this year's Ulster Bank Sigerson Cup after an enthralling tie at Kingspan/Breffni Park.
Bolstered by an opportunist Colm Kavanagh goal, UUJ impressed as they sashayed their way into a 1-3 to 0-0 lead after only nine minutes.
But just 90 seconds later NUIG replied in devastating fashion with Mark Gottsche goaling after a lung-bursting run by centre-back Bradshaw split open the UUJ defence.
Even though UUJ's 1-7 to 1-5 interval lead was deserved, it exhibited a paper rather than a steely veneer and once the third quarter beckoned, NUIG began to punch holes in it.
With playmaker-supreme Sean Armstrong getting more and more on the ball, NUIG's march to the winner's enclosure kicked off once the impressive Paul Broderick (Carlow) levelled matters, 1-8 apiece, in the 49th minute.
The beginning of the end for UUJ dawned after the combined forces of Donal Morgan and Daniel Bateson felled Sean Armstrong as he bore down on Greg Kelly's goal with less than four minutes of normal time remaining.
Once Broderick cooly blasted home the resultant penalty spot, it was obvious the die was cast.
NUIG now had the momentum, big-time, and they finished with a spring in their step and a swagger too with sub Eddie Hoare and John Connellan putting the final nails in UUJ's coffin.
NUIG - L Grant; C McDonald, G Cafferkey, D Finnegan; N Ewing, G Bradshaw, P Domican; M Gottsche (1-0), K Conroy; C Kenny (0-2), S Armstrong (0-1), J Connellan (0-3); P Broderick (1-3), G Begley, C Healy. Subs: Conor Devaney for M Gottsche; E Hoare (0-1) for C Healy.
UUJ - G Kelly; D McDermott, A Girvan, D Morgan (0-1); K Nolan, D Hughes, D Bateson; J Colgan, P Downey; C Donnelly (0-3), T McCann (0-3), R Mulgrew (0-1); C Kavanagh (1-0), S Forker, D Mulholland. Subs: P Hughes for D Mullholland; C Murray for S Forker
Again I'd like an answer to the question Corn why didn't Paul Kernan and Kyle Carragher play. Because I know the answer I'm waiting to know whether you do.
Zulu I've explained the situation in Dublin, I didn't say you'd agree with it. But as I said clubs in Dublin will never accept anyone choosing their university over the club team. I'm not saying its right but thats the way it is. DCU are the only Dublin college to in the sigerson recently probably over the last 12 years and thats the reason why.
You've explained it as you see it. You are of course incorrect in my opinion.
By the way, you are not comparing like for like with the paul kernan situation here. it was only days before his club semi - not over 2 weeks.
Kyle carragher was not on the poly squad
Indiana
you've conveniently overlooked this question:
Quote from: The GAA on February 26, 2009, 01:41:08 PM
Is Joe Canning "clinically insane" for playing with WIT yesterday?
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Gaa you're not from Dublin. So I'll try and use english in the clearest possible terms. Sigerson means very little in Dublin. Thats life. I'm not saying its right but thats just the way it is. Lads live at home because they can commute to college daily, thye are still available to train with their club and Dublin clubs largely expect them to do so. A country lad can't go home to train during the week and generally plays with the university all year round. I know hundreds of players who pack in university football because they wouldn't give it the time over their club. I'm not saying thats right but thats the way it is. Thats why dublin universities have a very poor record in the Sigerson.
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from this i would like to ask indiana his views...
Could this point to a reason for the senior side not going to the next level?
how seriously do dublin sides take schools competitions?
maybe we could learn a thing or two from our northern neighbours in regards the esteem they hold the macRory cup and the new level of recognition they have influxed to the sigerson cup
In louth some of players find it hard to get motivated for their local college DKIT and don't parttake in the wonderful opportunity to develop their game at a higher level than club
not enough of our players are involved at sigerson level and detremental to their development this is because as like dublin it means very little, look at armagh and tyrone the past decade using the sigerson as a stepping stone to get up to inter county level now monaghan and cavan players are following suite
maybe not enough younger dublin players are playing sigerson and the ones that do/did are flourishing B Brogan M Vaughan P Flynn G Brennan P Andrews and as you say Cian o'sullivan who has yet to play with the seniors but because of his involvement with UCD the experience will stand to him when he does play for Dublin
So i feel the clubs should not have held them back especially two to three weeks before.....another question to you indiana if vaughan was not playing or training with DIT over the winter months would he have been so sharp last saturday?
I take it then GAA you concede that Cross pulled Paul kernan for the Sigerson because he didn't play on Feb5th either. Or maybe that was too close as well? At least then I've pointed out to people its not unique to Dublin.
Joe Canning already has 2 all-ireland medals the crokes lads have none. Makes things a little bit easier when you know you've 2 sitting at home.
Mattock don't get started on Dublin schools because thats a debate you won't win. Pray tell me how you expect a school in Dublin of 350 pupils to compete with country community colleges of over 1000 pupils. Thanks.
I
Quote from: INDIANA on February 27, 2009, 03:34:06 PM
I take it then GAA you concede that Cross pulled Paul kernan for the Sigerson because he didn't play on Feb5th either. Or maybe that was too close as well? At least then I've pointed out to people its not unique to Dublin.
Joe Canning already has 2 all-ireland medals the crokes lads have none. Makes things a little bit easier when you know you've 2 sitting at home.
Mattock don't get started on Dublin schools because thats a debate you won't win. Pray tell me how you expect a school in Dublin of 350 pupils to compete with country community colleges of over 1000 pupils. Thanks.
I
Kernan most certainly did play on feb 5th. please get your facts straight.
So Joe Canning just doesn't care as uch about his club as you dublin folk? give me a break
Quote from: INDIANA on February 27, 2009, 03:34:06 PM
I take it then GAA you concede that Cross pulled Paul kernan for the Sigerson because he didn't play on Feb5th either. Or maybe that was too close as well? At least then I've pointed out to people its not unique to Dublin.
Joe Canning already has 2 all-ireland medals the crokes lads have none. Makes things a little bit easier when you know you've 2 sitting at home.
Mattock don't get started on Dublin schools because thats a debate you won't win. Pray tell me how you expect a school in Dublin of 350 pupils to compete with country community colleges of over 1000 pupils. Thanks.
I
Paul Kernan played the whole match on Feb 5.
Wow ye are so absorbed by a random argument that ye have ignore the Sigerson altogether.
Wins For DIT and CIT.
DIT 3-8 UCD 1-4
CIT 0-14 NUIG 0-13.
DIT massive underdogs for the final after loosing Paul Brogan (Alan and Bernards brother) and possibly John Coughlan (Joxer) for the final through injury, to add to Barry Moran on the injury list and Vaughan on the Kilmacud won't let him play list.
CIT, with home ground, home ref better team on paper must be massive favourites.
EDIT: http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2009/0227/sigerson.html
Quote from: corn02 on February 27, 2009, 03:51:24 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on February 27, 2009, 03:34:06 PM
I take it then GAA you concede that Cross pulled Paul kernan for the Sigerson because he didn't play on Feb5th either. Or maybe that was too close as well? At least then I've pointed out to people its not unique to Dublin.
Joe Canning already has 2 all-ireland medals the crokes lads have none. Makes things a little bit easier when you know you've 2 sitting at home.
Mattock don't get started on Dublin schools because thats a debate you won't win. Pray tell me how you expect a school in Dublin of 350 pupils to compete with country community colleges of over 1000 pupils. Thanks.
I
Paul Kernan played the whole match on Feb 5.
By UUJ 1-12 Queen's 1-6
Thursday February 05 2009
Holders UUJ stormed past northern rivals Queen's at The Dub in Belfast yesterday.
When Ciarán Donnelly crashed home a penalty near the end of the first quarter, UUJ were 1-2 to 0-0 ahead, but Queen's struck back with a goal of their own from Sean Leo McGoldrick.
Points were swapped over the next quarter hour but scores from Donnelly and Colm Cavanagh (2) left UUJ 1-7 to 1-2 up at the break.
It was 1-10 to 1-5 when a flare-up in midfield with 10 minutes to go resulted in instant dismissal for Joe O'Kane (Queen's) and Niall McKeever (UUJ).
Two late points by Cavanagh in reply to a pointed free by James Kielt polished off the home side, who were denied two goal chances by saves from UUJ 'keeper Greg Kelly.
SCORERS - UUJ: C Donnelly 1-2 (1 pen, 1f), C Cavanagh 0-4, N McKeever 0-2, T McCann, R Mulgrew, P Downey, D Hughes 0-1 each. Queen's: J Kielt 0-5 (3f), SL McGoldrick 1-0, J Crozier 0-1.
UUJ -- G Kelly; A Girvan, P McKeown, D McDermott; D Mulholland, D Hughes, D Bateson; J Colgan, P Downey; C Donnelly, R Mulgrew, N McKeever; C Cavanagh, S Forker, T McCann. Subs: P Hughes for Forker (46), B Beggs for Mulholland (55).
QUEEN'S -- F Murphy; H Gallagher, N McGovern, L Howard; R Dillon, J O'Kane, J Crozier; C Vernon, B McArdle; J Loughrey, C Maginn, SL McGoldrick; J Kielt, S O'Neill, C Baynes. Subs: P Courtney for Baynes (ht), M Ward for Loughrey (37), D O'Hagan for McArdle (46).
REF -- P Hughes (Armagh).
- UUJ 1-12 Queen's 1-6
I know lads I love facts what about you.
That team is wrong, I was at the match and Kernan played the whole match...
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=10984.120 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=10984.120)
Nice pic of Kernan
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/336326/5000/
I will concede on that point. Never let it be said I was a sore loser ;D ;D
Quote from: INDIANA on February 27, 2009, 03:34:06 PM
I take it then GAA you concede that Cross pulled Paul kernan for the Sigerson because he didn't play on Feb5th either. Or maybe that was too close as well? At least then I've pointed out to people its not unique to Dublin.
Joe Canning already has 2 all-ireland medals the crokes lads have none. Makes things a little bit easier when you know you've 2 sitting at home.
Mattock don't get started on Dublin schools because thats a debate you won't win. Pray tell me how you expect a school in Dublin of 350 pupils to compete with country community colleges of over 1000 pupils. Thanks.
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probably the same way people expect tyrone (population 166,516) to compete with dublin (population 1,661,185) hmm roughly ten times the population as opposed to 3 times with your dublin and country school comparison. population isnt the be all and end all when it comes to success on the pitch, there are many more factors
Tyrone has no rugby, little soccer or hurling. Dublin has all of those to compete with. Its not like with like. Plus the fact a lot of parents send their kids to private school in Dublin who largely play rugby. Gaa is now played in these schools but is miles off being where it has to be. Anyway thats way off the poiint of the thread.
45% of the population of Tyrone wouldnt be "GAA minded" ;)
Quote from: Rossfan on February 27, 2009, 07:12:54 PM
45% of the population of Tyrone wouldnt be "GAA minded" ;)
what he said ;)
tyrone have alot more to compete with in this regard than dublin with rugy, soccer etc...
Quote from: INDIANA on February 27, 2009, 06:10:19 PM
I will concede on that point. Never let it be said I was a sore loser ;D ;D
Apology accepted
Quote from: INDIANA on February 27, 2009, 07:08:44 PM
Tyrone has no rugby, little soccer or hurling. Dublin has all of those to compete with. Its not like with like. Plus the fact a lot of parents send their kids to private school in Dublin who largely play rugby. Gaa is now played in these schools but is miles off being where it has to be. Anyway thats way off the poiint of the thread.
You don't know much about tyrone either by the sounds of it
I know that their schools have a better chance of comepting than ours. You lot don't know much about Dublin either it seems.
Just about enough, i don't go around professing to be an expert though.
No rugby in Tyrone! are you lhaving a laugh?
very little soccer? ever heard of dungannon swifts or omagh town? do you know how many players tyrone would lose to soccer?
What time is the final today?
3 o'clock as far as i know. Coverage on TG4 at 2:45.
Can't wait... Come on DIT ;) ;) ;)
Should be a great game but I think DIT have injuries and with Vaughan missing they'll be up against it. Wacth out for Colm O'Neill at corner forward for CIT, he's a smashing player and a future Cork senior IMO, Sean O'Hare at midfield from Waterford is another CIT player that has had a great season so far.
Tyrone lost one of their best prospects to soccer, a player who is now turning out for Celtic reserves. McCullagh didn't play for a few years because he was playing soccer as well. I think Tyrone even lost Shane Sweeney to farming duties a few years back and he was a decent member of their squad. With McGinn though, it's been said that he's one of the best players for his age in Ireland.
Drici?
CIT 0-8 1-4 DIT 29 mins played
DIT went 1-3 to 0-0 up
dit 1-8
cit 0-10
cit got a goal! wel taken!
1-10 to 1-8
Ta - Keep it coming lads
1 13 1 9 to cit 5 mins left
57 min
cit 1-13
dit 1-09
it live on tg4 if ya can get it!!lol
I can't
cit won by 5pts.
full time score 1-15 to 1-10
Decent game and CIT were fully deserving winners, they missed 3 gilt edge goal chances in the first half and had the more balanced team overall. In saying that the injured players and Vaughan could have made the difference and they did have a great goal chance with 7 or 8 minutes left that would have brought them right back into it. O'Sullivan at center back was a deserving MOM and Goulding was lethal from frees, today was just reward for CIT who are putting a savage amount of work into the GAA down there and DIT look like they mightn't have too wait too long for their first Sigerson either, they are a growing powerhouse in colleges GAA.
Just my tuppence worth on the "argument". Anyone who thinks a Sigerson medal comes remotely close to an All-Ireland club medal is off their rocker. Especially these days with so many "courses" and ways to sign lads up. The competition - while a high standard and meaninful to those involved - really has little integrity. A glorified inter firms competition. On the other hand imagine winning an All-Ireland medal with lads you have played football with for about 20 years since ye were hardly able to kick the ball out of your way? No comparison.
This idea that you've grown up playing with all your club mates is nonsense, Cian O'Sullivan for example is only 19 so he has kicked very little ball with Ray Cosgrove and could very well be much better mates with a lot of his college team mates than he is with some of his club team mates. Anyone who hasn't been involved with Sigerson or Fitz can't appreciate the effort and bonds that grow between all involved. Nobody is saying winning a Sigerson is better than winning an AI with your club but it is a very important competition to those involved and the GAA in general. Only someone who doesn't know Sigerson fotball would describe it as 'a glorified inter firms' and is very insulting to someone like myself who has put a massive amount of time into college football. If you wanted to you could degenerate any GAA competition except the AI senior football championship but to do so would miss the point entirely.
So disappointed. Great start from DIT. 1-3 to 0-1.
Maurice Deegan gave us f-all after that. I mean we kept Kerrigan, Goulding, O'Neill and Cahilane to 3 points from play!!! But 8 free's for Goulding. CIT went to ground as soon as they won the ball, and Deegan blew everytime. Having said that they missed 3 goal chances and could well have won by more.
Gutted, but will be back next year.
PS Well done INDIANA, good good day for you. Spend it wisely. :D :D :D
QuoteMaurice Deegan gave us f-all after that
To be honest I thought ref did a good job. Maybe CIT got a couple of soft frees in first half but could have got a few more in second. Better and more skilful team won. CHB deserved MoM - is he in the Kerry senior panel?
Quote from: descartes on March 01, 2009, 01:10:43 AM
CIT deserved to win. felt sorry for DIT. was talking to their physio and he told me they were decimated with injuries.
Barry Moran (Mayo) hamstring
Paul Brogan dublin cruciate knee injury in the semi on fri
Paul Flynn Dublin suspected fracture to his ankle after 15 minutes of the final
Colin Daly Dublin quad injury, started the game but was badly hampered, hobbled through the last 15 minutes of the 1st half, subbed at half time.
all the above are on their senior county panels, except brogan who was only recovering from a cruciate injury, but was on the dublin team this time last year when he got injured for the first time.
throw in Mark Vaughan not playing and some other lad i'd never heard of that he mentioned to me and its a lot to have to deal with. All the above players are forwards too he said so things really went against them over the last week, they ended up playing a couple of corner backs in the forwards.. one of whom actually scored two points.
Yeah, we started the second half with:
Donnacha Reilly a CHB playing CHF
Daniel Graham a corner back playing wing forward.
Niall Coughlan a Midfielder Playing Full Forward
and Darragh Breathnach a Corner Back playing Corner Forward.
It showed when we got to the 45, no one was confident enough to have a shot. With the wind, that killed us. Also Daniel Gouldings freetaking! What an amazing talent, the free's may have been soft but boy did he take advantage.
As for the Referee, stats don't lie. 8 free kicks in kickable position for CIT. 3 to DIT. 3 or 4 Yellow Cards to DIT. None to CIT.
Not saying that some of our yellow cards wern't deserved. Niall O'Shea and Darragh Breathnach hit their guys late and deserved the cards but a lot of CIT fouls went unpunished.
As for Aiden O'Shea being on the Kerry panel. I don't think so. He was on the U-21 panel last year at Wing-Forward.
Interesting to note 12 of the CIT players had U-21 All Ireland medels. Class Team and Well Done to them.
Quote from: Zulu on February 28, 2009, 05:37:12 PM
This idea that you've grown up playing with all your club mates is nonsense, Cian O'Sullivan for example is only 19 so he has kicked very little ball with Ray Cosgrove and could very well be much better mates with a lot of his college team mates than he is with some of his club team mates. Anyone who hasn't been involved with Sigerson or Fitz can't appreciate the effort and bonds that grow between all involved. Nobody is saying winning a Sigerson is better than winning an AI with your club but it is a very important competition to those involved and the GAA in general. Only someone who doesn't know Sigerson fotball would describe it as 'a glorified inter firms' and is very insulting to someone like myself who has put a massive amount of time into college football. If you wanted to you could degenerate any GAA competition except the AI senior football championship but to do so would miss the point entirely.
Get me my violin.
I'm sorry if you took insult at my comments but I stand over them.
Quote from: Zulu on February 28, 2009, 05:37:12 PM
This idea that you've grown up playing with all your club mates is nonsense, Cian O'Sullivan for example is only 19 so he has kicked very little ball with Ray Cosgrove and could very well be much better mates with a lot of his college team mates than he is with some of his club team mates. Anyone who hasn't been involved with Sigerson or Fitz can't appreciate the effort and bonds that grow between all involved. Nobody is saying winning a Sigerson is better than winning an AI with your club but it is a very important competition to those involved and the GAA in general. Only someone who doesn't know Sigerson fotball would describe it as 'a glorified inter firms' and is very insulting to someone like myself who has put a massive amount of time into college football. If you wanted to you could degenerate any GAA competition except the AI senior football championship but to do so would miss the point entirely.
In club land though he could have served mass at his wedding, gone to school with his brother and been chased out of an orchard by his father.
No comparison between the two.
I don't always agree with Colm O'Rourke but I did when he wrote: Club, County, Country.
He didn't include college though it would even have fitted the alliteration.
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 01, 2009, 11:01:27 PM
Quote from: Zulu on February 28, 2009, 05:37:12 PM
This idea that you've grown up playing with all your club mates is nonsense, Cian O'Sullivan for example is only 19 so he has kicked very little ball with Ray Cosgrove and could very well be much better mates with a lot of his college team mates than he is with some of his club team mates. Anyone who hasn't been involved with Sigerson or Fitz can't appreciate the effort and bonds that grow between all involved. Nobody is saying winning a Sigerson is better than winning an AI with your club but it is a very important competition to those involved and the GAA in general. Only someone who doesn't know Sigerson fotball would describe it as 'a glorified inter firms' and is very insulting to someone like myself who has put a massive amount of time into college football. If you wanted to you could degenerate any GAA competition except the AI senior football championship but to do so would miss the point entirely.
Get me my violin.
I'm sorry if you took insult at my comments but I stand over them.
You re entitled to stand over them but they dont stand up in my opinion. Or in my experience. I m sure a lot of people enjoyed their College s football as much or more than their club. I know I did anyway by a long shot. There can be cartels, favouritism and cliques within clubs. I found there was better comraderie and respect among the student set-up. And the football was a step up. Then it depends on the individuals circumstances and individual experience.
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 01, 2009, 11:01:27 PM
Quote from: Zulu on February 28, 2009, 05:37:12 PM
This idea that you've grown up playing with all your club mates is nonsense, Cian O'Sullivan for example is only 19 so he has kicked very little ball with Ray Cosgrove and could very well be much better mates with a lot of his college team mates than he is with some of his club team mates. Anyone who hasn't been involved with Sigerson or Fitz can't appreciate the effort and bonds that grow between all involved. Nobody is saying winning a Sigerson is better than winning an AI with your club but it is a very important competition to those involved and the GAA in general. Only someone who doesn't know Sigerson fotball would describe it as 'a glorified inter firms' and is very insulting to someone like myself who has put a massive amount of time into college football. If you wanted to you could degenerate any GAA competition except the AI senior football championship but to do so would miss the point entirely.
Get me my violin.
I'm sorry if you took insult at my comments but I stand over them.
That's a pretty patethic comment, college football is run and supported almost solely by the players and the coaches and is a very true version of the GAA. Like I said if you wanted to have a pop off any aspect of the GAA you could do so but colleges GAA deserves it less than most. I don't know of any senior club where the panel members had to go out bag packing like members of the college team I was involved in did. I could give numerous examples of college players going beyond the call of duty for their team and as a result college teams become very close. It's a real shame that more so called 'grassroots' GAA men can't appreciate that the GAA is played in many forms and that the rural club doesn't hold an elevated place within the GAA.
Expensive weekend for Dublin football- Paul flynn got a suspected broken ankle and paul brogan's cruciate looks like its gone for the second time. Another panelist Colin Daly has a torn quad muscle. And people wonder why Crokes didn't let their players play. 2 games in 2 days coming up to an all-ireland final would have been madness. If it was 1 game max, then maybe there would have been a case. As it happens I think Cork IT were the best team in the competition and deserved the win.
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 28, 2009, 05:29:29 PM
Just my tuppence worth on the "argument". Anyone who thinks a Sigerson medal comes remotely close to an All-Ireland club medal is off their rocker. Especially these days with so many "courses" and ways to sign lads up. The competition - while a high standard and meaninful to those involved - really has little integrity. A glorified inter firms competition. On the other hand imagine winning an All-Ireland medal with lads you have played football with for about 20 years since ye were hardly able to kick the ball out of your way? No comparison.
That attitude only prevails among people who were never involved in fitzgibben or sigerson cup teams
Quote from: Zulu on March 01, 2009, 11:44:32 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 01, 2009, 11:01:27 PM
Quote from: Zulu on February 28, 2009, 05:37:12 PM
This idea that you've grown up playing with all your club mates is nonsense, Cian O'Sullivan for example is only 19 so he has kicked very little ball with Ray Cosgrove and could very well be much better mates with a lot of his college team mates than he is with some of his club team mates. Anyone who hasn't been involved with Sigerson or Fitz can't appreciate the effort and bonds that grow between all involved. Nobody is saying winning a Sigerson is better than winning an AI with your club but it is a very important competition to those involved and the GAA in general. Only someone who doesn't know Sigerson fotball would describe it as 'a glorified inter firms' and is very insulting to someone like myself who has put a massive amount of time into college football. If you wanted to you could degenerate any GAA competition except the AI senior football championship but to do so would miss the point entirely.
Get me my violin.
I'm sorry if you took insult at my comments but I stand over them.
That's a pretty patethic comment, college football is run and supported almost solely by the players and the coaches and is a very true version of the GAA. Like I said if you wanted to have a pop off any aspect of the GAA you could do so but colleges GAA deserves it less than most. I don't know of any senior club where the panel members had to go out bag packing like members of the college team I was involved in did. I could give numerous examples of college players going beyond the call of duty for their team and as a result college teams become very close. It's a real shame that more so called 'grassroots' GAA men can't appreciate that the GAA is played in many forms and that the rural club doesn't hold an elevated place within the GAA.
What do you mean by bag packing?
Quote from: The GAA on March 02, 2009, 08:46:53 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 28, 2009, 05:29:29 PM
Just my tuppence worth on the "argument". Anyone who thinks a Sigerson medal comes remotely close to an All-Ireland club medal is off their rocker. Especially these days with so many "courses" and ways to sign lads up. The competition - while a high standard and meaninful to those involved - really has little integrity. A glorified inter firms competition. On the other hand imagine winning an All-Ireland medal with lads you have played football with for about 20 years since ye were hardly able to kick the ball out of your way? No comparison.
That attitude only prevails among people who were never involved in fitzgibben or sigerson cup teams
How come I have it so? To even try to compare the two is rubbish.
Zulu - I never said great effort isn't put in and of course the standard is high but my argument still stands. The integrity of the competition is always under question in my eyes. Surely even its biggest fans would have to accept that? IT Tralee - how did they do this year? Don't suppose we're going to agree any time soon on this so I'll leave it at that.
Quote from: Zulu on March 01, 2009, 11:44:32 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 01, 2009, 11:01:27 PM
Quote from: Zulu on February 28, 2009, 05:37:12 PM
This idea that you've grown up playing with all your club mates is nonsense, Cian O'Sullivan for example is only 19 so he has kicked very little ball with Ray Cosgrove and could very well be much better mates with a lot of his college team mates than he is with some of his club team mates. Anyone who hasn't been involved with Sigerson or Fitz can't appreciate the effort and bonds that grow between all involved. Nobody is saying winning a Sigerson is better than winning an AI with your club but it is a very important competition to those involved and the GAA in general. Only someone who doesn't know Sigerson fotball would describe it as 'a glorified inter firms' and is very insulting to someone like myself who has put a massive amount of time into college football. If you wanted to you could degenerate any GAA competition except the AI senior football championship but to do so would miss the point entirely.
Get me my violin.
I'm sorry if you took insult at my comments but I stand over them.
That's a pretty patethic comment, college football is run and supported almost solely by the players and the coaches and is a very true version of the GAA. Like I said if you wanted to have a pop off any aspect of the GAA you could do so but colleges GAA deserves it less than most. I don't know of any senior club where the panel members had to go out bag packing like members of the college team I was involved in did. I could give numerous examples of college players going beyond the call of duty for their team and as a result college teams become very close. It's a real shame that more so called 'grassroots' GAA men can't appreciate that the GAA is played in many forms and that the rural club doesn't hold an elevated place within the GAA.
holy god get over yourself most players give decades of service and pay plenty of money to the club over that time to do so. Most boys give 4 or so years at uni and certainly enjoy the social side of playing uni football. which ends for most in february. then they take the degree and go. bit more status cause of the good prospects on show but honestly who cares come the summer??
the effort put into a uni team pales into comparison with your club
I don't think anyone has come neat to suggesting it is as important as the club All-ireland.
Grievances come when it is being devalued in such ways. An glorified inter-fimes competition Seanie? Come off it, that is way off line and very harsh.
I understand your point about the legitimacy of players, but, then again, club players transfer at an increasingly fast rate so you could extend those issues to that competition too, on a smaller scale of course.
Of course it could not compare to a club allireland, and I don;t think anyone is claiming that, but it is a brilliant GAA competition ehld in the highest regard by plenty.
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Grievances come when it is being devalued in such ways.
I would guess some of the perceived grievances impact upon the large number of current students that post here. Many others were students in the past and involved in various teams are possibly in a better position to compare having done both over a longer career.
Loyalty to your current ream is understandable and admirable but it doesn't change where you start and finish playing (for most people). You'll look fondly back at your college days in the same way as your secondary school days (if you were fortunate to be on a very competitive Hogan Cup team) or indeed maybe a top inter-firms team (never played in it myself).
But none of those supercede the Club.
Quote from: muppet on March 02, 2009, 01:46:52 PM
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But none of those supercede the Club.
And no one could argue different, not the point people are making here.
Quote from: INDIANA on March 02, 2009, 08:25:28 AM
Expensive weekend for Dublin football- Paul flynn got a suspected broken ankle and paul brogan's cruciate looks like its gone for the second time. Another panelist Colin Daly has a torn quad muscle. And people wonder why Crokes didn't let their players play. 2 games in 2 days coming up to an all-ireland final would have been madness. If it was 1 game max, then maybe there would have been a case. As it happens I think Cork IT were the best team in the competition and deserved the win.
I think its about time the sigerson semi finals and finals were split.I know its doing away with the whole sigerson weekend concept but, playing two high quality games against opposition where nearly every player is a countyman is too hard on the body.These injuries occuring is testament to that.I believe we would also have higher quality of games if this occured
Martin Reily with DIT played
Sigerson Semi on Friday
Sigerson Final on Saturday
League opener with Killygarry back in Cavan on Sunday. Too much to ask any player to do.
Anyone who's been heavily involved with a college football team knows that there's a serious bond that grows between the players and while it's hard to compare it with other competitions it's definitely the be and end all for the players involved.
I'll give you an example - Joe Brolly said on his Laochra Gael episode that he 'wept inconsolably' for a week after losing a Sigerson semi-final in the early 90's, yet in the book 'The Chosen Ones' (Colm Keys and Martin Breheny) Brolly stated that winning the All-Ireland with Derry in 1993 was 'the greatest anticlimax of my life.' Sigerson obviously meant a lot to him.
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on March 02, 2009, 05:00:15 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on March 02, 2009, 08:25:28 AM
Expensive weekend for Dublin football- Paul flynn got a suspected broken ankle and paul brogan's cruciate looks like its gone for the second time. Another panelist Colin Daly has a torn quad muscle. And people wonder why Crokes didn't let their players play. 2 games in 2 days coming up to an all-ireland final would have been madness. If it was 1 game max, then maybe there would have been a case. As it happens I think Cork IT were the best team in the competition and deserved the win.
I think its about time the sigerson semi finals and finals were split.I know its doing away with the whole sigerson weekend concept but, playing two high quality games against opposition where nearly every player is a countyman is too hard on the body.These injuries occuring is testament to that.I believe we would also have higher quality of games if this occured
Martin Reily with DIT played
Sigerson Semi on Friday
Sigerson Final on Saturday
League opener with Killygarry back in Cavan on Sunday. Too much to ask any player to do.
If I was the Killygarry manager I wouldn't have asked him to play a club league game. I mean do any of these managers care about player welfare at all.
Anyone know who won the freshers all-ireland??
between DCU and UCC??
thanks lads
was due to be played yesterday in croke park but was postponed due to this weekend's provincial u21 matches
Croke park really?
very good thanks GAA
I see Paul Courtney won himself another year of Sigerson football there last week. Anyone know who has the record for playing the most years consecutively?
Quote from: AFS on March 13, 2009, 06:24:36 PM
I see Paul Courtney won himself another year of Sigerson football there last week. Anyone know who has the record for playing the most years consecutively?
I'd take short odds on at Mr Kevin McGourty.
What about Jim McGuinness?
The 'Pony' would have a few as well, 4 with UCC and 3 with Tralee I think.
Parkinson as well has had more universities than Stan Collymore had clubs.
didn't Paul Casey play 8 years in a row with DCU. apparently he had to get a special dispensation to play in his final year because a rule was brought in saying you can only play 7 years of sigerson without advancing, so technically for him to have played in his 8th year he should have been doing a Masters and not an undergraduate degree, but since he did 2 four year undergraduate degrees, 1st in business and then in sports science, he found himselg doing inot his 8th year of university and still and under grad. reckon he must be close to the record anyway.
Does anybody know the Sigerson all star/Hot Shot team for 2009??
I know it was announced during the week but i cant find it anywhere online.
One of the 15 places is awarded to a trench cup player and the rest are carved up among the sigerson players who competed in the competition that year.
Just curious to see the breakdown of who got awards!
Quote from: AFS on March 13, 2009, 06:24:36 PM
I see Paul Courtney won himself another year of Sigerson football there last week. Anyone know who has the record for playing the most years consecutively?
My understanding was that he wouldnt be eligible next year as universities could only play one sabbatical officer at a time and they could only play for one year. I thought this rule was brought in about 2 years ago although i may be wrong
Heard on the grapevine that Dan Goulding, Paul Kerrigan, Charlie Vernon and Sean O'Neill are all new additions to the Poly this year :o
Quote from: tyrone86 on September 09, 2009, 12:40:00 AM
Heard on the grapevine that Dan Goulding, Paul Kerrigan, Charlie Vernon and Sean O'Neill are all new additions to the Poly this year :o
Big players alright.
I'm hearing that St. Mary's are planning a few big signings both this year and next.
Quote from: orangeman on September 09, 2009, 09:14:39 PM
Quote from: tyrone86 on September 09, 2009, 12:40:00 AM
Heard on the grapevine that Dan Goulding, Paul Kerrigan, Charlie Vernon and Sean O'Neill are all new additions to the Poly this year :o
Big players alright.
I'm hearing that St. Mary's are planning a few big signings both this year and next.
Heard that as well - I'd be surprised if both major ones for next year actually come off though.
Quote from: tyrone86 on September 10, 2009, 12:27:47 AM
Quote from: orangeman on September 09, 2009, 09:14:39 PM
Quote from: tyrone86 on September 09, 2009, 12:40:00 AM
Heard on the grapevine that Dan Goulding, Paul Kerrigan, Charlie Vernon and Sean O'Neill are all new additions to the Poly this year :o
Big players alright.
I'm hearing that St. Mary's are planning a few big signings both this year and next.
Heard that as well - I'd be surprised if both major ones for next year actually come off though.
i hear kyle coney and peter harte are going
anyword on how murphy from donegal got on with his leaving cert again this year? had tally not him lined up as well?
suprised vernon would even kick ball for j'town. courtney would prob fall out with him if he did too....
i'd be very suprised if Vernon played ball for the Poly, he took his queens football very serious.
Quote from: nutsy--1 on September 10, 2009, 09:47:29 AM
i'd be very suprised if Vernon played ball for the Poly, he took his queens football very serious.
As did James McGovern and others... If he is going to the Poly to do a masters and had the offer of getting free accommodation and what not you think he would turn it down and miss out on playing Sigerson for a year which he clearly loves?
Who did you hear was for St Mary's Orangeman?
Quote from: Madge on September 10, 2009, 10:36:24 AM
Quote from: nutsy--1 on September 10, 2009, 09:47:29 AM
i'd be very suprised if Vernon played ball for the Poly, he took his queens football very serious.
As did James McGovern and others... If he is going to the Poly to do a masters and had the offer of getting free accommodation and what not you think he would turn it down and miss out on playing Sigerson for a year which he clearly loves?
Who did you hear was for St Mary's Orangeman?
There's talk of a returning Aussie rules player. Might be idle speculation but who knows ?.
Was told Michael Murphy and Aidan O'Shea were going to next year.
Sigerson football has become a joke.
Heard DCU have got Aidan O'Shea, Donie Kingston and Michael Murpgy. Some fresher team if true.
Quote from: Joxer on September 10, 2009, 10:50:14 AM
Was told Michael Murphy and Aidan O'Neill were going to next year.
Sigerson football has become a joke.
because school leavers are going to university?
No from the point of view that colleges, bar a select few are doing anything in their power to get the players they want where academic results dont matter.
Is the rulings still in place that freshers cannot play Sigerson?
Quote from: tyrone86 on September 09, 2009, 12:40:00 AM
Heard on the grapevine that Dan Goulding, Paul Kerrigan, Charlie Vernon and Sean O'Neill are all new additions to the Poly this year :o
Is this true?
Quote from: Joxer on September 10, 2009, 11:02:10 AM
No from the point of view that colleges, bar a select few are doing anything in their power to get the players they want where academic results dont matter.
Is the rulings still in place that freshers cannot play Sigerson?
Quote from: tyrone86 on September 09, 2009, 12:40:00 AM
Heard on the grapevine that Dan Goulding, Paul Kerrigan, Charlie Vernon and Sean O'Neill are all new additions to the Poly this year :o
Is this true?
Think there could be a way around this rule as it could be interpreted you can only play for ONE team, not both freshers and Sigerson... So some people could skip playing for the freshers and go straight into the Sigerson...
By the way, how do you know what results these people got in their tests?
Maybe they have and fair play to them if they have.
Is there much emphasis put on freshers football in colleges? Never hear about it.
I'm assuming Jordanstown will be favourites this year?
Quote from: Joxer on September 10, 2009, 11:09:56 AM
Maybe they have and fair play to them if they have.
Is there much emphasis put on freshers football in colleges? Never hear about it.
I'm assuming Jordanstown will be favourites this year?
Whenever I was there the freshers was took very seriously, but mainly from the freshers themselves, obviously everything is put on the back burner when it comes down to the Holy Grail aka the Sigerson...
Would say the Poly would have to be favourites this year if they have taken on the four players mentioned earlier in the thread... Odds normally come out once the Ryan Cup / McKenna Cup have been cleared up, will be interesting, as will the Ryan Cup.
Jordanstown nealry always start out favourites given the numbers of the high quality intake and it's hard to see this year being any different.
Quote from: Joxer on September 10, 2009, 11:02:10 AM
Quote from: tyrone86 on September 09, 2009, 12:40:00 AM
Heard on the grapevine that Dan Goulding, Paul Kerrigan, Charlie Vernon and Sean O'Neill are all new additions to the Poly this year :o
Is this true?
They're all in the Poly anyway. I heard that Vernon mightn't play but the same story was rumoured when Enda McNulty went from Queens to UUJ. I suppose you can throw in other County panelists that were freshers last year as new faces as well - Pete Fitzpatrick, Jason McAnulla, young O'Boyle from Lavey.
Quote from: orangeman on September 10, 2009, 10:42:20 AM
Quote from: Madge on September 10, 2009, 10:36:24 AM
Quote from: nutsy--1 on September 10, 2009, 09:47:29 AM
i'd be very suprised if Vernon played ball for the Poly, he took his queens football very serious.
As did James McGovern and others... If he is going to the Poly to do a masters and had the offer of getting free accommodation and what not you think he would turn it down and miss out on playing Sigerson for a year which he clearly loves?
Who did you hear was for St Mary's Orangeman?
There's talk of a returning Aussie rules player. Might be idle speculation but who knows ?.
I heard that it was both of the current Aussie based former MacRory stars.
as far as i know it is only st.marys who are allowed to play their freshers in sigerson....
load of balls anyway, boys putting it before their club need to catch themselves on
GAA President Christy Cooney has committed Croke Park for the staging of the 2011 Ulster Bank GAA Sigerson Cup Final.
Cooney was speaking at the AGM of Comhairle Ardoideachais (Third Level GAA) at Dublin Institute of Technology Aungier Street.
'I would like to commend the work of the Higher Education GAA sector and offer Croke Park to host the 2011 Sigerson Cup final in the centenary year of the competition,' he said.
The Sigerson Cup was first competed for in 1911 when it was won by UCD.
Meanwhile Chairman John Devaney has resigned from his role. The Longford native had been in the position for the past four years, and has been succeeded by Dundalk IT's Michael O'Maille who previously held the role of secretary.
O'Maille is a native of Silverbridge in Co. Armagh.
Mike McMahon of Athlone I.T. takes over from O'Maille as Secretary and is also involved with Higher Education GAA in Leinster.
McMahon is from Clare and is currently resides in Galway.
Officers Elected - Comhairle Ardoideachais 2009/2010:
Chairman - Michael Maile (DKIT);
Vice Chairman - Gerry Tully (DIT);
Secretary - Mike McMahon (AIT);
PRO - Cóilín Duffy;
Treasurer - Ray O Brien (TCD);
Ard Chomairle Delegate - John Devaney (QUB);
Coiste Bainisti Delegate - Pat Naughton;
Connacht - Larry Elwood (GMIT);
Leinster - Tommy Flynn (NUIM);
Ulster - Adrian McGuckin (UUJ);
Munster - Des Cullinane (UCC);
British Universities - Peter Mossey.
Quote from: orangeman on September 19, 2009, 10:09:57 PM
GAA President Christy Cooney has committed Croke Park for the staging of the 2011 Ulster Bank GAA Sigerson Cup Final.
Cooney was speaking at the AGM of Comhairle Ardoideachais (Third Level GAA) at Dublin Institute of Technology Aungier Street.
'I would like to commend the work of the Higher Education GAA sector and offer Croke Park to host the 2011 Sigerson Cup final in the centenary year of the competition,' he said.
The Sigerson Cup was first competed for in 1911 when it was won by UCD.
Meanwhile Chairman John Devaney has resigned from his role. The Longford native had been in the position for the past four years, and has been succeeded by Dundalk IT's Michael O'Maille who previously held the role of secretary.
O'Maille is a native of Silverbridge in Co. Armagh.
Mike McMahon of Athlone I.T. takes over from O'Maille as Secretary and is also involved with Higher Education GAA in Leinster.
McMahon is from Clare and is currently resides in Galway.
Officers Elected - Comhairle Ardoideachais 2009/2010:
Chairman - Michael Maile (DKIT);
Vice Chairman - Gerry Tully (DIT);
Secretary - Mike McMahon (AIT);
PRO - Cóilín Duffy;
Treasurer - Ray O Brien (TCD);
Ard Chomairle Delegate - John Devaney (QUB);
Coiste Bainisti Delegate - Pat Naughton;
Connacht - Larry Elwood (GMIT);
Leinster - Tommy Flynn (NUIM);
Ulster - Adrian McGuckin (UUJ);
Munster - Des Cullinane (UCC);
British Universities - Peter Mossey.
Dunno if holding it in a sparsely filled Croker would be good. How many can they expect to get for the final in all seriousness?
Quote from: orangeman on September 10, 2009, 10:42:20 AM
Quote from: Madge on September 10, 2009, 10:36:24 AM
Quote from: nutsy--1 on September 10, 2009, 09:47:29 AM
i'd be very suprised if Vernon played ball for the Poly, he took his queens football very serious.
As did James McGovern and others... If he is going to the Poly to do a masters and had the offer of getting free accommodation and what not you think he would turn it down and miss out on playing Sigerson for a year which he clearly loves?
Who did you hear was for St Mary's Orangeman?
There's talk of a returning Aussie rules player. Might be idle speculation but who knows ?.
Heard it here first folks.
Hi lads and lassies. I've set up a Facebook page for Higher Education GAA for the coming year. There is nothing on it yet but it will be updated with news, fixtures, results, pics and videos during the year.
If you want to join it the link is
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000281749613
Quote from: laoisgaa on September 24, 2009, 11:33:35 AM
Hi lads and lassies. I've set up a Facebook page for Higher Education GAA for the coming year. There is nothing on it yet but it will be updated with news, fixtures, results, pics and videos during the year.
If you want to join it the link is
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000281749613
Any word of the Ryan Cup fixtures yet laoisgaa, I think I'll try and wangle a day off to see the Ranch and the Poly
Poly and Ranch play on Wednesday 14th Oct in Jordanstown. Don't know time yet but most likely 2pm or 2.30pm
any truth in the rumour that donegal's jimmy mcguiness is back at the poly to do a pgce?
Quote from: Gold on October 01, 2009, 10:53:18 PM
any truth in the rumour that donegal's jimmy mcguiness is back at the poly to do a pgce?
Sure maybe parkinson will join him ;D
Quote from: Gold on October 01, 2009, 10:53:18 PM
any truth in the rumour that donegal's jimmy mcguiness is back at the poly to do a pgce?
Reminds me of the Rodney Dangerfield film 'Back to School'!
Quote from: stronghold on October 01, 2009, 09:18:55 PM
Poly and Ranch play on Wednesday 14th Oct in Jordanstown. Don't know time yet but most likely 2pm or 2.30pm
Cheers chief.
Quote from: Gold on October 01, 2009, 10:53:18 PM
any truth in the rumour that donegal's jimmy mcguiness is back at the poly to do a pgce?
Don't know what you have against Jim Mc Guinness. Spent five years in Third level (a lot less than alot of others), two in Tralee and three in jtown. Left with a certificate in Coaching, Degree in Sports Science . He has a masters and I think is close to becoming Dr Jim Mc Guinness. He started late for very good reasons, the death of his brother in a car crash that he too was involved in.
Has done very well for himself and is one of the best younger coaches in the business.
Quote from: stronghold on October 02, 2009, 05:46:15 PM
Quote from: Gold on October 01, 2009, 10:53:18 PM
any truth in the rumour that donegal's jimmy mcguiness is back at the poly to do a pgce?
Don't know what you have against Jim Mc Guinness. Spent five years in Third level (a lot less than alot of others), two in Tralee and three in jtown. Left with a certificate in Coaching, Degree in Sports Science . He has a masters and I think is close to becoming Dr Jim Mc Guinness. He started late for very good reasons, the death of his brother in a car crash that he two was involved in.
Has done very well for himself and is one of the best younger coaches in the business.
excellent post.
fair play to the man for having the courage to go back to college later on than usual
Any truth in the rumor that Cathal O'Rourke is taking over Queen's?
good man for pointing that out stronghold; i must confess i was under the impression he was one of these "eternal students" you run into from time to time;
i'll be happy to point this out to guys next time he comes up in conversations
Quote from: Donagh on October 09, 2009, 10:00:34 AM
Any truth in the rumor that Cathal O'Rourke is taking over Queen's?
Confirmed in the I.N. this morning. You can safely rule them out for the sigerson this year.
Billy Morgan has taken over at UCC. CIT have nearly all their winning team back this year. Kerrigan Goulding , Carey and Colm O Neill. UCC have a lot of Cork's under 21 team from last year along with Ml Shields.
Conor McManus, Ryan Keenan, Mark Goettsche, Enda Kenny, Charlie Vernon and Sean O'Neill have all joined UUJ.
TBH Queens looked fucked as do St Marys.
Mark Goettsche? Who is he?
Conor McManus is some addition the way he's playing the last 12 months.
Quote from: ExiledGael on October 09, 2009, 06:44:54 PM
Mark Goettsche? Who is he?
From Galway by way of Germany. Was on a few underage Galway teams. Never really made the breakthrough onto the senior panel though.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on October 09, 2009, 07:01:25 PM
Quote from: ExiledGael on October 09, 2009, 06:44:54 PM
Mark Goettsche? Who is he?
From Galway by way of Germany. Was on a few underage Galway teams. Never really made the breakthrough onto the senior panel though.
Was on the NUIG team the past few years. NUIG have the vast majority of last years team available again. Only lost semi to CIT by 1 point.
Quote from: Madge on September 10, 2009, 10:54:35 AM
Heard DCU have got Aidan O'Shea, Donie Kingston and Michael Murpgy. Some fresher team if true.
Heard that one myself but it is not true.
Murphy is in DCU but O'Shea is in DIT and Kingston is in UCD. Some quality players on show in next year's freshers.
Anyone have odds for this year's Sigerson winners?
Who in the name of God is Enda Kenny or what county is he from, apart from the politico never heard of the other guy. Gottche is a useful footballer.
Quote from: southsidejohnny on October 11, 2009, 06:53:10 PM
Who in the name of God is Enda Kenny or what county is he from, apart from the politico never heard of the other guy. Gottche is a useful footballer.
Is it the Roscommon u-21 captain from 2008? Think his name first name was Enda. Handy footballer if so.
Quote from: Donagh on October 09, 2009, 10:00:34 AM
Any truth in the rumor that Cathal O'Rourke is taking over Queen's?
seen 30 sets of giant ear plugs being delivered into the dub during the week! ;)
So being captain of Roscommon U21 is something big!!
Was there Ryan Cup matches today? Any idea how they went, what way some of the teams lined out?
St Mary's v UUJ , Ryan Cup match posponed until 29th Oct
What was the score in the Queens/DCU game last night? Any reports?
Queens bate 2-10 to 0-4
Quote from: Glensman on November 17, 2009, 02:52:41 PM
What was the score in the Queens/DCU game last night? Any reports?
Report in the Irish News Glensman. DCU look fairly strong. Don't know why Queens play Crozier in half-forward though, when the back line is a bit weak.
When's the Sigerson draw for this year Laoisgaa? Bound to be coming up shortly
Draw on Thursday
Cheers
The draws for the 2010 Ulster Bank Sigerson and Fitzgibbon Cups take place at Croke Park today.
Last years champions Cork IT and UCC will both be bidding to return the titles to the banks of the Lee.
The Sigerson Cup weekend takes place on February 26th/27th in Maynooth and the Fitzgibbon Cup weekend will be hosted by NUI Galway on March 5th and 6th.
Over 100 teams will battle it out to earn their places in the respective final weekends.
The draws for the 2010 Ulster Bank Sigerson Cup took place today with holders Cork IT not in action until the second round.
All matches at 2.00pm unless otherwise stated - [E.T. if necessary]
Round 1 - 27.01.10
Home advantage to first Drawn Team
Mardyke UCC v DIT
Limerick UL v Carlow IT
St Pauls GAC St Marys, Belfast v MICL
Athlone IT Bye
NUI Galway Bye
Dundalk IT Bye
Round 2 - 03.02.109
Home advantage to first Drawn Team
TBC St Marys/MICL v Cork IT
Templemore Garda College v IT Sligo
TBC UCC/DIT v NUI Galway
The Dub QUB v UUJ
Galway GMIT v Dundalk IT
DCU Sportsground DCU v UCD
TBC UL/Carlow IT v Athlone IT
Quarter-Finals - 17.02.10
Home advantage to first Drawn Team
(N) QUB/UUJ v NUI Maynooth
(O) DCU/UCD v St Marys/MICL/Cork IT
(P) UL/Carlow IT/Athlone IT v Garda College/IT Sligo
(Q) UCC/DIT/NUI Galway v GMIT/Dundalk IT
26.02.10/27.02.10 - Semi-Finals and Final in Maynooth
Winners N v Winner O
Winners P v Winner Q
ULSTER BANK TRENCH CUP 2010
All matches at 2.00pm unless otherwise stated - [E.T. if necessary]
Round 1 - 03.02.10
Home advantage to first drawn team
BÁC The Law School v Trinity
Waterford Waterford IT v BMC
Coleraine UU Coleraine v NCI
Tallaght IT Tallaght v Letterkenny IT
Tralee IT Tralee v Limerick IT
Quarter-Finals - 17.02.10
Home advantage to first drawn team
(F) Drumcondra St Patricks TC v The Law School/TCD
(G) TBC Waterford IT/BMC v UU C/NCI
(H) TBC IT Tallaght/Letterkenny IT v IT Tralee/Limerick IT
Semi-Finals - 26.02.10 (Fri) in Maynooth
British Winners v Winners F
Winners H v Winners G
Final - 27.02.10 (Sat) in Maynooth
ULSTER BANK CORN NA MAC LÉINN 2010
All matches at 2.00pm unless otherwise stated - [E.T. if necessary]
Round 1: 02.02.10 (Open Draw)
Home advantage to first drawn team
Marino Marino v Mater Dei
St Brigids IT Blanchardstown v GMIT Castlebar
TipperaryInstitute-St Pats Bye
Froebel College Bye
Cadets Bye
UU Magee Bye
RCSI Bye
GMIT Letterfrack Bye
Qtr-Finals: 09.02.10
Home advantage to first drawn team
(I) Letterfrack GMIT Letterfrack v UU Magee
(J) TBC Marino/Mater Dei v Cadets
(K) TBC IT Blanch,/GMIT Castle. v Froebel College
(L) TBC Tipp. Inst.-St Pats v RCSI
Semi-Finals: 16.02.10
Winner I v Winner J
Winner K v Winner L
Final: 27.02.10 (Sat) in Maynooth
ULSTER BANK FURTHER EDUCATION CHAMPIONSHIP 2010
All matches at 2.00pm unless otherwise stated - [E.T. if necessary]
First Round: 27.01.10
Home advantage to first drawn team
Coolock Coláiste Dhúlaigh v Cavan Institute
Qtr-Finals: 03.02.10
Home advantage to first drawn team
(B) Newry SRC v Inchicore
(C) TBC Coláiste Dhúlaigh/Cavan.Inst. v Dunboyne CFE
(D) Limavady NWRC v Carlow IE
(E) Erins Isle Coláiste Íde v Cork CFE
Semi-Finals: By 15.02.10
Winner B v Winner C
Winner D v Winner E
Final: 27.02.10 (Fri) in Maynooth
Another Queens Poly showdown at the Dub. I think they've played each other every year since 2005. Score standing at 3-2 to QUB.
Very lob-sided Sigerson draw. DCU UUJ and CIT all on the same side. NUIG, DIT and UCC will all fancy their chances on the other side.
any word on ryan cup tonight?
Any news on the Freshers Draw? Was that held today along with the Sigerson draw?? ???
Ryan Cup Final
UUJ 0-9 , DCU 0-7
Ulster Bank Higher Education Freshers Football Championship Division 1
All Games at 2.00pm unless otherwise stated - E.T. if Necessary
Round 1: 28.01.10
Home advantage first drawn team
Waterford Waterford IT v IT Sligo
Grangegorman DIT v DCU
Limerick UL v St Marys, Belfast
Cork Cork IT v Athlone IT
Galway GMIT v QUB
Mardyke UCC v UCD
Qtr-Finals: 11.02.10
Home advantage first drawn team
(1) TBC Cork IT/Athlone IT v UUJ
(2) Galway NUI Galway v UCC/UCD
(3) TBC UL/St Marys v GMIT/QUB
(4) TBC DIT/DCU v Waterford IT/IT Sligo
Semi-Finals: 24.02.10
Winners 1 v Winner 2
Winner 3 v Winner 4
Final: 10.03.10
Ulster Bank Higher Education Freshers Football Championship Division 2
All Games at 2.00pm unless otherwise stated - E.T. if Necessary
Round 1: 28.01.10
Home advantage first drawn team
St Brigids IT Blanchardstown v DCU(3)
Tralee IT Tralee v Trinity
Limerick Limerick IT v UCD(3)
Tallaght IT Tallaght v MICL
Qtr-Finals: 11.02.10
Home advantage first drawn team
(1) TBC IT Tralee/TCD v St Pats TC
(2) Maynooth NUI Maynooth v Dundalk IT
(3) Carlow IT Carlow v IT Tallaght/MICL
(4) TBC IT Blanchardstown/DCU v UCD/Limerick IT
Semi-Finals: 24.02.10
Winners 1 v Winner 2
Winner 3 v Winner 4
Final: 10.03.10
Ulster Bank Higher Education Freshers B Football League-Championship
All Games at 2.00pm unless otherwise stated - E.T. if Necessary
First Round– Thursday 4.02.10
Home advantage first drawn team
Sligo IT Sligo v Waterford IT
Belfield UCD v DCU
The Dub QUB v Athlone IT
Grangegorman DIT v UL
Quarter Finals – Tuesday 16.02.10
Home advantage first drawn team
(1) TBC DIT/UL v UCC
(2) TBC QUB/Athlone IT v Cork IT
(3) Galway NUI Galway v UUJ
(4) TBC IT Sligo/Waterford IT v UCD/DCU
Semi Finals Wednesday 24.02.10
Winners 1 v Winner 2
Winner 3 v Winner 4
Final – Wednesday 3.03.10
anywhere we can see the squads laoisgaa?
Nah there wouldn't be any squads named as such. Best to go on whatever fields in January competitions
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7868547.stm
Dont miss this years game at the dub big crowd expected