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Ref giving derry some amount of leeway

You'll need to elaborate.. I've watched 15 minutes there and not seeing what you are

There was 2 times the derry player both arms around a galway lad and pulled him round, both given as free outs to derry. 2 trips during advantages with no cards given.

What?? Where?? Were we watching the same game?!

Ah come on now. They got some handy free outs along.

In fairness Harte did a super job with Louth.

Considering Louths performance against Dublin last week.. ?

They were div 4 when he took over. Would they have done as well against Dublin or even got to a Leinster final without the work Harte put in?

No is the short answer. Tyrone heads trying to belittle what Harte has done in his management career especially with Tyrone is mildly amusing and now bitter that he's managing Derry.

What has mickey done since 2008? Hasn't beaten mayo,kerry or dublin in 16 years of championship football. I said years ago he should have left tyrone. These are facts.

Ref giving derry some amount of leeway

You'll need to elaborate.. I've watched 15 minutes there and not seeing what you are

There was 2 times the derry player both arms around a galway lad and pulled him round, both given as free outs to derry. 2 trips during advantages with no cards given.

Ill discipline from Derry killing them.

They are getting away with it. There should have been 2 black cards for derry but ref playing advantage. Thought the ref could still give a card after playing advantage ?

Only a yellow I thought? Not black or red? Maybe I'm wrong

Not sure to be honest. Would have thought if they could give a card it shouldn't matter on the colour

Ref giving derry some amount of leeway

In fairness Harte did a super job with Louth.

He did a good job but it was zero risk. They were  a division 4 team,  couldn't get any lower. Harte can team a team and make them better but isn't the man to take them to the top

Ill discipline from Derry killing them.

They are getting away with it. There should have been 2 black cards for derry but ref playing advantage. Thought the ref could still give a card after playing advantage ?

When you think of all the hype about Harte and Derry after their league win.. very poor up front and predictable packed defence.

Was telling any of my county men this who were getting ahead of themselves during the league, at the end of the day needed Penalties to beat Armagh, favourable quarter final draws against Cork and Clare only reason they made the last 2 semi finals and in the league this year only impressive win was against Kerry who were minus the Clifford's. Hartes decision making needs questioned

Not Mickey Harte who is stamping on ankles .....

Hartes training regime that has seen our whole half back line injured when they hadn't a game for a month

Mickey lived off a great tyrone side. Anyone who days mickey is a great tactical manager needs their head examined. Look at the last number of years with tyrone. Unreal that derry think mickey is the missing link after winning his last AI 16 years ago

Team mates should be taking lumps out of players who get needlessly sent off like that.

What a dirty trampish thing to do

[the inference of the cold, cash hungry GAA denying many the right to see our games, in their pursuit of money.]

I think the issue was that the subject matter has the potential to be quite emotive - the conflict between needing to raise revenue and at the same time trying to ensure that the product is available to as large an audience as possible.

I thought Cavanagh's approach played on that emotion - the inference of the cold, cash hungry GAA denying many the right to see our games, in their pursuit of money.

It could not go unchallenged and the response was an extremely powerful put down.

This is absolutely the crux of it and what he was implying.

While making a buck out of it himself, does he not see the hypocrisy in his own position.

Any anyone from Tyrone raising the issue of brown envelopes has an absolute cheek with the number of their clubs even down the divisions engaging in it. As well as the number of Tyrone coaches all over the country happily taking these payments.

Burns was 100% right to slap this

I think the issue was that the subject matter has the potential to be quite emotive - the conflict between needing to raise revenue and at the same time trying to ensure that the product is available to as large an audience as possible.

I thought Cavanagh's approach played on that emotion - the inference of the cold, cash hungry GAA denying many the right to see our games, in their pursuit of money.

It could not go unchallenged and the response was an extremely powerful put down.

This is absolutely the crux of it and what he was implying.

While making a buck out of it himself, does he not see the hypocrisy in his own position.

Any anyone from Tyrone raising the issue of brown envelopes has an absolute cheek with the number of their clubs even down the divisions engaging in it. As well as the number of Tyrone coaches all over the country happily taking these payments.

Burns was 100% right to slap this down.

down.

So no one can raise the issue of envelopes because their own county is at it? Bit of a stupid argument really. I can raise it and because my own county does it doesn't make it right.

I could raise its rich that Burns sets out stopping payments as one of his objectives considering armagh are playing kierarn a fortune for achieving nothing.

Bought time gaa addressed the issue and set a maximum limit. However this is a different discussion.

What is the big deal about what Cavanagh has said anyway?. The GAA has cash in the bank and is asset rich therefore some people might think it is a wealthy organisation. Bit of an over reaction from Burns IMO.

Burns was bang on and put Cavanagh back in his wee box.

Having cash reserves is good management as you never know what your revenue streams will generate year on year, plus the GAA will be contributing to all those centres of excellence springing up in every county and investing in other areas too.
If the GAA were borrowing money year on year to stay afloat it would be deemed poor management and rightly so.

As for the brown envelopes comment, get involved in your own club and put an end to it from within and stop gurning about it, it's nothing to do with Burns or Croke Park.

You may tell Burns its nothing to do with him then, he has made it one of his objectives to cut down on under table payments.

What Sean said was that gaa are a rich organization,  they have millions in reserves and assests worth hundreds of millions. This is all factual correct.

Beside people not liking Sean what did he say that was incorrect ?

Burns could have addressed the issue in a number of better ways but he didnt.

Sean said he missed the word amateur as in they are a very rich amateur group.

Burns is turning into a politician. Of course they gaa are rich, whatever the offical figure is they are far richer.

Where do you think all the money comes from for brown envelopes

This makes zero sense. Have to seen the turnover figures and the amijbt that is required in the next while?

What brown envelopes to to who are you talking about?

The point is for an amateur organization to have cash reserves of tens of millions of pounds they can hardly call themselves poor.

If they care about raising revenue then wouldnt it be easier to drop the ticket prices a bit to encourage more attendance.

The brown envelopes are the payements made to every manager in the gaa, these arent exactly going through the books now are they.

I actually dont have an issue with paying for some games but for Burns to come out and justify it by saying we need the money while having large cash reserves is just wrong.

Sean said he missed the word amateur as in they are a very rich amateur group.

Burns is turning into a politician. Of course they gaa are rich, whatever the offical figure is they are far richer.

Where do you think all the money comes from for brown envelopes

Its almost like a miracle recovery for each donegal player going down when they dont get a free