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General discussion / Re: Westminster Election 12th December 2019
« on: December 02, 2019, 07:02:33 AM »
A car crash of an interview by BoJo this morning on Marr. News coverage of the interview has not gone further a short snippet to point out that the 2 parties are blaming each other for Uzman Khan being at large. Where is the coverage of Bojoís wider performance??
You will be waiting a while if you want the large broadcasters  to be critical of Boris. The BBC may as well be a tory TV station.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: November 21, 2019, 10:15:41 PM »
Given that the advanced mark is coming in this year in Championship I am surprised we haven't brought in Ryan Coleman to have a look at him. We don't have many real standout target man forwards in the county right now. McNulty seems to have went really well over the club Championship but you'd have severe questions over his fitness given his past injury problems.

Not sure on this post but is McShane not the best equipped Target man in the county at the moment ? How many target men do you need.

More than one I would assume.

You will win nothing with 1 target man. Any injury or double marking and your attacking threat is gone

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General discussion / Re: Westminster Election 12th December 2019
« on: November 20, 2019, 10:31:22 AM »
Anyone see the Johnson v Corbyn debate that was on tonight? Who won?

Pretty awful truth be told. Julie Etchingham was way out of her depth, interrupted them too many times. To many stupid, silly questions but yet felt rushed.
It suited Boris who was able to duck proper scrutiny.

What wold you give each other for Christmas FFS, she should get her P45.

Yeah Etchingham was pretty awful alright.
I think there is no option but to have that format though. Otherwise it would just be Brexit, Brexit, Brexit....and nothing else.
Boris actually has nothing to say other than soundbites, "get Brexit Done", "Dither and delay"....no substance at all, just constant mud slinging.
JC I thought made more of an effort to discuss policy and to keep the focus on Labour rather than constantly point the finger at the opponent (though he did a little of that too with the redacted document).
Whilst there may not have been a "winner", for me it strengthened my opinion that JC is genuine and I feel I can trust that he believes what he's saying. Whereas Boris comes across as always saying whatever is the popular answer to a question regardless of whether or not it is truthful. He's dishonest and an outright liar, IMO.

The question on personal integrity was telling, Boris couldn't answer it.

The tories renaming their twitter account to FactCheckUK during the debate is one of the most obvious attempts to dupe the public I've ever seen. They have no shame in playing dirty propaganda trick.
Absolute tragedy if they are returned with a majority in my opinion, but it wouldn't surprise me with the little Englanders.

They will deserve everything they get and more if they vote for Boris. I mean anyone with an ounce of sense could tell Boris is lying. When asked about integrity and people who worked for Boris came forward and said you cant trust him it should tell you everything you need to know. In addition the tories changed their bloody twitter name to con people.

Given how thick the people in England seem to be at the minute I fully expect Boris to win.

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General discussion / Re: UK General Election December 2019
« on: November 12, 2019, 12:50:44 PM »
Spot on but you underestimate how thick the normal brit is. All you see on the news is smearing of labour and JC. It's ironic that given the age of smart phones we now have the ability to check or disprove any claim within a few minutes on Google. Unfortunately it seems the vast majority can't be bothered to do so.

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: October 23, 2019, 06:23:36 AM »


Youíre correct in that Johnson wants a general election to establish a majority government, it has been his modus operandi from the get go. However, the DUP will no longer be relevant after the next election barring another quirk of fate with the numbers. If the opposition granted him an election (which I doubt they will) I think he will use this to try and get his deal from last week ratified. The downside of an election for the Tories will be their annihilation in Scotland and the potential for the next government to grant a second independence referendum after Brexit is done.

I wouldn't count on that. The cash-for-ash scandal wasn't enough to finish Arlene and bring about a UUP renaissance. What makes you think the Brexit debacle will be any different? All the DUP have to do is wave the orange fleg and berate the Shinners hard enough that they'll come back with as many MPs as before, and probably even more.

Fingers crossed Arlene gets nailed when the report comes out RHI isnít over yet!!

As for the Loyalists itís laughable. Apparently when us remainers called them stupid and said they didnít know what they voted for we were just part of the sneering liberal elite and we were trying to deny their sovereignty... f**k them they deserve everything they get!!

They gambled that they could get a hard border in Ireland and it backfired spectacularly on them.

As a matter of interest who is this Loyalist Civil unrest going to be aimed at?? Itís not the Irish Govts fault the UK voted out... itís not the Nationalist/Remainers fault... they voted to leave so they can hardly take it out on themselves.

Theyíll have to mount a campaign against the British Govt on the mainland... Theyíll need to be sure they have the correct export papers when they get to Holyhead though!!!

Innocent taigs, if the past is anything to go by.

The loyalist anger will always be directed at Catholics. Any normal person would have seen this as a clear sign that the British government doesn't want or care for NI. But the loyalists like a needy child want to cling on for dear life.

Wouldn't expect the DUP to lose many mps at the next election. Their base are the same hard-core followers as Donald Trumps, nothing the DUP does will affect that base.

One thing I have learnt from the troubles documentary is that a loyalist campaign will not survive without being fed information from the British government. Can't see this happening this time though.

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: October 18, 2019, 05:30:22 PM »
I don't think this is a good deal. I'm worried about barriers East West. Declarations, tarrifs, trusted trader schemes paperwork etc. I appreciate that it does avoid a hard border which is key but a NI only backstop would be a better solution. This deal I feel isolates NI from GB and the EU. It could be the worst of both worlds.

Not often I agree with you, but I'm broadly of the same attitude.

Its a terrible deal for NI.

A crash out no deal might even be better - as it would get folks backs up over being clearly and obviously hung out by the English and have many unionists (with a small u) seriously looking at a border poll. Whereas with this, its a bit more nefarious and nebulous enough for the DUP to sell the economic basket case as not of their or Westminster's doing - all Dublin's fault etc etc.

Why??

I was thinking the same!

How is it a terrible deal for NI?

No hard border
Close ties with main trading partner
Will benefit from any trading deals UK strikes
Strong chance companies will invest in NI due to links with EU and UK

Have I missed something?

I am in agreement with yourself,  I was thinking why some thought it was a bad deal for NI.

General rule is if the DUP don't like it then it must be good lol.

No fan of Boris or tories but it's stupid when the likes of Labour or snp come out and say the deal is horrible or worse than May's deal without stating any examples as to why its bad. Its almost child like, I don't like it, why, not saying why.

Very silly to think that because DUP donít like it it must be good. This is a real issue, people arenít viewing this deal for what it is. You know when you see stuff like not available in NI and it pisses you off? Expect loads more of that. If it is available expect it to cost more.
Barriers to trade mean delay, that means extra costs, higher prices and ultimately uncompetitiveness.
But look letís see if it passes first.

The comment about the DUP was intedned to be a joke but in saying that time and time again they have shown no interest in what is good  for NI.

My take on it (which may be wrong) was that there wouldn't be any major barriers in NI as they are aligned to the EU rules but in this deal are still considered part of UK which means no additional checks.

Wish someone would do a simple 2 page document with the main points of the deal to simplify things. Athough it could be argued that it's purposely long and complex to ensure not everyone does understand it.

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: October 18, 2019, 04:28:13 PM »
Every 4 years for a MAJORITY to reject the deal.

A majority in Stormont?  Or a majority in Stormont amongst both communities? Or a referendum?

It's a simple one vote majority.

Which goes against the power sharing agreement

Seems pretty straight forward vote  to me as the majority of NI people wanted to remain so there is no reason to think that the vote in 4 years will be any different

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General discussion / Re: Gerry Adams "had Jean McConville disappeared"
« on: October 18, 2019, 04:13:06 PM »
Wasn't Jean eldest son in prison for being a member of inla when she was shot. It would be strange for her to be informing if her son was a member.

Regardless of if she was an informer it was disgusting what happened to her. They left 7 kids alone in an apartment to fend for themselves for weeks, the eldest was 15 years old. When they were eventually put into care homes the youngest lad was sexually assaulted by priests for years. Disgusting.

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: October 18, 2019, 04:09:20 PM »
I don't think this is a good deal. I'm worried about barriers East West. Declarations, tarrifs, trusted trader schemes paperwork etc. I appreciate that it does avoid a hard border which is key but a NI only backstop would be a better solution. This deal I feel isolates NI from GB and the EU. It could be the worst of both worlds.

Not often I agree with you, but I'm broadly of the same attitude.

Its a terrible deal for NI.

A crash out no deal might even be better - as it would get folks backs up over being clearly and obviously hung out by the English and have many unionists (with a small u) seriously looking at a border poll. Whereas with this, its a bit more nefarious and nebulous enough for the DUP to sell the economic basket case as not of their or Westminster's doing - all Dublin's fault etc etc.

Why??

I was thinking the same!

How is it a terrible deal for NI?

No hard border
Close ties with main trading partner
Will benefit from any trading deals UK strikes
Strong chance companies will invest in NI due to links with EU and UK

Have I missed something?

I am in agreement with yourself,  I was thinking why some thought it was a bad deal for NI.

General rule is if the DUP don't like it then it must be good lol.

No fan of Boris or tories but it's stupid when the likes of Labour or snp come out and say the deal is horrible or worse than May's deal without stating any examples as to why its bad. Its almost child like, I don't like it, why, not saying why.

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: October 18, 2019, 03:58:39 PM »
I don't think this is a good deal. I'm worried about barriers East West. Declarations, tarrifs, trusted trader schemes paperwork etc. I appreciate that it does avoid a hard border which is key but a NI only backstop would be a better solution. This deal I feel isolates NI from GB and the EU. It could be the worst of both worlds.

Not often I agree with you, but I'm broadly of the same attitude.

Its a terrible deal for NI.

A crash out no deal might even be better - as it would get folks backs up over being clearly and obviously hung out by the English and have many unionists (with a small u) seriously looking at a border poll. Whereas with this, its a bit more nefarious and nebulous enough for the DUP to sell the economic basket case as not of their or Westminster's doing - all Dublin's fault etc etc.

Why??

I was thinking the same!

How is it a terrible deal for NI?

No hard border
Close ties with main trading partner
Will benefit from any trading deals UK strikes
Strong chance companies will invest in NI due to links with EU and UK

Have I missed something?

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General discussion / Re: Various bits re Brexit and Economics
« on: October 17, 2019, 06:26:22 PM »
Martin Wolf
The UK must have a public vote on Boris Johnsonís Brexit deal

   
   https://www.ft.com/content/a513c33c-f02a-11e9-ad1e-4367d8281195

   The UK must have a public vote on Boris Johnsonís Brexit deal

Britons must agree to become significantly poorer and accept the illusion of greater sovereignty

Boris Johnsonís hard Brexit might reduce the total increase in GDP per head over a decade by 50-70%
Martin Wolf

Theresa May was wrong: a bad deal is far better than no deal. So sensible people should prefer Boris Johnsonís new deal to the lunacy of no deal. But the right thing to do now is to give the public the choice they did not have in 2016, between defined alternatives. That is perfectly democratic. It is also wise: the public need to consent to what will be a very costly outcome.

Mr Johnson argues that the new deal should be ratified by parliament at once, in order to allow the country to move on to other priorities: the cost of living, the National Health Service, violent crime and the environment. This is twaddle. All these things and more ó education, housing, infrastructure, defence, welfare and almost every aspect of taxation ó have always been within the control of the UK. Nothing but incompetence prevented UK governments from tackling them effectively while the country was in the EU.

With the principal exception of immigration, leaving the EU will give the UK the illusion, not the reality, of greater control. Its ability to transform its opportunities in trade and other aspects of international commerce, which are where EU membership does indeed matter, will turn out to be negligible. The UK on its own is merely a big minnow, generating just 3 per cent of world output. Only as part of the EU does it have the clout needed for transformative international deals. Even then, these are hard to do with the big powers.


Far worse, leaving on Mr Johnsonís terms is going to make the country substantially poorer than it would otherwise be. That is not only bad in itself. It is also going to reduce the resources available to any future government to deliver on domestic policy promises. Indeed, this is already the case. The latest Green Budget from the Institute for Fiscal Studies and Citi argues that: ďGross domestic product is roughly 2.5-3.0 per cent (£55bn-£66bn) below where we think it would have been without Brexit.Ē This is quite likely to be a permanent loss. It would imply an equally permanent reduction in fiscal revenue of a little over 1 per cent of GDP.

With this deal, which implies a very hard Brexit, things will get worse. A recent analysis, The economic impact of Boris Johnsonís Brexit proposals, from The UK in a Changing Europe think-tank, concludes that, other things being equal, GDP per head could be between 5.8 and 7 per cent lower, in the long run, under Mr Johnsonís deal compared to staying in the EU. This is even worse than the 5.5 per cent loss estimated under the May deal, although better than the 8.7 per cent loss under ďWTO termsĒ.

Such estimates are highly uncertain. But they are based on standard economic models and not on questionable assumptions about short-term macroeconomic behaviour. The component elements are the direct trade effects (a loss of 2.3 to 2.7 percentage points of GDP) and an induced effect on productivity, as the UK economy becomes less open to trade. The ranges are determined by the severity of controls on immigration.

The implied impact on future prosperity is dramatic. At present, a modestly optimistic assumption, given the UKís recent dire productivity performance, is that prospective GDP per head will rise at 1 per cent a year. If so, Mr Johnsonís hard Brexit might reduce the total increase in GDP per head over a decade by between 50 and 70 per cent!

Fiscally, the UK would benefit from not having to continue its contributions to the EU. But the impact of reduced GDP growth would far more than offset this gain. The analysis concludes that, without the productivity adjustment, the long-term fiscal position would be worse by between 0.7 and 0.9 per cent of GDP and, with it, by between 1.9 and 2.2 per cent of GDP (£41bn-49bn in current prices). If so, this would severely curtail any governmentís ability to deliver in the areas Mr Johnson favours.

Nor, of course, is this all. In addition to the likely economic costs come the dire political ones, notably the radically increased likelihood of a break up of the UK and the painful separation from our closest neighbours and partners.

Yes, this deal is far better than no deal. But it is a terrible deal and also one that is far indeed from the ďhaving our cake and eating itĒ promised by Mr Johnson in the referendum campaign. It is, simply, a monstrous act of national self harm. It is not good enough to let an exhausted parliament wave it through.

Despite all the obvious risks, the people should be asked whether this deal is what they truly want for their future and that of their children and childrenís children. The right thing to do is to put it to the people. They now know what choices lie in front of them and their country. If they choose this one knowingly, so be it.

martin.wolf@ft.com

Wouldn't believe the predictions. Before the election it was widely stated that a vote to leave would bring thousands of job losses and an immediate recession. Reality was that unemployed fell. Most economists are no better than mystic Meg.

Sat is lining for up a cracker day. 1 channel the rugby while the news on the other

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: October 17, 2019, 11:09:38 AM »
Labour have stated this morning that they will back the deal if if includes a people's referendum

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: October 17, 2019, 10:06:15 AM »
I have 2 theories on the DUP. 1 is that they will continue to shout No No No until the last minute and then finally back the deal. They will say the fought to the end and got necessary consession from the government

2 is that they realise they are in a no win situation and will continue to oppose any deal in the hope of a ref to cancel brexit. Then they can walk out with their heads held and say we fought until the end.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: October 14, 2019, 10:10:07 AM »
Petey Harte, big game = no show again  ::)

Harsh. He was well marked

Its only harsh if it has only happened once or twice in the past. In reality it happens in almost every big game he plays in. Hes fantastic against good opposition but against the top teams he is always found wanting. 

What bugs me the most is that there doesn't seem to be any fight or aggression in him which is why he is always bullied in the big games. The semi final against Kerry springs to mind, constantly being fouled and pushed back but he just stood there and took it.

In reality if he was not related to MH he would be taken off in the big games or heaven forbid he may have even been dropped.

Its a depressing sight to see him being bullied in the big games while better players are taken off instead of him.

Peter Harte hit 1-3 out of 2-4.  Only 2 forwards scored for EC. Very harsh to lay the blame at PH

Wasn't blaming Peter for the loss. My comment was more of a general issue with him when it comes to big games. Although the penalty at the very end made it look like he had a big impact on the scoreboard. Cant believe they only score 3 points in an entire game of football.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: October 14, 2019, 09:07:50 AM »
Petey Harte, big game = no show again  ::)

Harsh. He was well marked

Its only harsh if it has only happened once or twice in the past. In reality it happens in almost every big game he plays in. Hes fantastic against good opposition but against the top teams he is always found wanting. 

What bugs me the most is that there doesn't seem to be any fight or aggression in him which is why he is always bullied in the big games. The semi final against Kerry springs to mind, constantly being fouled and pushed back but he just stood there and took it.

In reality if he was not related to MH he would be taken off in the big games or heaven forbid he may have even been dropped.

Its a depressing sight to see him being bullied in the big games while better players are taken off instead of him.

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