Should be a tough game for Cork but fancy us to pull through. Kildare are a good side but there awere a few tougher draws we could have got.
Cork to win, Noel O'Leary to give Seanie a few slaps, 31 counties to cheer the result. Don't fook it up.
I'm obviously quite new to this, but does everyone want Kildare beat over the Johnston affair or is it a long running thing?
Yeah Kerry will support Cork because of Seanie Johnston.. Unlikely
I think its the worst possible draw for Kildare. Can't see any team stopping Cork this year, Goulding, O Neill, and Sheehan are all back to full fitness this year and flying.
It is not the draw I wanted to be honest, a rusty Cork coming up a potentially dangerous Kildare side coming off a run of games.
Kildare can look one-dimensional at times when they come up against a blanket defense but Cork operate with six defenders which will suit Kildare's running game. It will probably be an open game which will come down to a battle of the forwards and Cork should have the edge here but I expect it to be close and nervy, particularly if Cork are slow to come out of the blocks.
Cork by 4-6 points after a tight, incredibly physical game for 55mins
Quote from: Man of Kent on July 28, 2012, 09:42:31 PM
I'm obviously quite new to this, but does everyone want Kildare beat over the Johnston affair or is it a long running thing?
More the Johnston thing. Wasn't the most ethical transfer ever but smacks of hypocrisy to hate Kildare over it... Cork won All-Irelands in 1989 and 1990 spearheaded by two Kildare players, for example.
No-one likes us, MoK, but we don't care. Up the Lilies.
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on July 28, 2012, 10:10:47 PM
Quote from: Man of Kent on July 28, 2012, 09:42:31 PM
I'm obviously quite new to this, but does everyone want Kildare beat over the Johnston affair or is it a long running thing?
More the Johnston thing. Wasn't the most ethical transfer ever but smacks of hypocrisy to hate Kildare over it... Cork won All-Irelands in 1989 and 1990 spearheaded by two Kildare players, for example.
No-one likes us, MoK, but we don't care. Up the Lilies.
Didn't think it could be a first (however messy the SJ thing may have been). I chose Kildare as they were involved in the first GAA matches I watched.................so i'm sticking with you! Up the Lilies
Quote from: Man of Kent on July 28, 2012, 10:26:00 PM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on July 28, 2012, 10:10:47 PM
Quote from: Man of Kent on July 28, 2012, 09:42:31 PM
I'm obviously quite new to this, but does everyone want Kildare beat over the Johnston affair or is it a long running thing?
More the Johnston thing. Wasn't the most ethical transfer ever but smacks of hypocrisy to hate Kildare over it... Cork won All-Irelands in 1989 and 1990 spearheaded by two Kildare players, for example.
No-one likes us, MoK, but we don't care. Up the Lilies.
Didn't think it could be a first (however messy the SJ thing may have been). I chose Kildare as they were involved in the first GAA matches I watched.................so i'm sticking with you! Up the Lilies
At least you didn't jump on the Dublin bandwagon as they are the media's favourite team
Quote from: rodney trotter on July 28, 2012, 10:30:58 PM
Quote from: Man of Kent on July 28, 2012, 10:26:00 PM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on July 28, 2012, 10:10:47 PM
Quote from: Man of Kent on July 28, 2012, 09:42:31 PM
I'm obviously quite new to this, but does everyone want Kildare beat over the Johnston affair or is it a long running thing?
More the Johnston thing. Wasn't the most ethical transfer ever but smacks of hypocrisy to hate Kildare over it... Cork won All-Irelands in 1989 and 1990 spearheaded by two Kildare players, for example.
No-one likes us, MoK, but we don't care. Up the Lilies.
Didn't think it could be a first (however messy the SJ thing may have been). I chose Kildare as they were involved in the first GAA matches I watched.................so i'm sticking with you! Up the Lilies
At least you didn't jump on the Dublin bandwagon as they are the media's favourite team
Could never have done that. To have pick Dublin, Kerry or Cork would have been like pick Manchester United or Chelski. To quote one of the North most famous...............never, never, never!
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on July 28, 2012, 10:10:47 PM
Quote from: Man of Kent on July 28, 2012, 09:42:31 PM
I'm obviously quite new to this, but does everyone want Kildare beat over the Johnston affair or is it a long running thing?
More the Johnston thing. Wasn't the most ethical transfer ever but smacks of hypocrisy to hate Kildare over it... Cork won All-Irelands in 1989 and 1990 spearheaded by two Kildare players, for example.
No-one likes us, MoK, but we don't care. Up the Lilies.
Kildare as Millwall I like it...
They build us up and now they are ready to cut loose, the article from the failed rugby writer in the Indo was amusing, just waiting to stick the knife into Kildare, as I have said previously they have the epitaph already written.
We will probably get to read it next week but CorK are favourites and are a superb team so it will be hard to justify Kildare losing as an epic failure.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 28, 2012, 10:47:05 PM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on July 28, 2012, 10:10:47 PM
Quote from: Man of Kent on July 28, 2012, 09:42:31 PM
I'm obviously quite new to this, but does everyone want Kildare beat over the Johnston affair or is it a long running thing?
More the Johnston thing. Wasn't the most ethical transfer ever but smacks of hypocrisy to hate Kildare over it... Cork won All-Irelands in 1989 and 1990 spearheaded by two Kildare players, for example.
No-one likes us, MoK, but we don't care. Up the Lilies.
Kildare as Millwall I like it...
They build us up and now they are ready to cut loose, the article from the failed rugby writer in the Indo was amusing, just waiting to stick the knife into Kildare, as I have said previously they have the epitaph already written.
We will probably get to read it next week but CorK are favourites and are a superb team so it will be hard to justify Kildare losing as an epic failure.
What gets me about this is that all the experts now say we are drastically over-rated but also say it will be a failure if we don't beat the All-Ireland favourites.
Can't have it both ways.
When Kildare lose to Cork do ye reckon will McGeeney leave or will he get another year?
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What gets me about this is that all the experts now say we are drastically over-rated but also say it will be a failure if we don't beat the All-Ireland favourites.
Can't have it both ways.
Can't see Kildare being good enough to beat an excellent Cork side. If they do it will really throw the whole thing open, which would be great.
Sometimes you can want something too much and look to poach players for positions that may be lacking in terms of quality. This is how Kildare are perceived. Anyroad it would they turn Cork over.
Happy enough with this draw. We may not win it but I think we'll give them their fill of it.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on July 28, 2012, 11:21:10 PM
When Kildare lose to Cork do ye reckon will McGeeney leave or will he get another year?
He wouldn't need to get another year as he has a Contract until 2013.
Paul Grimley is the new Armagh manager, so that would rule out McGeeney from being involved with them next year, and Glen Ryan is staying with Longford for another year, The man who was suppose to be the fav to take over from McGeeney. Your hoping Mcgeeney will go becuase of johnston, sad that Myles.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 28, 2012, 10:47:05 PM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on July 28, 2012, 10:10:47 PM
Quote from: Man of Kent on July 28, 2012, 09:42:31 PM
I'm obviously quite new to this, but does everyone want Kildare beat over the Johnston affair or is it a long running thing?
More the Johnston thing. Wasn't the most ethical transfer ever but smacks of hypocrisy to hate Kildare over it... Cork won All-Irelands in 1989 and 1990 spearheaded by two Kildare players, for example.
No-one likes us, MoK, but we don't care. Up the Lilies.
Kildare as Millwall I like it...
They build us up and now they are ready to cut loose, the article from the failed rugby writer in the Indo was amusing, just waiting to stick the knife into Kildare, as I have said previously they have the epitaph already written.
We will probably get to read it next week but CorK are favourites and are a superb team so it will be hard to justify Kildare losing as an epic failure.
Who's the failed rugby writer in the Indo?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 28, 2012, 10:47:05 PM
Kildare as Millwall I like it...
They build us up and now they are ready to cut loose, the article from the failed rugby writer in the Indo was amusing, just waiting to stick the knife into Kildare, as I have said previously they have the epitaph already written.
We will probably get to read it next week but CorK are favourites and are a superb team so it will be hard to justify Kildare losing as an epic failure.
What article was this?
It's amusing that Donegal seem to have taken over the mantle of media darlings now after the ridiculous amount of bad press they got last year. Kildare were being given the big build up in the press last year and now we're public enemy number one. Some turnaround.
Quote from: rodney trotter on July 29, 2012, 10:31:54 AM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on July 28, 2012, 11:21:10 PM
When Kildare lose to Cork do ye reckon will McGeeney leave or will he get another year?
He wouldn't need to get another year as he has a Contract until 2013.
Paul Grimley is the new Armagh manager, so that would rule out McGeeney from being involved with them next year, and Glen Ryan is staying with Longford for another year, The man who was suppose to be the fav to take over from McGeeney. Your hoping Mcgeeney will go becuase of johnston, sad that Myles.
First off, I just asked a question.
2nd, I was a fan of Kildare before this season. They brought great crowds and colour to their matches and I think like most people I'd have liked to see then do well and win a Leinster or even Sam. However, Mcgeeney has crossed the line in my opinion tapping up players from other counties - not just SJ. I, like a lot of people, am against this type of behaviour no matter what county and what player. McGeeney has damaged the goodwill towards kildare and while he might not give a shit I'm sure plenty in kildare do as well as elsewhere. So the question is again will he be forced out or leave given for all his professional approach, player poaching etc he will have won nothing in his term if they lose to Cork.
If Kildare were to win the All Ireland this year or next year, and say Johnston made the difference in the Final, most Kildare people would accept Johnston as a Kildare player. He hasn't started a game yet so McGeeney hasn't exactly made it look like as soon as Johnston was available he would be in the team. They have a squad of players, and Johnston is one of them, not the main man.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on July 29, 2012, 10:51:41 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on July 29, 2012, 10:31:54 AM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on July 28, 2012, 11:21:10 PM
When Kildare lose to Cork do ye reckon will McGeeney leave or will he get another year?
He wouldn't need to get another year as he has a Contract until 2013.
Paul Grimley is the new Armagh manager, so that would rule out McGeeney from being involved with them next year, and Glen Ryan is staying with Longford for another year, The man who was suppose to be the fav to take over from McGeeney. Your hoping Mcgeeney will go becuase of johnston, sad that Myles.
First off, I just asked a question.
2nd, I was a fan of Kildare before this season. They brought great crowds and colour to their matches and I think like most people I'd have liked to see then do well and win a Leinster or even Sam. However, Mcgeeney has crossed the line in my opinion tapping up players from other counties - not just SJ. I, like a lot of people, am against this type of behaviour no matter what county and what player. McGeeney has damaged the goodwill towards kildare and while he might not give a shit I'm sure plenty in kildare do as well as elsewhere. So the question is again will he be forced out or leave given for all his professional approach, player poaching etc he will have won nothing in his term if they lose to Cork.
The management team is not up for review by the County Board at the end of this year so it would take a club delegate to propose a motion to change the management and that would have to receive a 2/3s majority. I know there are plenty of club delegates out there who would be delighted to see the back of McGeeney but I can't see any of them sticking their head above the parapet to raise a motion of no confidence and I very much doubt they'd be able to get a 2/3s majority.
With Glenn looking like he'll stick with Longford for another year it would probably be shooting ourselves in the foot anyway because I can't see another manager out there who would be acceptable to the players and supporters alike. Whatever people's opinions on McGeeney and I have a few of my own, no one an deny that he has got the maximum levels of commitment and dedication out of this group of players. I don't think anyone other than Glenn would get the same levels of trust from the players.
Quote from: rodney trotter on July 29, 2012, 11:02:53 AM
If Kildare were to win the All Ireland this year or next year, and say Johnston made the difference in the Final, most Kildare people would accept Johnston as a Kildare player. He hasn't started a game yet so McGeeney hasn't exactly made it look like as soon as Johnston was available he would be in the team. They have a squad of players, and Johnston is one of them, not the main man.
I agree, that's one side of the coin. Kildare win Sam, sj is great and mcgeeney is a legend and f**k the begrudgers. The other side of the coin is what I'm asking about and I might add this is more likely. Cork beat kildare and 4 years on kildare have won nothing under mcgeeney - what then?
Quote from: rodney trotter on July 29, 2012, 11:02:53 AM
If Kildare were to win the All Ireland this year or next year, and say Johnston made the difference in the Final, most Kildare people would accept Johnston as a Kildare player. He hasn't started a game yet so McGeeney hasn't exactly made it look like as soon as Johnston was available he would be in the team. They have a squad of players, and Johnston is one of them, not the main man.
I wonder if McGeeney privately wonders now if it was worth all the hassle. Maybe I'm biased because I was against the guy playing for Kildare but in his three appearances so far, I have not been overly impressed with him and I don't think he's much of an improvement on the other fringe players we have. The game was effectively over when he kicked his two points against Limerick and his only contribution last night was to fall over when the ball came near him. Maybe he'll prove me wrong and make a match winning contribution against Cork but I think it's interesting that both Alan Smith and James Kavanagh have both upped their games significantly so far this summer. Maybe that's what McGeeney was after all along!!
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 29, 2012, 11:15:03 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on July 29, 2012, 11:02:53 AM
If Kildare were to win the All Ireland this year or next year, and say Johnston made the difference in the Final, most Kildare people would accept Johnston as a Kildare player. He hasn't started a game yet so McGeeney hasn't exactly made it look like as soon as Johnston was available he would be in the team. They have a squad of players, and Johnston is one of them, not the main man.
I wonder if McGeeney privately wonders now if it was worth all the hassle. Maybe I'm biased because I was against the guy playing for Kildare but in his three appearances so far, I have not been overly impressed with him and I don't think he's much of an improvement on the other fringe players we have. The game was effectively over when he kicked his two points against Limerick and his only contribution last night was to fall over when the ball came near him. Maybe he'll prove me wrong and make a match winning contribution against Cork but I think it's interesting that both Alan Smith and James Kavanagh have both upped their games significantly so far this summer. Maybe that's what McGeeney was after all along!!
Hell have learnt a lesson that any Cavan man would tell you, seanie doesn't do games in bad weather!
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 29, 2012, 11:15:03 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on July 29, 2012, 11:02:53 AM
If Kildare were to win the All Ireland this year or next year, and say Johnston made the difference in the Final, most Kildare people would accept Johnston as a Kildare player. He hasn't started a game yet so McGeeney hasn't exactly made it look like as soon as Johnston was available he would be in the team. They have a squad of players, and Johnston is one of them, not the main man.
I wonder if McGeeney privately wonders now if it was worth all the hassle. Maybe I'm biased because I was against the guy playing for Kildare but in his three appearances so far, I have not been overly impressed with him and I don't think he's much of an improvement on the other fringe players we have. The game was effectively over when he kicked his two points against Limerick and his only contribution last night was to fall over when the ball came near him. Maybe he'll prove me wrong and make a match winning contribution against Cork but I think it's interesting that both Alan Smith and James Kavanagh have both upped their games significantly so far this summer. Maybe that's what McGeeney was after all along!!
It'd hard to know. Johnston was a top forward for 5/6 years with Cavan, but his form last year was very poor. Cavan were very poor last year in general, but he looked like he wasn't the same player he was a few years ago. He hasn't looked the same player since he finished in DCU where they basically eat, drink and sleep football.
Although he has played very little football since the Ulster Club match last October against Glenswilly. That was his last game with the Gaels, he has only played one league game with St Kevins and the cameo Hurling appearance. Only so much training, playing games is whats it all about.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 29, 2012, 10:40:01 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 28, 2012, 10:47:05 PM
Kildare as Millwall I like it...
They build us up and now they are ready to cut loose, the article from the failed rugby writer in the Indo was amusing, just waiting to stick the knife into Kildare, as I have said previously they have the epitaph already written.
We will probably get to read it next week but CorK are favourites and are a superb team so it will be hard to justify Kildare losing as an epic failure.
What article was this?
It's amusing that Donegal seem to have taken over the mantle of media darlings now after the ridiculous amount of bad press they got last year. Kildare were being given the big build up in the press last year and now we're public enemy number one. Some turnaround.
David Kelly is the failed rugby writer, was a soccer journalist, originally moved to rugby and is now on football, brutal at all 3.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/a-manager-can-lose-a-game-but-he-can-never-win-it-3182188.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/a-manager-can-lose-a-game-but-he-can-never-win-it-3182188.html)
Maybe I'm paranoid but the tone really has shifted and the choice of language is so negative and an obvious agenda has risen
Some selective quotes
QuoteWere it not for James Kavanagh dispossessing a toiling, loitering Limerick man, John Cooke, on the Kildare goal-line, their championship hopes would have expired before the quarter-finals for the first time on McGeeney's watch.
It would have been the last.
QuoteKildare, you suspect, after five years of liberating relief from being at once perennial mediocrities but also frustrating under-achievers, would not have stood on ceremony as they politely held the door open for him on the way out.
QuoteKildare's calamitous Leinster submission to a young, vibrant Meath, which left them once more at the mercy of the penitential qualifiers, sees them visit a venue to which they raised a familiar objection.
QuoteLike the strop concerning O'Moore Park, it was summarily dismissed by officialdom and ridiculed by the general populace.
QuoteTo the suggestion that Breffni Park be deployed, internet wags opined that Cavan had done quite enough to accommodate Kildare GAA already, thank you very much.
QuoteSadly but predictably, many neutrals will be wishing Sligo much cheer in their bid to tan the Lilywhite hides.
QuoteAnd so, just as the benefit of history won't unnerve many in Sligo, the uncertainty of the present will weigh heavily on Kildare shoulders.
QuoteHis side share similar traits -- and thus limitations -- to today's opposition. The difference is McGeeney, in his fifth year with Kildare, was supposed to have trumped every obstacle by now.
QuoteAt huge expense, he has ultimately failed to do so and, although ill-fortune has mocked his reign -- dodgy frees and 'square balls' alike -- bad luck has not been as entirely coincidental as the often paranoid Kildare camp would like to suggest.
Self-imposed failings and McGeeney's own flaws have played as much a role as purported malign influences beyond his and the team's control.
QuoteKildare's chances are running out. Lose to Sligo and McGeeeney will probably lose his job.
Quote from: rodney trotter on July 29, 2012, 11:26:25 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 29, 2012, 11:15:03 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on July 29, 2012, 11:02:53 AM
If Kildare were to win the All Ireland this year or next year, and say Johnston made the difference in the Final, most Kildare people would accept Johnston as a Kildare player. He hasn't started a game yet so McGeeney hasn't exactly made it look like as soon as Johnston was available he would be in the team. They have a squad of players, and Johnston is one of them, not the main man.
I wonder if McGeeney privately wonders now if it was worth all the hassle. Maybe I'm biased because I was against the guy playing for Kildare but in his three appearances so far, I have not been overly impressed with him and I don't think he's much of an improvement on the other fringe players we have. The game was effectively over when he kicked his two points against Limerick and his only contribution last night was to fall over when the ball came near him. Maybe he'll prove me wrong and make a match winning contribution against Cork but I think it's interesting that both Alan Smith and James Kavanagh have both upped their games significantly so far this summer. Maybe that's what McGeeney was after all along!!
It'd hard to know. Johnston was a top forward for 5/6 years with Cavan, but his form last year was very poor. Cavan were very poor last year in general, but he looked like he wasn't the same player he was a few years ago. He hasn't looked the same player since he finished in DCU where they basically eat, drink and sleep football.
Although he has played very little football since the Ulster Club match last October against Glenswilly. That was his last game with the Gaels, he has only played one league game with St Kevins and the cameo Hurling appearance. Only so much training, playing games is whats it all about.
Maybe it is just rustiness from a lack of games but he's yet to show, admittedly from very limited opportunities, that he deserves to start for Kildare. Obviously anything he does on the field is going to be subject to far more scrutiny than any other player.
Looking forward to next weekend I'd be surprised if there were many changes. Foley again was immense at midfield and his physicality will be needed against Cork's big men. Interesting to see if Cork deploy Murphy on the edge of the square again and whether we stick McGrillen or Kelly on him. Kildare's defence last night was excellent. Sligo were poor but the Kildare backs were relentless and there was huge intensity and aggression for 70 mins which was great to see. Sligo couldn't live with it and eventually just lost the heads as evidenced by Harrison lashing out at Johnny. It was the first time in a good while that I've seen such hunger from this Kildare team - a week really is a long time in football.
Leper could push hard for a place and he's the type of pacy, hard-running player that could cause the Cork half-back line problems. That's the one area of the field where I feel we can get at them. If we can get parity at midfield then we should give them a right rattle.
And today's match report from the Indo continues this theme.
Any Kildare supporter will tell you that last night wasn't one of frustration but of delight, happy with our work rate, happy with our intensity and to win by 9 points and holding the opposition to no score from play in 70 minutes..
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/lilies-lacking-killer-instinct-3182607.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/lilies-lacking-killer-instinct-3182607.html)
QuoteKildare boss Kieran McGeeney is still searching for that magic bullet that could transform his side into genuine All-Ireland contenders.
The Lilywhites frustrated their fans at Hyde Park last night with another performance soaked in promise but so sadly lacking in conviction. A nine-point success is no more than any manager would wish for at this stage of the championship season, but this Round 4 Qualifier win was less than inspiring.
Yes, they did completely snuff out Sligo's attacking threat, but they failed to drive home the advantage in a manner which will shorten their odds for All-Ireland success.
It's been something of a struggle for McGeeney's men since their Leinster Championship assault was ambushed by Meath. Almost derailed by Limerick, they managed to recover sufficient composure to get over the line last night.
Quote from: In manager Kevin Walsh, too, Sligo have a man who knows what it's like to beat Kildare; the Galway giant anchored his county's midfield in both the 1998 All-Ireland final and the 2000 semi-final (the last time John Doyle failed to score in a championship game).
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/a-manager-can-lose-a-game-but-he-can-never-win-it-3182188.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/a-manager-can-lose-a-game-but-he-can-never-win-it-3182188.html)
Factually incorrect for a start!
Quote from: Kildare boss Kieran McGeeney is still searching for that magic bullet that could transform his side into genuine All-Ireland contenders.
The Lilywhites frustrated their fans at Hyde Park last night with another performance soaked in promise but so sadly lacking in conviction. A nine-point success is no more than any manager would wish for at this stage of the championship season, but this Round 4 Qualifier win was less than inspiring.
Yes, they did completely snuff out Sligo's attacking threat, but they failed to drive home the advantage in a manner which will shorten their odds for All-Ireland success.
It's been something of a struggle for McGeeney's men since their Leinster Championship assault was ambushed by Meath. Almost derailed by Limerick, they managed to recover sufficient composure to get over the line last night.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/lilies-lacking-killer-instinct-3182607.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/lilies-lacking-killer-instinct-3182607.html)
It was probably the most encouraging Kildare performance in a long time and I'd have been quite pesimistic about the way things were going prior to the throw in last night. Everything these days is written in the context of Kildare being contenders. Cork rather than Sligo will be a defining examination in that regard.
But we keep getting written off as contenders, so why are we been evaluated as contenders? It's mental while the balance last year was too positive it has now swung to the opposite end of the spectrum, it's really hard outside some forums and blogs to get objective decent analysis that makes you sit up and think yea that's a valid point, there is now a severe lack of constructive criticism in the national newspapers, it's all sound bites.
I mean for example there is a myth that Kildare scored with the last kick of the game against Limerick but there was actually another minute to play and Kildare had a chance to win it in normal time and probably should have as Leper had time and space but it's painfully obvious people are analyzing that game having only see 2 minutes on the Sunday game.
Anyhow really look forward to this game, we'll bring confidence into it, will be match sharper and can match Cork physically, I personally don't see much difference between either set of forwards, I certainly don't see a Colm Cooper or Declan O'Sullivan playing for Cork. Cork though will be physically fresher and in the last 20 minutes if it's tight can see Cork edging it especially as they won't lack for belief, something that Kildare unfortunately will lack something that a win will actually give us.
We're a young side still and the optimist thinks that promotion to Division 1, a good performance in the AIQF and it won't have been a bad year especially after the SJ saga and a year in Division 1 playing the top sides could really see us push on next year..
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 29, 2012, 11:38:47 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 29, 2012, 10:40:01 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 28, 2012, 10:47:05 PM
Kildare as Millwall I like it...
They build us up and now they are ready to cut loose, the article from the failed rugby writer in the Indo was amusing, just waiting to stick the knife into Kildare, as I have said previously they have the epitaph already written.
We will probably get to read it next week but CorK are favourites and are a superb team so it will be hard to justify Kildare losing as an epic failure.
What article was this?
It's amusing that Donegal seem to have taken over the mantle of media darlings now after the ridiculous amount of bad press they got last year. Kildare were being given the big build up in the press last year and now we're public enemy number one. Some turnaround.
David Kelly is the failed rugby writer, was a soccer journalist, originally moved to rugby and is now on football, brutal at all 3.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/a-manager-can-lose-a-game-but-he-can-never-win-it-3182188.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/a-manager-can-lose-a-game-but-he-can-never-win-it-3182188.html)
Maybe I'm paranoid but the tone really has shifted and the choice of language is so negative and an obvious agenda has risen
David Kelly would be a general purpose sports writer at the Indo, from what I can see. So if an Irish swimmer manages not to drown at the Olympics, say, Kelly is asked to write the why-oh-why piece on 50 metre pools.
As for agendas, the Indo always has an agenda. The Indo is terrified of being blown away by the Mail so the way it's trying to counteract that is by being more spicy in its news coverage - actual news, as opposed to just sports. So there'll be a Croke Park Chokers piece for Mayo this week, because they reckon that'll sell more papers in my own little part of Heaven.
The policy is cutting off their nose to spite their face if you ask me, because news is no longer news after its been spun. So while they might sell more papers this week, on the did-you-see-what-this-bastard-wrote theory, their overall sales will go down, because people will realise they're being spun as opposed to being told the news. But that penny hasn't dropped yet, so prepare to be pissed off for a while yet with them.
David Kelly got a bad time from Eddie O'Sullivan a few years ago, when his craven colleagues failed to back him for daring to question Eddie's divinity. I'd have a lot of time for him because of that.
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 29, 2012, 11:38:47 AM
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 28, 2012, 10:47:05 PM
Kildare as Millwall I like it...
They build us up and now they are ready to cut loose, the article from the failed rugby writer in the Indo was amusing, just waiting to stick the knife into Kildare, as I have said previously they have the epitaph already written.
We will probably get to read it next week but CorK are favourites and are a superb team so it will be hard to justify Kildare losing as an epic failure.
What article was this?
It's amusing that Donegal seem to have taken over the mantle of media darlings now after the ridiculous amount of bad press they got last year. Kildare were being given the big build up in the press last year and now we're public enemy number one. Some turnaround.
David Kelly is the failed rugby writer, was a soccer journalist, originally moved to rugby and is now on football, brutal at all 3.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/a-manager-can-lose-a-game-but-he-can-never-win-it-3182188.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/a-manager-can-lose-a-game-but-he-can-never-win-it-3182188.html)
Maybe I'm paranoid but the tone really has shifted and the choice of language is so negative and an obvious agenda has risen
David Kelly would be a general purpose sports writer at the Indo, from what I can see. So if an Irish swimmer manages not to drown at the Olympics, say, Kelly is asked to write the why-oh-why piece on 50 metre pools.
As for agendas, the Indo always has an agenda. The Indo is terrified of being blown away by the Mail so the way it's trying to counteract that is by being more spicy in its news coverage - actual news, as opposed to just sports. So there'll be a Croke Park Chokers piece for Mayo this week, because they reckon that'll sell more papers in my own little part of Heaven.
The policy is cutting off their nose to spite their face if you ask me, because news is no longer news after its been spun. So while they might sell more papers this week, on the did-you-see-what-this-b**tard-wrote theory, their overall sales will go down, because people will realise they're being spun as opposed to being told the news. But that penny hasn't dropped yet, so prepare to be pissed off for a while yet with them.
David Kelly got a bad time from Eddie O'Sullivan a few years ago, when his craven colleagues failed to back him for daring to question Eddie's divinity. I'd have a lot of time for him because of that.
Good point well made, will give him some credit for O'Sullivan maybe he can do the same with Kidney.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 29, 2012, 12:10:48 PM
But we keep getting written off as contenders, so why are we been evaluated as contenders? It's mental while the balance last year was too positive it has now swung to the opposite end of the spectrum, it's really hard outside some forums and blogs to get objective decent analysis that makes you sit up and think yea that's a valid point, there is now a severe lack of constructive criticism in the national newspapers, it's all sound bites.
I mean for example there is a myth that Kildare scored with the last kick of the game against Limerick but there was actually another minute to play and Kildare had a chance to win it in normal time and probably should have as Leper had time and space but it's painfully obvious people are analyzing that game having only see 2 minutes on the Sunday game.
Anyhow really look forward to this game, we'll bring confidence into it, will be match sharper and can match Cork physically, I personally don't see much difference between either set of forwards, I certainly don't see a Colm Cooper or Declan O'Sullivan playing for Cork. Cork though will be physically fresher and in the last 20 minutes if it's tight can see Cork edging it especially as they won't lack for belief, something that Kildare unfortunately will lack something that a win will actually give us.
We're a young side still and the optimist thinks that promotion to Division 1, a good performance in the AIQF and it won't have been a bad year especially after the SJ saga and a year in Division 1 playing the top sides could really see us push on next year..
Sure that's GAA journalism and analysis for you. Kildare will run all day but lack natural forwards, Meath are never beaten, Mayo are mentally weak etc. Lazy stereotypes and cliches are par for the course.
Chances are that most pundits commenting on the Limerick match saw nothing of it but the two or three minutes that the Sunday Game gave to it. While Limerick did indeed frustrate Kildare for long periods, we were fairly dominant in the last twenty minutes of that match and I think Limerick failed to score in that period. We cut the gap to one with about ten minutes left and had a good few chances to level it before we did. Watching the Sunday Game you'd get the impression that it was the other way around and that it was Kildare that were living off scraps in that period. Looking back we probably should have closed that match out with the amount of ball we had in the last twenty minutes but the extra time looks like it might stand to us.
The first twenty minutes against Cork are going to be vital. This is only their third game this year and it is our sixth. We should be able to get to the pitch of the game a lot quicker and hopefully they will be rusty. Get a run on them early on and maybe a goal in the first half and we're capable of turning them over. It's a big ask and I suspect we'll fall just short again but Kildare have yet to bow out tamely under McGeeney.
Really looking forward to this one. Kildare will match them physically and should have the defensive wherewithall to close down Cork's key attackers. Mayo matched Cork's physicality last year and closed up their running channels, Cork had no plan B. Cork do have some very talented players back from injury but Kildare will give them their fill of it.
Kildare v Cork Sunday Croke Park at 2 pm
Delighted with that extra recovery time vital..
Donegal v Kerry on at 4pm.
Excellent.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 29, 2012, 12:10:48 PM
But we keep getting written off as contenders, so why are we been evaluated as contenders? It's mental while the balance last year was too positive it has now swung to the opposite end of the spectrum, it's really hard outside some forums and blogs to get objective decent analysis that makes you sit up and think yea that's a valid point, there is now a severe lack of constructive criticism in the national newspapers, it's all sound bites.
I mean for example there is a myth that Kildare scored with the last kick of the game against Limerick but there was actually another minute to play and Kildare had a chance to win it in normal time and probably should have as Leper had time and space but it's painfully obvious people are analyzing that game having only see 2 minutes on the Sunday game.
Anyhow really look forward to this game, we'll bring confidence into it, will be match sharper and can match Cork physically, I personally don't see much difference between either set of forwards, I certainly don't see a Colm Cooper or Declan O'Sullivan playing for Cork. Cork though will be physically fresher and in the last 20 minutes if it's tight can see Cork edging it especially as they won't lack for belief, something that Kildare unfortunately will lack something that a win will actually give us.
We're a young side still and the optimist thinks that promotion to Division 1, a good performance in the AIQF and it won't have been a bad year especially after the SJ saga and a year in Division 1 playing the top sides could really see us push on next year..
Good post.
Interesting that you don't see much difference between both sets of forwards. I would have thought that the Cork forwards would be superior to ours but maybe I'm been taken in my all this media talk. Why do you think there isn't much of a difference?
I think if we get a run on their defence they could have problems. Their half back line are very good offensively but I thinnk they are dodgly enough when it comes to defending.
Having said that I don't think we'll have enough. Yes we're due a good game but Cork will probably just do enough win. I'd never be happier to be wrong in my life. It's gonna make for an interesting couple of weeks down here in the Southern Capital.
It's just my own opinion and they rarely post big tallies from play, when they beat Down in 2010 they only scored 7 points from play, last year against Mayo 1-4 and even Kerry this it was unremarkable 12 points. Like Kildare they have a good spread of scorers and like Kildare their midfield and half-backs chip in a lot of scores. Occasionally they will run riot but most top 8 sides can just look at Kildare against Cavan.
Cork's forwards are good players and work very well as a unit and aren't physically intimidated they do however have the edge with Paddy Kelly who is an excellent play maker and the direct running of Kerrigan and O'Neill can cause havoc. So how we set defensively will be interesting and also how they cope with O'Connor could be critical, they tend to go man to man and I've only seen O'Connor really struggle when teams double up on him and drop a sweeper just in front of him.
I think this game will be won on the sidelines and tactically will be very interesting but very excited and hoping we get a performance.
Aidan Walsh and Paddy Kelly are the men the kildare buckos should really keep there eyes on ;)......
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 29, 2012, 09:10:53 PM
It's just my own opinion and they rarely post big tallies from play, when they beat Down in 2010 they only scored 7 points from play, last year against Mayo 1-4 and even Kerry this it was unremarkable 12 points. Like Kildare they have a good spread of scorers and like Kildare their midfield and half-backs chip in a lot of scores. Occasionally they will run riot but most top 8 sides can just look at Kildare against Cavan.
Interesting stats Dinny. To beat them I think ye're gonna have to take the Mayo approach from last year and just drive at them relentlessly. However I think that match will still be fresh in their memory and they'll obviously be the fresher team. Will the break be too long though is the question. I expect a whirlwind start from them to compensate for this and get the break out of their system, good thing your backs are in form. Hope its tight (for us neutrals).
QuoteCork 2-11 Kildare 1-11
Cork had to endure a frantic finish before surviving to book their place in the All-Ireland SFC semi-final.
Manager Conor Counihan will be concerned at the manner in which his side left themselves hanging on precariously in a game they dominated for long spells.
The Munster champions led by 2-05 to 0-05 at the break, but Kildare were awarded two second half penalties, one of which was missed, and the Lilywhites, who trailed by nine points at one stage, were thwarted in their efforts to grab an equalising goal.
Kildare full-back Kevin O'Neill curbed the aerial threat of Michael Cussen in the early stages, but Cork found that it paid to persist with the booming delivery to the front line, for in John Hayes they had anther supreme ball-winner and clinical finisher.
Hayes fetched from Donnacha O'Connor's punt to drill home an exquisite 11th minute goal, and when Cussen finally got the measure of his marker to punch home a James Masters cross five minutes later, the Rebels led by 2-03 to 0-00.
On 17 minutes, Kieran McGeeney decided it was time to perform surgery on his mis-firing side with a double substitution, and by the 26th minute, he had called ashore four of his starting line-up.
Eamon Callaghan finally notched the opening Lilywhite score in the 20th minute, and as Cork allowed the tempo to slip, the Leinster men tagged on a few more points through Alan Smith, John Doyle and a superb Dermot Earley effort.
The Munster champions led by 2-05 to 0-05 at the break, and turned the screw early in the second half with delightful scores from Hayes, Pearse O'Neill and Cussen.
Kildare did have their moments, the brightest of which saw them win a 48th minute penalty when Diarmuid Duggan hauled down Alan Smith, but Ronan Sweeney's poor kick was comfortably saved by Alan Quirke.
Another goal chance was missed when Smith was sent through by James Kavanagh, but Anthony Lynch denied the corner-forward with a superb block.
They pulled back scores through Smith and Doyle, and Cork went 17 minutes without scoring, before Hayes got them back on track.
But there was to be more penalty drama at the other end when Dermot Earley was upended and Doyle netted the resultant penalty in the final minute of normal time.
Cork were subjected to a pounding in the closing moments as Kildare went for a goal that would have tied the game up, but their brave effort ended when Earley had a shot charged down.
Cork: A Quirke, D Duggan, D Kavanagh, A Lynch, B O'Regan, G Spillane, K O'Connor, P O'Neill (0-2), A O'Connor, D O'Connor, J Masters (0-1), S O'Brien, D Goulding (0-3, 1f), M Cussen (1-2), J Hayes (1-3).
Subs: M Shields for Kavanagh, J Miskella for O'Regan, Fintan Goold for D O'Connor, P Kelly for A O'Connor, N O'Leary for Duggan.
Kildare: E Murphy, M O'Flaherty, K O'Neill, A McLoughlin, E Bolton, M Foley, M Scanlon, K Brennan, D Earley (0-1), J Kavanagh, P O'Neill, E Callaghan (0-1), A Smith (0-3), K Donnelly, J Doyle (1-5, 1-0 pen, 4 f).
Subs: G White for Scanlon, D Flynn for Brennan, M Conway (0-1, f) for O'Neill, R Sweeney for Donnelly, A Rainbow for Callaghan.
Referee: P McEnaney (Monaghan).
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2008/0810/236114-cork_kildare/ (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2008/0810/236114-cork_kildare/)
15 of the 20 Kildare players used in the corresponding fixture back in 2008 still involved in the panel. 7 of those likely to start on Sunday I'd guess - Doyle, Foley, Bolton, Kavanagh, Smith, Conway and MOF.
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 29, 2012, 09:10:53 PM
It's just my own opinion and they rarely post big tallies from play, when they beat Down in 2010 they only scored 7 points from play, last year against Mayo 1-4 and even Kerry this it was unremarkable 12 points. Like Kildare they have a good spread of scorers and like Kildare their midfield and half-backs chip in a lot of scores. Occasionally they will run riot but most top 8 sides can just look at Kildare against Cavan.
Interesting stats Dinny. To beat them I think ye're gonna have to take the Mayo approach from last year and just drive at them relentlessly. However I think that match will still be fresh in their memory and they'll obviously be the fresher team. Will the break be too long though is the question. I expect a whirlwind start from them to compensate for this and get the break out of their system, good thing your backs are in form. Hope its tight (for us neutrals).
If it's tight though it will suit Cork, Loneshark posted up interesting stats in his Starbets column before the Sligo game in which showed Kildare tend to either blow you away or lose by a tight margin, they don't win tight games. Maybe the Limerick game could be the catalyst for a new Kildare.
Kildare started with high intensity on Saturday evening, if the replicate that and Cork try the same, the first 20 minutes on Sunday could be some of the best football this summer.
Kildare will run all day but lack natural forwards.
Quote from: seafoid on July 30, 2012, 05:02:44 PM
Kildare will run all day but lack natural forwards.
Galway can't run 15mins and lack any forwards. You should be more concerned about that rather than wumming Kildare, Kerry and Mayo folk.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 30, 2012, 08:44:00 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 30, 2012, 05:02:44 PM
Kildare will run all day but lack natural forwards.
Galway can't run 15mins and lack any forwards. You should be more concerned about that rather than wumming Kildare, Kerry and Mayo folk.
He's right, though.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 30, 2012, 08:44:00 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 30, 2012, 05:02:44 PM
Kildare will run all day but lack natural forwards.
Galway can't run 15mins and lack any forwards. You should be more concerned about that rather than wumming Kildare, Kerry and Mayo folk.
Sure we get on great with the Galway lads. The Kildare folk have the beano started in Ballybrit already this week with Dermot Weld, Mick Halford and the Lilywhite great himself Willie McCreeery beating all around them.
I've put together a tactical preview of the game here for anyone interested http://action81.com/blog/?p=6052
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 30, 2012, 08:44:00 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 30, 2012, 05:02:44 PM
Kildare will run all day but lack natural forwards.
Galway can't run 15mins and lack any forwards. You should be more concerned about that rather than wumming Kildare, Kerry and Mayo folk.
I seem to have a shadow
The Tyrone match "was as good as an All-Ireland" for Kerry but Kildare wouldn't say the same about Sligo.
I think Sligo Manager Kevin Walsh made some valid points about cynicism in the game afterwards. Harrisson was red carded for swinging back at Johnny Doyle.
Every game I attend, club or county, I witness corner backs pushing, shoving, goading, holding or pawing the corner forwards. I have never seen an umpire act on it until the corner forward reacts and retaliates in some form. Both players might get yellow. But the forward has been penalised unfairly and is drawn into a physical battle that negates skill and fair play.
I have seen Johnny Doyle play for Kildare a few times this year. He is getting away with murder! Every game he plays he is constantly blocking opponents runs and even dragging them down. He has a great name and I suppose it's the opposite of the old saying - 'give a dog a bad name!'......
But it's that cynicism that is ruining the game and the failure of referees, umpires and administrators to see it baffles me.
Quote from: Give and Go on July 31, 2012, 11:37:59 AM
I think Sligo Manager Kevin Walsh made some valid points about cynicism in the game afterwards. Harrisson was red carded for swinging back at Johnny Doyle.
Every game I attend, club or county, I witness corner backs pushing, shoving, goading, holding or pawing the corner forwards. I have never seen an umpire act on it until the corner forward reacts and retaliates in some form. Both players might get yellow. But the forward has been penalised unfairly and is drawn into a physical battle that negates skill and fair play.
I have seen Johnny Doyle play for Kildare a few times this year. He is getting away with murder! Every game he plays he is constantly blocking opponents runs and even dragging them down. He has a great name and I suppose it's the opposite of the old saying - 'give a dog a bad name!'......
But it's that cynicism that is ruining the game and the failure of referees, umpires and administrators to see it baffles me.
Have a look at the Munster final for to see how the Cork forwards "tackle" to stop the opposition from gathering any momentum. It's ruining the game this systematic mauling of the opposition, no other game on earth permits and rewards such cynical play.
Johnny has learned the hard way. He has been Kildare's main man throughout most of his career and has always been targeted by the opposition as the one to stop by hook or by crook. He takes a serious amount of punishment off the ball (see Donegal match last year) and its no harm to see him give a bit back - if you can't beat them, join them. I think he has got a lot cuter as he has got older, a bit like Glenn in his latter years.
Harrison was walking a tight line before the sending off and its clear that frustration just got the better of him. It was Johnny's best display this year and he covered every blade of grass. I'd say Noel O'Leary will shadow him on Sunday and that will be one of the key battles in deciding the outcome of this match. If Johnny can frustrate O'Leary it will do Kildare's chances no harm at all.
Agree with you fully Donnelly's Hollow. Great servant who def shipped his fair share of punishment - prob the reason i have been surprised by him recently. The administrators are in cuckoo land - the ills of the game would be quickly remedied without any rule changes; just open their eyes and protect players.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 31, 2012, 12:20:29 PM
Johnny has learned the hard way. He has been Kildare's main man throughout most of his career and has always been targeted by the opposition as the one to stop by hook or by crook. He takes a serious amount of punishment off the ball (see Donegal match last year) and its no harm to see him give a bit back - if you can't beat them, join them. I think he has got a lot cuter as he has got older, a bit like Glenn in his latter years.
Harrison was walking a tight line before the sending off and its clear that frustration just got the better of him. It was Johnny's best display this year and he covered every blade of grass. I'd say Noel O'Leary will shadow him on Sunday and that will be one of the key battles in deciding the outcome of this match. If Johnny can frustrate O'Leary it will do Kildare's chances no harm at all.
Doyle got plenty of "punishment" against Donegal last year but I didn't see anything untoward with any of it.
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Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 31, 2012, 12:20:29 PM
Johnny has learned the hard way. He has been Kildare's main man throughout most of his career and has always been targeted by the opposition as the one to stop by hook or by crook. He takes a serious amount of punishment off the ball (see Donegal match last year) and its no harm to see him give a bit back - if you can't beat them, join them. I think he has got a lot cuter as he has got older, a bit like Glenn in his latter years.
Harrison was walking a tight line before the sending off and its clear that frustration just got the better of him. It was Johnny's best display this year and he covered every blade of grass. I'd say Noel O'Leary will shadow him on Sunday and that will be one of the key battles in deciding the outcome of this match. If Johnny can frustrate O'Leary it will do Kildare's chances no harm at all.
Doyle got plenty of "punishment" against Donegal last year but I didn't see anything untoward with any of it.
Didn't see it with my own eyes but the rumour is that he shipped a heavy, intentional blow at the throw-in.
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Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 31, 2012, 12:20:29 PM
Johnny has learned the hard way. He has been Kildare's main man throughout most of his career and has always been targeted by the opposition as the one to stop by hook or by crook. He takes a serious amount of punishment off the ball (see Donegal match last year) and its no harm to see him give a bit back - if you can't beat them, join them. I think he has got a lot cuter as he has got older, a bit like Glenn in his latter years.
Harrison was walking a tight line before the sending off and its clear that frustration just got the better of him. It was Johnny's best display this year and he covered every blade of grass. I'd say Noel O'Leary will shadow him on Sunday and that will be one of the key battles in deciding the outcome of this match. If Johnny can frustrate O'Leary it will do Kildare's chances no harm at all.
Doyle got plenty of "punishment" against Donegal last year but I didn't see anything untoward with any of it.
He was targeted off the ball but that is par for the course in modern football and in truth the key players have been targeted by the opposition since the year dot.
Jack Higgins would tell you that it was far worse back in the day if he was still alive:
http://www.terracetalk.com/articles/Tributes/312/A-Legendary-Lilywhite--Jack-Higgins-of-Kildare (http://www.terracetalk.com/articles/Tributes/312/A-Legendary-Lilywhite--Jack-Higgins-of-Kildare)
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 31, 2012, 03:39:48 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on July 31, 2012, 03:31:32 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 31, 2012, 12:20:29 PM
Johnny has learned the hard way. He has been Kildare's main man throughout most of his career and has always been targeted by the opposition as the one to stop by hook or by crook. He takes a serious amount of punishment off the ball (see Donegal match last year) and its no harm to see him give a bit back - if you can't beat them, join them. I think he has got a lot cuter as he has got older, a bit like Glenn in his latter years.
Harrison was walking a tight line before the sending off and its clear that frustration just got the better of him. It was Johnny's best display this year and he covered every blade of grass. I'd say Noel O'Leary will shadow him on Sunday and that will be one of the key battles in deciding the outcome of this match. If Johnny can frustrate O'Leary it will do Kildare's chances no harm at all.
Doyle got plenty of "punishment" against Donegal last year but I didn't see anything untoward with any of it.
He was targeted off the ball but that is par for the course in modern football and in truth the key players have been targeted by the opposition since the year dot.
Jack Higgins would tell you that it was far worse back in the day if he was still alive:
http://www.terracetalk.com/articles/Tributes/312/A-Legendary-Lilywhite--Jack-Higgins-of-Kildare (http://www.terracetalk.com/articles/Tributes/312/A-Legendary-Lilywhite--Jack-Higgins-of-Kildare)
Who targeted him? What qualifies as a serious amount of punishment, by that I would assume that he was repeatedly taken out of it. Sounds like more of the ref beat us chat from the lillies.
mylestheslasher- had to laugh , Kildare bringing loats of colour to games...yes, the pale white colour !
Dinny- david kelly- the val andrews lookalike??
as for Kildare v Cork.
The additional games have brought kildare on a lot.
Cork will still be a bit ring rusty and now is the time to play them.
I think cork have superb forwards but often the team just breaks down and they play as individuals and are then often clueless.
If Cork are let build up a head of steam, they could win and win big.
IMO Kildare could be a lot better with changes to the existing team deployment.
Callaghan , Doyle and O'Neill are their best HF line.
Smith, Kavanagh as an inside forward line.
I'd use either EOFlagherty as he extra man coming forward, with Connor starting in midfield where apparantly his sublime distribution has been outstanding for his club this season.
Pair him alongside Flynn.
Robert Kelly in the corner and Foley back FB. The rest of the def is decent enough.
Kildare could win through.
Cork on form though would beat them by a good few points. Cork's inconsistency and rustiness give Kildare massive hope.
The AI final is the game after this one though imo.
Quote from: oakleafgael on July 31, 2012, 04:14:19 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 31, 2012, 03:39:48 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on July 31, 2012, 03:31:32 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 31, 2012, 12:20:29 PM
Johnny has learned the hard way. He has been Kildare's main man throughout most of his career and has always been targeted by the opposition as the one to stop by hook or by crook. He takes a serious amount of punishment off the ball (see Donegal match last year) and its no harm to see him give a bit back - if you can't beat them, join them. I think he has got a lot cuter as he has got older, a bit like Glenn in his latter years.
Harrison was walking a tight line before the sending off and its clear that frustration just got the better of him. It was Johnny's best display this year and he covered every blade of grass. I'd say Noel O'Leary will shadow him on Sunday and that will be one of the key battles in deciding the outcome of this match. If Johnny can frustrate O'Leary it will do Kildare's chances no harm at all.
Doyle got plenty of "punishment" against Donegal last year but I didn't see anything untoward with any of it.
He was targeted off the ball but that is par for the course in modern football and in truth the key players have been targeted by the opposition since the year dot.
Jack Higgins would tell you that it was far worse back in the day if he was still alive:
http://www.terracetalk.com/articles/Tributes/312/A-Legendary-Lilywhite--Jack-Higgins-of-Kildare (http://www.terracetalk.com/articles/Tributes/312/A-Legendary-Lilywhite--Jack-Higgins-of-Kildare)
Who targeted him? What qualifies as a serious amount of punishment, by that I would assume that he was repeatedly taken out of it. Sounds like more of the ref beat us chat from the lillies.
I think he was targeted by plenty of pulling and hitting off the ball that day but to be honest it was not much more different to what you'd see him get in most matches in recent years. Of course he's going to get targeted and Kildare have done it to key opposition players too in the past like when Brian Lacey gave the fibres of Maurice Fitzgerald's jersey a thorough testing back in 1998. My point was that I think it's good that Johnny is not afraid to give as good as he gets these days.
Where are you getting this 'the ref beat us chat from the lilies' from? I've certainly never blamed a referee for any of our recent defeats and I don't think any other Kildare posters have on here either. Sure we've had a few dodgy calls go against us, probably more than our fair share, but there'll be one big day where we might get a few in our favour. Hopefully that day might be this Sunday. As I saw it, the defeat to Donegal last year was a case of Kildare running out of steam in the second period of extra time to a fresher team. It was our fourth game in successive weekends and the players were running on fumes at the end. I hope history doesn't repeat itself this weekend because we have had a similar campaign and Cork should be fresher. The extent of the impact the Kildare substitutes have could be very important.
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Quote from: oakleafgael on July 31, 2012, 03:31:32 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 31, 2012, 12:20:29 PM
Johnny has learned the hard way. He has been Kildare's main man throughout most of his career and has always been targeted by the opposition as the one to stop by hook or by crook. He takes a serious amount of punishment off the ball (see Donegal match last year) and its no harm to see him give a bit back - if you can't beat them, join them. I think he has got a lot cuter as he has got older, a bit like Glenn in his latter years.
Harrison was walking a tight line before the sending off and its clear that frustration just got the better of him. It was Johnny's best display this year and he covered every blade of grass. I'd say Noel O'Leary will shadow him on Sunday and that will be one of the key battles in deciding the outcome of this match. If Johnny can frustrate O'Leary it will do Kildare's chances no harm at all.
Doyle got plenty of "punishment" against Donegal last year but I didn't see anything untoward with any of it.
Didn't see it with my own eyes but the rumour is that he shipped a heavy, intentional blow at the throw-in.
You should know better than to believe in rumours. At the throw in Michael Hegarty and Doyle clashed - it was a perfectly accidental coming together and it can be see in the TV footage of the match (I have a copy of it if you would like to watch it again ;) ). Hegarty ended up going off injured because of it while Doyle seemed to get a dead leg. It is as legitimate to say that Doyle targeted Hegarty as it is to say that Doyle was targeted. Both are complete lies.
Quote from: camanchero on July 31, 2012, 04:26:57 PM
mylestheslasher- had to laugh , Kildare bringing loats of colour to games...yes, the pale white colour !
Dinny- david kelly- the val andrews lookalike??
as for Kildare v Cork.
The additional games have brought kildare on a lot.
Cork will still be a bit ring rusty and now is the time to play them.
I think cork have superb forwards but often the team just breaks down and they play as individuals and are then often clueless.
If Cork are let build up a head of steam, they could win and win big.
IMO Kildare could be a lot better with changes to the existing team deployment.
Callaghan , Doyle and O'Neill are their best HF line.
Smith, Kavanagh as an inside forward line.
I'd use either EOFlagherty as he extra man coming forward, with Connor starting in midfield where apparantly his sublime distribution has been outstanding for his club this season.
Pair him alongside Flynn.
Robert Kelly in the corner and Foley back FB. The rest of the def is decent enough.
Kildare could win through.
Cork on form though would beat them by a good few points. Cork's inconsistency and rustiness give Kildare massive hope.
The AI final is the game after this one though imo.
Flynn played county league for Moorefield last Sunday and it's very surprising that he has not featured in recent games. I don't know whether he has been injured or not but both Earley and White have been brought on ahead of him at midfield. Foley has been outstanding there the last two weekends in fairness to him but the Cork pairing will be in a different parish to Sligo, Limerick and Cavan.
I'd agree with most of the rest but I don't think McGeeney fancies O'Connor as a midfielder for whatever reason. I wouldn't be leaving Conway out for O'Neill though. For all that Paudie brings a lot of in terms of physicality and workrate, he lacks Conway's ability to link the play around the middle. Conway's freetaking from the right hand side of the field has also been a very good addition this year.
Quote from: RMDrive on July 31, 2012, 04:44:10 PM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on July 31, 2012, 03:37:20 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on July 31, 2012, 03:31:32 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 31, 2012, 12:20:29 PM
Johnny has learned the hard way. He has been Kildare's main man throughout most of his career and has always been targeted by the opposition as the one to stop by hook or by crook. He takes a serious amount of punishment off the ball (see Donegal match last year) and its no harm to see him give a bit back - if you can't beat them, join them. I think he has got a lot cuter as he has got older, a bit like Glenn in his latter years.
Harrison was walking a tight line before the sending off and its clear that frustration just got the better of him. It was Johnny's best display this year and he covered every blade of grass. I'd say Noel O'Leary will shadow him on Sunday and that will be one of the key battles in deciding the outcome of this match. If Johnny can frustrate O'Leary it will do Kildare's chances no harm at all.
Doyle got plenty of "punishment" against Donegal last year but I didn't see anything untoward with any of it.
Didn't see it with my own eyes but the rumour is that he shipped a heavy, intentional blow at the throw-in.
You should know better than to believe in rumours. At the throw in Michael Hegarty and Doyle clashed - it was a perfectly accidental coming together and it can be see in the TV footage of the match (I have a copy of it if you would like to watch it again ;) ). Hegarty ended up going off injured because of it while Doyle seemed to get a dead leg. It is as legitimate to say that Doyle targeted Hegarty as it is to say that Doyle was targeted. Both are complete lies.
Have to take your word for it. Mind you an 'accidental coming together at a throw-in' is hard to envisage. But like I say, I didn't see it, so apologies if I'm wrong and I accept Donegal won fair and square.
In response to the other poster alluding to sour grapes that wasn't what I was saying at all. I'm sure that Kildare aren't always angels off the ball either.
The views of the Eadestown man:
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Lilies no big-game bottlers -- Tompkins
'Top-four' jibe unfair on luckless Kildare who must halt Cork full-forward line
By Frank Roche
Thursday August 02 2012
FOR an incredible five years running, Kildare have been qualifier kings but without a throne to call their own. Hence the damning statistic most frequently levelled in their direction -- how can a team claim to be genuine All-Ireland contenders when they have never beaten a 'top-four' rival in summer combat?
To keep the dream alive, they must buck that trend on Sunday. Cork, most assuredly, qualify as the type of elite opposition they have singularly failed to beat in previous All-Ireland series ... including 2008, at the start of the Kieran McGeeney era, when Cork prevailed despite a valiant late Lilywhite charge.
But Larry Tompkins -- the greatest Kildare footballer of the modern era, albeit one whose legend was enshrined in the rebel red of Cork -- believes this 'top-four' jibe is a totally unfair assessment of his native county.
Tompkins knows a thing or two about All-Ireland credentials, having won a brace of medals as a Cork player and later managing his adopted county to the 1999 decider, where they lost to Meath.
He insists All-Ireland destiny can be shaped to a large degree by luck, a quality Kildare have singularly lacked during their last two assaults on Sam.
Benny Coulter's 'square ball' goal for Down in 2010; Rob Kelly's last-gasp thunderbolt deflected onto the crossbar during the same game; Tomas O'Connor's wrongly disallowed goal against Donegal last summer ... all examples of how fortune hasn't followed the Lilies from the back door into the All-Ireland series.
"I wouldn't agree with that statement that they have fallen short against the big teams. If Dublin didn't win the All-Ireland last year, you'd be saying the exact same thing about Dublin," Tompkins told the Evening Herald.
"I firmly believe you need to get the rub of the green. In fairness, last year against Donegal, they had no rub of the green. The year before certainly, they had none against Down -- that would have bounced them into the final.
"I know people say you make these things happen, but those decisions at vital stages for Kildare were crucial scores," he points out.
Instead, he feels McGeeney's men should accentuate the positive lessons of these previous campaigns.
"I'm sure if I was over Kildare, I'd be drilling that into them -- 'we shouldn't be afraid of any team. We are quite capable of beating any team.' Knowing Kildare, when the expectation is a little lower and they are going in as underdogs, that is when they are at their most dangerous," he suggests.
Speaking of dangerous, Tompkins pinpoints the key quarter-final battleground between Cork's inside forwards and the Kildare full-back line.
For what it's worth, the Cork playmaker-turned-publican reckons his good friend Conor Counihan should recall Daniel Goulding alongside Colm O'Neill and Donncha O'Connor on the grounds that Goulding is "too valuable" to leave off.
"If Kildare don't adequately hold those three fellas, then they are going nowhere. Cork get three-quarters of their scores or more from in there. That is where Kildare have to be at their tightest," he warns.
On the flip side, he spies grounds for Lilywhite optimism in the number of recent goal chances coughed up by Cork, a vulnerability masked by two clean sheets in Munster.
"Cork haven't conceded that many goals this year, but watching them against Kerry and Clare, it was the luck of God that they didn't," says Tompkins.
"Their half-back line can be a little bit loose. Hopefully Eoin Cadogan will be okay (in the full-back line); he'd be a massive loss if he's not right."
If Cork's defensive Plan A doesn't work, Tompkins wonders aloud whether back-up options such as Eoghan Cotter, Sean Kiely and Denis O'Sullivan have been tested sufficiently on the big stage.
"On the other side, Kildare haven't been really finding the back of the net," he adds. "And Kildare will have to find the net at least once, if not twice. Cork will probably score enough ... it's up to whether Kildare can find the net."
Kildare football's most famous export is coy when it comes to definitive predictions -- and maybe with good reason given his powerful allegiances to both camps. At 90, his father Martin is still bright as a button and a keen follower of the game, plus he has many siblings still living in Kildare -- countering that you have the "great times" he has enjoyed on Leeside.
"I'm looking forward to the game!" he laughs when asked for a one-word verdict.
"Cork are the team to beat. Kildare have all the motivation -- Cork have won an All-Ireland, Kildare are trying to get to that pitch."
Incentive aside, the underdogs have other advantages.
"They are like Dublin in that Croke Park is nearly a home venue for them. It's only down the road in comparison to Cork ... Kildare will have a vast crowd there compared to Cork," Tompkins points out.
"This is a big game for them. Are they capable of going on and being contenders, big time, for the All-Ireland?
"Up to now, the year has been a bit disappointing. The build-up to the Leinster championship would have been strong, but the way they went out (against Meath) was very disappointing to the Kildare people.
"They have got redemption again through the back door, but with in-and-out performances. This is the game they want," he adds.
"I am sure, if you were playing with Kildare, you'd be saying, 'Great -- we are back in Croke Park, playing against one of the best teams, and what better way to see where we're at.'"
By half-three on Sunday, we'll all know the answer.
- Frank Roche
http://www.herald.ie/opinion/columnists/frank-roche/lilies-no-biggame-bottlers-tompkins-3188282.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.herald.ie/opinion/columnists/frank-roche/lilies-no-biggame-bottlers-tompkins-3188282.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)
QuoteKildare will have a vast crowd there compared to Cork," Tompkins points out.
This might still be true if they played it in Cork!
Anyone else going up?
The Cork Senior Football team to play Kildare in the All-Ireland SFC Quarter-Final on Sunday at 2pm in Croke Park will line out as follows:-
1. Alan Quirke
Valley Rovers
2. Ray Carey 3. Michael Shields 4. Eoin Cadogan
Clyda Rovers St. Finbarrs Douglas
5. Paudie Kissane 6. Graham Canty 7. Noel O'Leary
Clyda Rovers Bantry Blues Cill na Martra
8. Alan O'Connor 9. Aidan Walsh
St. Colum's Kanturk
10. Fintan Goold 11. Ciaran Sheehan 12. Paul Kerrigan
Macroom Eire Og Nemo Rangers
13. Colm O'Neill 14. Donncha O'Connor 15. Nicholas Murphy
Ballyclough Ballydesmond Carrigaline
Cill Dara (v Corcaigh)
1. Shane Connolly (St Laurences)
2. Ollie Lyons (Celbridge)
3. Peter Kelly (Two Mile House)
4. Hugh McGrillen (Celbridge)
5. Emmet Bolton (Eadestown)
6. Morgan O'Flaherty (Carbury)
7. Eoin Doyle (Naas)
8. Mick Foley (Athy)
9. Rob Kelly (Straffan)
10. Eoghan O'Flaherty (Carbury)
11. Mikey Conway (Nurney)
12. Alan Smith (Sarsfields)
13. Johnny Doyle (Allenwood)
14. Tomás O'Connor (Clane)
15. James Kavanagh (Ballymore)
Same 15 named again. Whether they line out as selected is anyone's guess.
No Paddy Kelly, is he injured?
I haven't seen anyone talking about Cork doing de double. Or is it just a bit too early for that ?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 02, 2012, 11:33:34 PM
No Paddy Kelly, is he injured?
Took a full part in training during the week and looked fine apparently. So he is either being kept in reserve or that is a dummy team? I hope it is the latter.
Dummy teams?
We have the hoors rattled.
You'd never catch Kildare at that sort of craic!
Any chance of Johnston starting for Kildare to possibly enhance their forward line from the beginning?
Quote from: eviemonkey on August 03, 2012, 12:12:26 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 02, 2012, 11:33:34 PM
No Paddy Kelly, is he injured?
Took a full part in training during the week and looked fine apparently. So he is either being kept in reserve or that is a dummy team? I hope it is the latter.
It would be madness of Counihan to drop him. After the Kerry game I thought he'd have a shout at footballer of the year if Cork won Sam.
Quote from: CornerBackNo2 on August 03, 2012, 02:16:36 AM
Any chance of Johnston starting for Kildare to possibly enhance their forward line from the beginning?
I doubt it. Kildare's forward line is not as bad as people make out.
Acid test Sunday, of course, but I'd be more worried about our midfield.
'Acid test Sunday, of course, but I'd be more worried about our midfield.'
Big time. Foley/Kelly have plugged a hole for us against moderate teams. We are going to be under the cosh on every sinle kickout on Sunday. I can see Flynn getting the nod before half tiem, hoping Leper starts as well.
Midfield isn't just about two players its' about the middle 8 and hard they work to win breaking ball, shutdown channels and make runs to create space. I'm happy in that Kelly has upped his work-rate is now tracking back just as well as he is coming forward and Foley is just a superb player and if plays well Sunday I can see him been nominated for a midfield All-Star, not bad for All-Star full-back.
My concern is how Kildare will cope with the direct running threat that Cork pose, O'Neill, Kerrigan, Kelly and Walsh are all very good at it and MOF hasn't looking as convincing this year at centre-half back and Kelly at fullback tends to get dragged around a fair bit. I think we will give up goal opportunities.
Can't make up my mind on this one - Haven't really been impressed by Kildare yet Cork have only had one game in months so I'd wonder if they are a bit ring rusty.
Rebels to shade it I think
I just hope we play with the same hunger and intensity that we showed against Sligo. It was the first time all year that we tore into a team from the start and the pressure we put on the opposition from the full-forward line back was heartening because it certainly wasn't evident against Meath and to a lesser extent against Limerick.
Mayo hit Cork hard early and often last year and they didn't like it. They had injuries that day and it will be fresh in their minds but it is still the blueprint to beat them. Bottle up and frustrate their runners and then attack from deep with pace - Bolton, Lyons, Doyle and McGrillen are important in this regard. Hopefully we can get a good twenty minutes out of Leper and that we'll still be well in the game at that point. Our use of O'Connor last weekend was quite sensible and he could have some joy against this Cork defence. His strength and power could cause Shields problems and he'd have the legs on Canty. I have a feeling they'll try Cadogan on him. Obviously Cork are a far better team than Sligo so I hope the other Kildare players don't revert to type out the field and start raining hopeful garryowens down on top of him again because plan a has to be running and getting that Cork half back line turned and going backwards towards their own goal.
It's a big ask and Kildare have not played well this year. On all known form Cork should be winning this by 5 or 6 points. I don't know why because it defies logic but I'm actually hopeful enough heading up on Sunday. Kildare have yet to exit the championship tamely at this stage and it wouldn't be a major surprise to see the big performance come when they've been written off and after all the upheavel all year. Mick Foley is going to have to continue his excellent form and hopefully Smithy and Jimmers will show what they're capable of on the big stage. Feck it, Kildare by 2!
Hope Kildare do it Sunday. I'm not sure ye have enough quality to win it outright but I'd like to see you win it if we can't
Quote from: heffo on August 03, 2012, 11:29:22 AM
Hope Kildare do it Sunday. I'm not sure ye have enough quality to win it outright but I'd like to see you win it if we can't
You won't be saying that when you see Kildare's newest import introduced off the bench on Sunday:
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Corks superior forward line to count and they will win this by 5 or 6 points.
I doubt it. Kildare's forward line is not as bad as people make out.
Acid test Sunday, of course, but I'd be more worried about our midfield.
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yes but am I the only one disappointed at not seeing more of young fogarty... I thought he'd done enough to play himself into contention to be honest but he has hardly had a look in.
Quote from: del_carroll on August 03, 2012, 01:22:18 PM
I doubt it. Kildare's forward line is not as bad as people make out.
Acid test Sunday, of course, but I'd be more worried about our midfield.
yes but am I the only one disappointed at not seeing more of young fogarty... I thought he'd done enough to play himself into contention to be honest but he has hardly had a look in.
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I don't agree. Don't think Fogarty is ready: maybe in the next few years but some people are talking about him like the second coming of the Gooch on the basis of a good cameo against Tyrone and I don't rate him as highly as that tbh.
The closer this match gets, the less confident I am. Looking at the teams on paper, we'd do well to break even at midfield. I think Cork are just a better team than Kildare, even though I think this is a very gutsy Kildare team and there'll be very little in it at the finish.
Completely irrelevant point but I think it's worth mentioning. From the 30 players named from Cork and Kildare there are 27 different clubs represented. Astonishing.
Fogarty is a great talent but he's still quite raw and inconsistent at this level. I think Larries would have gone very close to winning the county championship last year had he not gotten himself suspended because he was in sparkling form back then. I'd have hoped to have seen more of him in the league but he only started one match.
Fionn Dowling is probably the best young forward in the county right now but he missed most of the early part of the year through injury and has been playing catch up since. He has been togged out for the last few matches. It might not do him any harm in the long run to have missed most of this year because he will have filled out a bit in the meantime and he will hopefully be an important player next year.
QuoteI'd have hoped to have seen more of him in the league but he only started one match.
He actually started last week against Towers, came off just after h/t. Has that look of class about him even though him and every other player playing didn't want to be there.
Dowling will be a good un', really unlucky with injuries, we have some really young footballers coming through who have been exposed to the kind of environment that is needed just to compete at this level, augers well and should keep us in the shake up for August most years hopefully.
Dunno lads think both Fogarty and Dowling might eventually make decent inter-county footballers but I've seen nothing from them at underage to suggest either would make a huge difference to the team. Like, if you're going to be a top, top class inter-county footballer, you'd want to be shooting the lights out at underage.
For example, Eoghan O'Flaherty and Alan Smith were outstanding U21s on a national scale - and yet both have had their problems adapting at senior. Not to knock them, but Fogarty and Dowling didn't stand out to me that much at minor or U21 and have a hell of a long way to go to even be in the O'Flaherty/Smith class.
De Paper promising a big interview with another subject of a Kildare transfer controversy tomorrow.
Taster given today.
Tompkins opens up on Seanie Johnston affair
By Kieran Shannon
Friday, August 03, 2012
Larry Tompkins says he is undecided whether Seanie Johnston's transfer to Kildare was for valid reasons, saying it would be incomprehensible to him that someone would leave his home club just to play county football elsewhere.
Tompkins was involved in a high-profile case 25 years ago when he sought an inter-county transfer from his native Kildare to Cork to free him up to play for Castlehaven.
But Tompkins worked as well as lived in West Cork upon returning to Ireland from New York to play with Castlehaven, whereas there have been question marks about what connection Johnston, who still teaches in his native Cavan, has with Kildare beyond having a postal address in Straffan.
"For me the biggest move in all this was him leaving his club. It takes a lot to leave your buddies. You grow up in a place, you're friends, go to school, work and live with those people; those are the best people in your life. There must have been a genuine reason that he left them to go play in Kildare. But if he left his club just to play football for another county he has no connection with, I cannot relate to that mentality and it (the transfer) shouldn't have happened," says Tompkins.
"We don't know enough (about this case). People say he has no connection with Kildare, but how do we know he doesn't? Maybe he's going out with someone from Kildare. Maybe he wants to get a job in Kildare but right now there isn't work in Kildare in his job. You'll just have to gauge it over the next year or two and see what happens. If he has a valid connection with the place, there should be no one blocking the transfer and it was only right that it went through. But if he doesn't...
"If his heart wasn't in his own club in Cavan [Gaels] then I would have doubts about how genuine the transfer is. But again, we don't know enough."
In tomorrow's Examiner Big Interview, Tompkins recalls how his own transfer came about, beginning with a dispute with the Kildare County Board that would see him return to New York where a couple of teammates persuaded him to come work and live in their home place of Castlehaven and help them win their first ever county championship. Weeks after leaving the metropolis of New York, he found himself working as carpenter building a house on Sherkin Island.
"It was supposed to be only for a few months. Playing for Cork never came into the equation. It had nothing to do with Cork. It was all about Castlehaven at the start and Castlehaven could have been in Carlow or Timbuktu."
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/tompkins-opens-up-on-seanie-johnston-affair-202965.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/tompkins-opens-up-on-seanie-johnston-affair-202965.html)
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on August 03, 2012, 05:11:34 PM
Dunno lads think both Fogarty and Dowling might eventually make decent inter-county footballers but I've seen nothing from them at underage to suggest either would make a huge difference to the team. Like, if you're going to be a top, top class inter-county footballer, you'd want to be shooting the lights out at underage.
For example, Eoghan O'Flaherty and Alan Smith were outstanding U21s on a national scale - and yet both have had their problems adapting at senior. Not to knock them, but Fogarty and Dowling didn't stand out to me that much at minor or U21 and have a hell of a long way to go to even be in the O'Flaherty/Smith class.
They both have another year left at u21 so it's probably unfair to judge them either way yet. I think they have what it takes both physically and skills wise but some underage lads build on their promise and others fall away. I mean Johnny never really stood out hugely at underage level and he has consistently been one of the finest forwards in the country for over ten years. Look then at someone like Tommy Archibald who was a star forward on a Leinster winning u21 team when still a minor, he only ended up playing a handful of games for Kildare down the years after being plagued by injuries.
Fogarty showed plenty at minor scoring great goals against Dublin two years in a row and I think Dowling showed enough promise with the seniors last year to suggest he has a future. Hopefully they get a good run at it next year and cut their teeth against Div 1 defences.
This is a great opportunity for both sides to run the rule over each others best players.
Oul' Larry of all people should be keeping his trap shut about inter-county transfers. Time doesn't add dignity to everything.
Careful Syfer and read the Article.
He moved from NY to Castlehaven to work and joined the local club.
Everyone knows the metrics that affair, it's been dragged up enough with the SJ circus this year. He still left his middle-tier home county for an All-Ireland challenging county. 17 of our own panel have to trek back from Dublin multiple times a week so to blame the Tompions affair on distance alone would be a simplification.
Syfer Larry had got totally pissed off with Kildare over the way they treated his expenses as he was working for over a year in NY. Kildare refused to pay the second half of his return Air fare from NY so he packed them in.
He was playing with and working with some Cork lads from Castlehaven while in NY and they got him to come home to work there and joined the local club.
From that he got on the Cork panel and the rest is history.
Did a little match preview here if anyone's interested:
http://www.livegaelic.com/news/cork-vs-kildare-football-quarter-final-preview-2012/
Nothing there this evening that will worry us come September.
As for tomorrow, sure it's only a matter of togging out.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 04, 2012, 11:17:19 PM
Nothing there this evening that will worry us come September.
As for tomorrow, sure it's only a matter of togging out.
That's the spirit, hon Kildare....
anyone any streams for this?
Quote from: Square Ball on August 05, 2012, 12:44:15 PM
anyone any streams for this?
+1
Us Nordies have no way of seeing the game legally!!
Quote from: screenexile on August 05, 2012, 01:35:59 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on August 05, 2012, 12:44:15 PM
anyone any streams for this?
+1
Us Nordies have no way of seeing the game legally!!
+2
Don't give us any instructions to mess about with proxy settings - tried it three times this summer and hasn't worked once for tv3 - the video just doesnt come up.
Just a stream on some website please.
Anyone post a stream for game please?!
Cant get TV3
i would like a stream also
Kerrigan took a lot of steps in the run in to that goal...
McQuillan giving Cork a few soft frees here
Sitting here in Fermanagh with crystal clear TV3 picture.
Is there a new rule that Cork are allowed 10 steps??
Quote from: Gold on August 05, 2012, 01:43:10 PM
Anyone post a stream for game please?!
Cant get TV3
http://www.sportlemon.tv/v-4/2/128/v-432926.html
Game over after 18 mins?
Kildare don't score heavily enough to come back into this...
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 05, 2012, 02:16:09 PM
McQuillan giving Cork a few soft frees in the last 10mins
Perfect man for this match, great to see a Cavan man doing well in croke park.
2-5 to 0-1 in last 13/14 mins
Quote from: AhJaysusRef on August 05, 2012, 01:58:11 PM
i would like a stream also
You could try this -:
http://www.vipbox.tv/watch/65642/1/gaa-:-cork-vs-kildare--live-stream-online.html
Anyone would think mcquillan was bias against kildare, fcking disgraceful decisions against kildare between 5 and 15 mins. Good selection by gaa that ::)
Quote from: Halfquarter on August 05, 2012, 02:21:42 PM
Quote from: AhJaysusRef on August 05, 2012, 01:58:11 PM
i would like a stream also
You could try this -:
http://www.vipbox.tv/watch/65642/1/gaa-:-cork-vs-kildare--live-stream-online.html
wont work for me, dont seem to be missing much
Kildare dominating possession now and getting a few scores on the board.
Are Cork going to do same as this stage last year v Mayo - start off in a blaze of scoring, and then get completely dominated for the rest of match?
They'll hardly allow that to happen again.
Good fight back by Kildare. 5 pts on the bounce
Very good game. full-blooded affair. Kildare have the balls for the fight.
This reminds me of Cork/Mayo Quarter final last year. Cork went 1-04 to 0-01 up after a couple of minutes and completely died after that!
Quote from: Square Ball on August 05, 2012, 02:30:02 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on August 05, 2012, 02:21:42 PM
Quote from: AhJaysusRef on August 05, 2012, 01:58:11 PM
i would like a stream also
You could try this -:
http://www.vipbox.tv/watch/65642/1/gaa-:-cork-vs-kildare--live-stream-online.html
wont work for me, dont seem to be missing much
Should have worked ,this one is working for me also.-:
http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/133978/1/watch-gaa-ireland-senior-championship:-cork-vs-kildare-.html
Kildare the better team, have more scores, dominated last 15 minutes of the half.
Cork will need to make some changes, losing midfield badly. If they don't they'll see their lead gone inside another 15 minutes.
Quote from: Collins on August 05, 2012, 02:44:03 PM
Kildare the better team, have more scores, dominated last 15 minutes of the half.
Cork will need to make some changes, losing midfield badly. If they don't they'll see their lead gone inside another 15 minutes.
cheers, working now
cork acting the bully-boys again...
The Pick up leading to the Cork goal was legal and not a free. The Cork full back ran into Tomas o connors back and knocked him over. It should have been a penalty.
Don't believe this, the sky has gone as black as night and there's no satellite signal. What's the score now?
Quote from: Capt Pat on August 05, 2012, 02:58:46 PM
The Pick up leading to the Cork goal was legal and not a free. The Cork full back ran into Tomas o connors back and knocked him over. It should have been a penalty.
And the line ball which led to the second goal looked to have called wrong too
McQuillan and the ginger linesman shouldn't be in positions of authority.
Cork gone back to their running game, have got a grip at midfield and all of a sudden their back to their dominant best.
Opened up Kildare twice for 2 clear one on ones, both resulted in no goal (a 45 and a point)
7 in it
8 in it and red card for Kildare
Some athlete Aidan Walsh.
Cork looking fairly impressive now. Swatting Kildare aside.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on August 05, 2012, 03:05:32 PM
McQuillan and the ginger linesman shouldn't be in positions of authority.
Mcquillan doing a fine job, what are you on about.
Has the feel of yesterdays first game now! I don't think Geezer should have brought Seanie J in. Cork bullied it when they had to.
What's the f**king score????
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 05, 2012, 03:14:06 PM
Has the feel of yesterdays first game now! I don't think Geezer should have brought Seanie J in. Cork bullied it when they had to.
That's a bit harsh sure he is right to give fringe players a run out.
2.15 to 0.08 at 60 mins
Watching Cork hand Kildare their arxes is giving me a weird sort of pleasure.. 2-15 to 0-9
Thanks lads, signal back now. Wtf happened?
Cavan folks' best day in Croke for many a year!
At least we can take some source of comfort from the fact that we weren't the only team that got humbled at headquarters this weekend...
Didnt envisage kildare (or any team of kieran mcgeeneys) crumbling like this...
4 heavyweights (whoever comes out of the donegal v kerry bout) in the last 4 anyway...
Perhaps Armag could have kept their counsel on the managers job for a few weeks? ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 05, 2012, 03:26:21 PM
Cavan folks' best day in Croke for many a year!
I'd say Seanie J. will wake up tomorrow morning thinking to himself that all the hastle was worth it. Actually, the Geezer will probably have the same thoughts.
Kildare as we thought over rated by the media (Not the kildare punter). Not top 4!
Ah sure..... Thought we had em there for a while :-\
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 05, 2012, 03:49:08 PM
Ah sure..... Thought we had em there for a while :-\
Your a sound skin Donnelly and you called the SJ affair right and I'm sorry for you that this whole mess blackened Kildare's name within the gaa. However, I'm happy ye lost and I hope ye have the sense to get rid of mcgeeney now. SJ might find he's not wanted anywhere next year.
I just don't get the hype with McGeeney and Kildare. They have won nothing despite all their huffing a puffing and have always come up well short at the business end of the season. Kildare certainly aren't getting value for money.
Cork are impressive when they move at pace. It'll take some team to beat them
Quote from: Declan on August 05, 2012, 04:37:55 PM
Cork are impressive when they move at pace. It'll take some team to beat them
Cork v Donegal will be a hell of a game.
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 05, 2012, 05:28:58 PM
Quote from: Declan on August 05, 2012, 04:37:55 PM
Cork are impressive when they move at pace. It'll take some team to beat them
Cork v Donegal will be a hell of a game.
They both should have enough to beat Dublin in the final.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 05, 2012, 05:31:13 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 05, 2012, 05:28:58 PM
Quote from: Declan on August 05, 2012, 04:37:55 PM
Cork are impressive when they move at pace. It'll take some team to beat them
Cork v Donegal will be a hell of a game.
They both should have enough to beat Dublin in the final.
I think Mayo will beat the Dubs
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 05, 2012, 05:32:52 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 05, 2012, 05:31:13 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 05, 2012, 05:28:58 PM
Quote from: Declan on August 05, 2012, 04:37:55 PM
Cork are impressive when they move at pace. It'll take some team to beat them
Cork v Donegal will be a hell of a game.
They both should have enough to beat Dublin in the final.
I think Mayo will beat the Dubs
Enough about the league match earlier in the year, this is the championship sure.
Seanie Johnston should stick to the hurling
Quote from: All of a Sludden on August 05, 2012, 04:10:46 PM
I just don't get the hype with McGeeney and Kildare. They have won nothing despite all their huffing a puffing and have always come up well short at the business end of the season. Kildare certainly aren't getting value for money.
Mc geeney must be under pressure given the level of investment in him and the various coaches,
Only a division 2 trophy which is on a Par With paddy o rourke,
Surely Glenn Ryan must have his supporters in the county .
Amusing to see the knife been stuck in after the fact.
Kildare supporters have no ludicrous sense of entitlement, we do believe we should be contesting Leinster finals every few years and that would be the extent of our realistic ambitions, we will always dream of winning an All-Ireland and without that dream we would be lesser people.
It use to be that the coming through the qualifiers was an advantage, we came back at Cork once but we couldn't do it a second time as we were just dead on our feet with 20 to go.
Cork are a machine in flow, superb footballers and their movement and creation of space was fantastic to watch.
It will take a good team to beat Cork and I don't see it happening this year, best of luck to the remaining teams.
As for Kildare team, thanks for the effort and commitment, people forget that it takes a serious effort to get promoted out of Division 2 and with the circus coming to town early it was always going to be hard to maintain it our momentum.
We have a young side and Division 1 will really bring them on, so as is the Kildare motto in August, there is always next year....
Delighted and pleasantly surprised with that performance to be honest. Cork were lucky to take a three point lead into the interval as the two goals were fortunate enough. Was worried at half time but the bout of handbags at the start of the second half seemed to focus the team and we pushed on from there. The defense was excellent, with Canty and Kissane excelling. Aidan Walsh was outstanding. He made one or two sloppy turnovers at the end of the first half but he was totally dominant in the second period.
Goold had a fine game today, picking up plenty of broken ball and pushing the team forward. Kelly and Pearse O'Neill made a big difference when introduced from the bench. Colm O'Neill has talent but was lazy enough and needs to work harder. The Nicholas Murphy at full forward experiment isn't working and needs to be dispensed into the Plan B folder. Goulding offered more with his first touch than Murphy did for 41 minutes.
Kildare ran out of steam in the second half. Their ability to break into the top echelon of counties will ultimately depend on the younger players they have coming through, particularly forwards like Dowling and Fogarty. Competing the top division can only be a benefit in the long-term.
I've put together a tactical analysis piece on this game for anyone interested here http://action81.com/blog/?p=6109
I suspected after the Meath game that things may have gone a bit stale and McGeeney's voice doesn't resonate as much after 5 years. I think yesterday proved that to be the case. It's the first time that Kildare have bowed out tamely since 2007 which is the most disappointing thing but there is no shame in losing to that Cork team. Hard to know whether he'll give it another year or not. Whoever is over Kildare next year needs to do the following IMO:
- Convince Doyle and Earley to give it another year. They might not be the forces of old but their voices are needed in the dressing room.
- Appoint a new attacking coach. I know Carew does most of the work with the forwards but for whatever reason they appear disjointed whenever they come up against a good defence. Maybe that's down to a lack of quality but I think we need some fresh ideas and a fresh approach in this department.
- Make every effort to get Kevin Feely on board. This may be unrealistic given his soccer commitments but if he's able to tog out for Athy and for the Kildare u21s then surely he can be facilitated as regards training and so on. It would be great to have Paul Cribbin available too but I'm not sure what the story is regarding him and whether he'll make it in Aussie Rules.
- Come to an arrangement with the clubs regarding the availability of county players. I think the county players need to have more time away from the county setup. I cannot be healthy for them to be so insular and they must be sick of the sight of each other at this stage. Get them playing more club football. It will help the fringe players who do not see enough action as it is and it will help recharge the batteries and keep things fresh.
- Give the likes of Fogarty, Dowling and Eoin Doyle a good run at it in the National League next year. It's clear that a fresh injection of youth is needed and there's no better place than Div 1 to blood these young players. I'd hope to see Seán Hurley and Conor Brophy back on the panel too as they are the sort of players Kildare can ill afford to let drift away. We know what lads like McLoughlin, Scanlon, Ennis, Roli and Tommy O'Neill are capable of and we need to find out whether these young lads can cut it at the highest level. Even if we were to get relegated, I think we would be in a stronger position facing into the future if these lads are bedded into the team by the start of the championship next year.
- Lose the siege mentality. It's self defeating and only provides an easy excuse when we're beaten, i.e. everyone's against us, referees, media etc.
- If there is any lingering resentment or bitterness regarding Johnston from within the panel then he has to be cut loose. I'd say everyone in Kildare has heard the rumours at this stage and who knows whether they are all true or whether they are all complete bullshit. It's clear though that the whole saga and the media circus it generated cannot have been helpful to the team's preparations this year.
I think the Airtricity league being played during the summer would probaly have ruled Feely out of playing with Kildare seniors this year. It starts around mid March and run into November. I think this is his first year with Bohs? He played with Kildare u21's, maybe there was some agreement with Bohemians as the u21 campaign finishes in the beginning of May.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 06, 2012, 10:10:37 AM
I suspected after the Meath game that things may have gone a bit stale and McGeeney's voice doesn't resonate as much after 5 years. I think yesterday proved that to be the case. It's the first time that Kildare have bowed out tamely since 2007 which is the most disappointing thing but there is no shame in losing to that Cork team. Hard to know whether he'll give it another year or not. Whoever is over Kildare next year needs to do the following IMO:
- Convince Doyle and Earley to give it another year. They might not be the forces of old but their voices are needed in the dressing room.
- Appoint a new attacking coach. I know Carew does most of the work with the forwards but for whatever reason they appear disjointed whenever they come up against a good defence. Maybe that's down to a lack of quality but I think we need some fresh ideas and a fresh approach in this department.
- Make every effort to get Kevin Feely on board. This may be unrealistic given his soccer commitments but if he's able to tog out for Athy and for the Kildare u21s then surely he can be facilitated as regards training and so on. It would be great to have Paul Cribbin available too but I'm not sure what the story is regarding him and whether he'll make it in Aussie Rules.
- Come to an arrangement with the clubs regarding the availability of county players. I think the county players need to have more time away from the county setup. I cannot be healthy for them to be so insular and they must be sick of the sight of each other at this stage. Get them playing more club football. It will help the fringe players who do not see enough action as it is and it will help recharge the batteries and keep things fresh.
- Give the likes of Fogarty, Dowling and Eoin Doyle a good run at it in the National League next year. It's clear that a fresh injection of youth is needed and there's no better place than Div 1 to blood these young players. I'd hope to see Seán Hurley and Conor Brophy back on the panel too as they are the sort of players Kildare can ill afford to let drift away. We know what lads like McLoughlin, Scanlon, Ennis, Roli and Tommy O'Neill are capable of and we need to find out whether these young lads can cut it at the highest level. Even if we were to get relegated, I think we would be in a stronger position facing into the future if these lads are bedded into the team by the start of the championship next year.
- Lose the siege mentality. It's self defeating and only provides an easy excuse when we're beaten, i.e. everyone's against us, referees, media etc.
- If there is any lingering resentment or bitterness regarding Johnston from within the panel then he has to be cut loose. I'd say everyone in Kildare has heard the rumours at this stage and who knows whether they are all true or whether they are all complete bullshit. It's clear though that the whole saga and the media circus it generated cannot have been helpful to the team's preparations this year.
If McGeeney stays on I wonder if he'll be as active in the transfer market over the winter
Some people have a lot of bitterness in them. After a county gets hammered, the last thing that would occur to me would be to go on the internet to stick the knife in. I might have a lot of faults, but I'm glad I'm not like that.
Anyway I think that's a good post DH and I broadly agree with it, particularly the part about spending more time with the clubs, to me the set-up smacks a bit of the Irish rugby team in the 07 world cup. I mean, Cork were making a big deal of getting three weeks off from club football to prepare for this, ffs, KE players, if they are in the starting XV, get about 33 weeks away from club football.
Truth is, like that Irish rugby team, we're not good enough to land the big one. That doesn't mean there isn't plenty of football left in us, and more excitable fans should remember that 24 counties would swap places with us, that only perhaps five counties ARE capable of winning Sam, and there's no great shame in not being one of them.
Finally, I'd give McGeeney another year. He's smart enough to learn from his mistakes and the only natural successor is signed up for another year with Longford anyway.
Also, I wish people would stop talking shyte about money. We don't spend as much as people make out (€600k this year) and even if we did, there's worse things it could be spent on than a county team we're proud of.
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on August 06, 2012, 10:35:02 AM
Some people have a lot of bitterness in them. After a county gets hammered, the last thing that would occur to me would be to go on the internet to stick the knife in. I might have a lot of faults, but I'm glad I'm not like that.
Anyway I think that's a good post DH and I broadly agree with it, particularly the part about spending more time with the clubs, to me the set-up smacks a bit of the Irish rugby team in the 07 world cup. I mean, Cork were making a big deal of getting three weeks off from club football to prepare for this, ffs, KE players, if they are in the starting XV, get about 33 weeks away from club football.
Truth is, like that Irish rugby team, we're not good enough to land the big one. That doesn't mean there isn't plenty of football left in us, and more excitable fans should remember that 24 counties would swap places with us, that only perhaps five counties ARE capable of winning Sam, and there's no great shame in not being one of them.
Finally, I'd give McGeeney another year. He's smart enough to learn from his mistakes and the only natural successor is signed up for another year with Longford anyway.
Also, I wish people would stop talking shyte about money. We don't spend as much as people make out (€600k this year) and even if we did, there's worse things it could be spent on than a county team we're proud of.
Im not sticking any knife in. It's a legitimate question. He clearly decided last year he'd taken the Kildare players as far as he could and decided to bring better non-Kildare players in.
I'd imagine he is staying on, Ryan would hardly have committed to another year otherwise
Wasn't referring to you Heffo. The answer to your question, I'd say (hope) is no.
Best of luck to Kildare in Div1 next year. The highest level is the best level to play. 7 out of the 8 Quarter finalists this year were playing Division 1 football this year. Ye were the only county that weren't but will be there next year. Ridiculous that Laois weren't given a chance against Dublin, they might have been relegated from div1, but they were playing against all the top counties.
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 06, 2012, 10:23:54 AM
I think the Airtricity league being played during the summer would probaly have ruled Feely out of playing with Kildare seniors this year. It starts around mid March and run into November. I think this is his first year with Bohs? He played with Kildare u21's, maybe there was some agreement with Bohemians as the u21 campaign finishes in the beginning of May.
Possibly but he is still playing for both the Athy seniors and u21s through the summer and into the autumn. I know it's unrealistic to think he could commit full time to both senior intercounty football and Bohemians but I hope that every effort is made to entice him to play for Kildare even if it means that he does not train frequently with the panel. I understand that he is on a soccer scholarship to DCU at the moment and that involves some sort of link up with Bohemians: http://www.bohemians.ie/features/1644-feely-stands-high-in-fields-of-athy.html (http://www.bohemians.ie/features/1644-feely-stands-high-in-fields-of-athy.html)
An Athy poster on the Kildare board was suggesting that Glasgow Celtic were being linked with him so maybe it will all be in vain from a Kildare point of view anyway.
Taxi for McGeeney!
Quote from: heffo on August 06, 2012, 10:41:10 AM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on August 06, 2012, 10:35:02 AM
Some people have a lot of bitterness in them. After a county gets hammered, the last thing that would occur to me would be to go on the internet to stick the knife in. I might have a lot of faults, but I'm glad I'm not like that.
Anyway I think that's a good post DH and I broadly agree with it, particularly the part about spending more time with the clubs, to me the set-up smacks a bit of the Irish rugby team in the 07 world cup. I mean, Cork were making a big deal of getting three weeks off from club football to prepare for this, ffs, KE players, if they are in the starting XV, get about 33 weeks away from club football.
Truth is, like that Irish rugby team, we're not good enough to land the big one. That doesn't mean there isn't plenty of football left in us, and more excitable fans should remember that 24 counties would swap places with us, that only perhaps five counties ARE capable of winning Sam, and there's no great shame in not being one of them.
Finally, I'd give McGeeney another year. He's smart enough to learn from his mistakes and the only natural successor is signed up for another year with Longford anyway.
Also, I wish people would stop talking shyte about money. We don't spend as much as people make out (€600k this year) and even if we did, there's worse things it could be spent on than a county team we're proud of.
Im not sticking any knife in. It's a legitimate question. He clearly decided last year he'd taken the Kildare players as far as he could and decided to bring better non-Kildare players in.
I'd imagine he is staying on, Ryan would hardly have committed to another year otherwise
I'd say he'll stay on alright. Glenn is the only realistic successor to him and he's unavailable. I just hope if he does stay on that he does not remain too loyal to some of the players that have served the county well over the past few years but have ultimately come up short. We need to blood some of the younger lads and my fear is that he will stick to the tried and trusted and we'll be sat here repeating the exact same things in 12 months time. It might take a few years for them players to come good and that may mean relegation and missing out on a 1/4 final place next year. If it's only going to be a case of one last year for McGeeney then he might not be as willing to get the ball rolling on a job that is probably going to take at least two or three years.
In fairness to him he has been willing to blood young players like Eoin Doyle this year but I'd also argue that he has made some daft calls regarding the young talent in the county. Bringing Hurley on against Dublin last year and then taking him off again after a few minutes was a puzzling decision and it cannot have helped his confidence. Likewise substituting Tommy Moolick after ten minutes of the first league match this year and then not giving him any other run out all year was silly and will not help his long term development. Even yesterday he introduced Dowling who I rate very highly, but he hasn't played all year while Fogarty who has shown plenty in recent months was left sitting on the bench.
'An Athy poster on the Kildare board was suggesting that Glasgow Celtic were being linked with him so maybe it will all be in vain from a Kildare point of view anyway.'
Saw him in Croker yesterday, hope to see him there on the field some day.
Regarding the match, i think we have been far too open this year and was surprised that he would line us up against Cork without a proper centre back. Last couple of years we have had 6 backs and MOF as a sweeper and Callaghan dropping deep as well. Yesterday we had 5 backs and no Leper and the most direct team in Gaelic football destroyed through the middle. Think that Brian Flanagan has never let anyone down in that regard and would have been suitable as a stopper in that area.We could have sacrificed a wing forward .
I agree with a lot of DHs points but wouldnt see an ample replacement for K McG just yet. Defo need a forwards coach though and next year maybe its one last push for Leinster. Its not beyond us.
Johnny Doyle should defo stay on, give him a break till March and he'll be back.
Quote from: LilySavage on August 06, 2012, 11:20:38 AM
Johnny Doyle should defo stay on, give him a break till March and he'll be back.
Amen to that. Give him till next May if necessary. He was still the best Kildare player on the field yesterday along with Alan Smith who has really produced up this year.
Wasn't surprised by the result but certainly was by the margin. Kildare's up and down summer finished on a dreadful performance. I said months back that the Seanie Johnson saga wouldn't do the team any favours but I never imagined it would have the effect it did.
Never seen a team so wide open at the back in Croker before, that run by Walsh from his own 65 is surely unprecedented. I imagine it'll be a long emotive winter in Kildare.