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Agree with above.

I think Roscommon/Derry/Kildare are maybe just a small step below the other 8 teams when it comes down to it.

Who are you including as the 'other' 8? I assume the top 6 in Div 1, plus Dublin & Galway?

Thuggish behaviour in as what?

Shane McGuigan constantly dragged down and pinned to the ground and the Rossie fans cheering away when he got the 2nd yellow. They'd want to look at themselves before pointing any fingers.

It was an ironic cheer from the Rossie supporters, we got nothing off the ref bar the first 10mins & that incident involving McGuigan, he cost us the game. As regards looking at yourselves, Joe public will soon see Derry for what they are.

I just watched a video from the stand of the last 5 mins again there on Facebook. Embarrassing from a Rossie perspective. Joe public will soon see Roscommon for what they are.

Do you have a link for that? I'd like to watch it. Thanks

https://www.facebook.com/malmcmullan/videos/5298334633518821

Thanks

Thuggish behaviour in as what?

Shane McGuigan constantly dragged down and pinned to the ground and the Rossie fans cheering away when he got the 2nd yellow. They'd want to look at themselves before pointing any fingers.

It was an ironic cheer from the Rossie supporters, we got nothing off the ref bar the first 10mins & that incident involving McGuigan, he cost us the game. As regards looking at yourselves, Joe public will soon see Derry for what they are.

I just watched a video from the stand of the last 5 mins again there on Facebook. Embarrassing from a Rossie perspective. Joe public will soon see Roscommon for what they are.

Do you have a link for that? I'd like to watch it. Thanks

[I don't think you should be given 2 shots for 1 foul.]

The advantage is where a team are in a better position to score than they would be if the free was given. A team can waste their advantage in the same way that they can waste their free but that's their own doing.
I don't think you should be given 2 shots for 1 foul.

that's prob the best way ive seen it put

I must try that at a game hardstation is at and see if the general consensus is the same among his clubmen

Haha in fairness, I dont blame the refs its the rule, but I just think soccer have it better where the ref either plays advantage or gives the free, in GAA its pretty much both play the advantage and unless its a score then its brought back for a free. too long of an advantage is my issue, should be a phase, ie if I have the ball 30m out get fouled but play the ball to a man off the shoulder and he solos and shoots surely thats enough advantage, but in current rules if that happens and the player puts it wide or short the team gets a free, they are rewarded for actually making a mess of their advantage.

They are not rewarded for making a mess of the advantage, the defending team is punished for the foul! The attacking teams gets 2 chances to punish the defending team in this case. Therefore the benefit of fouling is lessened and therefore the defending team will be less likely to foul. And where they do foul, they are more likely to be punished on the scoreboard.

If we accept that the aim is to reduce fouling in the game then the advantage rule as it currently stands is a reasonably good way to achieve that aim.

Antrim - no
Armagh - yes
Cavan - yes
Donegal - yes
Down - yes
Fermanagh - yes
Derry - yes
Monaghan - no
Tyrone - yes

So 7/9 DO have lights...

To be fair, the context was how many have lights AND are suitable for Ulster Championship matches. Is it still 7?

Yes all 7 have held Ulster games in recent years. Monaghan have two grounds with floodlights fit to hold league games.

Fair enough.

Antrim - no
Armagh - yes
Cavan - yes
Donegal - yes
Down - yes
Fermanagh - yes
Derry - yes
Monaghan - no
Tyrone - yes

So 7/9 DO have lights...

To be fair, the context was how many have lights AND are suitable for Ulster Championship matches. Is it still 7?

I think it's up to each county board (or provincial council for provincial games) to decide how games are finished.

Anyone know where I could access the full game to rewatch it? I assumed I'd find it on RTE player but on Monday night when I looked I couldn't find it.

It was definitely on the player on sunday night, cos I watched some of it.

Did anyone else notice Jason Sherlock running onto the pitch for practically every Kerry kickout in the first half? He seemed to make a bee line for anywhere within the Kerry half where there was space and sometimes seemed to just run in a loop around it. The pessimist in me thought it looked like Dublin were getting another body on the pitch to make it seem more crowded for the Kerry kickouts. I know nothing illegal about what he was doing, but it did seem un-sporting to me.
Only an opinion from a neutral and wonder did anyone notice this or was it just me making something out of nothing.

One think I would criticise Gough about, there were a few times in the latter stages of the game when players went down injured and he made keepers take a kickout and on one occasion he waved off the medical staff off the pitch. Dangerous craic that, might have been gamesmanship but could have been serious injuries too.

1. That's definitely what Sherlock was doing - and he's not the first 'runner' to be at that!
2. Referees are instructed to play on with injured players unless it's a head injury. He was correct to get play to re-start.  And I think the time he waved the medical staff off the pitch was when the injured player was being subbed. He told him to get up and get off the pitch...which he was able to do!

Sean O'Shea was unable to run freely at end when Gough didn't allow medical attention on for Dublin free out. He hobbled back up field and was same attack where he gave away the Rock free kick out under Cusack sideline.

I didn't notice O'shea hobbling, but he was certainly gassed when he gave away that free.
But the refs are told to play on unless it's a head injury (or a serious injury), so Gough was correct to allow play to go on.

Did anyone else notice Jason Sherlock running onto the pitch for practically every Kerry kickout in the first half? He seemed to make a bee line for anywhere within the Kerry half where there was space and sometimes seemed to just run in a loop around it. The pessimist in me thought it looked like Dublin were getting another body on the pitch to make it seem more crowded for the Kerry kickouts. I know nothing illegal about what he was doing, but it did seem un-sporting to me.
Only an opinion from a neutral and wonder did anyone notice this or was it just me making something out of nothing.

One think I would criticise Gough about, there were a few times in the latter stages of the game when players went down injured and he made keepers take a kickout and on one occasion he waved off the medical staff off the pitch. Dangerous craic that, might have been gamesmanship but could have been serious injuries too.

1. That's definitely what Sherlock was doing - and he's not the first 'runner' to be at that!
2. Referees are instructed to play on with injured players unless it's a head injury. He was correct to get play to re-start.  And I think the time he waved the medical staff off the pitch was when the injured player was being subbed. He told him to get up and get off the pitch...which he was able to do!

The Kerry lad (Griffin?) was on much more than Sherlock in the first half. I think Jayo upped his game in the 2nd!

Lol

As I said, sherlock wouldn't be the first runner to be at it!

Did anyone else notice Jason Sherlock running onto the pitch for practically every Kerry kickout in the first half? He seemed to make a bee line for anywhere within the Kerry half where there was space and sometimes seemed to just run in a loop around it. The pessimist in me thought it looked like Dublin were getting another body on the pitch to make it seem more crowded for the Kerry kickouts. I know nothing illegal about what he was doing, but it did seem un-sporting to me.
Only an opinion from a neutral and wonder did anyone notice this or was it just me making something out of nothing.

One think I would criticise Gough about, there were a few times in the latter stages of the game when players went down injured and he made keepers take a kickout and on one occasion he waved off the medical staff off the pitch. Dangerous craic that, might have been gamesmanship but could have been serious injuries too.

1. That's definitely what Sherlock was doing - and he's not the first 'runner' to be at that!
2. Referees are instructed to play on with injured players unless it's a head injury. He was correct to get play to re-start.  And I think the time he waved the medical staff off the pitch was when the injured player was being subbed. He told him to get up and get off the pitch...which he was able to do!

[Still an impressive run of games for teams...if Tyrone get to the final this year they will have played Derry, Donegal, Roscommon, Cork, Dublin and Kerry. Kerry's list would be Clare, Cork, Mayo, Donegal, Meath and Tyrone. No matter who wins on Sunday, each team will have had an impressive list of opponents.]

Teams and fans are already pissed about enough in the qualifiers, with games being arranged at 3 or 4 days notice. Now you want it to happen in Super 8's as well

If you have to t**ker about with it at each farts end, it's clearly a stupid concept.

Budget for 3 quarter final games is a bit much to ask alright. 

Still an impressive run of games for teams...if Tyrone get to the final this year they will have played Derry, Donegal, Roscommon, Cork, Dublin and Kerry.  Kerry's list would be Clare, Cork, Mayo, Donegal, Meath and Tyrone.  No matter who wins on Sunday, each team will have had an impressive list of opponents.

Not like Kerry in 1997, when it took wins over Tipperary, Clare , Cavan and Mayo to win it all.  Or 1980's three wins - Cork, Offaly and Roscommon.

In order to reach the final, Mayo would have played the Connacht, Munster, Ulster and Leinster champions!

And lost to two of them! 

Losing faith with RTE myself, Brolly becoming very hard to listen to. Dick Clerkin is awful on Sky and the Senan Connell role always seems a bit superfluous to me, he must be there for eye candy for the ladies or something.

Brolly is impossible to listen to. RTE need a big clearout.

Yeah, Senan Connell, could never figure that one out myself.

Senan Connell spent much of the pre-match from Hyde park last week telling us that the 45metre line in the hyde was nearer the goal than  the 45 in croke park!

Maybe the groundman in croke park has bigger steps! 

Anybody kicking the ball out bar the goalkeeper is a no-no for a couple of reasons.

1. Most outfield players cannot kick the ball from the ground at all. Keepers are called up the field to kick 45s etc. for a reason. They are the only ones that can strike a dead ball. On the Mayo team Cillian struggles to kick a 45 sometimes and I doubt any of our backs would even go close to getting that far. Are we suggesting O Connor is brought back to take kick-outs?

2. If an outfield player takes kickouts, it frees up an opposition forward to increase the press-up or get deeper and contest breaks. It's not going to work.

Clarke can kick the ball long but while the trajectory might not be torpedo he can hoof it. He was trying to pick out targets within his range the last day and I've no doubt that was what he was instructed to do. No way a goalkeeper takes it on himself to decide his kick out strategy.

We had a Kerry runner on the field a lot the last day. I didn't see anybody from Mayo set-up get to Clarke to advise him to do anything different and for God's sake. stop rushing up to take quick kick-outs when we were under the cosh and beaten up a stick. I stand over the arms folded remark I made earlier.  You have to manage the game in front of you.

You'd have to go back almost 50 years for somebody other than goalie to kick the ball out - unless the keeper had an injury. Now you replace the keeper. Maybe Jack Cosgrave from Galway did it but that is early 70s and the game was different. You'd be riddled if you did that now.

Well put moy, I have no problem with that.
I don't think I ever suggested that getting somebody other than the goalkeeper to kick the ball out should be commonplace again. But in a case of horses for courses, there may be times when it would be the lesser of two evils.
David Clarke or Robbie Hennelly?

You've two experienced men there, both have their good points as well as their bad ones. Robbie is certainly the better place kicker but has a suspect temperament. No personal fault of his but he did have a few nightmare experiences and his confidence can be a bit iffy.  Clarkie is the better all-rounder but gets a lot of stick for his restarts. At best, a goalie can only be 50% responsible if his place kicks go astray. If there nobody able or willing to fight for possession then not even Stephen Cluxton could get it right 100% of the time. As you've noticed, there was no input from the sideline and Clarke had to soldier on to the end kicking the ball out and knowing, no matter what he did, that it would be coming back in again. I think it would be taking the nuclear option if Clarke was to be dropped because of his perceived limitations with placed balls when he had a five star performance in every other way.
I'd be looking at the sideline for answers before I'd start laying blame for last Sunday's performance which is straying away from the point. Is there any reason why a goalie must always take kick outs?
I wouldn't dream of saying that we should revert to the times when men wore peaked caps and baggy shorts and the full backs toe poked every ball off the ground but there are times when a case could be made for somebody other than the keeper taking on the job.

Lar, there is no rule that says that the goalkeeper must always take the kick out (in fact I'm pretty sure the rule states that IF someone other than the goalkeeper is not taking the kickout, then the goalkeeper must stand inside the small square. - I haven't checked this rule so I may be wrong).

However, in this day and age kickouts are so important, that voluntarily giving the opposition an extra man to face your kick out would be a form of madness. For that reason, I don't think there is ever a case for somebody other than the keeper taking the kickouts. (apart from an injury to the keeper and all subs used up).

If your goalkeeper can't take the kickouts then he shouldn't be there.

P.s. this is a general point, I'm not talking about clarke specifically.

I can't wait to watch this one.  15 Tyrone players back defending, riveting stuff.

This Tyrone team is statistically the highest scoring team in the history of the Championship. Anyone who thinks they are a defensive team doesn't know if it's pumped or stuffed.

What does the stat mean?
Have you evidence to back it up?

Look at the stats for the highest points scored by a team in a championship season. Look where Tyrone 2017 and Tyrone 2018 are.

So are you saying that Tyrone in 2017 or 2018 have scored more than any team in any year?

Can you provide a link to the stats because I have better things to be doing. But if you are  making such a claim you must have the evidence?

I had a look at 2017 and Dublin's total scored and scoring average are both much higher than Tyrone's. In 2018 Tyrone played two games more than anyone else but their scoring average was still far below Dublin's.

It might be the highest number of points scored without winning anything? I know they're the first team to have lost three times in the Championship.

I had all this worked out before. In 2017 Mayo broke the all time scoring record in a championship season. In 2018 Tyrone beat that record by a few points, but unfortunately Dublin also beat it that year, so as it stands Dublin have the highest scoring season of all time in 2018, Tyrone are second in 2018 and Mayo are in third in 2017.

So statistically, Red hand is incorrect?