Things that make you go What the F**k?

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mackers

I agree that the reasons for this inflation spike are not borne out of wage increases but that doesn't matter.  MR2 cited increasing wages as a problem going forward and he's right.  If wages start to increase excessively then it will lead to a bigger problem as it will lead to further inflation for longer.  It's called the wage-price spiral.
Keep your pecker hard and your powder dry and the world will turn.

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: mackers on November 17, 2022, 09:53:36 AM
I agree that the reasons for this inflation spike are not borne out of wage increases but that doesn't matter.  MR2 cited increasing wages as a problem going forward and he's right.  If wages start to increase excessively then it will lead to a bigger problem as it will lead to further inflation for longer.  It's called the wage-price spiral.
Has that theory not been entirely disproven?

johnnycool

Quote from: mackers on November 17, 2022, 09:53:36 AM
I agree that the reasons for this inflation spike are not borne out of wage increases but that doesn't matter.  MR2 cited increasing wages as a problem going forward and he's right.  If wages start to increase excessively then it will lead to a bigger problem as it will lead to further inflation for longer.  It's called the wage-price spiral.

There's the key word and with current inflation at 11% an excessive wage increase would be north of that and that's not going to happen in a significant number.

Anything less than 11% is a pay cut in real terms.

imtommygunn

A wage increase of less than inflation is not really a wage increase though.

seafoid

Quote from: mackers on November 17, 2022, 09:53:36 AM
I agree that the reasons for this inflation spike are not borne out of wage increases but that doesn't matter.  MR2 cited increasing wages as a problem going forward and he's right.  If wages start to increase excessively then it will lead to a bigger problem as it will lead to further inflation for longer.  It's called the wage-price spiral.
There were 3 separate wage-price inflation spikes in the late 70s. That is what Central Bankers are worried about. 
They are prepared to crash the economy to prevent it happening again.

mackers

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 17, 2022, 10:02:59 AM
Quote from: mackers on November 17, 2022, 09:53:36 AM
I agree that the reasons for this inflation spike are not borne out of wage increases but that doesn't matter.  MR2 cited increasing wages as a problem going forward and he's right.  If wages start to increase excessively then it will lead to a bigger problem as it will lead to further inflation for longer.  It's called the wage-price spiral.
Has that theory not been entirely disproven?
Source?
It's common sense.  If overheads go up (with wages being the biggest expense in most businesses) then these will be passed on to the consumer at least in part.
Keep your pecker hard and your powder dry and the world will turn.

mackers

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Quote from: johnnycool on November 17, 2022, 10:04:50 AM
Quote from: mackers on November 17, 2022, 09:53:36 AM
I agree that the reasons for this inflation spike are not borne out of wage increases but that doesn't matter.  MR2 cited increasing wages as a problem going forward and he's right.  If wages start to increase excessively then it will lead to a bigger problem as it will lead to further inflation for longer.  It's called the wage-price spiral.

There's the key word and with current inflation at 11% an excessive wage increase would be north of that and that's not going to happen in a significant number.

Anything less than 11% is a pay cut in real terms.
It is the key word though the bigger the wage increases the more risk that the economy spirals out of control.  It's a very tricky time for everyone concerned. You're looking at it at on a personal level which is perfectly understandable but it does have an effect on a macro-economic level.  That's what central banks and governments are worried about.
Keep your pecker hard and your powder dry and the world will turn.

Armagh18

Quote from: seafoid on November 17, 2022, 10:08:20 AM
Quote from: mackers on November 17, 2022, 09:53:36 AM
I agree that the reasons for this inflation spike are not borne out of wage increases but that doesn't matter.  MR2 cited increasing wages as a problem going forward and he's right.  If wages start to increase excessively then it will lead to a bigger problem as it will lead to further inflation for longer.  It's called the wage-price spiral.
There were 3 separate wage-price inflation spikes in the late 70s. That is what Central Bankers are worried about. 
They are prepared to crash the economy to prevent it happening again.
Theres a reason the collective term for a group of bankers is a "wunch"

GiveItToTheShooters

Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on November 17, 2022, 12:09:35 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 16, 2022, 08:32:29 PM
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Quote from: tbrick18 on November 16, 2022, 02:48:32 PM
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Quote from: tbrick18 on November 16, 2022, 12:13:30 PM
11.1% inflation.


Highest since the 70s.

It's depressing.

What's even more depressing, according to Martin Lewis - and I never really thought of it like this, reducing inflation doesnt reduce prices.
Lets say inflation reduces to 5% next year.
Something that cost £100 last year, costs £111.10 this year.
@5% inflation next year that same item will cost £116.65.
So costs are going to keep going up.

Think I asked that question a few months back here, i.e. does 'deflation' ever happen?
It happened for most of the last decade
Any examples to back that up?
Nothing, just as I thought.

Armagh18

I think it was said on here that deflation never really happens and if it did, it would be disastrous. Who is gonna buy something if they know the price is going yo keep going down and down? 

Tyrdub

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2022/1117/1336621-tolls-ireland/

Am I wrong in thinking that the original premise for the Tolls was to pay off the Contractor's costs in installing/ upgrading the roads? When will this be cleared?

seafoid

Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on November 17, 2022, 12:09:35 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 16, 2022, 08:32:29 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 16, 2022, 08:22:27 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on November 16, 2022, 02:48:32 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 16, 2022, 01:25:41 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on November 16, 2022, 12:13:30 PM
11.1% inflation.


Highest since the 70s.

It's depressing.

What's even more depressing, according to Martin Lewis - and I never really thought of it like this, reducing inflation doesnt reduce prices.
Lets say inflation reduces to 5% next year.
Something that cost £100 last year, costs £111.10 this year.
@5% inflation next year that same item will cost £116.65.
So costs are going to keep going up.

Think I asked that question a few months back here, i.e. does 'deflation' ever happen?
It happened for most of the last decade
Any examples to back that up?
Negative yield bonds in many countries.

Milltown Row2

Quote from: Tyrdub on November 17, 2022, 01:10:06 PM
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2022/1117/1336621-tolls-ireland/

Am I wrong in thinking that the original premise for the Tolls was to pay off the Contractor's costs in installing/ upgrading the roads? When will this be cleared?

Yes but seeing as you can make a few bob and people are conditioned to paying for it then job done!!
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

armaghniac

Quote from: Tyrdub on November 17, 2022, 01:10:06 PM
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2022/1117/1336621-tolls-ireland/

Am I wrong in thinking that the original premise for the Tolls was to pay off the Contractor's costs in installing/ upgrading the roads? When will this be cleared?

The contractors have a term of something like 25 years. The East Link bridge in Dublin has already passed this point, the council just uses it to generate money.
I expect the other roads end up in this way over the next decade or they might require the contactor to build something else to be allowed extend the term.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B