The Many Faces of US Politics...

[Itchy]

How do you square the fact that since old Genocide Joe came into Power the world has seen two new major conflicts in which he is stuck in the middle of?

Don't get me wrong, I think Trump is a total piece of shit and not fit to hold any office. I just think Biden is also a piece of shit and I take great offence that he tries to draw a link to Ireland as if he is some part of us.

Biden (or the US for that matter) had no hand act or part in starting either of those wars.

Once they started he had to take a side

Why does he have to take a side? What about the side of justice?
Arm a country committing genocide?
By the way it started long before last October.. but you know that.

Well yeah, but the current "new conflict" which Itchy accuses Biden of dragging the world into, began then. Had Hamas not did what they did that day, things would be proceeding as before with Israel maintaining the stranglehold on Gaza and working away at the theft of land in the West Bank.

After October 7, Biden had no choice but to support Israel. It's simply the only sustainable position for a mainstream politician in the US. The only debate is the lengths Israel is allowed to go. The Dems have limits, the GOP doesn't.

As for the other "new conflict", Biden is absolutely correct to support Zelensky and the Ukrainians. But if you're concerned about that, you won't have long to worry; it looks fairly likely Trump is going to win, and then the Ukraine will be cut loose to face their fate with presumably only the EU for support.

I assume you live in US? You'd actually know just by reading your post.

Biden loves a good war, if you listened to his bullshit speech in Ballina about the Mayo man who joined the yank army it'd make you sick. No difference worth talking about between him and Trump and America isn't a democracy. Sorry.

[J70]

How do you square the fact that since old Genocide Joe came into Power the world has seen two new major conflicts in which he is stuck in the middle of?

Don't get me wrong, I think Trump is a total piece of shit and not fit to hold any office. I just think Biden is also a piece of shit and I take great offence that he tries to draw a link to Ireland as if he is some part of us.

Biden (or the US for that matter) had no hand act or part in starting either of those wars.

Once they started he had to take a side

Why does he have to take a side? What about the side of justice?
Arm a country committing genocide?
By the way it started long before last October.. but you know that.

Well yeah, but the current "new conflict" which Itchy accuses Biden of dragging the world into, began then. Had Hamas not did what they did that day, things would be proceeding as before with Israel maintaining the stranglehold on Gaza and working away at the theft of land in the West Bank.

After October 7, Biden had no choice but to support Israel. It's simply the only sustainable position for a mainstream politician in the US. The only debate is the lengths Israel is allowed to go. The Dems have limits, the GOP doesn't.

As for the other "new conflict", Biden is absolutely correct to support Zelensky and the Ukrainians. But if you're concerned about that, you won't have long to worry; it looks fairly likely Trump is going to win, and then the Ukraine will be cut loose to face their fate with presumably only the EU for support.

I assume you live in US? You'd actually know just by reading your post.

Biden loves a good war, if you listened to his bullshit speech in Ballina about the Mayo man who joined the yank army it'd make you sick. No difference worth talking about between him and Trump and America isn't a democracy. Sorry.

How about telling me what you disagree with instead of vacuous nonsense like that last sentence?

And yeah, I do live in the US and despite the American consensus on Israel, for which I share your disdain, there is a huge difference between them on policy (we'll not get into Trump's personal pathologies).

[Itchy]

How do you square the fact that since old Genocide Joe came into Power the world has seen two new major conflicts in which he is stuck in the middle of?

Don't get me wrong, I think Trump is a total piece of shit and not fit to hold any office. I just think Biden is also a piece of shit and I take great offence that he tries to draw a link to Ireland as if he is some part of us.

Biden (or the US for that matter) had no hand act or part in starting either of those wars.

Once they started he had to take a side

Why does he have to take a side? What about the side of justice?
Arm a country committing genocide?
By the way it started long before last October.. but you know that.

Well yeah, but the current "new conflict" which Itchy accuses Biden of dragging the world into, began then. Had Hamas not did what they did that day, things would be proceeding as before with Israel maintaining the stranglehold on Gaza and working away at the theft of land in the West Bank.

After October 7, Biden had no choice but to support Israel. It's simply the only sustainable position for a mainstream politician in the US. The only debate is the lengths Israel is allowed to go. The Dems have limits, the GOP doesn't.

As for the other "new conflict", Biden is absolutely correct to support Zelensky and the Ukrainians. But if you're concerned about that, you won't have long to worry; it looks fairly likely Trump is going to win, and then the Ukraine will be cut loose to face their fate with presumably only the EU for support.

I assume you live in US? You'd actually know just by reading your post.

Biden loves a good war, if you listened to his bullshit speech in Ballina about the Mayo man who joined the yank army it'd make you sick. No difference worth talking about between him and Trump and America isn't a democracy. Sorry.

How about telling me what you disagree with instead of vacuous nonsense like that last sentence?

And yeah, I do live in the US and despite the American consensus on Israel, for which I share your disdain, there is a huge difference between them on policy (we'll not get into Trump's personal pathologies).

If there are two sheep in a field and all you hear all day is that one sheep is better than the other, you'll probably start believing it. You might even join in speaking on behalf of that sheep. Everyone else just sees two sheep in a field, eating the same grass and owned by the same Farmer.

[J70]

How do you square the fact that since old Genocide Joe came into Power the world has seen two new major conflicts in which he is stuck in the middle of?

Don't get me wrong, I think Trump is a total piece of shit and not fit to hold any office. I just think Biden is also a piece of shit and I take great offence that he tries to draw a link to Ireland as if he is some part of us.

Biden (or the US for that matter) had no hand act or part in starting either of those wars.

Once they started he had to take a side

Why does he have to take a side? What about the side of justice?
Arm a country committing genocide?
By the way it started long before last October.. but you know that.

Well yeah, but the current "new conflict" which Itchy accuses Biden of dragging the world into, began then. Had Hamas not did what they did that day, things would be proceeding as before with Israel maintaining the stranglehold on Gaza and working away at the theft of land in the West Bank.

After October 7, Biden had no choice but to support Israel. It's simply the only sustainable position for a mainstream politician in the US. The only debate is the lengths Israel is allowed to go. The Dems have limits, the GOP doesn't.

As for the other "new conflict", Biden is absolutely correct to support Zelensky and the Ukrainians. But if you're concerned about that, you won't have long to worry; it looks fairly likely Trump is going to win, and then the Ukraine will be cut loose to face their fate with presumably only the EU for support.

I assume you live in US? You'd actually know just by reading your post.

Biden loves a good war, if you listened to his bullshit speech in Ballina about the Mayo man who joined the yank army it'd make you sick. No difference worth talking about between him and Trump and America isn't a democracy. Sorry.

How about telling me what you disagree with instead of vacuous nonsense like that last sentence?

And yeah, I do live in the US and despite the American consensus on Israel, for which I share your disdain, there is a huge difference between them on policy (we'll not get into Trump's personal pathologies).

If there are two sheep in a field and all you hear all day is that one sheep is better than the other, you'll probably start believing it. You might even join in speaking on behalf of that sheep. Everyone else just sees two sheep in a field, eating the same grass and owned by the same Farmer.

You sound like someone who just likes to argue just for the sake of it.

I've already said, multiple times, that Biden has to follow the long-standing US broad consensus on Israel.

But believe it or not, the US, like most countries, has a multitude of other problems and policy areas outside of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

If you're saying there's no difference between Biden and Trump, or the Dems and GOP in general, on anything, then you haven't got a clue.

[Itchy]

How do you square the fact that since old Genocide Joe came into Power the world has seen two new major conflicts in which he is stuck in the middle of?

Don't get me wrong, I think Trump is a total piece of shit and not fit to hold any office. I just think Biden is also a piece of shit and I take great offence that he tries to draw a link to Ireland as if he is some part of us.

Biden (or the US for that matter) had no hand act or part in starting either of those wars.

Once they started he had to take a side

Why does he have to take a side? What about the side of justice?
Arm a country committing genocide?
By the way it started long before last October.. but you know that.

Well yeah, but the current "new conflict" which Itchy accuses Biden of dragging the world into, began then. Had Hamas not did what they did that day, things would be proceeding as before with Israel maintaining the stranglehold on Gaza and working away at the theft of land in the West Bank.

After October 7, Biden had no choice but to support Israel. It's simply the only sustainable position for a mainstream politician in the US. The only debate is the lengths Israel is allowed to go. The Dems have limits, the GOP doesn't.

As for the other "new conflict", Biden is absolutely correct to support Zelensky and the Ukrainians. But if you're concerned about that, you won't have long to worry; it looks fairly likely Trump is going to win, and then the Ukraine will be cut loose to face their fate with presumably only the EU for support.

I assume you live in US? You'd actually know just by reading your post.

Biden loves a good war, if you listened to his bullshit speech in Ballina about the Mayo man who joined the yank army it'd make you sick. No difference worth talking about between him and Trump and America isn't a democracy. Sorry.

How about telling me what you disagree with instead of vacuous nonsense like that last sentence?

And yeah, I do live in the US and despite the American consensus on Israel, for which I share your disdain, there is a huge difference between them on policy (we'll not get into Trump's personal pathologies).

If there are two sheep in a field and all you hear all day is that one sheep is better than the other, you'll probably start believing it. You might even join in speaking on behalf of that sheep. Everyone else just sees two sheep in a field, eating the same grass and owned by the same Farmer.

You sound like someone who just likes to argue just for the sake of it.

I've already said, multiple times, that Biden has to follow the long-standing US broad consensus on Israel.

But believe it or not, the US, like most countries, has a multitude of other problems and policy areas outside of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

If you're saying there's no difference between Biden and Trump, or the Dems and GOP in general, on anything, then you haven't got a clue.

Biden has to support Israeli genocide because..... He has to. That's brilliant. Thanks for explaining the complex American political landscape.

I think you support democrats as they are "your team" and as a result you are making excuses for a Genocide supporting piece of shit.

[bannside]

Two pieces of shit...is that really the best that country can offer. I'll never set foot near the swamp.

[J70]

How do you square the fact that since old Genocide Joe came into Power the world has seen two new major conflicts in which he is stuck in the middle of?

Don't get me wrong, I think Trump is a total piece of shit and not fit to hold any office. I just think Biden is also a piece of shit and I take great offence that he tries to draw a link to Ireland as if he is some part of us.

Biden (or the US for that matter) had no hand act or part in starting either of those wars.

Once they started he had to take a side

Why does he have to take a side? What about the side of justice?
Arm a country committing genocide?
By the way it started long before last October.. but you know that.

Well yeah, but the current "new conflict" which Itchy accuses Biden of dragging the world into, began then. Had Hamas not did what they did that day, things would be proceeding as before with Israel maintaining the stranglehold on Gaza and working away at the theft of land in the West Bank.

After October 7, Biden had no choice but to support Israel. It's simply the only sustainable position for a mainstream politician in the US. The only debate is the lengths Israel is allowed to go. The Dems have limits, the GOP doesn't.

As for the other "new conflict", Biden is absolutely correct to support Zelensky and the Ukrainians. But if you're concerned about that, you won't have long to worry; it looks fairly likely Trump is going to win, and then the Ukraine will be cut loose to face their fate with presumably only the EU for support.

I assume you live in US? You'd actually know just by reading your post.

Biden loves a good war, if you listened to his bullshit speech in Ballina about the Mayo man who joined the yank army it'd make you sick. No difference worth talking about between him and Trump and America isn't a democracy. Sorry.

How about telling me what you disagree with instead of vacuous nonsense like that last sentence?

And yeah, I do live in the US and despite the American consensus on Israel, for which I share your disdain, there is a huge difference between them on policy (we'll not get into Trump's personal pathologies).

If there are two sheep in a field and all you hear all day is that one sheep is better than the other, you'll probably start believing it. You might even join in speaking on behalf of that sheep. Everyone else just sees two sheep in a field, eating the same grass and owned by the same Farmer.

You sound like someone who just likes to argue just for the sake of it.

I've already said, multiple times, that Biden has to follow the long-standing US broad consensus on Israel.

But believe it or not, the US, like most countries, has a multitude of other problems and policy areas outside of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

If you're saying there's no difference between Biden and Trump, or the Dems and GOP in general, on anything, then you haven't got a clue.

Biden has to support Israeli genocide because..... He has to. That's brilliant. Thanks for explaining the complex American political landscape.

I think you support democrats as they are "your team" and as a result you are making excuses for a Genocide supporting piece of shit.

Where have I made excuses? I'm simply stating facts. You can shout all you want, but it doesn't make me wrong.

It's a two party system. You take what you can get. I can either go with the one that most mirrors my own views, or I can opt out and have zero say in the democratic process in the country in which I'm raising a family. I have the choice of a far-right, christian nationalist, personality cult, or a coalition of various interests united in opposition to that cult. Unfortunately for the Palestinians, while support for them and opposition to the extremism of Netanyahu Israel is growing within the ranks of the Democratic coalition, that support does not yet translate into enough influence to seriously moderate traditional US policy towards Israel. If Biden is perceived to go too far in opposing Netanyahu (again, he got an official rebuke from the House last week), it will split his party (and it may already have), and 100% guarantee the election of Trump and a GOP Congress and all that that will bring, including for the Palestinians.
 

[Itchy]

Or Biden could be a man, explain the slaughter and why America won't stand for it. Appeal to moderate sensible people. The truth is he's in the pocket of the same people as Trump. See 2 white sheep analogy above.

If I were in your shoes I'd get my family out of that shithole.

And I'm not shouting.

[J70]

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Or Biden could be a man, explain the slaughter and why America won't stand for it. Appeal to moderate sensible people. The truth is he's in the pocket of the same people as Trump. See 2 white sheep analogy above.

If I were in your shoes I'd get my family out of that shithole.

And I'm not shouting.

If by pocket, you mean the general US public. Yeah, he could call it a genocide, but that would be self-defeating, and basically handing over the keys of the White House. There simply isn't a receptive audience to hear that message, and especially not from an aging president with lots of other policy problems in an election year with an opponent only too happy to exploit bigotry and fear-mongering on this and many other issues. Like I said, even the very modest move of pausing the 2000 lb bombs has been very controversial.

People from Ireland and many other countries are sympathetic to the Palestinians due to our history of colonization and dispossession. Americans have been brought up to see Israel as a flawed ally in a hostile part of the world. Gutless it may be, but that's the political reality Biden has to deal with. And no one ever said he is going to be remembered in the pantheon of inspirational presidents like Lincoln.