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Your not the brightest individual on the board then.All of these operations you highlight are the reasons why the Brits had to find a way out. They knew a united ireland couldnt be achieved due to the small problem of 1M unionists. So ask yourself this question. What was it that brought Martin and Gerry from their 1970's meeting in which they asked tge Brits to get out within 2 years to the Goodfriday agreement ? Did the boys just get old ? Brits didn't control an Empire or win 2 world wars by sitting back and letting it happen.....and let others set the agenda. This is an establishment prepared to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of their own citizens so 4-5000 in Ireland abd a few Billion is nothing to them.Puppet masters at their work and every thinking republican knows it.

If there's anyone who is not the not the brightest individual on the board it's obviously you Walter  Your like a member of the flat earth society who thinks if he shouts " The earth is flat, the earth is flat, the earth is flat " everyone will eventually start thinking like him !!! Again totally illogical and absurd to push a conspiracy theory that from 1981 the Brits were secretly running the IRA to bring about a settlement nearly a decade and a half later and accepting the billions of damage to London, Manchester etc as "collateral damage " as well as the international embarrassment of the Provos mortaring Downing St, Brighton Hotel etc. It was the Provos who had the upper hand with their spies within British security services and hence bombs under MP's cars, mortars into Downing St, the mass break out of 33 of the IRA's most deadly men in 1983, the huge arms shipments from Libya which your MI5, MI6, SAS etc knew nothing about until the 3rd and smallest one was captured by accident by the Irish navy.

And as for " Britain win 2 world wars by " ah yes here we go again, Britain the nation that tries to hype itself up with the conceited lies that they alone defeated Germany in two world wars  And how in God's name Gerry and Martin back in the mid 70's were supposed to know about the future Good Friday agreement of 1998 is beyond me.

Bill - don't forget that media coverage (or lack of) on both sides of the border was important to keep the population focused on what they needed to know by certain parties.

The collaboration was going on long before 1969 when I think of it such as Dev bringing over an English hangman to execute Irish prisoners, internment etc And just carried on regardless from first day of the troubles when the great ' stand idly by ' Lynch's Fianna Fail govt did everything possible to collaborate with the Brits and unionist regime in the north to maintain partition and their rotten, cronyist, gombeen state south of the border.

Brits needed to control both sides to a settlement. Which they did. They recognised after the hunger strikes they had to turn their biggest weakness into a strength (The republican movement). They already had loyalists in their pockets. The Strategy was very simple.
1. Shoot to kill STRATEGY.
2. Target catholic population by directing loyalist death squads.
3. When shoot to kills stratey was exposed the changed tactics by using loyalists to target republican activists abd known republican families. Galbally
4. Use of their agents within republican movement to disrupt and ambush IRA activities. LOUGHALL CLONOE etc
5. Use of internal IRA security to eliminate informers who had become liabilities to them and to eliminate other memvers who were not informers SCAP.
6. Use of republican acitivies to target loyalists. Shankill.
7. Influence political thinking of Republicans Donaldson.
8. Omagh. Manchester Canary Warf and all the other operations are collateral damage.

Any good military strategist would recognise the planning and Orchastration get your head out of your ass.

So Walter Mitty is at it again  Absolutely illogical and absurd to think the Brits from 1981 were running the IRA to bring about a settlement nearly a decade and a half later and accepting the billions of damage to London, Manchester etc as "collateral damage " as well as all the deaths of their own including MP's, Judges, Generals and almost been wiped out at Brighton or mortared into Downing St etc Like I said, they don't seem to be too keen to let organise the disso's into a 25 year conflict.

Your an extremely naive person if you can't see that from the mid 80's republicans were penetrated at the highest levels, Denis Donaldson and stakeknife are only two examples. Guys with influence over direction and policy. Loughhall, Clonoe, Strabane and Coagh don't happen by accident.

Why would they want the Disso's distroy the settlement which the British wanted planned and Orchastrate from the mid 80's onwards ?

If there's anyone who is an  extremely naive person it's you matey On the law of averages the Brits were going to find out where some weapons etc were been stored and lay an ambush. You mention Loughgall, so come the Provos could retaliate back with Ballygawley 8 dead and Lisburn 6 dead in reply ? And it should be pointed out that Brit ambushes were far from been the success story they claimed with the IRA sometimes playing a double game and killing some of them in a counter ambush. When the Brits carried out an ambush it was hyped in the media for days as the daring do 007 SAS blah, blah, blah. When the Provos took some of them out in a counter ambush it was quietly put down as the death of " undercover soldiers " and dropped by the next day.

As for "the settlement which the British wanted planned and Orchastrate from the mid 80's onwards" Yeah sure they let London, Manchester, MP Ian Gow turned to toast and thousands of other operations go ahead in some sort of plan to make it look like the British govt could bring about a settlement with the very people they had said for 25 years over their dead bodies would they ever speak to never mind end up in power sharing with  GET REAL.

IRA kill SAS men in counter ambush | Cappagh | 24th March 1990 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L8tWQlX7Fc

The truth is the conflict here was perpetuated by the Security forces, Unionism, British govt. Played eveyone like puppets and could have brought the conflict to an end at anytime but chose not to.

Stakeknife how the Brits organised the whole war against themselves for 25 years, boy they sure fooled the entire world didn't they. Funny enough they don't seem to keen to let organise the disso's into a 25 year conflict ??

The Cats are awesome. Unless Galway improve greatly, Kilkenny might not get a good challenge until an all Ireland semi final. I'd doubt if Offaly cause a shock against Galway but would then only get destroyed in a Leinster final by Kilkenny.

[where the British state actually in control of all sides in the conflict]

Not often I agree with this guy fearon but his point about the deafening silence from the freestate government on this is gut wrenching. His other point about accepting the status quo and cow tailing to unionisim is horse shite.The only true solution to this part of the world is the ending of partition. It may or may not be in my life time but it will be in my children's but unification is the only logical long term solution. When ordinary decent protestants finally realise how rotten this state is and how many of their friends and neighbours died as a result of government activity they will come to their senses. It was not only the Loyalists who were infiltrated at the highest levels. When the head of republican internal security was a paid agent you have to ask the question what was it all about ? where the British state actually in control of all sides in the conflict, RUC, British Army, UVF and the Provos. As the inquiries continue this will become clear. Kingsmill is the start of Unionism realisation that the state they owe their allegiance to has been at the root cause of their pain. Granted it was republicans who carried out the brutal acts but it was their own government who was pulling the strings. New evidence appears after 40 years which conveniently stops the enquiry? FFS. McGurks Bar, Ballymurphy,Bloody sunday,Rosemary Nelson, Pat and Diarmid Shields, The Foxes, Miami, St Patricks day murders on Donaghmore in Dungannon, Teeban, Brian Nelson, Finuicane Loughanisland, the list is endless of paid agents involvement with direct and indirect involvement of the state In wholesale murder.

Yeah sure, from August '69 every member of the Provos and INLA was in fact a Brit spy - funny enough they don't seem to want to crack down on the Disso's fairly quick though and this when the Provos had a 1,000 times more capability. I suppose the Brighton Hotel bombing, Mountbatten, Warrenpoint, London, Manchester etc was all just super crafty plans by the Brits to fool the world for 25 years. Get real.

[Fortunately for the British state]

Fortunately for the British state,  recruiting republican informers meant lots more dead republicans via covert operations against republican killers. 

Unfortunately for Nationalists, the British state recruiting  Loyalist informers meant the same  informers could brashly maintain a high profile of intimidation, murder any catholic at will, be paid to do so by the British establishment, with total immunity from prosecution.... and all the while not a covert operation against loyalist killers in sight.  There's your difference.

How anyone could describe themselves as an Irish nationalist and use the words " fortunately" about the death of Irish citizens by the British state just shows the perversity of our total fu*ked up kip of a state that produces such a mindset. That's a Sunday Independent 'nationalist' for you I suppose. Fortunately for the Provos they had many spies within the RUC, Brits etc and used that information to good effect at Brighton, knew that internment was coming in, turning Tory MP Ian Gow into toast, tracking the Brits from Aldergrove to blow them to pieces at Ballygawley and thousands of other operations. Indeed I remember reading in Seán Mac Stíofáin's Memoirs of a Revolutionary that women were among the best intelligence officers in the IRA .......

[we're not going away you know]

SF do seem to be going away

SF 4% fall / FF 3% rise.

And in the immediate aftermath of a budget.

FF's rise is at FG's expense, SF drops went to the Independents. As a SF member I wouldn't get too excited, FF are enjoying plenty of news coverage as the so called only ' oppostion ' to FG/Labour thanks to their army of appoimtees down the years in RTE, Newstalk radio and of course Dr Sir O'Reilly's/O'Brien's toilet papers Independent newspapers. We will have council, Euro and referendums to make our impact and importantly a financial scandal invovling FF midway thru an election may well be uncovered liek what happened with Sean Gallaher    - we're not going away you know  

[ban the demo ??]

I'm sorry but thinking like that is completely wrong and should be discouraged. That is what they are going for, violent confrontation and giving it to them will cause the shitstorm and bad press for the Republic that they desire.

Ignore the f**kers, let them tr**p about and usher them home as quick as possible. IF they start rioting then by all means lead the baton charge but don't advocate the use of violence until we see their true intentions.

The last parade was a raging success from FAIR's point of view, Dublin got torn up and they got to portray themselves as innocent bystanders whilst the Irish Mail got to write all the salacious headlines it could manifest. The last rally was so successful they had the brainwave of trying it again, let's not reward the c***ts by allowing this to become violent as well. Keep them penned in, hurry them along and keep the local RIRA scumbags at good distance to prevent them becoming involved.

Nothing would dissapoint the Loyalists more than a peaceful, uneventful march largely ignored by the media. This is what they should get.

Would you not think the Guards/Govt should just ban the demo ?? 

Good article in the Independent ( probably will be one of the few good articles in it for the mext 12 months ) about Copper Face Jacks in Dublin, where all the GAA heads end up after been at closing time around Croke Park such as the Big Tree, Hogan Stand etc Or when their's not a big match on, where culchie builders, nurses, civil servants etc go " fur a bit a' crack and a late wan " !!!!!

" Not that everyone is a fan -- online, punters have also complained that the place can get crowded, messy and smashed drunk by the end of the night. As someone once said: "It was love at fifth pint.......And maybe it's all the animal print or free-flowing pints, but when it comes to romance, there's a perception that the clientele aren't exactly the fussiest. Unflatteringly nicknamed 'Slappers' by some, one web surfer commented: "I always get a grip in there."

http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/why-punters-and-players-go-gaa-gaa-for-coppers-2886313.html

[Ulster has awakened !!!!]

Ulster has awakened !!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M7xAGvBqdc

Try this.And his team didn't even win.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/19863795

Warrington Wolves prop Paul Wood has had a testicle removed after rupturing it in Saturday's Grand Final defeat by Leeds Rhinos.

The 30-year-old was injured early in the second half but played on before going to hospital after the match.

He told BBC Radio Manchester: "I'm not too bad, it sounds worse than it is.

As Hells Angel founder Sonny Barger would say, " Everyone is a tough guy until you meet one "

Read on another forum that Ronnie Whelan was the first Irish Catholic to be signed by Liverpool FC ? Surely this couldn't be right ??

John O'Dowd breached code for ministerial appointments

A spokesman for Mr. O'Dowd said "We're Sinn Fein, so we're not capable of Discriminashun, so we're nat, nat even my bigoted Ministerial colleague, Conor Murphy. Or hav' yis all forgat about 800 Years of Oppresshun, hav' yis?

Anyhow, there's a big Ministerial cyar waitin' and we hav' til go before anyone asks who the Driver is, an' how he got the job..."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-19638161

What's that EG, trying to promote the Ulster Scots ' language ' yet again " An, do knee forgat 'bout the Ulstur Covenantur's who weed 'ave sacreeficed thamselves at thee stake jus' leek thur Scottash ancesturs "  Ah yes, the cenotaph hugger strikes again !!!!!