You know what really grinds my gears?

[laoislad]

Cars breaking red lights.
I've noticed it getting steadily worse of the past few years but I saw 4 cars break a red light this morning that was already red a few seconds before the first car broke it.
I have often got a green light only to have to stop to avoid hitting a car that has broke the red coming from the other side.

A red light means "stand by for three more cars to go through." That's my standard response to the "cyclist need to obey the laws" crowd in the online comments under any article about cycling.

So do you think cyclists don't need to obey the laws?

[Eamonnca1]

Cars breaking red lights.
I've noticed it getting steadily worse of the past few years but I saw 4 cars break a red light this morning that was already red a few seconds before the first car broke it.
I have often got a green light only to have to stop to avoid hitting a car that has broke the red coming from the other side.

A red light means "stand by for three more cars to go through." That's my standard response to the "cyclist need to obey the laws" crowd in the online comments under any article about cycling.

So do you think cyclists don't need to obey the laws?

Of course cyclists should obey the laws. Do you think car drivers should not?

My point is that people in glass houses shouldn't take a dump in broad daylight.

[laoislad]

Cars breaking red lights.
I've noticed it getting steadily worse of the past few years but I saw 4 cars break a red light this morning that was already red a few seconds before the first car broke it.
I have often got a green light only to have to stop to avoid hitting a car that has broke the red coming from the other side.

A red light means "stand by for three more cars to go through." That's my standard response to the "cyclist need to obey the laws" crowd in the online comments under any article about cycling.

So do you think cyclists don't need to obey the laws?

Of course cyclists should obey the laws. Do you think car drivers should not?

My point is that people in glass houses shouldn't take a dump in broad daylight.

Of course I do, but my first response to someone saying motorists are always breaking the rules isn't to say well so do cyclists.
It seems to be a cyclist thing to bring up motorists everytime they are challenged over the poor behaviour of cyclists on the roads, rather than admit yeah cyclists can be arseholes also.

[armaghniac]

Your average cycling campaigner could give Sammy Wilson lessons in whataboutery.

[markl121]

I am a cyclist and cyclists can be arseholes. breaking red lights makes no logical sense when the light is red for a reason, usually that reason being traffic coming from another direction so theres a chance you could be killed. I hate also how say a stream of cars has overtook you, then at a light the cyclist moves up through the traffic to the front of the cars again, meaning everyone has to take extra risks by overtaking again, including the cyclists (if you have experienced how some cars overtake)

[Denn Forever]

Why do professional place the ball slightly outside the small quadrant at the corner flag and a linesman standing right beside him?

[JoG2]

Why do professional place the ball slightly outside the small quadrant at the corner flag and a linesman standing right beside him?

Whole of the ball, whole of the line

[lurganblue]

Why do professional place the ball slightly outside the small quadrant at the corner flag and a linesman standing right beside him?

Yeah noticed that again in the CL final. What advantage do they really gain. Pain in the hole.

[Eamonnca1]

I am a cyclist and cyclists can be arseholes. breaking red lights makes no logical sense when the light is red for a reason, usually that reason being traffic coming from another direction so theres a chance you could be killed. I hate also how say a stream of cars has overtook you, then at a light the cyclist moves up through the traffic to the front of the cars again, meaning everyone has to take extra risks by overtaking again, including the cyclists (if you have experienced how some cars overtake)

So it's okay for cars to pass the cyclist but not okay for the cyclist to pass the cars? How does that work? Go to youtube and look for MGIF, the Must Get In Front drivers who feel the need to take a cyclist's life in their hands and squeeze past them at an unsafe distance just to get sitting at that red light for a second longer, only to be passed by the cyclist again a few seconds later.

[Franko]

I am a cyclist and cyclists can be arseholes. breaking red lights makes no logical sense when the light is red for a reason, usually that reason being traffic coming from another direction so theres a chance you could be killed. I hate also how say a stream of cars has overtook you, then at a light the cyclist moves up through the traffic to the front of the cars again, meaning everyone has to take extra risks by overtaking again, including the cyclists (if you have experienced how some cars overtake)

So it's okay for cars to pass the cyclist but not okay for the cyclist to pass the cars? How does that work? Go to youtube and look for MGIF, the Must Get In Front drivers who feel the need to take a cyclist's life in their hands and squeeze past them at an unsafe distance just to get sitting at that red light for a second longer, only to be passed by the cyclist again a few seconds later.

Yes.  It would be good manners for a cyclist, when sitting at lights, to stay behind any cars which have passed them.  By overtaking these cars again they will only be holding them up once again, when the light goes green.  The cyclist who feels the need to overtake cars again at traffic lights is being a total arse, given that the only gain they make by doing so is that they get the privilege of stopping and waiting for the light to change a few yards further up the road.

I'm a cyclist and I'm all for protecting the rights of cyclists as road users, but there's no need to be a p***k about it.

[Eamonnca1]

If it's such a pain in the neck to pass a cyclist, why pass him? Stay behind him until the next light. You're not going to get there any quicker.

[Franko]

If it's such a pain in the neck to pass a cyclist, why pass him? Stay behind him until the next light. You're not going to get there any quicker.

How do you work that out?

[Eamonnca1]

Because in heavy traffic the cyclist will always come out ahead. What's the point of putting a rider's life at risk to squeeze past him only to be passed by him again two seconds later at the next red light? I would really like to know.

[Franko]

Because in heavy traffic the cyclist will always come out ahead. What's the point of putting a rider's life at risk to squeeze past him only to be passed by him again two seconds later at the next red light? I would really like to know.

You're throwing in conditions now.  Granted, in heavy traffic, where there are small gaps between sets of lights, there's no need for a car to overtake the cyclist.  But only in this specific instance.

[Eamonnca1]

"Yes and no." The lad at the next desk just said it. Grrr!