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The gap will narrow as we near polling day, it can't widen. The broadsheets are already wheeling out mildly anti Labour guff daily, its drip feed messaging. I'd love to see the Tories obliterated and with Reform coming from the opposite  end it could happen. I wouldn't be surprised if we ultimately end up in hung parliament territory tbh.

Given that Labour seem likely to win some Scottish seats then I do not anticipate a hung parliament, although the Labour majority may be reduced.

Am I the only one who thinks this will be alot closer than what people think?
I'm just thinking of 2019 and the echo chamber on Twitter. There was speculation it could be no overall majority like 2017 (was 9/4 with the bookies) and the Tories ended up with a majority of 80!

I think there's going to be a complete obliteration, and we are unlikely the see the Tories contend for power again until the 2040s.

The parties themselves know it. The MSM know it. Twitter is now just polarised opinions instead of one way opinions, and isn't relevant.

It's a formality.

The key outcome in our futures isn't the result of this election, but when (if) Labour begin to implement socialist policies. I'd prefer they want hard and quick at it, but a slow bleed over the next decade  is the more prudent approach in a country that innately is not socialist.

There isn't much money in the kitty and any plan to borrow excessively will run into the same problems that Truss faced. Rapid change is probably impossible.

If you are expecting any socialist policies from Starmer you are going to be waiting a while.

Adult policies would be good for a start.

The Russians and the Chinese couldn't hold a candle to them.

This may reflect a difference in capacity rather than intention.

US and many posters here are all in on bringing us closer to nuclear disaster. It's the only way it seems 

What do you suggest? Let Russia occupy anywhere that takes its fancy?

Jail might not be appropriate, but can he be sentenced to community service?

There were a few stand tickets on Ticketmaster earlier, if this is of interest.

The shelling of Civilian areas by Ukraine/US/NATO is okay with you then ?

No, of course it is not. Some things will occur in a war that should not and they should be stopped as far as possible. However, the bulk of the blame lies with the country that started the war by invading another one and the war can be stopped by that county withdrawing its forces.

In the twilight zone rambling that we are seeing here, there is a lot of crap about America encouraging Ukraine to join NATO. As far as I know, nobody has ever said that Ukraine should join NATO, but the Ukrainians want to join. In the 1990s Ukraine decommissioned its nuclear weapons and much of its munitions, and it received security guarantees from the US and Russia. Given that Russia has shown every intention of reneging on its agreement Ukraine inevitably sought protection from their other guarantor, WTF do you expect them to do? Lie down and let Russia occupy them?

So , do insurance companies really check  your annual mileage?

They don't check until you have a claim. On an online site if you change the mileage that you say you then the price will go a up a bit.
In Covid I rang up and said that I was driving feck all and got a bit off.
However, in Dublin I am paying less than I did 30 years ago, things seem worse in the occupied territories.

SF not standing in Belfast East, Belfast South and Mid Down, Lagan Valley and North Down.
Another few votes for Alliance to stop the DUP.

I have genuine fear for this weekend. I hope Kerry just come for a bit of practice rather than at full tilt. Cause under Colm they can win by whatever margin they want. Upto and including 20 points. Meath have never been as low as we are now. I wonder what the geniuses who destroyed mcentee last year by voting against him think now. After we had lost a playoff to get promoted and lost to Dublin by lowest score in years.  Pathetic.  We are a shambles I'd say worse than Kildare. But Colm will put out excuse after excuse after excuse.  And of course a few Latin phrases too just for good measure.

Dicere Meath te solum amittere per 20 benignus est. Kerry ut vincat XXV.

Shouldn't that be  --  Dicere Meath te solum amittere per XX benignus est. Kerry ut vincat XXV?

Not true...you are still referencing walkover scenario.

I think I'll go to bed, especially as I posted the rules in #361 and identified that the Westmeath score was relevant at that point. But then lost confidence in my own post.

(ii) Scoring Difference (subtracting the total Scores Against from total Scores For);


Westmeath will not be easily hammered, and given that they almost beat Tyrone in the last game last year they will hang on to the end. At minimum they will determine second and third place and that could be material.

In the event that two teams or more finish with equal points, but have been affected by a disqualification, loss of game on a proven objection, retirement or walkover, the tie shall be decided by the following means:

(i) Least number of Walkovers given.
(ii) Score Difference from the games in which only the teams involved, (teams tied on points), have played each other (subtracting the total Scores Against from the total Scores For)
(iii) Highest Total Score For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii)
(iv) Highest Total Goals For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii) & (iii)
(v) A Play-Off

From opening page on this thread. Fair chance we lose to Derry and beat Galway and everyone beats Westmeath. In that case score difference only from the games between us, Derry and Galway would come into it. 

That's why Derry can't finish top unless we beat Armagh by 6 or 7 points which just won't happen.

This thread is repeating itself. As I said above, surely you have the option of beating Westmeath by 8 or 9 points instead?

I think the scenario being talked about is one where Derry, Galway and Armagh all beat Westmeath & all end up on 4 points.
Results against Westmeath then don't count in terms of the scoring average calculation - so it wouldn't matter how much they beat Westmeath by.

Fair enough, that is written there, which was a clue.

In the event that two teams or more finish with equal points, but have been affected by a disqualification, loss of game on a proven objection, retirement or walkover, the tie shall be decided by the following means:

(i) Least number of Walkovers given.
(ii) Score Difference from the games in which only the teams involved, (teams tied on points), have played each other (subtracting the total Scores Against from the total Scores For)
(iii) Highest Total Score For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii)
(iv) Highest Total Goals For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii) & (iii)
(v) A Play-Off

From opening page on this thread. Fair chance we lose to Derry and beat Galway and everyone beats Westmeath. In that case score difference only from the games between us, Derry and Galway would come into it. 

That's why Derry can't finish top unless we beat Armagh by 6 or 7 points which just won't happen.

This thread is repeating itself. As I said above, surely you have the option of beating Westmeath by 8 or 9 points instead?

Yeah the only tight win we've had against a strong team in recent years was that Galway group game. I know we beat Tyrone and Donegal well in 22 but they were both poor at the time

We played Galway one year and it went to penalties and the following year we scrambled a one point win, partly because they had injuries. A similar outcome against Derry will do fine.