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Yeah I think it's more an expression of relief on behalf of nervous flyers than anything else. I wouldn't get too upset about that.

Office speak though, that does my nut in.

I don't want to touch base with a colleague to do a sanity check on my work, without reinventing the wheel though, so that we're on a sound footing going forward.

Bollox!

"A sanity check on your work"

I'd never heard of that one!

Just after landing from a perfect flight and half the people on the plane starts clapping. FFS isnt that their job, its not like I landed the thing. Again I dont know why I get so pissed off but I feel the need to stand up and tell everyone to shut the f**k up. But thats not allowed in recent years so have to keep it all inside.

Know exactly what you mean, if a wing had fallen off and engine failed and they managed to land safely I'd clap, but this sort of shite really sickens my hole.

No offence menat towrads our resident pilots on here either

I've seen it in one or two flights (both Transatlantic).

I suppose there are a lot of nervous flyers out there!

Bad drivers.
Extremists and bigots of any stripe.
Waiting.
Creationists who insist on having their unsupported fairy tales taught in science class.
Intellectual dishonesty.

Donegal's goal against Down. Good build-up play, fantastic shot from Rory Kavanagh.

Down's goal in that game wasn't bad either.

Paul McGrane's goal in the Ulster final(i think)

Great finish all right, but the number of steps was a bit suspect!

Saw Chelsea and Bolton tonight and as 5ivetimes said Chelsea are grinding out results,Bolton and some great chances to draw level but Chelsea come thru yet again and also yeah i hate to say it United look very good
At least Arsenal lost but then again Portsmouth and Bolton even feckin Reading look like better 3rd or 4th placed bets at moment

Liverpool and Arsenal will finish third and fourth.

Poor result tonight we lose yet more ground on the leaders

One of those typical frustrating Anfield 0-0 games by all accounts, where Portsmouth got they point they came and defended for. Liverpool couldn't break them down, and that's why they're in the predicament they're in.

Forget the leaders. United and Chelsea are away over the horizon. Getting the third or fourth spot is all that matters for Arsenal and Liverpool now.

Was afraid to post this earlier in the year in case it was closed down due to publicity but it doesn't seem to matter. I have been able to watch almost any game in Europe at any time using this site - eg tomorrow click on the midweek thread, click on the link at the bottom of the first post in it by admin and you'll get a plethora of ways to watch the game - I usually watch on ESPN (sky commentary mostly) but there are rakes of Chinese channels.

http://www.myp2p.eu/forum/index.php

That site is a god send!

Setanta's coverage was on there for the first few weeks of the season, but they pulled it pretty quickly.

Interesting all right, but it could do without this kind of bollocks:

"Moynihan lives in a part of the world where deep thinking comes with the landscape..."

Does anyone know if the airport in Dongeal is near the ground or easy to get too ,i dont fancy that 3.5 hour drive up and back from dublin

Donegal v Dublin fixtures are generally in Ballyshannon. You'll make that in 3 hours or even less from Blanchardstown fairly easily.

If flying, go by Sligo. Ballyshannon is no more than half an hour's drive from Sligo Airport.

If the match is in Ballybofey, forget flying, unless Derry is a possibility. Carrickfin is at least an hour over shite roads from there.



Division 1A looks very tough!

Could be yet another relegation on the cards for our boys this year! There will probably be three or four teams at risk going into the last day though.

Are they mutually exclusive?

Each on its own will only get you so far.

How would you be able to identify a game or decision as a turning point without the benefit of hindsight? Lots of decisions and changes are made through the course of a season - the very influential ones only become clear once they've unleashed whatever chain of events follows on from them. Kerry's decision to move Donaghy in to full forward was certainly a huge turning point this season. If O'Connor had resisted the calls for the move, would they have won the All Ireland? Similarly, Donegal would not have won an All Ireland in 1992 if the players, with the experience of the three previous seasons to inform them, hadn't made the collective decision to go all out with the training in the run-up to and aftermath of the Ulster final. That decision did not guarantee anything, but without that change in attitude and preparation, they probably would not have beaten Derry and would not have been in a position to beat Mayo and Dublin. And no one is saying that luck or circumstance plays no part!

f**k it, everyone else is doing it!

Best Donegal players of the past twenty years?

I've no idea how to do a poll, so I'll just list some possibilities. McHugh is obviously the standout, but no harm looking at some of the others.



Martin McHugh - far and away the most skillful and intelligent Donegal player, probably ever!

Manus Boyle - the ultimate big game player, who, scoring-wise, almost single-handedly won Senior and U-21 All Irelands for Donegal.

Tony Boyle - one of the best full forwards of the 90s. How great could he have been if not for the succession of injuries?

Anthony Molloy - We're still struggling to replace him in the middle of the field!

Adrian Sweeney - Seriously on the wane by now, but one of the top forwards in Ireland in the early years of this decade.

Kevin Cassidy - still early days for him, but he's been one of the best half-backs in the game since he announced his arrival against Cavan in '02 with that unbelievable point from way out on the wing with the outside of his boot.

Brendan Devenney - An extremely gifted if extremely frustrating player. Unmarkable on his good days (remember what he did to All Star Brian Lacey in Newbridge in '01?), but seems to have lost a bit of pace and confidence in recent years.

Barry McGowan - Classy and extremely composed forward who was converted into one of the best corner backs in the game. Tight marker, very good on the ball (Karl Lacey reminds me a bit of him). Strangely underrated outside of Donegal.

Martin Shovlin - Legend in the county. Tragically ruled out of the All Ireland final in 1992 just before the game with a neck injury.

Noel Hegarty - Very versatile strong player. Tight marker, great on the ball. Used to bomb up the field to get the odd vital score.



Others such as John Gildea, Damien Diver, Jim McGuinness (never the same player after the tragic car crash in 1998), Matt Gallagher and Declan Bonner probably all deserve a mention. No doubt I've overlooked some!

The Donegal players, led by Martin McHugh, agreeing, in a post-match clear-the-air meeting, that McEniff and his staff had to seriously increase the intensity of Donegal's preparations in the aftermath of what was a fairly pedestrian Donegal performance against Fermanagh in the Ulster semi-final in 1992. They hammered Fermanagh off the pitch in the end, but only after a very poor Fermanagh side had stayed with them and been arguably the better team for 40 minutes. The nervous display, as favourites, in the first 50 minutes of the AI semi against Mayo notwithstanding, it was a far different team in the subsequent matches, particularly against Derry and Dublin.

The return of Manus Boyle was also vital that season, although it was hard on Tommy Ryan, who lost his place for the AI Final after being the best player in the Ulster Championship.

Whatever about Dooher ( ), Donegal will miss the services of Damien Diver. One of the most consistent Donegal players over the past ten years, and capable of playing just about anywhere on the team.

Legend!