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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: May 24, 2020, 10:01:04 PM »
Today he’s basically accusing Joe Scarborough of murdering an intern twenty years ago.

Hope the GOP is proud.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: May 22, 2020, 08:57:12 PM »
‘If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black’

Poorly worded, to say the least!
joe needs to put the shades back on and head to the basement again.
The problem with voting for joe and he has said it himself is he is only a seat filler and his Vice President will be running the country in a matter of months or a year after the election.

Biden is a gaffe machine. Thankfully they're mostly relatively harmless, either word salad a la GW Bush or dinosaur flashbacks to another time.

I remember there being quite a few nerves about how he'd handle Palin in their debate in 2008, but he managed to pull it off without sticking his foot in it.

I honestly don't remember anything about him and Ryan in 2012.

This time out... we'll see.

Like I've said here before, the lockdown has actually been kind to him. He'll have to start venturing out soon, at least into the media.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: May 22, 2020, 07:28:28 PM »
‘If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black’

Poorly worded, to say the least!

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: May 22, 2020, 07:25:48 PM »
Jaysus.....did you see poor Crazy Uncle Joe put his foot in it big time today

What did he say?

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: May 22, 2020, 07:12:34 PM »
"Today I’m identifying houses of worship - churches, synagogues and mosques - as essential places that provide essential services," Trump said during a hastily arranged press conference Friday. He said if governors don't abide by his request, he will “override" them.

http://hudsonvalley.news12.com/story/42164970/president-trump-calls-on-churches-to-reopen-this-weekend

Someone is getting notions about the extent of his power.

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: May 22, 2020, 07:07:27 PM »
Still dont understand why you think lockdown was a mistake given the people that died before it and since it

The trends pretty much everywhere seem to indicate that this virus runs its course over a couple of months or so. With or without lockdown.

As for lockdowns, I remain to be convinced that we had one, in the real sense of the word.

Even with lockdown, large numbers of people still had to get up every day and go to work in essential services - including hospitals and care homes where the virus was running rampant - and go home again. And in the cities, many had to use public transport. So if the virus was really going to spread like wildfire in the community, it had ample opportunity to do so.

And then there are all the missed diagnoses and even treatments for cancer and other lethal illnesses and conditions...

I fully recognise that others may have different perspectives on it. That's okay too.

As per Cuomo quoting the CDC today, they're thinking the spread via surface contamination is looking to be much less of an issue, with airborne spread the primary mode of transmission. Which means that assuming healthcare workers are wearing masks and practicing proper manual hygiene, they may be well protected. Apparently NY healthcare workers have been suffering very low rates of infection compared to other sectors.

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General discussion / Re: TV Show recommendations
« on: May 22, 2020, 05:46:08 PM »
As Gallsman says impossible and futile to compare, stats for instance When people compare LBJ & Jordan’s stats - 3 point shooting wasn’t part of the game then the way it is now, when Jordan was playing in college there wasn’t even a 3pt line.

Game totally different then, most teams went through a big centre in the paint, Olajuwon, Ewing & Shaq etc. Now you have players like LeBron at 6”9 & Durant at 6”11 running the floor like guards and shooting 3s. Does anyone think Jordan wouldn’t have become a very good 3 shooter if playing now ?

Good article here discussing it -

https://www.espn.co.uk/nba/story/_/id/29158278/five-reasons-michael-jordan-just-good-today-nba

Good article, and hard to argue with any of that.

Its like saying Pele wouldn't still be an all-time great if he were around today.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: May 22, 2020, 04:04:07 PM »
And what would you say to the former members of Trumps National Security team who publicly state on National TV that the Biden Ukrainian dossier is true, but while under oath admit that very little of it is true

And what about the Republican congressional candidate, ( a former member of Trumps National Security Team) who goes on Morning Joe and claims she saw evidence with her own Two eyes of the Biden’s colluding with Ukraine, yet under oath admits she saw no such evidence.

How many more of these are there going to be?

Just post the actual thing you're on about and be done with it.

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: May 22, 2020, 03:21:44 PM »
The British government will face a big investigation after this and I honestly can see serious pressure coming into Johnstone Raab Hancock and co
They have seriously let the country down.
Whilst everyone was telling them to lockdown they seem to be the only ones who didn’t want too. 2 weeks to late and now seems has cost thousands of life’s
How far could this investigation go? Jail?

Jail would require criminal intent or negligence. I doubt if you can be prosecuted for poor judgement in an unfolding, unprecedented global crisis, especially if you can point to professional advice, even if it runs contrary to consensus.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: May 22, 2020, 02:53:56 PM »
Fair enough, And what if the allegations against Biden were mainly unfounded and were in fact Russian disinformation fed to Trumps campaign proxy  by Russian Intelligence, how would you feel about that dossier being used as the basis to wiretap Bidens campaign (and the agents involved did everything in the process to conceal the true origin of the document from the FISA court)

That's a separate issue. Investigate it, and if it is suspected there was deliberate wrong doing, prosecute those agents.

And what about the Special Counsel investigation which was also  based in large part in the false dossier? What should happen with that.  Rose stein admitted under oath that he knew it was false, yet included it as justification for the appointment of the SC

And how about if all of Trumps spokespersons has gone on air 24/7 regurgitating elements of the debunked Biden dossier that they knew to be false.....you’d be fine with that too?

This

There was plenty of other grounds for the special counsel, not just the dossier.

REP. GOWDY: I actually don't think it has any impact on the Russia probe for this reason —

MARGARET BRENNAN: The memo has no impact on the Russia probe?

REP. GOWDY: No-- not to me, it doesn't — and I was pretty integrally involved in the drafting of it. There is a Russia investigation without a dossier. So to the extent the memo deals with the dossier and the FISA process, the dossier has nothing to do with the meeting at Trump Tower. The dossier has nothing to do with an email sent by Cambridge Analytica. The dossier really has nothing to do with George Papadopoulos' meeting in Great Britain. It also doesn't have anything to do with obstruction of justice. So there's going to be a Russia probe, even without a dossier.


https://www.npr.org/2018/02/04/583122003/gowdy-there-s-going-to-be-a-russia-probe-even-without-a-dossier

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: May 22, 2020, 02:47:24 PM »
Doesn't look like that will be a problem for a long long time to come.

Quote
Doubts raised over Oxford coronavirus vaccine after ALL of the monkeys that took part in the trial are found to have contracted the disease
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8331709/Oxford-coronavirus-vaccine-does-not-stop-infection-experts-warn.html

From the looks of that, it might help reduce the severity of the disease, but will have no effect on spread.

Better than nothing, and a potential stopgap, but hopefully they come up with something better. Still early days.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: May 22, 2020, 01:59:34 PM »
Fair enough, And what if the allegations against Biden were mainly unfounded and were in fact Russian disinformation fed to Trumps campaign proxy  by Russian Intelligence, how would you feel about that dossier being used as the basis to wiretap Bidens campaign (and the agents involved did everything in the process to conceal the true origin of the document from the FISA court)

That's a separate issue. Investigate it, and if it is suspected there was deliberate wrong doing, prosecute those agents.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: May 22, 2020, 01:47:27 PM »
Wow-that’s some interpretation of “facts” J70. They commissioned it, they paid for it and they leaked it and it was (almost) all nonsense. It was used to rogue FBI agents to surveil an opponents campaign.

The fact you and everyone else on here don’t see anything wrong with this is very disturbing

If there is something wrong with my interpretation, address it.

So if the Trump campaign hires and pays an oppo research firm to go to the Ukraine and generate a dossier of unverified and outrageous allegations against Joe Biden you’ll be on board with that.

Then let’s say the Trump campaign (or the oppo research firm they employed), then shares that research with rogue elements within the FBI who then  use it as the basis for FISA warrants to wiretap the Biden campaign you’d also be on board with that.

Then let’s say these rogue FBI agents committed 17 “errors” during the FISA application process, which include forgery, perjury and concealment.....many of which were designed to conceal the true nature and origin of the dossier from the FISA judges  you’d be on board with that

And then to top it off the dossier becomes a key element to open a Special Counsel investigation of newly elected President Biden and anyone associated with him. The scope of the SC nvestigation is so broad that they can essentially go back decades and investigate all sorts of things completely unrelated to what’s in the dossier, you’ll be on board with that

If there was legitimate reason to believe that Biden was potentially compromised by or conspiring with the Ukranians to influence the election, I would have no problem with the FBI opening an investigation or with a campaign or the source their contractor worked with passing on such information for them to look at. If Biden subsequently stonewalled the investigation at every turn and tried to undermine it and dangle pardons to encourage non-cooperation, I would have no problem with the negative publicity and congressional oversight it would invite. I might not like the outcome in that it would strengthen the chances of having to live under Republican policies, many of which I find abhorrent, but that's a separate issue. You lie down with dogs, you might get fleas.

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General discussion / Re: Man Utd Thread:
« on: May 22, 2020, 01:07:24 PM »
Forgot today for the 12th anniversary of John Terry day

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=sTetzCGyZJ8

I went 52 hours without sleep travelling to/from Moscow but worth it all  :)

I was there also behind the goals with the penalties . Long aul day but a great day. Think it was a 4.30am flight out of Dublin. All day in Moscow and found a pub full of utd. The airport in Moscow going home was like a cattle market. I remember we were one of the last flights out before a storm shut them down for a few hours.

Sounds like we were on same flight, were you in the Hard Rock Cafe too by any chance  :). The game wasn't on til 22.45 local time, with the et and penos it didnt finish til after 2AM. I was sat beside a rep from travel company on the way home, he reckoned there were a few on the plane not from our group but he wasn't going to query it  ;D

 ;D ;D

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: May 22, 2020, 12:06:45 PM »
Wow-that’s some interpretation of “facts” J70. They commissioned it, they paid for it and they leaked it and it was (almost) all nonsense. It was used to rogue FBI agents to surveil an opponents campaign.

The fact you and everyone else on here don’t see anything wrong with this is very disturbing

If there is something wrong with my interpretation, address it.

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