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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: August 06, 2020, 09:28:39 PM »
J70-believe whatever your want

Conservatives have been getting a raw deal from the MSM for decades

We’re not even upset about it.....we expect nothing less

CNN, The WaPo and The NY Times are the lefts equivalent of Fox News....lacking a shred of credibility

And you believe what YOU want.

Its pretty clear that your foundational political beliefs are that the media is somehow out to get Republicans and conservatives and liberals and Democrats are nasty. And that that's about it.

When you view everything and anything through that prism, I suppose you would see malice and skullduggery lurking behind every liberal or media door.

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General discussion / Re: Ex Irish Footballer linked to 3m Hereoin bust
« on: August 06, 2020, 09:00:02 PM »
Should be interesting to see who it is.

Doubt if it will be a major star though.
Its not.

Word is out already?

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General discussion / Re: Ex Irish Footballer linked to 3m Hereoin bust
« on: August 06, 2020, 08:56:05 PM »
Should be interesting to see who it is.

Doubt if it will be a major star though.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: August 06, 2020, 07:05:39 PM »
So the people who posted about Trump and the Axios interview-were they outraged or were they just pointing out that Trump is a clown?

MSNBC and WaPo dissected the Axios interview today

I wonder will Joes train wreck interview this morning will get the same scrutiny from them tomorrow

You can point out that Biden is gaffe-prone and looks very frail at times (not exactly headline news) without your usual rant about the media and what they'd supposedly do with a hypothetical GOP politician.

And like it or not, Trump is the president NOW, at a time of national crisis, looking to be reelected, and his mendacity and ignorance is almost never challenged to his face and the results seen. THAT is why the Axios interview elicited such a reaction.

Joes a nice guy and a good guy but an absolute walking disaster

The media (from my vantage point) seem to be giving him a pass that they would never give ANY Republican. Absolute unapologetic character assassination of a decent people like Mitt Romney and John McCain during the 2008 and 2012 campaigns

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/opinion/campaign/404543-medias-praise-for-mccain-is-warranted-but-where-was-it-in-08%3famp

Cvnts is the only word I can use to describe them and I hope they get what’s coming to them

McCain deserved the negative coverage following the RNC in 2008.

HE thrashed around cluelessly as the financial crisis unfolded.

HE unleashed Sarah Palin and her proto-Trump brand of know-nothing, grievance-based politics and allowed his campaign to be taken over by her and her bigotted supporters (there was no GOP fervour for McCain - it was all for HER).

Was it a coincidence that men like John Lewis, formerly close, harshly criticized McCain during this period?

That Colin Powell, a major figure in the outgoing administration and fixture of GOP politics for more than a decade, endorsed his opponent following the emergence of Palin?

Maybe just for once you can look at the actual people and party themselves instead of always crying about media bias?

BS

They had him targeted long before Palin even entered the fray

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/03/the_beginning_of_the_demonizat.html

How the f**k does a couple of articles from the likes of Krugman and Dionne (VERY liberal opinion writers) about McCain's right wing voting record qualify as "character assassination" or a massive, unfair media campaign 'targeting" him?

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: August 06, 2020, 06:36:07 PM »
The NRA's reign of terror is about to come to an end! Slap it up them!

These allegations have surrounded LaPierre for years.

No doubt he'll try to spin it as partisan over-reach by a Democratic AG. One wonders who the members will hate more? The corrupt execs living large off their dues, or the mean black female Democratic politician from New York?

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: August 06, 2020, 06:29:17 PM »
/You can criticize Cuomo for certain things. His self-regard and spats with DeBlasio. His admin's decision to send recovering patients back to nursing homes to save hospital capacity was poorly judged, although understandable giving the panic over what was happening in Italy at the time. In retrospect he could have shut things down a few days earlier than he did.

I don't see how you can blame him for the community spread that took place in NY in February, leading to the explosion of cases in March. No one knew.

Cuomo has done a very good job overall since those initial mistakes though and led the state very calmly and maturely in dramatically reducing infection rates and deaths (a bit like Giuliani's leadership in the weeks after 9/11, before he turned back into a c**k) .

What excuse does Trump have? He's still in denial and pseudoscientific mode, undermining and sidelining his health professionals every chance he gets, spreading nonsense?

Or the governors of those states that have had the summer outbreaks?

You can't blame Trump and the Governors. As you acknowledge in the case of Cuomo, it's the Governors are responsible for local State logistical arrangements. Outside NY, NJ, CT and MA, most Governors have done well, regardless of recent outbreaks.

Trump can blather all he likes but unless there are Governors who are being somehow forced to follow his orders against their will, what they do then is out of his control. None of the worst-performing Governors have paid a blind bid of heed to him.

How can you say "they've done well regardless of recent outbreaks"?

They are lucky they didn't get hit earlier and thus a lot worse, before people started to learn about this thing. That they've been hit so badly five months in is inexcusable, and a failure of leadership in those places. NYC, being a world financial, tourist and travel hub and extremely densely populated, got hammered early due to the number of people coming in carrying the virus at the start of the outbreak, before they even knew what had hit them.

And Trump, in case you'd missed it, is the head of a personality cult involving more than a third of the country's population. If you think his rhetoric and conduct had nothing to do with the antipathy of his constituents towards restrictions, mask-wearing and public health professionals (including those on his own team), as well as the pressure felt by GOP politicians not to be seen breaking with him, then you're pretty clueless about the reality of US life.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: August 06, 2020, 04:58:27 PM »
/You can criticize Cuomo for certain things. His self-regard and spats with DeBlasio. His admin's decision to send recovering patients back to nursing homes to save hospital capacity was poorly judged, although understandable giving the panic over what was happening in Italy at the time. In retrospect he could have shut things down a few days earlier than he did.

I don't see how you can blame him for the community spread that took place in NY in February, leading to the explosion of cases in March. No one knew.

Cuomo has done a very good job overall since those initial mistakes though and led the state very calmly and maturely in dramatically reducing infection rates and deaths (a bit like Giuliani's leadership in the weeks after 9/11, before he turned back into a c**k) .

What excuse does Trump have? He's still in denial and pseudoscientific mode, undermining and sidelining his health professionals every chance he gets, spreading nonsense?

Or the governors of those states that have had the summer outbreaks?


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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: August 06, 2020, 03:42:26 PM »
So the people who posted about Trump and the Axios interview-were they outraged or were they just pointing out that Trump is a clown?

MSNBC and WaPo dissected the Axios interview today

I wonder will Joes train wreck interview this morning will get the same scrutiny from them tomorrow

You can point out that Biden is gaffe-prone and looks very frail at times (not exactly headline news) without your usual rant about the media and what they'd supposedly do with a hypothetical GOP politician.

And like it or not, Trump is the president NOW, at a time of national crisis, looking to be reelected, and his mendacity and ignorance is almost never challenged to his face and the results seen. THAT is why the Axios interview elicited such a reaction.

Joes a nice guy and a good guy but an absolute walking disaster

The media (from my vantage point) seem to be giving him a pass that they would never give ANY Republican. Absolute unapologetic character assassination of a decent people like Mitt Romney and John McCain during the 2008 and 2012 campaigns

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/opinion/campaign/404543-medias-praise-for-mccain-is-warranted-but-where-was-it-in-08%3famp

Cvnts is the only word I can use to describe them and I hope they get what’s coming to them

McCain deserved the negative coverage following the RNC in 2008.

HE thrashed around cluelessly as the financial crisis unfolded.

HE unleashed Sarah Palin and her proto-Trump brand of know-nothing, grievance-based politics and allowed his campaign to be taken over by her and her bigotted supporters (there was no GOP fervour for McCain - it was all for HER).

Was it a coincidence that men like John Lewis, formerly close, harshly criticized McCain during this period?

That Colin Powell, a major figure in the outgoing administration and fixture of GOP politics for more than a decade, endorsed his opponent following the emergence of Palin?

Maybe just for once you can look at the actual people and party themselves instead of always crying about media bias?




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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: August 06, 2020, 02:01:17 PM »
I wonder will Joes train wreck interview this morning will get the same scrutiny from them tomorrow

The only train wreck is in your little mind.

So it will be absolutely no surprise when it gets virtually no mention.


Haha-believe what you want

So was it widely mentioned?

Or did the dastardly left-wing-commie media operate in cahoots with the Mao-loving-Dems to keep it off the front cover of Pravda?

Don’t know or care

Got to keep the pressure on them big time though. Scream holy blue murder every time they don’t appear to be playing it down the middle.

Uh-huh.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: August 06, 2020, 02:00:52 PM »
So the people who posted about Trump and the Axios interview-were they outraged or were they just pointing out that Trump is a clown?

MSNBC and WaPo dissected the Axios interview today

I wonder will Joes train wreck interview this morning will get the same scrutiny from them tomorrow

You can point out that Biden is gaffe-prone and looks very frail at times (not exactly headline news) without your usual rant about the media and what they'd supposedly do with a hypothetical GOP politician.

And like it or not, Trump is the president NOW, at a time of national crisis, looking to be reelected, and his mendacity and ignorance is almost never challenged to his face and the results seen. THAT is why the Axios interview elicited such a reaction.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: August 05, 2020, 09:29:17 PM »
Since when is the stereotypical drug addict black?

First thing comes to mind for me is a grey, toothless, gaunt, malnourished white person, strung out on meth.

Cocaine specifically, I'm thinking smug Wall Street tosser.
the war on drugs is a war on black people I hear a lot ? Another fallacy ? I agree .

That is not at all what I said.

And the relative outcomes of state enforcement and actions against blacks and hispanics compared to whites for the same drug offences are pretty damning.

J70-if a white Republican asked an African American interviewer if he was a “junkie” all hell would break loose

If that is the case, you should probably thank 50 years of GOP policies and rhetoric.

I’m not thanking anyone for anything

If a Republican said what Crazy Uncle Joe said, people would be out of their minds with (faux) outrage

So you are outraged because no one is outraged that Biden said something that YOU maintain would have elicited a "faux" outrage response if said by a Republican. And you reject the fact that context, in terms of history, policy and rhetoric, has anything to do with public responses to issues like these.

Ok then.

Who said I’m outraged?

I’m pointing out that (a) Joe made a complete fool of himself during the interview and (b) that if a Republican said what Joe said, the media would accuse him of using a “dog whistle” and would have their hair in fire

If you're not outraged, then what are you banging on about it for? Supposed media bias is all you ever really talk about on this thread.

I only read the report in whatever link you posted. Didn't seem that big a deal in writing to me.

And AGAIN, if GOP politicians want to not be accused of dog whistling, then maybe they should stop dog whistling. They might start to get the benefit of the doubt then.

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General discussion / Re: Nuclear weapons
« on: August 05, 2020, 09:23:53 PM »
“We’ll end the war a year sooner now, and think of the kids who won’t be killed!”


That sentence stuck out for me. Think of the numbers that won’t be killed. But 135,000 Japanese lives? They obviously didn’t matter!

Those bombs were the most evil, barbaric act in history. Absolutely disgusting.

Were they more evil or barbaric than the fire bombing of Tokyo or Dresden?

Were they more evil or barbaric than the actions of the Einsatzgruppen at Babi Yar or numerous other eastern European locations, forcing people to line up, packed into their pit graves before being shot; mothers to hold their children up to be shot first; and teenage girls to strip naked and run the gauntlet on their way to the pit for execution?

Were they more evil or barbaric than the industrialized murder of millions of Jew, Roma and other "undesirables" in the NAZI extermination camps?

What is the purpose of these questions? Nuclear weapons are even more indiscriminate than the holocaust. A nuclear warhead doesn't demand to see you papers and confirm that you're a Jew before detonating, they just incinerate all men, women, children, and babies within their kill radius. Yes, I think the use of nuclear weapons is pretty damn evil and hard to top. Maybe Genghis Khan came close when he massacred entire cities, if you're looking for a historical parallel.

If we are talking barbarity, it all depends on what parameter you want to use.

To me, I would sure as hell rather die an instantaneous death from a nuclear blast than be rounded up, marched to a large pit already filled with bodies and made stand on the edge, waiting my turn, holding my baby, or lie down on the other corpses before being shot (this was the fate of thousands and thousands at the hands of the Einsatzgruppen). Obviously, a nuclear blast has major implications for those who survive the initial blast, but then again, so does any bombing, not least the firebomb campaigns.

Personally, the only moral issue at play for me is how genuinely Truman and his advisors believed the atom bomb was necessary to end the war quickly and not just a shot across the bow of Stalin. If it was to save the lives of American soldiers, I have no issue with that.

People who know a hell of a lot more than I do have been arguing about this for decades, and probably will for many more.

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General discussion / Re: Nuclear weapons
« on: August 05, 2020, 09:06:23 PM »
“We’ll end the war a year sooner now, and think of the kids who won’t be killed!”


That sentence stuck out for me. Think of the numbers that won’t be killed. But 135,000 Japanese lives? They obviously didn’t matter!

Those bombs were the most evil, barbaric act in history. Absolutely disgusting.

Were they more evil or barbaric than the fire bombing of Tokyo or Dresden?

Were they more evil or barbaric than the actions of the Einsatzgruppen at Babi Yar or numerous other eastern European locations, forcing people to line up, packed into their pit graves before being shot; mothers to hold their children up to be shot first; and teenage girls to strip naked and run the gauntlet on their way to the pit for execution?

Were they more evil or barbaric than the industrialized murder of millions of Jew, Roma and other "undesirables" in the NAZI extermination camps?

What is the purpose of these questions?

Benny Cake's bolded statement.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: August 05, 2020, 09:05:11 PM »
Since when is the stereotypical drug addict black?

First thing comes to mind for me is a grey, toothless, gaunt, malnourished white person, strung out on meth.

Cocaine specifically, I'm thinking smug Wall Street tosser.
the war on drugs is a war on black people I hear a lot ? Another fallacy ? I agree .

That is not at all what I said.

And the relative outcomes of state enforcement and actions against blacks and hispanics compared to whites for the same drug offences are pretty damning.

J70-if a white Republican asked an African American interviewer if he was a “junkie” all hell would break loose

If that is the case, you should probably thank 50 years of GOP policies and rhetoric.

I’m not thanking anyone for anything

If a Republican said what Crazy Uncle Joe said, people would be out of their minds with (faux) outrage

So you are outraged because no one is outraged that Biden said something that YOU maintain would have elicited a "faux" outrage response if said by a Republican. And you reject the fact that context, in terms of history, policy and rhetoric, has anything to do with public responses to issues like these.

Ok then.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: August 05, 2020, 08:49:55 PM »
Since when is the stereotypical drug addict black?

First thing comes to mind for me is a grey, toothless, gaunt, malnourished white person, strung out on meth.

Cocaine specifically, I'm thinking smug Wall Street tosser.
the war on drugs is a war on black people I hear a lot ? Another fallacy ? I agree .

That is not at all what I said.

And the relative outcomes of state enforcement and actions against blacks and hispanics compared to whites for the same drug offences are pretty damning.

J70-if a white Republican asked an African American interviewer if he was a “junkie” all hell would break loose

If that is the case, you should probably thank 50 years of GOP policies and rhetoric.

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