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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: Today at 07:35:47 PM »
Apparently they've already removed references to climate change from the White House website. LBGT stuff too.

Promising start to the age of delusion and conspiracy theory!

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: Today at 07:28:55 PM »
His Secretary of State to be was making noise about preventing the Chinese from accessing those islands they built in the South China Sea.

How he is going to go about remains to be seen.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: Today at 07:27:11 PM »
As speeches go thats about the worst i seen from an incoming president! Start as you mean to continue! If he sees out the first 2 years he do well! How excately is he going to get these jobs all bck when america up to the balls in debt to the chinese! It not affect him; he still be a billionaire in 4 yrs time

Word is he himself is also up to his balls in debt to the Chinese!

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General discussion / Re: American Sports Thread
« on: Today at 12:10:04 PM »
Anyone here into the baseball?

Bonds and Clemens miss out on the Hall of Fame again due to their steroid issues, despite rumours that they'd make it this time.

Curt Schilling misses out because he is a loudmouth moron who said, among other things, that baseball journalists should be lynched!

Now I can't stand the guy, not because he is conservative, but because he is as dumb as a bag of hammers and spews ridiculous, incoherent, bigoted, inflammatory nonsense. That said, shouldn't it be his exploits ON the field by which he is judged in these things?

By all accounts he was one of the best play-off pitchers ever, outspoken against drug use as a player, and not in any way under suspicion for having corrupted the game itself. That he is a sorry excuse for a human being shouldn't come into it, especially given the checkered private lives of many already voted in.

If it were just what happened on the field of play, Pete Rose should be in. In Schilling's case, he may just not be hall of fame worthy, especially with all the other baggage.

As for Bonds and Clements, it's a hard one. I'm not a bit sorry for them, with their drug history, but I'm sure there's others in Cooperstown who are there with the help of a chemistry set or two. Maybe they should just build a wing for the 90s and 00s, and put a big Asterix beside all their names, and call it the 'Drug Years' wing. Sosa, McGwire, Bonds, Clements, A Rod and a pile more could be in there. Wouldn't be their first bust anyway.
so you don't have an opposition to Pudge Rodriquez getting in? A great catcher, named in Cansecos book and without a doubt a known steroid user. He gets in first ballot ??
Bonds was a better player....

The mere fact you mentioned hating Schilling,not because he was a conservative means you hated him because he is a conservative, it's at least part of the equation!

The man was nails in the playoffs, he is one of the best pitchers of all time and he honored the game in the way he conducted himself, what more do you need?

I don't dislike Schilling because he is a conservative.

I dislike Schilling because he comes out with false, inflammatory, hateful, half-baked, conspiratorial, moronic nonsense.

Unless you're saying that the views and statements of Schilling are typical, respectable positions for conservatives to hold?

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GAA Discussion / Re: McKenna Cup 2017
« on: Today at 11:00:50 AM »
It's a balls of a competition anyways, apart from Tyrone who gives a shit - fair play to Donegal giving the U21's a run out.

What benefit exactly would either Donegal seniors or U21 team get from shipping a 23 point hammering last night? And you are praising this policy? Mickey may take it seriously but he always gives 4 or 5 new players a run in each game. Much better to see how they perform in a competitive environment than the shambles that was Donegal last night. It always makes me laugh when people criticize a team for winning matches.


The issue in Donegal is giving the senior squad a rest. The younger seniors are getting runs out with their colleges anyway, whereas the McKenna Cup is of f**k all benefit to the likes of Neil Gallagher, Neil McGee, Karl Lacey or Frank McGlynn. A fair few of these U-21s have an opportunity to push for a senior spot this year and next, because we're heading into a transition period with the retirements and a couple of boys opting out. Plus, there is probably a bit of a jaded view of this competition in Donegal anyway - we won it twice under John Joe Doherty when no one else gave a bollocks, and John Joe's two year term, with all due respect, was not impressive (I've sympathy for him down to the way he got the appointment with the insanity over himself and Mulgrew/Bonner both being promised the job, but we ended each season with the Cork and Crossmaglen debacles, respectively, and a general appearance of tactical cluelessness all around).

I say fair play to Mickey though. It hasn't hurt Tyrone taking it seriously and, as you say, has probably helped overall in that they'll be well ready for the league, whereas the Donegal seniors are likely to be a bit rusty. If it helps freshen the legs in July though, who'll remember?

Giving a run out to three or four U21s is fair enough but to enter your U21 squad into a senior competition? Come on now.

Donegal wouldn't be alone for resting their more senior seniors however surely Donegal have a enough lads aged 23 or older to fill in and given a opportunity to impress at this time of year.

Out of last year's starting 15, O'Reilly, McBrearty, the two McHughs and Hugh McFadden all played for their colleges (there are probably a few more, and yet more from U-21s). Thompson, McLoone and MacNiallais are on break. Toye, Eamon McGee, Colm McFadden and Rory Kavanagh are retired. David Walsh, just a bit player lately, is gone too. That pretty much leaves Murphy, McGlynn, Neil McGee, Lacey and Neil Gallagher who are resting this month and then one or two young lads who featured. There's not a lot more there. 14 U21s are on the senior squad.

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General discussion / Re: American Sports Thread
« on: Today at 10:50:16 AM »
But the issue with Rose is that he was betting on games, including games he was playing or managing in. That is potentially influencing results.

Schilling is a moron, but there are no questions about his conduct with respect to the integrity of the sport.

I understand all that, but steroid use is *definitely* influencing results.

And that is why Clements and Bonds didn't make it. Rodriguez probably never will given his conduct in terms if falsely impugning the reputations of multiple people when he was in fact guilty (a bit like Lance Armstrong in that respect).

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General discussion / Re: American Sports Thread
« on: Today at 10:46:06 AM »
But the issue with Rose is that he was betting on games, including games he was playing or managing in. That is potentially influencing results.

Schilling is a moron, but there are no questions about his conduct with respect to the integrity of the sport.

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GAA Discussion / Re: McKenna Cup 2017
« on: January 19, 2017, 07:00:50 PM »
It's a balls of a competition anyways, apart from Tyrone who gives a shit - fair play to Donegal giving the U21's a run out.

What benefit exactly would either Donegal seniors or U21 team get from shipping a 23 point hammering last night? And you are praising this policy? Mickey may take it seriously but he always gives 4 or 5 new players a run in each game. Much better to see how they perform in a competitive environment than the shambles that was Donegal last night. It always makes me laugh when people criticize a team for winning matches.

Made no sense at all for Donegal to throw their U21s into a senior competition. A trimming like that last night was always possible and the Donegal U21s who would have been one of the favourites to win the All Ireland this spring will now have a damaged mindset and probably get turned over in Ulster

Or they might head into Omagh in March with fire in their bellies! :)

Plus, Donegal seniors have been hammered by Tyrone in the McKenna before and got revenge later in the spring/summer when it mattered.

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GAA Discussion / Re: McKenna Cup 2017
« on: January 19, 2017, 06:59:21 PM »
It's a balls of a competition anyways, apart from Tyrone who gives a shit - fair play to Donegal giving the U21's a run out.

What benefit exactly would either Donegal seniors or U21 team get from shipping a 23 point hammering last night? And you are praising this policy? Mickey may take it seriously but he always gives 4 or 5 new players a run in each game. Much better to see how they perform in a competitive environment than the shambles that was Donegal last night. It always makes me laugh when people criticize a team for winning matches.

The issue in Donegal is giving the senior squad a rest. The younger seniors are getting runs out with their colleges anyway, whereas the McKenna Cup is of f**k all benefit to the likes of Neil Gallagher, Neil McGee, Karl Lacey or Frank McGlynn. A fair few of these U-21s have an opportunity to push for a senior spot this year and next, because we're heading into a transition period with the retirements and a couple of boys opting out. Plus, there is probably a bit of a jaded view of this competition in Donegal anyway - we won it twice under John Joe Doherty when no one else gave a bollocks, and John Joe's two year term, with all due respect, was not impressive (I've sympathy for him down to the way he got the appointment with the insanity over himself and Mulgrew/Bonner both being promised the job, but we ended each season with the Cork and Crossmaglen debacles, respectively, and a general appearance of tactical cluelessness all around).

I say fair play to Mickey though. It hasn't hurt Tyrone taking it seriously and, as you say, has probably helped overall in that they'll be well ready for the league, whereas the Donegal seniors are likely to be a bit rusty. If it helps freshen the legs in July though, who'll remember?

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: January 19, 2017, 05:05:21 PM »
Lucas is fine on the ball.

Its the idiotic fouls on the edge of the box that are the problem with him.

Moreno just isn't a defender. Doesn't have the discipline or concentration or intelligence for it. Maybe wingback or left midfield.

Henderson is doing just fine.

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General discussion / Re: American Sports Thread
« on: January 19, 2017, 02:21:16 PM »
Anyone here into the baseball?

Bonds and Clemens miss out on the Hall of Fame again due to their steroid issues, despite rumours that they'd make it this time.

Curt Schilling misses out because he is a loudmouth moron who said, among other things, that baseball journalists should be lynched!

Now I can't stand the guy, not because he is conservative, but because he is as dumb as a bag of hammers and spews ridiculous, incoherent, bigoted, inflammatory nonsense. That said, shouldn't it be his exploits ON the field by which he is judged in these things?

By all accounts he was one of the best play-off pitchers ever, outspoken against drug use as a player, and not in any way under suspicion for having corrupted the game itself. That he is a sorry excuse for a human being shouldn't come into it, especially given the checkered private lives of many already voted in.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: January 18, 2017, 03:34:31 PM »
There will be some crying now Chelsea Manning's sentence has been commuted.

I thought the whole wikileaks thing was now considered heroic on the right?

Yeah they all love wikileaks now since it helped them win the election... you couldn't make it up!!!
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Meanwhile at the ranch, The President of the US commutes the sentence of someone who sold state secrets, some of you have no shame ffs! Forget republican or Democrat for the moment, who the f**k does that? and how can you justify it?

If the American people are not outraged about this what would it take to get them outraged???

1. Did Manning sell this info or merely leak it?

2. I've mixed feelings about the likes of Manning and Snowden. Is it such a bad thing if the whistle is blown on government cover-ups of military f**k-ups and misconduct and warrant-less phone tapping and the likes? Outing agents and so forth is a different matter.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: January 18, 2017, 02:20:44 PM »
Like I said, if and when those people or yourself have something specific or substantive to offer rather than vague platitudes lamenting the alienation of these people, which has been ongoing for decades, I'll absolutely listen and discuss.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: January 18, 2017, 02:08:33 AM »
There will be some crying now Chelsea Manning's sentence has been commuted.

I thought the whole wikileaks thing was now considered heroic on the right?

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: January 18, 2017, 02:07:26 AM »
It's not just me saying it......you just have your head in the sand and can't face reality.  It's going to be a very long 4 years for you

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/bernie-sanders-humiliated-democrats-working-class-231326

"It is not good enough to have a liberal elite. I come from the white working class, and I am deeply humiliated that the Democratic Party cannot talk to the people where I came from.

Saying WHAT though??

No doubt Bernie wants stuff such as increased public assistance to combat poverty and addiction, single-payer healthcare, free public college and so forth. We know what HE thinks the Dems need to double down on.

I'm pretty sure what HE wants is diametrically opposed to what YOU, a conservative, thinks these people want from their government.

The question is what YOU think they need to do. I've laid out a list of options on which white conservatives, including working class, oppose the Democrats. So what do they need to change their approach on?

So I have now given you direct quotes from both Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden stating that the elite of the Democratic Party has turned its back on and cannot speak to the regular working people and you're still in denial that that's why you lost the election

While all the issues you list are the MOST important issues to the progressive wing of the party, my guess is that the swing voters in the swing states are more interested in jobs, education, healthcare, public safety, and college affordability.

Whitey, seriously, why bother?

Your last paragraph illustrates beautifully the confusion in the ranks of the rank and file and the disconnect between the Democratic people and the upper echelon people who are completely and utterly out of touch with their base.

You can lead a horse to water and all that but the fact is, as bad as Trump is, Clinton and the democrats are worse, you just need to look at the last eight years and the way they campaigned for the presidency, I am delighted to say they got what they deserved, not in Trump, but in losing the election, and no matter how good or bad Trump is, the country spoke and they threw the democrats out on their collective holes!

Why bother indeed when details and specifics are asked for, same as yourself.

Well we all can't see I,to the future like yourself, sure the Donald is going to tuck everything up, catch youself on man dear, be .canot be any worse than the gimp leaving office in a couple of days.

The white working class screwed nobody, they simply knew the crats took their votes as a given.

Is this a response to me?

What has any of that got to do with whitey perpetually telling us the Dems and us liberals need to cop on, but how exactly we should address our apparent issues is a mystery?

I never said the working class screwed anyone.

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