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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: Today at 03:29:27 PM »
And he still couldn't make the Germany squad?

Good but inconsistent.

Klopp decided to freeze him out when he knew he was leaving. Thereís too many options in Germany they donít need to pick players who arenít match fit, Neuer being the exception. Ffs, they didnít pick Sane, the reigning EPL YPotY either.

Can was injured for the last two or three months of the season. Liverpool were down to a skeleton crew the last month, especially in midfield. He would absolutely have played, if he had been available. Can and Lallana both came on in the Champions League Final when only half fit. Klopp had been playing him consistently up until he got hurt.

Can came on with minutes left. Hardly a show of faith in him. Itís somewhat natural that heíd be frozen out for other players who will be there next season, J70. But in the end Can is a better player than Henderson or AOC/Lalana so Liverpool made a balls of the Can situation.

Not arguing that they might have done more to keep him, but apparently he didnít like the attacking role Klopp wanted him in, so what are you going to do? But he would absolutely have played, if available, in April and May. Those minutes in the Final were his first in a Liverpool shirt in months as he was only starting to work his way back. Had it not been the final, he might not have been risked at all as he was nowhere near match fit. Lallana was similar, although he at least got 15 minutes against Brighton in the last league game.

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General discussion / Re: Biggest Sh*t Stirrers
« on: Today at 03:22:55 PM »
Parkinson is grand, the only shit stirring he seems to do is with Carlow and he seems to have a Brollyesque grudge for that Poacher fella.

I like Parkinsonís podcast.

That was a very enjoyable one he did last night from Letterkenny, with Devenney, Kevin Cassidy and Marty McGrath, and then Eamon McGee, Oisin McConville and Raymie Gallagher. Lots of good and funny stories, especially Devenney telling all about the goings on of the Donegal squad in Donegal Town after the (I think) 2004 Ulster Final.

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: Today at 03:17:53 PM »
And he still couldn't make the Germany squad?

Good but inconsistent.

Klopp decided to freeze him out when he knew he was leaving. Thereís too many options in Germany they donít need to pick players who arenít match fit, Neuer being the exception. Ffs, they didnít pick Sane, the reigning EPL YPotY either.

Can was injured for the last two or three months of the season. Liverpool were down to a skeleton crew the last month, especially in midfield. He would absolutely have played, if he had been available. Can and Lallana both came on in the Champions League Final when only half fit. Klopp had been playing him consistently up until he got hurt.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: June 21, 2018, 08:26:55 PM »
No answer to my question, whitey?  I really would like to know from what specific sources you get your information.

Apologies, I've been on the road since 4:30 am and in back to back meetings all mornings.

It's very easy....if I hear something on CNN (or Patriot or Urban or MSNBC) while I'm driving in the car and I want to get the differing viewpoint I will then google the topic and WSJ/NY Times/The Hill/The Atlantic/Forbes/Bloomberg/WAPO etc.  Then I typically read about 4 articles-2 from each side of the argument and if I have the time I'll read the comments.

Oh....I also read books. So far this year I've read Bernies book, George H Bush's book of all his correspondence, Gamechange about Obamas election, Jimmy Carters autobiography

ďPatriotĒ Radio.... :o


I can only imagine... ;D

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: June 21, 2018, 02:28:18 PM »
There was a segment on CBS world news ( not exactly a trump love fest), but they interviewed a poor woman from along the border, who was thinking of crossing  the border with her grandson , but now was afraid to in case they would be separated.
Reporter asked her why she was going to US , she replied, ď the Cartels have killed the rest of my family and she was afraid to stay. ď  is that also Trumpís fault ?
I also think it is terrible separating families, but if folks believe that all the blame lies with Trump, they are off their rocker.
The liberal media in the US are scrambling right now for anything negative.
The economy is booming, unemployment is at 3.8% , ie, full employment
the FBI nonsense is coming to a head , and they need something to distract the American people about feeling good about themselves.
There isn't full employment. the labor participation rate never recovered from 2008
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000

Most of the new jobs don't pay much either.
If the economy was booming the Fed wouldn't be in charge

Do you live in the US,
If not how can you be an expert on what new jobs pay. What do you define as not much.

I do not agree with everything Trump is doing, but I can tell you that the US economy is booming, main reasons;
Individual tax cuts, corporate tax cuts and a whole lot less regulation, all of which are encouraging businesses especially small ones to expand.

Main reasons? It's all Trump and what he has done?

So how do you explain the GDP growth rates? Where are the Trump inflection points on these long terms trends?



https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp-growth

Unemployment trends


https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

Stock market


https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/stock-market

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Almost every game he is cleaned out of it at least once.

Unless most small players in the competition receives the same abuse, one is forced to wonder how much of it is intentional.

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I do not see why after what happened to Monaghan.

On the Donegal front, Bonner had some comments on the ďtreatmentĒ Ryan McHugh receives.

http://www.donegalsporthub.com/hes-targeted-time-needs-looked-declan-bonner-ryan-mchugh

I didnít realize Down received THREE black cards for fouls on him!

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: June 21, 2018, 12:29:11 PM »
What I do find hilarious about all this is how all US media keeps saying that "this is not what America stands for". The constant need for Americans to proclaim themselves as a great country unique in its virtue.

It's the opposite. It's a country that was built on genocide, slavery, racism, bigotry and colonialism. It was built on an absolutely rotten past and has a rotten present. And yet it still keeps trying to fool itself that it wasn't and isn't.

The US should take a look at Germany, and learn to confront its past and admit to itself that the notion of "American exceptionalism", "unique American virtue", that it is a "shining city on the hill" is so much utter nonsense. It's national self-delusion on a grand scale.

Americans aren't oblivious to the darker side of its past (and present). Liberals are constantly mocked by the right for "white guilt" and a whole movement is in progress on parts of the right to try to get a more pro-America or America-right-or-wrong version of history into schools, with curricula coming out of places like Texas which attempt to downplay the role and horrors of slavery and the Native American genocide and dispossession and so on (similar to their attempts to corrupt science teaching). And I'm sure you remember the right getting apoplectic over Obama's "apology tour" after he took office, when he committed what they perceived as the traitorous sin of acknowledging the US's poor choices and policies at times over the years.

The "we're America, bitch" (literal words from a White House official last week to describe the "Trump doctrine"!) element is definitely a dominant feature of, at least, the running of the country right now, but I think its correct to point out that, at least from an aspirational perspective, the cruelty and bigotryof the Trump administration, embodied in the separation and segregation of families, is NOT what America stands for and is partly why, for the first time, he was forced to back down in the face of the furious backlash.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: June 21, 2018, 10:00:02 AM »
There was a segment on CBS world news ( not exactly a trump love fest), but they interviewed a poor woman from along the border, who was thinking of crossing  the border with her grandson , but now was afraid to in case they would be separated.
Reporter asked her why she was going to US , she replied, ď the Cartels have killed the rest of my family and she was afraid to stay. ď  is that also Trumpís fault ?
I also think it is terrible separating families, but if folks believe that all the blame lies with Trump, they are off their rocker.
The liberal media in the US are scrambling right now for anything negative.
The economy is booming, unemployment is at 3.8% , ie, full employment
the FBI nonsense is coming to a head , and they need something to distract the American people about feeling good about themselves.

The blame for Trump is for the vindictive, callous family separation policy. That was his decision. No one elseís. Obama didnít do it, Dubya didnít do it, Reagan didnít do it.

And if you donít think this issue is newsworthy, that says a lot about you.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: June 20, 2018, 06:02:15 PM »
Well, headlines say he is going to sign an order to stop splitting the families up.

I wonder who or what turned him?

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: June 20, 2018, 04:24:26 PM »
There are hundreds of millions of people living in third world conditions in countries that share either a direct or indirect land border with the US. Do you think he should encourage or discourage people from these count to come here illegally?

Illegal immigration should be deterred but not by separating kids from their families, there are many other means to do it!!

There you go a simple answer to a simple question be careful your brain doesn't explode because it's not something you've been able to do yourself previously!!

Did I ever say I agreed with it....quite the opposite

What Im saying, and you can agree or disagree with me, is that the media struck out on their first two attempts to hammer Trump on immigration. This one is working because tecnhically Obama didnt do this.

If I understand correctly (and feel free to correct me), Obama modified an existing law, so that these families either need to be released or separated. You dont need to be a rocket scientist to figure out which option Trump is going to take

Obama put kids in cages and he ďlostĒ kids, but no outrage over that for the past eight years.....wonder why?

What part of ripping toddlers and babies from their mothers do you not understand??

Thereís no ďtechnicallyĒ here. Obama DIDNíT do it.

This has nothing to do with Obama. This has enraged people because most people are at least somewhat empathetic and horrified by the thought of having their kids taken away.

You know, they can put themselves on those peopleís shoes.

Obama, like most presidents, has some level of morality and ethics. Trump does not.

IF Obama had done it, there would be massive outrage, and justifiably so.

This is not a political matter for most people. Itís a moral matter.

That anyone would defend or resort to whataboutery to downplay it is a f**king disgrace.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: June 20, 2018, 03:37:29 PM »
There are hundreds of millions of people living in third world conditions in countries that share either a direct or indirect land border with the US. Do you think he should encourage or discourage people from these count to come here illegally?

You pose that question as if anything short of ripping breastfeeding babies and young kids away from their parents and segregating them in detention centers is encouraging illegal immigration.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: June 20, 2018, 02:39:59 PM »
Haha-Believe whatever you want.


Let's see if the Democrats are serious about fixing the problem or if they're happy to continue using these people as pawns to hammer Trump

We have no fvckin idea who's crossing the border and that needs to end. A few years ago a "teenager" who was enrolled in school actually ended up being 25years old. Would you like your 12 year old daughter or son going to school with a 25 year old man who no one knows nothing about.

I know, I sure as hell wouldn't and if you think that's rascist, well good for you

And you still canít condemn tearing young kids away from their mother. Given that you are fond of the anecdote, there are stories going around about parents showing up with papers, handing them over to the CBP, only to then be passed on to ICE, who say tough shit, we are taking your kids away because you donít have your papers. Or the breast feeding woman. Or the Down Syndrome kid...

But the obvious default should be that a young child and mother being traumatically separated is most probably a legitimate parent-child relationship and if they must be detained then it should be as a family. The whole segregation policy is, as Sessions says, designed to intimidate people into not coming. It is all about numbers and being seen to be tough. They donít give a shit about the humanity and dignity of the actual people.

Assuming you have kids yourself I cannot fathom how you cannot empathize with what these people, especially the kids, must be going through. I have a six and a four year old - my four year old gets distraught if she is left in the car for ten seconds on her own. These kids end up in cages (sorry, chicken wire-enclosed rooms) with no prospect of when theyíll see their parents.

As for lecturing us on your knowledge and our apparent brainwashing by the liberal media, you are beyond even Ted Cruz and Franklin Graham on this issue (Ted f**king Cruz is the voice of reason!!). Youíre in Ann Coulter/Fox News/Breitbart territory.

As for the Democrats, they were all ready to work with Trump for a deal including DACA until he blew the whole thing up (remember Trump gushing about Chuck and Nancy?). They passed a bill in 2013 which wasnít even brought up for a vote in the House. Obama would have signed it. The Dems would have worked with Bush in the mid2000s, but the Fox News/talk radio crowd blew the GOP efforts up over ďamnestyĒ. The GOP kicked and screamed when Obama introduced DACA, a very reasonable and pragmatic policy to deal with a real and present human problem.

So spare us your bullshit over the Dems and look at your own f**king side and the reality that a callous, sociopathic wannabe strongman who built his movement on scapegoating and fear mongering of minorities and immigrants has taken over the conservative movement ( because we know youíre not a Republican) and is overseeing the abuse of poor families so he can use them to blackmail the opposition into giving him what he wants.

Who said I didnt sympathize.....all Im saying is that theres more to this than the media would let you believe. They ran with the Trump has lost 1500 children bvllshit a few weeks ago. Then they moved on to the kids in cages scandal.....which ended up having happened under Obamas watch.....now theyre onto this. See how the narrative has changed in a couple of weeks......read the LA Tomes link I posted earlier

There may be very good reasons to separate SOME ďfamiliesĒ if theres reasonable suspicion that the kids are being trafficked. Legitimate family units should NOT be separated

Do you think all these people have spanking new passports and veirifable identification when they reach the border

But of course, if I dont agree with every nuance and caveat thats being doled out Im a rascist, know nothing cvnt

You havenít said you sympathize.

All you are doing to furiously trying to change the subject and trying to draw a false equivalency between this active policy which is impacting so many lives and a wires-crossed story a month ago which conflated the current outrage with the government losing track of other kids. As if that f**k-up somehow made it all ok and gave Trump full license to do what he wanted to these families.

And legitimate families ARE being separated. Thatís the whole f**king point. If youíre in doubt, default to legitimate unless there is a valid reason to suspect otherwise. You can always monitor, examine them given that theyíll be in custody. Kids, especially young ones, are brutally honest.

But Trump is forcing EVERYONE to be separated so that others will be too scared to come. Itís all a numbers game. These people are dehumanized in his eyes.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: June 20, 2018, 02:28:11 PM »

You guys are swallowing all  the propaganda hook line and sinker
Says the most gullible sheep on the forum. Lolzers.

I was right on Trump, I was right on Brexit.....the left wing media are feeding you nonsense and you're gullible enough to believe it

But Believe whatever you want....I spend about 6 hours a day in the car listening to political shows....split evenly between right and left leaning. Then I do more research when I go home

I have a tremendous grasp of the issues....far beyond the sheeple on here who regurgitate whatever they hear on CNN or read in the NY Times

No you don't. If you think putting children as young as 5 and 6 in a cage is the answer to the US immigration problem, you clearly don't understand any issues at all.

5 or 6 .... try 3 months old

Where was the outrage when Obama put unaccompanied minors in cages?????? 

The pictures are all over the internet, and the left actually had the nerve to try and blame it on Trump a couple of weeks ago.

It selective outrage at its best, but it does seem to be working for the Democrats

Now you are just being dishonest.

The primary issue here is the separation and segregation of families.

And as usual, all you really care about is that the Dems arenít getting the blame.

Slam Obama and his admin over cages, by all means, but it also means you will finally have to have the decency to condemn Trumps use of them to house young kids who have just been brutally separated from their families.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: June 20, 2018, 02:00:48 PM »
Haha-Believe whatever you want.


Let's see if the Democrats are serious about fixing the problem or if they're happy to continue using these people as pawns to hammer Trump

We have no fvckin idea who's crossing the border and that needs to end. A few years ago a "teenager" who was enrolled in school actually ended up being 25years old. Would you like your 12 year old daughter or son going to school with a 25 year old man who no one knows nothing about.

I know, I sure as hell wouldn't and if you think that's rascist, well good for you

And you still canít condemn tearing young kids away from their mother. Given that you are fond of the anecdote, there are stories going around about parents showing up with papers, handing them over to the CBP, only to then be passed on to ICE, who say tough shit, we are taking your kids away because you donít have your papers. Or the breast feeding woman. Or the Down Syndrome kid...

But the obvious default should be that a young child and mother being traumatically separated is most probably a legitimate parent-child relationship and if they must be detained then it should be as a family. The whole segregation policy is, as Sessions says, designed to intimidate people into not coming. It is all about numbers and being seen to be tough. They donít give a shit about the humanity and dignity of the actual people.

Assuming you have kids yourself I cannot fathom how you cannot empathize with what these people, especially the kids, must be going through. I have a six and a four year old - my four year old gets distraught if she is left in the car for ten seconds on her own. These kids end up in cages (sorry, chicken wire-enclosed rooms) with no prospect of when theyíll see their parents.

As for lecturing us on your knowledge and our apparent brainwashing by the liberal media, you are beyond even Ted Cruz and Franklin Graham on this issue (Ted f**king Cruz is the voice of reason!!). Youíre in Ann Coulter/Fox News/Breitbart territory.

As for the Democrats, they were all ready to work with Trump for a deal including DACA until he blew the whole thing up (remember Trump gushing about Chuck and Nancy?). They passed a bill in 2013 which wasnít even brought up for a vote in the House. Obama would have signed it. The Dems would have worked with Bush in the mid2000s, but the Fox News/talk radio crowd blew the GOP efforts up over ďamnestyĒ. The GOP kicked and screamed when Obama introduced DACA, a very reasonable and pragmatic policy to deal with a real and present human problem.

So spare us your bullshit over the Dems and look at your own f**king side and the reality that a callous, sociopathic wannabe strongman who built his movement on scapegoating and fear mongering of minorities and immigrants has taken over the conservative movement ( because we know youíre not a Republican) and is overseeing the abuse of poor families so he can use them to blackmail the opposition into giving him what he wants.

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