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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: July 29, 2021, 12:21:42 PM »
#JFT97

Sad to hear another died all these years later from injuries he suffered at 22.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: July 29, 2021, 12:09:24 PM »
What do you lads get out of this? Does it make you happy?

It doesn't make me unhappy! :)

More seriously, do you think people spreading utter nonsense, including on something as important as covid, should be allowed to unchallenged, even if its just in our tiny corner of the internet? You seem to think otherwise on the covid thread.

We have a decent enough discussion board here, for the most part. Standard of debate and discussion is vital to that, which means lies and bullshit need to be called out.

Sensible people can differ on economics or moral or religious issues or whatever. There has to be a line though when it comes to spreading patently false misinformation.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: July 28, 2021, 07:06:48 PM »
How long until we hear about THIS fuckwit getting seriously ill and his "church" having an outbreak among his congregation?

No doubt his stance (assuming its real - wouldn't surprise me, to be honest, if he HAS been vaccinated) is mostly about donations and getting fame on Fox News and the like.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/07/27/tennessee-pastor-greg-locke-masks/

Evangelical pastor demands churchgoers ditch their masks: ‘Don’t believe this delta variant nonsense’

Since the early months of the coronavirus pandemic, Greg Locke, the pastor at a Nashville-area church, has repeatedly called covid a hoax, undermined emergency mandates and refused to comply with guidance from public health officials.

This week, Locke took his defiance a step further, making a sharp warning regarding mask-wearing.

If “you start showing up [with] all these masks and all this nonsense, I will ask you to leave,” Locke, 45, told scores of Global Vision Bible Church parishioners during his sermon on Sunday. His statement was followed by cheers and applause.

“I am not playing these Democrat games up in this church,” he added.

Global Vision Bible Church did not immediately respond to The Washington Post’s request for comment.

Locke’s fiery five-minute diatribe, in which he also denied the existence of the delta variant, comes as vaccination rates in his home state slow and infection rates climb. So far, about 44 percent of Tennesseans have received at least one dose of the vaccine, according to The Post’s vaccine tracker, making it among the states with the lowest rate. The state recently reported that 98 percent of people who died of covid and 97 percent of covid hospitalizations are among the unvaccinated.

The vaccine rollout in Tennessee made national headlines after the controversial firing of the state’s top immunization official, Michelle Fiscus, on July 12. Fiscus’s firing was the casualty of the Tennessee Department of Health’s campaign to encourage teenagers to get vaccinated against the coronavirus. The effort attracted ire from Republican state lawmakers.

In an interview with WTVF on Monday, Fiscus said Tenn. Gov. Bill Lee (R) consistently resisted the state’s promotion of the vaccine.

“I feel like the [health] department was gagged,” she said.

Locke’s evangelical church in Mt. Juliet, Tenn., about 20 miles east of downtown Nashville, has grown during the pandemic, CNN reported. The pastor’s controversial commentary on covid and the 2020 presidential election has attracted far-right churchgoers.

During a sermon last month, Locke called President Biden a fraud and “a sex trafficking, demon-possessed mongrel,” a reference to QAnon, an extremist ideology based on false claims.

He has also falsely claimed that the pandemic is “fake,” that the death count is “manipulated” and that the vaccine is a “dangerous scam.”


And the pastor has preached misinformation about the vaccine, including falsely claiming that it’s made of “aborted fetal tissue.”

During a sermon in May, Locke told churchgoers that he wasn’t getting the vaccine and would refuse to promote it.

“I discourage everybody under this tent to get it,” he said, according to CNN.

Locke has also openly defied the state’s emergency mandates. In July 2020, he posted on Facebook that the church was remaining open and that people did not have to wear masks or social distance.

“I don’t care if they send the military, they roll up in there with tanks … ladies and gentleman, we are staying open,” he said, according to Newsweek. “We are packed to capacity. You ain’t gotta wear a mask.”

Strutting back and forth on a stage beneath a sprawling red-and-white striped circus tent on Sunday, Locke launched into yet another impassioned monologue. This time, he warned churchgoers to not wear masks and railed against the possibility of more shutdowns.


“They will be serving Frostys in hell before we shut this place down, just because a buck wild, demon-possessed government tells us to,” Locke said, referencing the frozen dessert from Wendy’s.

“Don’t believe this delta variant nonsense,” he continued. “Stop it!”

He advised parishioners who are looking for services with social distancing “don’t come to this one” and chastised other churches for following public health advisories and abstaining from certain rituals as cases rise.

Tennessee resumes most vaccine outreach to minors paused after GOP backlash

“A bunch of pastors talking about how much they want to see people heal, and they’re afraid to baptize people because of a delta variant — I’m sick of it,” Locke said. “I ain’t playing these stupid games.”

Toward the end of his rant, Locke made one final warning.

“I’m going to be a problem moving forward,” he said. “I’m not giving in to this mess.”
but your fine with illegal immigrants walking straight through the southern border from all sorts of countries who could be carrying covid or tb or a multiple of sicknesses with them , selective outrage as usual and the other clown hoping they die such a nice guy

Where have I said I’m fine with illegal immigrants walking in uncontrolled?

No comment on the actual article and the general right wing idiocy which is going to drop us right back into masking and maybe even shutdowns?

Did you figure out yet where you heard about the supposed bogus PCR test?
50k plus have been released into the country and 13%!have shown up to first immigration hearing. The guy who invented the pcr test said it didn’t work properly for covid but you know better than him , keep on showering with your mask on

Are you going to provide a source for this latest “claim”?

I’m interested in hearing about it, especially seeing as the scientist in question died a couple of years ago.

A source for your immigration claim would be handy too.

And BTW, not that I really give a bollocks (so fire away if you really think it helps your “argument”), but I’m not sure why you’re trying to mock me for apparently being a paranoid zealot when it comes to Covid. I’ve expressed no such opinions. And as it happens, I’ve been back in the office for a year now, and very frequently take the NY subways and buses. Pointing out the complete moral bankruptcy, intellectual dishonesty and outright deceit on the right when it comes to covid is not extremism. It’s factualism.
he said they were not reliable and could find any kind of virus in anyone at any level , he also said before he died and before this man got famous that fauci was a complete bullshitter and was a liar
You talk about a church with a few hundred people going there and say these people and their like are a huge problem but ignore a catastrophe that’s going on at the southern border where immigrants positive for covid are being shipped around the country.
Check out rio grande valley in Texas and la county do you think many land there ?

I call bullshit on your claims unless you, for once in your life, produce some sources for your information. Its not hard. It took me all of 30 seconds on Google to find out that Kary Mullis died in 2019 and so could not have "said it didn’t work properly for covid". Now you're piling more shite on your mountain of bullshit with your claims that PCR tests can't "find any kind of virus in anyone at any level". Either put the evidence up, or stop spreading misinformation about something you clearly know f**k all about.

The church is emblematic of what is going on across the US right wing. They're away in la la land when it comes to Covid and the vaccines, when it comes to the election, and when it comes to the cult of personality that is now their defining characteristic and litmus test for membership.

And back to the sources - please provide some for your claims on the border.
your right this church is way more dangerous than the border situation.

That’s it?

1. I did not say that. The border could be a complete mess (still waiting on links to back up your claims though) at the same time that the conservative movement and the GOP has degenerated into an irrational, authoritarian personality cult.

2. I’ll take your ignoring of the other parts as a tacit admission that you were talking through your hole on covid and PCR testing.

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: July 28, 2021, 04:10:42 PM »
you said "this highly infectious disease doesn't effect them" after I pointed out that there was a baby in intensive care FFS.

Your big, beefy, masculine balls must be taking all the blood that's meant to be going to your brain.

And you have the issue of MIS-C, which appears to be linked to Covid in kids.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/misc-and-covid19-rare-inflammatory-syndrome-in-kids-and-teens

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General discussion / Re: Movie recommendations
« on: July 28, 2021, 12:36:28 PM »
Spent the last 3 nights rewatching The Godfather movies. I remember when GF3 come out and thought it was pretty good. Having watched the 3 in quick succession again - GF3 is muck in comparison.

Its by far the worst of the three, with big problems with the story and some questionable acting, but I still enjoyed it overall. Not every film has to be a masterpiece. And it did have some really good performances and memorable lines.

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: July 28, 2021, 12:27:14 PM »
For those so vocal about being anti vaccine, is there a way you could refuse them any type of approved medication? Let them live off the land and natural remedies.

Doubt it, but insurance companies can take vaccine status into account when underwriting policies.

No vaccine, even though you've no valid medical reason for not getting it? Then you're on your own, financially speaking, when you're hospitalized and maybe even intubated due to covid.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: July 28, 2021, 11:32:14 AM »
How long until we hear about THIS fuckwit getting seriously ill and his "church" having an outbreak among his congregation?

No doubt his stance (assuming its real - wouldn't surprise me, to be honest, if he HAS been vaccinated) is mostly about donations and getting fame on Fox News and the like.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/07/27/tennessee-pastor-greg-locke-masks/

Evangelical pastor demands churchgoers ditch their masks: ‘Don’t believe this delta variant nonsense’

Since the early months of the coronavirus pandemic, Greg Locke, the pastor at a Nashville-area church, has repeatedly called covid a hoax, undermined emergency mandates and refused to comply with guidance from public health officials.

This week, Locke took his defiance a step further, making a sharp warning regarding mask-wearing.

If “you start showing up [with] all these masks and all this nonsense, I will ask you to leave,” Locke, 45, told scores of Global Vision Bible Church parishioners during his sermon on Sunday. His statement was followed by cheers and applause.

“I am not playing these Democrat games up in this church,” he added.

Global Vision Bible Church did not immediately respond to The Washington Post’s request for comment.

Locke’s fiery five-minute diatribe, in which he also denied the existence of the delta variant, comes as vaccination rates in his home state slow and infection rates climb. So far, about 44 percent of Tennesseans have received at least one dose of the vaccine, according to The Post’s vaccine tracker, making it among the states with the lowest rate. The state recently reported that 98 percent of people who died of covid and 97 percent of covid hospitalizations are among the unvaccinated.

The vaccine rollout in Tennessee made national headlines after the controversial firing of the state’s top immunization official, Michelle Fiscus, on July 12. Fiscus’s firing was the casualty of the Tennessee Department of Health’s campaign to encourage teenagers to get vaccinated against the coronavirus. The effort attracted ire from Republican state lawmakers.

In an interview with WTVF on Monday, Fiscus said Tenn. Gov. Bill Lee (R) consistently resisted the state’s promotion of the vaccine.

“I feel like the [health] department was gagged,” she said.

Locke’s evangelical church in Mt. Juliet, Tenn., about 20 miles east of downtown Nashville, has grown during the pandemic, CNN reported. The pastor’s controversial commentary on covid and the 2020 presidential election has attracted far-right churchgoers.

During a sermon last month, Locke called President Biden a fraud and “a sex trafficking, demon-possessed mongrel,” a reference to QAnon, an extremist ideology based on false claims.

He has also falsely claimed that the pandemic is “fake,” that the death count is “manipulated” and that the vaccine is a “dangerous scam.”


And the pastor has preached misinformation about the vaccine, including falsely claiming that it’s made of “aborted fetal tissue.”

During a sermon in May, Locke told churchgoers that he wasn’t getting the vaccine and would refuse to promote it.

“I discourage everybody under this tent to get it,” he said, according to CNN.

Locke has also openly defied the state’s emergency mandates. In July 2020, he posted on Facebook that the church was remaining open and that people did not have to wear masks or social distance.

“I don’t care if they send the military, they roll up in there with tanks … ladies and gentleman, we are staying open,” he said, according to Newsweek. “We are packed to capacity. You ain’t gotta wear a mask.”

Strutting back and forth on a stage beneath a sprawling red-and-white striped circus tent on Sunday, Locke launched into yet another impassioned monologue. This time, he warned churchgoers to not wear masks and railed against the possibility of more shutdowns.


“They will be serving Frostys in hell before we shut this place down, just because a buck wild, demon-possessed government tells us to,” Locke said, referencing the frozen dessert from Wendy’s.

“Don’t believe this delta variant nonsense,” he continued. “Stop it!”

He advised parishioners who are looking for services with social distancing “don’t come to this one” and chastised other churches for following public health advisories and abstaining from certain rituals as cases rise.

Tennessee resumes most vaccine outreach to minors paused after GOP backlash

“A bunch of pastors talking about how much they want to see people heal, and they’re afraid to baptize people because of a delta variant — I’m sick of it,” Locke said. “I ain’t playing these stupid games.”

Toward the end of his rant, Locke made one final warning.

“I’m going to be a problem moving forward,” he said. “I’m not giving in to this mess.”
but your fine with illegal immigrants walking straight through the southern border from all sorts of countries who could be carrying covid or tb or a multiple of sicknesses with them , selective outrage as usual and the other clown hoping they die such a nice guy

Where have I said I’m fine with illegal immigrants walking in uncontrolled?

No comment on the actual article and the general right wing idiocy which is going to drop us right back into masking and maybe even shutdowns?

Did you figure out yet where you heard about the supposed bogus PCR test?
50k plus have been released into the country and 13%!have shown up to first immigration hearing. The guy who invented the pcr test said it didn’t work properly for covid but you know better than him , keep on showering with your mask on

Are you going to provide a source for this latest “claim”?

I’m interested in hearing about it, especially seeing as the scientist in question died a couple of years ago.

A source for your immigration claim would be handy too.

And BTW, not that I really give a bollocks (so fire away if you really think it helps your “argument”), but I’m not sure why you’re trying to mock me for apparently being a paranoid zealot when it comes to Covid. I’ve expressed no such opinions. And as it happens, I’ve been back in the office for a year now, and very frequently take the NY subways and buses. Pointing out the complete moral bankruptcy, intellectual dishonesty and outright deceit on the right when it comes to covid is not extremism. It’s factualism.
he said they were not reliable and could find any kind of virus in anyone at any level , he also said before he died and before this man got famous that fauci was a complete bullshitter and was a liar
You talk about a church with a few hundred people going there and say these people and their like are a huge problem but ignore a catastrophe that’s going on at the southern border where immigrants positive for covid are being shipped around the country.
Check out rio grande valley in Texas and la county do you think many land there ?

I call bullshit on your claims unless you, for once in your life, produce some sources for your information. Its not hard. It took me all of 30 seconds on Google to find out that Kary Mullis died in 2019 and so could not have "said it didn’t work properly for covid". Now you're piling more shite on your mountain of bullshit with your claims that PCR tests can't "find any kind of virus in anyone at any level". Either put the evidence up, or stop spreading misinformation about something you clearly know f**k all about.

The church is emblematic of what is going on across the US right wing. They're away in la la land when it comes to Covid and the vaccines, when it comes to the election, and when it comes to the cult of personality that is now their defining characteristic and litmus test for membership.

And back to the sources - please provide some for your claims on the border.


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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: July 28, 2021, 01:59:43 AM »
How long until we hear about THIS fuckwit getting seriously ill and his "church" having an outbreak among his congregation?

No doubt his stance (assuming its real - wouldn't surprise me, to be honest, if he HAS been vaccinated) is mostly about donations and getting fame on Fox News and the like.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/07/27/tennessee-pastor-greg-locke-masks/

Evangelical pastor demands churchgoers ditch their masks: ‘Don’t believe this delta variant nonsense’

Since the early months of the coronavirus pandemic, Greg Locke, the pastor at a Nashville-area church, has repeatedly called covid a hoax, undermined emergency mandates and refused to comply with guidance from public health officials.

This week, Locke took his defiance a step further, making a sharp warning regarding mask-wearing.

If “you start showing up [with] all these masks and all this nonsense, I will ask you to leave,” Locke, 45, told scores of Global Vision Bible Church parishioners during his sermon on Sunday. His statement was followed by cheers and applause.

“I am not playing these Democrat games up in this church,” he added.

Global Vision Bible Church did not immediately respond to The Washington Post’s request for comment.

Locke’s fiery five-minute diatribe, in which he also denied the existence of the delta variant, comes as vaccination rates in his home state slow and infection rates climb. So far, about 44 percent of Tennesseans have received at least one dose of the vaccine, according to The Post’s vaccine tracker, making it among the states with the lowest rate. The state recently reported that 98 percent of people who died of covid and 97 percent of covid hospitalizations are among the unvaccinated.

The vaccine rollout in Tennessee made national headlines after the controversial firing of the state’s top immunization official, Michelle Fiscus, on July 12. Fiscus’s firing was the casualty of the Tennessee Department of Health’s campaign to encourage teenagers to get vaccinated against the coronavirus. The effort attracted ire from Republican state lawmakers.

In an interview with WTVF on Monday, Fiscus said Tenn. Gov. Bill Lee (R) consistently resisted the state’s promotion of the vaccine.

“I feel like the [health] department was gagged,” she said.

Locke’s evangelical church in Mt. Juliet, Tenn., about 20 miles east of downtown Nashville, has grown during the pandemic, CNN reported. The pastor’s controversial commentary on covid and the 2020 presidential election has attracted far-right churchgoers.

During a sermon last month, Locke called President Biden a fraud and “a sex trafficking, demon-possessed mongrel,” a reference to QAnon, an extremist ideology based on false claims.

He has also falsely claimed that the pandemic is “fake,” that the death count is “manipulated” and that the vaccine is a “dangerous scam.”


And the pastor has preached misinformation about the vaccine, including falsely claiming that it’s made of “aborted fetal tissue.”

During a sermon in May, Locke told churchgoers that he wasn’t getting the vaccine and would refuse to promote it.

“I discourage everybody under this tent to get it,” he said, according to CNN.

Locke has also openly defied the state’s emergency mandates. In July 2020, he posted on Facebook that the church was remaining open and that people did not have to wear masks or social distance.

“I don’t care if they send the military, they roll up in there with tanks … ladies and gentleman, we are staying open,” he said, according to Newsweek. “We are packed to capacity. You ain’t gotta wear a mask.”

Strutting back and forth on a stage beneath a sprawling red-and-white striped circus tent on Sunday, Locke launched into yet another impassioned monologue. This time, he warned churchgoers to not wear masks and railed against the possibility of more shutdowns.


“They will be serving Frostys in hell before we shut this place down, just because a buck wild, demon-possessed government tells us to,” Locke said, referencing the frozen dessert from Wendy’s.

“Don’t believe this delta variant nonsense,” he continued. “Stop it!”

He advised parishioners who are looking for services with social distancing “don’t come to this one” and chastised other churches for following public health advisories and abstaining from certain rituals as cases rise.

Tennessee resumes most vaccine outreach to minors paused after GOP backlash

“A bunch of pastors talking about how much they want to see people heal, and they’re afraid to baptize people because of a delta variant — I’m sick of it,” Locke said. “I ain’t playing these stupid games.”

Toward the end of his rant, Locke made one final warning.

“I’m going to be a problem moving forward,” he said. “I’m not giving in to this mess.”
but your fine with illegal immigrants walking straight through the southern border from all sorts of countries who could be carrying covid or tb or a multiple of sicknesses with them , selective outrage as usual and the other clown hoping they die such a nice guy

Where have I said I’m fine with illegal immigrants walking in uncontrolled?

No comment on the actual article and the general right wing idiocy which is going to drop us right back into masking and maybe even shutdowns?

Did you figure out yet where you heard about the supposed bogus PCR test?
50k plus have been released into the country and 13%!have shown up to first immigration hearing. The guy who invented the pcr test said it didn’t work properly for covid but you know better than him , keep on showering with your mask on

Are you going to provide a source for this latest “claim”?

I’m interested in hearing about it, especially seeing as the scientist in question died a couple of years ago.

A source for your immigration claim would be handy too.

And BTW, not that I really give a bollocks (so fire away if you really think it helps your “argument”), but I’m not sure why you’re trying to mock me for apparently being a paranoid zealot when it comes to Covid. I’ve expressed no such opinions. And as it happens, I’ve been back in the office for a year now, and very frequently take the NY subways and buses. Pointing out the complete moral bankruptcy, intellectual dishonesty and outright deceit on the right when it comes to covid is not extremism. It’s factualism.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: July 28, 2021, 12:07:47 AM »
How long until we hear about THIS fuckwit getting seriously ill and his "church" having an outbreak among his congregation?

No doubt his stance (assuming its real - wouldn't surprise me, to be honest, if he HAS been vaccinated) is mostly about donations and getting fame on Fox News and the like.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/07/27/tennessee-pastor-greg-locke-masks/

Evangelical pastor demands churchgoers ditch their masks: ‘Don’t believe this delta variant nonsense’

Since the early months of the coronavirus pandemic, Greg Locke, the pastor at a Nashville-area church, has repeatedly called covid a hoax, undermined emergency mandates and refused to comply with guidance from public health officials.

This week, Locke took his defiance a step further, making a sharp warning regarding mask-wearing.

If “you start showing up [with] all these masks and all this nonsense, I will ask you to leave,” Locke, 45, told scores of Global Vision Bible Church parishioners during his sermon on Sunday. His statement was followed by cheers and applause.

“I am not playing these Democrat games up in this church,” he added.

Global Vision Bible Church did not immediately respond to The Washington Post’s request for comment.

Locke’s fiery five-minute diatribe, in which he also denied the existence of the delta variant, comes as vaccination rates in his home state slow and infection rates climb. So far, about 44 percent of Tennesseans have received at least one dose of the vaccine, according to The Post’s vaccine tracker, making it among the states with the lowest rate. The state recently reported that 98 percent of people who died of covid and 97 percent of covid hospitalizations are among the unvaccinated.

The vaccine rollout in Tennessee made national headlines after the controversial firing of the state’s top immunization official, Michelle Fiscus, on July 12. Fiscus’s firing was the casualty of the Tennessee Department of Health’s campaign to encourage teenagers to get vaccinated against the coronavirus. The effort attracted ire from Republican state lawmakers.

In an interview with WTVF on Monday, Fiscus said Tenn. Gov. Bill Lee (R) consistently resisted the state’s promotion of the vaccine.

“I feel like the [health] department was gagged,” she said.

Locke’s evangelical church in Mt. Juliet, Tenn., about 20 miles east of downtown Nashville, has grown during the pandemic, CNN reported. The pastor’s controversial commentary on covid and the 2020 presidential election has attracted far-right churchgoers.

During a sermon last month, Locke called President Biden a fraud and “a sex trafficking, demon-possessed mongrel,” a reference to QAnon, an extremist ideology based on false claims.

He has also falsely claimed that the pandemic is “fake,” that the death count is “manipulated” and that the vaccine is a “dangerous scam.”


And the pastor has preached misinformation about the vaccine, including falsely claiming that it’s made of “aborted fetal tissue.”

During a sermon in May, Locke told churchgoers that he wasn’t getting the vaccine and would refuse to promote it.

“I discourage everybody under this tent to get it,” he said, according to CNN.

Locke has also openly defied the state’s emergency mandates. In July 2020, he posted on Facebook that the church was remaining open and that people did not have to wear masks or social distance.

“I don’t care if they send the military, they roll up in there with tanks … ladies and gentleman, we are staying open,” he said, according to Newsweek. “We are packed to capacity. You ain’t gotta wear a mask.”

Strutting back and forth on a stage beneath a sprawling red-and-white striped circus tent on Sunday, Locke launched into yet another impassioned monologue. This time, he warned churchgoers to not wear masks and railed against the possibility of more shutdowns.


“They will be serving Frostys in hell before we shut this place down, just because a buck wild, demon-possessed government tells us to,” Locke said, referencing the frozen dessert from Wendy’s.

“Don’t believe this delta variant nonsense,” he continued. “Stop it!”

He advised parishioners who are looking for services with social distancing “don’t come to this one” and chastised other churches for following public health advisories and abstaining from certain rituals as cases rise.

Tennessee resumes most vaccine outreach to minors paused after GOP backlash

“A bunch of pastors talking about how much they want to see people heal, and they’re afraid to baptize people because of a delta variant — I’m sick of it,” Locke said. “I ain’t playing these stupid games.”

Toward the end of his rant, Locke made one final warning.

“I’m going to be a problem moving forward,” he said. “I’m not giving in to this mess.”
but your fine with illegal immigrants walking straight through the southern border from all sorts of countries who could be carrying covid or tb or a multiple of sicknesses with them , selective outrage as usual and the other clown hoping they die such a nice guy

Where have I said I’m fine with illegal immigrants walking in uncontrolled?

No comment on the actual article and the general right wing idiocy which is going to drop us right back into masking and maybe even shutdowns?

Did you figure out yet where you heard about the supposed bogus PCR test?

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: July 27, 2021, 01:59:46 PM »
I’m saying that doctors aren’t going to go against what the government/WHO says, as it could mean the end of their medical career. There were doctors who have been struck off for linking MMR jabs to autism.
They were struck off because there are NO links between MMR and Autism you idiot! Meaning that discouraginjg parents from getting their kids MMR vaccinated put the kids at unnecessary risk.

Next you'll be telling us that Harold Shipman was struck off unfairly too, for pursing a non-standard treatment regime with his patients.

Did I say there were?

You don’t even have the courage of your convictions. Throw a vague line out, then when it’s picked up on, backtrack like f**k. You can’t make a coherent argument to support your position.

I think yourself (and others) need to read what is actually in a post,  before resorting to insults and name calling.

Nope, your post implied Doctors being struck of for linking MMR with autism shouldn’t have been. Is that the case? If not then not sure why you’d bring it into the discussion. Happy for you to clarify.

No, I didn’t imply that. You implied I said that. I brought it up as an example, whereby if medical people might have their own thoughts/concerns on certain vaccines/medication (or even alternative therapy not approved by the NHS), then they dare not say it publicly or to their patients. Going against the grain could mean being struck off.

I mean, we all know about charms. Would your doctor  advice you chuck your ointment in the bin and go see the local man with an apparent charm for psoriasis or whatever? I’d seriously doubt it. Many of us have used them though even if they’re not exactly approved by medical experts. Now, I’d doubt a doctor would be sacked for advocating charms, but still, it’s not exactly promoted by experts.

How many doctors have been struck off? And in any of the examples where they have, why was it unwarranted?

Andrew Wakefield was struck off 12 years after his fraudulent and highly damaging MMR study.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: July 27, 2021, 12:26:20 PM »
How long until we hear about THIS fuckwit getting seriously ill and his "church" having an outbreak among his congregation?

No doubt his stance (assuming its real - wouldn't surprise me, to be honest, if he HAS been vaccinated) is mostly about donations and getting fame on Fox News and the like.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/07/27/tennessee-pastor-greg-locke-masks/

Evangelical pastor demands churchgoers ditch their masks: ‘Don’t believe this delta variant nonsense’

Since the early months of the coronavirus pandemic, Greg Locke, the pastor at a Nashville-area church, has repeatedly called covid a hoax, undermined emergency mandates and refused to comply with guidance from public health officials.

This week, Locke took his defiance a step further, making a sharp warning regarding mask-wearing.

If “you start showing up [with] all these masks and all this nonsense, I will ask you to leave,” Locke, 45, told scores of Global Vision Bible Church parishioners during his sermon on Sunday. His statement was followed by cheers and applause.

“I am not playing these Democrat games up in this church,” he added.

Global Vision Bible Church did not immediately respond to The Washington Post’s request for comment.

Locke’s fiery five-minute diatribe, in which he also denied the existence of the delta variant, comes as vaccination rates in his home state slow and infection rates climb. So far, about 44 percent of Tennesseans have received at least one dose of the vaccine, according to The Post’s vaccine tracker, making it among the states with the lowest rate. The state recently reported that 98 percent of people who died of covid and 97 percent of covid hospitalizations are among the unvaccinated.

The vaccine rollout in Tennessee made national headlines after the controversial firing of the state’s top immunization official, Michelle Fiscus, on July 12. Fiscus’s firing was the casualty of the Tennessee Department of Health’s campaign to encourage teenagers to get vaccinated against the coronavirus. The effort attracted ire from Republican state lawmakers.

In an interview with WTVF on Monday, Fiscus said Tenn. Gov. Bill Lee (R) consistently resisted the state’s promotion of the vaccine.

“I feel like the [health] department was gagged,” she said.

Locke’s evangelical church in Mt. Juliet, Tenn., about 20 miles east of downtown Nashville, has grown during the pandemic, CNN reported. The pastor’s controversial commentary on covid and the 2020 presidential election has attracted far-right churchgoers.

During a sermon last month, Locke called President Biden a fraud and “a sex trafficking, demon-possessed mongrel,” a reference to QAnon, an extremist ideology based on false claims.

He has also falsely claimed that the pandemic is “fake,” that the death count is “manipulated” and that the vaccine is a “dangerous scam.”


And the pastor has preached misinformation about the vaccine, including falsely claiming that it’s made of “aborted fetal tissue.”

During a sermon in May, Locke told churchgoers that he wasn’t getting the vaccine and would refuse to promote it.

“I discourage everybody under this tent to get it,” he said, according to CNN.

Locke has also openly defied the state’s emergency mandates. In July 2020, he posted on Facebook that the church was remaining open and that people did not have to wear masks or social distance.

“I don’t care if they send the military, they roll up in there with tanks … ladies and gentleman, we are staying open,” he said, according to Newsweek. “We are packed to capacity. You ain’t gotta wear a mask.”

Strutting back and forth on a stage beneath a sprawling red-and-white striped circus tent on Sunday, Locke launched into yet another impassioned monologue. This time, he warned churchgoers to not wear masks and railed against the possibility of more shutdowns.


“They will be serving Frostys in hell before we shut this place down, just because a buck wild, demon-possessed government tells us to,” Locke said, referencing the frozen dessert from Wendy’s.

“Don’t believe this delta variant nonsense,” he continued. “Stop it!”

He advised parishioners who are looking for services with social distancing “don’t come to this one” and chastised other churches for following public health advisories and abstaining from certain rituals as cases rise.

Tennessee resumes most vaccine outreach to minors paused after GOP backlash

“A bunch of pastors talking about how much they want to see people heal, and they’re afraid to baptize people because of a delta variant — I’m sick of it,” Locke said. “I ain’t playing these stupid games.”

Toward the end of his rant, Locke made one final warning.

“I’m going to be a problem moving forward,” he said. “I’m not giving in to this mess.”

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: July 26, 2021, 07:20:36 PM »
CDC in USA are now saying pcr tests are not able to distinguish between flu and covid .
Rahm the golfer is a weird case he has had covid has antibodies and is fully vaccinated but still tested positive for covid but is not sick and never was sick.
Strange people are not a little more curious about this

I think you need to re-evaluate your news sources and stop relying on "journalists" who don't know their ass from elbow when it comes to this stuff.

The CDC is advising labs to switch to tests that can detect BOTH Covid and flu.

They're not advising them, late in the day, that the test couldn't distinguish them.

My guess is that such tests now exist, whereas this time last year they didn't.

After December 31, 2021, CDC will withdraw the request to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) of the CDC 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel, the assay first introduced in February 2020 for detection of SARS-CoV-2 only. CDC is providing this advance notice for clinical laboratories to have adequate time to select and implement one of the many FDA-authorized alternatives.

In preparation for this change, CDC recommends clinical laboratories and testing sites that have been using the CDC 2019-nCoV RT-PCR assay select and begin their transition to another FDA-authorized COVID-19 test. CDC encourages laboratories to consider adoption of a multiplexed method that can facilitate detection and differentiation of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza viruses. Such assays can facilitate continued testing for both influenza and SARS-CoV-2 and can save both time and resources as we head into influenza season. Laboratories and testing sites should validate and verify their selected assay within their facility before beginning clinical testing.

https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html

f**king right wingers think scientists and doctors are a bunch of vacuous morons who came down with the last shower and are no better than some blowhard on youtube or Fox News.
j70 the tests don’t work properly what’s the problem with that ? You guess ? Who are you to guess but tell me my opinion is thrash ? Give the Fox News a rest it’s getting old and played .
Stay inside with your mask on and remove yourself from society please your an extremist.

Where does it say the tests don't work properly?

They said they're removing the EUA for this particular test BECAUSE there are now other alternatives out there, including ones that can test for both Covid AND flu.

The only guess I made was to speculate that the tests that could detect both Covid AND flu weren't available last year, hence they weren't recommended. It was clearly stated as speculation (unlike YOUR definitive false claim), and anyway beside the point.

If you're tired of the Fox News stuff, why don't you reveal to us where you read or heard about the misrepresented version of the CDC's advisory to labs?


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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: July 26, 2021, 07:03:58 PM »
CDC in USA are now saying pcr tests are not able to distinguish between flu and covid .
Rahm the golfer is a weird case he has had covid has antibodies and is fully vaccinated but still tested positive for covid but is not sick and never was sick.
Strange people are not a little more curious about this

I think you need to re-evaluate your news sources and stop relying on "journalists" who don't know their ass from elbow when it comes to this stuff.

The CDC is advising labs to switch to tests that can detect BOTH Covid and flu.

They're not advising them, late in the day, that the test couldn't distinguish them.

My guess is that such tests now exist, whereas this time last year they didn't.

After December 31, 2021, CDC will withdraw the request to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) of the CDC 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel, the assay first introduced in February 2020 for detection of SARS-CoV-2 only. CDC is providing this advance notice for clinical laboratories to have adequate time to select and implement one of the many FDA-authorized alternatives.

In preparation for this change, CDC recommends clinical laboratories and testing sites that have been using the CDC 2019-nCoV RT-PCR assay select and begin their transition to another FDA-authorized COVID-19 test. CDC encourages laboratories to consider adoption of a multiplexed method that can facilitate detection and differentiation of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza viruses. Such assays can facilitate continued testing for both influenza and SARS-CoV-2 and can save both time and resources as we head into influenza season. Laboratories and testing sites should validate and verify their selected assay within their facility before beginning clinical testing.

https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html

f**king right wingers think scientists and doctors are a bunch of vacuous morons who came down with the last shower and are no better than some blowhard on youtube or Fox News.


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What happens if you get a 3rd jab?

Then you get no Covid at all at all.

The 26 counties are going to give vulnerable people a third jab in a couple on months. This will be a different vaccine, so if got AZ they will give you Pfizer and vice versa
how many of these wonderful gene treatments will they be giving to people each year to keep us topped up and healthy.Cant wait.

A few David Icke fans on here.
honest question lenny.how many will you take per year to update your vax passport.Also if the 2 jabs dont work why take anymore.just doesnt make any sense at all.

Because viruses mutate and evolve??

Do you ever take antibiotics?

If so, you're mostly likely not taking the same ones they took 50 years ago. Why? Because bacteria mutate and evolve resistance. So they have to come up with new antibiotics. While they do that, we're stuck with MRSA outbreaks and the like.

COVID is probably going to end up like the regular seasonal flu, where you have to get a new jab every year to counter whatever the current or predicted dominant strains are/will be.

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General discussion / Re: Things that make you go What the F**k?
« on: July 26, 2021, 11:40:47 AM »
Joey Barton moving back into the lead with his ongoing "whos the biggest cnut" competition with giggsy 😃

No comparison between the two really. Barton has done scummy act after scummy act since he first became known.

Barton is definitely more out in the open with his scumbaggery, I'll give you that.

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