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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: August 14, 2020, 02:35:53 PM »
All you guys living in gentrified neighborhoods better watch out......you’re next in the list

https://mobile.twitter.com/MarkDice/status/1294076760078684160

Yes, watch out, the scary black people are coming for you!

Maybe they should ban gentrification. That would dovetail nicely with the GOP trying to stop low-income housing in the suburbs. Keep everyone in their own neighbourhoods.

Make of it what you want....it’s right there on the video them threatening people to give their houses to Black people. I didn’t put words in their mouths

BLM is a Marxist group....all the “woke” white millennials are about to have a rude awakening

Gentrification is a legitimate concern, whether its a poor/industrial area of Brooklyn, or a bucolic landscape 100 miles from a major city where the locals are being priced out of the market by well-off city people purchasing holiday homes.

As usual, conservatives don't give a f**k about any of this. All they care about is seeing the liberals cry and shouting about commies.

I just love the hypocrisy

All the wealthy white liberals I know have millennial kids living in these gentrified neighborhoods each congratulating the other in how woke they are. I actually saw a post where someone warned the others in a book group about “White Fragility” and how maybe they shouldn’t be reading it because to some people of color feel its condescending to them......couldn’t make it up

Just because you happen to get an apartment in a gentrified neighbourhood doesn't make you a hypocrite. If you go around preaching about gentrification while, say, opposing measures that might help counter it such as the inclusion of affordable housing in any new developments, then you would be a hypocrite.

It must be great to be a conservative. You can sneer at the liberals getting caught out partaking in the system, while at the same time not giving a single f**k about any of the problems yourself. You don't care that neighbourhoods are being gentrified, so you are free to oppose measures such low income housing without anyone labelling you a hypocrite, while at the same time gloating over your "woke" acquaintances discomfort.

Because its all about making the liberals cry. That's all that matters.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: August 14, 2020, 02:09:24 PM »
All you guys living in gentrified neighborhoods better watch out......you’re next in the list

https://mobile.twitter.com/MarkDice/status/1294076760078684160

Yes, watch out, the scary black people are coming for you!

Maybe they should ban gentrification. That would dovetail nicely with the GOP trying to stop low-income housing in the suburbs. Keep everyone in their own neighbourhoods.

Make of it what you want....it’s right there on the video them threatening people to give their houses to Black people. I didn’t put words in their mouths

BLM is a Marxist group....all the “woke” white millennials are about to have a rude awakening

Gentrification is a legitimate concern, whether its a poor/industrial area of Brooklyn, or a bucolic landscape 100 miles from a major city where the locals are being priced out of the market by well-off city people purchasing holiday homes.

As usual, conservatives don't give a f**k about any of this. All they care about is seeing the liberals cry and shouting about commies.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: August 14, 2020, 01:50:52 PM »
All you guys living in gentrified neighborhoods better watch out......you’re next in the list

https://mobile.twitter.com/MarkDice/status/1294076760078684160

Yes, watch out, the scary black people are coming for you!

Maybe they should ban gentrification. That would dovetail nicely with the GOP trying to stop low-income housing in the suburbs. Keep everyone in their own neighbourhoods.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: August 14, 2020, 01:31:49 PM »
Not a video, but a picture of an Antifa bro about to get his comeuppance

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/08/19/boston-police-disperse-large-crowd-near-downtown-crossing/2XAwEARUVk8YdXfc7xMVnK/story.html%3foutputType=amp

I’d love to have seen the after photo

What, the fat cop fell on his face in front of the families and the little girl?

According to the article, it was a pretty low-key event.

Correct - and 150 people decided to cause trouble AFTER the main protest and were immediately confronted and dispersed by police as they should have been

Let's hope your bloodlust juices get similarly flowing the next time a bunch of conservatives take over some statehouse and start screaming in the faces of police and lawmakers.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: August 14, 2020, 12:10:48 PM »
Not a video, but a picture of an Antifa bro about to get his comeuppance

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/08/19/boston-police-disperse-large-crowd-near-downtown-crossing/2XAwEARUVk8YdXfc7xMVnK/story.html%3foutputType=amp

I’d love to have seen the after photo

What, the fat cop fell on his face in front of the families and the little girl?

According to the article, it was a pretty low-key event.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: August 13, 2020, 10:46:53 PM »
And Trump offers a hearty congratulations to the QAnon whackjob in Georgia, calling her a "future Republican star".

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1293525010523578375

Conservatives have lost their goddamn minds.

Nah... we're just starting to see what's really on their minds.

Spending... deficits... morals... its all bullshit.

Its all about conspiracies and scapegoats.

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General discussion / Re: The US policing crisis thread
« on: August 13, 2020, 10:31:57 PM »
https://cwbchicago.com/2020/08/carjackings-today-in-wicker-park-logan-square-and-ones-caught-on-camera.html

If this stuff keeps up it really going to help Trump

Both Joe and Kamaltoe are in favor of defunding the police

Kamaltoe.

Are you for f**king real?

Embarrassing.

Had you not heard that nick name? I thought it was quite clever

Did you know if you mis-pronounce her name it’s a form of racism and also passive aggressive

She must have been right during the debates about poor Joe being a racist, because he sure as hell doesn’t know how to pronounce it correctly

No, I hadn’t heard that nickname or the precious, white grievance nonsense about mispronouncing her name.

Must be mixing with or listening to the wrong people I guess.

You must not be on Twitter

All this faux outrage stuff is on there

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/media/tucker-carlsons-mangling-of-kamala-harriss-name-was-all-about-disrespect/2020/08/12/ea573d06-dca7-11ea-809e-b8be57ba616e_story.html%3foutputType=amp

I couldn’t help but make fun of people who are so absurd in what they’re outraged about

If you are outraged about how Kamalas name is pronounced, but not outraged about people getting carjacked at gunpoint in your own city, then I think we are going to see this election become a heck of a lot closer than people think

No, I'm not on Twitter.

I've no interest in hit and run, soundbite "debate".

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General discussion / Re: The US policing crisis thread
« on: August 13, 2020, 08:48:36 PM »
https://cwbchicago.com/2020/08/carjackings-today-in-wicker-park-logan-square-and-ones-caught-on-camera.html

If this stuff keeps up it really going to help Trump

Both Joe and Kamaltoe are in favor of defunding the police

Kamaltoe.

Are you for f**king real?

Embarrassing.

Had you not heard that nick name? I thought it was quite clever

Did you know if you mis-pronounce her name it’s a form of racism and also passive aggressive

She must have been right during the debates about poor Joe being a racist, because he sure as hell doesn’t know how to pronounce it correctly

No, I hadn’t heard that nickname or the precious, white grievance nonsense about mispronouncing her name.

Must be mixing with or listening to the wrong people I guess.

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General discussion / Re: The US policing crisis thread
« on: August 13, 2020, 08:36:25 PM »
https://cwbchicago.com/2020/08/carjackings-today-in-wicker-park-logan-square-and-ones-caught-on-camera.html

If this stuff keeps up it really going to help Trump

Both Joe and Kamaltoe are in favor of defunding the police

Kamaltoe.

Are you for f**king real?

Embarrassing.
hitler , Mussolini, Stalin , nazis , stormtroopers, gestapo all good though?

I think you need to expand on your attempt at equivalency.

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General discussion / Re: The US policing crisis thread
« on: August 13, 2020, 07:48:58 PM »
https://cwbchicago.com/2020/08/carjackings-today-in-wicker-park-logan-square-and-ones-caught-on-camera.html

If this stuff keeps up it really going to help Trump

Both Joe and Kamaltoe are in favor of defunding the police

Kamaltoe.

Are you for f**king real?

Embarrassing.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: August 13, 2020, 04:08:39 PM »
Rule of law is absolutely fucked in the US. They have a trans-national crime syndicate masquerading as a goverment. Barr is Trump's Carl Schmitt.

The election is already a foregone conclusion, it'll be a fix.
Women are going to turn out in numbers

The attempt at vote suppression in the recent Wisconsin election didn't work too well for them either.
If you think an election for a judge in Wisconsin is going to be a pointer for how effective the Republicans' voter suppression, propaganda and election fixing efforts will be in the presidential election, with the help of their Russian friends of course, you have another thing coming.

Sure look at how Trump is running the US postal service into the ground to prevent vote by mail.

This will be the dirtiest election of all time, it'll make 2016 look like a picnic. Republicans have every intention of pulling a Putin on this.

Over three months later and the US media is finally beginning to cop on that Trump is trying to destroy the postal service in order to fix the election.

Have a look at what happened in Belarus over the last few days. That could easily be America's future.


https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-08-04/undermining-postal-service-voting-trump

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/13/united-states-postal-service-trump-republicans

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/08/10/stop-trump-attacks-postal-service-fair-covid-election-column/3329978001/

https://www.democracynow.org/2020/8/10/usps_postmaster_general_mail_delay_ballots

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c8LOsDHBfQ

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/trumps-attack-on-the-postal-service-is-a-threat-to-democracy-and-to-rural-america


Rhode Island experience with mass mailing of ballots

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wpri.com/target-12/ri-looks-into-undeliverable-ballot-applications-and-dead-voters/amp/

“Nearly 102,000 ballot applications for the presidential preference primary earlier this year were returned as undeliverable, representing about 13% of the total sent out in a mass mailing aimed at making it easier to vote by mail and avoid polling-place crowds during the pandemic.“

But of course it’s racist to try and clean up the polling rolls

And of course its "better" to clean them up with mass sledgehammer roll purges that end up disenfranchizing loads of legitimate voters rather than carefully going through them to weed out people who have really died or passed away. Can't take any chances on the "scurge" of voter fraud!

If you go to the polls and your name isn’t on the voter roll you can cast a provisional ballot

“Voter suppression” is as big a pile of nonsense as  “Voter Fraud”

In most states. And even then you better hope you're at the right location or it probably won't count. Especially if the party in power is closing down precincts in your area.

I've no issue with the concept of voter IDs. What I do have an issue with is why, say, a gun license is a valid ID but a university ID is not. Or why government-issued IDs have to be purchased rather than issued without charge.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: August 13, 2020, 03:44:50 PM »
So... the poor yanks can't buy a proper shower for love nor money.

Water pressure, THAT'S Trump's hair problem!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjbXOSnyMeA

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: August 13, 2020, 03:40:50 PM »
Rule of law is absolutely fucked in the US. They have a trans-national crime syndicate masquerading as a goverment. Barr is Trump's Carl Schmitt.

The election is already a foregone conclusion, it'll be a fix.
Women are going to turn out in numbers

The attempt at vote suppression in the recent Wisconsin election didn't work too well for them either.
If you think an election for a judge in Wisconsin is going to be a pointer for how effective the Republicans' voter suppression, propaganda and election fixing efforts will be in the presidential election, with the help of their Russian friends of course, you have another thing coming.

Sure look at how Trump is running the US postal service into the ground to prevent vote by mail.

This will be the dirtiest election of all time, it'll make 2016 look like a picnic. Republicans have every intention of pulling a Putin on this.

Over three months later and the US media is finally beginning to cop on that Trump is trying to destroy the postal service in order to fix the election.

Have a look at what happened in Belarus over the last few days. That could easily be America's future.


https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-08-04/undermining-postal-service-voting-trump

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/13/united-states-postal-service-trump-republicans

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/08/10/stop-trump-attacks-postal-service-fair-covid-election-column/3329978001/

https://www.democracynow.org/2020/8/10/usps_postmaster_general_mail_delay_ballots

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c8LOsDHBfQ

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/trumps-attack-on-the-postal-service-is-a-threat-to-democracy-and-to-rural-america


Rhode Island experience with mass mailing of ballots

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wpri.com/target-12/ri-looks-into-undeliverable-ballot-applications-and-dead-voters/amp/

“Nearly 102,000 ballot applications for the presidential preference primary earlier this year were returned as undeliverable, representing about 13% of the total sent out in a mass mailing aimed at making it easier to vote by mail and avoid polling-place crowds during the pandemic.“

But of course it’s racist to try and clean up the polling rolls

And of course its "better" to clean them up with mass sledgehammer roll purges that end up disenfranchizing loads of legitimate voters rather than carefully going through them to weed out people who have really died or passed away. Can't take any chances on the "scurge" of voter fraud!

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: August 13, 2020, 12:20:29 PM »
And Trump offers a hearty congratulations to the QAnon whackjob in Georgia, calling her a "future Republican star".

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1293525010523578375

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General discussion / Re: The US policing crisis thread
« on: August 13, 2020, 12:14:41 PM »
Why would we do that?

All of this stuff is interconnected

How is police discrimination against the black community, and crime rates within the black community linked?

Your hardly making the racist argument that the latter justifies the former are you?

Not at all

Keep in mind in a city like Chicago 20% of all officers are black and the Chief is Black. For all we know the officer who shot the gunman last Sunday was black

If an officer is responding to a 911 call in what is deemed/defined (by statistics) to be a high crime area, he or she has a much greater likelihood of encountering a suspect who is armed (and willing to shoot)  than they would be  in a rich area where they are called to help get a cat out of a tree.

So what you guys refer to as “discrimination” in many cases may not be discrimination at all. They are errors or misjudgments caused by poor training or poor judgement erercized in extremely Tense and  life threatening situations

Chicago is so dangerous, Spike Lee coined the phrase Chiraq. More people were murdered in this ONE city in the last 5 years, than were murdered during the 30 years of conflict of The Troubles

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.gq.com/story/chi-raq-controversy-spike-lee/amp

Doesn’t explain Rodney King, George Floyd or the countless other blatant acts of violent rascism by police against African Americans.

To be clear Whitey - black people aren’t making this stuff up or misunderstanding it in any way shape or form.

They see incidents for what they are - occasionally it’s  well intentioned yet tragic mistakes by honest cops - but more often dirty violent racism

Yes-I completely agree and there are bad apples who never should have been let in to begin with or should have been kicked out once they were in.....no reasonable person would dispute that. Ang doing forward hopefully we’ll see more and more of them kicked out

And Black people absolutely have every right to feel aggrieved for how they have been treated by certain elements of law enforcement.....no can can dispute that either

But for white liberals (who would $hit themselves 10 times over if they even had to even walk through one of these neighborhoods) to start calling for the police to be either defunded or disbanded is lunacy of the highest order. That’s not what the Black community wants.....that’s what THEY  want

Some of these besieged communities actually want MORE police

And for people like Eamonn or Sid or whoever start cherry picking  incidents involving the police  to create  a narrative, how is that any different from a white person cherry picking incidents of Black criminality to also create a narrative

There are 20,000,000 traffic stops in the United States every year and 99.99999% of those pass without incident. The likes of Eamonn and Sid use the 0.000001% to tar every police officer with a label that is not only very divisive, but is also becoming very dangerous

Listen - I can’t claim to speak for the black community, and would never try to.

The best I can do is analogise to here when the RUC was disbanded - it was a great thing. Fresh start for all - don’t get me wrong, some of the ancient distrust lingers - but it’s a vast improvement.

I can only think a wholesale reform such as that would be a good way forward in America too.

Give it whatever label you want, but new forces with ombudsman’s and policing boards made up of community representatives would have least give formal redress to grievances.



Absolutely agree with everything you say, but the RUC analogy is somewhat inaccurate

Many of the inner city communities are virtual war zones with Black people shooting Black people day in and day out. Chicago will have close to 800 murders this year alone

The cops are being asked to step in the middle and play peacemaker and not alone do they get little support from the community, but they often get dogs abuse after having put  their lives in danger-just look at the videos of what occurred last Sunday in Englewood

Yes, there are bad cops and crooked cops, but isolated incidents get sensationalized by people with other agendas to push.

Isolated incidents that actually occur or that happen to be recorded? How many bad or corrupt or covered-up incidents occur for every one that is recorded and makes it to youtube?

I agree with many of your suggestions on your other post BTW on how to start addressing the root causes.

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