The same-sex marriage referendum debate

[topcuppla]

I am not obsessed with it (repulsed would be a better word).I just cannot see who any child raised in an unnatural environment could turn out to be normal.

Like the Magdalene laundries, or an abused child who is raised while sworn to secrecy regarding his abuse?

Petty - what benefits could a young child have in society being raised by two men - and facts please?  Do you think two gay men will have the same social circles as a heterosexual couple, it is tantamount to child abuse.

[muppet]

I am not obsessed with it (repulsed would be a better word).I just cannot see who any child raised in an unnatural environment could turn out to be normal.

Like the Magdalene laundries, or an abused child who is raised while sworn to secrecy regarding his abuse?

Petty - what benefits could a young child have in society being raised by two men - and facts please?  Do you think two gay men will have the same social circles as a heterosexual couple, it is tantamount to child abuse.

Child abuse?

I feel sorry for people like you. You should seek help before you damage anyone. I really hope you get that help before you have any children.

[Itchy]

I am not obsessed with it (repulsed would be a better word).I just cannot see who any child raised in an unnatural environment could turn out to be normal.

Like the Magdalene laundries, or an abused child who is raised while sworn to secrecy regarding his abuse?

Petty - what benefits could a young child have in society being raised by two men - and facts please?  Do you think two gay men will have the same social circles as a heterosexual couple, it is tantamount to child abuse.

Child abuse?

I feel sorry for people like you. You should seek help before you damage anyone. I really hope you get that help before you have any children.

Agreed Muppet. It is sad to read tripe like that. You have the DUP on one side and on the other you can see the same types.

[Eamonnca1]

The horrifying outcome of being raised by same-sex parents:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSQQK2Vuf9Q

This kind of contribution is pointless, but then pointless contributions are par for the course. There being several billions sets of same sex parents then presumably a variety of situations can be identified. Presumably someone can find a case where both parent wore glasses and abused their children, but a sample of one says nothing about the desirability of bespectacled persons in general raising children.

Okay then. Let's hear your empirical evidence that shows that having same-sex parents is harmful.

[Eamonnca1]

I am not obsessed with it (repulsed would be a better word).

I'll bet you've got a mountain of lesbian porn taller than the Empire State Building.

I just cannot see who any child raised in an unnatural environment could turn out to be normal.

Try watching the link I posted above. Does that young fella look "normal" to you?

[Sidney]

I am not obsessed with it (repulsed would be a better word).I just cannot see who any child raised in an unnatural environment could turn out to be normal.

So if a man does his wife up the jacksie, is that unnatural?

Yes -do you or Sidney think differently?

I'll reveal my hand here.

No, I don't think it's unnatural at all, given that anal sex has been practised for as long as humans have been around.

Also, gay sex acts have been commonly observed in over 1,500 species in the animal kingdom, and I know the No camp are very big on what happens in the animal kingdom, when determining whether something is natural or not.

Here's another question: Is oral sex unnatural, given that, presumably, the No camp would be of the opinion that a mouth wasn't made for a penis to be inserted into?

[Sidney]

I am not obsessed with it (repulsed would be a better word).I just cannot see who any child raised in an unnatural environment could turn out to be normal.

Like the Magdalene laundries, or an abused child who is raised while sworn to secrecy regarding his abuse?

For generations in this country, children have subject to abuse at the hands of the Catholic Church, and yet we're told by some that we should listen to them in deciding what's best for children.

Forgive me if I don't listen.

[Olly]

I am not obsessed with it (repulsed would be a better word).I just cannot see who any child raised in an unnatural environment could turn out to be normal.

So if a man does his wife up the jacksie, is that unnatural?

Yes -do you or Sidney think differently?

I'll reveal my hand here.

No, I don't think it's unnatural at all, given that anal sex has been practised for as long as humans have been around.

Also, gay sex acts have been commonly observed in over 1,500 species in the animal kingdom, and I know the No camp are very big on what happens in the animal kingdom, when determining whether something is natural or not.

Here's another question: Is oral sex unnatural, given that, presumably, the No camp would be of the opinion that a mouth wasn't made for a penis to be inserted into?

Anyone else getting turned on by this recent discussion or is it just me?

[Sidney]

I am not obsessed with it (repulsed would be a better word).I just cannot see who any child raised in an unnatural environment could turn out to be normal.

So if a man does his wife up the jacksie, is that unnatural?

Yes -do you or Sidney think differently?

I'll reveal my hand here.

No, I don't think it's unnatural at all, given that anal sex has been practised for as long as humans have been around.

Also, gay sex acts have been commonly observed in over 1,500 species in the animal kingdom, and I know the No camp are very big on what happens in the animal kingdom, when determining whether something is natural or not.

Here's another question: Is oral sex unnatural, given that, presumably, the No camp would be of the opinion that a mouth wasn't made for a penis to be inserted into?

Anyone else getting turned on by this recent discussion or is it just me?

The question is - are you getting turned on by natural or artificial means?

[screenexile]

There is a need to differentiate between points.If a child is orphaned as a result of a car crash,and is then raised by two aunts for example,there is no issue,but it does become an issue if the same sex substitute parents are in a gay relationship with each other

What is the difference Tone please explain it to me! First of all why are two aunts living together?? Then what part of their relationship dynamic makes them better than 2 parents who love each other?? Male or female??

Yes I know your opinion is one I can't change as Oneill has alluded to on more than one occasion but the reality is the main crux of your argument is rooted in the old Testament and "tradition" surely if you're such a stickler for tradition the orangemen should march down Garvaghy freely???

[J70]

Homosexuality is now actively promoted in society, it appears cool to be gay (and yes it is a choice, I know someone who is gay who when they came out turned camp as any stereotypical homosexual) I say again to all the people campaigning for gay rights you would shit a kitten if your son / daughter told you they were gay - no matter what crap you are going to spout here, a man indulging in sexual gratification with another man is not a normal (and I am just using men here as it appears to be all men here), yes people have human rights, they should be able to get married and have all legal right for financial security that brings, but for two men to adopt a child is tantamount to child abuse in my opinion.

One personal anecdote of a gay person who turned up the campness after the release of coming out is proof that homosexuality is a choice? 

I presume your evidence that gay adoption is child abuse is just as robust!

[T Fearon]

Screen the difference in two aunts and a gay couple is simply the behaviour observed by the child.Eg two aunts wouldn't share the same bed.Also where or where not Orangemen or any other grouping parade does not exercise me in the slightest.

[armaghniac]

Okay then. Let's hear your empirical evidence that shows that having same-sex parents is harmful.

"Harmful" is pejorative, I didn't make a claim that have same sex parents was bad, only that different sex parents on balance were preferable.

You are the people seeking to change the constitution, you should be producing the evidence beyond reasonable doubt, not me. The constitution should not be changed in trivial way, but only if the evidence is clear, but all we get are these samples of one and spurious statements about equality.  At the very minimum the whole thing is being conducted with undue haste.

There is a lot of evidence that there problems with non biological parents than arise less with biological ones, the so called Cinderella Effect. Now I realise that this is not entirely clear, but the very least that we should expect is the collection of a proper amount of data to clarify things before changing constitutions and the like.

[topcuppla]

I say again anyone of the internet warriors here would shit a brick if their son / daughter told them they were gay, irrespective of what shite they spout here.  To say you would not be disappointed is a complete lie.  In primary school party invites come home most weeks and it appears all girls invite all girls and all boys invite all boys, I drop my youngest who is 5 off at a house or soft ball area and collect a few hours later.  If my youngest came home with a party invite from a child who's parents were Barry and Paddy they certainly wouldn't be dropped off to that party and I bet it would not be alone with reservations.  Also if it is OK for two men to adopt I take it that extends to a man who has went under surgery and got a few breasts, so a transexual and a gay male partner could also adopt, seriously what sort of message is that sending to a young child, it is wrong and society should be ashamed and taken to task for allowing this to occur.

[topcuppla]

As for Sidney he is obviously just a cub obsessed with watching porn from what he is posting.