Boxing Thread

Saffrongael · October 11, 2021, 01:24:41 PM

Lennox Lewis was a very good "big" boxer then, what was he 6ft 5'' ? And could box as well as anyone

nrico2006 · October 11, 2021, 01:55:46 PM

The thing is, you can't strip away size. That's why pound for pound lists do my head in, they mean nothing. The Heavyweight king is the best boxer in the world, with Fury being number 1 at the minute.

On another note, the judges cards weren't too bad at the weekend, although one judge only give Fury a 10-9 win in the 10th even though he knocked Wilder down.

JoG2 · October 11, 2021, 02:45:31 PM

Quote from: nrico2006 on October 11, 2021, 01:55:46 PM
The thing is, you can't strip away size. That's why pound for pound lists do my head in, they mean nothing. The Heavyweight king is the best boxer in the world, with Fury being number 1 at the minute.

On another note, the judges cards weren't too bad at the weekend, altho8ugh one judge only give Fury a 10-8 win in the 10th even though he knocked Wilder down.

Is 10-8 not right? With a 10-7 for example for a 2 knock downs in a round?

nrico2006 · October 11, 2021, 04:19:51 PM

Quote from: JoG2 on October 11, 2021, 02:45:31 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 11, 2021, 01:55:46 PM
The thing is, you can't strip away size. That's why pound for pound lists do my head in, they mean nothing. The Heavyweight king is the best boxer in the world, with Fury being number 1 at the minute.

On another note, the judges cards weren't too bad at the weekend, altho8ugh one judge only give Fury a 10-8 win in the 10th even though he knocked Wilder down.

Is 10-8 not right? With a 10-7 for example for a 2 knock downs in a round?

Sorry, I meant he only gave him a 10-9 win.

gallsman · October 11, 2021, 04:50:29 PM

Lads slating Lennox Lewis. Really? He's one of the greatest heavyweights of all time lads

gallsman · October 11, 2021, 04:58:37 PM

Quote from: nrico2006 on October 11, 2021, 01:55:46 PM
The thing is, you can't strip away size. That's why pound for pound lists do my head in, they mean nothing. The Heavyweight king is the best boxer in the world, with Fury being number 1 at the minute.

On another note, the judges cards weren't too bad at the weekend, although one judge only give Fury a 10-9 win in the 10th even though he knocked Wilder down.

That's absolutely nonsense. Was Wlad ever a better boxer than Mayweather? Than Pacquiao?

bennydorano · October 11, 2021, 05:29:02 PM

Heavyweight division going to be very interesting for a couple of years. Dillian Whyte (assuming he wins his end of month bout) waiting in the wings for Fury, a very dangerous customer.

Reading bits and pieces about AJ and I see red flags. Days after his defeat he was saying he's learned his lesson from first Usyk fight, I don't see how??? The only way I see him winning the rematch is if he comes back a stone plus heavier and clobbers him, there's no parallel universe anywhere where he outboxes Usyk. Now he's supposedly back in training for the rematch earmarked for Spring - unless that's PR it seems way too early, he's hardly comedown of his defeat ffs. There's a real whiff of panic imo.

nrico2006 · October 11, 2021, 07:42:01 PM

Quote from: gallsman on October 11, 2021, 04:58:37 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 11, 2021, 01:55:46 PM
The thing is, you can't strip away size. That's why pound for pound lists do my head in, they mean nothing. The Heavyweight king is the best boxer in the world, with Fury being number 1 at the minute.

On another note, the judges cards weren't too bad at the weekend, although one judge only give Fury a 10-9 win in the 10th even though he knocked Wilder down.

That's absolutely nonsense. Was Wlad ever a better boxer than Mayweather? Than Pacquiao?

Wise up. Klitschko would have beat both those fighters if they had fought, therefore he was the better boxer.

gallsman · October 11, 2021, 09:00:39 PM

Quote from: nrico2006 on October 11, 2021, 07:42:01 PM
Quote from: gallsman on October 11, 2021, 04:58:37 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 11, 2021, 01:55:46 PM
The thing is, you can't strip away size. That's why pound for pound lists do my head in, they mean nothing. The Heavyweight king is the best boxer in the world, with Fury being number 1 at the minute.

On another note, the judges cards weren't too bad at the weekend, although one judge only give Fury a 10-9 win in the 10th even though he knocked Wilder down.

That's absolutely nonsense. Was Wlad ever a better boxer than Mayweather? Than Pacquiao?

Wise up. Klitschko would have beat both those fighters if they had fought, therefore he was the better boxer.

That's not how it works. Weight classes have existed since the London Prize Ring days for a reason. Wlad is an all time great fighter, and both of them were infinitely superior to him.

Countless heavyweights you've never heard the name of would KO Mayweather and Pacquiao. Are they all "better boxers" then them?

Catch yourself on.

Saffrongael · October 11, 2021, 09:03:22 PM

Quote from: gallsman on October 11, 2021, 04:50:29 PM
Lads slating Lennox Lewis. Really? He's one of the greatest heavyweights of all time lads

Exactly, what a jab he had

Wildweasel74 · October 11, 2021, 10:10:22 PM

They bigger but no where near as fit. Wilder from a boxing point of view is very limited, Fury fighting 2 stone overweight, Foreman who hits harder that Wilder would knock Fury out. Fury size would be a major advantage against shorter heavyweights under 6ft but I believe Tyson (Mike) would knocked Fury out with close-in uppercuts.

Taylor · October 12, 2021, 08:34:04 AM

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 11, 2021, 10:10:22 PM
They bigger but no where near as fit. Wilder from a boxing point of view is very limited, Fury fighting 2 stone overweight, Foreman who hits harder that Wilder would out Fury out. Fury size would be a major advantage against shorter heavyweights under 6ft but I believe Tyson (Mike) would knocked Fury out with close-in uppercuts.

Wait? What?

HiMucker · October 19, 2021, 09:48:26 PM

Decided to watch the Tyson doc again on prime there.
And remembered agreeing with some of the posts here that the current heavyweights absolutely would compete with previous eras no problem due to size. And agreeing that Fury probably just being humble about Tyson knocking him out in 30 secs. I'll be honest completely changed my mind again lol. Jesus nearly forgot how ferocious a puncher he was. The speed power, I haven't seeing anything like it since. I'd say Fury maybe isn't far wrong.

bennydorano · October 19, 2021, 09:56:24 PM

Tyson at his peak was unreal, I personally think he was the greatest heavyweight ever but he was of my era and I watched (experienced) a lot of his fights, I can't say the same for Ali, Foreman, Frazier and the long list of Champs before them, few good uns since Tyson but not as good.

Man Marker · October 20, 2021, 10:49:26 AM

The aggression, ferocity, power and shear badness that Tyson had for the short period he dominated was simply insane. Started to fall apart before the Buster Douglas fight, then he went to jail for rape. Got his act together in there and came out and butchered a few warm ups before destroying Bruno to regain the world title. After that we never saw the same Tyson. Parties, woman and drugs with multiple people taking advantage of his vulnerability.