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Non GAA Discussion => General discussion => Topic started by: bennydorano on November 04, 2007, 09:00:01 PM
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Can't find one (if there is one).
Anyone watch Calzaghe v Kessler? Great fight, kept you on the edge of your seat from go to wo. Calzaghe a deserving enough winner on the volume of shots and style but Kessler had all the power, CAlzaghe could've hit him until next week and would never have knocked him down. I'd fear for Calzaghe if he steps up to light heavy as seems to be his plan, as he really is powderpuff in the power stakes. Kessler is a classy, powerful fighter and will surely be the next super middleweight champ if Joe moves up. Fair play to Joe, he's up there with the greats, like Charlie Nash, hugh Russell and sam storey :P
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i didnt see this fight but from reading some reports on it, it sounds like it was a cracker.
so is joe now going to take some fights over in the US? hopkins? what you think his chances would be at that weight? age is against him
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Thought it was a great fight. Calazaghe is one of the all time greats. He was struggling early when he tried to turn it into a brawl with Kessler's power but showed how adoptable he can be to pick Kessler of with clever boxing for the rest of the fight. People say he has no power but his knockout rate speaks for itself and Kessler himself admitted to be being hurt by his punches. Kesslers face looked bad enough after the fight whereas you would hardly have known Calazghe was in a fight. Id say he only has 1 or 2 fights left as age will soon catch up on him but think he should still have enough left to account for an aging Hopkins. Dont think there's any other light heavyweights that he couldnt beat. Clinton Woods is fairly usefull at that weight but dont think it would be a big enough pay day to risk taking him on.
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good fight even if i had to stay up to 1am to watch it
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sounds like it was a great fight. joe has said himself that hes nearly finished and will only be giving it one more year. would fancy him against hopkins i think (what age is hopkins now, must be 43 or 44) but in saying that it will probably turn into a brawl. id say that will be his next fight though as he has done all he can do at super middle.
im genuinely interested in the boxing but yet couldnt see the fight on sat night (dad wasnt at all happy with me suggesting subscription to setanta). big problem. gaa should take note.
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Calzaghe did very well to win on Saturday, after 6 rounds it was really touch and go, and I thought Kessler looked the stronger. However, like a great champion, he went into the trenches to take a bit out of Kessler and then jabbed well for the remaining rounds to clinch a deserved victory.
A good fight, Kessler was a very dignified loser as well, respect all round.
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Calzaghe showed what an exceptional champion he was on Saturday by adapting his strategy after a nervy first 6 rounds to end up cruising away with the fight.
The fight on this Saturday, Cotto v Mosley should be an ansolute cracker, which is on Setanta. Cotto v Judah was a super fight last time and as Mosley is more disciplined than Judah he may give Cotto a lot of trouble.
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anyone going to the duddy fight in the kings hall? tickets are £40, dunno whether to go or not. think it could be a good fight and definitely think eastman could give him his toughest fight yet. have seen him a couple of times on tv and he looks a very durable fighter. is duddy all hes cracked up to be?
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anyone going to the duddy fight in the kings hall? tickets are £40, dunno whether to go or not. think it could be a good fight and definitely think eastman could give him his toughest fight yet. have seen him a couple of times on tv and he looks a very durable fighter. is duddy all hes cracked up to be?
I haven't seen him fight yet, but my Dad has and says he is too easy to hit and cuts up too much. A likeable bloke, but not top quality.
I was surprised he is fighting Eastman - Eastman is lazy and is on the decline now but he is experienced and can really dig when he decides to throw a few punches. If Eastman prepares and applies himself well, I wouldn't be surprised if he beats Duddy.
McCullough is meant to be fighting on the 1st Dec as well - I don't know why they are not on the same bill and give local fight fans some good value. Brian Magee is fighting too so it would then be a decent bill, Duddy topping, followed by McCullough, then Magee. I wouldn't be surprised if the McCullough bill is cancelled mind you, he can't do the Kings Hall himself.
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anyone going to the duddy fight in the kings hall? tickets are £40, dunno whether to go or not. think it could be a good fight and definitely think eastman could give him his toughest fight yet. have seen him a couple of times on tv and he looks a very durable fighter. is duddy all hes cracked up to be?
I haven't seen him fight yet, but my Dad has and says he is too easy to hit and cuts up too much. A likeable bloke, but not top quality.
I was surprised he is fighting Eastman - Eastman is lazy and is on the decline now but he is experienced and can really dig when he decides to throw a few punches. If Eastman prepares and applies himself well, I wouldn't be surprised if he beats Duddy.
McCullough is meant to be fighting on the 1st Dec as well - I don't know why they are not on the same bill and give local fight fans some good value. Brian Magee is fighting too so it would then be a decent bill, Duddy topping, followed by McCullough, then Magee. I wouldn't be surprised if the McCullough bill is cancelled mind you, he can't do the Kings Hall himself.
Your Da knows what he's talking about. Duddy' defence is non existing and the first fight against a big hitter he will be on the canvas. (I hope i'm wrong)
The young lad from Lurgan is on that bill as well, S Haughian if he get the right men in his corner he could go places
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Calzaghe put on a great show in what was a fantastic fight, even at 35 he just was far too quick for him. He'll step up to fight at light-heavy now, probably fight Hopkins and maybe 1 or 2 fights after that. He'll find the step-up in weight tricky as he hasn't got the most deadly punch, but should still beat Hopkins if the fight comes about (think "the Executioner" is 42 now).
I'm no expert but have been very unimpressed any time I've seen Duddy, no way he'll ever become a world champion which is what his team seem to think. He just gains a lot of hype as he's based in NY and is a big draw due to the Irish immigrant fanbase there.
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Duddy, continually says himself he's nowhere near ready for a world title shot, for some reason I dont believe that he thinks that, I think he's a cocky so'n'so, who think's he's a lot better than he actually is. Eastman could quite easily beat him.
What about Dunne, is he going to make a comeback? Kiko Martinez will bate the dung out of him again if he does.
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Best fight ever was Rocky v Ivan Drago :)
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as jim 'the pink panther' rock said about dunne, you can do all the weights you want but it wont put muscles on your chin.
if he is to make a comeback maybe he should be a bit more modest this time, and maybe hold his hands up a bit higher as well.
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Duddy, continually says himself he's nowhere near ready for a world title shot, for some reason I dont believe that he thinks that, I think he's a cocky so'n'so, who think's he's a lot better than he actually is. Eastman could quite easily beat him.
what is based on? assumptions? top lad and a decent boxer
McCullough to beat Martinez over the distance
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Duddy, continually says himself he's nowhere near ready for a world title shot, for some reason I dont believe that he thinks that, I think he's a cocky so'n'so, who think's he's a lot better than he actually is. Eastman could quite easily beat him.
what is based on? assumptions? top lad and a decent boxer
McCullough to beat Martinez over the distance
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100% based on assumptions, hence the use of the words, 'I think' and 'I believe'.
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Duddy, continually says himself he's nowhere near ready for a world title shot, for some reason I dont believe that he thinks that, I think he's a cocky so'n'so, who think's he's a lot better than he actually is. Eastman could quite easily beat him.
what is based on? assumptions? top lad and a decent boxer
McCullough to beat Martinez over the distance
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100% based on assumptions, hence the use of the words, 'I think' and 'I believe'.
nice one
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I see Andy Murray from Cavan is fighting James Gorman from Belfast on the undercrad to the Duddy fight, a ten rounder for the Irish light welter weight title...
Anyone any idea what Gorman is like?
I have a feeling Murray will take this one, but Goram is from the Shankill as far as I iknow, a tough b**tard who will have a large following in the King's Hall
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dont think duddy will go anywhere in the long run - seen him in New York, and the "irish" yanks love him, he can fill a stadium here no probs. Technically I'm not impressed by him, he doesn't seem to have any power or defense and has struggled through messy fights with has been and never were fighters.
I predict Eastman to drop him - HARD
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dont think duddy will go anywhere in the long run - seen him in New York, and the "irish" yanks love him, he can fill a stadium here no probs. Technically I'm not impressed by him, he doesn't seem to have any power or defense and has struggled through messy fights with has been and never were fighters.
I predict Eastman to drop him - HARD
Whats with the talk a few weeks ago of Duddy challanging Kelly Pavlick. Duddy found it tough against some bum only a few weeks ago. Pavlick would give him a lesson in boxing if they two ever met, wouldnt go past 3 rounds.
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duddy is surviving at the minute on the hopes of the Irish americans and his bums on seats marketability
he will continue to take the long road to the title and fight journeymen because he will never be good enough
even if he beats eastman look for press releases and statements from his management saying nobody will take fights with him
He doesnt live up to his hype at all - and he knows it - but fair play - he is earning what he can from a dying sport
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Said a long time ago that Duddy was a lot of hype and not massive amount of substance. I stand by that - leaves himself far too open and has no lateral movement. He can dig but Eastman has a good chin and has operated at much higher level, losing by stoppage only to Miranda (stopped by Pavlik in eliminator to fight Taylor) who is a bigger puncher than Duddy. If Eastman turns it on (which he does all too rarely) he should win handily enough. Andy Lee is much more of a prospect all together.
Didn't see the Dunne-Martinez fight but McCullough has such a good chin he'll likely survive the distance - he cant punch though hence is likely to be used as bit of a punch bag for 10-12 rounds.
Was raging to miss the Kessler-Calzaghe fight as was on holiday. Thought Kessler would just be that bit young and strong so fair dues to Calzaghe. He is a great fighter but he is not an all time great fighter - best five names on his record are Kessler, Eubank, Lacey, Brewer and Mitchell.
Someone mentioned Mosley maybe causing Cotto a few problems. I fancy Mosley to win easily enough, possibly by stoppage. I think he is the bigger puncher and has great chin (don't think he has ever been stopped, despite nearly being down and out in first loss to Forrest) and is still one of the faster fighters in the sport. Cotto on the other hand is reasonably fast, has great power and like Hatton has savage body attack and great stamina. He has frequently been hurt however by much lighter punchers than Mosley. I imagine is a potential fight of the year candidate as don't see Mosley being intimidated by Cotto's strength, hence don't think he will need to box him to win. Mosley TKO round 9. Bloody shame it's on Setanta!
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good to see you back chattin about the boxing Cike, you have a mind full of boxing info. you must follow it closely. what ever happened to your old thread, it was full of great info.
i like most other irish fight fans would love to see duddy do well but cant see it. eastman will be by far his biggest test yet and could well beat him. maybe harold will dye his beard blonde again for the craic as well.
wats the craic with this lad haughian. have heard a few people talking about him. where does he fight out of? is he one to watch?
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Didn't see the Dunne-Martinez fight but McCullough has such a good chin he'll likely survive the distance - he cant punch though hence is likely to be used as bit of a punch bag for 10-12 rounds.
Someone mentioned Mosley maybe causing Cotto a few problems. I fancy Mosley to win easily enough, possibly by stoppage. I think he is the bigger puncher and has great chin (don't think he has ever been stopped, despite nearly being down and out in first loss to Forrest) and is still one of the faster fighters in the sport. Cotto on the other hand is reasonably fast, has great power and like Hatton has savage body attack and great stamina. He has frequently been hurt however by much lighter punchers than Mosley. I imagine is a potential fight of the year candidate as don't see Mosley being intimidated by Cotto's strength, hence don't think he will need to box him to win. Mosley TKO round 9. Bloody shame it's on Setanta!
I agree with your McCullough prediction.
I haven't seen too much of Mosley or Cotto, but have read a lot about their fights. It's a hard one to choose but I think I would favour Mosley too - either way, its shaping up to be a good fight. On the boxing forums the opinions are split on it. My Da has Setanta so if he records it for me I'll get a chance to watch it.
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For those of you like BTW who were sent to bed after Match of the Day last saturday the much maligned BBC has negotiated the rights to show the Calzaghe fight at lunchtime this saturday.
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A predictably easy enough win for Froch against Reid last night. No way will he get a shot at Calzaghe though - if Calzaghe was three or four years younger then possibly but not when he has one or two fights left in him. Not that he deserves a shot in any way given the people he has beaten aren't world beaters by any stretch of the imagination - Reid was a good boxer 8-10 years ago but was outboxed by Brian Magee despite dropping him a couple times and was destroyed by Lacy - and we saw what Calzaghe did to him.
Apart from the Moslet Cotto fight tonight, David Haye fights Jean Marc Mormeck in Paris for the right to be called the number one cruiserweight in the world. Haye has awesome power but his chin was tested against Carl Thompson and didn't stand up to well. Mormeck has been in against some big punchers himself and is teak tough. Although he was stopped in 10 rounds by O'Neill Bell a couple years back he won the rematch. He has had many more tough fights than Haye whose stamina has been called into question on many occasions. If it goes past 6 rounds then I think you'd have to fancy Mormeck, before that though I'm not quite sure.
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Getting all my predictions wrong lately...Cotto wins by UD over Mosley and Haye stops Mormeck in 7th. Haven't seen either yet but Cotto now in line to fight winner of Mayweather v Hatton. Previously I wouldn't have given him a chance against Mayweather as didn't think he would be able to handle his speed and agility but Mosley is quite a bit faster then the Pretty Boy, but now it could be a pick em.... He'd have to start favourite vs Hatton I think as he is the bigger man and heavier puncher - if Hatton wins that could be the fight of the decade never mind of the year - the two of them are non stop action.
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Haye's power got him out of that fight. Brutal finish.
He said he was hurt in the 4th and the wweight he had to lose to make the fight had drained him. He sadi he is not fighting at cruiserweight anymore.
Mosley tried to put a dent in Cotto but couldn't and had to resort to keeping his range. It was a close enough fight scoring wise, but Cotto was the better man. Cotto's defense improved considerably from the Judah fight. He will be very difficult to beat, he is too big for Hatton and I don't think Mayweather could hurt him.
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right lads who is going to buy this mayweather hatton fight? have to say im tempted, it better live up to expectations though!!
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how much will it cost and what time will it start (the main event that is, not the coverage)?
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costs £14.95. its in the early hours, not sure exactly what time the main feature usually starts but id say it will be around 2 or 2.30.
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will def watch it. havent look forward to a fight as much maybe ever. don't think ive ever wanted to say an English sports victory as strongly before
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how much will it cost and what time will it start (the main event that is, not the coverage)?
Hatton v Mayweather will start around 4.00 in the morning.
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will def watch it. havent look forward to a fight as much maybe ever. don't think ive ever wanted to say an English sports victory as strongly before
I'd agree, I wasn't disappointed with the football last night, but I'd like to see Hatton win and he'll certainly give it everything he's got. I wouldn't be surprised if he wins. If Mayweather fights like he did against De La Hoya he will get beat, Hatton will put too much pressure on him.
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i'll be buying it no matter what the cost. Mayweather easily on pts though I think. Just a better boxer. Eamon Magee flooring hatton still leaves me with doubts over him.
What do you guys make of David Haye ? Basically best crusierweight in the world now, and stepping up to heavy... is he the real deal ?
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Haye is seriously good offensively, very accurate and fast puncher.
However, I think he may be a bit chinny.
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Did anyone see the first part of the build up on Sky last night? They are doing 4 preview shows in the run up to the fight narrated by the American man who does those class intros for all the big fights. The hype has got me hooked and i will certainly pay the £14.95, plenty of footage of Hatton in his trainer's gym, Billy 'the Preacher' Graham - his is some operator, he is a chain smoking Salford man who looks as hard as nails (real street fighter material). Hatton comes across as very likeable and down to earth, but he seems too keen to project the 'I have not forgotten where I came from' mantra. Mayweather is an absolute t*t, though his class as a boxer is not in question, but he is Kanye West's half brother in waiting!
Incidentally the Sunday Times Magazie had a great interview with Hatton last week, well worth reading, apparently Rooney or Beckham will carry his belt into the ring subject to their availability (if it was next June they could both do it!!).
Just hope the fight lives up to expectations.
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dont know about that doogie, read an article on the bbc website where Hatton said he wouldn't have any belts brought to the ring, so as he could 'feel like the challenger'
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I can see where he is coming from with that alright steve, but I was only replicating what I read. But that would be much better as Mayweather is very flash and sure to have a massive entourage with him, if Hatton keeps it simple would be less distractions. Think Hatton is 2/1 with a lot of the bookies is this accurate and more importantly has he got much of a chance against Mayweather's class?
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I can see where he is coming from with that alright steve, but I was only replicating what I read. But that would be much better as Mayweather is very flash and sure to have a massive entourage with him, if Hatton keeps it simple would be less distractions. Think Hatton is 2/1 with a lot of the bookies is this accurate and more importantly has he got much of a chance against Mayweather's class?
I think Hatton has an excellent chance. He is a lot more skilled than people give him credit for. Mayweather hasn't ko'd anyone for a long time, he won't be able to significantly hurt Hatton unlike Kostya Tzsyu, who if he had connected properly could have ko'd him. Hatton will be on top of him for the entire fight and won't let him breathe. I think it'll be a lot tighter than some people think, is probably a certainty to go the distance.
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Ach this isn't as good as the bodybuilding thread!!!
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is probably a certainty to go the distance.
Nice one glens :D
The 2/1 on Hatton is probably just too big
Mayweather is a class act, but as stated before Hatton will be at him from the very start, constantly coming forward & giving him no rest at all. If Hatton can keep at him for the 1st 6/7 rounds an upset could be on the cards towards the end of the fight IMHO
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is probably a certainty to go the distance.
Nice one glens :D
The 2/1 on Hatton is probably just too big
Mayweather is a class act, but as stated before Hatton will be at him from the very start, constantly coming forward & giving him no rest at all. If Hatton can keep at him for the 1st 6/7 rounds an upset could be on the cards towards the end of the fight IMHO
Didn't even notice that fullback, had to read it back a couple of times. :D
I really hope Hatton does ko him, he's never be the same cocksure arrogant fecker again.
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My brother was in a bar in Spain about 6,7 years ago playing pool when a coupe of lads put a few quid on the table. My bro was with his girlfriend and there was very few other people around. They finnished their game, and told the other lads to play on. One of the boys waiting said...
"You own the table, so I'll pay if you want a game"
My brother said no problem, and ended up playing for a hour or so with, having the craic. He said they were 'sound'. After half an hour, this girl walks in and asks one of the guys for an autograph. Strange he thinks...
A wee while later....it happens again.
Eventually after half-a-dozen autograph hunters, photographs etc. the guy doing the signing heads to the toilet. My brother asks his mate 'who's yer man?'
'That's Ricky..he does a wee bit of boxing back home'.
My brother thought nothing of it, as he was so down to earth.
With this attitude....I say....come on Ricky!
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I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think Hatton stands a chance against Mayweather. Hopefully even if he does get beat he'll put up a good fight though and get another big pay-day against Mayweather again or Cotto.
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I think Mayweather wins by three clear rounds, as follows:
1) DLH couldn't hurt Mayweather and is bigger and stronger than Hatton. If DLH can't bully him neither will Hatton.
2) Hatton couldn't hurt Collazo in his only previous fight at welterweight.
3) Hatton faded badly down the stretch in the Collazo fight - I had him losing by at least three rounds and thought it was robbery.
4) Floyd is ALWAYS in tip top shape and definitely has the stamina I believe - even though Hatton will be over him like a rash
5) Floyd is defensively brilliant on the inside with the way he tucks in his elbows and rolls the shoulders.
6) Looking at Hatton on the documentary last night, he looks about 10 yrs older than he is - he has very few fights left in him, and I wouldn't pay too much attention to him beating Castillo the way he did (awesome shot as it was)
7) Floyd is, quite simply, the most skilful boxer of the last 20 years - his amazing footwork and agility means he is rarely in trouble - he aint called the Pretty Boy for nothing - there is barely a mark on him after twenty years in the ring.
I want Floyd to win as I think he is just incredible. If he does and then beats Cotto, then I think he has the right to be called the best since Ali.
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Does anyone know a link to an online stream to see Felix Trinidad v Roy Jones Jr this weekend?
They're both shot fighters but because of this it could be a real slugfest, they're not going to have great stamina so I can't imagine that it will go the distance.
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go to myp2p.eu
look for sopcast
you can watch a bunch of sporting events including soccer that is normally on sky
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Happy as a pig in sh1te. Ticketmaster released more tickets for Andy Lee's fight in Limerick on the 2nd, and I managed to get 2 of them. I forgot about it when they initially went on sale.
Still no opponent named, but sure the undercard should be a bit of craic anyway.
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go to myp2p.eu
look for sopcast
you can watch a bunch of sporting events including soccer that is normally on sky
Cheers, I just heard its on Setanta anyway after the Matt Skelton heavyweight title fight, so i'll be able to watch it on that
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would be very surprised to see anything other than a Jones Jr win. Tito was great to watch but was never a great boxer. His awesome power got him out of trouble on numerous occasions and he has been down on his arse many times. Jones has always fought at a heavier weight than Tito, has taken heavier punches and is naturally the bigger and stronger man, as well as being faster and more skilful. He has showed in his last couple of fights that he still has a bit to offer, and I would be surprised if it wasn't enough to stop Tito down the stretch
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would be very surprised to see anything other than a Jones Jr win. Tito was great to watch but was never a great boxer. His awesome power got him out of trouble on numerous occasions and he has been down on his arse many times. Jones has always fought at a heavier weight than Tito, has taken heavier punches and is naturally the bigger and stronger man, as well as being faster and more skilful. He has showed in his last couple of fights that he still has a bit to offer, and I would be surprised if it wasn't enough to stop Tito down the stretch
Would agree with that, Trinidad has hardly fought in the past couple of years and the weight step-up could be a big problem. I hear RJJ is talking about trying to engineer a fight with Calzaghe if they both win their upcoming fights, I hope Calzaghe doesn't go for that simply to line his pockets. If those 2 were going to fight they should have done it years ago.
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Any thoughts on the Pavlick Taylor scrap at the weekend?
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I hope this is on Sky or Setanta does anyone know? This will be a close one to call, I hope Pavlik wins as he's been lined up to fight John Duddy for a title fight in the spring (belts aren't on the line for this weekend's fight) and it would lose a lot of the glamour if Pavlik was to get beat by Taylor. For a man whose beaten Hopkins twice, drew with Winky Wright and has only one defeat on his record Taylor has never really got huge credit he deserves though and I think he'll be really spurred on to get his revenge on Pavlik.
I see after Andy Lee's latest victory Emmanuel Steward said Lee was the best middleweight in the world at the minuute, that's big talk I look forward to the Limerick man getting a shot at one of these two hopefully later in the year or early 2009.
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I hope this is on Sky or Setanta does anyone know?
Setanta it is.
Hope Pavlick does it as well - more that Duddy is next up for him. Strong words from Steward re Lee alright- Early next year for Andy I think - couple of more fights and then the title. Honestly think he has all the attributes necessary.
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The worry about Lee for me is that he seems to cut a bit easily. The Argentinian fella barely laid a glove on him, but he still cut him with a shot. I thought it was a clash of heads, but I think it was a right that did it. Also, Lee got cut in a clash with McKay.
Unless he can sort that out, and it's very hard to do anything about that, when he starts taking more punches against better fighters he will cut up.
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Seen in the Irish news yesterday that Hatton is calling out Mayweather for a rematch :o He says he wants to fight him at Manchester Citys home ground!! Anyone here any confirmation of this?
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its on BBC boxing - he wants a rematch and has been in contact with Mayweather since the match.
Says that he wants to fight him but with a different ref - that the ref in their last fight made him afraid to get stuck in (or words to that effect).
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The Taylor - Pavlik rematch should be a good one, though rematches seldom live up to the billing, particularly when one was pretty convincingly stopped the last time. However, Pavlik was nearly stopped in the second round last time and might be susceptible in the early rounds again. If Taylor learns to duck away from Pavlik's right hand, he could get a decision too.
Pavlik isn't fancy but he is strong as an ox - he's the favourite and rightly so, but if I had to stick a pound down I'd go for Taylor in an upset.
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i dunno if i would have pavlik as favourite, taylor should have had him beat early in the fight. he walked into a few of pavliks big punches and couldn stand up to them, i dont think he'll get caught like that again. taylor to win in third round knockout. if taylor does win, do you think they will fight for the belts in a third match??
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Time flies didn't realise this was on already.
First fight was a great fight, and after having started slowly in a couple fights and having never started at all against Cory Spinks, Taylor came out pretty fast and almost had him away. He knows he can knock him out which will be psychologically important.
Of course, things didn't go to plan and as the fight wore on, Pavlik's huge heart and massive right began to become important factors. The fight was correctly stopped, but it has largely been forgotten that Taylor wasn't in any sort of trouble prior to that point - yes he was being caught, but dont think anyone expected the KO the way it happened - spectacular and fairly brutal. Taylor is without shadow a doubt the better boxer, equally Pavlik definitely a better fighter. In this type of scenario always inclined to go with the brains over brawn and the ring smarts to win the day.
Taylor by split decision in a fight where he is required to show more heart than he ever has in his career so far.
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Well Pavlick by unanimous decision. He's a tough fighter who I think would beat Duddy
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i underestimated pavlik, he won pretty convincinly. he may not knock duddy out, but the way duddy tends to cut would be a big worry for me. duddy will definately fancy his chances as pavlik is well suited for him.
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i underestimated pavlik, he won pretty convincinly. he may not knock duddy out, but the way duddy tends to cut would be a big worry for me. duddy will definately fancy his chances as pavlik is well suited for him.
I'd disagree Bridgegael, Pavlik will destroy Duddy, he's on a different level. Obviosuly Duddy has a punchers chance and he needs to get to him early, otherwise he's in trouble. I fear he could get badly hurt.
I had Pavlik winning by a point against Taylor who threw the classier punches but seemed fearful of applying too much pressure in case it went the same way as the first contest.
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Duddy has a decent chin (he needs to given how much he lets himself get hit) but would still be shocked if he managed to go the distance against Pavlik. Thought the fight last night was closer than it was scored, I thought it was pretty much level until the last 2 rounds.
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Duddy has a decent chin (he needs to given how much he lets himself get hit) but would still be shocked if he managed to go the distance against Pavlik. Thought the fight last night was closer than it was scored, I thought it was pretty much level until the last 2 rounds.
Me too. I had it 115 - 113. Taylor got off most of the best shots, but Pavlik was more consistant, and almost always on the front foot. If he could have found the body earlier, I think he'd have stopped Taylor.
Very good fight though. Just shows you the level Andy Lee has to get to. Not there yet by a long chalk I think.
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had the fight 115 to 113 for pavelik.cannot see duddy going the distance with pavelik as he will take too much punishment.i thought taylor fought a good fight but if a fighter with his speed and power cannot beat pavelik how is duddy going to beat him as he is a few notches below taylor in terms of talent and boxing skill?
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How do you boys score these fights when watching them on the tv? Just marks out of 10 for the rounds? I notice sometimes the judges marking the cards 8s, 9s and 10s for most of the rounds. What happens when its a top notch fight versus a crap one? Does the average of the marks decrease - or are these the numbers generally awarded to the fighters regardless of the standard of the fight.
I dont mind admitting I havnt a notion. But I did break both my hands in the ring once...
The refs kept stepping on them :-\
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How do you boys score these fights when watching them on the tv? Just marks out of 10 for the rounds? I notice sometimes the judges marking the cards 8s, 9s and 10s for most of the rounds. What happens when its a top notch fight versus a crap one? Does the average of the marks decrease - or are these the numbers generally awarded to the fighters regardless of the standard of the fight.
I dont mind admitting I havnt a notion. But I did break both my hands in the ring once...
The refs kept stepping on them :-\
The general standard is 10 points if you win the round, 9 points if you lose it, but nothing major happens. If you take a right tanking in the round you can lose it 10-8. Also if you are knocked down, it's 10-8. 2 knock downs is 10-7.
If the round is very tight it can be a draw (10-10).
In the pavlik fight, I had Pavlik winning 7 rounds, and Taylor winning 5. (That's 7*10 + 5*9 versus 5*10 + 7*9) That gave me 115 v 113.
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I see Pretty Boy Floyd is back in the ring again - this time a Professional Wrestling ring
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Heard Duddy was terrible on Saturday despite getting a win. He really is a journeyman who has managed to get himself a career above his station, based on NY's fondness of the Irish, and the fact he seems a decent spud.
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I saw the fight last night, and if Duddy shows such a blatant disregard for the basics of defensive boxing such as keeping your guard up, moving your head and moving your feet, he will be absolutely mauled by Pavlik.
He does seem to have a great chin, because some of the belts he took seemed to be good shots, but Pavlik has power as well, and I wouldn't fancy beating Pavlik if my tactic was to lead with my chin.
Also, like Lee, Duddy cuts up. Unlike Lee, he puts himself in position to be hit often, so he doesn't help himself. The cut he got under his left eye on Saturday should arguably have stopped the fight, and that would have been slán to Irish John Duddy as a serious title challenger.
I hope it was just over confidence, because Pavlik would have destroyed him on Saturday.
The heavyweight fight with Klitschko afterwards was a load of muck. Klitschko was cagey out, he should have stopped that lad in 4 or 5 rounds. I think he's actually afraid to get hit.
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Yeah Duddy was stupid alright - Leading with the chin is never a smart option. I'd say he'll be out for a while now to let those eyes recover.
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I see Pretty Boy Floyd is back in the ring again - this time a Professional Wrestling ring
and he's getting $20 million for it
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080226/ap_en_tv/box_wrestling_mayweather
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all right lads thinking of bringing my dad to Bernard dunnes fight in Breaffy house in castlebar ok i know ringside are the best seats ( €155 yo yo a pop bit too dear methinks) but what would be next best after that, tiered , flat? they are on sale at www.ticketmaster.ie
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anyone see the kiko martinez fight last night. he was beat on points by english fighter rendall munroe. munroe out boxed him throughout. kiko i thought showed himself to be a one trick pony, always looking for the big knockout punch. were will this leave bernard dunne now?? he was hoping for a rematch. if dunne were to fight munroe i would fancy dunne to win.
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anyone see the kiko martinez fight last night. he was beat on points by english fighter rendall munroe. munroe out boxed him throughout. kiko i thought showed himself to be a one trick pony, always looking for the big knockout punch. were will this leave bernard dunne now?? he was hoping for a rematch. if dunne were to fight munroe i would fancy dunne to win.
Yeah, agree with you here bridgegael, kiko always was looking for one big punch to win the fight and it never materialised. I though Munroe boxed smartly but he doesnt really have the calibre of a champion to me, i could not see this guy really taking charge of a fight but then again this is the 1st time i saw him and he would have been well aware of kiko's power so his gameplan was probably to back off as long as possible and try to pick him off with some sneaky punches. One thing Munroe has though is incredible stamina even if he lacks a bit of punching power, he fully deserved the victory last night as kiko was very ordinary when faced with a lengthy fight where it required more brains than brawn. Like to see a Munroe vs dunne fight now as Dunne would have the worry of being knocked the f**k out again!!!
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anyone see the kiko martinez fight last night. he was beat on points by english fighter rendall munroe. munroe out boxed him throughout. kiko i thought showed himself to be a one trick pony, always looking for the big knockout punch. were will this leave bernard dunne now?? he was hoping for a rematch. if dunne were to fight munroe i would fancy dunne to win.
Didn't see the fight as I was out last night, but despite the result I still think Dunne needs to seek out Martinez again if he is to have any credibility as a fighter and beat him to banish the demons of that night. Then he could possibly move on to get a world title shot in the next year or 2.
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Also the Haye Macarinelli fight is on tonight on Setanta I hear. I see Haye has been at the mind games turning up late for the press conference and insisting on an earlier weigh-in. Frank Warren was seriously pissed off with him, but I think its given Haye a bit of a psychological advantage as Macarinelli will be annoyed at his opponent gaining any supposed advantage. Macarinelli's main chance of winning tonight will be Haye's weight problems, he's had problems getting below 200lb and this will be his last fight at cruiserweight. Might impact on his power for the fight but I still expect him to win.
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link for tonight match, you need to download sopcast and use IE not firefox etc
http://livefooty.doctor-serv.com/sun9.3/Haye_Maccarinelli.html (http://livefooty.doctor-serv.com/sun9.3/Haye_Maccarinelli.html)
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Haye TKO round 2. He has awesome power so I think the step-up to heavyweight which will follow this fight won't be too much of a problem so long as he takes a bit of a lay-off to put on a few lbs and get used to the different weight. Going by what I've seen of the current top heavyweights I'd expect Haye to win a world title at heavy and maybe even unify the division within 2/3 years.
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Haye TKO round 2. He has awesome power so I think the step-up to heavyweight which will follow this fight won't be too much of a problem so long as he takes a bit of a lay-off to put on a few lbs and get used to the different weight. Going by what I've seen of the current top heavyweights I'd expect Haye to win a world title at heavy and maybe even unify the division within 2/3 years.
would agree with you there rav, there isn,t too much quality in the heavyweight division and haye would fancy his chances of cleaning up. he just blew enzo away with his power. i think he'd be a lot more comfortable with those extra pounds. won a few quid on the fight, had a few pound on haye to win in round two at 14/1 ;D
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I saw on setenta the last few rounds of the Manny Pacquiao vs. Juan Manuel Marquez fight that went down recently. Have to say pretty great stuff to watch, 2 guys giving it there all, 2 very good boxers it must be said. I think this was a rematch as the 1st time they met it ended in a draw.
Calzaghe vs Hopkins coming up soon should be a good one. Any other big profile fights around the corner that i should be on the look out for?
Anyone hear the rumour re Mayweather vs De Le Hoya possible rematch??
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http://www.fightnews.com/fightnews_2/headlines//EkpyEVEVVFcgzdBMqo.html
Shocking result!
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a shock indeed, where will this leave lee now?? a few weeks ago we thought ireland woul've at least one middleweight fighting in a title match, now it seems that won't happen. lee will be gutted with that result!
should be a good fight tonight with macklin and campus, if its anywhere as good as duddy and campus we're in for a treat.
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a shock indeed, where will this leave lee now?? a few weeks ago we thought ireland woul've at least one middleweight fighting in a title match, now it seems that won't happen. lee will be gutted with that result!
should be a good fight tonight with macklin and campus, if its anywhere as good as duddy and campus we're in for a treat.
Is this fight on TV Bridgegael?
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aye RTE2 at nine o clock
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should be a good fight tonight with macklin and campus
Enjoyed the fight from what i seen of it last night, Macklin got in some nice shots but you would always expect that to happen against a guy the age of campus. In saying this though i thought Macklin left himself open quite a number of times and was picked off himself on numerous occasions. Anyway good win all the same, hopefully Macklin can keep improving.
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Anyone watching this tonight?
Paul McCloskey 1/5
Draw 20/1
Cezar Bazan 3/1
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He's boxing very well.
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McCloskey wins 100 points to 91.
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Good result for Doody, but jeez the on Mexican didnt seem interested at all
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Good result for Doody, but jeez the on Mexican didnt seem interested at all
The Mexican has had a long career, a lot of fights, has fought some high profile boxers as well as being a world champion so we can assume he was a very good boxer in his prime. At 33 though he looks like a guy who wants to make it through a fight without getting knocked out or too badly beaten and simply collect his cheque at the end of the night!!
McCloskey though does look a very good techical boxer. After the fight the presenters and guests on RTE where saying that Ricky Hatton was asking a lot of questions about McCloskey as they think a match could develop between the two further down the line.
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Thought McCloskey looked very impressive - great at avoiding at the punches.
Also caught the end of the Andy Lee fight on Five US last week. Fair enough he took a lot of shots but he had started to throw a couple back and didn't seem in danger of being badly hurt. Tough call I suppose and I can understand why refs err on the side of caution but I think Lee has a right to be aggrieved.
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McCloskey was impressive alright, albeit against a fairly negative opponent. I actually scored it 100-92, as I thought the mexican got a draw in the 7th and 10th. However, McCloskey was throwing all the good shots, but he still looks a bit wild when he throws that big left hook. It comes from somewhere around his left buttock and if he misses, he ends up with his back to the opponent.
There was talk about Ricky Hatton asking about him, but I don't think McCloskey has the power to knock Hatton out, and he would have to, because Hatton would just keep coming forward, taking the odd one-two in a bid to get inside. And if he got inside, he would hurt McCloskey.
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Sorry to burst you're bubble lads (and i hope i'm wrong) but McCloskey is just above average. I watched a fight in Las Vegas on Sat night when Casamayor (36 year old) beat the Austrailian with a knockout in one of the best fights you'll see this year, the 2 of them stood toe to toe for 10 rounds (i think) before Casamayor knocked him out with a punch that would have floored Tyson. Now these guys are the same weight as McCloskey and he'd have been killed fighting them guys. McCloskey was good on the night but we have to be honest that the Mexican was pathetic on the night and hardly thru a punch all he done all night was fix his belt under his shorts (even when McCloskey was throwing punches at him) I hope McCloskey can make a few pound out ot the game but he'll not be no world champion.
P.S. Duddy and Andy Lee are in the same boat (above average fighters who are taking easy fights)
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Saw that Casamayor fight at the weekend, it was a belter- I see there is talk of amir khan fighting him next. Brave fella. Thats one tough cuban...
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That was a great fight alright. the Australian is no mug either. He has time on his side too.
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Sorry to burst you're bubble lads (and i hope i'm wrong) but McCloskey is just above average. I watched a fight in Las Vegas on Sat night when Casamayor (36 year old) beat the Austrailian with a knockout in one of the best fights you'll see this year, the 2 of them stood toe to toe for 10 rounds (i think) before Casamayor knocked him out with a punch that would have floored Tyson. Now these guys are the same weight as McCloskey and he'd have been killed fighting them guys. McCloskey was good on the night but we have to be honest that the Mexican was pathetic on the night and hardly thru a punch all he done all night was fix his belt under his shorts (even when McCloskey was throwing punches at him) I hope McCloskey can make a few pound out ot the game but he'll not be no world champion.
P.S. Duddy and Andy Lee are in the same boat (above average fighters who are taking easy fights)
Did Wayne fight Casamayor in the 1992 Olympic final?
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wee wayne was beat on points by our left handed friend
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Is this the fight?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99Zk1MFIFqo
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Is this the fight?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99Zk1MFIFqo
That is the fight Full Back, brilliant stuff so it was. Boxing is really coming back after a few barron years. I would rather watch the likes of these guys than the heavy weights though, far technically better.
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Last man to beat mccloskey and john duddy was Greencastles star forward Terry McDermott! both in amateur fights
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The heavyweight division is the only weight letting boxing down at the minute. There's no doubt Irish boxing is on the up
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Irish boxing is on the up at the minute but have we any real contender for a world title shot, i dont think we have. Theres too much hype in our own media about some of the irish boxers and this could affect them and they start to believe the hype, look at Bernard Dunne. He believed all the hype about himself and he was brought down to earth quickly.
Also the commentating by Jimmy Magee is a joke, i have never heard such biased commentating in my life, it ruins the fight for me.
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I agree with that last point re jimmy. I know he's trying to be everyone's favourite uncle, but some of his commentary is just wrong. He was saying that McCloskey was never missing with the left, when it was obvious to a blind man that he was spinning like the Tasmanian Devil at least once or twice every round as a big roundhouse left missed the target.
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Jimmy twice refered to McCloskey as McCauley (his co-comentator Dave Boy Mc Cauley) and once he refered to McCloskey as McGuigan!!
But listening to Jimmy commentate is annoying to say the least, his constant "this boy is pure class" and "he hasnt been hit once all night" just does my head in, how can he pure class, he is only starting out in pro boxing and i thought he was very wild at times with wild swinging but he does have a good defense and his head speed was impressive.
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I’ve been very impressed with McCloskey. Think he has better future prospects than Duddy or Lee.
He does seem to be the boxing equivilent of Andy Reid though in that he doesn’t have the normal muscle definition of a pro-boxer. He has all the natural talent but is he getting the proper training and coaching? Just wondering.
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He does seem to be the boxing equivilent of Andy Reid though in that he doesn’t have the normal muscle definition of a pro-boxer. He has all the natural talent but is he getting the proper training and coaching? Just wondering.
I thought the very same myself, the mexican looked far leaner than McCloskey but then again the Mexican was taller. McCloskey looks like he is carrying a bit of weight on him.
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any one going to the dunne fight in castlebar this weekend, looking forward to it as i have never been to live boxing before. I wonder will many jackeens cross the shannon to follow Dunne ;)
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The tickets were expensive 60 - 100 and 150
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i'm going and really looking forward to it. its a sell out i think and i am sure there will be a big crowd down from Dublin so should be a great atmosphere.
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anyone going to watch the prize-fight night on sky sports tomorrow night, should be interestin, something different. martin rogan is second favourite to win it all.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtB0gD6O_Ak
Hopkins looks a bit panicky to me "would'nt let myself get beat by a white boy"
Would have been some yappin match if Calzaghe had said something similar.
Roll on Sunday morning
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Some results for the amateurs at the weekend, there should be a coiple of decent medal chances come the olympics. Best of luck to all of them (even sutherland, who has to be one of the most obnoxious sportsmen to come out of this country)
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Dunne Fight
I didnt think Dunne won every round saturday night, The 35yr old Machaudo gave Dunne a good run untill round 6 and then he ran out of steam but i thought he did enough to win a few of the earlier rounds. Still not convinced by Dunne and he doesnt have any power in his shots.
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Was surprised myself that Dunne was given every round, smacked of a bit of home-country judging bias. Well done to all the Olympic boys and Martin Rogan, only saw his fight in the final of prizefighter what a slugfest that was!
I see Cotto won by TKO at the weekend, really hope Mayweather stops this f**king about with the WWF and and hinting at pointless rematches with DLH or Hatton, and takes a fight with Cotto instead, that would be some contest.
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Couldn't believe Dunne was given every round either. Some of the fights covered recently by RTE were far more one sided, without similar score cards from Tidt. Can only think it was down to use of the head possiblly, went down badly with the ref? I was impressed with Muchado though, for a man of his age you could see the craft and class. Dunne looked rusty, but like I said Muchado was no pushover, better him than some bum for his first fight back. At least it gave him and his camp a good indiocator as to whether he really can make the grade.
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Ludermore,
(even sutherland, who has to be one of the most obnoxious sportsmen to come out of this country)
What did he say or do?
Feel sorry for Nevin who because of his traveller back-ground couldn't find a hotel to celebrate his qualification :o
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Dinny,
its his general behaviour, load and aggorant and his supporters the same, they would be cut from teh same cloth as Dunnes fans in the point. He brings an awful crowd to the stadium. There is usually good banter for the amateurs between all the fans. Nevin and Joyce would come from traveller background so fair achievement for them.
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they would be cut from teh same cloth as Dunnes fans in the point.
Say no more....
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Agree that the scoring of the Dunne fight was bizarre. I thought Machaudo won a round or 2 and woulda shared another couple.
Bizarre ending to the first fight as well. Yes it was a low blow but don't think it hit Jesus on the "crown jewels" (Jimmy Magee your a legend!). Seemed like he didn't want to know to be honest. Reminded me a wee bit of that Irish title fight on Sky a couple of years ago (think it involved a lad called McDonagh) where one of fellas seemed to take a dive.
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Yea, it looked like the Bould Jesus knew the game was up and took the easy way out. the cavan lad was well on top of the situation and looked like he would have won handy.
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went to the boxing on saturday night, really enjoyable night no way did dunne win the 10 rounds in fact i'd say he would be lucky to have won 6 of them. On a side issue never came across thicker doormen in my life not from mayo of course ;) could do with learning some manners talk about been on a power trip
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At least the crowd in castlebar didnt boo Machuda they gave him a good reception not like the last fight i watched in letterkenny when they booed mccloskeys opponent
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did anyone watch last man standing on friday night?? a good nights entertainment though not a lot of classy fighting going on.
Rogan was very lively from the get-go in each of his fights - i wouldnt fancy wrestling him outside the White Fort on a Saturday night anyhow!
theres talk of more of these events for different weights, not sure if lightweights would be the same entertainment.
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I watched that Prizefighter thing as well. Suffice to say that I think Rogan wouldn't have beaten Dolan in a 10 or 12 round fight. He is a throwback to the old barroom brawler type. Still nice to see the tricolour when he won though :D
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yeah, noticed that - Magee was in his corner and wasnt long throwing the flag over him! total bar room brawler alright which is probably why he went all out straight away as he knew he had to do some damage early on as Dolan would have outboxed him simply.
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What time is Joe C Wales' fight on Saturday night? 4am?
I hope he shuts Hopkins up for good, I particularly like what he said when interviewed yesterday - "My dad always taught me to respect my elders, but the old man's going to get battered on Saturday night for 12 rounds."
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Bizarre ending to the first fight as well. Yes it was a low blow but don't think it hit Jesus on the "crown jewels" (Jimmy Magee your a legend!). Seemed like he didn't want to know to be honest. Reminded me a wee bit of that Irish title fight on Sky a couple of years ago (think it involved a lad called McDonagh) where one of fellas seemed to take a dive.
Things that were wrong with that post
1 It wasn't a low blow
2 It was Jim Rock who went on about crown jewels, not Magee
3 That fight was Gomez v McDonagh, the most infamous Irish fight of the last ten years. If you don't know that, you have no business commenting on a boxing thread!
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If Calzaghe can keep his cool then he should win on Saturday but it'll be a battle for him I think and will need to protect his chin as well.
Against Salem he lost his shape and got knocked down, and Bika roughed him up a lot too. If he avoids getting trapped in close, he should be able to outpoint Hopkins all being well.
I haven't seen much of Hopkins but you know he's going to be a canny operator in there.
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I really think Calzaghe can't lose this fight - famous last words!
If i had a house i'd put it on Calzaghe
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I really think Calzaghe can't lose this fight - famous last words!
If i had a house i'd put it on Calzaghe
ah FFS, thats the blight on now!
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http://www.justin.tv/mstv3 (http://www.justin.tv/mstv3)
link for boxing
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This fight will go the distance, Calzaghe to win by about 4 rounds I think. Hope the judges are fair to him.
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With 10 minutes to go I thought I'd comment, Hopkins doesn't seem to be to be his usual self in the pre-fight brouhaha. Either he's not as confident as he usually is, or he has found something in his armoury that he thinks no-one knows about. I think he's nervous and fancy wee Joe to take him, maybe in a late round stoppage, but I think Calzaghe should be comfortably ahead in the late rounds and be able to catch Hopkins when he gets desperate,
SHould be a good one.
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That link isn't working for me Gerry, this one is though:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/freelivefootball
The commentators have them level going in to the 10th round.
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going to be close
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good man joe, now i can go to sleep
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116 to 111............. Don't think so :o
No harm to Joe and i'm glad to see him win that but i was far from impressed,
Based on that performance either Roy Jones or Pavlik'll hardly be troubled imo
sure jaysus Hopkins is what, 43?
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COME ON JOE!!!!!!!!
Dont know how he managed that thought Hopkins had it!
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http://www.justin.tv/the_scotish_princess (http://www.justin.tv/the_scotish_princess)
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116 to 111............. Don't think so :o
Exactly what I was thinking, that could've been scored either way for me. I'd rather see Calzaghe fight Pavlik (if Pavlik is prepared to step up in weight) next than Roy Jones Jr, that would be a great match-up.
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I thought the right man won, it would have been an injustice if Hopkins had got the verdict based on the odd right hand and a lot of holding and headwork.
Hopkins deliberately stalled the action when he was on his last legs in the 10th as well.
Calzaghe is obviously not in his prime anymore, but he still does enough to win fights.
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calzaghe got the right decision i think, he was the agressor and all hopkins was interested in was holding and using the head. the first round knockout made this fight closer than what it should have been. you have to wonder how one judge could have hopkins winning by a point and one have calzaghe winnig by 5, thats a massive difference. i expect hopkins to take up the acting now after the 'low blow' in the tenth.
like a few people said here i'd rarther see cal-pavlik fight than a match with roy jones jr, but as you know money talks!
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No harm to Joe and i'm glad to see him win that but i was far from impressed,
Based on that performance either Roy Jones or Pavlik'll hardly be troubled imo
sure jaysus Hopkins is what, 43?
Its difficult to look good against Hopkins though, Taylor never even got lavish praise for beating him twice a few years back when he was top pound-for-pound as the wins didn't seem convincing but that's just the nature of his style.
Jones Jr is a shot fighter who wouldn't trouble Calzaghe, Pavlik on the other hand.... well Pavlik would certainly have to step up in weight for it so that might prove difficult for him, I'm not sure he would actually want to take the fight as he's only 25 and has plenty of years for more "career-defining" fights and will probably be happy defending his position as undisputed middleweight against all contenders in the next couple of years.
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Forgive the lack of boxing knowledge but thought this worth a mention. Was in the boozer Friday night and the boxing was on the telly. English Heavyweight title fight was on featuring a really well built, muscular black guy against a flabby milky skinned guy called McDermott. We were all paying it very litte attention but laughing at the beating the fatso was about to get. It started predictably - fitter looking guy picking McDermott off and moving well. Then all of a sudden McDermott found his range and absolutely clattered him a few times. And then proceeded to batter the head off yer man until the ref stopped it! Unreal. We'd have all lost a few quid if bets were taken.
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I was watching that fight as well Seanie, McDermott looked as if was afraid of his life at the start, not in a cowardly way, but in terms of what he thought the other lads had. I think the other lad was Pele something, and he was an ex-kick boxer. The commentators were saying he had a dodgy chin though, and as soon as McDermott realised he had nothing to worry about, and that he could hurt him with every punch he went to town.
Did ye see the knockout in the fight before that? Ryan something, a 33 year old, beat the reigning British champion. He hit him an awful box on the temple and your mans legs went completely from under him. Quite scary actually.
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Yeah, say that alright now that you mention it. A bit frightening surely. There was another fight with a guy getting split by a headbutt too - blood everywhere! And if I'm correct the guy who headbutted won?
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Yeah, that was the latest British 'sensation', Ajose Olusegun (I had to look it up, don't worry :D), who beat Spitko. I don't think it was a 'headbutt' as such, but it was an awful clash. The cut was way up on the top of Spitko's head/high forehead. It was an awful bleeder though, and it looked really bad.
Naseem Hamed has eaten some food since he finished up. He was ringside at that fight I was talking about, and he looked like someone had inflated his head. Physically, rather than the erstwhile mentally :D
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Watching the fight at the time, I was pretty sure that Hopkins had won. Hopkins did try every dirty trick in the book. Delighted for Calzaghe, Roy Jones on November 15th in Cardiff seems to be very likely.
If it had've been in Hopkin's prime it would have been a massacre.
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Yeah, Naseem certainly has partaken in a fair few pies since he was in the ring.
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I think the other lad was Pele something, and he was an ex-kick boxer.
Was it pele reid? formerly the great er black hope of british heavyweight boxing?
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That was him. Pele Reid. Mad lad for jumping around, tipping his toes, and a chin like a porcelain jug.
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Thats the bugger. good boxer but no chin.
I thought hopkins won the fight for what its worth but i can see how you can reason an argument either way. a matter of what style is to your liking
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Pele Reid was horrible. big punch, no technique and those ridiculous shorts
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Great site lads for watching all the big HBO fights (after thye have happened of course). Most of them are on too late on a Saturday night for us Sunday footballers ;) Instant streaming:
http://www.watchtvsitcoms.com/boxing.php
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anyone going to watch kelly pavlik and gary lockette tonight?? i don't know an awful lot about lockette, but i'd imagine pavlik would be to strong for him. i see pavlik trainer was slagging off enzo and joe, clearly tryin to get a potential fight with pavlik and calzaghe started up.
martin rogan will fight hardly harrison on july 12 in o2 arena, hopefully big marty knocks him out first round!!!
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Disappointing to hear Mayweather has retired but i think he's retired before?
An absolute legend of a boxer who's up there with the best of all time
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Pavlik Calzaghe could be a possibility as Pavlik is struggling a bit to make middleweight now apparently so he could step up to super-middle and fight Joe. He's got a huge following in America too, he's becoming the new biggest draw out there so that should pave the way for a Calzaghe fight as the only reason Joe would want to fight Roy Jones Jr instead would have been for the $, but if Pavlik can put bums on seats and sell the PPV shows then there's no reason to avoid him, well apart from a greater likelihood of Calzaghe not getting to retire with an unblemished record of course.
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Pretty Boy Floyd has retired before, I really hope we haven't seen the last of him but here's his statement below. He was meant to fight De la Hoya again in the autumn and I was hoping we'd get to see him square off with Cotto before he went. Unusual for a boxer to retire with so much still left in the tank.
On June 6, 2008, he offically announced his retirement, saying the following in a statement:
"It is with a heavy heart that I write you this message today. I have decided to permanently retire from boxing. This decision was not an easy one for me to make as boxing is all I have done since I was a child. However, these past few years have been extremely difficult for me to find the desire and joy to continue in the sport. I have said numerous times and after several of my fights over the past two years that I might not fight again. At the same time, I loved competing and winning and also wanted to continue my career for the fans, knowing they were there for me and enjoyed watching me fight. However, after many sleepless nights and intense soul-searching I realized I could no longer base my decision on anything but my own personal happiness, which I no longer could find. So I have finally made up my mind, spoken to my family, particularly my mother, and made my decision. I am sorry I have to leave the sport at this time, knowing I still have my God-given abilities to succeed and future multi-million dollar paydays ahead, including the one right around the corner. But there comes a time when money doesn't matter. I just can't do it anymore. I have found a peace with my decision that I have not felt in a long time. Finally, I want to personally thank all of my fans for their loyalty and dedication as my career comes to a close. I always believed that their enthusiasm and support helped carry me to victory with every fight I ever had. It was a great joy to have fought for all of you. Now I hope you understand my decision and wish me well with the rest of my life."
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Have been away for a bit but will hopefully be back more often. Haven't seen any of the fights below from last night but a coupld of upsets. Daniel Ponce de Leon who is recognised as one of the hardest punchers in the sport (although zero technique altogether) was chinned in the first by Juan Manuel Lopez. The writers on Secondsout were talking about this as a real war.
Paul Williams also got revenge for losing last time out kncking out Carlos Quintana in the first - pre fight people saw it as a pick em.
Lockett was destroyed in three by Pavlik. NO surprise.
Also James Moore was beaten the other night - another talked about Irish boxer on the up.
Duddy is back a gainst a no hoper at end iof June in Boston, not sure how long he can be fed stiffs as heaint a novice any more. He needs to start stepping things up pretty quickly.
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Pretty Boy Floyd has retired before, I really hope we haven't seen the last of him but here's his statement below. He was meant to fight De la Hoya again in the autumn and I was hoping we'd get to see him square off with Cotto before he went. Unusual for a boxer to retire with so much still left in the tank.
On June 6, 2008, he offically announced his retirement, saying the following in a statement:
"It is with a heavy heart that I write you this message today. I have decided to permanently retire from boxing. This decision was not an easy one for me to make as boxing is all I have done since I was a child. However, these past few years have been extremely difficult for me to find the desire and joy to continue in the sport. I have said numerous times and after several of my fights over the past two years that I might not fight again. At the same time, I loved competing and winning and also wanted to continue my career for the fans, knowing they were there for me and enjoyed watching me fight. However, after many sleepless nights and intense soul-searching I realized I could no longer base my decision on anything but my own personal happiness, which I no longer could find. So I have finally made up my mind, spoken to my family, particularly my mother, and made my decision. I am sorry I have to leave the sport at this time, knowing I still have my God-given abilities to succeed and future multi-million dollar paydays ahead, including the one right around the corner. But there comes a time when money doesn't matter. I just can't do it anymore. I have found a peace with my decision that I have not felt in a long time. Finally, I want to personally thank all of my fans for their loyalty and dedication as my career comes to a close. I always believed that their enthusiasm and support helped carry me to victory with every fight I ever had. It was a great joy to have fought for all of you. Now I hope you understand my decision and wish me well with the rest of my life."
:'( Crap, loved watching mayweather, build ups to fights where always magnificant and really made you want to tune in. Would loved to have seen him fight Cotto rather than a rematch with Hatton or DLH as if he had beaten Cotto, no one could question him as an undisputed champion and he could have retired knowing he had beat everyone worth beating in the weight divisions he competed in.
Dont know if he would have beat Cotto though......
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Just noticed this hat on hatton.
jaysus Hughie Morgan is everywhere
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from the BBC
Defeated McCullough quits boxing
Wayne McCullough has announced his retirement
Former world bantamweight champion Wayne McCullough quit on his stool and then announced his retirement after losing a fight in the Cayman Islands.
McCullough was returning to the ring after three years against American Juan Ruiz in a NABF featherweight contest.
Despite being ahead on two of three judges' scorecards after six rounds, he told his corner he could not go on.
The Belfast boxer, 38 next month, took the microphone and revealed this would be his swansong.
He said: "I think this is my last fight and I want to thank you all for coming. I am disappointed with the way things went but I just felt I could not go on."
McCullough had not fought since losing a WBC super bantamweight title fight against Oscar Larios in Las Vegas in 2005.
606: DEBATE
Should McCullough have retired earlier?
His first professional bout was in 1993, seven months after winning an Olympic silver medal in Barcelona.
In July 1995 McCullough, who based himself in Las Vegas, claimed his world championship by beating WBC bantamweight champion Yasuei Yakushiji.
He defended the belt on two occasions against Johnny Bredahl and Jose Luis Bueno.
McCullough relinquished the title because of weight difficulties and then lost on points to the veteran Daniel Zaragoza in a WBC super bantamweight bout in 1997.
The Belfast man went the distance against Naseem Hamed and Erik Morales but was outpointed on both occasions.
McCullough was then sidelined after a British Boxing Board of Control scan found a small cyct in the arachnoid space between the brain and the skull.
After a two-year battle, however, he was back in the ring again and earned earned a bout with WBO featherweight champion Scott Harrison but suffered a punishing defeat.
McCullough later lost two world title bouts against Oscar Larios.
a bit sad that it ended like that
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in all fairness to wayne, he should have quit long ago.
how do you think khan will go tonight?? its about time he stepped up his quality of opponent
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Anyone see the Khan - Gomez fight last night? Very exciting stuff, at that pace it was never gonna last 12 rounds!!! Got to admire the speed and power of Khan but i would question his ability to take a punch. Gomez on the other hand - i cant believe he survived until the 5th round, man he took some heavy hits!!!
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Fair play to Gomez for lasting as long as he did. Great shot to the ribs of Khan. Man that would have hurt
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Great fight with Khan and Gomez, really enjoyed it. Khans hand speed is amazing sometimes but his defence is suspect. Its easy to see why frank warren is holding him back. Still good to watch though.
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Gomez is certainly game, he always came back aggressively every time Khan landed a flurry of punches on him. I felt he could have went on when it was stopped, but I suppose it was inevitable at that stage that it was going to be stopped in the next round or 2 anyway.
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the pocket rocket for me should have retired a long time ago
although he was a world champion he was never spectacular and his two strengths were his stamina and the fact that he could take a good beating
i think his wife ruined his career
and now he seems to be involved as a commentator and ambassador for mixed martial arts?
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Another win for Duddy last night, some clips of the fight up in youtube.com. Still unbeaten as a pro but hopefully starts to step things up and fight guys with the big audiences in attendance:
Boxing before his Boston fans for the first time in 2 years, Ireland’s John Duddy dominated from start to finish last night, winning all 10 rounds on the scorecards of the three ringside judges in subduing Ohio veteran Charlie Howe in the main event of Irish Ropes’ five-bout card at the Park Plaza Castle.
The Park Square fortress turned into an Irish hooley for an evening as a capacity crowd of 1,200 turned out in the hope that Duddy’s performance would be spectacular enough to merit his hoped-for meeting vs. another Ohio middleweight, world champion Kelly Pavlik.
The critics’ verdict was that while it might not rate as spectacular, Duddy’s work against Howe was in many respects his most impressive to date. Fighting for the first time under new trainer Patrick Burns, he not only consistently worked off his jab, but a man whose bravado has often gotten him into trouble by making him easy to hit, proved an elusive target.
“I decided to stop being so hard-headed and do a bit of boxing,” said Duddy with a smile after posting his 25th win in as many pro fights.
The loss left Howe, who got high marks for his resiliency and the granite chin he put on display at the Castle, with a career mark of 17-5-2. While Duddy’s fans would obviously have preferred to see a knockout, there is no disgrace in going the distance with Howe, who was around for the final bell against 22 other opponents.
Burns seemed pleased by his new pupil’s first outing, but cautioned “I don’t want to take anything away from his previous trainers (Harry Keitt and Don Turner). I’ve won one fight with him. They won 24.
“When I looked at films of his earlier fights, it seemed as if whenever he got hit he had a tendency to get his Irish up and fight like he was coming out of a bar. What we worked a lot on was keeping him patient and fighting under control, using his jab the way he did tonight.”
Although there were no knockdowns, Duddy badly staggered Howe in the second when he followed a left to the body with a hard left hook. Howe was knocked spread-eagled into the ring ropes, without which he might well have landed in the seats, but referee Mike Marvelle did not rule it a knockdown.
On several other occasions, notably in the fifth, seventh and eighth rounds, Duddy appeared to have Howe hurt late in the stanza, only to have the bell end the round before he could finish the job.
Howe bled for most of the night after being ripped under the left eyelid in the first round, and a clash of heads late in the ninth drew blood from Duddy as well. The gash, no more than an inch and a half long, was stitched afterward, and is unlikely to be a detriment to a September fight.
Duddy went into his Hub appearance ranked the No. 2 middleweight by both the World Boxing Council and World Boxing Association, and while it appears that he will indeed be fighting again in September and quite possibly for a world title, it may not be Pavlik’s.
The month he spent training Duddy at the Phantom Gym in Miami convinced Burns that Duddy’s optimal weight may be at 154 pounds, not 160. The Irishman weighed 158 last night, and, says Burns, “I think he can make junior middleweight with ease. When I asked him about it, he said ‘No problem.’ ”
Irish Ropes has already been in negotiation with Art Pelullo, the promoter of Internatinal Boxing Federation junior middle champ Verno Phillips, for a September fight that could take place in either the United States (New York or Las Vegas) or Ireland, with both Dublin and Belfast potential venues
Source: http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/other_sports/boxing/view/2008_06_29_Duddy_shows_Howe_to_win/srvc=sports&position=recent
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/7484125.stm
He really should hang up the gloves.
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Admin - could this thread not be amalgamated with the Joey Barton thread?
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Anybody see the Danny Williams vs John McDermott fight tonight on sky sports?? What where them 3 judges smoking whilst watching that fight??? How the f**k did they give the decision to Williams?? Total joke, unbeleivable Williams actually stayed on his feet in the 5th round, he got a severe hammering in that particular round!!!
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Anybody see the Danny Williams vs John McDermott fight tonight on sky sports?? What where them 3 judges smoking whilst watching that fight??? How the f**k did they give the decision to Williams?? Total joke, unbeleivable Williams actually stayed on his feet in the 5th round, he got a severe hammering in that particular round!!!
that decision was a joke, williams himself knew he should have lost. all the sky commentaters and pundits had mcDermott by at least three rounds. jim watt had mcDermott by 5 rounds, one of the judges had williams by 3, thats an 8 rpoint swing, how can two people have such differences on the same fight.
round 5 was brilliant, fair play to williams for stayin up, he ook an awful hammering, manys a man would have been gone. McDernott was robbed big time
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I think the judges got it right. Yes McDermott had a great 5th round but that at best only gave him a 2 point lead if the judges went for 10-8, the fight was judged over 12 individual rounds. After round 5 I thought McDermott was tired and offered very little, I would have given most of the rounds to Williams who at least tried to be aggressive while McDermott sat back.
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mccloskey knows he is in a fight tonight!i actually think he is losing!the verdict should be interesting
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97 - 93, my hole. I thought he got a tanking.
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Andy Lee looking very impressive tonight, great 5th round there for him. Very good technical boxer Lee, think he will win this handy, either by stoppage or definately on points if it goes the distance.
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Lee is knocking his shite in.
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Lee is knocking his shite in.
Willie will be happy to get back to the US ASAP, he is taking some heavy shots!!!
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In fairness, yer man can take heavy hits without much bother.
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Fuckin great last round hi, two men beatin lumps out of other, brilliant stuff, very impressed with Lee tonight, the boy can box. Hope he gets a world title shot at some stage.
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Fair play to Lee well on top.
What is the story with his tattoo?
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That was a great round. 'Twas like a street fight. The two of them were just looking to bate the **** out of each other. I don't think they should have thrown the towel in. Thon boy isn't as good a boxer but is a pure machine.
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Thon boy isn't as good a boxer but is a pure machine.
Its a good job he had them washboard abs to absorb the punches ;)
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Fair play to Lee well on top.
What is the story with his tattoo?
From an interview with Lee...
"The tattoo is a long story, I have had it a few years now, it’s something I always wanted to for myself and my own personal beliefs and it was kind of an end result of a transition I was going through. It is a little hard to explain really, but it was just something I wanted to get for myself and it will be there for life and it is there to remind me to be grateful for what I have, really. "
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Lee's tattoo looks like he had a run-in with the Borg from Star Trek.
Amazing to see so many children there.
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Amazing to see so many children there.
Boxing is on the way back in, it was not as popular there for a few years but has definately gained interest again i think ever since the Hatton vs Mayweather fight in November. The build up was so big for that particular fight that everyone in the world basically knew about it. Great to see the boxing gaining its popularity back, a lot of people where beginning to take in the hype that was UFC and these cage wars, in my opinion these combats sports have not got shit on a good boxing match...still the best combat sport there is. The world welterweight division at the moment is top class and hopefully Haye moving up to Heavyweight can restore some hype in that division.
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Absolute corker between Margarito and Cotto.
A surprise result I thought.
Margarito was relentless, he got hit with some cracking punches but he just walked through them, he's like a machine.
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Absolute corker between Margarito and Cotto.
A surprise result I thought.
Margarito was relentless, he got hit with some cracking punches but he just walked through them, he's like a machine.
raging i missed this fight. had alarm set for to get up and watch it. don't know wat happened, slept in. just caught the last couple of minutes of coverage, it seemed that cotto quit very easily. i could be wrong here but thats wat it looked like.
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Absolute corker between Margarito and Cotto.
A surprise result I thought.
Margarito was relentless, he got hit with some cracking punches but he just walked through them, he's like a machine.
raging i missed this fight. had alarm set for to get up and watch it. don't know wat happened, slept in. just caught the last couple of minutes of coverage, it seemed that cotto quit very easily. i could be wrong here but thats wat it looked like.
He didn't quit easily, you'll see that if you watch a replay. Margarito was relentless. Cotto outboxed him for the first half of the fight and was avoiding getting hit, he appeared like he was going to win comfortably on points. Cotto was hitting Margarito with some cracking shots but he just walked through them and eventually ground him down. In the 7th Margarito hurt Cotto and even though he got a bit of a second wind in the next round or two Margarito just kept coming and it appeared like he broke Cotto's nose as he was struggling to breathe, I read a comment on another forum saying that his jaw was broken, I'm not too sure if that's true, but his face looked bad, like what he had done to most of his opposition in the past.
Cotto could have had a sledgehammer in the ring and he wouldn't have ko'd Margarito, the guy must have one of the hardest chins in the history of boxing.
All in all a wonderful fight, and although I have gotten into MMA over the past few years and really like it, a great boxing contest is much better to watch.
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like i said all i saw was cotto going to his knees twice, fight is on now again at 12 but will miss it due to football. this will prob put an end for people calling for cotto/mayweather fight.
was watching setanta, steve bunce is not wise in the head!!
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like i said all i saw was cotto going to his knees twice, fight is on now again at 12 but will miss it due to football. this will prob put an end for people calling for cotto/mayweather fight.
was watching setanta, steve bunce is not wise in the head!!
Steve Bunce is very entertaining and usually close to the mark. The majority of pundits are boring, he always makes you laugh at some point.
There is a Steve Bunce Boxing Hour on each Thursday on Setanta.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/nZPnY9DzNLM&hl=en&fs=1 (http://www.youtube.com/v/nZPnY9DzNLM&hl=en&fs=1)
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Anyone hear that Khan is considering stepping up to fight Hatton at some stage next year?
Would Khan be too fast for him or would Ricky be far too strong for him?
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would be a big mistake for khan but i think this is pure speculation - even khan isnt that stupid
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Anyone hear that Khan is considering stepping up to fight Hatton at some stage next year?
Would Khan be too fast for him or would Ricky be far too strong for him?
Khan said he plans to move up to light-welter in a year or so and said he would like to fight Hatton. Don't think his glass chin would hold up well to Hatton, but you never know as Ricky's lifestyle is bound to catch up with him at his age now, 30/31 is old enough for fighters of that weight. One thing's for certain, they could smash a few stadium records with the tickets they could sell, I'd guess they'd be able to sell out Wembley as the media hype would be massive.
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Darren Sutherland has lost his Olympic Middleweight semi-final to Great Britain's James DeGale by a score of 10-3. The Dubliner was simply outclassed on the day despite a brave effort, finishing the Games with a bronze medal.
Sutherland and DeGale both started the tie with extreme caution, feeling each other out and waiting to work out each other's tactics.
Both fighters held close guards in round one and only managed to offload one score each leaving it at 1-1.
Round two was a similar story with Sutherland playing a waiting game looking for gaps in DeGale's armour.
A sweetly placed right cross punch put DeGale into a 2-1 lead. The second round was extremely cagey; the familiarity the two fighters share after five fights had bred ultra caution.
Just prior to the end of the second round, Sutherland lost another point to yet another DeGale right hand leaving the score at 3-1.
The third round was where the fight was won for DeGale. Sutherland was yet again too cautious and was throwing punches off the back foot too far from Degale to cause any damage.
DeGale then saw his opportunity to strike. With a flurry of combination punches DeGale soared into a 4-1 lead. Then with Sutherland struggling to land a punch at all, DeGale's left hook crept through Sutherland's sometimes disappointing guard to leave the score at 8-1.
Sutherland pulled a point back at the end of the round, leaving the score 8-2.
In the fourth round the tie was all but over barring a knock-out. Sutherland finally came out of his reverie and began to attack DeGale, alas it was too little too late.
DeGale - sensing the tie was won - danced away the last 2 minutes. However, the impressive Briton still had the opportunity to land two more snappy left jabs to leave the final score at 10-3.
Sutherland's tactics were exposed in the semi-final; after what was a wonderful Games for the Dorset Street fighter. However, the Dub announced this was only the beginning after the fight, stating that he now intends to go professional.
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So Navan is now in Dublin.
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So Navan is now in Dublin.
I always thought it was ! ;)
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Irish light-flyweight Paddy Barnes will have to be content with a bronze medal in Beijing after losing against China's Zou Shiming in Friday's semi-finals.
The Chinese gold medal favourite claimed a comprehensive 15-0 win over the Belfast fighter.
Barnes chased Zou all over the ring in the first round but still found himself 2-0 down despite landing a great shot.
Zou picked Barnes off during the rest of the bout although the Irishman later dubbed the final margin a "disgrace".
In the immediate aftermath of his defeat, a furious Barnes claimed that he didn't "care about the bronze medal".
"They can keep it for all I care," added Barnes, who blasted the judging in the bout.
We're in China so what do you expect
Paddy Barnes
"They (the judges) should hang their heads in shame.
"There's no doubt I lost the fight by miles but not scoring a point?
"I'm getting drug tested here. The judges should be getting drug tested.
"But we're in China so what do you expect."
The 21-year-old Irishman came out fighting in the first round and he certainly looked as though he had landed one good shot on the Chinese fighter.
Zou picked up six more points in the second round although the brawling Barnes, once again, appeared to be unfortunate not to have got on the scoresheet.
It was more of the same in the third round at Zou racked up five more points and kept the increasingly ragged Barnes scoreless to increase the lead to 11-0.
The pattern continued in the closing round as the defending world champion progressed to the decider.
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why is it a non-title fight??
can only see one winner here, pacquaio will be just too good for DLH, would really be the potential to be one of the greatest fights ever if DLH was in his prime. still should be a good fight though.
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Does anyone know a website where I can watch the Amir Khan fight on line tonight????????
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why is it a non-title fight??
can only see one winner here, pacquaio will be just too good for DLH, would really be the potential to be one of the greatest fights ever if DLH was in his prime. still should be a good fight though.
It's non-title because Pac has usually fought at super-featherweight before and only moved up to lightweight for his last fight and is now jumping another 2 divisions! :o DLH is coming down a division for it I think so it will be difficult for both of them in terms of adjusting to their body weight.
Gonna have a look soon for the Khan fight online, if I find anything I'll post it up.
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Khan fight here at 9
http://www.justin.tv/arsenalfc_wwe_live (http://www.justin.tv/arsenalfc_wwe_live)
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Not a bother DD enjoy ;)
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Harrison fight on here
http://www.chavster.ulmb.com/ (http://www.chavster.ulmb.com/)
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This might be better
http://www.justin.tv/midas_tv2 (http://www.justin.tv/midas_tv2)
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theres not many sports that you can not get to view live on some of the justin channels
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theres not many sports that you can not get to view live on some of the justin channels
Unbelievable so it is, great stuff!! Why pay box office when you can streamed on the internet!!!!
Audley Harrison is one buffoon...absolutely useless
some of the connection can be poor, you need a good broadband connection.
though playing poker, watching boxing and posting on here is a bit much
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paste this into address box for best picture but no commentary
mms://208.75.230.31/kotv
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its all over
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khan knocked down twice in the first round he not be as cocky now
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Typical English irish media building up the lads, putting extra pressure on him them. They always make out their sports stars are better than they actually are!! ie England soccer dublin gaa players will win every tournament they play in ::)
How the hell do you come back from a defeat like that???
could nearly post this on the other tread
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hard to tell, he needs to ditch all the hanger on's on really focus on his boxing. listening to radio 5 live a few of them saying there where plenty of british fighters that he could have fought but did not as khan thought prescott would be easier
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Point is that pro boxing is a different game from the 'nice' world of amateur boxing. There is only so many you can fool until you are found out.
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Khan can't. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcv23DPHQ7g
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Talk about a glass jaw (or, as it seems to be called now, at least by Jim Watt, poor "punch resistance" ::))! The punch that nailed him was on the button, yet didn't seem to be that powerful, but he never recovered from it and his knees were still wobbling half a minute later.
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Why did he go running into a man who had knocked out 17 of his 19 opponents before the Khan fight??? To eagar to impress the fans with a quick & flashy start, he will think twice before running out the corner at the bell again. A little more brains needed Amir!!! Frank Warren looked like he was going just tear shreds out of thge trainer after the fight. Id like to be a fly of the wall in that meeting room after the fight!!!
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Typical british media hype building someone up way above their own current ability...Khan has fought absolutely no-one up until know and has been seen as the great white hope (excuse the racial differentiation). Personally after listening to all the rubbish at every major sporting event, it makes me want to see british sports personnel fail at everything they do, ie. football,boxing, cricket, etc. Not because of the actual sports people but because of the media and the whole idea that if your british you are automatically that bit better than everyone else in the sporting arena...Stick to fighting no-hopers Amir, its about all your fit for at this stage when you can't take a few slaps from a nobody... ;) ;)
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I am glad I didn't pay £14.95 for that.
You can't build mucles on your chin, and it showed last night that the first time Khan faced a puncher he got destroyed. Limond, not a hard puncher, alomost stopped him.
It may well do him good this beating, he was believing his own publicity
Out of the publice eye for a while with a good deal of hard work and much more intelligent boxing in future is what is needed if he has got that in him. He has the skills but if he can't defend himself properly, he's going nowhere.
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Warren made a point in the interview of saying that they had someone else lined up to fight who then pulled out but Khan's new trainer then suggested this Prescott guy- obviously distancing himself from this choice of opponent and showing his anger that a big puncher had been chosen at this stage. He then said big decisions would have to be made and he'd be sitting down with Khan's team this week, I'd expect he'll be looking to get rid of the Cuban trainer.
Given that they were talking up Khan to fight for a world title in 2008 back at the start of the year, they should accept that they were going to have to throw him in at some stage against someone who can punch, and bear in mind this fella was way down the rankings although he had shown good potential. At least he's only 21 and has plenty of time on his side but there is serious doubts as to whether he can ever fight at world level with a chin like that.
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Amir Khan last night proved that Muslims don't drink, when he failed to get a round in.
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What do Amir Khan and TB have in common?
One jab and it's all over.
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Had not seen Kahn fight till Saturday but had got sucked into the media hype :D FFS seen better efforts outside the Glenavon on a Sunday night!
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Carmen Stateside I seen you in action outside the Glenavon back in the day ;) You would have timbered the head of Khan ye boy ye
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:D Cheers Roddy
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happy to see khan get a reality check - i honestly think he believed his own hype - just wish Prescott hadn't knocked him out so early and really punished him over a number of rounds
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Bernard dunne is coming back to castlebar again went the last time and really enjoyed the night would be nice to see Henry Coyle box for the 1st time as a professional on home soil
Tuesday, 07 October 2008
Dunne and Coyle set for Breaffy bouts
Austin Garvin
BERNARD Dunne is heading back to the Breaffy House Resort on Saturday, November 15 for the next Hunky Dorys Fight Night, which is being promoted by Brian Peters Promotions in association with Hennessy Sports. At a glittering press conference held at Breaffy International Sports Hotel on Thursday afternoon, Brian Peters outlined details of the forthcoming promotion.
Obviously delighted with the success of his April promotion at the same venue, Peters has decided to return with a star-studded show, which has the added attraction of Geesala’s Henry ‘The Western Warrior’ Coyle appearing on the card.
The popular Geesala man has been based in Chicago since turning professional 18 months ago, and has yet to fight on home soil. His presence on the bill should ensure a huge following from the Erris area. His farewell bout in Geesala as an amateur drew over a thousand patrons to the tournament.
Also set to appear on the Hunky Dorys Fight Night are welterweight prospects John O’Donnell and Stephen Haughian.
Henry Coyle, who together with his father Gerry, received a great welcome at last week’s press event, says he will be fulfilling a lifetime’s ambition when he steps between the ropes at the Breaffy House Resort
“It’s always been a dream of mine to fight as a pro in Ireland,” explained Coyle who has won eight of his nine pro fights by knockout. “To get a chance right here in Mayo is the icing on the cake. The last time I fought at home was for my very last amateur fight, so it will be great to come back as a professional now.”
Coyle will be having his first scheduled ten-rounder on the card, which is headlined by Bernard Dunne.
“It’s going to be some night,” predicted former Irish senior champion Coyle, “and I’ll be looking to put on a big show. I’ve worked a lot on sitting down on my punches and I’m definitely punching a lot harder now. I think when you make the move into the pros your life really is dedicated to boxing, so it’s only natural you’ll start to improve in every area.”
It hasn’t all been plain sailing for Coyle, who suffered the lone defeat of his career in his third fight when he was stopped by Omar Bell. Coming to terms with the defeat was far more difficult that he could have imagined.
“It was the hardest thing I’ve ever had to deal with”, admitted Coyle. “It was the first time I’ve ever been down in my life. I got back up and I felt I was okay to continue, but the referee didn’t give me that chance. If I’d been allowed to continue that night, I’m certain I would have had my hand raised at the end of the night, but the referee made the call and I accept that,”
For Dunne the November 15 fight will mark a return to the venue where he got his career back on track following his shock defeat to Kiko Martinez. He was warmly welcomed to the Breaffy venue for the first ever night of professional boxing in Mayo as he out-pointed former world champion, Felix Machado in an impressive return to winning ways. Since then the Neilstown man has notched up another win against Argentina’s Damian Marchiano in July to bring his record to 25 wins against just one defeat.
Manager Brian Peters believes Dunne could be just one fight away from a world title fight.
“We’re working on a shortlist of opponents at the moment,” he confirmed. “We want someone who is really going to test Bernard so that he will prove he’s ready to step up to world title level.
“There’s no doubt the defeat to Martinez set us back about 12 months, but Bernard has had two good wins since then. He’s now world ranked by the WBA, the WBC and the WBO, so we’re pretty much back on track in terms of positioning Bernard for a world title fight.”
Peters told the press conference that current world champions at both featherweight and super bantamweight have already made enquiries as to Dunne’s availability.
“We actually turned down a world title opportunity for Bernard earlier this year because we felt it had come too soon, but if we can win impressively in Breaffy next month he’ll be ready for anyone,” said the promoter.
The card will also feature the return of Tyrone welterweight, Damien Taggart. The Omagh man will be hoping to take inspiration from his mentor, Tyrone’s All-Ireland-winning football manager Mickey Harte who was in attendance at the press conference, as he bids to get back on track following his first defeat of his career.
Another man hoping to do great things is Sheffield teenager Steve ‘The Blue Steel Bullet’ Barnes. The talented 17-yea- old is a protégé of legendary Dublin-born trainer Brendan Ingle, who believes he could prove to be one of his greatest ever finds.
Amongst those in attendance at the press conference was Castlebar man Seán Horkan, who is Ireland’s most successful ever team manager, having seen Michael Carruth and Wayne McCullogh win gold and silver medals respectively.
Tickets for the Hunky Dorys Fight, priced from €60, went on sale on Friday, from Ticketmaster outlets, including Downtown Records, Castlebar and Hotshot Records, Ballina.
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I see Vitali Klitschko won back his WBC title after a 3 years break. That's the WBC, IBF and WBO titles in the family. They've vowed never to fight each other but I assume there'd be a fortune on the table if they were willing to. David Haye the next challenger for Vitali?
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dont think he wants to fight haye. haye has some punch but he has a tricky enough fight coming up that he needs to win before he can think of klitschko. the cruiserweights couldnt deal with haye but some of these guys are over 16 stone and also can hit hard...will be interesting to see if haye has a chin or is he another glass-jaw like khan :):) bout time some1 taught him a lesson
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Haye's been pestering Vitali's brother who'd be no1 at the minute for a fight, probably around 3 fights down the line though. There's another up-and-coming boy who looks the part in the heavyweight division, I think he's Russian called Povetkin or something like that so hopefully Haye will get a crack at him.
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bernard hopkins hammered kelly pavlik last night on points, i had him winning every round. thought pavlik would have won this, and it just shows that hopkins has still got it! that will be the end to pavlik/calzaghe fight.
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Was that at middle or supper middle? Does Pavlik still have a title?
Wonder is there any chance of Pavlik having another look at Duddy? Did the possible Duddy Forrest Light-middle title fight ever get arranged?
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I thought I read somewhere that Duddy dropped down a weight ???
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should have said, it was at light heavy. after the fight hopkins went over to pavliks corner and more or less told him to stay at super middleweight where he would never be beaten. light heavy is a step to far for pavlik.
i think duddys next fight is at a weight between middle and light middle and then he is going to fight light middleweight from then on. i could be wrong though.
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should have said, it was at light heavy. after the fight hopkins went over to pavliks corner and more or less told him to stay at super middleweight where he would never be beaten. light heavy is a step to far for pavlik.
i think duddys next fight is at a weight between middle and light middle and then he is going to fight light middleweight from then on. i could be wrong though.
It's middleweight that B-Hop told Pavlik to go back to, that's where he holds 3 of the belts, he was stepping up 10lbs for this fight, as middleweight is 160 and this fight was at a catchweight of 170, 2lbs above super-middleweight. B-Hop also told him not to let this fight destroy him, it could well do mentally. B-Hop was superb and took Pavlik to school, masterful performance which you couldn't help but appreciate and I never really liked the guy before, thought he was too negative. His timing and his distance were superb, Pavlik couldn't figure him out.
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Fair play to B-Hop at 43 to beat such a young top-rated fighter, I like most others thought Pavlik would beat him comfortably enough. A good result for Calzaghe too, who can now beat RJJ and happily retire without getting criticised for avoiding Pavlik.
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100% right rav great result for calzaghe, if he beats jones jr where do you think that will put him in the 'all time greats' bracket?? retired unbeaten is some acheivement.
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Just landed 4 tickets to the Calzaghe v Jones fight (Yesssssssssss) anyone ever been to Madison Square Garden ? What's it like ? atmosphere , views etc
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whats the story with Setanta for Roy Jones Jr fight, can you just order Setanta for the fight
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AFAIK, it is a £15 connection fee for Setanta & you have to take it for a minimum of 2 months @ £10 a month
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but is the fight not extra on top of that contract? i dont have setanta but thats the way i understood it to be
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i fancy Calzaghe to win this fight. far better boxer than most people think. Jones was knocked out in his last fight, nearing 40 now
i'd say a fitter Calzaghe will put him away before the tenth round
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Was curious about Setanta too, how to get the fight etc and if I had to pay subscription.
Can't wait and dunno what way it will go - if this fight had been at the turn of the lmillenium RJJ would have wiped the floor with him.
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if you suscribe to setanta ,you get the fight, no extra payment needed.
anyone know who is on the undercard of the fight?? looking forward to this one.
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I see Jason McKay has a British title fight next month. Tough test though.
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Did anyone catch the Danny Williams fight on ITV4 tonight? He was defeated by Albert Sosnowski who was only a late substitute for the fight. He knocked Williams out in the 8th round. Big shock. Williams refused to do interviews afterwards. This could be the end of the road for him.
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Anyone know what time the Calzaghe-Jones fight is at in the morning so I know what time to set the alarm for??
I say it will be around 3 0r 4 in the morning with you! Just offered a ticket there a half hour ago, had to turn it down already plans made :(
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According to bbc website, the calzaghe fight is at 4.15 am our time,
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Anyone know what time the Calzaghe-Jones fight is at in the morning so I know what time to set the alarm for??
I say it will be around 3 0r 4 in the morning with you! Just offered a ticket there a half hour ago, had to turn it down already plans made :(
Take it you live in New York Carmen? Much buzz about the fight over there?
I hear it hasn't sold out. Calzaghe wouldn't be the draw Hatton is. B-Hop calls it for Jones Jr.
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Calzaghe wins by judges decision 118-109. fair play to him! shakey start but came good...thank god hes welsh and not english!
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I think that will be it for Joe now, if Pavlik had beaten B-Hop there would have been a massive clamour to make that fight happen but he was well-beaten and Pavlik just isn't the same attractive draw any more. It would take another big-nam draw to tempt Calzaghe into the ring again after the hype of his last 3 fights but there just isn't one there. After the fight the interviewer was asking Joe about fighting Chad Dawson, has anyone watched him fight? I know he beat Tarver quite recently but I've never seen him box.
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well he is now, some performance from calzaghe, 118-109 on all 3 scorecards.
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HBO were blocking every website showing the fight for free last night - was a bit frustrating but I suppose I should have bought it if I really wanted to see it that bad.
I managed to watch it on a chinese TV station and got an english commentary feed from another site.
Calzaghe was rocked early and came back to dominate most of the fight. His work rate was second to none - he is a cardio machine and wore Jones down in the end. The cut above Jone's eye made a huge difference to the fight and the last 3/4 rounds Jones was visibly defeated.
A great performance from the Welsh man, a great achievement in his career and now is the time to retire Joe - go out on top.
But he can't and I predict he wont. There is still something missing with Calazaghe. He has won all of his pro fights - but he has never really looked that good doing it.
The public aren't satisfied and neither will Joe be. But that satisfaction will never come - Joe does not have and never will get at this stage in his career that X-Factor that Eubank, Benn, Hamed and Hatton possessed.
Retire now big lad -the memories of your performance will fade - but your record will stand the test of time and you will go down as one of the greatest of our generation
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But he can't and I predict he wont. There is still something missing with Calazaghe. He has won all of his pro fights - but he has never really looked that good doing it.
He looked awesome against Lacy I thought, that's the best performance I've seen him give and Lacy was quite a big favourite then from what I recall. Joe demolished him that night.
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49 fights undefeated thats no mean feat iceman. full respect and he's beat all comers.
noticed he was wearing rossary beads once he came out of the ring and during his interview
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I am not denying he demolished his opponents and I am taking nothing away from his record.
I am talking about the Joe Calzaghe "Brand"
He will never be as popular as lesser fighters because he doesn't have that X Factor. Because of that lack of popularity and brand appeal you always feel he has something more to do. That's why I don't think he will retire. He wants that popularity, that recognition.
David Beckham
Prince Naseem
Chris Eubank
Coby Bryant
X-Factor
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Its moreso to with Calzaghe having beaten the big fighters who are way past their best. Roy Jones and Hopkins are long past their prime, and he struggled to beat Eubank in 1997 when Eubank was long finished after the defeats to Collins. Be it his or RJJ fault, but a fight back then would have been more interesting. Its not entirely Calzaghes fault but he didn't fight a Collins, Eubank or Benn who was at the peak of their powers never mind B Hop or RJJ. He should retire now as there is nobody there for him.
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Just watch it there on Setanta missed ait at the weekend , Joe won it well in the end.
Did anyone see yere man John O'Shea of GOAL in a big red shirt by ringside. Nice handy seats there, in the main TV shot for the whole fight.
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Where do youse think Calzaghe's legacy will stand in relation to the last 2 men he's beaten? They all have their own arguments- RJJ was fighter of the decade for the 90's and managed to go from middleweight to win the heavyweight title just purely to show it could be done, Calzaghe will more than likely retire undefeated, B-Hop has at 43 has added Pavlik to his record and was no.1 pound-for-pound for years and has beaten some top fighters like Winky and Tarver. Even his defeats to Taylor and Calzaghe were controversial and he bounced straight back from them very impressively when anyone else would just have retired.
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Don't think Calzaghe will be held in as high regard as B-Hop or RJJ when people look Back through history. He will get little credit for beating them now especially RJJ who is very washed up. These two guys have fought better quality of fighters in their careers as well which wasn't Joes fault as the opponents just weren't there for him. For the record I think that Calzaghe has definitely been in the top five fighters in the world over the last ten years but in my opinion RJJ would have knocked him out in his prime. I have been a massive Calzaghe fan all his carer but was very disappointed in his goading and showboating towards Jones who was clearly washed up and not have the fighter. My very high opinion of Joe has dropped considerably after that. Hope RJJ retires now b4 he gets seriously hurt. Think Joe should quit to because as was the case throughtout his carer there is no left to fight eg Dawson over rated and Tarver to old.
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I see Hagler saying that Joe 'has' to fight Tarver - as previously said he is washed up aswell so there is no point other than money and if he does fight him I gurantee there will be another name thrown into the ring that he 'has' to fight and beat and eventually he will be caught. As Yogi said, RJJ would have not only beat Joe in his prime but knocked him out. It was a shame to see Jones waiting for the bell on Saturday night as he had nothing left. Of all the fighters I have watched he was the one who had this 'x-factor' that everyone here likes to mention. I recall watching with dread the time he hit Montel Griffin when he was going down and subsequently lost his perfect record. I had never seen a fighter with as qucik a hands and as strong a defence as Jones had at his peak, and it saddens me how he has finished but alot of great fighters don't know when to get out. He should have retired after he beat Ruiz, and I only hope he does now before he goes on and loses to some 'Kevin McBride'.
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I watched an absorbing documentary last night on More4 (I think) called “Thrilla in Manila”. It was billed as being about “the greatest fight of all time” (I agree with the description) but in fact covered the whole history of Ali and Joe.
It was sad to see what Joe has become. The world mourns the state of Ali these days, but I hadn’t realised that Joe’s circumstances were so bad. He lives in a dingy room above his gym in Philadelphia and doesn’t seem to have any comforts in life – certainly no sign of the millions he made from boxing. He looks old, slow and shuffling and his speech is slurred and difficult to comprehend.
The programme was hard on Ali and, though a life-long admirer of his sporting genius, I have to admit I couldn’t argue with its analysis that his involvement with the militant anti-white black muslim movement was overtly racist. He had some deeply unpleasant aspects to his character.
What I hadn’t fully appreciated was the depth of hatred between the two men, mostly caused by Ali’s disrespect for Joe, calling him an Uncle Tom and characterising him as a tool of white interests. This disrespect started as soon as Ali got his license back and the first fight between the two was announced. What I had never known before was that Frazier had campaigned for Ali’s license to be restored and had been very supportive through his exile from boxing, even lending him money, which makes Ali’s subsequent disrespect an act of betrayal.
Today, Ali regrets his behaviour and has apologised for it, saying he only saw himself as promoting the fights. Joe is still deeply bitter about it, though, to the extent that he points to Ali’s disability as punishment for his behaviour and even has a greeting on his mobile phone that more or less says ‘see the state of him now? I did that’.
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Saw it also, thought it was brilliant. Their last fight was something else....Joe Frazier took quite a beating. Wonder if Ali would really have not come out for the last round if Futch hadn't called it.
Ali did come across as mean, but Frazier came across as very bitter - you even got that impression from his sons/brother when they were interviewed.
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I Sky+ed that documentary last night and look forward to looking at it.
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Totally forgot about it. And seeing as I am not as rich as my Sligo compatriot and can't afford the Sky plus, is it repeated?
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Might have missed it on here but I see Duddy has had his fight cancelled. He is quickly edging to the unknown. He needs a big fight next.
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The whole bill fell through - his opponent was 38 anyway. He hasn't fought since June.
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Duddy was going down a weight for the fight and hoped to fight the Hitmans son if he won.
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read it in one of todays papers that duddy has left his manager and promoter
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His career is stalling. Fughting journeymen constantly.
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Seen that last night myself Hardy, very good and enjoyed it. Never seen 2 hours go in like that before. Lost a bit of respect for ali after watching that...
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Seen that last night myself Hardy, very good and enjoyed it. Never seen 2 hours go in like that before. Lost a bit of respect for ali after watching that...
Have to agree with you there as well , like if a white boxer was doing the things that ali did there would be outrage . Like hardy said felt so sorry to see what happened joe frazier he got 3 million for that fight in manilla but i suppose like all boxers there were a lot of hangers on who probably cleaned him out. Also felt sorry for the way ali treated him when Frazier was so supportive of him when he was banned from boxing for three years. I'm reading a book on ali at the moment but last nights programme has definatley made me look at him at different way now
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Is that show on again? I only got to see a tiny bit of it.
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I don't think anyone should be surprised by Ali in the programme. It is well known Ali held some very militant racist views in his younger days. While I don't agree with his views then I can understand them as the black people suffered great discrimination in them days and Ali was deeply affected by this, remember he threw away his Olympic medal because he couldn't get served in a cafe. Also in the build up to fights fighters use any means possible to wind up opponents and Ali was a master at this. As he got older his views became more liberal which happens a lot of people. No matter about his conduct outside the ring he was an undoubted legend in the ring.
Bernard Dunne's opponent is Cristian 'El Terible' Faccio from Uruguay, who has a record of 16-3-0. He is a come forward fighter with reasonable power with a suspect chin(doubt Dunne will expose this however) but he should suit Dunne who should win on points if he has any chance of a world title.
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read it in one of todays papers that duddy has left his manager and promoter
Hearns' son is supposed to be decent enough - looking at his record he is undefeated with some solid wins and KO power
I don't see Duddy ever being a world champion and he is been protected BIG TIME to milk the Irish-American market
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Duddy was being lined up for Pavlik last spring but he got cut too badly, I still think because he can sell a fight that he'll get one crack at a world title but will get beaten easily.
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Strange finish to the Bernard Dunne fight tonight. The doctor stopped the fight due to an accidental clash of heads with both fighters being cut, Dunne extremely badly. Went to the scorecards at the end of the 7th round and Dunne won on pts.
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Thought Dunne was excellent last night and he is a really good boxer. Just a pity he hasn't got a killer punch.
The Ali/Frazier documentary was excellent and showed Ali's "bad" side alright. Didn't lose the huge respect I have for him and what he has done with his life but it shows that no one is perfect. Incidentally in my opinion Ali's demolition of Frazier in their second fight was a greater "boxing" performance than his victory in Manila notwithstanding the historical significance of that third fight.
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Monte Barretts ring entrance last night is my sporting highlight of the year!
Have to confess, really enjoy watching Haye, the fight can end at any moment from the first bell. Looking forward to seeing him agoinst one of the Klitschkos. It may be a crap division right now but that fight should be worth watching!
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i agree, at the moment he will probably win the category because there is not real opposition, however if he had been fighting a few years back he may not have progressed as well!
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Would have to believe that Hatton will certainly win.He's never been beaten when fighting at light-welter, and i think he will beat Malignaggi on points tonight.
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Quiet on here re tonights big fight, would have expected more chat considering its Ricky Haton fighting ;D Not as muhc hype about this one as was with last years fight against the pretty boy.
Anyway, anyone any thoughts on which way this fight will swing tonight? Also, where can you watch online for free? ;D
What he said.
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Quiet on here re tonights big fight, would have expected more chat considering its Ricky Haton fighting ;D Not as muhc hype about this one as was with last years fight against the pretty boy.
Anyway, anyone any thoughts on which way this fight will swing tonight? Also, where can you watch online for free? ;D
What he said.
What he said.
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Hattons brother fighting tonight too!
Keep an eye here for the fight lads:
http://www.justin.tv/directory/sports/boxing?kind=live&order=hot&lang=en (http://www.justin.tv/directory/sports/boxing?kind=live&order=hot&lang=en)
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Quiet on here re tonights big fight, would have expected more chat considering its Ricky Haton fighting ;D Not as muhc hype about this one as was with last years fight against the pretty boy.
Anyway, anyone any thoughts on which way this fight will swing tonight? Also, where can you watch online for free? ;D
What he said.
What he said.
http://watchliveboxing.blogspot.com/
its workin for me at the minute anyway
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hattons brother on now
i take it the main event starts at 4am?
hope he gets the head hammered off him if i have to stay up that late
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http://watchliveboxing.blogspot.com/
its workin for me at the minute anyway
Good link, cheers
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Why is Malignaggi wearing a skirt? :o
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because he is a girl!
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f**k, Hatton just dominating, no real contest this one
Yeah kinda boring really, why I hadn't bothered staying up :(
Hopefully Malignaggi just goes for it in the last round or two, if he has anything left.
EDIT: aw well f**k that then :D
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WTF??? Towel thrown in?
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Correct decision, Mallignagi is rubbish, not in Hattons league. Thanks god for the internet, at least we didnt pay for that :D
Only listenin on wireless, he may not be in hattons league but will hatton fight Cotto?
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horseshit
hopefully de la hoya will shut the unsufferable f*cker up
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Correct decision, Mallignagi is rubbish, not in Hattons league. Thanks god for the internet, at least we didnt pay for that :D
Only listenin on wireless, he may not be in hattons league but will hatton fight Cotto?
Hatton will probably fight the winner of De Le Hoya vs Pacman. Personally i would rather see him fight Cotto as you suggest
Manny should deal with oscar (legend in my eyes). But oscar & hatton is massive money, and as we know money talks!!!
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f**k me did Malignaggi's corner have money on what round he would falll? Of course he was outclassed bu surely the beauty of boxxing is that he could have priduced a KO in the last coupke of rounds.. Hard to arge there wasn't some kind of fix going on it was a complete joke!
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Premature stoppage but its not like Malignaggi would have stopped him- he's only ever stopped 5 guys in his twenty-something victories and has a very weak punch. I thought the fight would have been much closer having watched Malignaggi put up a very game display against Cotto after being cut badly early on.
Hatton will fight DLH whether DLH wins or not. DLH might actually win his upcoming fight considering the big step-up in weight that Pacqiao is making, although Pac-man is clearly the better boxer of the 2 at the minute. As you say, money talks, especially for DLH, who unlike some American-based boxers will gladly come to Wembley to fight Hatton, sell out 90,000 seats and pull in a huge box office revenue both sides of the Atlantic.
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f**k me did Malignaggi's corner have money on what round he would falll? Of course he was outclassed bu surely the beauty of boxxing is that he could have priduced a KO in the last coupke of rounds
Malinaggi doesn't have the power to knock out an 8 year old and his corner knew this I suspect. Only way he was winning was on points and he was way behind at that point.
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f**k me did Malignaggi's corner have money on what round he would falll? Of course he was outclassed bu surely the beauty of boxxing is that he could have priduced a KO in the last coupke of rounds.. Hard to arge there wasn't some kind of fix going on it was a complete joke!
Drunken GAAboard posting is never a good idea... I thought my spelling was first class when I was posting it though! :D :D
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McCullough wants world title bout
Belfast boxer Wayne McCullough is refusing to give up hope of landing another crack at a world title.
McCullough has lost his last seven world title fights but told BBC Sport that he has heard encouraging noises from the World Boxing Council (WBC).
"The WBC said that the bantamweight champion from Japan (Hozumi Hasegawa), if he agrees to fight me, that they would let me," said McCullough.
"I know the opportunity is there because I was a world champion."
In his last bout in June, the 38-year-old Belfast fighter quit on his stool while ahead against Juan Ruiz in the Cayman Islands.
Reports stated that the former WBC bantamweight champion had announced his retirement immediately after the defeat but this was then denied by the Northern Irishman.
"I was injured going into the fight," McCullough insisted in the BBC Newsline interview.
"I keep myself in shape. I train every day. I'm 38-year-old but Bernard Hopkins is 43-year-old.
"If you keep yourself in shape, you can fight on a regular basis.
"I know I can become a world champion again. I've lost in my last seven world championship fights but I thought I was robbed a few times."
Someone call in the men in white coats.
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Congrats to Katie Taylor on retaining her World Title. She's just fantastic and got boxer of the tournament as well.
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Anyone know if the Martin Rogan v frAudley Harrison fight is on TV on Sat night?
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Anyone know if the Martin Rogan v frAudley Harrison fight is on TV on Sat night?
I'm nearly sure full-back it is part of Judgement Night Box Office on Sky
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Has Rogan got any sort of chance?
Harrison is a short favouite, was wondering could there be an upset?
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it will come down to heart.....which harrison lacked severly and Rogan has plenty of!!
come on the prizefighter!!
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Anyone Know Odds on this one?
Would fancy Rogan to beat him as Harrison hates in your face fighters who keep coming forward and he has the heart of a Sparrow. Rogan will hassle him and fight on the front foot and Rogan has quite a punch whereas Harrison has as bad a chin as Amir Khan or Lennox Lewis.
I think I would put a few Squid on Rogan.
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With Ladbrokes
Audley Harrison 1 - 6
Draw 25 - 1
Martin Rogan 7 - 2
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Would love to see big Roggie knock Fraudley clean out but I work with Roggies best mate and he says he doesn't think he has much of a chance. Said he is in great shape but would need to get him early but he said Fraudley has far better pedigree as he has won olympic gold whereas Roggie would be nowhere near an olympic team but I know the professional fights are different.
Great performance by Katie Taylor absolutely class and great footballer as well would def be in top 5 Irish sports stars ever in my opinion.
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With Ladbrokes
Audley Harrison 1 - 6
Draw 25 - 1
Martin Rogan 7 - 2
Will have to seriously consider a wee flutter on Rogan.
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Congratulations to Paul 'Dudey' McCloskey of Dungiven who has just beaten Colin Lynes in London for the British Light Welterweight title after taking the fight on a weeks notice (he was due to fight on the undercard but stepped in as a replacement)
After the first 2 rounds he thoroughly outclassed Lynes who retired at the end of the ninth.
A British Champion with an Ulster Senior Football Club medal ;D
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Congratulations to Paul 'Dudey' McCloskey of Dungiven who has just beaten Colin Lynes in London for the British Light Welterweight title after taking the fight on a weeks notice (he was due to fight on the undercard but stepped in as a replacement)
After the first 2 rounds he thoroughly outclassed Lynes who retired at the end of the ninth.
A British Champion with an Ulster Senior Football Club medal ;D
just watched that fight. he's not a bad fighter - good to see it.did he play much football?
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mccloskey had one shaky moment in the 2nd round but came through it and totally outclassed the fancied lynes. you could hear lynes telling his corner after the ninth that he couldn do anymore. well done paul. now for fagan and rogan to upset the oul english tonight.
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McCloskey's a handy fighter and probably should have been at the stage of winning a British title 2 years ago but he's had very few fights for various reasons. He's in probably the toughest division there is at the minute on a world stage but I suppose he'll try and crack on and go for a European title anyway.
Anyone ordering Judgement Day tonight? I've been trying to order it on the box office screen but its not working and when I rang up sky box office and went through the options it kept cutting me off. The main event should be a cracker, if Pacquiao can beat DLH it will be an amazing feat comparable to Roy Jones Jr winning the heavyweight title.
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tried ordering through the remote control aswell, couldnt do it. had to phone and order it, such a job i had to :-\ one the phone for a good ten mins sorting the whole thing out. anyway its booked and looking forward to the first couple of fights in england, would love to see the khan and harrison get knocked out!!
does anyone know who is on the undercard for the big one in vegas??
i'm going to go for pacquio in the main event. think he will wear de la hoya down and win on points.
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good price for the fight also. DLH could loose out on this one, i'm going for pacquio and rogie
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Congratulations to Paul 'Dudey' McCloskey of Dungiven who has just beaten Colin Lynes in London for the British Light Welterweight title after taking the fight on a weeks notice (he was due to fight on the undercard but stepped in as a replacement)
After the first 2 rounds he thoroughly outclassed Lynes who retired at the end of the ninth.
A British Champion with an Ulster Senior Football Club medal ;D
just watched that fight. he's not a bad fighter - good to see it.did he play much football?
If I remember correctly a Dungiven poster on the Derry thread said he was 17 and played corner back for them when they won the Derry c'ship in '97 - then was just on the panel thereafter as he started to concentrate on the boxing. Think hes only turned professional in the last 3/4 years.
Some weekend of boxing. McCloskey last night and from 10.45 on Carl Froch fights for the Super-middleweight title on ITV1, then Rogie v. Fraudley, Enzo Maccarenelli moves up for a heavyweight clash, Khan v. an irish fella Fagan and of course DLH v. Pacman on Sky.
Will be watching boxing all night
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I've done a double on Pascal to stop Froch and Rogan to do the same to Harrison - combined odds of 76/1 with Ladbrokes, worth a flutter at those odds
Froch is widely tipped to beat Pascal but I'm not so sure about him, his hands are too low and Pascal is a dangerous fighter
As for Rogan if he puts plenty of pressure on Harrison he may well cave in.
I reckon Pacman could beat DLH with his speed being the decisive factor
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I've done a double on Pascal to stop Froch and Rogan to do the same to Harrison - combined odds of 76/1 with Ladbrokes, worth a flutter at those odds
Froch is widely tipped to beat Pascal but I'm not so sure about him, his hands are too low and Pascal is a dangerous fighter
As for Rogan if he puts plenty of pressure on Harrison he may well cave in.
I reckon Pacman could beat DLH with his speed being the decisive factor
Those are very good odds! Might have a flutter myself...
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Men
any streaming links for the rogan / fagan fights?
cheers
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Men
any streaming links for the rogan / fagan fights?
cheers
Indeed, any of you tech heads on tonight that can sort us out? Gutted i paid for it the last time after seeing the quality of the link that was posted on here
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Try this
http://www.justin.tv/jcstyles (http://www.justin.tv/jcstyles)
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That will do me
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That will do me
Great isnt it :D
Go get a beer out of the fridge and enjoy the great night of Boxing ;)
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1st class...had the beer sitting out at the back step for the last hour...ice cold!
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1st class...had the beer sitting out at the back step for the last hour...ice cold!
:D :D :D :D
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What time fagan on at. Do them sites show the premiership games aswell?
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got this one for the sky box office fights
http://www.justin.tv/dd_2/popout
PQ
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Rogie beat Ordinary Harrison.
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Your joking Khan is dirt!! :D
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Sorry Harrison ! :D hic!!
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exciting stuff in this Froch fight so far
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exciting stuff in this Froch fight so far
1st 4 rounds Rocky style...somebody is gonna go down..
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What a f**king fight
The wee cyclone has Froch 2 rounds up
Some effort by both fighters
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Great fight!
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They might fall over with exhaustion before this is over! I would say Rogie has killed off Harrison's career tonight.
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Audley isnt a good boxer, loves the attention but not the hard work
Froch by unanimous decision
Thought it would have been tighter :-\
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unreal fight there, you'll not see a better fight for a while. a rematch would be worth another watch.
fraudley embarrassin may call it a day, clean useless. well done to rogan though, still unbeaten.
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Audley isnt a good boxer, loves the attention but not the hard work
Froch by unanimous decision
Thought it would have been tighter :-\
Thought there were at least 5 or 6 in it myself. THink he won by 8, 6 and 4. When Mcguigan had 2 in it with 3 to go I was suprised I must admit - thought Froch was further ahead. Thoroughly enjoyable fight though.
What was Rogan Fraudley like? Decision or KO?
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Audley isnt a good boxer, loves the attention but not the hard work
Froch by unanimous decision
Thought it would have been tighter :-\
Thought there were at least 5 or 6 in it myself. THink he won by 8, 6 and 4. When Mcguigan had 2 in it with 3 to go I was suprised I must admit - thought Froch was further ahead. Thoroughly enjoyable fight though.
What was Rogan Fraudley like? Decision or KO?
Decision
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Ref called it 96-95 to Rogie.
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What time's De La Hoya scheduled for?
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Hbo closing down all he channels on Justin tv ! >:(
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They didnt get them all ;D
http://www.justin.tv/josecinho010 (http://www.justin.tv/josecinho010)
Manny on points so far half way through!
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Oscar took bad beating in 7
could end early!
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and another in the 8th
Corner stops it after 8 th
manny wins very easily! won me a few bob! :)
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Father time finally caught up with DLH tonight. He looked old and slow. Time to retire and be a promoter.
Sad end really. He would have wiped the floor with Pacman in his prime IMO.
Hatton must be gutted. He was hoping for DLH next year.
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I don't think DLH would have wiped the floor with Pacquiao in his prime. Pac-man proved what a champion he is tonight with that performance. He fought a huge fight at super-featherweight at the start of 2008 and then to move up 3 divisions before the end of the year and still retain that speed is an unbelievable achievement.
For Hatton, Pacquiao will still be a huge draw and the fight could possibly be at light-welterwight which Hatton prefers, although I think he'll have to go to America again to fight him. I would expect Pacquiao to take Hatton easily enough.
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I'd agree..going off that performance tonight i don't think Hatton could live with him
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Rogan: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kk4f4Kyp114
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Pascal fight was first class. I must admit I thought it would be closer, two lads going for it - entertaining.
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Is that the same Rogan who won Sky Sports Prizefigher last year?? Fair play to him but Audley is just a woeful boxer!! That Froch v Pascal fight however was one of the best i've seen in a long time, great stuff from start to finish!
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Is that the same Rogan who won Sky Sports Prizefigher last year?? Fair play to him but Audley is just a woeful boxer!! That Froch v Pascal fight however was one of the best i've seen in a long time, great stuff from start to finish!
Yeah it was the prize fighter.
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big martin got me a few quid last night, owe him a orange juice and a salad for that, the entertainer will be off to the training camp in Clonard after last nights win
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Rogan was some price last night 4/1, pity lost him had him in treble with Froch and DLH...
Ah well.
Harrisson is a joke fighter, always has been!
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Where's Rogan likely to go from here? British title fight a possibility?
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martin will fight anybody, does not care who he fights, fair play. hope he gets a fight in belfast. that will be a ticket i'll be looking for
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Where's Rogan likely to go from here? British title fight a possibility?
Far too early for that I would say TAC. The fact that Harrison is such a joke will deminish the victory slightly.
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Where's Rogan likely to go from here? British title fight a possibility?
Far too early for that I would say TAC. The fact that Harrison is such a joke will deminish the victory slightly.
well the bookies thought Harrison was a cert, 1-6 i think he was before the start
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Where's Rogan likely to go from here? British title fight a possibility?
Far too early for that I would say TAC. The fact that Harrison is such a joke will deminish the victory slightly.
well the bookies thought Harrison was a cert, 1-6 i think he was before the start
I'm a bookie and I backed Rogan! ;)
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Fair play to Rogan but the fight was murder to watch, could only stick it for about 2 rounds and then watched bits during the breaks in Froch's fight. Hopefully he could get fighting Matt Skelton, Danny Williams or someone else with a recognisable name in King's Hall. I think he could beat Williams.
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regardless of the fight being crap the craic was mighty, some west belfast crys from the supporters could be heard "knack his ballixcs in" "Harrison your a wa*ker"
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What time fagan on at. Do them sites show the premiership games aswell?
http://livefooty.doctor-serv.com/
Great site for Saturday afternoon Premiership football.
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Congratulations to Rogie on his win last night. He was very determined on prize fighter. He is looking a fight with Matt skelton for the euro belt. Pity Rogie is 37 and not 27.
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Really enjoyed the boxing last night. Rogan fully deserved the win but Harrison is a disgrace. For a guy with the talent he has to be so shit is incredible. No guts and no brains.
De La Hoya never looked right and took a bit of a beating. Agree with assertions here that Hatton won't live with Pacman's speed, few would.
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Good man, Rogie. A rake of years back, he was playing minor hurling for Rossa against St.Paul's. A St.Paul's man came up behind him and buried the hurl into the back of Martin's head. Martin slumped to the ground and was motionless. The match was abandoned. Loads of people thought he was dead. He caught up with the St.Paul's player, about a year later and, erm, asked how his father was.
He was also 'jumped', in Belfast, by 3 hoors from the other side. One bit the tip of his finger off. One of the other siders took him to court. I think he was told to f**k off.
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I've done a double on Pascal to stop Froch and Rogan to do the same to Harrison - combined odds of 76/1 with Ladbrokes, worth a flutter at those odds
Froch is widely tipped to beat Pascal but I'm not so sure about him, his hands are too low and Pascal is a dangerous fighter
As for Rogan if he puts plenty of pressure on Harrison he may well cave in.
I reckon Pacman could beat DLH with his speed being the decisive factor
Stuck a 10er on that double myself glens and though it didnt work out thought the performances of pascal and rogie made a mockery of those odds. When Froch stood toe to toe with pascal he def looked vulnerable and a stoppage for either fighter was on the cards until Froch started working from behind his jab and reach advantage in the later rounds. Thought Froch pulled away for that reason and also because Pascal ran out of steam and threw wild punches. Pascal also had an annoying habit of ducking down into low hooks and uppercuts
Don't think Frochs cut out for the very highest level and he would be stopped easily by the likes of Calzaghe/Kessler.
Missed Rogie v. Harrison but by the sounds of things it wasn't much of a fight - but I hear Rogan wasn't far away from the knockout at one time either
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With Ladbrokes
Audley Harrison 1 - 6
Draw 25 - 1
Martin Rogan 7 - 2
Will have to seriously consider a wee flutter on Rogan.
Stuck 20 squid on Rogie - nice little earner coming up to shopping season ;D ;D ;D.
Glad to see Rogie and Dudey do the business at the weekend I used to work with rogie and used to play Hurling and Football with Dudey and both are really nice fellas. Really fancy Dudey to push on and make big waves at European and World level tbh. Rogie is well capable of taking a shot at a European belt also.
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Jason McKay next up, feast or a famine for us Irish fans. 13/2, Barker looks good, but at that price im throwinbg 20 on.
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i'd save your money corn!.....mckay aint up to it
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Former undisputed world heavyweight champion Lennox Lewis will have his legacy confirmed in the sport after being named as an inductee to the 2009 International Boxing Hall of Fame.
Three-time heavyweight champion of the world Lewis headlines the class of 2009 that will be inducted at the 20th Annual Hall of Fame Weekend on June 11-14 in Canastota, New York.
43-year-old Lewis has been handed the honour in the first year of his eligibility and seals his position as one of the sport's greats.
Lewis retired in 2003 with a record of 41-2-1, with 32 knockouts and some landmark victories over the likes of Evander Holyfield and Mike Tyson.
Defeats
His only two professional defeats, surprising losses against Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman, were both avenged, and Lewis was thrilled to hear the news.
"Everybody, when they start something, always wants to leave some kind of legacy behind," said Lewis.
"I've been able to accomplish that. To be put in the Hall of Fame is an accomplishment that seals my legacy.
"It will always be there in history. People can read about it. It gives me great pride."
An Olympic gold medallist for Canada, Lewis announced himself with a stunning knockout of Donovan "Razor" Ruddock in 1992.
Lewis then had two memorable bouts with Holyfield, one a controversial draw and the second a unanimous decision to unify the heavyweight division.
Top six
"He definitely belongs in the top six heavyweights of all-time and would have been a threat to any heavyweight champion in history because of his size, his balance and his all-around skill," said Hall of Fame trainer Emanuel Steward.
"Lennox Lewis could do whatever he had to do to win a fight. He was a very diversified heavyweight champion."
Joining Lewis are American bantamweight champion Orlando Canizales and South African junior lightweight champion Brian Mitchell.
Posthumous honourees are middleweight champion William "Gorilla" Jones, welterweight champion "Mysterious" Billy Smith and middleweight champion Billy Soose in the Old-Timer Category.
"We're extremely excited about the class of 2009 and very much looking forward to honouring the 20th class of inductees," executive director Edward Brophy said.
"All living inductees are anticipated to attend and participate in 2009 Hall of Fame Weekend festivities."
Very good fighter
A great honour for any boxer to get
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Nowhere near the top 6 of all time though.
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Jason McKay next up, feast or a famine for us Irish fans. 13/2, Barker looks good, but at that price im throwinbg 20 on.
is mckay fight still live on tv?
13/2 looks like a good prie to me. if hes well enough prepared he will definitely be in with a shout.
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have seen mckay fight a good few times, i can't see him winning on saturday night, i just don't think he is up to that standard. hopefully i'm wrong, nice fella and would love to see him win.
just collected my winnings for my rogan-pacquaio double. got £131 pound for me tenner. :)
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i see enzo maccarinelli might be making the move to UFC, he reckons he would do well in it.
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Jason McKay next up, feast or a famine for us Irish fans. 13/2, Barker looks good, but at that price im throwinbg 20 on.
is mckay fight still live on tv?
13/2 looks like a good prie to me. if hes well enough prepared he will definitely be in with a shout.
He has a lot of training behind him - nine full weeks.. Price is based on the Lee dfeat were he came in at two weeks notice.
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i see enzo maccarinelli might be making the move to UFC, he reckons he would do well in it.
usual hype
he would be destroyed by plenty of fighter 3 or 4 stone lighter than him - I'd give him a good fight myself if I got him onto the ground
mayweather tried it once and it was enough - the skill needed in all disciplines now is too much - marcus davis was a top ten boxer - it took him about 3-4 years to adjust and he still isn't a top contender in his division
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mayweather tried it once and it was enough [/quote]
did he?? tell me more when and who did he fight?
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Davis was a top ten boxer where? In his state or the world? I would say he was a decent boxer in Boston but that was about it.
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would any where in newry be offering odds on the McKay fight???
does he have a chance?
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would any where in newry be offering odds on the McKay fight???
does he have a chance?
Probably Banbridge bookies I would imagine. A lot of online bookies doing it. One of his biggest problems is his fitness levels, but he is in the best shape now. He will be going very offensive I would imagine, maybe worth a small punt.
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Davis was a top ten boxer where? In his state or the world? I would say he was a decent boxer in Boston but that was about it.
Davis had a boxing record of 17-1-2 and was considering a top ten fighter but not recognised by any of the organizations in the top ten - so my mistake for referencing that.
There is nothing official about FMW training in MMA but there has been talk that he tried at Xtreme Couture and could not hang with anyone there in his weight class.
At the end of the day MMA has evolved so much that a boxer, even one with the skill level of FMW, would never make it with the top contenders or even guys who dominate the smaller promotions.
I've seen it loads of times. A great boxer street fighting or in the ring will clean up - but then someone pulls a double leg takedown on him and elbows him in the face from the top or puts him to sleep with a choke it is a different story.
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Seen Brock Lesnar on that program on UFC/MMA last nite. That was some hammering he gave to the other guy.
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Seen Brock Lesnar on that program on UFC/MMA last nite. That was some hammering he gave to the other guy.
I remember when he left wrestlin to go for a career in American football, I take it he didn't go too far
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yeah he just fought with everyone there!!
think that was his inspiration!!
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Just watching the replay Oscar DLH vs Pacman fight on Sky Sports, why on earth did that fight go on so long?? what a hammering DLH took, you would have be safer being knocked out with one big punch as it would have hurt less than the volume of blows to the body and face as Oscar took!!
Roll on the Hitman vs Pacman..one to look forward to.
Anyone see season ticket last night focusing on the UFC or MMA. What is boxing fans thoughts of this sport? give me a boxing match any day over it. What does everyone else think?
That fight certainly could have been stopped sooner, I expected the towel to be thrown in around the 7th or 8th. DLH should quit now, he's gonna keep earning megabucks anyway from Golden Boy and there's no point risking his mental health especially when he's such a smart man.
Boxing is a far far superior sport. I don't watch the UFC at all, and wouldn't want to go to an event because there seems to be an awful lot of scumbags who follow it.
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Just watching the replay Oscar DLH vs Pacman fight on Sky Sports, why on earth did that fight go on so long?? what a hammering DLH took, you would have be safer being knocked out with one big punch as it would have hurt less than the volume of blows to the body and face as Oscar took!!
Roll on the Hitman vs Pacman..one to look forward to.
Anyone see season ticket last night focusing on the UFC or MMA. What is boxing fans thoughts of this sport? give me a boxing match any day over it. What does everyone else think?
That fight certainly could have been stopped sooner, I expected the towel to be thrown in around the 7th or 8th. DLH should quit now, he's gonna keep earning megabucks anyway from Golden Boy and there's no point risking his mental health especially when he's such a smart man.
Boxing is a far far superior sport. I don't watch the UFC at all, and wouldn't want to go to an event because there seems to be an awful lot of scumbags who follow it.
As far as I am aware there has never been a riot at a UFC event but there's been plenty of riots at boxing events. Plus looking at your average Bernard Dunne crowd I would hardly describe them as urbane sophisticates.
At the end of the day the make-up of both audiences is very similiar in the states. Except that boxing attracts more Latinos and older people while the UFC audience is generally younger.
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Boxing is a far far superior sport. I don't watch the UFC at all, and wouldn't want to go to an event because there seems to be an awful lot of scumbags who follow it.
That is a bit of a ridiculous statement - I don't watch the UFC at all but boxing is a far far superior sport?
Are there no scumbags at a boxing event?
Give us reasons Rav67 not just empty statements please............
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Anecdotal evidence from people I work with who have attended events- chav types in the front row shouting abuse constantly at the fighters calling them w**kers etc when they're entering and leaving. Maybe it's not the same in America.
IMO boxing is more skilful and maybe if I was more bloodthirsty I'd like UFC. I have watched it before, I just can't get into it but like all sports some people like or rate it and others don;t.
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Joe Brolly's article in this weeks Gaelic Life had a boxing/Dungiven theme (much intertwined I would say ;)) and was as usual very entertaining, if someone could post it for others it is good craic.
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IMO boxing is more skilful
I know it is your opinion Rav, but you must know very little about UFC to say this.......
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i agree full back with more disciplines there is no argument on skill levels between the two sports
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I used to be a huge boxing fan, subscribing to magazines, keeping an eye on most weight divisions etc. The politics started to annoy me, so many different champions, some of whom getting huge money and publicity and yet dodging any of the really top fighters. But it was the dodgy decisions that finally turned me off. Now I'll watch the odd fight and enjoy it, but I dont get into it, don't care who wins or who deserves to win.
I've watched a bit of UFC. More action than your average boxing match, and seems to be far less predictable. No doubt its very skillful, but also more violent. Relies on the individual to submit rather than the ref to intervene, which is a huge difference. A few times you will see a guy take more punishment than feels right.
But boxing still has the ace of the clean punch that results in a knockout or knockdown. Of course you can get that in UFC, but more often its likely to be a clench on the ground that is key.
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if anyone saw the klitchko fight against rahman, the big man was unbelieveable.
What a left jab.
He destroyed rahman. He doesnt have to throw the right paw at all, his left is like a sledgehamer.
Was actually a wonderful display to watch imo - of pure crude power and accurate hitting at its best !
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if anyone saw the klitchko fight against rahman, the big man was unbelieveable.
What a left jab.
He destroyed rahman. He doesnt have to throw the right paw at all, his left is like a sledgehamer.
Was actually a wonderful display to watch imo - of pure crude power and accurate hitting at its best !
Indeed Klitschko was impressive, but Audley Harrison would give Rahman trouble.
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Floyd must be getting p1ssed of with the lack of attention he is getting.......
Floyd Mayweather Jnr has gatecrahed negotiations between Manny Pacquiao and Ricky Hatton by offering the 'Hitman' a rematch.
Pacquiao's promoter Bob Arum had suggested a clash between the 'Pacman', currently regarded as the world's number one pound-for-pound fighter, and the light-welterweight champion Hatton could take place in the May.
But sources have since leaked the fact that Mayweather is looking to come out of retirement to take on the Mancunian once again.
Pacquiao cemented his place as the world's best fighter with a stunning knockout victory against Oscar De La Hoya earlier in December - and he remains Hatton's preferred option.
However the chance to set the record straight against Mayweather could be too tempting for Hatton to turn down.
Both Hatton and Pacquiao have spoken openly about their desire to meet in the ring, with the duo keen to see the fight happen.
"We are in negotiations with the Hatton people and I think we're moving closer," Arum said before the latest revelations about Mayweather. "I think it is the fight everybody wants to see.
"I can assure you it will not be at Wembley though.
"Not because Manny would be afraid to fight in England but because Wembley makes no economic sense, because we'll have to do it at 5am [to suit American television], outdoors, where there is a 90 per cent chance of rain."
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Not sure why anyone would want to see Hatton v Mayweather again. Wasn't like the first fight was even close. Mayweather gave him a boxing lesson.
Pacquiao might give him a lesson too but I'd prefer to see that fight. It would probably be a much better fight as both guys like to come forward. Mayweather would just pick Hatton apart from distance.
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Holyfield beaten tonight.
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Amir Khan vs Marco Antonio Barrera :o
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/more-sport/2009/01/15/amir-khan-lands-marco-antonio-barrera-fight-exclusive-115875-21042261/
this can not end well for Khan
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Stevie Haughian heading a card in Craigavon Leisure Centre the 7th February...
As for Khan against Barrera, what is he thinking, that is an astonishing step up in opponents!! Hes gonna get his head taken off. :-\
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I just heard about the Khan and MAB fight and was about to post the article I read on it. Quite shocked that Khan is taking this fight, its a bit like him playing Vauxhall Conference sides every week and then jumping to play Real Madrid.
The only thing working in Khans favour is that MAB is now 34 and is alot smaller than Khan who is a pretty big lightweight. Apparently Barreras goal is to become the first Mexican ever to win a title in 4 different weight divisions.
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This has to be a wind up - why would Frank Warren let this happen?
Obviously it is no longer about a career but a quick pay day - no legacy nwo that he has already been beaten so throw him in with the sharks and let him get devoured.
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there is only one way this fight is going to end and khan is on the wrong side of it. just looking a big pay day. can't wait to see this fight, and see amir get hammered...........again!
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Barerra looked past-it when he fought Pacquiao and that was over a year ago at super-featherweight. In saying that he did at least last the distance which is more than Khan would do against Pac-man. Khan needs a fight like this before the media loses interest in him.
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This has to be a wind up - why would Frank Warren let this happen?
Obviously it is no longer about a career but a quick pay day - no legacy nwo that he has already been beaten so throw him in with the sharks and let him get devoured.
They are obviously banking on Barrera being shot. He's definitely well past his best at this stage and Khan will be naturally a lot bigger than Barrera.
In fairness up and coming boxers take stick when they are given a load of bums to fight so in one way it is admirable that Khan is taking on someone like Barrera so early in his career. Whether it turns out to be wise is another thing altogether.
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you could be right and he should get some credit for taking the fight and throwing his hat in there with the big guys - M.A.B still should have enough gas in the tank for Khan and I would hope that Khan get's landed on his arse again and convincingly beaten. He needs a lesson in humility and will never win over the public - even by beating a legend.
It's a no win situation for Khan.
He beats Barrera and people will say he was over the hill and too small for Khan.
He gets beaten by Barrera and everybody will be happy to see him beaten again.
You would wonder what Frank Warren is thinking these days......
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Why is everyone saying this is a stupid fight for Khan to take? Barrera is shot and much, much smaller! Barrera has been fighting professionally since he was 14 and is too far down the road to pull a Pacquiao and beat someone considerably larger than him.
From Khan's point of view, regardless of the state of the opposition, it's the name that talks. If he wins, he'll always have a "W" beside the name of Barrera (a HOF shoo-in) on his record, and will catapult (deservedly or not) up the rankings.
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i well end up being totally wrong here but strongly fancy khan to beat barrera.like gallsman has pointed out barrera is much smaller than khan.unlike the situation with pacquiao and de la hoya where de la hoya was moving down a few weights and pacquiao up.this is case of khan fighting at a weight which he is comfortable with and barrera has fought at the lower weights in his long and bruising career.khan is kinda in a last chance saloon situation whereas barrera is near the end of the road.agree with iceman though,if beat khan will be finished and laughed at and if he wins he wont get much credit.
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I think he will get credit if he wins, Calzaghe still got a lot of headlines for beating RJJ who's been a shot fighter for years. Anyone know the odds? I think with it being in London I fancy Khan to beat him.
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i well end up being totally wrong here but strongly fancy khan to beat barrera.like gallsman has pointed out barrera is much smaller than khan.unlike the situation with pacquiao and de la hoya where de la hoya was moving down a few weights and pacquiao up.this is case of khan fighting at a weight which he is comfortable with and barrera has fought at the lower weights in his long and bruising career.khan is kinda in a last chance saloon situation whereas barrera is near the end of the road.agree with iceman though,if beat khan will be finished and laughed at and if he wins he wont get much credit.
Why is it a last chance saloon? OK he's been beaten but the same avenues are open to him as other fighters i.e. re-take the Commonwealth title and a world title fight wouldn't be too far away which, if he's good enough, and keeps winning will lead to bigger and better fights. In facts it probably easier for Khan to recover from the defeat because of his profile and the fact that he's a hell of a good fighter to watch. Look at how many chances Harrison got and he's an absolute no hoper whereas Khan certainly has ability.
Assume this one is Pay Per view on Sky Box office?
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Best prices for some upcoming high profile fights...
Khan 1/1 Barrera 6/5
Pacquiao 8/15 Hatton 2/1
Klitschko 1/3 Haye 5/2
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Best prices for some upcoming high profile fights...
Khan 1/1 Barrera 6/5
Pacquiao 8/15 Hatton 2/1
Klitschko 1/3 Haye 5/2
barrera/haye double would be very tempting there!
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Who are the Khan and Barerra prices with? can't fail to make money there
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Who are the Khan and Barerra prices with? can't fail to make money there
They are the 'best prices' as I said above so from separate bookmakers...
The evens for Khan is from Will Hill (who go 8/11 MAB)
The 6/5 MAB is from Boyles and Bet365, who go 4/6 and 8/13 for AK respectively.
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So if anyonw wants to play the long game at those prices and had £5000 going spare, they could do the follwing:
£2619 on Khan with Hills
£2380 on MAB with either Boyles ot Bet365
Doesn't matter who wins the fight as you would make £5238 if either selection wins, £238 profit...
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U couldnt lend me £5000 niall???Always bets like this goin about where u cant lose,just need a big bank balance to do it lol ;D ;D
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U couldnt lend me £5000 niall???Always bets like this goin about where u cant lose,just need a big bank balance to do it lol ;D ;D
If I had the money I would!! I just don't have the capital to do this sort of bet on a worthwhile scale, and I don't think the bank manager would be happy to hear I was looking a loan to gamble his money...
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Would also have to be wary of a draw... Anyone know what percentage of boxing fights would end in draws?
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Hatton and Pacquiao fight off apparently...
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3849386
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Hatton and Pacquiao fight off apparently...
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3849386
and now it's back on
http://philboxing.com/news/story-21927.html
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Some performance by Mosley last night against Margarito, I never thought he would win so convincingly.
Mosley was brilliant, kept landing right-hand bombs all night, the speed as well as the power was the key.
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Thought Maragarito would have won that fight after his masterclass against Cotto. A win like that surely puts Mosley in the frame for one more mega-bucks fight in his career against Mayweather, Pacquiao or Hatton.
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Thought Maragarito would have won that fight after his masterclass against Cotto. A win like that surely puts Mosley in the frame for one more mega-bucks fight in his career against Mayweather, Pacquiao or Hatton.
Rav – I wouldn’t say it was a masterclass against Cotto, Margarito was relentless and just ground him down, Cotto had seemed to be cruising in that fight early on.
I reckon Mosley watched the Margarito – Cotto fight on tape a number of times and he made sure Margarito never backed him up at any point the way he did to Cotto. I’d imagine that was a career best performance by Mosley and big bucks fights await now.
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Thought Maragarito would have won that fight after his masterclass against Cotto. A win like that surely puts Mosley in the frame for one more mega-bucks fight in his career against Mayweather, Pacquiao or Hatton.
Rav – I wouldn’t say it was a masterclass against Cotto, Margarito was relentless and just ground him down, Cotto had seemed to be cruising in that fight early on.
I reckon Mosley watched the Margarito – Cotto fight on tape a number of times and he made sure Margarito never backed him up at any point the way he did to Cotto. I’d imagine that was a career best performance by Mosley and big bucks fights await now.
I was very impressed by his win over Cotto, he showed great energy and power and and was controlling the fight by the time he stopped Cotto. I was shocked that he won that fight, and almost as shocked that he lost last night given Mosley's age.
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This has to be a new low
Abu Dhabi to host Tyson-Holyfield fight in October
Legendary boxers Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield will face off for the third time in an exhibition clash at Zayed Sports City Stadium in Abu Dhabi in October this year.
The Tyson-Holyfield fight will be the finale to an evening that will first feature two separate world title bouts.
The date for the event has been tentatively set on October 31, the night before the first ever Abu Dhabi Grand Prix. Full details of the event will be announced on February 1, the 'Arabian Business' reported.
Former world heavyweight champion Tyson last fought in November 2005, when he lost to Ireland's Kevin McBride, while 46-year-old Holyfield fought for the WBO heavyweight belt in October 2007 when he was beaten by Russian holder Sultan Ibragimov.
However, Holyfield holds an edge over Tyson as he won both the previous two encounters with the 42-year-old, including the infamous "bitten ear" incident during their second meeting in 1997.
Holyfield knocked out Tyson for the first time in 1996 and was paid a record USD 34 million for their second meeting. Hence each fighter is expected to earn more than USD 34 million for the Abu Dhabi clash, which is likely to be televised world-wide. A chunk of the earnings from the October event will be donated to an Autism charity.
"The idea is to stage the biggest ever fight in boxing history and to do it in Abu Dhabi, which would be a great global event for the UAE capital. We have agreement from everyone needed and will make the official announcement next week," Sulaiman Al Fahim, CEO of Hydra Properties, which is organising the event, said.
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:o :'(
How could they afford to pay them $34m each? I certainly wont be watching and can't imagine many others wanting to. It will be a pathetic fight.
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I saw that Maragarito had a "plaster like substance" removed and he had to re-tape the hands, that has got to have affected the mental preparation...
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Larry Reilly??
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The Time has Come…Now the World Awaits as Bernard Dunne goes in search of the ultimate prize at The O2, Dublin on Saturday, March 21st at the Hunky Dorys World Title Fight Night.
Dunne takes on World champion, Ricardo “El Maestrito” Cordoba for the WBA Super Bantamweight title as world championship boxing returns to Ireland for the first time in 13 years. The Dubliner turns 29 next month and he feels the timing is perfect for a shot at the WBA belt which once adorned the waist of Barry McGuigan over two decades ago.
“This is the fight I’ve wanted since I first put on a pair of boxing gloves,” said Dunne. “It’s every boxers dream to be a world champion and I’m no different. This is what I’ve worked my whole life for and now that the chance is here I want to grab it with both hands.”
Promoter Brian Peters had promised his charge a world title fight in 2009 and he’s duly delivered with Dunne admitting that having home advantage is a the icing on the cake. “It’s a huge coup to get the fight here, there’s no doubt about that,” said the former European Champ.
“Every boxer wants to fight for a world title but to have it in your hometown is special. It’s going to be an incredible experience and I know I’ll thrive on that atmosphere. Cordoba’s fought all around the world but he won’t ever have experienced anything like the atmosphere in the O2, it’s going to be very special. It’s a fantastic venue and March 21st can’t come soon enough.”
Peters believes that Dunne can claim his destiny by becoming Ireland’s next World Champion. “This is a huge event for Ireland, World title fights are often talked about but in reality they don’t come along too often,” said the promoter. “I think this has all the makings of a historic night for Irish sport. From the first time I saw Bernard as an amateur I believed he was destined to be a World Champion. It’s been a long road but where better for that dream to become reality than at the fabulous new O2 in his hometown.”
A hat trick of impressive wins over South American opposition in 2008 secured Dunne a number 11 ranking with the WBA and a crack at Cordoba’s World title. The tall, Panamanian southpaw has just one defeat in his 37 pro fights and won the title with a landslide points win over Luis Alberto Perez in his native country last September. Dunne has already studied the champ on DVD and admits he was impressed by what he saw.
“He’s a class fighter, you don’t get to be a World Champion without having that little bit extra than most,” said Dunne. “He’s still only 24 but he has a lot of experience and he’s been competing at the top level for so long now and you have to respect that.”
However Dunne shrugged off suggestions that he would be entering the ring as the underdog on March 21st. “That’s for the bookies to decide, that might take a bit of the pressure off me but at the end of the day it will only be the two of us in the ring and whether you’re labelled the favourite or the underdog it doesn’t matter as soon as you step between those ropes. It’s what you do on in that ring on the night that counts and I know I’m as good as anyone else out there. If I didn’t believe that then I’d have no business in there.”
Dunne has been training for the fight since before Christmas and says his preparations will intensify now that he has a date to focus on. “I’m flying already, I’m way ahead of where I would normally be this far out before a fight. I’ve been working very hard with my strength and conditioning coach, Mike McGurn and I’m also working with some new nutritionists and I’ve noticed a real difference in that area.
“I’m always looking to add extra little components to the team and I’m already feeling the benefits on the nutritional side. This is the most important fight of my career so I want to make sure that no stone is left unturned in my preparations.”
Details on the undercard of the Hunky Dorys World Title Fight Night will be announced next week.
Tickets for the Hunky Dorys World Title Fight Night are priced from €50 and are available now from Ticketmaster (phone 0818 719 300 or visit ticketmaster.ie). Tickets are also available from Ticketmaster outlets nationwide.
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Undefeated world super-middleweight and light-heavyweight boxing champion Joe Calzaghe has announced his retirement.
The 36-year-old Welshman, who reigned as a world champion for more than 11 years, quits the ring with a glittering record of 46 wins from 46 fights.
"It was a difficult decision but I have achieved everything I wanted to achieve in boxing," he told BBC Sport.
"I've been world champion for 11 years. I've got no other goals to go for. That's why I am calling it a day."
In an exclusive interview with BBC sports editor Mihir Bose, Calzaghe, who held the WBO, WBA, WBC and IBF super-middleweight belts during his 16-year professional career, said he had thought "long and hard" about retiring but insisted it was the right move.
"I had a long think with my family," he said. "My children wanted me to give up, plus my mum. That's why I called it a day and will go on to do something else."
Asked if he could ever be tempted back into the ring in the future, the Newbridge fighter replied: "My decision is to retire. I've been boxing for 25 years and, like I said, I've achieved everything I want to achieve.
"You can never say never in this game, but I can't see myself boxing again. There's loads of things I want to do. I'm proud to be one of only a few fighters in history to retire undefeated."
Calzaghe, who was born in London but moved to Wales when he was two, chalked up an impressive record as an amateur, winning 110 of his 120 contests after taking up the sport at the age of nine.
He began his professional career with a first-round stoppage of Paul Hanlon on 1 October, 1993, going on to win seven of his first nine bouts in round one.
Trained by his father, Enzo, he became British super-middleweight champion in 1995 before capturing his first world title in 1997, outpointing Chris Eubank to claim the WBO crown.
Despite suffering from several hand injuries, Calzaghe defended the title a total of 21 times, adding the IBF version to his trophy cabinet with a stunning victory over American Jeff Lacy in March 2006.
He then claimed the WBA and WBC belts with what he feels is his most satisfying fight, a unanimous points win over Denmark's Mikkel Kessler at the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff on 4 November, 2007.
"Unifying the super-middleweight division in front of 50,000 fans was a dream come true for me," he told BBC Sport.
"I was fighting a younger fighter than me, I was the underdog. A lot of people thought I was going to lose that fight. It was a great night."
Just a few weeks later, he was named BBC Sports Personality of the Year, collecting a CBE soon afterwards, which went nicely along the MBE he received in 2003.
Calzaghe's final two fights cemented his reputation as one of Britain's greatest ever boxers.
Stepping up to light-heavyweight and fighting in America for the first time, he won a split decision against Bernard Hopkins in Las Vegas to become 'The Ring' light-heavyweight champion.
Calzaghe was 2007 BBC Sports Personality
He then finished his career with a comprehensive points victory over the legendary Roy Jones Jr at New York's Madison Square Garden on 8 November.
Calzaghe, who will be 37 on 23 March, hinted before the fight with Jones that it would be his last, despite talk of a re-match with Hopkins.
Fellow Briton Carl Froch, who took possession of Calzaghe's old WBC super-middleweight belt by beating Canadian Jean Pascal in December, was also eager to take him on.
But Calzaghe resisted the lure of another big pay day and the chance to inch closer to Rocky Marciano's record of 49 wins from 49 fights.
Calzaghe, who has two sons, Connor and Joe, from his marriage to Mandy, says he now plans to concentrate on his charity work and becoming a boxing promoter.
Now divorced and living with model girlfriend Jo-Emma, he also revealed he had several TV projects lined up.
Heavyweight champion Rocky Marciano with 49 wins in 49 fights and strawweight and light-flyweight Ricardo Lopez of Mexico, with 51 wins in 51 fights also retired undefeated.
Good for him is what I say, go out with a clean record. Never really got the credit he deserved, but a fine boxer all the same.
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yeah glad he called it a day, there was no one else out there for him to fight. i hope it really is a proper retirement and not a i've retired but i'm open to offers like a lot of fighters these days.
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Yep, I'd retire too:
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she doesnt look like that now hi
good call from Joe - great record, great career - fair play to him he did his job - but i doubt he will ever go down as one of the all time greats - have the world has never heard of him and the other half may not remember him in 20 years
not saying he doesn't deserve to be but think this will be the case
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anyone know if setanta or anyone showing john duddys fight this weekend?? i know he is on the undercard of cottos vacant title fight, so i'm sure someone is showing it??
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National finals on now RTE 2
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Classy alright- great mover
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Karl Framton was the best fighter on the night without a doubt
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Duddy fight!
http://www.freesportsnetwork.net/ (http://www.freesportsnetwork.net/)
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Duddy wins, held of a late rally by Vanda!
American commentators says he would be better suited to 154lb weight division
Changed fighter tonight used the jab all night and controlled the fight, dont think Duddy has a mark after this one which the commentators cant get over!!
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duddy used his jab far more last night and didn't get involved in a slogging match, apart from the last round were he got caught a couple of times. aye the commentators were talking bout himmoving down a weight. i don't think will happen now with a fight with pavlik near a cert. if he gets beat then i couold see him move down.
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pavlik will eat him up and spit him out
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Pavlik should never have moved up in weights to fight hopkins and it showed
Adding Muscle Mass is very difficult over a short period of time and when he fought Hopkins, he was over powered and out muscled by the obviously bigger and stronger man - he should learn a valuable lesson from this - like Hatton - stay at your weight!!!!
Duddy for me is extremely over hyped and a puppet being used to empty the pockets of the Irish Americans. He is definitely not world class from what I have seen of him, he doesn't have a big punch, he is not technically gifted and at times is very reckless choosing to slug it out and prove a point instead on concentrating on his boxing.
Pavlik is too much of a step up in class for him and he is going to get a serious lesson......
The Irish Americans will still love him because he's Irish and took a good beating and is still smiling and the promoters will continue to make money off of him......
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Pavlik should never have moved up in weights to fight hopkins and it showed
Adding Muscle Mass is very difficult over a short period of time and when he fought Hopkins, he was over powered and out muscled by the obviously bigger and stronger man - he should learn a valuable lesson from this - like Hatton - stay at your weight!!!!
Duddy for me is extremely over hyped and a puppet being used to empty the pockets of the Irish Americans. He is definitely not world class from what I have seen of him, he doesn't have a big punch, he is not technically gifted and at times is very reckless choosing to slug it out and prove a point instead on concentrating on his boxing.
Pavlik is too much of a step up in class for him and he is going to get a serious lesson......
The Irish Americans will still love him because he's Irish and took a good beating and is still smiling and the promoters will continue to make money off of him......
I'd agree with your assessment of Duddy, but as for Pavlik being beaten by Hopkins being down to not being big enough. I personally don't think so, Hopkins was far too savvy for him and proved himself to be on another level. Pavlik fights in straight lines and any stylish boxer will trouble him. I'd like to see Arthur Abraham fight Pavlik.
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The point about mass is probably true and im sure it might have affected Pavliks game but the point that Glens made is true. The victory for Hopkins was more down to experience and boxing skill. All through the fight bhop beat him to the punch and generally had pavlik completely confused and exposed as 1dimensional. Speed, skill, experience rather than power. Put it like this, if Pavlik had the right muscle mass for YEARS before that fight he wouldnt have beat Hopkins that night (assuming all other factors were the same)
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The point about mass is probably true and im sure it might have affected Pavliks game but the point that Glens made is true. The victory for Hopkins was more down to experience and boxing skill. All through the fight bhop beat him to the punch and generally had pavlik completely confused and exposed as 1dimensional. Speed, skill, experience rather than power. Put it like this, if Pavlik had the right muscle mass for YEARS before that fight he wouldnt have beat Hopkins that night (assuming all other factors were the same)
Probably true, but Pavlik put on 10lb for that fight and he hadn't moved up weights before- it was just too much of a jump. Perhaps 167lb would have been a fairer compromise between the 2 fighters.
Disagree with Iceman though saying you should stay at your weight- to be considered great a boxer has to be prepared to move within reason to take the best fights. People who used Hatton's weight as an excuse for him getting slaughtered by Mayweather at welterweight generally omitted to mention the fact that PBF was fighting at lower weights than Hatton for most of his career. World class boxers, properly managed, should be able to move divisions and be successful.
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The point about mass is probably true and im sure it might have affected Pavliks game but the point that Glens made is true. The victory for Hopkins was more down to experience and boxing skill. All through the fight bhop beat him to the punch and generally had pavlik completely confused and exposed as 1dimensional. Speed, skill, experience rather than power. Put it like this, if Pavlik had the right muscle mass for YEARS before that fight he wouldnt have beat Hopkins that night (assuming all other factors were the same)
Probably true, but Pavlik put on 10lb for that fight and he hadn't moved up weights before- it was just too much of a jump. Perhaps 167lb would have been a fairer compromise between the 2 fighters.
Disagree with Iceman though saying you should stay at your weight- to be considered great a boxer has to be prepared to move within reason to take the best fights. People who used Hatton's weight as an excuse for him getting slaughtered by Mayweather at welterweight generally omitted to mention the fact that PBF was fighting at lower weights than Hatton for most of his career. World class boxers, properly managed, should be able to move divisions and be successful.
I didn't say that all boxers should stay at their weight. But Pavlik and Hatton definitely should have stayed at their ideal weight.
So tell me what proper management has to do with being successful in other divisions.....
Proper management in that they only fight 2nd rate fighters in that division and therefore get win?
In order to move between divisions you first need the genetics - you need the frame, the size, the legs and the ability to put on "good" weight in a timely manner without losing your speed, agility and hopefully increasing your power. You need the boxing ability and most fighters who succeed in other divisions are technical fighters although as always there are exceptions to this. Few fighters were able to do this but those that did will always be remembered as great and PFP contenders in their respective eras.
Thats my two cents anyway
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There was a good interview with Gerry Storey in the Sunday Times Sport last week if anyone could post up a link, very intertesting article about him and the Holy Family gym.
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Any thoughts on the upcoming Rogan v Skelton fight?
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Rogie was showing off his new beamer on newsline last night, said it was a gift from Audley Harrison!
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Rogie was showing off his new beamer on newsline last night, said it was a gift from Audley Harrison!
Think he was being sarcastic !!!!
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There was a good interview with Gerry Storey in the Sunday Times Sport last week if anyone could post up a link, very intertesting article about him and the Holy Family gym.
i saw that in the times on sunday. it was a very good interview. i would love to know how much of it is true though, some of it sounded a bit far fetched, but it was definitely obvious that storey didnt take sides at all when dealing with boxing.
where can the rogan fight be watched on tv?
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There was a good interview with Gerry Storey in the Sunday Times Sport last week if anyone could post up a link, very intertesting article about him and the Holy Family gym.
i saw that in the times on sunday. it was a very good interview. i would love to know how much of it is true though, some of it sounded a bit far fetched, but it was definitely obvious that storey didnt take sides at all when dealing with boxing.
where can the rogan fight be watched on tv?
No doubt about it! Apparently the rioting and shooting stopped every time Gerry walked up the Falls or Shankill ::), he is hardly Del Boy outside Nelson Mandela House!!
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Rogie was showing off his new beamer on newsline last night, said it was a gift from Audley Harrison!
Think he was being sarcastic !!!!
Sorry gaffer, use of explanation mark denotes my employment of sarcasm too!!!!! ::)
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Rogie was showing off his new beamer on newsline last night, said it was a gift from Audley Harrison!
Think he was being sarcastic !!!!
Sorry gaffer, use of explanation mark denotes my employment of sarcasm too!!!!! ::)
It was a nice motor too. God help the first drunken customer who spews all over the back seat.
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There was a good interview with Gerry Storey in the Sunday Times Sport last week if anyone could post up a link, very intertesting article about him and the Holy Family gym.
i saw that in the times on sunday. it was a very good interview. i would love to know how much of it is true though, some of it sounded a bit far fetched, but it was definitely obvious that storey didnt take sides at all when dealing with boxing.
where can the rogan fight be watched on tv?
Think the fight is on sky sports on saturday night. Its on the same bill as the couple of British Olympians including James DeGale who seems to be a bit of a p***k!
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There was a good interview with Gerry Storey in the Sunday Times Sport last week if anyone could post up a link, very intertesting article about him and the Holy Family gym.
i saw that in the times on sunday. it was a very good interview. i would love to know how much of it is true though, some of it sounded a bit far fetched, but it was definitely obvious that storey didnt take sides at all when dealing with boxing.
where can the rogan fight be watched on tv?
Think the fight is on sky sports on saturday night. Its on the same bill as the couple of British Olympians including James DeGale who seems to be a bit of a p***k!
That is a total understatement.
He is a complete c**k and for an Englishman he can hardly speak a word of English. He will be sheltered from anyone who can actually throw a punch (ala Khan) as he has a glass chin (ala Khan) and will build up a reputation through beating the dregs of the scene and being hyped up by the Brit media.
Then WHAM!!
knocked out by first decent fighter he meets (ala Khan) ;D ;D
I personnaly am looking forward to the day. ;D ;D
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once again rendall monroe showed kiko martinez up to be a very limited fighter last night. same story as last time, martinez always looking for the big knockout. it was close enough up until the 5th round and then monroes better boxing came through. thought at one stage the ref was going to stop the fight, but martinez hung on and went the distance.
looking forward to seeing big rogie tonight, would love to see him do it, and i wouldn rule it out. he'll give it his all thats for sure!!
hope degale gets knocked out!!!!!
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Rogie is 7/2 and Matt is 7/2 to win on points, i think that Rogie wont go down, pride will keep him up and if he doesn't win (he's 10/1 to win on points) then Matt will be a better bet at 7/2 for a points win
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What time is Rogie diggin'?
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Programme starts at 10pm on SS1
Dont know the order of fights
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Aye. Watching Shawshank and looking to know what time to turn over.
Post when it comes on.
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Has Marty been on yet?
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Has Marty been on yet?
Not yet, he has a few taxi runs to do before he fights.
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Any streams lads? have money on Matt wining on points
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Coming on now lads
Dont know where you would get a stream for it mr
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Where did Frank Warren round them duds up from? They landed about 20 punches between them in the 3 fights just there.
Rogan v Skelton is on now.
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Good man. Shawshank getting fecking interesting too!
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I see he still has that gypsy Eamonn Mage in his corner.
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Good man. Shawshank getting fecking interesting too!
I will save you the bother hs, he escapes :o
C'mon Rogie ya big cnut
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C'mon Rogie!
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Skelton is a big lad
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Massive big cnut. Marty will struggle here. "Where's our Gerard and Paddy? We'll knock his ballix in."
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Rogie doing ok so far
Certainly not a 4/1 shot so far
Who or what is 'Jodi' ?
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Rogie doing ok so far
Certainly not a 4/1 shot so far
Who or what is 'Jodi' ?
His daughter i believe.
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stream lads come on
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Nah, it's wee Jodi who used to drink in the Fort. The local alco. Was slabbering to Rogie one night and Rogie told him to 'step outside'. Jodi did. Rogie threw a haymaker at him, Jodi ducked and then landed one on Rogie's chin. Clean knockout. Jodi died of liver failure a week later.
68 years of age. RIP Jodi.
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stream lads come on
Sky Sports 1 are doing a great stream at present.
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stream lads come on
Sky Sports 1 are doing a great stream at present.
Yip. Great stream.
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>:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Rogie doing rightly. Can't see him winning but so far he's digging away.
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Has him by the balls here.
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Cant find a stream anywhere mr
Go on Rogie, ya have the b4stard
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C'mon Rogie! He has him here.
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:o
Surely he can't win this! Fcuk he's motoring rightly.
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Doing well alright
He is the favourite now @ 4/6
What are these skills that w4nker Watt keeps saying Skelton has ::)
Rogie has 5 years on Skelton as well
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Aye fcuk i didnt know Skelton was 42
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Marty has him here.
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Skelton is fcuked
1/4 now for Rogie
Hope Rogie has a bit in the tank, if he has fight over
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How do yis call it here? I think Rogie is way in front.
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Yes! Bate his cnut in Marty!!!
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Skelton is clean fucked
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1/12 on paddy power now/ 9/2 for points win today. done both
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Fcuk! This is a good fight.
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Great start to the 8th for Rogie
I have Rogie 2/3 in front
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Bury him, Marty!!!!!!!!
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your a ballax station
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1/5 on betfair now
Dont think it will go the distance miltown
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This is the best heavyweight fight i have seen since Rocky Balboa & Ivan Drago
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I heard he was shouting "Up the Johnnies", Marty.
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better than clubber lang?
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Marty is fucked now.
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They are both fucked now
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This is the round.
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Unreal. This is a great fight.
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if its a points win whos wining?
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Tight as fcuk.
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Rogan is probably slightly ahead
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They reckon Rogie is 1/2 up.
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Yes!!!!!
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Over. Yessssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!
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Fantastic win for rogan. great performance......not a lot of style but plenty of substance.
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Unreal. Wish I'd have gone down to the club now. :(
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brilliant
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Great, I thought the ref should have ended in in the 8th and I thought it would haunt him not having the finish, but Jesus did he land some smacks in the 11th. Excellent.
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Still on a buzz from that. 'Twas a deadly fight. Pure slugfest. Class.
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Still on a buzz from that. 'Twas a deadly fight. Pure slugfest. Class.
watching the repeat on SS1, what a fight, and fair play to the big fella. HS you must have enjoyed that!!
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Is it repeated today?
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Is it repeated today?
sky sports xtra now, but I think his fight is on last
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It was a hell of a fight last night. Thought it was slipping away from Martin in the 9th and 10th rounds but in the 11th he absolutely emptied the tank to win. He is a real likeable fella by the looks of it as well.
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If anyone can find a copy of Rogans fight online could they post a link. Must have been a great fight going by what i have read!
Watched Marquez against Diaz last night which also was a great fight, Marquez winning with a ninth round knockout!
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Any word from Kenny Egan who failed to turn up for the Ireland v USA fight yesterday and who can't even be contacted.
It is suspected he's going to turn pro but strange to not even turn up or to grt in touch with someone.
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Most enjoyable fight I've watched maybe ever. Hope he doesn't rush towards a fight with Haye, probably in a different class but Rogie has the heart of a lion.
Thought the two of them were going to collapse with exhaustion in the tenth but when Rogie smelt blood in the eleventh he totally battered Skelton, pure adrenalin seen him come up with a ferocious barrage.
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If anyone can find a copy of Rogans fight online could they post a link. Must have been a great fight going by what i have read!
It was far from a "great fight", and would be much less so if you knew the final outcome while watching, so don't get your hopes up of seeing a classic.
It was entertaining, both men gave it all, and while we would probably all have thought Rogan was ahead, it was worrying hearing Jim Watt talking about Skelton nicking rounds, so the result was in doubt right up until the stoppage in the 11th.
I don't think Rogan should move up from this. Stay at the Commonwealth level, defend against the likes of Danny Williams, Michael Sprott, Sam Sexton, or even give Skelton or Harrison rematches.
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Great Fight!!!
Anyone know of an internet link to it?
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Good win for Rogan - Skelton is as tough as they come and Chagaev couldn't stop him so that should give Rogan hope that maybe he can step up a level. Obviously his age is a problem as he hasn't the time to sit around and defend the Commonwealth belt, but then again after only 12 pro fights should he make the jump. It will be interesting.
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Folks - what about tomorrow night and Khan v. Barrera. Surely Barrera will knock the head off him? Khan wouldn't be up to that level would he?
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Nearly brought the YouTube thread off topic talking about this.
I haven't been following boxing as closely lately as I normally would but as I said in the YouTube thread
"I'm surprised they made this fight for Khan. His trainer Freddie Roach really piled on the pressure on him then by saying that if he wins he has a huge future ahead of him but if he loses thats it for him."
and
"Yea Barrera might not be as good as he once was, but for Khan who is not long after a huge defeat, I feel its a very hard fight this early on for him. Saying that I would not begrudge Khan a win at all, if he does win then fair play to him. Hopfully it will be a good fight."
But my first feeling on this fight was the same as yours Seanie, a dangerous fight for Khan.
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What time is McCloskey fighting?
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looking for a stream for the mccloskey fight, any links men?
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Folks - what about tomorrow night and Khan v. Barrera. Surely Barrera will knock the head off him? Khan wouldn't be up to that level would he?
Not sure what's up here. It's a rare fight for Khan to take on after the defeat. Something is telling me Barrera is done and Khan's crowd knows it. I hear Khan has been training away in private in the States - no mobile phone, no contact with home for 6 weeks.
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looking for a stream for the mccloskey fight, any links men?
http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=32956&part=sports
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looking for a stream for the mccloskey fight, any links men?
http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=32956&part=sports
gentleman, thanks sir
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http://www.justin.tv/baftas
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http://www.justin.tv/baftas
thats the one..good stream
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Why is McCloskey fighting Bernard Dunne?
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f**k sake. This wee lad is getting a hammering.
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dudey has him
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McCloskey is very open though. A good fighter would give him some trouble.
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This eejit won't though. McCloskey has very quick hands.
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Folks - what about tomorrow night and Khan v. Barrera. Surely Barrera will knock the head off him? Khan wouldn't be up to that level would he?
Not sure what's up here. It's a rare fight for Khan to take on after the defeat. Something is telling me Barrera is done and Khan's crowd knows it. I hear Khan has been training away in private in the States - no mobile phone, no contact with home for 6 weeks.
Yeah, but why would Barrera bother if he had any doubts? I know he's past his best but even at 35 I still think he'll have too much for Khan.
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he always is, its the way he seems to lure to oppo in
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Game over ffs.
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The End.
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some performance..hopefully shot at european soon
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Were did they find Harrison ???
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Were did they find Harrison ???
He has a great record. He once punched a hole in a wet paper bag. That was 5 years ago though and he is yet to repeat it.
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Were did they find Harrison ???
He was an old sparring partner of McCloskeys, knew it would be easy for him after reading that.
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Cracking win for Matthew Macklin tonight in Birmingham to win the British Middleweight title
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Should be an exciting one tonight lads, anyone any good streams... :)
same one as last night sir should do the trick
http://www.justin.tv/baftas
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What time do they reckon the Khan fight will start? Is it an early morning time?
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What time do they reckon the Khan fight will start? Is it an early morning time?
10:45 / 11pm according to justintv room
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Is it the next fight up after the Macerinelli fight?
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Should be an exciting one tonight lads, anyone any good streams... :)
same one as last night sir should do the trick
http://www.justin.tv/baftas
That seems to be an excellent stream so far anyway.
The Khan fight is coming up now. Enzo just got knocked out with as sweet a right punch as you will see!
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Excellent stream indeed. Just be patient while it loads.
Mine took over 5 minutes to load and its flowing ever since.
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http://redbullsports.blogspot.com/
try this
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I can't abide that bolox Jim Watt. Was a dirty ********. Pity Nash didn't beat him and be in the commentry box instead.
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That class of heads has ruined this fight
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That class of heads has ruined this fight
Ironic after wat I said about Watt!
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aye and our jimmy said hes never seen a clash like that in his boxing life!!!!!!
he was keen of the the Glasgow hand shakes
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shite fight, and stop talking up this young lad Khan
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SKY and the british papers will be hard to listen to now. The fight was ruined before it could even get started. That was Jim Watt is a b**tard of the highest order!
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This commentary is making me sick!!! Fcuk they'd do your head in. Barrera couldn't see for 4 1/2 rounds FFS!!!
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Khan is a far far bigger man. I couldnt see an aged MAB beating him. But it would have been nice to have a proper fight. With Khan's chin his opponent always has a chance.
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The interviewer was trying to get Barrera to say something good about Khan performance and he was having none of it. Jim Watt said absolutely nothing could take the shine away from Khans victory tonight - try a 4 inch gash on his forehead Jim!! In the words of SKY "a new super star has been born" ::) ::)
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Kahn won following a technical decision which was based on an accident in the first round which greatly favoured Kahn. He was essentially punching against someone who could only see out of one eye.
This fight could have been so much more competitive >:(
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I can't see how they can give him any more credit than for what he done in the first minute
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Khan is a far far bigger man. I couldnt see an aged MAB beating him. But it would have been nice to have a proper fight. With Khan's chin his opponent always has a chance.
a better balanced view hound, but the age thing, sure big Marty Rogan is 38. (not 37) Khan was looking stronger than before he'll have tougher tests soon enough.
remember the prince Nasim? Khan seems the same type
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Khan is a far far bigger man. I couldnt see an aged MAB beating him. But it would have been nice to have a proper fight. With Khan's chin his opponent always has a chance.
a better balanced view hound, but the age thing, sure big Marty Rogan is 38. (not 37) Khan was looking stronger than before he'll have tougher tests soon enough.
remember the prince Nasim? Khan seems the same type
But sure Marty Rogan was fighting a 42 year old in Skelton so the age thing was taking out of it to a certain degree in that one.
We will never know how the fight would have faired out if the clash of heads hadnt have happened. Its just the British media that I cant stand in moments like this. SKY barely mentioned the fact that the cut had a massive bearing on the fight!
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Well i suppose it was an improved display from the Bredis Presott fight he fought at the MEN ;D
Enzo Macranelli (sp) got knocked the f**k out tonight...anyome see that punch?? Enzo sure did'nt!!!!!!!!!!
Enzo was the great white hope a year ago but is having a time of it now.
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That was a brutal punch that ended macranelli tonight, absolutely brutal. On the Khan fight, its disappointing re the way the fight ended, as i think an uncut Barrera would gave given khan his fill tonight. its tough enough,without only being able to see out of one eye. Milltown, khan aint in the same class as hamed was.....he was an unbelieveably powerful puncher for his weight.....far more than khan is.
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Watched Barrera on Youtube today giving the T@@@er Prince Nassem a well deserved and long overdue hiding.
He was super in his prime.
Only supported Khan tonight cos he came over to Clonoe Boxing Club for a visit a couple of years ago.
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CAn't believe I had to throw a fella a fiver to watch that!! Cut ruined it. I reckon Barrerra would have put it up to him tonight only for the clash of heads.
Oh, and Enzo got KNOCKED THE f**k OUT!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00ymtv1UPMA
KNOCKED THE FUGGGG OUT!
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Almost pointless analysising the Khan fight. All the question marks remain even if SKY went beserk that he didn't fall to the 1 or 2 shots Barrera managed to throw. One or two fights away from a world title now I'd say. I have to say I quite like Khan. Whether he'll be a world class fighter is still to be decided but at least his fights are attractive to watch.
Christ that was some punch that floored Macarnelli. He sounded like a man of the verge of quitting after the fight. Was an explosive knock out the fight before as well.
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That was a brutal punch that ended macranelli tonight, absolutely brutal. On the Khan fight, its disappointing re the way the fight ended, as i think an uncut Barrera would gave given khan his fill tonight. its tough enough,without only being able to see out of one eye. Hound, khan aint in the same class as hamed was.....he was an unbelieveably powerful puncher for his weight.....far more than khan is.
buts thats the point. Khan is two weight divisions heavier than Hamed was. Its 8 years since Barrera showed up the Prince and since then has had wars with Morales x2, Tapia, Pacquiao x2, Ayala and Marquez (among others). Its 18 months since his last proper fight (when Pacquiao beat him 10 rounds to 2)
Khan is very fast, has excellent skills, and carries a decent dig. But a very good proper lightweight will knock him out. Even a good lightweight like British champ Jono Thaxton would probably do him.
But Khan will beat an aged (esp in terms of rounds boxed) and much smaller MAB 9 times out of 10 IMO. Warren would not have put him in with MAB otherwise.
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the sky ommentators were a disgrace last night!! none of them mentioned the fact that MAB had blood streaming into his left eye for the whole fight, well i think it was mccrory that said that MAB 'was complaining of blood affecting him, well never know!'! wat a p***k!! khan was throwing everything but wasn't hurting MAB. he wouldn't have knocked him out and would have been a good fight pnly for the cut. and the ' khan stopped him in the 5th' was a ridiculous statement by watt i think. you can be dam sure if it had have been the other way round, the only thing mentioned would have been the cut!! i don't mind khan, its just them w**kers on sky that bugs me!!! phew rant over!!!
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Terrible fight, was spoiled by the cut big tie
Lost £20 f**king quid on it, hate losing money when I dont get a run for it
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I saw it in the pub. So didn't get to listen to the lads on Sky, but if its as bad as ye lads say then I'm glad I didn't get to listen to it! I was shouting for Khan, but the fight was useless, the clash ruined it. The amount of blood that was coming out of MAB eye was awful.
Soon after the clash of heads it was obvious it was a very bad cut, the fight should have been stopped and ruled a no contest. As far as I know if its stopped before four rounds its ruled as such, it wasn't very fair to MAB and would have been a completely different fight only for the clash.
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the sky ommentators were a disgrace last night!! none of them mentioned the fact that MAB had blood streaming into his left eye for the whole fight, well i think it was mccrory that said that MAB 'was complaining of blood affecting him, well never know!'! wat a p***k!! khan was throwing everything but wasn't hurting MAB. he wouldn't have knocked him out and would have been a good fight pnly for the cut. and the ' khan stopped him in the 5th' was a ridiculous statement by watt i think. you can be dam sure if it had have been the other way round, the only thing mentioned would have been the cut!! i don't mind khan, its just them w**kers on sky that bugs me!!! phew rant over!!!
I wouldn't get too wound up with what's been said by the commentators on Sky. They need to build Khan up to generate money for him, they're hardly going to say the fight wasn't a proper test for him after the cut Barrera got. Warren will be looking for one of the weaker champions rather than someone like Marquez who will be far too clever for him. By rights, Khan should fight John Murray next for his British title, but that won't happen as Warren would rather he failed going for a world title than failed going for the title of his own country. Sky wouldn't be able to generate any more money off him.
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Well lads, what do all you boxing experts out there think about the Bernard Dunne fight this weekend? Does he have a good chance of winning? Would love to see him win it seems like a likeable sort of person.
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If it remains a technical boxing match he's in with a chance - Though it is rare for fighters to lose in their first voluntary defence
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I fancy Dunne to do it, he has looked really strong in his recent fights and has a different approach to since the Martinez loss. Cordoba has never won on foreign soil and he will be in for some wall of noise in the O2. Dunne returns to the scene of his only loss with a point to prove and a title to win, think Dunne will def start well but fight will prob go the distance with dunne edging it on points.
Dunne actually is a very nice fella (for a kn**ker) I met him in Croke Park a few years ago before he was as well known and he chatted away about boxing and the Dubs.
There was a crowd of youngsters following him around and he was signing anything they asked, he was really dead on about it, and commented "I bet they dont even know who I am, probably think Im playing out there later on" (Points at Croke Park pitch) "God wouldnt that be great."
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I fancy Dunne to do it, he has looked really strong in his recent fights and has a different approach to since the Martinez loss. Cordoba has never won on foreign soil and he will be in for some wall of noise in the O2. Dunne returns to the scene of his only loss with a point to prove and a title to win, think Dunne will def start well but fight will prob go the distance with dunne edging it on points.
Dunne actually is a very nice fella (for a kn**ker) I met him in Croke Park a few years ago before he was as well known and he chatted away about boxing and the Dubs.
There was a crowd of youngsters following him around and he was signing anything they asked, he was really dead on about it, and commented "I bet they dont even know who I am, probably think Im playing out there later on" (Points at Croke Park pitch) "God wouldnt that be great."
How good has the opposition since Martinez been though? The stat about Cordoba not winning in 3 fights outside Panama is encouraging though. Have to say I quite like Dunne though a lot of people seem put off by his cockiness. Could be a great day for Irish sport tomorrow.
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I fancy Dunne to do it, he has looked really strong in his recent fights and has a different approach to since the Martinez loss. Cordoba has never won on foreign soil and he will be in for some wall of noise in the O2. Dunne returns to the scene of his only loss with a point to prove and a title to win, think Dunne will def start well but fight will prob go the distance with dunne edging it on points.
Dunne actually is a very nice fella (for a kn**ker) I met him in Croke Park a few years ago before he was as well known and he chatted away about boxing and the Dubs.
There was a crowd of youngsters following him around and he was signing anything they asked, he was really dead on about it, and commented "I bet they dont even know who I am, probably think Im playing out there later on" (Points at Croke Park pitch) "God wouldnt that be great."
How good has the opposition since Martinez been though? The stat about Cordoba not winning in 3 fights outside Panama is encouraging though. Have to say I quite like Dunne though a lot of people seem put off by his cockiness. Could be a great day for Irish sport tomorrow.
If anything Dunne is not cocky at all when compared to most other boxers. I never thought Dunne would win a World Title, I hope he proves me wrong later on today. I know al ot of people don't like Dunne at all, but its typical, theres always a few begrudgers.
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its all wrapped up now
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Anyone I've spoken with that has met him says Dunne is a genuinely nice lad and a very decent fella. The arrogance/cockiness that he appears to have is only for the fight.
Hope he does it tonight - Plus he loves the Dubs so he can't be bad!!!
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I have followed Dunne for years and he is very entertaining and seems a decent fella. Hope he can do it tonight, also hope that Andy Lee does the business - the lads got rockets on both arms!
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Its up to Bernard now to make it one of the best days in Irish sporting history. Good luck!
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some fight going on here!!! could go either way!c'mon bernard
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hunky dorys looks silly in the ring
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Some scrap.
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dave boy is a legend
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Fair play to ya Bernard!!!!!!!!!some atmosphere!!!!!!
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brilliant!!! dunne was brilliant tonight. ref has alot to answer for, should have stopped it the first time cordoba went down in the 11th
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What a week for Irish sport.
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brilliant!!! dunne was brilliant tonight. ref has alot to answer for, should have stopped it the first time cordoba went down in the 11th
You not in bed yet??? big match tommorrow!!!!!! ;D
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going now man!! your starting tomorrow, so plenty of rest
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LOL i wish, away to dream of plucking balls and scoring goals then ;D :D
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What a fight !
What a night for Ireland !
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what was davy Fitz ndoing in the ring????? hope your man is ok
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Fantastic fight. Fabulous performance from Dunne
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Great fight. Both looked out of it at different stages. Great result
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Didn't think he had the legs for it as he seemed blown in the 10th. Great win and great atmosphere.
Thought that was that wee bollox Fitz in the ring at the end. Bernard's doll must have got dressed in the dark.
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Missed the first few but thought Cordoba had the best from 5 until the 10th. That the referee allowed that to go on after the second flooring was bad. I'd say Dunne will take no pleasure out of this until he knows Cordoba is ok.
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Absolutely superb fight ;D ;D ;D. Think I enjoyed that one even more than the Rugby. Dunne was brilliant - way way ahead of anything he's ever produced on RTÉ before. Amazing fight to watch as well. Would tend to agree with the lads in the RTÉ studio that when Cordoba got after the second knock down he ha d aright to go on - after all Dunne was down twice in a round in the 5th as well. Delighted for Dunne - finally laid to rest the ghost of Martinez. A world champion for Ireland to be proud of.
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I wouldn't want you scoring my fights Donagh. :)
Subjectivly speaking, I thought after Cordoba had his 5th round he didn't take control, in fact he looked the more wobbly from the 6th onwards.
Dunne was imperious after he survived the aftermath of the 5th and for the most part he looked the most likely to have the wherewithall to finish off the fight in the latter rounds.
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would agree with main street here. thought dunne was on top from the 6th rd up. would disagree with the rte lads in that after the 1st knocdown in 11th cordoba was hardly even fit to stand never mind protect himself, and as a result of that we see what eventually happened him. poor refereeing.
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It was a great nights entertainment, two excellent main fights.
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That's a hell of a division that Dunne is in, it or welterweight would probably be the strongest of the lot- Vasquez, Marquez, Caballero, de Leon all super-bantam. Any chat about who he'll fight next? I suppose he'll be looking to go to America to fight one of those if he could.
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Not really into the boxing but that was a great fight....Maybe national pride taking over but I roared him on...
Cant wait for Croker next Saturday 3 big wins in a week...fingers crossed!
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At the start of the 5th when Jimmy Magee thought it was over as Cordoba slipped, funniest commentating I've heard in years :D
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At the start of the 5th when Jimmy Magee thought it was over as Cordoba slipped, funniest commentating I've heard in years :D
Jimmy's great to listen to during a fight, Dave Boy is feckin awful tho!
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Delighted for Dunne it was the result of the weekend IMHO,though not so delighted with the pub I was in in the middle of Dublin city last night
Rather than have the commentry of the fight they continued to play Irelands Call over the loudspeakers and I could hardly see the TV with the amount of D4 rugby fans standing in the way with their backs turned to the TV..
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At the start of the 5th when Jimmy Magee thought it was over as Cordoba slipped, funniest commentating I've heard in years :D
think jimmy got a bit carried away, how he thought it wa over is beyond me!
for once i thought dave boy's analysis wasn't far off the mark, lefts on the inside followed by the right hook seemed to be where dunne made most ground. fair play to him, great fight. heart in my mouth for the second time inside a few hours.
hope cordoba was ok. dunne seemed to be genuinely concerned for him after the fight.
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At the start of the 5th when Jimmy Magee thought it was over as Cordoba slipped, funniest commentating I've heard in years :D
think jimmy got a bit carried away, how he thought it wa over is beyond me!
for once i thought dave boy's analysis wasn't far off the mark, lefts on the inside followed by the right hook seemed to be where dunne made most ground. fair play to him, great fight. heart in my mouth for the second time inside a few hours.
hope cordoba was ok. dunne seemed to be genuinely concerned for him after the fight.
I'm sure ex professional champion boxer Dave McAuley will be delighted to hear he knows boxing as well as you.
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At the start of the 5th when Jimmy Magee thought it was over as Cordoba slipped, funniest commentating I've heard in years :D
think jimmy got a bit carried away, how he thought it wa over is beyond me!
for once i thought dave boy's analysis wasn't far off the mark, lefts on the inside followed by the right hook seemed to be where dunne made most ground. fair play to him, great fight. heart in my mouth for the second time inside a few hours.
hope cordoba was ok. dunne seemed to be genuinely concerned for him after the fight.
I'm sure ex professional champion boxer Dave McAuley will be delighted to hear he knows boxing as well as you.
In defence of behind the wire I recall Dave Boy's analysis being "off the mark" before, kept yattering on about an opponent of Andy Lee coming at him from the wrong side given that Lee fights southpaw, forgetting Lee is a right-handed southpaw.
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obviously you dont watch the boxing very often tony. whats it like up there on the bandwagon?
i have heard dave boy giving shocking bad analysis on a few occasions, the most notable being the night andy lee fought jason mckay (as rav rightly pointed out)
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have to say i don't like jimmy magee commentating, he talks nonsense at times!! at the start of the fifth sums jimmy up for me, saying the fight was over. and dave OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! boy wasn't too bad last night! Darragh maloney got carried away too me thinks saying dunne was the best boxer on the planet!
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At the start of the 5th when Jimmy Magee thought it was over as Cordoba slipped, funniest commentating I've heard in years :D
think jimmy got a bit carried away, how he thought it wa over is beyond me!
for once i thought dave boy's analysis wasn't far off the mark, lefts on the inside followed by the right hook seemed to be where dunne made most ground. fair play to him, great fight. heart in my mouth for the second time inside a few hours.
hope cordoba was ok. dunne seemed to be genuinely concerned for him after the fight.
I'm sure ex professional champion boxer Dave McAuley will be delighted to hear he knows boxing as well as you.
I hope RTE paid dave boy with kosher 50 euro notes this time :P
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obviously you dont watch the boxing very often tony. whats it like up there on the bandwagon?
i have heard dave boy giving shocking bad analysis on a few occasions, the most notable being the night andy lee fought jason mckay (as rav rightly pointed out)
Dave Boy may have had the odd slip up in commentating, but i think he'd know a bit more than your average couch potato
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Dave Boy's comment was ok last night.....Darragh Maloney just got carried away i think!
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Didn't Jimmy scream out at one stage in the latter rounds, "DUNNE HAS A CUT EYE, HE IS BLEEDING"
whlie everbody else on the planet noticed that Dunne's eye had been cut and receiving treatment for 6 rounds previous.
The Ring at the end looked like a scene from a chainsaw massacre, blood on Dunne, on the the ref, on the the handlers, on the canvas, a boxer flat out on his back.
The blond woman had a bit of sense not embrace Dune and spoil a nice dress.
That Katie Taylor is savage.
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obviously you dont watch the boxing very often tony. whats it like up there on the bandwagon?
i have heard dave boy giving shocking bad analysis on a few occasions, the most notable being the night andy lee fought jason mckay (as rav rightly pointed out)
Dave Boy may have had the odd slip up in commentating, but i think he'd know a bit more than your average couch potato
you are dead right milltown, and his analysis last night was spot on. i simply made the comment in light of a couple of commentaries last year. maybe tony is his brother or something.
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seeing macklin there last night, do ya's think there is a possibility of either macklin/lee or duddy fighting anytime soon?? i would have macklin as no1 off the 3, can't help but be impressed by him anytime i've watched him fight.
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I would agree with Main Street, Dunne was brilliant from the 6th on. The 5th was crazy, Dunne came out and caught Cordoba who went down although it was given as a slip and then Dunne looked like he was going to be knocked out, reminded me of a fight he was in 2005 when he dominated a fight against a man (Voronin) and got caught in the last round and was like Tony Baloney outside the Armagh City Hotel at 2am on a Saturday night.
As for Lee, he needs to get a few more fights in and start fighting for titles (i.e. Irish, European etc). Why has Lee/Duddy/Macklin or even Jim Rock not fought each other to even determine Irelands order insetad of pussy footing around the globe to satisfy their little American friends.
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I would agree with Main Street, Dunne was brilliant from the 6th on. The 5th was crazy, Dunne came out and caught Cordoba who went down although it was given as a slip and then Dunne looked like he was going to be knocked out, reminded me of a fight he was in 2005 when he dominated a fight against a man (Voronin) and got caught in the last round and was like Tony Baloney outside the Armagh City Hotel at 2am on a Saturday night.
As for Lee, he needs to get a few more fights in and start fighting for titles (i.e. Irish, European etc). Why has Lee/Duddy/Macklin or even Jim Rock not fought each other to even determine Irelands order insetad of pussy footing around the globe to satisfy their little American friends.
The plain and simple reason for this is cash!, if one of them gets a version of a world title, then potential fights are worth a lot more.
As Steve Bunce often says fights are only made when they make cash common sense!
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It seems obvious in Duddy's case that the irish-american card is being played but surely Lee is making big bucks and as individuals they are bound to be a bit more motivated by glory instead of money. Well, you would like to think so
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I know what you mean but promoters won't be rushing to make the fights until one of them gets a world title, then it becomes so much bigger. It's all about money, boxing.
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Delighted for Bernard, that was some titanic effort. Great fight.
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pure class of a fight....
bernard was in the right the place ...... fair play! so delighted for him...
to be honest enjoy the fight ever so slightly more than the rugby....
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That's a hell of a division that Dunne is in, it or welterweight would probably be the strongest of the lot- Vasquez, Marquez, Caballero, de Leon all super-bantam. Any chat about who he'll fight next? I suppose he'll be looking to go to America to fight one of those if he could.
Seen on ceefax there that Munroe feels he's run out of options with his European belt and wants to fight for a Commonwealth title then take on the winner of last night's fight. Whether his promoter (is it Warren or Moloney?) will be willing to let Brian Peters promote that fight in Dublin is another thing. There was certainly no meeting of minds over a European title clash. Kiko Martinez would be an interesting proposition for a voluntary defence. Would certainly be a big draw and given Dunne's improvement since July 2007 added to Martinez's stagnation, you'd expect Dunne to win comfortably. How much longer will Peters be able to keep these fights in Dublin?
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Watched the fight again - still great viewing!
In hindsight Dunne was slightly fortunate at the end of the 5th. He took a lot of shots and another referee might have stepped in, particularly if it hadn't been so close to the end of the round. Whoever said Cordoba won every round from 6 to 10 is being very harsh. Thought on the replay there that Dunne took the 7th, 8th and 9th.
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Watched the fight again - still great viewing!
In hindsight Dunne was slightly fortunate at the end of the 5th. He took a lot of shots and another referee might have stepped in, particularly if it hadn't been so close to the end of the round. Whoever said Cordoba won every round from 6 to 10 is being very harsh. Thought on the replay there that Dunne took the 7th, 8th and 9th.
Watched it myself again,without the distraction of rugger buggers in my way..
Christ it was a great fight,real Rocky stuff!
Do you think he would have won on points if the fight had gone the 12 rounds?
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Watched the fight again - still great viewing!
In hindsight Dunne was slightly fortunate at the end of the 5th. He took a lot of shots and another referee might have stepped in, particularly if it hadn't been so close to the end of the round. Whoever said Cordoba won every round from 6 to 10 is being very harsh. Thought on the replay there that Dunne took the 7th, 8th and 9th.
Watched it myself again,without the distraction of rugger buggers in my way..
Christ it was a great fight,real Rocky stuff!
Do you think he would have won on points if the fight had gone the 12 rounds?
I don't think he was as far ahead on points as Jimmy Magee and Dave boy seemed to think. Last night at the start of the 11th, I said to Da that I thought he'd need at least 1 of the last 2 rounds to take it.
I think I gave Cordoba the 1st, 5th (is it 10-7 or 10-8 for 2 knockdowns), 6th, 10th and Dunne the 3rd (10-8), 4th, 7th, 8th and 9th. 2nd was very tight from what I remember. Would have been tight but I think Dunne had just about done enough.
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It was an amazing fight, great stuff, Dunne has improved himself no end in the last couple of years, but as a boxer and a person.
He had a cocky attitude a couple of years ago that would make plenty of people happy to see him lose. I was happy when he was dumped on this hole in the first round a couple of years ago, yet I roared him on from start to finish last night.
Great fight, great achievement, Great finish to a massive day in Irish sport
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What a fight! As a boxing fan I must say I took more delight in Dunne's win than in the Rugby! An amazing night, I was shouting at the TV, I have never been so nervous over a sporting event in years. I have said for the last four or so years, even before Dunne lost to Kiko when the bandwagon was in full swing that he would never win a world title, but I'm delighted he proved me wrong. I thought he would never survive that fifth round, but fair play to both men, they put on a great fight.
As for the ref, he was great, handled everything very well, don't know why people were complaining about him not stopping the fight earlier, Cordoba got straight up the first two times he was knocked in the 11th and he did not look hurt, so the ref was right to give him the chance to fight on. If the ref felt the same as some of the people who thought he didn't stop the fight on time well then we would never have got past the fifth round, it would have been over the second time Dunne went down. The ref wasn't at fault for what happened to Cordoba and thankfully he is fully OK.
Great night for Dunne and for Irish sport.
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Was at the fight, absolutely Brilliant (Have lost my voice :-[ :-\) Dunne is a credit, he really came back after the 5th, which truth be told if it had of gone on another 20-30 seconds would have been all over. THe atmosphere was electric & I must say I was very very impressed with the O2. A brilliant venue, roll on the next boxing night out...
Andy Lee was very disappointing I thought, Katie Taylor was excellent, it was nice to see her getting a high billing.
Only downsight of the day/night were the rip off prices in Dublin... 25 yoyo for 4 plastic pints, 8 euro on the meter for taxis to pick us up... & they wonder why the economy in the south is in a jocker!!
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thought Dunne was 4-2 ahead in rounds going into the 11th.
Am I correct in saying that he has dropped back down a weight division to his former naturalweight?
If so then his own professing of his punching being better when going back down to his natural weight was correct. He looked to have the punch that he prev didnt when fighting a couple of fights ago.
Andy Lee good boxer but defence a bit lacking at times, then again he was in the ring with a bit of a 'terminator' kind of guy - he kept coming and took a lot of punishment. Lee could have picked him off a bit more imo.
Easy said though !
great nights boxing.
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Wouldn't be a boxing fan by any stretch but thoroughly enjoyed the fight on Sat. Dunne did well to see out the 5th round and couldn't believe the way he came back in the sixth. Would have preferred if they had the points up on screen like in the Olympics but we had Cordoba slightly ahead going into the 11th. What a round, some atmosphere in the boozer, was delighted to see him winning it on a knockout and that Cordoba didn't suffer any ill effects (ending slightly tainted the match, not a nice sight). I thought Dunne was playing to the crowd too much rather than concentrating on his own game but it all came good for him in the end. Well done Mr. Pintsize...
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Delighted for Dunne and also the people of North Clondalkin. Always felt that BD had to ko the champ, as the rule of thumb in boxing (so I am told) is that the challenger has to be by far the best boxer on the night to get a points verdict.
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Great for Irish Boxing that we finally have a World Champion since McGuigan. Heard Dunne in his interviewing actually thanking Kiko Martinez for stopping him back in August - was like a wake up call for him. -- Said that he was all out to prove his doubters/critics wrong and i have to admit that as a fan of Dunne, i was wary of him taking this fight on so soon after Kiko. But fair play to him, he picked himself up off the canvas in the 5th and topped off a massive day for Irish Sport....
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he fought Martinez in Aug 2007
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Great for Irish Boxing that we finally have a World Champion since McGuigan.
Steve Collins, Wayne McClullogh.......
Fair play to Bernard, would love to see him step up in class again and fight one of the very top fighters in the weight division, I think he'll go for Martinez or Munroe first though before he has a shot at one of the huge names.
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Great for Irish Boxing that we finally have a World Champion since McGuigan.
Steve Collins, Wayne McClullogh.......
Fair play to Bernard, would love to see him step up in class again and fight one of the very top fighters in the weight division, I think he'll go for Martinez or Munroe first though before he has a shot at one of the huge names.
Meant to say first WBA World Champion since McGuigan
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Fantastic fight, and well done to Bernard.
But for the cut above his eye caused by a headbutt I think Dunne would have won easier. But he was very lucky in the 5th. Five more seconds in that round and I'm sure the ref would have stopped it.
I think the ref got the stoppage spot on in the 11th. And damn glad he didnt let it go the extra second so Cordoba could have heard the bell.
Scorecards after 10 rounds:
Ted Gimza 95-92
Tom Miller 96-91
John Poturaj 97-90
All in favour of Cordoba!
Looks like pretty much every close round was awarded to the champ.
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Fantastic fight, and well done to Bernard.
But for the cut above his eye caused by a headbutt I think Dunne would have won easier. But he was very lucky in the 5th. Five more seconds in that round and I'm sure the ref would have stopped it.
I think the ref got the stoppage spot on in the 11th. And damn glad he didnt let it go the extra second so Cordoba could have heard the bell.
Scorecards after 10 rounds:
Ted Gimza 95-92
Tom Miller 96-91
John Poturaj 97-90
All in favour of Cordoba!
Looks like pretty much every close round was awarded to the champ.
97-90! i must have been watching another fight! It is some turnaround to some of the irish commentators who had dunne when it was stopped
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97-90
I would find that very hard to believe if it wasn't for the fact that judges can be very unpredictable, sometimes I wonder what exactly do they mark on, as sometimes the results they give are outrageous.
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Fair play to Dunne great fight can't believe thats how the judges had the match scored. Went to see him in his comeback fight after the martinez defeat in castlebar and honestly didn't think he would be world champion glad he proved me wrong. Seems a likeable lad and even his attitude after matinez defeated him was great, he did an interview straight away with Marty Morrisey that night and 1st thing he did was apologise to the fans who had paid good money to watch the fight.
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Fantastic fight, and well done to Bernard.
But for the cut above his eye caused by a headbutt I think Dunne would have won easier. But he was very lucky in the 5th. Five more seconds in that round and I'm sure the ref would have stopped it.
I think the ref got the stoppage spot on in the 11th. And damn glad he didnt let it go the extra second so Cordoba could have heard the bell.
Scorecards after 10 rounds:
Ted Gimza 95-92
Tom Miller 96-91
John Poturaj 97-90
All in favour of Cordoba!
Looks like pretty much every close round was awarded to the champ.
fecking hell, didnt think that anyone would have scored it as one sidedly as this
as you say, judges generally go with the champ ....imagine if Dunne didnt stop him, the kind of reaction from the crowd to that result being announced !
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Fantastic fight, and well done to Bernard.
But for the cut above his eye caused by a headbutt I think Dunne would have won easier. But he was very lucky in the 5th. Five more seconds in that round and I'm sure the ref would have stopped it.
I think the ref got the stoppage spot on in the 11th. And damn glad he didnt let it go the extra second so Cordoba could have heard the bell.
Scorecards after 10 rounds:
Ted Gimza 95-92
Tom Miller 96-91
John Poturaj 97-90
All in favour of Cordoba!
Looks like pretty much every close round was awarded to the champ.
fecking hell, didnt think that anyone would have scored it as one sidedly as this
as you say, judges generally go with the champ ....imagine if Dunne didnt stop him, the kind of reaction from the crowd to that result being announced !
Scores seem fair to me, he was getting blitzed. Hometown decisions are much more likely than siding with the champion. Fair play to Dunne, but they ony get harder from here. Looks like his first amandatory will be against a Thai wth a 37-1 record.
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Fantastic fight, and well done to Bernard.
But for the cut above his eye caused by a headbutt I think Dunne would have won easier. But he was very lucky in the 5th. Five more seconds in that round and I'm sure the ref would have stopped it.
I think the ref got the stoppage spot on in the 11th. And damn glad he didnt let it go the extra second so Cordoba could have heard the bell.
Scorecards after 10 rounds:
Ted Gimza 95-92
Tom Miller 96-91
John Poturaj 97-90
All in favour of Cordoba!
Looks like pretty much every close round was awarded to the champ.
fecking hell, didnt think that anyone would have scored it as one sidedly as this
as you say, judges generally go with the champ ....imagine if Dunne didnt stop him, the kind of reaction from the crowd to that result being announced !
Scores seem fair to me, he was getting blitzed. Hometown decisions are much more likely than siding with the champion. Fair play to Dunne, but they ony get harder from here. Looks like his first amandatory will be against a Thai wth a 37-1 record.
suppose I am biased alright, but I thought that cordoba was throwing a lot of punches but not getting through Dunnes guard.
Certainly trying to be as impartial as possible, thought he was two rounds ahead...
there ya go though !
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Exactly- trowing a lot of punches. Even if they're not getting through, he was still the aggressor, which by right should give hime a 10-9 round under the professionsal scoring system.
Anyway, you should be paying more attention to the big thing in waiting tat is Paul McCloskey!
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Exactly- trowing a lot of punches. Even if they're not getting through, he was still the aggressor, which by right should give hime a 10-9 round under the professionsal scoring system.
Anyway, you should be paying more attention to the big thing in waiting tat is Paul McCloskey!
when did that change- it used to be scoring punches that were counted, not just throwing them (and missing) !
Or are you just saying that this is what influences judges these days ?
Am def watching MCloskey with interest, has already surprised me with his better than expected punching ability.
A few friends never miss his fights. Hope he can continue his build up and learning before maybe hitting the big time.
Thats what Steve collins did - in fact I thought he had missed the boat when he returned from america !
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The packet racket wants his chance now - he is some craic!
http://www.skysports.com/opinion/story/0,25212,12533_5094320,00.html
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The packet racket wants his chance now - he is some craic!
http://www.skysports.com/opinion/story/0,25212,12533_5094320,00.html
Shouldn't he have retired years ago? Dunne could get some big money fights now that he is World Champion, nothing to gain by fighting Wayne, and for Wayne's own sake he should retire. There is too much to lose and nothing to gain by fighting McCullough.
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feel sorry for wee wayne. Have done since I saw his wife interviewed, she was wearing wee picture frame earrings with pictures of wayne winning his belt (i had typed "wayne in the ring" there but decided it would be for the best if I removed that reference).
His power is gone, what little he had, and this leaves him in the position where his chin is all that keeps him in fights. His scoring punches are not doing any damage to fighters at all and he will only win if he has a very scoring punch oriented scorers and his opponent is not strong enough to do him damage over the duration of the fight...
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I am both saddened and sickened by Wayne. Wayne was a good enough ambassador for Irish boxing in his time but he should stick to writing articles, commentating and some D-list appearances at boxing matches.
Trying to jump on Dunne's success is sickening. Let Bernard have his glory.
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Taken from www.bbc.co.uk/sport
Amir Khan will get his first chance at a world title on 27 June when he fights WBA light-welterweight champion Andreas Kotelnik in Britain.
The 22-year-old from Bolton defeated Mexican legend Marco Antonio Barrera in their lightweight contest in Manchester last month.
But he will move up a division to take on Germany-based Ukrainian Kotelnik at an as-yet undecided venue.
"To fight for the world title in only my 22nd fight is fantastic," said Khan.
"This is the best news that I could have received. Frank (Warren, promoter) has done a great job getting the world title fight for me in Britain and now I have to go out and win it.
"I've seen Kotelnik a few times and I've always been impressed by him but once my trainer Freddie Roach works out the game plan to beat him it's my job to execute it on the night, as I did effectively against Barrera."
Following his knockout defeat by Breidis Prescott last September, Khan's hopes of a world title fight seemed a distant hope.
However, the performance against Barrera, which saw him win courtesy of a fifth-round technical stoppage, has put him back on track.
Most of his campaigning until now has been in the lightweight division where he won the Commonwealth, WBO and WBA intercontinental titles but he beat Rachid Drilzane for the IBF intercontinental light-welterweight title in December 2006 in London.
Kotelnik, who won Olympic lightweight silver at the 2000 Games in Sydney, four years before Khan did the same in Athens, has fought in Britain three times previously.
His first fight, in 2005, saw him beaten by Junior Witter in a European light-welterweight title fight.
In 2007 he held then WBA World Champion Souleymane M'Baye to a draw and last year he beat Gavin Rees to win the WBA crown.
Promoter Warren said: "This is the moment that Amir has been waiting for and I'm delighted to deliver him the opportunity.
"Amir put in a sensational performance against a three-time world champion and future Hall of Famer in Barrera in only his 21st fight and now he has to produce the same form against Kotelnik, who is a good hard fighter."
Interesting that he goes up to light-welterweight for a world title fight as he is ranked in the top 10 for the various light-weight belts. Being only a casual fan of boxing I was wondering is he moving up because this guy would seem to be easier to beat than any of the light-weight champions or do you think the oppertunity presented itself and he had to take it. If he wins it could set up a big pay day with Hatton.
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Steve Bunce ran a competition on his boxing hour last month when people had to decide who they thought was the worst world champion past or present. Khan was on the show and Buncey asked him who he thought was the worst current world champion of any weight and he said Kotelnik, I wonder will he regret saying that when they meet in June. Suppose it does tell you why he has moved up. Just for the record Hatton would destroy Khan and I couldn't see Warren let that happen for a while yet. He has a bit more money to make out of Khan against mediocre or washed up opponents before he lets him face a great fighter like Hatton.
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I despise Warren with a passion, obviously milking Khan for all he is worth, which in boxing terms isn't alot. He'll be found out (again) soon enough.
Hatton will never fight Khan, why would he when he can contest with the best pound for pound fighters in the world and making a packet at the same time.
I've alot of respect for Roach but I'd love to see Khan fall on his ass in his next few fights, wouldn't be much comeback from another KO.
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Any thoughts on the Winky Wright v Paul Williams fight tonight? Winky hasn't fought in 2 years since getting beat by Hopkins at light-heavyweight, he's back down at a more natural weight for him tonight but 2 years is a long time to be out of the ring and he's 37 now... I fancy Williams to beat him on points
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Any thoughts on the Winky Wright v Paul Williams fight tonight? Winky hasn't fought in 2 years since getting beat by Hopkins at light-heavyweight, he's back down at a more natural weight for him tonight but 2 years is a long time to be out of the ring and he's 37 now... I fancy Williams to beat him on points
Good shout and correct decision by the judges, Williams boxed much better.
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Golden Boy Retires
Boxing legend Oscar de la Hoya has announced his retirement from the sport at the age of 36.
De la Hoya, nicknamed 'the Golden Boy', held world titles at six different weights and ends with a win loss record of 39-6 with 30 knockouts.
"When I cannot compete at this level, I have come to the conclusion that it is over," said the Mexican-American.
"Knowing you are never going to fight again is a tough decision but I am looking forward to the future."
De la Hoya won a gold medal at the Barcelona Olympics in 1992 and won 10 world titles, first at super-featherweight, before moving eventually through to middleweight.
He beat Julio Cesar Chavez for the light welterweight championship twice and claimed the unofficial crown of the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world when he beat Pernell Whitaker for the WBC welterweight crown in 1997.
In 2007, he lost to Floyd Mayweather Jr but it was defeat by Manny Pacquiao last December, his last fight, that pushed him towards retirement.
De la Hoya added: "This was a decision I was going back and forth with, thinking I can do it one more time.
"But it's not fair to me, it's not fair to the fans, it's not fair to nobody. I've come to the conclusion that's over, it's over inside the ring for me."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/7999178.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/7999178.stm)
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Lads, im heading over to Vegas end of July, anyone know of any fights that may be taking place around that time, Ive always wanted to go to a fight in Vegas
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Lads, im heading over to Vegas end of July, anyone know of any fights that may be taking place around that time, Ive always wanted to go to a fight in Vegas
I'm sure the UFC will be in town at the end of July. I've only made it to one live event and the atmosphere is amazing lad. Its not Croke Park but it is a great event.
Hatton should be in town too
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is there anyone showing the taylor/froch fight on sat night?? setanta or sky?? should be a good fight i would think, very hard to know what way it would go.
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frogh's last fight was on itv
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is there anyone showing the taylor/froch fight on sat night?? setanta or sky?? should be a good fight i would think, very hard to know what way it would go.
I read somewhere I think that no British television organisations signed up to televise this fight. I think froch even had a pop at them saying it was their loss if they didnt show it. If this is true, then its a disgrace as Frochs last night was a clinker.
Yeah would have thought ITV would have stumped up for it after the last fight but they didn't. It's being televised in US though so should be available online if you're keen to see it.
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The Froch v Taylor fight is on ITV4 on Sunday at 8.30pm and ITV1 at 11.15pm on Sunday. It is on live on a website (FrochvTaylor.com) but for £9.95
http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/BN08/detail.asp?id=1116
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Surprised fight not live. Hpefully it will be half as entertaining as his last fight. ne1 been watchin Hatton- Pacquiao 24/7?wats ur toughts on them?
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No reports on the Duddy fight? All I know is he was bate on a split decision!
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Derry middleweight John Duddy suffered a shock first defeat as a professional when he lost on a split decision to Billy Lyell in New York.
Lyell, beaten seven times in a 26-fight pro-career, had been regarded as a safe opponent for the Irish boxer, but Duddy failed to produce the goods.
The result ends any hopes Duddy had of getting into the ring with WBC and WBO champion Kelly Pavlik.
Lyell from Ohio won 97-93 and 98-92 on two of the judges' cards.
The third judge gave it to Duddy 96-94.
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Surprised fight not live. Hpefully it will be half as entertaining as his last fight. ne1 been watchin Hatton- Pacquiao 24/7?wats ur toughts on them?
Looking forward to it...I don't fancy Hattons chances in this one though :-\
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Derry middleweight John Duddy suffered a shock first defeat as a professional when he lost on a split decision to Billy Lyell in New York.
Lyell, beaten seven times in a 26-fight pro-career, had been regarded as a safe opponent for the Irish boxer, but Duddy failed to produce the goods.
The result ends any hopes Duddy had of getting into the ring with WBC and WBO champion Kelly Pavlik.
Lyell from Ohio won 97-93 and 98-92 on two of the judges' cards.
The third judge gave it to Duddy 96-94.
That is some difference in the scoring! the judges must have pretty much got every round scored differently!
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Highlights of Froch v Taylor on ITV at 11.15 tonight.
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Highlights of Duddy getting bate is on in 10 mins on BBC1.
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Watched Duddy and the Froch fight and have to say Duddy is a long way from the finished article or even close to getting a World Title Fight. Yeah I know he changed Trainer and changed his style a bit but this guy was a journeyman and Duddy was expected to beat him comfortably yet he was well beaten in the end up.
Stumbled across Froch Taylor last night and it was riveting stuff. Both lads went at it hell for leather and when Froch needed to pull it out of the bag he managed to do just that when it mattered. It was great stuff!
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Would cringe if Calzaghe came out of retirement. Nothing to gain by fighting Froch. Taylor has a record of starting brightly and getting worn down by tough but limited fighters. Froch was lucky enough and will be found out eventually, another fighter would have finished him off after the 3rd round knockdown. I would like to see him fight Kessler or Hopkins, think he would be showed up.
Read about this fella Juan Manuel Lopez knocking out Gerry Penalosa at the weekend (though havent seen it yet). Broke compubox records by throwing over 1000 punches and landing 444 in nine rounds, some hype about him now hes 25-0 with 23 knockouts and is being widely tipped to clean up the jr. featherweight division. This division already has 3 of The Rings top 10 pound for pounders as well as our own Bernard Dunne :)
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Whiskeysteve. "Juanma" is being talked about quite a bit. Is looking for fight with Marquez or Vazquez which could be brilliant. He knocked out Daniel Ponce de Leon in one last year (massive puncher himself who previously knocked out Rey Bautista in one or two rounds). Should be some cracking fights in that division over enxt 18 months
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Whiskeysteve. "Juanma" is being talked about quite a bit. Is looking for fight with Marquez or Vazquez which could be brilliant. He knocked out Daniel Ponce de Leon in one last year (massive puncher himself who previously knocked out Rey Bautista in one or two rounds). Should be some cracking fights in that division over enxt 18 months
Yes its easily the best division at present, I hope Dunne can manage to get a fight against one of the big boys, he'd need to do it soon really as he only probably has a couple of years left at the top when you consider the peak years usually for fighters around that weight.
Froch looked very cumbersome all fight and have to agree with judge's scorecards that he was a few rounds down, he knew that himself and really went for it last round. That was a massive win, didn't expect him to beat Taylor in America. I think Kessler would be his next realistic target to fight as can't see Calzaghe coming out of retirement. Pavlik will more than likely fight at middleweight for a while now so I don't think he's a viable option.
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De la Hoya was a much bigger fighter too but it didn't do him any good.
Hatton definitely worth a punt at those odds though - he definitely has the tools to win this but does he want it as much as Manny?!?!?
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I have a fleeting interest in boxing and to be honest I dont really know a hell of a lot about its structures.
Tell me this, how many organisations are there (i.e - WBO, WBC etc) and are some organisations more prestigous than others?
Also, can a boxer hold titles in different organisations?
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I have a fleeting interest in boxing and to be honest I dont really know a hell of a lot about its structures.
Tell me this, how many organisations are there (i.e - WBO, WBC etc) and are some organisations more prestigous than others?
Also, can a boxer hold titles in different organisations?
WBC, WBO, WBA, IBF would be the four respected sanctioning bodies. IBO is a bit of a mickey-mouse title and you won;t find their title holder on a list of champions usually. You can hold different belts at once.
Ring magazine in the past few years have had their own 'linear' champion who would generally be the best in the division. They work it through who the champions would be were there still one belt in each division, by working through the line of champions and who beat them each time. If the line has broken then to win the Ring title one of its top 3 ranked boxers in the division has to beat the other to become champion. Ring would be the real definitive champion in each division which has a Ring champion.
It is a bit shit that there are so many world titles. Great as it was to see Dunne win his belt and everyone saying it was great to have an Irish world champ, the reality is he's not even in the top 5 or 6 in his division.
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Does anyone know if 24/7 can be watched online? Its an amazing show, some of the training scenes you could watch over and over again.
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Anyone going to the Odessey on the 15th for the Rogan fight. The 'Western Warrior' Henry Coyle is fighting on the undercard bringing a good gang of mayo supporters to belfast.
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I have a fleeting interest in boxing and to be honest I dont really know a hell of a lot about its structures.
Tell me this, how many organisations are there (i.e - WBO, WBC etc) and are some organisations more prestigous than others?
Also, can a boxer hold titles in different organisations?
WBC, WBO, WBA, IBF would be the four respected sanctioning bodies. IBO is a bit of a mickey-mouse title and you won;t find their title holder on a list of champions usually. You can hold different belts at once.
Ring magazine in the past few years have had their own 'linear' champion who would generally be the best in the division. They work it through who the champions would be were there still one belt in each division, by working through the line of champions and who beat them each time. If the line has broken then to win the Ring title one of its top 3 ranked boxers in the division has to beat the other to become champion. Ring would be the real definitive champion in each division which has a Ring champion.
It is a bit shit that there are so many world titles. Great as it was to see Dunne win his belt and everyone saying it was great to have an Irish world champ, the reality is he's not even in the top 5 or 6 in his division.
The 'title' he won was a bit strange too wasn't it? I'm not 100% on these things but he seems to have won a second watered down version of the WBA title, as the original WBA title holder became a 'super champion' by winning another belt. I've read that this is a bit of a scam that the WBA pull, having two champions at once so that they pick up sanctioning fees from two sets of title fights.
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http://www.boxrec.com/ratings.php?division=Super%20Bantamweight&sex=m
There is one list of rankings anway with Dunne at number seven. You could argue all day about the order. De Leon isn't much of a boxer but packs a hell of a punch - would be surprised if Dunne started favourite against him. Munroe has schooled Martinez on two occasions and would give Dunne a very good fight. Not sure why Rafael Marquez and Israel Vasquez aren't there. Only thing I can think of is possibly inactivity - i've seen Vasquez and also sometimes Marquez in quite a few P4P lists.
Manny wins for me. Hatton is bigger but suspect Pac Man is actually the puncher in this fight. He is almost as fast as Mayweather. Despite some people claiming it was a close fight, Mayweather handed him his ass that night and made Hatton look slow. Whereas Mayweather picks his punches beautifully Pacman will be non stop himself. Wouldn't be surprised if Hatton was stopped late but more likely a UD by 2-4 points.
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http://www.ringtv.com/ratings/jr_featherweight/
There's the rings ratings at super-bantam, they have Dunne as 8th in his division with Vazquez as the champ. AFS - you're right, Caballero unified 3 of the titles I think so WBA promoted him to super-champion which allowed Cordoba to win the vacant title, then Dunne beat him. A complete joke really but it hasn;t been mentioned much as everyone wants to build up rather than knock down what Dunne has achieved.
As for Saturday, I'm confident Pacquiao will outclass Hatton and I have a feeling he'll knock him out.
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Anyone going to the Odessey on the 15th for the Rogan fight. The 'Western Warrior' Henry Coyle is fighting on the undercard bringing a good gang of mayo supporters to belfast.
Coyle is a pretty decent boxer from the limited viewing of him, are they expecting a capacity crowd in Belfast for this ?
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Manny Pacquiao defies pain by sticking to his guns
Ron Lewis, Las Vegas
Behind the engaging smile of Manny Pacquiao is a man of steely courage. Becoming the best boxer in the world was not something that came easily, because Pacquiao had to work his way up from poverty on the streets of the Philippines and there was plenty of pain and struggle on the way. In fact, pain is something he has learnt to put himself through on a regular basis.
Pacquiao uses his training sessions not just as ways of getting fit and working on his skills and strategy — he uses them as opportunities to endure pain. The more pain he endures in training, he reasons, the less he will feel it in the ring against Ricky Hatton here on Saturday night.
One method that Pacquiao uses to toughen up is being hit by martial arts sticks. In Thailand, kick boxers use them to harden their forearms and shins, but Pacquiao uses them on his torso. “It’s a Thai method of deadening the nerves to take away pain,” Freddie Roach, Pacquiao’s trainer, said. “You’re supposed to get used to it [the pain]. They are just pieces of wood. I don’t hit him because I don’t believe in it, but he likes it. One of my guys who learnt it in Thailand does it. It goes on for 20 minutes every other day, on the arms, but mostly the stomach.”
As Pacquiao — who won his first world title at flyweight (8st) but who will face Hatton at light-welterweight (10st) — has moved up the weight divisions, he has had to answer more and more questions about whether he can take punches from bigger boxers. He leaves little to chance.
“Manny got knocked out by a body shot once at 112lb [flyweight],” Roach said. “Since that happened, he works so hard on his body, he makes sure that will never happen again. During sparring, he will put himself on the ropes, lift his arms up and say to the guys, ‘Go to work’, and just let those guys fire off at him. We also do two sets of sit-ups a day, that’s over a thousand motions.”
The confidence surrounding the 30-year-old Pacquiao remains ominous and that has been reflected in the betting here, where the Filipino has been backed down to odds-on that he will beat Hatton inside the distance.
“I’m a believer that speed kills,” Bob Arum, Pacquiao’s veteran promoter, said. “I’ve never seen such a mixture of speed and explosive punching power that Manny has. I think that carries him to victory. The sparring partners he had were top professionals and they couldn’t handle them. Manny just beat the s*** out of them. Ricky Hatton says he’s fast and he is, but his speed is just on a different level to Pacquiao.”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/more_sport/boxing/article6194088.ece
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Can't understand him fighting Marquez
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any one staying up to watch it?
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Looking forward to it! cans are in the fridge cooling as i type :)
Pacman in 10!
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Think Hatton can do it. Manny could well be hit tonight harder than ever before given Hatton's size (De La Hoya never really caught him). Hasnt Manny already been stopped twice before at lower weights?
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Think Hatton can do it. Manny could well be hit tonight harder than ever before given Hatton's size (De La Hoya never really caught him). Hasnt Manny already been stopped twice before at lower weights?
Maybe when he was a lot younger? Think he's been a pro since about 15.
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Latest odds:
Pacquiao - 1/2
Hatton - 13/8
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Looking forward to it! cans are in the fridge cooling as i type :)
Pacman in 10!
Alright for you carmen, you dont have to get up at a ridiculous time to watch it, wouldnt be that way if you where in Carrickmore ;D
Your usually a good man for the streams? Any links otherwise ill have to pay for it on Sky Box Office (thats HBO to you ;D)
take a look here around fight time!
http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=37803&part=sports (http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=37803&part=sports)
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This is pretty decent as well so far anyway
http://www.justin.tv/vip_pub
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any one staying up to watch it?
Think il try stay up for it, but feeling it already!
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Over in 2! Hatton outclassed big time. Pac-man too fast and good for him!
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Stayed up for nothin! :-\
Pacquaio destroyed him, clean destroyed him. That K.O. was as clinical a shot as you will ever see in your life
Mayweather is the only show in town now for Pacman
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That was a brilliant knockout, some performance from Manny. In a completely different league to Ricky, just hope hes ok cos he was out cold!! :(
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One of the best K.O's i've seen. Came from nowhere and knocked his lights out. Think this is Hatton's career over. You gave us great enjoyment over the years but came up against better men in Mayweather and Pacquiao and can't go any higher I'm afraid.
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Can't argue with Pacman's class. Himself and Mayweather will be the biggest fight of this generation if it happens
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Now that Mayweather is back, him and Pacquiao will be an unbelievable fight. Pacquaio is without a doubt best fighter I have seen and won't bother him moving up to 147lbs to take on Mayweather.
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Juan Manuel Marquez might argue about Manny being number one - you could make good argument for him winning both their fights. I think Floyd beats both of them however. Speed was key for Pacquiao last night, Hatton just couldn't get out of the way. Mayweather will be too big for JMM I think. If he does then fight Manny then you are talking about two guys with electric speed. I wouldn't read too much into their respective fights against Hatton and DLH, Mayweather got their first on both accounts, and whilst not as spectacular, gave boxing clinics. Assuming he hasn't lost anything in 18 months out of the ring (he may be slightly rusty but always kept in tip top shape), then I'd have him as favourite against Pacquiao - great bigger man against great smaller man - no other reason.
Mayweather vs Cotto is one to get the mouth watering as well. I think Floyd will be keen for this, as if he beats JMM and Pacquiao people will still say, "sure they were stepping up in wieght".
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Time for ricky to retire.Should have one last fight in front of a sell out crowd in manchester has a farewell but unfortunately he has proven twice that when put into the ring with the very best hes just not good enough.Nothing left for ricky to fight for. he has shown that he can be a world champ and knock boys out for fun in the light-welterweight division but outside that he just aint good enough to beat the very best.
Pacman -mayweather would be the dream fight now.think pacman has the speed and power to take mayweathers 0, providing that mayweather wins on july 18 against Marquez.
then I'd have him as favourite against Pacquiao - great bigger man against great smaller man - no other reason.
Id make Pacquiao favourite, hes in peak form and destroyed his last two opponents who wre both bigger than him.
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He destroyed them alright but DLH didn't present a moving target and Hatton has never been hard to hit. Mayweathers dancing shoes will prove trickier. I think Mayweather would be favourite but I wouldn't be putting any money on it
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That was a long wait for 6 minutes of action this morning. Not a lot you can say really - Pacquaio was just far too good. 3 or 4 beautiful punches.
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are there any highlights of the fight about?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxfHWTETT_o
That was some punch, Packman and Mayweather will be a great one.
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Time for ricky to retire.Should have one last fight in front of a sell out crowd in manchester has a farewell but unfortunately he has proven twice that when put into the ring with the very best hes just not good enough.Nothing left for ricky to fight for. he has shown that he can be a world champ and knock boys out for fun in the light-welterweight division but outside that he just aint good enough to beat the very best.
Pacman -mayweather would be the dream fight now.think pacman has the speed and power to take mayweathers 0, providing that mayweather wins on july 18 against Marquez.
then I'd have him as favourite against Pacquiao - great bigger man against great smaller man - no other reason.
Id make Pacquiao favourite, hes in peak form and destroyed his last two opponents who wre both bigger than him.
I would still fancy Mayweather providing he comes back in good shape which he probably will. Pacquiao is not particularly elusive. Even Hatton caught him a couple of times last night. Mayweather is just so fast and so slick that hitting him is like trying to drink soup with a fork. That said Pacman would still have a real chance.
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I would still fancy Mayweather providing he comes back in good shape which he probably will. Pacquiao is not particularly elusive. Even Hatton caught him a couple of times last night. Mayweather is just so fast and so slick that hitting him is like trying to drink soup with a fork. That said Pacman would still have a real chance.
It be interesting to see the speed of mayweather vs the speed of Pacquiao. On paper looking at their records you would say its a dream fight but the quick and counter attacking styles of both boxers mightn gel and the fight may become very tactical with both boxers waiting on the other to make the first move.
Id agree that Pacquiao isnt elusive but neither is mayweather, De la Hoya caught him on consistently with the Jab when they fought. i think last night Pacquiaos tactic was to show hatton a few openings, encouraging him to throw punch after punch and to revert back to his old raging bull style and then Pacquiao would just simply pick him off.
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I expected Hatton to be KO'd but shocked that it happened so early. He should be disappointed with himself, he failed to learn from previous mistakes and I can't imagine Mayweather sr et al told him to go out and fight the way he did.
I hope PBF beats Marquez to make the Pacman-Mayweather fight happen. Marquez is a great boxer too but I think the step-up in weight to fight PBF will be too much for him. Pacquaio-Mayweather would be a mouthwatering prospect, easily the biggest fight in boxing in at least a decade.
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DaUmpire, not sure what fight you were watching between DLH and Mayweather but GalwayBayBoy is right, Mayweather is about as elusive as they come. In some respects he is like James Toney in the way that he rolls the shoulders and takes a lot of shots on the arms, shoulders and gloves. Toney however tended to do that as he stood right in front of someone, whereas Mayweather tends to be constantly on his toes with great lateral movement - he very very rarely gets hit cleanly. When Pacman-Mayweather does happen, it will be Manny's constant power punches against Mayweather tending to pick his punches. If it goes to the judges then Pacman's all action constant motion style could swing it (I still don't see how one of the judges could score the DLH fight in favour of Oscar despite him being the busier fighter...) - I think Floyd will know exactly what he has to do it. Unless he is clearly picking Pacquiao off, he may have to KO him rather than let it go to the judges. As I said before, I think JMM can make things difficult for Floyd on his comeback but ultimately lacks the power/strength to stop Mayweather, whereas Manny will bring Floyd into the trenches like he has never experienced before
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CiKe, i was watchn the fight were De La Hoya was the aggressor throughout and he managed to get through Mayweather's defenses in the early rounds, Mayweather moved away and counterpunched without great effect. Mayweather has a great defence but i think if pacquiao and mayweather fight, pacquiao will prove he isnt as elusive as previously thought. Would agree that unless mayweather is landing clean, tidy and effective punches then he will have to KO pacquiao. If it goes to the judges, pacmans aggression and hard work will see him score well.
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Goes to show - you can put fodder in front of a man for so long but it'll harm them in the long run. Happened to Nasem, Khan, Hatton...though maybe without fighting dummies they wouldn't get where they did.
Who was the last class British/Irish fighter? Lewis doesn't count.
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Goes to show - you can put fodder in front of a man for so long but it'll harm them in the long run. Happened to Nasem, Khan, Hatton...though maybe without fighting dummies they wouldn't get where they did.
Who was the last class British/Irish fighter? Lewis doesn't count.
Not sure its really fair to say Hatton's been fighting dummies. Former undisputed light-Welterweight champion and a Welterweight world champions as well. Ok he was found a bit short at the very very highest level but still a class fighter surely.
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I cannot really equate Hatton and class.
Hard as nails determination to die for but always thought he was as wooden as any fighter at that level. But also thought the same about McGuigan.
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But also thought the same about McGuigan
Well that shows that really you shouldn't comment on something you don't know anything about!
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McGuigan was all pressure. He'd drive forward mixing head and body blows but was always predictable although his ferocity and guts made it difficult to anything about him. Wooden not the word but not what you'd call a stylish boxer. You disagree? You must be another annoyed rugby head.
Great work.
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there is no denying Hatton's ability at this level. The fact of the matter is that Manny is a different class of fighter. His training is top drawer stuff, his determination and unbreakable spirit is commendable and to top it all he is a humble and very likable little guy.
FMW does have that same lightning speed but he does not have the same power. He may be able to frustrate Manny but in the end I do see him getting caught and stopped for the first time.
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McGuigan was all pressure. He'd drive forward mixing head and body blows but was always predictable although his ferocity and guts made it difficult to anything about him. Wooden not the word but not what you'd call a stylish boxer. You disagree? You must be another annoyed rugby head.
Completely disagree. To describe McGuigan as not stylish is a joke and shows you haven't a clue about the game. I was in the stadium when the great Lazlo Papp came in to the ring and raised his hand as a 17 year old and described him as a great boxer and future champion and he was proved correct in his assessment. So think I'd take his opinion more seriously than yours.
Not an annoyed rugby head either just someone who knows what he's talking about and who knows a bullshitter when he sees one.
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Goes to show - you can put fodder in front of a man for so long but it'll harm them in the long run. Happened to Nasem, Khan, Hatton...though maybe without fighting dummies they wouldn't get where they did.
Who was the last class British/Irish fighter? Lewis doesn't count.
Not sure its really fair to say Hatton's been fighting dummies. Former undisputed light-Welterweight champion and a Welterweight world champions as well. Ok he was found a bit short at the very very highest level but still a class fighter surely.
Hatton was a very good fighter. His two losses have been against probably two fighters who were considered the pound for pound best in the world when he fought them so no shame in losing to genuine class like that. He's just short of their level but he's had a great career and has always looked to fight to best.
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I cannot really equate Hatton and class.
Hard as nails determination to die for but always thought he was as wooden as any fighter at that level. But also thought the same about McGuigan.
Define what you mean by class.
I think your getting stylish and class mixed up.Hatton mightn be the most stylish boxer, you could see that particularly agaisnt pacquiao and mayweather but to say he isnt a class boxer is a joke.Hes a 2 weight world champion,not every average boxer can do that.Hattons a world class boxer but just not on the same level as mayweather and pacquiao.
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McGuigan was all pressure. He'd drive forward mixing head and body blows but was always predictable although his ferocity and guts made it difficult to anything about him. Wooden not the word but not what you'd call a stylish boxer. You disagree? You must be another annoyed rugby head.
Completely disagree. To describe McGuigan as not stylish is a joke and shows you haven't a clue about the game.
Jaysus lad it's not a game. What gave you that idea for the love of God? You shouldn't resort to personal abuse too young man. It suggests you are a little insecure but that can be a cute thing too.
I see you still haven't really attempted to desribe why you think McGuigan was a stylish boxer. But keep it up anyways.
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I cannot really equate Hatton and class.
Hard as nails determination to die for but always thought he was as wooden as any fighter at that level. But also thought the same about McGuigan.
Define what you mean by class.
I think your getting stylish and class mixed up.Hatton mightn be the most stylish boxer, you could see that particularly agaisnt pacquiao and mayweather but to say he isnt a class boxer is a joke.Hes a 2 weight world champion,not every average boxer can do that.Hattons a world class boxer but just not on the same level as mayweather and pacquiao.
That's where i'd have a different opinion. You can say he's World Class in terms of the era he fought/fights in (Eubank was also a double champ/hefty no. of defences but world class?). He beat most of what was left in his divisions. However, true world class is what you saw in Mayweather and Pac. They can stand up in the annals of World Class fighters. A world class fighter is not pummelled in 2 rounds, after being mullered by Floyd. Hatton has limitations.
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Jaysus lad it's not a game. What gave you that idea for the love of God? You shouldn't resort to personal abuse too young man. It suggests you are a little insecure but that can be a cute thing too.
I see you still haven't really attempted to desribe why you think McGuigan was a stylish boxer. But keep it up anyways.
Game in the parlance of describing boxing as a sport. Personal abuse - take a look back at your post describing me as an annoyed rugby head before admonishing me though being called a young man is something I take as a compliment!! I haven't been called in a good few years.
In terms of the debate re McGuigan I said that I valued a triple gold medal Olympic winner's opinion of his "style" and boxing ability over yours. The fact that I saw him demolish a European champion when he was just 17,followed his career closely over the years and I might even know something about the sweet science means I'm very secure in myself and my opinions.
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A world class fighter is not pummelled in 2 rounds, after being mullered by Floyd. Hatton has limitations.
Every boxer has their limitations,even the best,you could write a list of who you think are world class boxers and every single one of them would have limitations,some more than others.
Id agree 100% that in order to consider a boxer to be one of the best and a world class talent then you have to compare them to great boxers of the best. IMO when i compare hatton to the best i believe hes a world class fighter.
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The big difference between Hatton and Eubank/Hamed/Calzaghe was that Hatton fought for proper world titles, never hid. The other 3 all hid behind the WBO title, which meant many easy defences. The odd time they'd unify when the right fighter/money came along, but then they'd always ditch the WBC/WBA/IBF version because there'd be too many strict conditions on who they could defend against. This strategy helped Eubank and Hamed become very wealthy, but IMO prevented Calzaghe attaining the legendary status he had the ability of attaining.
Hatton's an excellent fighter. For in and around his weight category, he's probably the best European of his generation. Fabulous wins in particular against Tzsyu and Castillo - two excellent fighters. But P4P the best in the world? No. He's clearly not up to the level of Mayweather and Pacman.
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Yea, and Pele said Beckham was the best player in the world a few years back whilst in England.
McGuigan was a good fighter, brave as any fighter to come out of here. But he defeated a tiring champion and only defended it twice I think. He also strategically avoided Nelson. McGuigan a stylish boxer - no!
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Yea, and Pele said Beckham was the best player in the world a few years back whilst in England.
McGuigan was a good fighter, brave as any fighter to come out of here. But he defeated a tiring champion and only defended it twice I think. He also strategically avoided Nelson. McGuigan a stylish boxer - no!
Hows this relevant?thought this was a boxing thread.
Like i said earlier,think your getting stylish and class mixed up
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Hatton's an excellent fighter. For in and around his weight category, he's probably the best European of his generation. Fabulous wins in particular against Tzsyu and Castillo - two excellent fighters. But P4P the best in the world? No. He's clearly not up to the level of Mayweather and Pacman.
Tzsyu was ageing, had hardly fought in a few years and had serious surgery a few times before it. Hatton wouldn't have counted against him in his prime. I think Tzsyu also struggled to make the weight.
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Yea, and Pele said Beckham was the best player in the world a few years back whilst in England.
McGuigan was a good fighter, brave as any fighter to come out of here. But he defeated a tiring champion and only defended it twice I think. He also strategically avoided Nelson. McGuigan a stylish boxer - no!
Hows this relevant?thought this was a boxing thread.
Like i said earlier,think your getting stylish and class mixed up
Refering to a poster basing their opinion on someone by what another boxer said.
A boxer can be labelled as world class because he's the best in the world at a time of mediocrity but to the discerning eye doesn't deserve that title when being compared to the top of the tree. Being a stylish boxer is a different matter completely and cannot be sugar-coated.
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Yea, and Pele said Beckham was the best player in the world a few years back whilst in England.
McGuigan was a good fighter, brave as any fighter to come out of here. But he defeated a tiring champion and only defended it twice I think. He also strategically avoided Nelson. McGuigan a stylish boxer - no!
Hows this relevant?thought this was a boxing thread.
Like i said earlier,think your getting stylish and class mixed up
Refering to a poster basing their opinion on someone by what another boxer said.
A boxer can be labelled as world class because he's the best in the world at a time of mediocrity but to the discerning eye doesn't deserve that title when being compared to the top of the tree. Being a stylish boxer is a different matter completely and cannot be sugar-coated.
Apologies mustn have seen that comment,as i stated earlier i believe hatton is a world class boxer after i compare him to the best of the past and present.
Think you believe that a stylish boxer is a world class one whereas another boxer who mighnt be as pretty to watch isnt even though he may have just as good a record.
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Hatton v Pacman on Sky Sports 1 now for anyone hasnt seen it, be quick though..........
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Over.
Good fight. Hard luck Ricky.
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Met Hatton on Monday night in Vegas - him and his entourage were out on the town and to be fair to him he was happy enough to have photos taken with those who actually recognised him - was in an Irish bar of all places too!
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Anyone for the Odyssey on Friday night for Rogans's fight?
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In 2 minds to go or not. Could be an expensive enough night. No sell out yet. Done a quick search on ticketmaster there and got 4 tickets at £44 and floor tickets at £155!
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What time will the Rogan fight be tonight? Who is he fighting and does the visitor have much hope?
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Programme on Sky Sports starts at 10pm and due to finish at 12. There is 3 or 4 undercard fights on before Rogan so can't see Sky showing them live. Rogan might be on around 10.30pm or 11pm im guessing.
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Rogan is 1/6 to win but reckons he is the underdog ??? ???
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Rogan is 1/6 to win but reckons he is the underdog ??? ???
He's an overweight taxi driver from the Springfield. He knows that.
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Rogan is 1/6 to win but reckons he is the underdog ??? ???
He's an overweight taxi driver from the Springfield. He knows that.
Now living in salubrious Crunlin i believe.
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Less people offer ya a random digging match up there.
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Less people offer ya a random digging match up there.
Met him in the Glenavy off licence shortly after the Harrison fight. Think he's actually living in Glenavy. McGeown's packed out tonight.
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I saw him outside Fuscos beside Casement the other day filling his big face with an ice cream, i hope he hasnt been following that regime the whole time.
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I'd say there'll be people acting out their own Rogie fight outside Dan Boyle's, The Fort and The Beehive around half 12. Probably be better viewing too.
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Met him outside The Codfather yesterday. He was eating a fish supper with his hands. Heard him say 'gwan in there an git me a nar one Squinter'.
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I'd say there'll be people acting out their own Rogie fight outside Dan Boyle's, The Fort and The Beehive around half 12. Probably be better viewing too.
I would say so, half of West Belfast is away to it. There will be more boxing outside the ring in the Odyssey than in it tonight i would say.
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I'd say there'll be people acting out their own Rogie fight outside Dan Boyle's, The Fort and The Beehive around half 12. Probably be better viewing too.
I would say so, half of West Belfast is away to it. There will be more boxing outside the ring in the Odyssey than in it tonight i would say.
Especially with half of West Belfast there and the English contingent given all the English boxers fighting tonight.
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I'd say there'll be people acting out their own Rogie fight outside Dan Boyle's, The Fort and The Beehive around half 12. Probably be better viewing too.
I would say so, half of West Belfast is away to it. There will be more boxing outside the ring in the Odyssey than in it tonight i would say.
Is the fa'r and bro'r in law away to this tonight Minder?
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I'd say there'll be people acting out their own Rogie fight outside Dan Boyle's, The Fort and The Beehive around half 12. Probably be better viewing too.
I would say so, half of West Belfast is away to it. There will be more boxing outside the ring in the Odyssey than in it tonight i would say.
Is the fa'r and bro'r in law away to this tonight Minder?
Aye there is a squad of them away as most of them know the big hallion.
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anyone know if i can get it on the radio or anything but sky cause am working and can't get home to see it
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Come on! Come on! Help me out - no Sky .... :(
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ANail will have a link.
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I take it those Brits won handy, all 1/200 shots.
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http://www.justin.tv/vip_pub/popout
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http://www.justin.tv/vip_pub/popout
Good link.
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Better than my bloody sky, this degale is getting a proper belfast welcome.
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Better than my bloody sky, this degale is getting a proper belfast welcome.
Are they booing him? He is a gobshite
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big time, all over
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Load of ballix.
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Jaysus I coulda bate thon buck.
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DeGale is a dick.
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FFS Breen, put a top on.
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DeGale is a dick.
He thinks he is f**king Sugar Ray Leonard.
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Good man Breen.
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seen a few rossa men in the crowd
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Who the f**k is stevie rock?
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Who's this glipe?
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Is that a f**king Mc Cooey Vanilla Ice?
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Is that a f**king Mc Cooey Vanilla Ice?
Like Jim Dougals son, remember that buck eejit?
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Glad you lads are in same boat. Thought I was old.
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It's Stevie from the Rock.
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jim rock? dublin boxer used to do the door in thompsons
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Wearing Aggies' shorts ffs. That's him bate.
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Is the belt a tribute to the bird from Hollyoaks who married Kian westlife?
Some atmosphere in fairness
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When do the brothers jump on?
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You just know rogie wants to grab him by both ear lugs and sink the head into him.
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Ronan Sexton has fast enough hands for a big lard.
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The worst thing he can do is try and box, which he is trying to do so far.
He can't box. He can fight.
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He doesent look like a 1/6 shot
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f**king Aggies' shorts.
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The worst thing he can do is try and box, which he is trying to do so far.
He can't box. He can fight.
Exactly. Breen has told him he can think. No thinking Rogan. Just blunder into him.
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hes f**king blowin leek
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The worst thing he can do is try and box, which he is trying to do so far.
He can't box. He can fight.
Exactly. Breen has told him he can think. No thinking Rogan. Just blunder into him.
You see him moving his head about two seconds after he has been hit.
Just fly at him like f**k.
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Watch Eamonn Magee doesent slip him a flick knife between rounds.......
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"Where's our Paddy?"
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Rossa crowd have turned on Rogan already, 'ye stupid feckin bollocks'
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Aldergrove w**ker.
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Has he any bairns?
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No no no. He is going about this the wrong way. Standing back and moving his head from side to side. Needs to move back to the Springfield.
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Has he any bairns?
Yes. That'd be Jodi.
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Rogan could wear him down but wouldn't need to lose any more rounds in case it goes the distance.
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Has he any bairns?
About half a dozen to various blades.
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He's changing her name to Baker though.
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We need the crowd singing Ole Ole Ole Ole Ole again.
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We need Stevie from the Rock.
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Tricky wee fcuker this.
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Yer man has every round. FFS Breen.
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Rogan 4/7 Sexton 5/4 with PP.
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It's like going for a 1-0 win away from home. Ronan Sex is running and picking the odd punch.
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'I want at im again'!
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Just knock his **** in!
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Don't turn it over!
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Out of puff to finish him
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Time to go into madness mode.
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Slice him.
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Balls. I need a piss.
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Holy f**k, he will need to finish him soon with that eye.
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Eye bad for Rogan. Needs to wade into him.
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Slice it ffs.
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he's beat out of sight. no new taxi now
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Looks like good night.
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Hold on Rogie!
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He may whistle for the brothers
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cut me man cut me
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Walk out, duck and land one on his chin.
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Rogan still favourite on PP, they must be banking on a knockout.
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To the point from Magee anyway
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Time for the psychologist to earn his dough. He needs to imagine he's outside the Glenowen at 2am and the lad has took his taxi.
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looks like they will throw in the hurl
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I think Magee told him to get "bogged in to him"
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Time to do it. Just swing like fcuk.
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Yes.
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What is he at?
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f**king hell
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Why didn't he knock him the fcuk out?
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This is class
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is he beat
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One dig would have done it...........fcuk me! Rossa discipline has ruined him here.
b**tard!
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b**tard!
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What happened law of the jungle?
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Stupid ****.
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Sexton looks embarressed, and he should! Rogan to win the inevitable rematch.
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Stupid big ****
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Always tell the doctor it is two fingers!!
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What the f**k was that?
Jesus Christ.
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He was bating the dung out of him with one eye.
Too honest for his own good, but a great man all the same.
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tell the doctor to f**k off. lack of big fight experience
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Was it a punch that caused the swelling?
Gutted for Rogan, too nice for his own good really. One more punch then and Sexton was away.
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Can you imagine Tyson having someone at his mercy like that? He would have chewed his balls off.
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He was bating the dung out of him with one eye.
Too honest for his own good, but a great man all the same.
I agree but if I'd have had a few quid on him, I'd knock the dung out of him.
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Did he stop because yer man had no gumshield or he thought the ref should stop it?
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Seamus Rea would have toul him to play on.
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Seamus Rea would have toul him to play on.
As would have the Norwegian ref.
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Did he stop because yer man had no gumshield or he thought the ref should stop it?
He stopped because yer man didn't know where he was.
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Did he stop because yer man had no gumshield or he thought the ref should stop it?
I thought Sextons crowd had threw the towel in.
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He was def looking at the ref to stop it, one more slap and that was it. There has to be a re-match after that. He is a hardy hoor that Rogie,
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Rogie looks about 55
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'Twas like a fecking Rocky fight.
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stayed off the drink and gambling tonight to!!!! looks like i'll have the drugs tonight (where is my harsh angel)
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I'm really disappointed.
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stayed off the drink and gambling tonight to!!!! looks like i'll have the drugs tonight (where is my harsh angel)
Obviously you're drunk already.
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Your harsh angel is in bed hoping you don't wreck the house.
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stayed off the drink and gambling tonight to!!!! looks like i'll have the drugs tonight (where is my harsh angel)
Obviously you're drunk already.
aye two drinks and i've spent the months rent on loose women and rogie
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I'm really disappointed.
He'll bate him next time, but you'd fear for Rogan against someone good. He'd stand there and take the blattering.
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Any interviews? The stream cut.
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he did look real nervous before the fight, fav didn't sit well with him.
seen my old club mate McCafferty ring side. good lad
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Ditch Breen. I'll be his manager. "You're shite but you're good at being shite".
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Unlucky for Rogan. Too nice for his own good. Lack of big fight experience showed, one more punch would have finished it. Sexton didn't know where he was at at all and wanted it over. I think his gum shield was on the ground but the ref told them to go on ahead, then he stopped later for the gum shield.
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Aye Rogan is better as the underdog, he is better when he can get the knees and elbows digging.
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What about Henry Coyle - did he win?
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Minder's in laws put out. Fair play.
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No got the dung beat out of him by Neil Sinclair in a very impressive display it must be said by Sinclair. Think it was stopped in the 3rd.
Frig. Watched him spar last week and thought he looked the business. Sean Grahams wouldn't take a bet on it - just as well, I was going to do a double with Rogan.
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Very strange fight. Why didn't Rogan just punch him when he was out on his feet? I'd say a strong gust of wind would have knocked Sexton over at that stage. He was on queer street. The ref really came to his aid around then. Gave Sexton a break to put his gumshield back in. Probably spat out on purpose.
Still I'm sure there will be an immediate rematch.
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No got the dung beat out of him by Neil Sinclair in a very impressive display it must be said by Sinclair. Think it was stopped in the 3rd.
Frig. Watched him spar last week and thought he looked the business. Sean Grahams wouldn't take a bet on it - just as well, I was going to do a double with Rogan.
Where is Neil Sincliar from? belfast is it/ If so what part? You fimiliar with him Donagh?
Why don't you come out and ask if he is a prod or not? ;)
I remember seeing the programme about Breen a while back and Sinclair was in it. Was big things expected of him a few years back but a few defeats set him back.
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think Neill is from Ballysillan rd area
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Did Kevin "sweet pea" O'Hara win on that card last night?
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Did Kevin "sweet pea" O'Hara win on that card last night?
Yes, he won on points, comfortable enough
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No got the dung beat out of him by Neil Sinclair in a very impressive display it must be said by Sinclair. Think it was stopped in the 3rd.
Frig. Watched him spar last week and thought he looked the business. Sean Grahams wouldn't take a bet on it - just as well, I was going to do a double with Rogan.
Henry had to lose a ridiculous amount of weight in the 2 weeks leading up to the fight and was fucked before it. If he carries on he needs to move up a weight where he is more comfortable. I was staying the Malone lodge and all Warrens boxers were there and the ringgirls.
Frankie Gavin got some reception compared to the other two english lads. There was some amount of scrapping in the crowd as well!
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the girls were only there in the evening, they must have hit the town after as there was no sign of them after the fight ( or maybe they went to bed early but i doubt it)! They had a few drinks on them beforehand. The tall blonde one was some bit of gear, i thought she would fall out of that top a few times!
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/foyle_and_west/8072308.stm
http://www.folkpark.com/whats_on/exhibitions/?article=1520
Looks like a great exhibition, runs until November so you have plenty of time people.
Fighting Irishmen: Celebrating Celtic Prizefighters 1820 to Present
29 May 2009 until 29 November 2009
‘Fighting Irishmen’ tells the story of Irish emigration through the sport of boxing. It is an eclectic collection of boxing related objects including robes, gloves, boxing bags, prints, photographs, paintings, films and other items. This exhibition offers a unique glimpse at the role prizefighting played in the history of Irish America.
In addition to names like John L. Sullivan, 'Gentleman' Jim Corbett, James 'Cinderella Man' Braddock, Gene Tunney, Jack Dempsey, Billy Conn and Gerry Cooney, the exhibition includes material on Muhammed Ali, who has Irish ancestry.
Irish actor Liam Neeson, himself a former fighter and Honorary Chair of the exhibition has stated; "Watching two great fighters, evenly matched, is, for me, one of the great visual poems you will ever see." There are selected memorabilia from Neeson's own boxing days on display in the exhibition. The story of Irish American boxing is also the story of Irish America itself. Back in earlier decades, as the Irish sought to find their feet, boxing was often a quick passport to a better life for those who had a talent for it. The Fighting Irishmen exhibition was organized by the Irish Arts Center in New York City under the direction of guest curator James J. Houlihan. Located in the heart of Manhattan's historic 'Hell's Kitchen' neighborhood, the Irish Arts Center is the pre-eminent organisation devoted to the promotion of Irish arts and culture in the United States. This exhibition has been supported, in part, by the New York State Council on the Arts, a public agency.
For more information on this exhibition visit:
Irish Arts Centre website, Fighting Irishmen
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Wrong decision imo.
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Wrong decision imo.
Just about to show it on Setenta sports 1 now at 1300hrs.
Good man, cheers.
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Dont know if it was the wrong decision could have went either way. Cotto dug deep despite the nasty cut, he was well on course up to that. Clottey didnt take advantage of the cut although he had a leg injury aswell. Cotto couldnt see the rights coming but Clottey failed to work on it, and what was he at in the last?? he hardly hit Cotto once which probably won it for Miguel.
How one of the refs scored it 116 -111 is beyond me ???
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Carl Frampton won his first pro fight in Liverpool on Friday night. fighting for Barry McGuigan now. great lad with great ability i hope he goes far
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http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2009/0620/ireland.html
Magnificent achievement by the boxing team/association. The IOC should have a look at the blueprint the IABA took and see where they can replicate it.
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Congratulations to Katie Taylor who won her second European Union title in a row recently. Again she defeated a boxer from the host nation in the final. This was her 35th win in a row which is remarkable for a 22 year old. Hopefully they will get the womens boxing to the Olympics in 2012 so she can win Gold and get the world wide credit her performances deserve.
Disappointed that Paul McCloskey is out of his fight with Soulymane M'Baye on Friday night because of a hand injury. Would have been a great test for Paul, one which I think he would have won, hopefully he gets another chance soon. He is a great talent but at 29 needs to be getting big fights now.
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Would anyone out there know of any training methods for boxing or have any contact details of anyone that i could get in contact with for a bita training? Doing a charity fight and would say i could be with a bita training for it! ;)
Any help at all would be grateful and thanks in advance!
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These guys might be able to help
http://www.whitecollarboxing.ie/ (http://www.whitecollarboxing.ie/)
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8130443.stm
Someone is going to have to pay for this once his Chair-ill gets involved.
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Would anyone out there know of any training methods for boxing or have any contact details of anyone that i could get in contact with for a bita training? Doing a charity fight and would say i could be with a bita training for it! ;)
Any help at all would be grateful and thanks in advance!
Where are you located? There are a lot of local clubs around that you can train with.
Get yourself a good pair of adidas boots and good hand raps and a good mouth guard for starters
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Interesting concept here, sort of a bigger version of Prize Fighter that is on Sky Sports. A few boys could make names for themselves in here.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/8137757.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/8137757.stm)
Froch signs for Super Six series
Carl Froch is to defend his WBC super-middlweight belt against Andre Dirrell in the first fight of a 'Super Six Boxing Classic' series of bouts.
Nottingham's Froch has signed up for the new concept along with Dirrell, Arthur Abraham, Jermain Taylor, Andre Ward and WBA champion Mikkel Kessler.
All six super-middleweight boxers have agreed to fight any - and possibly all - five other contestants.
Froch, 32, is set to fight Dirrell in his home city in October.
"The stars have truly aligned," said Ken Hershmann, the boss of American cable TV broadcaster Showtime Sports.
"It began as an intriguing concept, and through a tremendous amount of hard work on everyone's part, we are going to pull off one of the most exciting events in boxing history.
"The 168lb division is the most talent-rich in boxing right now, and the Super Six structure will deliver one compelling match-up after another."
The six boxers involved have a combined tally of 161-4-1 with 117 knockouts, with Froch's record standing at 25-0 (20 KOs).
IBF middleweight champion Abraham (30-0, 24 KOs), of Germany will move up to challenge at 168lb.
United States Olympic bronze medallist Dirrell has a record of 18-0 (13 KOs), and Denmark's Kessler is 41-1 (31 KOs), his sole defeat coming against Joe Calzaghe.
Former undisputed middleweight world champion Jermain Taylor is 28-3-1 (17 KOs), and US Olympic gold medallist and number one-ranked contender Ward is 19-0 (12 KOs).
In the first phase of the event, each fighter will face three different opponents over the next 12 months in a points-based competition. A win is worth two points, a draw one, with no points for a loss.
The four leading points scorers advance to the semi-finals, with the top-ranked facing the fourth, and second facing third.
The winners will meet in early 2011 for the inaugural Super Six World Boxing Classic trophy.
As well as Froch v Dirrell, the first group stage will also feature Taylor v Abraham, and Kessler v Ward - the latter for Kessler's WBA title.
Froch successfully defended his WBC title against Taylor last April in Connecticut with a dramatic stoppage 14 seconds from the final bell.
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good feed for the boxing
http://www.justin.tv/vip_boxing_4/popout
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khan is getting a fight now
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David Haye to fight WBA heavyweight champion Nikolai Valuev on November 7. Valuev is 23 stone and 7ft 2. Tall order for him giving away 7 stone and 9 inches.
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Bit of trash talk between Rogan and Sexton yesterday, might go to this fight, was anyone at the last one, or is it better to watch on telly to avoid 6k drunken spides?
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Bit of trash talk between Rogan and Sexton yesterday, might go to this fight, was anyone at the last one, or is it better to watch on telly to avoid 6k drunken spides?
My father in law went and said he wouldn't go again, he said the view was shit and you would see more watching it on the tv in the house.
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Bit of trash talk between Rogan and Sexton yesterday, might go to this fight, was anyone at the last one, or is it better to watch on telly to avoid 6k drunken spides?
My father in law went and said he wouldn't go again, he said the view was shit and you would see more watching it on the tv in the house.
Thought that, bag of cans and roaring at the TV then for me.
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Not a complete shocker that you get a better view on TV with the different camera angles than being there in the arena if your not in a premium seat.
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Anyone watching Sky Sports News?
Breaking news that Irish boxer Darren Sutherland has been found dead at his home.
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Seen on SS it is at 2am
Is this the actual fight or the time the programme starts at?
BTW, never drank my own p1ss before
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Seen on SS it is at 2am
Is this the actual fight or the time the programme starts at?
That would probably be the time the programme starts at FB, it will be on around 4-5 oclock in the morning our time!! Think its on Sky Box Office.
BTW, never drank my own p1ss before
Stop lying, it doesnt suit you!!
Na, its definitely on SS, not box office
Fcuk that, too late
Wouldnt consider the p1ss thing though
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I haven't drank my own piss b4 but i've made others drink mine straight from the source :D
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I haven't drank my own piss b4 but i've made others drink mine straight from the source :D
:D :D :D
Expect nothing less from you ye boy ye!!!
Might be worth watching for you illdecide, arent you doing a bit of boxing traning at the moment for a fight?
Correct sir, i am. And to tell you the truth i'm not that confident as they guy i'm fighting it like Hulk Hogan and he can box but i'll give it a lash anyway and see how it goes
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I haven't drank my own piss b4 but i've made others drink mine straight from the source :D
:D :D :D
Expect nothing less from you ye boy ye!!!
Might be worth watching for you illdecide, arent you doing a bit of boxing traning at the moment for a fight?
Correct sir, i am. And to tell you the truth i'm not that confident as they guy i'm fighting it like Hulk Hogan and he can box but i'll give it a lash anyway and see how it goes
:D :D
Get the excuses in beforehand illdecide
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Correct sir...i'll still knock him out no matter what size he is saan...I'm no Stan Laural myself ;) :D
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The fight on Saturday night depends on how the time off has effected Mayweather. If he comes back to what he was before the break then I have no doubt he will beat Marquez well on points or with a late stoppage. Juan Diaz was able to out score Marquez in is last fight before Marquez knocked him out in 9th or 10th so if Diaz can out score him Floyd of old will destroy him. However if Floyd has lost a little bit during his lay off then Marquez def has the tools to beat him allow question mark over how he will find the weight. I'm taking Mayweather to win an unanimous points decision.
I hear Rogans 'injury' was very convenient for him as ticket sales have been slow with a lot of loyal Breen/Magee supporters staying away after Rogans recent antics.
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Rogies new trainer is Paul McCullough. Think Rogie has 1 maybe 2 fights left in him at most so change of trainer will hardly have much effect to be honest. If you want to see the rematch Dirty you better get your ticket because you will not see it on TV as Paul McCloskey is fighting for the European title that night on Sky. Big opportunity for Paul and I hope he takes it to step up a level as allow he is a relative new comer he has not got time on his side and any defeat now would see his world title ambitions evaporate.
Whats Bulgaria like by the way was thinking of going for a week soon.
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Just bagged meself a ticket to the Mayweather fight on Saturday. $300 for the ticket hope the seat is good!
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What time are people expecting the fight to start at tonight? Sky's coverage astarts at 2am - would I be safe enough setting the alarm for 3 30am? Don't want to sit up all night as I'm for Dublin in the morning.
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What time are people expecting the fight to start at tonight? Sky's coverage astarts at 2am - would I be safe enough setting the alarm for 3 30am? Don't want to sit up all night as I'm for Dublin in the morning.
What time does sky's coverage end? I would say the fight won't start until around 4am.
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What time are people expecting the fight to start at tonight? Sky's coverage astarts at 2am - would I be safe enough setting the alarm for 3 30am? Don't want to sit up all night as I'm for Dublin in the morning.
What time does sky's coverage end? I would say the fight won't start until around 4am.
Its down to last till 5am.
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What time are people expecting the fight to start at tonight? Sky's coverage astarts at 2am - would I be safe enough setting the alarm for 3 30am? Don't want to sit up all night as I'm for Dublin in the morning.
What time does sky's coverage end? I would say the fight won't start until around 4am.
Its down to last till 5am.
Tacadoir - I'm in the same boat as you. Think I'll hit the hay shortly and get up at 3.30.
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Who won?
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Who won?
If you can't tell from the post above you don't deserve to be told.
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didnt read the post above so f**k off you t**ser
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didnt read the post above so f**k off you t**ser
You come in looking to know who won and don't think to read the post above at 5am? Smart, real smart. Nice personal abuse too, expect a ban to come your way big lad.
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You tell him Madge. It's not hard to read that post to see who won. Never bothered staying up to watch it but sky +ed it so will watch later.
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Thought the interview was at least as entertaining as the fight. Very very one sided. Going to bed and getting up again is defintely the way to go for these last night fights though.
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The boy is back, classy display as ever from Mayweather, very one sided.
Thought he let Marquez go the distance.
Not a happy chappy in the proceeding interview
Who won? :D
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Congratulations to Katie Taylor who won her fourth European Championship over the weekend winning 11-0 in the final and she never dropped a point in any of her three fights which is remarkable. Currently the greatest sportsperson we have in Ireland and one of the best of all time.
Mayweather to big and powerful for Marquez on Saturday night and think he would be to big for Manny as well. Mosley fight would be a better match-up but still think Mayweather will beat him. He is best pound for pound fighter no doubt, and best boxer I have seen live. Cant see anyone causing him to many problems in his weight division maybe Paul Williams but doubt it.
I was reading over weekend that Darren Sutherlands family has banned Frank Maloney and his trainer Brian Lawrence from the funeral over comments they made after his death. Very sad indeed.
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hi there; not a boxin guru like most of yous on here, but like watching the odd bout;
can i just say i never saw as big a tw@t as thon interviewer after the fight; interrupted mayweather continually;
no great fan of mayweather the person, but was v glad when he gave yer man what for;
rant over (mayweather some boxer by the way)
who won? :)
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hi there; not a boxin guru like most of yous on here, but like watching the odd bout;
can i just say i never saw as big a tw@t as thon interviewer after the fight; interrupted mayweather continually;
no great fan of mayweather the person, but was v glad when he gave yer man what for;
rant over (mayweather some boxer by the way)
who won? :)
Totally agree. An absolute knob. Floyd should've decked the smarmy git.
Didnt think size had too much affect on the result. Mayweather's speed and accuracy were the difference.
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Don't really watch a whole lot of boxing but enjoyed Mayweather the other night. He really has incredible speed and I've never seen someone as elusive. Made a really top class fighter look ordinary.
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Paul McCloskey will be fitting in Magherafelt on Nov 6th according to Derry Post.
Quality!
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Paul McCloskey will be fitting in Magherafelt on Nov 6th according to Derry Post.
Quality!
What is he "fitting", a kitchen?
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Paul McCloskey will be fitting in Magherafelt on Nov 6th according to Derry Post.
Quality!
What is he "fitting", a kitchen?
;D ;D
very good. slight typing error there, FIGHTING
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Is Bernard Dunne up against it tonight? His opponent is evens - surely a good bet?
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they very highly of him over here in Thailand and think he will be too quick and accurate for Dunne. They think is nothing but heart and that isn;t enough against Poon.
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What times the fight? I know coverage starts at 9.30 but when is the fight itself?
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Jimmy Magee on tyson fury: "...and he's white and that's important... ...that's not racist believe me."
:D :D
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Jimmy Magee on tyson fury: "...and he's white and that's important... ...that's not racist believe me."
:D :D
:D Not racist at all.
What times the fight? I know coverage starts at 9.30 but when is the fight itself?
His last fight didn't start to around 11pm so assuming will be the same again this time.
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Tyson Furey is some boy. English accent? Was fearing seeing his arse.
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What time is Bornard on at?
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Is that Dave "counterfeit" Boy Mc Auley with that wee w**ker Jimmy Magee?
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"deliver the milk and het to the next house" - good man jimmy.
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What happened there?
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What happened there?
He got his bollocks knocked in
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What happened there?
He got his bollocks knocked in
I flicked over to match of the day and turned back over and the fight is all over. Just seen the first punch there now and it was a hell of a punch.
Jimmy Magee is devastated.
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Sad to see. Great first 2 rounds and couldn't recover after 1st knockdown.
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Cracking left hook to start it off. Dunne never saw it coming. A tonne at evs - buying money! ;D
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Bernard is a better challenger than champion.
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thought his corner maybe should have threw in the towel just before the third knock down, he looked like he didn't know where he was at that point. he didn't look well at all when he was eventually counted out. seems to be ok now.
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Not sure I could have listened to Jimmy Magee for 12 rds
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Some co-commentator is Dave Boy. About the only one watching who didn t see the first punch
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Simply not, and never was, world class.
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Devastating to see, though he looked good in the first round. What age is Dunne?
29.
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Dunne is a very likeable character but he has a glass jaw and he's always liable to get caught like that against a class fighter.
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Dunne is a very likeable character but he has a glass jaw and he's always liable to get caught like that against a class fighter.
Unfortunately yes. He's actually done very well to even win a world title with that chin of his. Realistically he has no KO power and any half decent dig is likely to send him to the canvas. Martinez clocked him, Poonswat clocked him and Cordoba decked him more than once. No punch resistance at all and if you have no punch power you better be able to take a shot.
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Dunne is a very likeable character but he has a glass jaw and he's always liable to get caught like that against a class fighter.
Unfortunately yes. He's actually done very well to even win a world title with that chin of his. Realistically he has no KO power and any half decent dig is likely to send him to the canvas. Martinez clocked him, Poonswat clocked him and Cordoba decked him more than once. No punch resistance at all and if you have no punch power you better be able to take a shot.
Still was a world champion and no-one can take that away from him. Looks like he struggled to make the weight to me. Knew from watching the 2 fighters walk into the ring he was up against it. The muscle definition on the Thai boxer was a different level. Bernard looks too skinny- really should be a featherweight- struggling to make weights blunts your power- and he hasn't a huge amount of that anyway.
Thai boxer is one of the best I've ever seen. 39 fights- 38 wins- 29 by knockout- you won't find a better record anywhere in the world
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How did Stevie Haughian do?
edit to say its ok, Paddy Power have results up, anyone know how the Haughian fight went apart from the result?
Bernard Dunne v Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym
Result: Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym
Tyson Fury v Tomas Mrazek
Result: Tyson Fury
Jamie Power v Michael Sweeney
Result: Michael Sweeney
Stephen Haughian v Albert Starikov
Result: Draw
Patrick Hyland v David Kiilu
Result: Patrick Hyland
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Dunne is a very likeable character but he has a glass jaw and he's always liable to get caught like that against a class fighter.
Unfortunately yes. He's actually done very well to even win a world title with that chin of his. Realistically he has no KO power and any half decent dig is likely to send him to the canvas. Martinez clocked him, Poonswat clocked him and Cordoba decked him more than once. No punch resistance at all and if you have no punch power you better be able to take a shot.
Still was a world champion and no-one can take that away from him. Looks like he struggled to make the weight to me. Knew from watching the 2 fighters walk into the ring he was up against it. The muscle definition on the Thai boxer was a different level. Bernard looks too skinny- really should be a featherweight- struggling to make weights blunts your power- and he hasn't a huge amount of that anyway.
Thai boxer is one of the best I've ever seen. 39 fights- 38 wins- 29 by knockout- you won't find a better record anywhere in the world
Poonsawat does look good, but if he is to be the true no1 in the super-bantamweight division, he has some extremely tough opposition such as Vazquez, Marquez, Caballero and Juan Manuel Lopez. Bernard Dunne is not at that level and has done exceptionally well to even gain a portion of the WBA title (Caballero is the "super" champion").
I couldn't believe how Dave McAuley couldn't see that first punch, that was the finisher, as Dunne looked fecked after that, he actually did well to last a bit longer. Dunne said he shouldn't have got drawn into Poonsawat's fight but he had no choice, he was being walked down, he didn't have enough power to keep him off. He'll struggle to come back from this, but he has done exceptionally well to get where he was, no Irish fighter since Steve Collins has been at this level.
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Disapointing result last night.
Question for yee, i know what glass jaw means and all that, but why can some fellas take hits and others not? Just doesnt make any sense to me as bone structure and human frailities are all the same? Look at khan everyone said he a glass after getting KOd and then he comes back better and able to take hits....
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Disapointing result last night.
Question for yee, i know what glass jaw means and all that, but why can some fellas take hits and others not? Just doesnt make any sense to me as bone structure and human frailities are all the same? Look at khan everyone said he a glass after getting KOd and then he comes back better and able to take hits....
You either have it or you don't.
Khan has come back smarter and his defence has improved, but if he gets hit like he did against Prescott again then he'd get ko'd.
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Dunne is a very likeable character but he has a glass jaw and he's always liable to get caught like that against a class fighter.
Unfortunately yes. He's actually done very well to even win a world title with that chin of his. Realistically he has no KO power and any half decent dig is likely to send him to the canvas. Martinez clocked him, Poonswat clocked him and Cordoba decked him more than once. No punch resistance at all and if you have no punch power you better be able to take a shot.
Still was a world champion and no-one can take that away from him. Looks like he struggled to make the weight to me. Knew from watching the 2 fighters walk into the ring he was up against it. The muscle definition on the Thai boxer was a different level. Bernard looks too skinny- really should be a featherweight- struggling to make weights blunts your power- and he hasn't a huge amount of that anyway.
Thai boxer is one of the best I've ever seen. 39 fights- 38 wins- 29 by knockout- you won't find a better record anywhere in the world
If Bernard was struggled to make the weight then he's in even bigger trouble than he was last night. He wouldn't have a chance against any of the top featherweights like Chris John or de Leon.
You've seen him in one fight and declare him as one of the best you've ever seen? Bold statement.
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He was good but you really only seen about 3 mins of him really boxing in the fight....Dunne is average to say the best about him. The only reason he beat Cordoba was because it was in the o2 the same day as Ireland won the grand slam with a big passionate home crowd. Cordoba had him on his arse twice and should have finished it off.
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Dunne is a very likeable character but he has a glass jaw and he's always liable to get caught like that against a class fighter.
Unfortunately yes. He's actually done very well to even win a world title with that chin of his. Realistically he has no KO power and any half decent dig is likely to send him to the canvas. Martinez clocked him, Poonswat clocked him and Cordoba decked him more than once. No punch resistance at all and if you have no punch power you better be able to take a shot.
Still was a world champion and no-one can take that away from him. Looks like he struggled to make the weight to me. Knew from watching the 2 fighters walk into the ring he was up against it. The muscle definition on the Thai boxer was a different level. Bernard looks too skinny- really should be a featherweight- struggling to make weights blunts your power- and he hasn't a huge amount of that anyway.
Thai boxer is one of the best I've ever seen. 39 fights- 38 wins- 29 by knockout- you won't find a better record anywhere in the world
If Bernard was struggled to make the weight then he's in even bigger trouble than he was last night. He wouldn't have a chance against any of the top featherweights like Chris John or de Leon.
You've seen him in one fight and declare him as one of the best you've ever seen? Bold statement.
I've seen him in 3 fights- they are all online- readily available for anyone to see. Marquez and Co won't be queueing up to fight this guy. Some of them have avoided him. He has incredible punching power for an 8st 9lbs fighter.
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Dunne is a very likeable character but he has a glass jaw and he's always liable to get caught like that against a class fighter.
Unfortunately yes. He's actually done very well to even win a world title with that chin of his. Realistically he has no KO power and any half decent dig is likely to send him to the canvas. Martinez clocked him, Poonswat clocked him and Cordoba decked him more than once. No punch resistance at all and if you have no punch power you better be able to take a shot.
Still was a world champion and no-one can take that away from him. Looks like he struggled to make the weight to me. Knew from watching the 2 fighters walk into the ring he was up against it. The muscle definition on the Thai boxer was a different level. Bernard looks too skinny- really should be a featherweight- struggling to make weights blunts your power- and he hasn't a huge amount of that anyway.
Thai boxer is one of the best I've ever seen. 39 fights- 38 wins- 29 by knockout- you won't find a better record anywhere in the world
If Bernard was struggled to make the weight then he's in even bigger trouble than he was last night. He wouldn't have a chance against any of the top featherweights like Chris John or de Leon.
You've seen him in one fight and declare him as one of the best you've ever seen? Bold statement.
Hence the reason why he's a super bantamweight. I agree he wouldn't have a chance as a featherweight but nevertheless to me that looks like his proper weight. I was there last night and the difference between the 2 fighters in terms of pure muscle was incredible. Dunne nearly looked over-trained. The lower weight divisions in my view are the hardest of all. The Mexican's , latin americans, thai boxers all had to fight from a young age just to get breakfast in the morning. Transfer that to a boxing ring and there is only one winner in my view.
Dunne would need to beat the mandatory challenger in one of the divisions to get a shot again. 2 years at least- not sure he should put himself through that again. Corboda was 2 rounds up when Dunne knocked him out. People have tended to gloss over that.
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I like Dunne and I don't wish to rein on his achievements but he was never really a proper world champion. He was the runner-up WBA champion after their ridiculous policy of promoting Caballero to "super-champion" involving him vacating the belt. Super-bantam is the best division there is at the moment, and Dunne would probably just about be in the top 10 fighters in it. He never had a hope in hells chance of beating the Thai.
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Some co-commentator is Dave Boy. About the only one watching who didn t see the first punch
Dave Boy's an awful shite analyst.
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Agree totally. Dave Boy didn't see the first two punches that floored Dunne. What were RTE paying him for? The silence from Magee etc after he hit the canvas was deafening. Outclassed totally - and now Peters is talking about a comeback! Brian - that cash cow has been milked! Retire with what dignity please. Please don't think that Tyson Fury will pack out the O2 . The game is up!
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"I didn't see a punch there". What fight was he watching? The digs were as clear as day. I think he thought yer man was using the head as he commented on how close yer boy's head was to Dunne's.
Here's another one for you boxing heads......"Dunne is a far better boxer than yer boy but got dragged into a fight". I thought yer man was the better boxer. Picked his punches well and when he hit, he hurt Dunne.
I don't think Dunne is as good as he has been made out to be.
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"I didn't see a punch there". What fight was he watching? The digs were as clear as day. I think he thought yer man was using the head as he commented on how close yer boy's head was to Dunne's.
Here's another one for you boxing heads......"Dunne is a far better boxer than yer boy but got dragged into a fight". I thought yer man was the better boxer. Picked his punches well and when he hit, he hurt Dunne.
I don't think Dunne is as good as he has been made out to be.
Nobody ever said he was that good. But he was still a world champion- most boxers never get that far. And regardless of what his detractors say-that can't be taken away from him.
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Dunne outboxed him in the first round, but the Thai figured him out by the 2nd and looked clearly the better fighter.
Dunne is probably the best in Europe at his weight, so he is damn good. But not in the same class as the very top men in the world. He was a bit lucky to get his title shot, but when he did he had the guts and determination, along with some talent, to take it. And as Indiana said, nobody can ever take that away from him.
He's a good lad too, gave a very good speech there at the end. Good luck to him.
Katie Taylor got some reception when announced to the crowd before the fight. A standing ovation for about 5 minutes. Fantastic.
Gerry Ryan on the other hand got absolutely slaughtered. Hilarious!
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http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2009/0928/1224255368402.html (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2009/0928/1224255368402.html)
Humphries thoughts on it - Fairly spot on
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Dunne just cannot take a punch of any force which in his line of business is pretty unfortunate. TBH fair f**ks to him for going for the main challenger in the weight division though as most would have been happy to fight a few lower ranked fighters and pick up the cheque, in hindsight he should have done that too as he can not come back from this. Totally outclassed by a technically superior opponent.
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http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2009/0928/1224255368402.html (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2009/0928/1224255368402.html)
Humphries thoughts on it - Fairly spot on
i think the reaction to his pounding is a bit over the top. he has a year or 2 left in him IF he wants it.
Its clear he doesnt have the stuff for the elite but there would be nothing wrong with a last fight or 2 against worthy opposition for some kind of title.
Poonsawat is in the top 3/4 of the strongest division in boxing, no other current irish boxer has come close to fighting at that level. dunne got destroyed, but by one of the very best
One last farewell pay day for bernard against a middling opponent would be no bad thing for him
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http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2009/0928/1224255368402.html (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2009/0928/1224255368402.html)
Humphries thoughts on it - Fairly spot on
i think the reaction to his pounding is a bit over the top. he has a year or 2 left in him IF he wants it.
Its clear he doesnt have the stuff for the elite but there would be nothing wrong with a last fight or 2 against worthy opposition for some kind of title.
Poonsawat is in the top 3/4 of the strongest division in boxing, no other current irish boxer has come close to fighting at that level. dunne got destroyed, but by one of the very best
One last farewell pay day for bernard against a middling opponent would be no bad thing for him
Who would pay to watch that though? I think the Dunne brand is now well and truly done!
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http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2009/0928/1224255368402.html (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2009/0928/1224255368402.html)
Humphries thoughts on it - Fairly spot on
i think the reaction to his pounding is a bit over the top. he has a year or 2 left in him IF he wants it.
Its clear he doesnt have the stuff for the elite but there would be nothing wrong with a last fight or 2 against worthy opposition for some kind of title.
Poonsawat is in the top 3/4 of the strongest division in boxing, no other current irish boxer has come close to fighting at that level. dunne got destroyed, but by one of the very best
One last farewell pay day for bernard against a middling opponent would be no bad thing for him
Who would pay to watch that though? I think the Dunne brand is now well and truly done!
Sold as a farewell fight could get the fans out to some degree and fighting someone irish/british like rendall munroe could draw their fans as well. a good undercard would help (paul mccloskey?)
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Dunne outboxed him in the first round
Don't think that's the case. I think he was quite happy to just walk through Dunne's jab in the first round to properly gauge his (lack of) power. He knew that once he got inside he had him and that Dunne's jab wasn't going to be enough to stop him.
Dunne is probably the best in Europe at his weight
I'd dispute that too. Rendall Munroe has beaten Martinez twice and I'd comfortably put money on him to take Dunne.
Gerry Ryan practically rode Dunne on air this morning. "He's lifted all our spirits in such times" or some other shite to similar effect.
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Agree totally. Dave Boy didn't see the first two punches that floored Dunne. What were RTE paying him for? The silence from Magee etc after he hit the canvas was deafening. Outclassed totally - and now Peters is talking about a comeback! Brian - that cash cow has been milked! Retire with what dignity please. Please don't think that Tyson Fury will pack out the O2. The game is up!
Tyson Fury punching himself in the face: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdFP-R_LYSM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdFP-R_LYSM)
:D :D
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I don't understand why no one else has asked this - especially after all the hype about the training Dunne did and the weights he lifts how he can train every day lifting weights and so on and so on and -
1 - Look emancipated, starved and skinny at a weigh-in - Compared to a Thai guy who looks like a brick shit house
2 - Have no power in his punch????
Am I missing something?
Lord save me if he's supposed to be getting stronger surely he could have some power in his punch?
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Why the big love in with dunne? Anytime i saw him being interviewed he comes across as very arrogant and annoying
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I met him in passing once in Croke Park and instead of walking on he stopped and discussed the game for a few minutes. Found him to be a sound lad and very down to earth. Couldn't say a bad word about him.
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Why the big love in with dunne? Anytime i saw him being interviewed he comes across as very arrogant and annoying
Yeah right - Great lad and as down to earth and normal a guy as you could have the pleasure of meeting
Dunne's smile is back as fans say he's still a champ
By Fergus Black
Wednesday September 30 2009
THE narrow white strip covering a cut over his left eye was the only visible sign of his devastating defeat.
Looking fit and remarkably relaxed, it was hard to imagine that just three days previously Bernard Dunne's six-month reign as world bantamweight champion had come to such a dramatic end at the hands of a Thai fighter.
Shaking off that bitter disappointment, the 29-year-old boxer was given what he later described as an "amazing" reception when he braved the spotlight in City Hall yesterday to join athletes in announcing Dublin as next year's European Capital of Sport.
And he quickly showed some fancy footwork in dodging the awkward questions about his plans for the future. "I know you boys are dying to ask me questions," a smiling Dunne told journalists hoping for some inkling of his future plans. "You're being very kind and it's nice to see you being that way.
"We all know what happened on Saturday evening but today is about promoting Dublin city and I'm a true blue at heart so I wanted to be a part of it."
Earlier, while posing for photos, the boxer mentioned to Dublin's Lord Mayor Emer Costello that he would take a break. "You will come back," she assured him. "You are still a champion, no matter what."
In one of only a few references to his bruising fight, Dunne admitted that it had been a tough and emotional decision to attend yesterday's announcement along with the Lord Mayor, boxing sensation Katie Taylor, athlete David Gillick and a host of other sports figures.
"I suppose after Saturday one of the last places I would have expected to be would be in City Hall," he told the huge crowd that had gathered for yesterday's announcement. "But this is about promoting Dublin as a brand. Being the true-blue Dub that I am there was no way I was going to miss this. It's an honour to represent my county. I'll never get to do it in a blue jersey but at least I get to do it here today."
And he made an impassioned plea to the Government to continue investing in sport. "Sport is the one thing to put a smile on your face even in these difficult times and the Government needs to support and nurture young talent.
"Let's continue to give our kids the chance to be the next Katie Taylor or David Gillick or maybe they still want to be the next Bernard Dunne, you never know," he said.
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I don't understand why no one else has asked this - especially after all the hype about the training Dunne did and the weights he lifts how he can train every day lifting weights and so on and so on and -
1 - Look emancipated, starved and skinny at a weigh-in - Compared to a Thai guy who looks like a brick shit house
2 - Have no power in his punch????
Am I missing something?
Lord save me if he's supposed to be getting stronger surely he could have some power in his punch?
I didn't realise Dunne had been bound into slavery. Makes his achievements in the ring even more special.
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Any word on Duddy fight? Any links online?
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Middleweight John Duddy (27-1, 17 KOs) returned to the win column with an eight round unanimous decision over Jorge Munoz (21-4, 13 KOs). Scores were 80-73 and 79-73 twice. Duddy had a bloodied nose early on in the fight. There were no knockdowns.
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Anyone see the super six fights on sat night, abraham looked the biz, albeit in his own back yard. he knocked taylor spark out, cant see him fighting again. carl froch couldnt get near dirrell but direll wouldnt get involved in a scrap at all. cant see kessler worrying about any of them. ???
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Just caught the end of Ryan Rhodes stopping Moore there. Serious tear up.
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Which fight is everyone goin to the weekend??? McCloskey or Rogan fight????
Think Roggie will get beat i hope dudey will walk it!!! Hopefully then there will some party in Dungiven
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for rogie myself would have liked to go to both but its not quite possible just yet....
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Which fight is everyone goin to the weekend??? McCloskey or Rogan fight????
Think Roggie will get beat i hope dudey will walk it!!! Hopefully then there will some party in Dungiven
for the McCloskey fight. anyone know if there will be 'liquid' refreshments @ the leisure centre?
thanks
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Do Sky stream their fights? Will these two be streamed tonight?
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Which fight is everyone goin to the weekend??? McCloskey or Rogan fight????
Think Roggie will get beat i hope dudey will walk it!!! Hopefully then there will some party in Dungiven
for the McCloskey fight. anyone know if there will be 'liquid' refreshments @ the leisure centre?
thanks
someone on the derry mentioned there was a big beer garden-id imagine itll be hit hard!Do Sky stream their fights? Will these two be streamed tonight?
yeah both fights are being shown on sky sports 1. think mccloskey at 10 then rogan at 11
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If you have Sky Sports subscription and broadband from Sky you can watch it on Sky Player.
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Lads, what about the betting this weekends boxing feast, some good odds looking at Sky Sports website. I fancy it like this is truth be told:
Valuev to win in rounds 1-12 = 9/2
-Sexton 9/4 to win (ridiculous price, Rogie is 1/3 who LOST the last time, Sexton completely out-boxed him but got caught with one punch that nearly KO'ed him, still the better boxer and will be more weary this time)
-McCloskey 1/10 (cert, no money in it, maybe to him to stop your man, you get better odds)
Thoughts / comments??
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I think Rogie can win. If he is to win it won't go the distance. He'll come out all guns blazing as his power caused Sexton bother the last time when Rogan decided to fight. Though them odds on Sexton could be too good to turn down saying as he did out box him the last time.
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I think Rogie can win. If he is to win it won't go the distance. He'll come out all guns blazing as his power caused Sexton bother the last time when Rogan decided to fight. Though them odds on Sexton could be too good to turn down saying as he did out box him the last time.
Id love to see Rogie win but Sexton is a hell of a tasty price if you ask me. there is no denying he is the classier boxer. He may be a wee bit smarter this time in his approach to Rogie and with all the training camp changes in Rogie and the fact the fight is a month later than 1st expected, it could be tough for him.
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Valuev weighed in there exactly 7 stone heavier than Haye!!
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I think Rogie can win. If he is to win it won't go the distance. He'll come out all guns blazing as his power caused Sexton bother the last time when Rogan decided to fight. Though them odds on Sexton could be too good to turn down saying as he did out box him the last time.
Id love to see Rogie win but Sexton is a hell of a tasty price if you ask me. there is no denying he is the classier boxer. He may be a wee bit smarter this time in his approach to Rogie and with all the training camp changes in Rogie and the fact the fight is a month later than 1st expected, it could be tough for him.
Both boxers will have improved. I read today that Rogan has said he's boxing better since he got the trapped nerve in his shoulder sorted. Also, Rogan won't be as stupid again and will box better tactically than the last fight. Should be a tasty fight though!
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That's the thing though, Rogan has very little "boxing" in him, he is a brawler and if that doesent work he doesent really have a Plan B.
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Rogan 2/5 Sexton 7/4
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I really can't see how Haye can beat Valuev. He's just too big and not a complete mug.
Can anyone confirm the time of the Rogan fight?
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I really can't see how Haye can beat Valuev. He's just too big and not a complete mug.
Can anyone confirm the time of the Rogan fight?
Rogie for 2300hrs Seanie. McCloskey 2200hrs Sky Sports 1. Be there.
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Cant believe David Haye is 4/6 favourite on Paddy Power for this fight with Valuev at 11/10! Valuev is a fairly decent champion with alot of advantages over Haye! May have a little punt on the big man knocking Haye out!!
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Cant believe David Haye is 4/6 favourite on Paddy Power for this fight with Valuev at 11/10! Valuev is a fairly decent champion with alot of advantages over Haye! May have a little punt on the big man knocking Haye out!!
On Sky bet he is 9/2 to win inside 12 rounds!!!!!!!!! Ive bet on him myself.
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Cant believe David Haye is 4/6 favourite on Paddy Power for this fight with Valuev at 11/10! Valuev is a fairly decent champion with alot of advantages over Haye! May have a little punt on the big man knocking Haye out!!
On Sky bet he is 9/2 to win inside 12 rounds!!!!!!!!! Ive bet on him myself.
Valuev is 9/2 to win inside 12 rounds??? Feck me thats sum odds bearing in mind the dodgy chin of Haye! May have a bit of that myself!! Cheers for the tip!!
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Sorry benny 9/4 to win inside 12, still good enough like.
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Sorry benny 9/4 to win inside 12, still good enough like.
;D just noticed that!! Still decent enough alright!!
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Come on Cluckers!
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http://www.justin.tv/sport_for_free/popout
password 123
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is the Rogan fight on after?
i take it it wont be shown live?
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"Thunderous atmosphere in Mackerafelt".
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"Thunderous atmosphere in Mackerafelt".
Tis wile sur.
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Free breakdown cover from Churchill is hard to whack.
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Mickey Harte...Martin McGuinness.
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Very one-sided.
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"Thunderous atmosphere in Mackerafelt".
you know what side his bread is buttered on!
Do you?
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Mickey Harte...Martin McGuinness.
Anyone spotted Brolly yet? Either one
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Was Mickey's prodigy on the undercard?
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This buck is a dungbag.
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This buck is a dungbag.
Yep - gimp.
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Wishthat guy would take that poppy off !!
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This buck is a dungbag.
Yep - gimp.
"Bate me quick. I hear there's some talent in Dorman's"
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if it keeps stopping is there anything you can download to increase the bandwidth?
Buy Sky you stoke!!!!!
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This buck is a dungbag.
To be honest, I forget who I was talking about.
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its workiing OK for me
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its workiing OK for me
Cappo b**tard.
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its workiing OK for me
Cappo b**tard.
Whats a Cappo HS?
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Bit disappointed McCloskey didn't kill this.
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Thought you were from Belfast.
McCloskey is crap. Next fight please.......
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Fan of McCloskey but less convinced tonight.
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At last indeed. McCloskey isn't worth a fcuk.
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Thought you were from Belfast.
McCloskey is crap. Next fight please.......
I am, but cant remember ever being called a Cappo, is it a Capitalist?
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Fan of McCloskey but less convinced tonight.
Piss taking????
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Who needs that Mickey Harte,
He makes that sicky mart,
Lets Hurl a bricky Harte,
The Mickey Harte is really.........D'oh.
Any other celeb's spooted at the McCloskey fight bar Mickey?
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Fan of McCloskey but less convinced tonight.
Piss taking????
Not in the slightest. This fella he was facing had zilch. If McCloskey had anything near world class, it wouldn't have seen 5 rounds.
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Fan of McCloskey but less convinced tonight.
Piss taking????
Not in the slightest. This fella he was facing had zilch. If McCloskey had anything near world class, it wouldn't have seen 5 rounds.
All about getting the belt tonight, wouldnt worry too much about the performance. Love to see him now get a fight against a big name, ie Khan to name but one.
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Fan of McCloskey but less convinced tonight.
Piss taking????
Not in the slightest. This fella he was facing had zilch. If McCloskey had anything near world class, it wouldn't have seen 5 rounds.
I agree. McCloskey was facing a complete dungbag and made hard work of it. He really doesn't cut it.
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Right, bring on Rogan. This is pure shit boxing but it's deadly craic.
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Right, bring on Rogan. This is pure shit boxing but it's deadly craic.
ROGIE
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Lets booo the f**k out of him!!
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Money seems to be coming in for Sexton.
Deadly craic alright.
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Booooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Let's go Marty.
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He'd prob need to take him out in 1-2 rounds.
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Come on Rogie!!!! Just watched press conference on you tube, deadly craic alright!!
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Where did these odds come from? Sexton boxed the head off him in all rounds but one, last time.
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Where did these odds come from? Sexton boxed the head off him in all rounds but one, last time.
Money for Sexton, 6/4 with Ladbrokes. Was 9/4 earlier today.
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If the stupid big hoor gets a chance to put Sexton's lights out tonight hopefully he takes it this time!
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Sexton to take him in 4th!!
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Let's hope Rogie doesn't try to box.
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Personally, Sexton in 6th.
Get in there Rogie - do it for Glenavy Garden Centre.
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Sexton has this tied up early on.
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Sexton 10
Rogan 9
I must stress this is an unofficial scorecard from me.
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He mightnt see the 4th...
Part time actor! Did that big tube do a porno or somethin?
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He mightnt see the 4th...
Part time actor! Did that big tube do a porno or somethin?
Did local films.
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Always afeared with a cut with Rogan. Pure bull.
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He'd be better at UFC.
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He'd be better at UFC.
He would be better bouncing in Caffreys
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u mean KFC?
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It's a knock-out now. Rogan needs to catch him. Rogan's tiring, 4 rounds on the front foot.
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Sexy boy very comfortable
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I dunno if either of them have 12 runds in them. Sexton could be going great then he will be wobbling like f**k.
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Wee hope there. Sexton is vulnerable too. One punch Rogie now.
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Come on Marty!
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Sexton lookin bit flaky Cmon to f**k Rogie
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That **** Sexton doin some holdin..
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Go on Rogan!! Needs to finish him!! Ah feck he's cut!!
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One punch Rogie.
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Go on te fcuk.
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Go on Rogan!! Needs to finish him!! Ah feck he's cut!!
Silly cut. Shouldn't worry him.
Rogan going well.
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Anyone that chants "Ole, Ole" should be ejected
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Needs the bell
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Gone........
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Sexton is fcuked too otherwise he would have him finished
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WTF?
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Taxi for Rogan
All over
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Lapper.
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Legs had gone.. He needed the early knock out!!
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Over, Rogie pulled out.
Heart of a lion Rogie, took some serious shots but still came forward.
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The Rossa men always lay down
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To the Brits.
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Anyone that chants "Ole, Ole" should be ejected
I couldn't agree more! Hard luck Rogan!
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They have it down as an arm injury. Fair result.
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He has to give it up now. Was never a boxer anyway.
Will be involved in a digging match near you, very soon.
BTW, fcuk all wrong with his arm.
Hard luck.
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f**k sake Rogie at least be magnanimous
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He has to give it up now. Was never a boxer anyway.
Will be involved in a digging match near you, very soon.
BTW, fcuk all wrong with his arm.
Hard luck.
Missed his chance in first fight. He'll regret not emptying him then when he had him.
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Look - he was on borrowed time after 5 rounds. All that 'crowd noise' was misleading - he was not landing, nor hurting Sexton. A half-decent young 'un, will always beat a journeyman with limited skill. End of. Rogie though should keep his sights set on a British title - the 'lucky-punch' syndrome will always give him a fighters' chance ..
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Straining to do some explaining!!!!!!!!
Still, ill give rogie plenty of credit, the man just fights, not classy but f**k his fights are exciting.
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He has to give it up now. Was never a boxer anyway.
Will be involved in a digging match near you, very soon.
BTW, fcuk all wrong with his arm.
Hard luck.
Missed his chance in first fight. He'll regret not emptying him then when he had him.
Correct.
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Look - he was on borrowed time after 5 rounds. All that 'crowd noise' was misleading - he was not landing, nor hurting Sexton. A half-decent young 'un, will always beat a journeyman with limited skill. End of. Rogie though should keep his sights set on a British title - the 'lucky-punch' syndrome will always give him a fighters' chance ..
Bollix. He should just run a chippy.
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f**k it lads, lets watch Sinky Sinclair.
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f**k it lads, lets watch Sinky Sinclair.
f**k that. im catchin the last 5 of Sexcetra on Virgin.
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Is that Magee with Sinky Sinclair ??? ??? ??? ???
What is the craic there??
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Look - he was on borrowed time after 5 rounds. All that 'crowd noise' was misleading - he was not landing, nor hurting Sexton. A half-decent young 'un, will always beat a journeyman with limited skill. End of. Rogie though should keep his sights set on a British title - the 'lucky-punch' syndrome will always give him a fighters' chance ..
Bollix. He should just run a chippy.
It's BALLIX - not Bollix - and, between you and me, I wouldn't back him to win a row in a chippy on a Friday night against someone under 25..
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Is that Magee with Sinky Sinclair ??? ??? ??? ???
What is the craic there??
Is that the PSNI waiting to arrest Magee? or ....
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Just on the road back from the Dudey fight. Great atmosphere and enjoyable fight. European champion, brilliant. Hopefully now he can push on for a shot @ the world title next year. A lot of good fighters in the division.
And to the half-tanked keyboard warriors with half an eye on the TV and the other half on their computer, what have yous achieved lately?embarrassing.
Fair play and unlucky ot Rogan 'you better believe it'!!!
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And to the half-tanked keyboard warriors with half an eye on the TV and the other half on their computer, what have yous achieved lately?embarrassing.
OK, let's start with you setting an example then. What have you achieved and why is your opinion (even though you've supplied zilch evidence for it) more valued than others? Over to you.
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Just back from the McCloskey fight, greats night boxing, while Paul should have knocked your man out earlier, he battered him every round. was surprised at how bad David Hanna was, looked so nervous and was crap. his first pro fight too. he'll probably join Marty in the chip van.
great crowd at the match
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What would worry me about McCloskey is that a very average Vietnamese boxer knocked tonight's opponent out in 2 rounds this time last year.
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Just back from the McCloskey fight, greats night boxing, while Paul should have knocked your man out earlier, he battered him every round. was surprised at how bad David Hanna was, looked so nervous and was crap. his first pro fight too. he'll probably join Marty in the chip van.
great crowd at the match
Did Taggart fight?
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Na. didn't see him
the place was freezing, was pre warned before i went up. hat scarf and gloves required. must have been 4 thousand at it.
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Just on the road back from the Dudey fight. Great atmosphere and enjoyable fight. European champion, brilliant. Hopefully now he can push on for a shot @ the world title next year. A lot of good fighters in the division.
And to the half-tanked keyboard warriors with half an eye on the TV and the other half on their computer, what have yous achieved lately?embarrassing.
Fair play and unlucky ot Rogan 'you better believe it'!!!
What an arsehole. Do you not sign off your posts with "PQ" anymore?
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how did D taggart get on?
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And to the half-tanked keyboard warriors with half an eye on the TV and the other half on their computer, what have yous achieved lately?embarrassing.
Never post on an empty head, there's a good lad.
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McCloskey fight nite.... Taggart won on points over four rounds. Slug fest but full of heart. It was the last fite on the bill and most of the crowd had left but rake of Tyrone ones stayed. Mickey Harte and a few of his sons were there to support him.
It was a great nite overall. Place was pumping and great atmosphere. Yer man from Spain hardly laid a glove on McCloskey. Did some star spotting... Joe Brolly and Martin McGuinness were posing for photos ringside, Eoghain Quigg was there, Barry McGuigan... a few others can't remember.
One problem tho... is their no heaters in thon place? Was absolutly freezing, terrible. You could see your own breath. Actually that was unacceptable. Apart from that tho brilliant atmosphere and a lot of GAA tops there.
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Aye Fox the place was like a igloo. i left right after the McCloskey fight, didn't realise he was fighting afterwards.
seen quigg dander in. Sambo was there and Paddy Heany and Brolly all sitting together. Brolly never shut up and Heany is a smug looking fecker ;)
Martin and Brolly where up getting photo opportunities all the time. Barry was in good voice and promotes my wife's cousin, Carl Frampton, who fought well and stopped your man in the third (i think)
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Was Kevin "Sweet Pea" O'Hara fighting on either bill last night?
Edit - he won on points on the Rogan undercard.
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McCloskey fight nite.... Taggart won on points over four rounds. Slug fest but full of heart. It was the last fite on the bill and most of the crowd had left but rake of Tyrone ones stayed. Mickey Harte and a few of his sons were there to support him.
It was a great nite overall. Place was pumping and great atmosphere. Yer man from Spain hardly laid a glove on McCloskey. Did some star spotting... Joe Brolly and Martin McGuinness were posing for photos ringside, Eoghain Quigg was there, Barry McGuigan... a few others can't remember.
One problem tho... is their no heaters in thon place? Was absolutly freezing, terrible. You could see your own breath. Actually that was unacceptable. Apart from that tho brilliant atmosphere and a lot of GAA tops there.
there was no heat on purposely to try and make the Spaniard as uncomfortable as possible.
it seemed to be a who's who of past and present county players
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Was at the rogan fight,crowd went nuts everytime rogan moved his arms when most of the time he was just punching into sextons guard, dissapointing night in all.
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rogan had sexton rocking in the 5th round, very disappointed with the referee when he gave sexton time to recover with his very long warning about holding!! he said next time a point will be taken off, 20 secs later he warned him again bout it!! over all sexton deserved to win, he was much sharper and more clinical with his punches. fair dues to rogan he has got himself into some shape when compared to his prizefighter night, he has done better than most people ever expected and should be applauded for it!!
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wonder how rogan has came out finacally over this past year
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Just on the road back from the Dudey fight. Great atmosphere and enjoyable fight. European champion, brilliant. Hopefully now he can push on for a shot @ the world title next year. A lot of good fighters in the division.
And to the half-tanked keyboard warriors with half an eye on the TV and the other half on their computer, what have yous achieved lately?embarrassing.
Fair play and unlucky ot Rogan 'you better believe it'!!!
What an arsehole. Do you not sign off your posts with "PQ" anymore?
you near hit a speed wobble closing rank there M lad
PQ
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Aye Fox the place was like a igloo. i left right after the McCloskey fight, didn't realise he was fighting afterwards.
seen quigg dander in. Sambo was there and Paddy Heany and Brolly all sitting together. Brolly never shut up and Heany is a smug looking fecker ;)
Martin and Brolly where up getting photo opportunities all the time. Barry was in good voice and promotes my wife's cousin, Carl Frampton, who fought well and stopped your man in the third (i think)
Aye, I saw Heaney but didn't mention him as I don't think he is a star or a celebrity :o
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I too was very disapointed with the ref in the Rogan fight. Sexton did take a lot of Rogans punches on his arms but he spent most of the first five rounds just holding Rogan, I think the ref was very slow to issue the warning. Sexton is like Rogan a very limited fighter, but I have great respect for the courage showed by Rogan last night. I feel if Sexton had not been allowed to get away with so much holding Rogans bravery may have got him a result early on. Just ran out of steam but brave as heck!
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Rogan hardly hit him a decent punch in the first 5 rounds so I don't know how he was gonna stop him. He was well beat.
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got sexton at 4/1 (inside the distance?) and 11/4 for the Russian inside the distance.
not sure the russian will win now, talking to some boxers last night and they convinced me Haye will win!!
two singles and a double so i'm up any way, but would like the double
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what time is the Hay fight on at?
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what time is the Hay fight on at?
PPV show starts at 8pm. They were saying on Sky last night that they expect the fight to start after half 9.
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Any links for tonights fight??
Dont wanna pay biox office ;D
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Saw odds in Ladbrokes earlier of -
Valuev 8/11 Haye Evens
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this pile of money put on Valuev is starting to put me off him.
might go for early round TKO for Haye to win? 30/1 right through each of the early rounds
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this pile of money put on Valuev is starting to put me off him.
might go for early round TKO for Haye to win? 30/1 right through each of the early rounds
Everyone lumped on Valuev when they saw you tipping Haye earlier :)
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Links??
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Anyone know any links that are actually for free and are no bother getting access to?
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Most links aren't starting til 9.30.
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try this:
http://www.watchprem.com/channel1.php
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The 'watch prem' is a bit stuttery ... anything else on the go? ???
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I might give in and pay the £15 - what time is it looking like starting at?
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Watchprem fine for me.
Heard Alan Brazil or Mike Parry on Talksport during the weekend wondering if it was possible to have Hayes run at yer man from the bell, jump up and hit him on the head.
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I might give in and pay the £15 - what time is it looking like starting at?
Probably another 10-15 minutes
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Is there commentary on liveprem?
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He has his poppy on, thank fcuk
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Stuttering for me too. Doing my head in.
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http://www.justin.tv/smackdownmatches
http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=54803&part=sports
got a decent sopcast link from sport.ro but no englsih commentary
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i have a couple running, the watchprem one, which is stuttery, but the commentry seems to keep going, have it minimised, with the 2nd listed sopcast through MMA TV on the link below running
http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=54803&part=sports
its in german, mute it and listen to the english commentary on
http://www.watchprem.com/channel1.php
bit long winded, but decent stream
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http://www.freedocast.com/forms/PopOut.aspx?sc=5316428A31DA2133109B
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Hayes corner man is a bit of a David Brent character by the sounds of him
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they have thrown 10 punches between them!!
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Hayes making a quare fist of it though.
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You would think youse keyboard warriors would pony up the money for the PPV, embarassing.
M
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Round?
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shite, i busy watching the michael Jackson seance live with Derek Acorah. they are in Cork!!!
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Any sword of Benny Tierney and Chris Lawn ?
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http://www.iraqgoals.net/ch3.html
Foreign but steady.
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Round five just over, glad I didn't pay for this
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Round?
Round 6 upcoming.
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Bit boring ain't it
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Bit boring ain't it
Sure is, Pacquiao v Cotto next week will be like watching a different sport
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Hayes is gonna have to keep dancing. If the big fella finally gets in him a corner, he'll take the head off him. Hayes better be fit.
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Hayes corner man - " Dont get drunk on your success" WTF?
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Not watching it, but PP have Valuev at 2/5 right now, yet the FiveLive commentators have Haye winning by a few rounds already, are they being biased or who's looking best?
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Not watching it, but PP have Valuev at 2/5 right now, yet the FiveLive commentators have Haye winning by a few rounds already, are they being biased or who's looking best?
Seriously? I have the big fella 1-2 up.
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Not watching it, but PP have Valuev at 2/5 right now, yet the FiveLive commentators have Haye winning by a few rounds already, are they being biased or who's looking best?
Jim Watt and Ian Darke have Valuev a pt ahead, Haye will need to be a few pts up to get the decision. Haye isn't doing enough.
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Not watching it, but PP have Valuev at 2/5 right now, yet the FiveLive commentators have Haye winning by a few rounds already, are they being biased or who's looking best?
Five live don't seem to be on the same wave length as the bookies - bookies have Valuev well ahead.
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Valuev is trying to walk Haye down And that will win him the fight, especially with it being in Germany.
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??? Your man just said something about Valuev knowing his title could be running away from him! Also say Haye's landed all the big shots so far and it's going his way. I'd be happy to go with the bookies word seeing as I lumped on Valuev at 5-4 earlier in the week!
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Haye is landing the better punches, but he's reluctant to engage for too long
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Valuev is trying to walk Haye down And that will win him the fight, especially with it being in Germany.
Bookies odds have lengthened - Valuev now 9/10
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Evens both men now
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Haye won round 9 & 10, tight enough now
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Fcuk, big man must be tiring by this stage and Haye stepping it up.
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Haye won round 9 & 10, tight enough now
Hometown decision coming up ?
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Klitscko would beat the ballacks of either of them I think
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Looks like Valuev now.
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Five live says they have Haye up by 3 rounds ??????
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Valuev wins 11, hometown decision it will be
Heavyweight boxing is shite!!
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Valuev 1/3 going into final round, hopefully he finishes this strong.
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worst.fight.ever.
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How do Five live men have it so wrong ?
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How do Five live men have it so wrong ?
five dead men could have done it better
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they have it wrong cause they are shite
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Haye hurt him in the last too little too late though
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Bookies reckon Haye has won it now.
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They should make it a no contest
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You would think from Five Live hat Haye has delivered a boxing masterclass. Poor fight all round. Rumours are Valuev by 2 rounds though!
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My links kept breaking. 5 Live has Haye winning by 3 or 4 rounds! Sky have it for Valuev
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all balls, watch Dereck on sky 2. what a load of balls. cant believe people pay him
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How do Five live men have it so wrong ?
"Valuev knows he's a beaten man", "he's won it by 3 or 4 rounds" ???
Even on the BBC website they think Haye didn't so enough. As I say, not watching it myself, but the 5live lads sound like some bullshitters even if Haye has won it. They even compared him to Ali in the way he got away from Valuev near the end there!
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all balls, watch Dereck on sky 2. what a load of balls. cant believe people pay him
Does he have Sam with him tonight??
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Hometown decision will be needed here ?
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Fcuk me Haye's done it.
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So who won it?!
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worst.fight.ever.
+1
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Haye has it, draw on one, 4 pts on both the other cards
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116-112 x 2 to Haye
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never a 4 point fight
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they have it wrong cause they are shite
Looks like the R5 boys weren't so shite after all.
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I had it a draw at the end.
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he
all balls, watch Dereck on sky 2. what a load of balls. cant believe people pay him
Does he have Sam with him tonight??
he's in cork, so i doubt it
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How do Five live men have it so wrong ?
"Valuev knows he's a beaten man", "he's won it by 3 or 4 rounds" ???
Even on the BBC website they think Haye didn't so enough. As I say, not watching it myself, but the 5live lads sound like some bullshitters even if Haye has won it. They even compared him to Ali in the way he got away from Valuev near the end there!
Turns out they arent that stupid after all on Five Live!!
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Not really a travesty, Haye is the better boxer
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agree that it was a crap fight, one of the Audley Harrison fight, and I use that team loosly, was a hell of a lot worse.
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worst fight ever. couldn't give it to anyone. five live won it in the end
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Jim Watt talking shit - still saying 'if only Hayes....' - even after he won!
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How do Five live men have it so wrong ?
"Valuev knows he's a beaten man", "he's won it by 3 or 4 rounds" ???
Even on the BBC website they think Haye didn't so enough. As I say, not watching it myself, but the 5live lads sound like some bullshitters even if Haye has won it. They even compared him to Ali in the way he got away from Valuev near the end there!
Turns out they arent that stupid after all on Five Live!!
Bookies got that wrong alright. Haye was 5/2 at one stage there.
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The saviour of British boxing. Arise Sir David Haye. That's the BBC Sports personality award sewn up anyway
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Never a 4 point winner, shite fight.
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at least haye threw a punch. Christ of almights valuvev couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo
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So more importantly, how did Chris Lawn and Benny Tierney get on tonight ?? That was the real big fight tonight.
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The saviour of British boxing. Arise Sir David Haye. That's the BBC Sports personality award sewn up anyway
Buttons your man for that
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The saviour of British boxing. Arise Sir David Haye. That's the BBC Sports personality award sewn up anyway
Buttons your man for that
You're right there, especially with them covering it
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How do Five live men have it so wrong ?
"Valuev knows he's a beaten man", "he's won it by 3 or 4 rounds" ???
Even on the BBC website they think Haye didn't so enough. As I say, not watching it myself, but the 5live lads sound like some bullshitters even if Haye has won it. They even compared him to Ali in the way he got away from Valuev near the end there!
Turns out they arent that stupid after all on Five Live!!
Fair enough they called it right, but they'd fairly sicken your hole listening to them. Fair play to Haye though, didn't think he'd win it, especially not on points. He's his pick of fights now, wonder if there'll be a rematch in London, or if he'll go after the Klitschko's straight away!
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The saviour of British boxing. Arise Sir David Haye. That's the BBC Sports personality award sewn up anyway
Buttons your man for that
Nah, I don't agree. Button was useless for the second half of the season. You'll hear nothing more of young Jenson now that Haye has conquered the World.
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Went down to the Errigal there in belfast to watch it, they where showing it via a German TV channel :-\. Commode stuff that fight, Haye by an absolute landslide I thought, Valuev is f**king useless, so slow and predictable it was unbeliveable. Haye fooled everyone by saying he was going for the KO during the week but it was never really in his mind, fought a smart enough fight and kept running from your man all the time. Any good shots in the fight came from Haye. f**k IT WAS COMMODE STUFF. If that useless big fecker had won id be over £100 up now >:(
Thanks god for Cotto-Pacman next week. My money is on Cotto to be honest.
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How do Five live men have it so wrong ?
"Valuev knows he's a beaten man", "he's won it by 3 or 4 rounds" ???
Even on the BBC website they think Haye didn't so enough. As I say, not watching it myself, but the 5live lads sound like some bullshitters even if Haye has won it. They even compared him to Ali in the way he got away from Valuev near the end there!
Turns out they arent that stupid after all on Five Live!!
Fair enough they called it right, but they'd fairly sicken your hole listening to them. Fair play to Haye though, didn't think he'd win it, especially not on points. He's his pick of fights now, wonder if there'll be a rematch in London, or if he'll go after the Klitschko's straight away!
For his sake I hope not !!
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Klitscko would beat the lugs of Haye
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The saviour of British boxing. Arise Sir David Haye. That's the BBC Sports personality award sewn up anyway
Buttons your man for that
Nah, I don't agree. Button was useless for the second half of the season. You'll hear nothing more of young Jenson now that Haye has conquered the World.
time will tell.
DD 12, was there many there? what happened to the sky box office coverage? waas going to go there myself but stayed in the house.
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The saviour of British boxing. Arise Sir David Haye. That's the BBC Sports personality award sewn up anyway
Buttons your man for that
Nah, I don't agree. Button was useless for the second half of the season. You'll hear nothing more of young Jenson now that Haye has conquered the World.
time will tell.
DD 12, was there many there? what happened to the sky box office coverage? waas going to go there myself but stayed in the house.
It was absolutely wedged square ball, wile crowd in for it. Pity it was such a commode fight, would have been a great atmosphere had there been any excitment. Dont know why they didnt have it on box office, maybe they get that german channel for free, not that it matters in a pub like ;D
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The saviour of British boxing. Arise Sir David Haye. That's the BBC Sports personality award sewn up anyway
Buttons your man for that
Nah, I don't agree. Button was useless for the second half of the season. You'll hear nothing more of young Jenson now that Haye has conquered the World.
time will tell.
DD 12, was there many there? what happened to the sky box office coverage? waas going to go there myself but stayed in the house.
Saturday night in the Errigle so would be packed fight or no fight.
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Well he's talking about cleaning up the division so I'd imagine we'll see a Klitschko-Haye fight in the near future. But I'd agree, he'd get the head boxed off him.
If that useless big fecker had won id be over £100 up now >:(
I know how you feel!
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The saviour of British boxing. Arise Sir David Haye. That's the BBC Sports personality award sewn up anyway
Buttons your man for that
Nah, I don't agree. Button was useless for the second half of the season. You'll hear nothing more of young Jenson now that Haye has conquered the World.
time will tell.
DD 12, was there many there? what happened to the sky box office coverage? waas going to go there myself but stayed in the house.
Saturday night in the Errigle so would be packed fight or no fight.
Shut up Tony >:( It was wedged because of the fight >:(
Wile nettle walking about it ;D
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Wile nettle walking about it ;D
???
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Feck me it was a terrible contest and Valuev was a big useless lump but for anyman to beat another men SEVEN stone heavier than him is a phenomenal achievement.
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Wile nettle walking about it ;D
???
Nettle = talent (as in sexy women).
You southerners are not wit it at'all LL ;D used in a sentence:
There was wile nettle walking around the Errigal Inn in belfast tonight.
Translated for LL:
There was a load of f**king sexy bitches walking around the Errigal Inn in Belfast tonight.
;D
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:D
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Wile nettle walking about it ;D
???
a shite hole and a load off fat 'butches' more like it
Nettle = talent (as in sexy women).
You southerners are not wit it at'all LL ;D used in a sentence:
There was wile nettle walking around the Errigal Inn in belfast tonight.
Translated for LL:
There was a load of f**king sexy bitches walking around the Errigal Inn in Belfast tonight.
;D
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Wile nettle walking about it ;D
???
a shite hole and a load off fat 'butches' more like it
Nettle = talent (as in sexy women).
You southerners are not wit it at'all LL ;D used in a sentence:
There was wile nettle walking around the Errigal Inn in belfast tonight.
Translated for LL:
There was a load of f**king sexy bitches walking around the Errigal Inn in Belfast tonight.
;D
Try that again there Milltown and hold the retardness :D
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BBC Headline - Haye shocks Valuev
Even though he was the favourite...........
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Wile nettle walking about it ;D
???
a shite hole and a load off fat 'butches' more like it
Nettle = talent (as in sexy women).
You southerners are not wit it at'all LL ;D used in a sentence:
There was wile nettle walking around the Errigal Inn in belfast tonight.
Translated for LL:
There was a load of f**king sexy bitches walking around the Errigal Inn in Belfast tonight.
;D
Try that again there Milltown and hold the retardness :D
sorry that didn't work :P
i've never seen anything sexy in there in my life. plenty of fat 'butches' but hey whatever turns you on
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Wile nettle walking about it ;D
???
a shite hole and a load off fat 'butches' more like it
Nettle = talent (as in sexy women).
You southerners are not wit it at'all LL ;D used in a sentence:
There was wile nettle walking around the Errigal Inn in belfast tonight.
Translated for LL:
There was a load of f**king sexy bitches walking around the Errigal Inn in Belfast tonight.
;D
Try that again there Milltown and hold the retardness :D
sorry that didn't work :P
i've never seen anything sexy in there in my life. plenty of fat 'butches' but hey whatever turns you on
Jesus Milltown where have you been? The Errigle has been gentrified over the past 5 years in line with the gentrification of the Ormeau and Ravenhill and is full of fine women.
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tony, its a shite hole. I've been a few times lately. my single friends (in their thirties, lucky bast...) say go to the Errigle blah blah. anytime i go it's keek.
maybe i'm too old :o
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tony, its a shite hole. I've been a few times lately. my single friends (in their thirties, lucky bast...) say go to the Errigle blah blah. anytime i go it's keek.
maybe i'm too old :o
I didn't say it was good! It has a few lookers about it. I used to go there back in the day and was there a few weeks ago with the boul Minder and a couple of other lads. With the move to a more upmarket clientele you introduce a lot of w**kers in their rugby tops with the collars up and that f**king "young professional" crowd of accountants etc., trying to prove they aren't boring c***ts, that sicken my shite and the women are likely to ask for your salary bracket before talking to you. However name me a bar in the city that isn't like that these days.
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your right but my opinion of the place is right, i preferred it years ago when good bands played and you went for a pint.
unfortunately all bars have girls more interested in what ya earn. thon girls are pricks and thats the world we live in now. glad i don't have to look for it now
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Holy feck, TB were u in the big front bar in the Errigle!!!!! the pretentious crowd frequent Toms bar while the commoners use the public, and the elderly use gods waiting room, theres a few boys gonna kick my nuts in now :D
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does anyone know the punches landed stats from the haye-valuev fight?
valuev should hav won
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Strange boxing decisions / Simon Cowell decisions
Is there any difference in their reasoning?
Are you surprised?
Am I too cynical? :)
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I too was very disapointed with the ref in the Rogan fight. Sexton did take a lot of Rogans punches on his arms but he spent most of the first five rounds just holding Rogan, I think the ref was very slow to issue the warning. Sexton is like Rogan a very limited fighter, but I have great respect for the courage showed by Rogan last night. I feel if Sexton had not been allowed to get away with so much holding Rogans bravery may have got him a result early on. Just ran out of steam but brave as heck!
Poor enough fight and Big Rogey, a bit like someone taking up hurling late in life, always showed a bit of awkwardness in his movement and punching technique which is probably ironed out in the formative years.
He did get a few on Sexton in the fifth which caused Sexton a bit of a knee wobble but spent a fierce amount of energy trying to put him down. You could see that he was a busted flush on his way back to the corner. Sexton was able to recover and dominated the sixth round but only the big heart in Rogey kept him going. No disgrace IMO.
Did anyone see the very brief unfurling of a 'Norn Iron Fleg' with C'mon Rogey on it before the fight started? Thought it was funny myself.
As for strange boxing decisions, some of the undercard fights that night went the way of the local lads, 'sweet pea' won his alright, but the last fight before Rogeys was a bit ropey to say the least as i thought the English lad landed the more punches.
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Big fight in Vesgas saturday night. Does anyone know why Pacman is such heavy favourite ??? ??? I honestly cant see him beating Cotto, i think he will be too big, too strong and a lot smarter than Ricky hatton was.
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Big fight in Vesgas saturday night. Does anyone know why Pacman is such heavy favourite ??? ??? I honestly cant see him beating Cotto, i think he will be too big, too strong and a lot smarter than Ricky hatton was.
whats the odds, he is heavy odds because before the last two or three fights he was in he was the underdog and the bookies lost big money on him
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Matthew Hatton draws with NDou.
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Well I've always thought Cotto would be too big for Manny and was convinced he would be able to walk him down, but starting to have my doubts. Cotto dealt brilliantly with Mosely fast hands but after watching that fight again it occurred to me that whilst Mosely's hands are lightning fast, he wasn't on his toes in anyway near the same way Manny will be. He will use his skills and be in and out, though should be noted Cotto is a fairly precise and accurate puncher so will need to be careful when lunging in. Cotto took Mosely's best shots and those of Margarito and still kept going and a horrific cut didn't stop him last time out, so I don't think Manny can afford to get dragged into a war.
For me then there are two likely outcomes, Pac-Man on points or a Cotto KO. Most of my small amount of money laid down is on a second half Cotto KO, but given increasing nerves to hedge I've stuck down a small bit on Manny to stop him between 10-12.
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What time is the actual fight at tonight between Pacman and Cotto? I know coverage starts at 0200hrs but i assume the fight wont start until a while after this?
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Anyone know anything about this frenchie that Lee is fighting soon? Who is favorite for it?
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Anyone know anything about this frenchie that Lee is fighting soon? Who is favorite for it?
Just watched it - Andy Lee was 30 secs from a ko and that was of himself - another DUD methinks ..
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Anyone know anything about this frenchie that Lee is fighting soon? Who is favorite for it?
Just watched it - Andy Lee was 30 secs from a ko and that was of himself - another DUD methinks ..
Gonna have to disagree with you... he would have known the bell was less than 30 seconds away, he grabbed his opponent and brought him to the middle of the ring... like Macklin said he didn't do that against Vera and that shows improvement
bit harsh calling him a dud... thought he boxed very clever apart from that bip in the tenth round, kept the other boy out of reach 90% of the time... would love to know what the punch count would be
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think macklin would knock Lee out. Lee doesn't look as good as he was.
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What time is the actual fight at tonight between Pacman and Cotto? I know coverage starts at 0200hrs but i assume the fight wont start until a while after this?
Won't be far off 4am I'd say. Dunno if it get pulled forward if the undercard bouts don't go the distance. Doubt it though as I'm sure it'll be round 8pm PT for tv.
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What time is the actual fight at tonight between Pacman and Cotto? I know coverage starts at 0200hrs but i assume the fight wont start until a while after this?
Won't be far off 4am I'd say. Dunno if it get pulled forward if the undercard bouts don't go the distance. Doubt it though as I'm sure it'll be round 8pm PT for tv.
You would know
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think macklin would knock Lee out. Lee doesn't look as good as he was.
Don't know about Lee being not as good as he was as I wouldn't be the best follower of boxing and Lee's form but one thing is for sure Macklin can fairly throw a haymaker... he threw some real beauties in his European title win
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Without a doubt THE best in the world... Manny was simply awesome tonight and although Cotto battld well and has the heart of a lion Pacquiao is the best boxer I've ever seen and is unlikely to ever get beaten I think.
Him and Mayweather will be amazing and I fancy Manny after his last 2 performances!
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Very disappointed with Lee. I thought he was the real thing for a while, but he hasn't showed any improvement with experience. In fact he's done the opposite and it's hard now to pinpoint any strength in his make-up. He doesn't seem to be killing himself with gym work either. After a few years as a pro he has no musculature - no chest, no shoulder muscles or biceps. He fought like an amateur last night. Another Dud(dy), I think.
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Pac-man was awesome. Shows what I know, though thankfully hedged the bet well - ref did me a favour. Unbelievable heart from Cotto. After this I wouldn't want to bet against Pac-Man but if you were going to then I guess the only one you could possibly back would be Mayweather.
Am a little excited this morning so maybe I'm going over the top but not sure - but after this Manny has to be up there with the very ebst of all time. If he beats Mayweather he may well be the BEST of all time!
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Lee seems short of confidence alright but Manny is one of the all time greats
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Pacman is the best ive ever seen. To do what he is doing is unbelievable. the way he has moved up the weight and took the power with him is scary. Its a credit to Freddie roach and his team for getting him in the shape he is in but Pacman is just a talent as well. He went to 1/3 before the fight, couldnt believe it, i thought Cotto would be too big and smart for him but Pacman is just different sauce.
Hard one to call between him and Mayweather if they get it on and on current form its very hard to see Pacman being beat!!
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Pacman is unreal. Incredible fighter altogether.
Lee I'm afraid is an accident waiting to happen. That French lad was wild limited and nearly took him out at the nd. I think Lee's management will keep him figting pookies for a while and picking up decent cheques for filling halls in Limerick and TV from RTE. Once he steps up in class he'll be nailed.
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Just watched the Pacman fight again there. Probably the best fighter I have seen. The way he can move up divisions, and still have the same speed, power, stamina etc and control the fights in the manner he did last night is unbelievable.
Pacman v Mayweather will be an amazing fight. Not sure if Mayweather would fancy it though as Pacman could take his unbeaten record.
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Pacman was in unbelievable form there. Mayweather v Pacman would surely have to be one of the biggest fights ever if it was made?
On a slightly different note check this video out from Friday nights undercard to the Matthew Hatton fight - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCU389zi4wc
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post fight analysis.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FZy7kKZjn8
what intensity there :D :D
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHmCYlIsX5E&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Hz5-uYHso
:D :D :D
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Anyone know anything about this frenchie that Lee is fighting soon? Who is favorite for it?
Just watched it - Andy Lee was 30 secs from a ko and that was of himself - another DUD methinks ..
Gonna have to disagree with you... he would have known the bell was less than 30 seconds away, he grabbed his opponent and brought him to the middle of the ring... like Macklin said he didn't do that against Vera and that shows improvement
bit harsh calling him a dud... thought he boxed very clever apart from that bip in the tenth round, kept the other boy out of reach 90% of the time... would love to know what the punch count would be
Mmmmmh! Still think that Lee is lacking something in the chin department and is a sitting duck. No matter how many punches you throw or how 'good' you look in the ring, if you can't mix it big time with the Mexicans etc, well your rounds are numbered. In truth, he has no punch and is wide open to a fighter that will mix it with him. It's Bernard Dunne all over again.... Bet his next fight is against some European hopeful (probably ranked about 10) who will be the 'acid test' for Lee. Load of balls, just an excuse to pack an arena, get RTE with Dave Boy - Jimmy, I didn't see that punch there - McAuley on board, hyping up a somewhat limited boxer who has, as a pro, failed to live up to his amateur reputation.
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Damn sky - I set the ould digital recorder and of course 4 undercard fights later I don't get the whole of the Pacman fight ??? ???
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Bit harsh on Lee, the thing that he has got going for him is that he has a big punch. His chin is questionable at this stage, as is his defence. Disappointed with his progress myself. Sooner or later he will have to fight Duddy and/or Macklin, and at present I think he would lose to both.
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Anyone know anything about this frenchie that Lee is fighting soon? Who is favorite for it?
Just watched it - Andy Lee was 30 secs from a ko and that was of himself - another DUD methinks ..
Gonna have to disagree with you... he would have known the bell was less than 30 seconds away, he grabbed his opponent and brought him to the middle of the ring... like Macklin said he didn't do that against Vera and that shows improvement
bit harsh calling him a dud... thought he boxed very clever apart from that bip in the tenth round, kept the other boy out of reach 90% of the time... would love to know what the punch count would be
Mmmmmh! Still think that Lee is lacking something in the chin department and is a sitting duck. No matter how many punches you throw or how 'good' you look in the ring, if you can't mix it big time with the Mexicans etc, well your rounds are numbered. In truth, he has no punch and is wide open to a fighter that will mix it with him. It's Bernard Dunne all over again.... Bet his next fight is against some European hopeful (probably ranked about 10) who will be the 'acid test' for Lee. Load of balls, just an excuse to pack an arena, get RTE with Dave Boy - Jimmy, I didn't see that punch there - McAuley on board, hyping up a somewhat limited boxer who has, as a pro, failed to live up to his amateur reputation.
You're way off saying Lee is another Dunne. He's better than Dunne, much better but he's low on confidence. And it remains to be seen if he gets it back. and by the way Dunne was still a World Champion. Some people here seem to think World Titles are handed out at raffles or something.
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Some world titles are more worthless than a raffle ticket though.
Dunne is a good decent fighter with a lot of heart but he is by no means a great fighter and isn't in the elite at his own weight division.
Fair play to him for getting as far as he did as a WBA title isn't to be sniffed at but his career is on a downhill spiral now after two hefty losses.
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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/boxing/2730728/The-incredible-double-KO-video-Paul-Samuels-and-Cello-Renda.html (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/boxing/2730728/The-incredible-double-KO-video-Paul-Samuels-and-Cello-Renda.html)
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There was a quality fight on the other night. Im not sure of the names or weigh, sorry, im not a big boxing fan really. But the 2 lads went for it right from the off. the fight ended in the 3rd round maybe? There was a class bit in the fight when both boxers were knocked down at the same time! One of you ore avid fans surely must have seen it?
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There was a quality fight on the other night. Im not sure of the names or weigh, sorry, im not a big boxing fan really. But the 2 lads went for it right from the off. the fight ended in the 3rd round maybe? There was a class bit in the fight when both boxers were knocked down at the same time! One of you ore avid fans surely must have seen it?
Check post before yours.
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Some world titles are more worthless than a raffle ticket though.
Dunne is a good decent fighter with a lot of heart but he is by no means a great fighter and isn't in the elite at his own weight division.
Fair play to him for getting as far as he did as a WBA title isn't to be sniffed at but his career is on a downhill spiral now after two hefty losses.
Dunne's biography (Liberties Press) is called 'The Agony and the Ecstasy' and sort of says that he is one of Ireland's elite band to have won a creditable belt, but quit now before he destroys his reputation. Discuss?
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Anyone know anything about this frenchie that Lee is fighting soon? Who is favorite for it?
Just watched it - Andy Lee was 30 secs from a ko and that was of himself - another DUD methinks ..
Gonna have to disagree with you... he would have known the bell was less than 30 seconds away, he grabbed his opponent and brought him to the middle of the ring... like Macklin said he didn't do that against Vera and that shows improvement
bit harsh calling him a dud... thought he boxed very clever apart from that bip in the tenth round, kept the other boy out of reach 90% of the time... would love to know what the punch count would be
Mmmmmh! Still think that Lee is lacking something in the chin department and is a sitting duck. No matter how many punches you throw or how 'good' you look in the ring, if you can't mix it big time with the Mexicans etc, well your rounds are numbered. In truth, he has no punch and is wide open to a fighter that will mix it with him. It's Bernard Dunne all over again.... Bet his next fight is against some European hopeful (probably ranked about 10) who will be the 'acid test' for Lee. Load of balls, just an excuse to pack an arena, get RTE with Dave Boy - Jimmy, I didn't see that punch there - McAuley on board, hyping up a somewhat limited boxer who has, as a pro, failed to live up to his amateur reputation.
You're way off saying Lee is another Dunne. He's better than Dunne, much better but he's low on confidence. And it remains to be seen if he gets it back. and by the way Dunne was still a World Champion. Some people here seem to think World Titles are handed out at raffles or something.
Some of them are. Check out how Lennox Lewis "won" is first heavyweight title, or who the first WBO heavyweight champion was, who happened to be announced in the build up to the unification fight between Tyson and Spinks. Dunne is a reasonably talented fighter who showed great heart to beat Cordoba to win a "world" title. But to imply that the fact that he won a tough, exciting fight against a tough opponent makes him outstanding is stretching the bounds of credibility. I can think of plenty of "world" champions who don't deserve the prefix. Despite the notable achievement of being one of the two best boxers on the planet, Pacquiao has the proud distinction of being the holder of the IBO Light Welterweight title, and the WBO Welterweight title. The belts are a joke, and as mentioned, some of them would be more valuable than raffle tickets.
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More importantly though Gallsman at junior welterweight and welterweight he beat the men who would be considered "the man" by " the Ring". That is to say that in the absence of PBF, Cotto was the man. Pacquiao is now the man and not PBF. If Pac-Man wins he is GOAT, if Mayweather wins that is not the case.
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More importantly though Gallsman at junior welterweight and welterweight he beat the men who would be considered "the man" by " the Ring". That is to say that in the absence of PBF, Cotto was the man. Pacquiao is now the man and not PBF. If Pac-Man wins he is GOAT, if Mayweather wins that is not the case.
I suppose it depends on the hindsight of years after he retires but if pacman rips through floyd hes up there with the best of all time. Right now its hard to compare him to the fighters of more competitive eras. Pacman has never fought anyone of the Hagler, Hearns, Duran, Leonard calibre for example. These 4 are up there with nearly anyone ever and all fought each other (which puts them up there). Nothing manny can do about whose out there now of course but if your talking about greatest of all time you have to ask has he beaten fellow all time greats?
Whilst he has fought superb fighters I dont think any have the same quality of the 4 I mentioned. I wouldn't even include PBF in their league having watched the fights. For one thing all those 4 got involved in WARS Floyd could only dream of. For example, the first round of Hagler-Hearns, holy f**k what a tear up :o, or all of Leonard-Duran 1 or Leonard-Hagler. Be good to hear what the older posters remember of that era, best ever era in boxing?
But anyway, Pacmans claims to being THE best ever will always be slightly weakened by who he fought, but if he beats Floyd hes up there somewhere IMO
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There was a quality fight on the other night. Im not sure of the names or weigh, sorry, im not a big boxing fan really. But the 2 lads went for it right from the off. the fight ended in the 3rd round maybe? There was a class bit in the fight when both boxers were knocked down at the same time! One of you ore avid fans surely must have seen it?
Check post before yours.
Aye that was it! i didnt even notice that post! Apologies!
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More importantly though Gallsman at junior welterweight and welterweight he beat the men who would be considered "the man" by " the Ring". That is to say that in the absence of PBF, Cotto was the man. Pacquiao is now the man and not PBF. If Pac-Man wins he is GOAT, if Mayweather wins that is not the case.
Whilst he has fought superb fighters I dont think any have the same quality of the 4 I mentioned. I wouldn't even include PBF in their league having watched the fights. For one thing all those 4 got involved in WARS Floyd could only dream of. For example, the first round of Hagler-Hearns, holy f**k what a tear up :o, or all of Leonard-Duran 1 or Leonard-Hagler. Be good to hear what the older posters remember of that era, best ever era in boxing?
Mayweather did make an interesting point when I saw him interviewed on SSN yesterday. Something along the lines of "there's no glory in getting beaten up during a fight. The object of the sport is to hit your opponent and not get hit yourself. Some fighters forget the second part."
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Managed to see Manny on the repeat last night- Very impressive and as quick as anyone has ever been. Leaves himself a bit open at times but has an incredible dig on him for someone who has come up through the weights. If he fights Mayweather it'll be very interesting as Floyd really hasn't been in a decent fight in years and I'd wonder would he have the stomach for it in the later rounds cos Manny will keep on coming at him and he's as fast if not faster than Pretty Boy. The old adage of a good big un will always beat a good little un would be severely tested.
Be good to hear what the older posters remember of that era, best ever era in boxing?
Best ever era for middle weights anyway and traditionally that was always viewed as the hardest weight to win at as its at the "average" weight for men so more fighters at that level. Heard a great quote from George Kimball about the hitmans son who is fighting now - he has everything his father had except a chin and a punch!!!
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More importantly though Gallsman at junior welterweight and welterweight he beat the men who would be considered "the man" by " the Ring". That is to say that in the absence of PBF, Cotto was the man. Pacquiao is now the man and not PBF. If Pac-Man wins he is GOAT, if Mayweather wins that is not the case.
I see not much is mentioned of the losses the great Pac-man has suffered in his career - surely these losses challenge, with 2 of them against pretty much unknown fighters, counter his claims to being the GOAT.
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More importantly though Gallsman at junior welterweight and welterweight he beat the men who would be considered "the man" by " the Ring". That is to say that in the absence of PBF, Cotto was the man. Pacquiao is now the man and not PBF. If Pac-Man wins he is GOAT, if Mayweather wins that is not the case.
Whilst he has fought superb fighters I dont think any have the same quality of the 4 I mentioned. I wouldn't even include PBF in their league having watched the fights. For one thing all those 4 got involved in WARS Floyd could only dream of. For example, the first round of Hagler-Hearns, holy f**k what a tear up :o, or all of Leonard-Duran 1 or Leonard-Hagler. Be good to hear what the older posters remember of that era, best ever era in boxing?
Mayweather did make an interesting point when I saw him interviewed on SSN yesterday. Something along the lines of "there's no glory in getting beaten up during a fight. The object of the sport is to hit your opponent and not get hit yourself. Some fighters forget the second part."
He has a point and if he sticks to his guns, and ducks Pacquaio he will be remembered as a very good fighter but not an all time great. To be an all time great you have to prove yourself against
Every all time great since Joe Louis' 'Bum of the month' has had their wars. Ali-Frazier, Robinson-La Motta, all 4 of the fighters previously mentioned with each other, etc. Its what seperates Ray Leonard from PBF, he had all the skill, speed, slickness but he had the guts, heart and chin for the brawls as well.
All Floyd has done in the later part of his career is duck the hard fights and hard fighters near his weight, fighting men who couldnt dictate the terms of the fight like a limited Hatton or blown up Marquez. He has every right to fight who he wants and in the evasive style he wants but he wont secure the greatness of pacmans legacy if he keeps at it.
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So how will he be regarded if he beats Pacman?
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So how will he be regarded if he beats Pacman?
As one of the all time greats -
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More importantly though Gallsman at junior welterweight and welterweight he beat the men who would be considered "the man" by " the Ring". That is to say that in the absence of PBF, Cotto was the man. Pacquiao is now the man and not PBF. If Pac-Man wins he is GOAT, if Mayweather wins that is not the case.
I see not much is mentioned of the losses the great Pac-man has suffered in his career - surely these losses challenge, with 2 of them against pretty much unknown fighters, counter his claims to being the GOAT.
IIRC his first loss was when he was 17 early on in his professional career and fighting a seasonsed fighter ten years older so this really doesn't have much bearing on his legacy as such. Being undefeated is overrated imo, it is who you have fought that counts more and that is why the likes of Calaghze whilst undoubtedly a good fighter will never go down as one of the greats because for him his career came at a time when he didn't have much quality opponents in comparison to previous decades.
Mayweather hand picks his fighters very very carefully and in a business like manner. Marquez was always going to be caught by Floyd and is past his best, Hatton smaller and an easy target was a smart matchup fromhis camp too. Mayweather would be very reluctant to fight a Cotto or a Mosely because he knows they are a threat with their punching ability.
Pacquiao v Mayweather would be the biggest ppv event ever without a doubt and I'm not sure what way it would go. Cotto's tactics were spot on in the first round when he boxed with his jab and didn't trade with pacman, this is how I'd see Mayweather trying to counter him. It would be a contrast of styles and I'd love to see what way the bookies would have them.
At the minute i've much more respect for pacman because who he has fought and how he has fought and this alone means a hell of a lot more than the undefeated record of Mayweather.
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If it happens, when is the Mayweather and Pacquio fight likely to be?
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If it happens, when is the Mayweather and Pacquio fight likely to be?
Probably take place next May if it happens.
Most likely still going to be held in Vegas and even talk of a 30,000 outdoor temporary stadium being made to facilitate it but I think it's unlikely.
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Whiskey steve. Think you're being a bit unfair on some of Pacmans opponents to be honest. Barrera, Morales Marquez are all first ballot Hall of Famers and he went 5-1-1 against them, stopping all of them. Cotto is a top drawer fighter. DLH was much big fighter and people weren;t sure before th fight how that would pan out - feeling was that if DLH caught him it would be lights out (which is what I thought would eventually happen against Cotto).
The Famous Four each fantastic fighters no doubt, but also had losses against not so great fighers. Does it matter that Pacman's were at the beginning of his career as opposed to Terry NOrris making Ray Leonard look stupid? Personally I don't think should count against either of them. For me out of those four Duran was the best, followed by Hagler (who I still think beat Leonard), then Leonard barely - first time round Hearns outboxed him. Having started out as lightweight, Duran was just too small against the others really so to put it up to Hagler and to beat Leonard was incredible. As a lightweight he was incredible.
Always thought it was pity that Aaron Pryor missed out on the super fights with these guys as he would have given them plenty of trouble.
Can you imagine Pacman - Pryor or Pacman - Duran? The things dreams are made of.
Anyway, I think Mayweather is a better boxer than Leonard or the others, and is the best defensive boxer in donkeys - better even than Pernell Whitaker. That's not to say PBF will be remembered in the same breath as the Famous 4, but if Manny beats Mayweather, for me Manny should be above them.
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Whiskey steve. Think you're being a bit unfair on some of Pacmans opponents to be honest. Barrera, Morales Marquez are all first ballot Hall of Famers and he went 5-1-1 against them, stopping all of them. Cotto is a top drawer fighter. DLH was much big fighter and people weren;t sure before th fight how that would pan out - feeling was that if DLH caught him it would be lights out (which is what I thought would eventually happen against Cotto).
The Famous Four each fantastic fighters no doubt, but also had losses against not so great fighers. Does it matter that Pacman's were at the beginning of his career as opposed to Terry NOrris making Ray Leonard look stupid? Personally I don't think should count against either of them. For me out of those four Duran was the best, followed by Hagler (who I still think beat Leonard), then Leonard barely - first time round Hearns outboxed him. Having started out as lightweight, Duran was just too small against the others really so to put it up to Hagler and to beat Leonard was incredible. As a lightweight he was incredible.
Always thought it was pity that Aaron Pryor missed out on the super fights with these guys as he would have given them plenty of trouble.
Can you imagine Pacman - Pryor or Pacman - Duran? The things dreams are made of.
Anyway, I think Mayweather is a better boxer than Leonard or the others, and is the best defensive boxer in donkeys - better even than Pernell Whitaker. That's not to say PBF will be remembered in the same breath as the Famous 4, but if Manny beats Mayweather, for me Manny should be above them.
DLH was shot whenever Pacman fought him but I'd still have fancied him to win a few years earlier.
Don't think Cotto is exactly a 'top drawer fighter', a very good boxer but anyone with quick movement and who can deal with his body shots have a good chance against him, he will beat most of what I call the B level, the likes of Hatton, Margarito etc.. Mosley I'm not so sure.
It's futile really to compare Pacman and Mayweather to the golden generation of boxing era, both these fighters will go down as two of the best of their respective era and whoever wins it will go down as thee best and probably one of the best of all-time. As I've said before though, I've still got my reservations about Floyd but make no mistake, he is certainly capable of beating Pacman if he boxes and moves with counter punches like Cotto tried for a short period of time.
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I think that Pacman against Rogie would be a great fight?
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Rogie clocked Pacman years ago.
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Ricky Hatton is set to fight again. Rumoured to be fighting Juan Manuel Marquez next year. Either in Manchester or Wembley.
Seems to be a final swansong for Ricky. Good final pay day too.
Wise move or should he just hang them up?
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See RJJ got beat by Danny Green, just shows how far he has fallen since he was at the peak of his powers, puts Calzaghes win in perspective. I see Matthen Macklin is looking to fight Pavlik next, that would be a decent scrap. But I see Macklin is quoted as saying he wants to get in there and beat Pavlik before someone else does - sure Pavlik has already been beat. I would love to see Khan knocked out this weekend, he does some spouting off about how good he will become and how much he has improved. He came out with a line recently saying he doesn't want to fight any of the big guns yet as they are at different stages of their careers - crap. He will wait to the like of Hatton is 34 or 35. If he is a world champion now he can't avoid the big names, and he is often talking down regarding Prescott but why has he not attempted to avenge the loss instead of classing Prescott as a one or two round fighter?
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Ricky Hatton is set to fight again. Rumoured to be fighting Juan Manuel Marquez next year. Either in Manchester or Wembley.
Seems to be a final swansong for Ricky. Good final pay day too.
Wise move or should he just hang them up?
I was watching Sky Sports News the last day and they reckon that Khan is lined up to fight Hattin next September.
It was Freddie Roach that said it in an interview.
BTW I think Freddie Roach is a legend.
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Ricky Hatton is set to fight again. Rumoured to be fighting Juan Manuel Marquez next year. Either in Manchester or Wembley.
Seems to be a final swansong for Ricky. Good final pay day too.
Wise move or should he just hang them up?
I was watching Sky Sports News the last day and they reckon that Khan is lined up to fight Hattin next September.
It was Freddie Roach that said it in an interview.
BTW I think Freddie Roach is a legend.
That he is.
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Is Matthew Macklins fight this weekend being shown on RTE or any channel for that matter, I cant imagine it would be on sky, but wouldn mind seeing it. He seems like a likable lad.
Was listening to him on the Radio at the weekend there, apparently he used to be a fine hurler came over to south tipp every summer as a youngster to play the game, Played for tipperary U16's alongside one Eoin Kelly.
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Is Matthew Macklins fight this weekend being shown on RTE or any channel for that matter, I cant imagine it would be on sky, but wouldn mind seeing it. He seems like a likable lad.
Was listening to him on the Radio at the weekend there, apparently he used to be a fine hurler came over to south tipp every summer as a youngster to play the game, Played for tipperary U16's alongside one Eoin Kelly.
Aye it's on RTÉ two this Saturday evening
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RJJ's game was up years ago. He should have quit after demolishing Ruiz. Regardless of what people say, I believe in his prime he'd have beaten Collins, Calzaghe, Cwis, Benn- the lot of them. Best boxer I've ever seen in my lifetime. Blinding speed, ferocious power and he rarely got tagged. Really hope he doesn't try to squeeze one last pay day and have the Hopkins fight go ahead anyway- it would be like the Mayweather-Judah fight.
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Great interview with Mayweather here
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid29318049001?bctid=50763587001 (http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid29318049001?bctid=50763587001)
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RJJ's game was up years ago. He should have quit after demolishing Ruiz. Regardless of what people say, I believe in his prime he'd have beaten Collins, Calzaghe, Cwis, Benn- the lot of them. Best boxer I've ever seen in my lifetime. Blinding speed, ferocious power and he rarely got tagged. Really hope he doesn't try to squeeze one last pay day and have the Hopkins fight go ahead anyway- it would be like the Mayweather-Judah fight.
Agree with you completely. I used to watch alot of him years ago around the time he suffered his first loss (technically a loss but he was disqualified for hitting Montell Griffin when hed had been knocked down). He was unbelievable in his prime, the best I have ever seen. He has already fought on too long and he has already dented his legacy.
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RJJ's game was up years ago. He should have quit after demolishing Ruiz. Regardless of what people say, I believe in his prime he'd have beaten Collins, Calzaghe, Cwis, Benn- the lot of them. Best boxer I've ever seen in my lifetime. Blinding speed, ferocious power and he rarely got tagged. Really hope he doesn't try to squeeze one last pay day and have the Hopkins fight go ahead anyway- it would be like the Mayweather-Judah fight.
Agree with you completely. I used to watch alot of him years ago around the time he suffered his first loss (technically a loss but he was disqualified for hitting Montell Griffin when hed had been knocked down). He was unbelievable in his prime, the best I have ever seen. He has already fought on too long and he has already dented his legacy.
See Hopkins won last night in New Orleans against some Mexican lad. Says he wants Haye but there's definitely still the possibility of the RJJ fight happening.
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does any of ya's know if the kevin mitchell/bredis presscott fight is on the same card as khan?? if not is it being shown anywhere?? should be decent fight, have always liked mitchell as a fighter and a win here would be great for him.
is khan fihht PPV??
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does any of ya's know if the kevin mitchell/bredis presscott fight is on the same card as khan?? if not is it being shown anywhere?? should be decent fight, have always liked mitchell as a fighter and a win here would be great for him.
is khan fihht PPV??
Mitchell fight is on the same card as Khan and yes its pay per view. Not sure if it's worth paying for this one or not especially with the free boxing on rte.
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Should this not be St Stephen's thread :o
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does any of ya's know if the kevin mitchell/bredis presscott fight is on the same card as khan?? if not is it being shown anywhere?? should be decent fight, have always liked mitchell as a fighter and a win here would be great for him.
is khan fihht PPV??
Mitchell fight is on the same card as Khan and yes its pay per view. Not sure if it's worth paying for this one or not especially with the free boxing on rte.
until khan fights someone of note, i will not pay to watch him, and after his comments yesterday its really hard to warm to him!!
near forgot bout the boxing on rte tonight. cheers TD
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any one any links for the khan fight?
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http://www.freesportslive.com/channel-1.html
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Good to see Cavan's Andy Murray winning on RTÉ there... Jaysus that Dave Boy McCauley is annoying, latches onto an idea and never shuts up about it
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any one any links for the khan fight?
http://www.justin.tv/vip_sports_bar_2/old/
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Is khan on sky pay per view or who's covering it?
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or this
http://www.justin.tv/vip_sports_bar_2/popout/
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les than a minute your man lasted
valye for money or what?
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/8402982.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/8402982.stm)
Floyd Mayweather Jr believes he will knock out Manny Pacquiao when boxing's two biggest stars meet in 2010. The American and the Philippines star, regarded as the world's two best pound-for-pound boxers, are finalising plans for a welterweight meeting on 13 March.
And unbeaten Mayweather, 32, said: "He's been knocked out before and he's taken losses. I'll be victorious." Mayweather's bold prediction comes as two NFL stadiums are reported to be bidding to host the 'superfight'. Cowboy Stadium in Arlington, Texas, home of the Dallas Cowboys, is competing with the Superdome in New Orleans, as well as traditional boxing venue, the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. The two stadiums could accommodate up to 100,000 spectators, while the MGM Grand seats about 16,000.
The latter venue staged both boxers' last fights - Filipino Pacquaio became a five-weight world champion following his WBO welterweight title win over Miguel Cotto in November, while Las Vegas-based Mayweather beat Mexican Juan Manuel Marquez in September. Pacquiao's victory over Cotto completed an amazing 12 months in which he defeated ring legend Oscar de la Hoya as well as Britain's Ricky Hatton.
With the fight between Mayweather and Pacquiao expecting to surpass the previous record of $18.4m (£11,36m) for gate receipts, which was for Mayweather's bout with Oscar De La Hoya in 2007, promoters Bob Arum and Richard Schaefer are looking to maximise all possible revenues.
And Mayweather remains confident of blotting Pacquaio's record of 50 victories from 55 fights. "Pacquiao's a good fighter but I've been around the sport a long time and I've dominated boxing for around 15 years now," the American said on HBO Television's Joe Buck Live chat show.
"No-one has defeated me yet so we'll have to see. "The thing is, I don't want the fans to be really shocked by what will happen when we do happen to meet up because it's not going to be anything new."
Mayweather also admitted he has won and lost huge sums gambling on NFL matches in Las Vegas. "Two weeks ago I won like a million [dollars], that was across a week of games, Monday night, Sunday and Thursday," he added.
"I didn't lose a million but I lost a couple of hundred thousand. Then I tried to get some 'get back' and lost some more money on Brett Favre [Minnesota Vikings quarter-back]."
Really hope it's not in Cowboys stadium- the place is a monstrosity!
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Would be great to see it in a big stadium and away from Vegas.
Mayweather said he wants to fight in England as well before he retires. A few more big pay days. Could you blame him though?
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Pretty impressive alright Galls, would make a great spectacle, somewhere different
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Thats the old stadium is it not?
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Pretty impressive alright Galls, would make a great spectacle, somewhere different
Jeyes! That work on Casement has come on big time.
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Would be great to see it in a big stadium and away from Vegas.
Mayweather said he wants to fight in England as well before he retires. A few more big pay days. Could you blame him though?
After Pac-man the worthy fights for Mayweather would be - Cotto and Mosley at welterweight, and possibly Paul Williams at light-middle if he decided to move up again. Cotto's lost his appeal a bit now so probably one of the other 2 and doubt it would be outside USA. I can't imagine he'd come to England unless he was going to fight Hatton, and I hope he isn't considering that.
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'In 1997 I played under-16 for Tipperary'
SPORTING PASSIONS MATTHEW MACKLIN (Boxer): MATTHEW MACKLIN defeated Finland’s Amin Asikainen at the Manchester Velodrome on September 25th to win the vacant European middleweight title.
Promoted by Meath’s Brian Peters and raised in Birmingham by Irish parents, Macklin was also a talented hurler with Tipperary and played at underage levels with the county before concentrating on boxing.
In March, he ended rival Wayne Elcock’s British title reign with a third round KO, and then in September he followed that up with a sensational, first-round destruction of former European champ Asikainen. The impressive double has seen Macklin shoot up the world rankings and he is now rated fourth with the WBO, fifth with the IBF and eighth with the WBC.
“My mum is from Tipperary and my dad is from Roscommon. In our house Gaelic games were the big sports when I was growing up and I suppose dad generated the interest in me from an early age.
“Every Sunday in Birmingham I headed off with my dad and played at underage levels. Sean McDermotts was my club from a young age and dad was heavily involved in everything there.
“In fact I had started playing hurling and football even before I began to play soccer.
“I suppose that would have been a bit unusual for a boy growing up in Birmingham. But I’ve always considered myself to be Irish and didn’t play soccer until I was seven or eight years old.
“I’d always hit around with a hurley from the age of two or three, and when I was five I could do things with a hurley stick that kids in Ireland couldn’t even do.
“Every summer holidays I’d go over to Ireland and down to Four Roads (Roscommon), and at Christmas too, so it felt very natural for me to be playing football or hurling as we were part of a very close-knit Irish community.
“Then one summer, when my dad was working on the Channel Tunnel, we went down to Dover for the summer holidays and stayed in this caravan park close to where he was located on the tunnel. The people who were next door to us in the same park came from Ballingarry in Tipperary.
“They had a son who was mad into hurling and my dad, even though Roscommon is a football place, was also interested because Four Roads is a big hurling area.
“I made friends there with Keith and we soon became best friends.
“Whenever I went over to Thurles during the summer holidays, I’d stay six or seven weeks and spend time in Ballingarry, where I also played hurling with the club. I was selected for the Tony Forristal Under-14 tournament for Tipperary at wing back, but I had already played for Warwickshire that year in the Féile na nGael and you couldn’t play for two counties in the one year, so that was the end of that.
“Even in England all the videos of the big matches in Ireland used to be sent over to us and we’d watch all of them. I marked Eoin Kelly at under-12 and under-14s and we remain really close friends now.
“Eoin now is one of the big names on the Tipperary senior team. He’s been a fantastic player with them for years. Other big names in Tipperary hurling like John Leahy and Nicky English were heroes of mine when I was growing up in the 90s. I know Leahy well.
“In 1997 I played under-16 for Tipperary. It was like a tournament format over a weekend and we played against three teams. We met Cork down in Riverstick as well as Limerick and Waterford and I’ve great memories of it. I came over to Ireland for the Munster final this year and I still try to watch as much as I can.
“I couldn’t get to the All-Ireland final this year because I was training for the European title fight and I wanted to stick to my normal routine in the gym. Otherwise I would have come over.
“We can see all of the matches on RTÉ anyway, so it is no problem keeping in touch with what is going on.
“Also I still have a lot of family around Four Roads as my dad’s two sisters live there and my grandmother, Margaret. I know a lot of people in Ireland, most of them involved with GAA, and now also boxing as well.”
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/8403896.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/8403896.stm).
"Heavyweight title fights should be huge events, not an after-thought in a country most famous for producing Toblerones."
- Haye's getting better at this trash talking lark. I'd love to see Floyd try and come up with something like that!
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Rogie wants to fight David Haye when he recovers from injury. He said that Haye told him when he won the world title, Rogie would get a shot. Even mentioned Croke Park. Also still very bitter towards Sam Sexton. Called him a punk, and said he couldn't put a crowd in a chip shop :D
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Rogie wants to fight David Haye when he recovers from injury. He said that Haye told him when he won the world title, Rogie would get a shot. Even mentioned Croke Park. Also still very bitter towards Sam Sexton. Called him a punk, and said he couldn't put a crowd in a chip shop :D
I would say he does alright, a last payday. No chance.
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Don't knock Rogie.
I would argue that Martin at his best could take Ali! (Even though Ali is 69 and has debilitating health problems).
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Floyd Mayweather's fight with Manny Pacquiao in doubt
Floyd Mayweather Jr's camp claim the American's planned super fight with Manny Pacquiao is now "in jeopardy".
Mayweather and the Filipino star were close to agreeing a 13 March meeting.
But the American's camp say they have been told by Pacquiao's promoters that he will not agree to blood-testing in the 30 days prior to the fight.
"He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight," said Mayweather associate Richard Schaefer.
"It is unfortunate to hear this from Manny Pacquiao's representatives, particularly since, as of today, both parties had worked out all other issues related to this fight."
Unbeaten Mayweather's management want both men - regarded as the best pound-for-pound fighters in the world - to submit to blood-testing prior to the bout, to ensure both men are clean.
Schaefer, who is chief executive of Golden Boy Promotions, added: "Todd (DuBoef, president of Pacquiao's promoters Top Rank) told me that Pacquiao has difficulty with taking blood and doesn't want to do it so close to the fight."
Mayweather, 32, urged 31-year-old Pacquiao to agree to the blood testing.
"I understand Pacquiao not liking having his blood taken, because frankly I don't know anyone who really does," said Mayweather.
"But in a fight of this magnitude, I think it is our responsibility to subject ourselves to sportsmanship at the highest level."
The welterweight fight, which would be the richest of all time, had widely been expected to be formalised this week, with an official announcement on 6 January.
It was expected to be held at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas.
The Staples Center in Los Angeles, home of the NBA's Lakers was also touted as a possible venue and representatives of the New Orleans Superdome were also said to be interested in hosting arguably the biggest fight since the turn of the century.
Filipino Pacquiao became a five-weight world champion following his WBO welterweight title win over Miguel Cotto in November, while Las Vegas-based Mayweather returned from a 21-month retirement to beat Mexican Juan Manuel Marquez in September.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/8427743.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/8427743.stm)
There is always some sort of difficulty with Pacman when arranging fights.
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Rogie wants to fight David Haye when he recovers from injury. He said that Haye told him when he won the world title, Rogie would get a shot. Even mentioned Croke Park. Also still very bitter towards Sam Sexton. Called him a punk, and said he couldn't put a crowd in a chip shop :D
I would say he does alright, a last payday. No chance.
Another fight with Audley Harrison would be a more realistic target for a final payday for Rogie I would have thought.
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Mayweather's fight with Pacquiao is off. Couldn't agree terms regarding this blood testing.
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Mayweather Pacquiao fight definately off. Pacquiao confirmed he will be fighting Joshua Clottey in March instead. Surely Mayweather is the only option for Pacquiao to fight, if he wants to be tested and be considered one of the greatest. Does blood testing so close to a fight have such an impact on a fighter. Hopefully it will happen later in the year.
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If there is one thing I hate about the sport of boxing is that there is no guarantee that you will see the big fights happening. This blood testing wasn't a big deal in past fights these two were involved in. Does Mayweather always look for this when he fights or is he just looking for excuses so as not to fight. I read else where that Pacquiao does not want to be having blood tests so close to the fight as it will sap his strength.
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he certainly aint going for easy fights. Clottey isn't in Mayweather's class but is a tank with an excellent chin, who gave Cotto hell. Pacman obviously ate Cotto up but Clottey has a better engine and should make the fight interesting, although he is likely to absorb a lot of punishment for what will surely be his biggest payday.
Re the postpontment of Pacman and PBF, seems Mayweather is insisting on something which is never done. Pacman's stated excuse however I think is poor - it's not like he is being asked to give a pint of blood. Seems to be mind games on PBF's part and Pacman just doesn't want to give him even that.
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Is Mayewather dodging the fight? He has it all to lose, he was pound for pound the best in the world before he retired, very few World Champions can say they finished unbeaten, he is one of the biggest names of the last 20 years, he loses and there goes his unbeaten record which I'm sure he holds so dearly.
On the other hand you have Pacquiao who would be the big underdog if the two were to meet, he has nothing to lose, he has been beaten and come back. He may be regarded as the pound for pound best in the world after Mayweather retired but most people will not be expecting him to win this fight. The man has nothing to lose but if he were to win, only then could he be considered one of the all time greats.
Just why is Mayweather insisting on this blood testing if it is not the norm? Is he scared if Pacman.
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I think the only reason Mayweather came back was to get a shot at Pacquiao. With Mayweather not about, Pacquiao was getting all the headlines and pound for pound best fighter around, after beating De La Hoya and Hatton, like Mayweather did. The same happened when Hatton wanted a shot at Mayweather, he wanted the fight and was put in his place. It's not as if he needs the money. He wanted the fight, thought he had the fight, so can't see him pulling out now just because he is afraid of Pacquiao. Probably just mind games as was mentioned earlier.
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I think the only reason Mayweather came back was to get a shot at Pacquiao. With Mayweather not about, Pacquiao was getting all the headlines and pound for pound best fighter around, after beating De La Hoya and Hatton, like Mayweather did. The same happened when Hatton wanted a shot at Mayweather, he wanted the fight and was put in his place. It's not as if he needs the money. He wanted the fight, thought he had the fight, so can't see him pulling out now just because he is afraid of Pacquiao. Probably just mind games as was mentioned earlier.
Mayweather is a coward plain and simple. He's undercooked and he knows it. Pac-man would have punched the chops off him in March. I look forward to Pac-man putting Mayweather in his box. Mayweather has a track record of avoiding people - Pacman will get him and I'm looking forward to him putting a sock in Mayweather's big mouth. Pacman has world titles at 5 different weight divisons.
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I think the only reason Mayweather came back was to get a shot at Pacquiao. With Mayweather not about, Pacquiao was getting all the headlines and pound for pound best fighter around, after beating De La Hoya and Hatton, like Mayweather did. The same happened when Hatton wanted a shot at Mayweather, he wanted the fight and was put in his place. It's not as if he needs the money. He wanted the fight, thought he had the fight, so can't see him pulling out now just because he is afraid of Pacquiao. Probably just mind games as was mentioned earlier.
Mayweather is a coward plain and simple. He's undercooked and he knows it. Pac-man would have punched the chops off him in March. I look forward to Pac-man putting Mayweather in his box. Mayweather has a track record of avoiding people - Pacman will get him and I'm looking forward to him putting a sock in Mayweather's big mouth. Pacman has world titles at 5 different weight divisons.
Mayweather has 6 titles at 5 levels.
Will be an interesting fight if it does happen, too close to call.
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I think the only reason Mayweather came back was to get a shot at Pacquiao. With Mayweather not about, Pacquiao was getting all the headlines and pound for pound best fighter around, after beating De La Hoya and Hatton, like Mayweather did. The same happened when Hatton wanted a shot at Mayweather, he wanted the fight and was put in his place. It's not as if he needs the money. He wanted the fight, thought he had the fight, so can't see him pulling out now just because he is afraid of Pacquiao. Probably just mind games as was mentioned earlier.
Mayweather is a coward plain and simple. He's undercooked and he knows it. Pac-man would have punched the chops off him in March. I look forward to Pac-man putting Mayweather in his box. Mayweather has a track record of avoiding people - Pacman will get him and I'm looking forward to him putting a sock in Mayweather's big mouth. Pacman has world titles at 5 different weight divisons.
Mayweather has 6 titles at 5 levels.
Will be an interesting fight if it does happen, too close to call.
Mayweather needs at least 2 fights before Pacman. and he knows it. But the blood testing thing is just a smokescreen to get the fight off which it now is.
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Indiana IMHO you're talking rubbish. Mayweather isn't scared at all, and as I mentioned I believe it is just mindgames. I don't think he need the tuneups either as he is ALWAYS in shape and has always been regarded as meticulous in his preparations to the extent that he is among the best conditioned fighters in the game.
To suggest Pacquiao would punch the chops off him suggests you haven't seen many of PBF's fights - he barely gets hit and after 12years at the top of the game he doesn't has a mark on him. He fought DLH when at the time no one would have suggested than Manny hit anywhere near as hard as DLH - prior to Manny v DLH the vast majority of people thought that if DLH connected it would be lights out. Admittedly after watching Manny's last few fights he has obviously carried his power up the divisions.
THere wasn't a doubt in my mind that PBF won that fight against a much stronger man. Pacman whilst maybe not as strong will certainly be a different (and more difficult) opponent due to his speed and movement. Certainly I don't discount the possibility of him winning, and possibly by knockout, but find it very hard to believe it will be a one sided fight in either direction. At the bookies PBF may be favourite, although not sure, but even if he is Pacman will be the livest of slight underdogs.
Until the emergence of Pacman over the last couple of years PBF would have gone down as the best fighter of his generation, better than RJJ and the best defensive boxer since at least Pernell Whitaker. Even if he beats Manny, Manny may still ultimately be ranked above him in the pantheon given the names he has beaten as he has moved through the divisions but I think ultimately PBF will want to try and dispel that and will want to take him on - defintely don't think he is running scared and that the fight will happen at some stage.
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I think the only reason Mayweather came back was to get a shot at Pacquiao. With Mayweather not about, Pacquiao was getting all the headlines and pound for pound best fighter around, after beating De La Hoya and Hatton, like Mayweather did. The same happened when Hatton wanted a shot at Mayweather, he wanted the fight and was put in his place. It's not as if he needs the money. He wanted the fight, thought he had the fight, so can't see him pulling out now just because he is afraid of Pacquiao. Probably just mind games as was mentioned earlier.
Mayweather is a coward plain and simple. He's undercooked and he knows it. Pac-man would have punched the chops off him in March. I look forward to Pac-man putting Mayweather in his box. Mayweather has a track record of avoiding people - Pacman will get him and I'm looking forward to him putting a sock in Mayweather's big mouth. Pacman has world titles at 5 different weight divisons.
Bit harsh. Whatever about his personality and attitude, he's a supreme boxer.
Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, Judah, Baldomir, De la Hoya, Hatton, Marquez?
I wouldn't call that ducking. The only missing names really are Margarito (cheat), Cotto (more than likely traumatised after Pac-man), Mosley and Paul Williams.
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Margarito was the most overrated fighter in and around that division, haven't seen too much of Williams, in facr only one I saw was a shocking performance against a much smaller Kiwi (and smaller not just cos Williams is a freak, but lower weight class). After seeing that, couldn't believe he was being touted as pound for pound material a couple years later - I guess everyone can have their off nights though.
He should definitely have fought Mosley and should still I think, if he wants to go down as being as good as he actually is, whilst would also have liked to see him fight Cotto. The clamour to fight Pacquiao should be remembered that is relatively new - at the time of his retirement Pacquiao was in lower division and not many people were calling for that fight. When Pacman talked about fighting DLH initially he was laughed at.
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Gallsman, I wouldnt give PBF too much credit for fighting Gatti, Baldomir or Hatton. Not even close to being in his league despite what the English press would have had you believe about Hatton, and the Sky commentary team. I seem to remember George Kimball writing prior to that fight saying that Hatton hadn't a snowballs chance in hell.
Rather than Hatton he should have fought Cotto or Mosley, and for me personally that will always be held against him, unless he beats Pacman and Mosely (I never thought Cotto would present the same dangers as Mosely despite Cotto beating him)
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http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2010/0109/iaba.html
Congrats to the Geesala boxing club in mayo who won the club of the year and the award for coaches of the year at the IABA awards last weekend. Some achievement for a tiny rural club.
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Roach really rates Mosley- would have thought that would have been the next fight for Pacquiao instead of Clottey.
There's not much time for Pacman or PBF to fight Mosley now, he's 38 which is extremely old for a welterweight, its a testament to him how good he still is. I think Paul Williams is moving up to middleweight to fight Pavlik, it would be hard for him to come all the way back down to welter to fight PBF or Pacman after putting on so much muscle, so I hope Mosley is on the cards for PBF. PBF would comfortably beat him on points IMO and it would be good for his legacy.
He many of course want to fight Cotto, who would provide a decent opponent but is probably shot at this stage. I feel sorry for him with what happened v Margarito. I heard Freddy Roach saying Margaritio and/or his corner should be charged with attempted murder for what they did- I find it hard to disagree with that, definitely should face criminal charges of some description.
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Mosley now, he's 38 which is extremely old for a welterweight, its a testament to him how good he still is.
Or maybe its the drugs that are keeping him in shape ;)
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Gallsman, I wouldnt give PBF too much credit for fighting Gatti, Baldomir or Hatton. Not even close to being in his league despite what the English press would have had you believe about Hatton, and the Sky commentary team. I seem to remember George Kimball writing prior to that fight saying that Hatton hadn't a snowballs chance in hell.
Rather than Hatton he should have fought Cotto or Mosley, and for me personally that will always be held against him, unless he beats Pacman and Mosely (I never thought Cotto would present the same dangers as Mosely despite Cotto beating him)
Perhaps not in his league, but they were all world champions and they were fights that people wanted to see made. Having made a mockery of fighting Judah after Baldomir beat him, he had to fight him as well. Gatti was tough as nails and fighting Hatton was admittedly a money spinner. At the same time however, Hatton was undefeated and had just demolished Castillo, who gave Mayweather plenty of problems in both their fights.
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Gallsman, I wouldnt give PBF too much credit for fighting Gatti, Baldomir or Hatton. Not even close to being in his league despite what the English press would have had you believe about Hatton, and the Sky commentary team. I seem to remember George Kimball writing prior to that fight saying that Hatton hadn't a snowballs chance in hell.
Rather than Hatton he should have fought Cotto or Mosley, and for me personally that will always be held against him, unless he beats Pacman and Mosely (I never thought Cotto would present the same dangers as Mosely despite Cotto beating him)
Perhaps not in his league, but they were all world champions and they were fights that people wanted to see made. Having made a mockery of fighting Judah after Baldomir beat him, he had to fight him as well. Gatti was tough as nails and fighting Hatton was admittedly a money spinner. At the same time however, Hatton was undefeated and had just demolished Castillo, who gave Mayweather plenty of problems in both their fights.
Castillo was a shadow of his former self by the time Hatton KO'd him. In reality looking back now Hatton had only one really notable win - Kostya Tszyu.
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Speaking of Hatton, he has confirmed he will fight again this year. Rumoured to be Juan Manuel Marquez. Could be fighting again at the City stadium or in Vegas. I'd imagine if it was his last, he would want it in Manchester.
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Hatton would really have to start dieting now - I was shocked at how heavy he is in recent pictures - he really let himself go. Still a great lad and from all reports a real people's man with time for everyone but if you are going to remain competitive in professional boxing your weight cannot yo-yo 40 pounds between fights.
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Mayweather Mosley looking more and more likely after Berto pulls out of fight with Sugar Shane due to the Haiti earthquake (lost family members).
Not happy circumstances but great fight. Let's get it on!
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Hatton would really have to start dieting now - I was shocked at how heavy he is in recent pictures - he really let himself go. Still a great lad and from all reports a real people's man with time for everyone but if you are going to remain competitive in professional boxing your weight cannot yo-yo 40 pounds between fights.
Seen him in Dicey's is Dublin over the summer, if you knew nothing about boxing and someone told you that he was a professional boxer you would laugh at them, a wee tub, drinking numerous pints of guinness.
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http://www.fightnews.com/?p=35626 (http://www.fightnews.com/?p=35626)
“Ireland’s” John Duddy made an impressive return to Madison Square Garden, annihilating Juan Astorga in round one. The inaptly nick-named “Aztec Warrior” took a knee a minute into the first round after Duddy (28-1, 18 KOs) bounced a right hand off his head. A left hook to the body a few seconds later dropped Astorga (14-4-1, 9 KOs) again, and this time referee Wayne Kelly waived off the bout at 1:55 seconds of round one.
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No harm to John Duddy,and i hope he proves me wrong ,but he is not world title material and i don't think he ever will be.
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Duddy is only there to milk the Irish American money in MSG
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Duddy is only there to milk the Irish American money in MSG
fair f**ks to him hes makin a livin out of it, and hes is a good lad
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Duddy is only there to milk the Irish American money in MSG
fair f**ks to him hes makin a livin out of it, and hes is a good lad
I agree fair play to the fella.
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Paul "DUDEY" Mc Closkey to Defend the European Lightwelter in Belfast in March ;)
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Duddy is only there to milk the Irish American money in MSG
fair f**ks to him hes makin a livin out of it, and hes is a good lad
I agree fair play to the fella.
I would agree too. It's his job to fight where and who he is told to. Luckily for him he makes much more money than any other boxer with his limited skills. He will never be a world beater but will probably get paid as much if not more than someone who is.
Calling someone a poor boxer is not saying they are a bad person. The lad just isn't all he is is made out to be in the ring.
Anyone with half a notion about boxing can see that
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any links for the Brian Magee fight?
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Good man. I'd forgotten about that.
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Over.
7th Round.
Magee.
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Just to double check - Brian won?
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Just to double check - Brian won?
He did.
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Just to double check - Brian won?
He did.
Good stuff - he deserves it! - as a fighter he has always had skill, guts and perseverance... They will be dancing on the streets of Lagmore and Turf Lodge tonight!
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That was a very good win for Magee,fair play to him.
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Boxing thread has been dead for nearly a month so heres big Fraudley to liven it up with another comedy skit...
Audley Harrison sets sights on Klitschko brothers
Audley Harrison says he will target the Klitschko brothers if he manages to dethrone European heavyweight champion Albert Sosnowski in London on 9 April.
Harrison, 38, added that he is not interested in fighting WBA heavyweight champion and fellow Briton David Haye.
"No disrespect to David Haye, but no-one is talking about David Haye," said Harrison, an Olympic champion in 2000.
"They're all talking about the Klitschkos, so if I beat Albert, I want the Klitschkos."
Vitali Klitschko is the current WBC heavyweight champion, while his younger brother Wladimir owns the IBF and WBO belts. Either one is expected to fight Haye later this year if Haye defeats John Ruiz in April.
However, Harrison, who won promoter Barry Hearn's Prizefighter tournament last October to keep his career afloat, admitted that defeat to his Polish opponent at Alexandra Palace would end his career.
He said: "All I'm interested in at the moment is Albert Sosnowski and he will not give up that belt easily. The worst thing I could do is look past Albert. If I can't get past him then there's nothing in the future."
Harrison won gold in the super-heavyweight division at the Sydney Olympics, but four defeats in eight fights left his career in the balance before Prizefighter offered him a route back.
But Harrison admits he nearly walked away from the sport and almost gave up on his oft-stated dream of winning a world title.
"I have a personal mission to be a world champion. Call me delusional or crazy but I call it reality," added Harrison.
"When my contract with the BBC ended [in 2003] I lost my feel for boxing and the passion for boxing died. I left England and almost didn't want to box as I was that disheartened - you saw that in my performances.
"I was a shell and I had no desire. I was a totally broken man and it took a long time to recover from that. It took a lot of soul-searching and I asked myself what I wanted to do and I said to myself I wanted to achieve my goals.
"I had to lick my wounds and go back to the drawing board. Ability gets you to the top but character keeps you there.
"I had certain characteristic flaws but it's been part of my learning and journey. I wasn't ready to be the next Lennox Lewis in 2004 and it was almost a blessing that I lost as I had a chance to grow through adversity.
"I've been through so much in my career but I'm still here, still believing, still persevering and that's what character is. My moment of destiny is really close but I have a real obstacle in front of me.
"If he beats me to a pulp then I will know it's over. If Albert Sosnowski beats Audley Harrison fair and square then there will be no excuses as I'm 100% physically, mentally and spiritually ready to win.
"I want to get my London fans in their St George's T-shirts and I want to get nostalgic and hear chants of 'Audley', 'Audley', 'Audley'.
"I want to hear the fans of boxing, the fans of Audley, the fans of perseverance and the fans of overcoming adversity and get back to boxing."
Sosnowski, who is based in Brentwood, Essex, but originally hails from Warsaw, claimed the title with an emphatic points victory over Italian Paolo Vidoz in December.
But the 30-year-old is best known for a shock stoppage win against Harrison's long-term rival and current British champion Danny Williams in 2008.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/8528898.stm
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How the fcuk is Audley still getting coverage or even being allowed talked about alongside profressional boxers.
Haye ain't great but he'd beat the hell outta Audley
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Duddy is only there to milk the Irish American money in MSG
fair f**ks to him hes makin a livin out of it, and hes is a good lad
I agree fair play to the fella.
I would agree too. It's his job to fight where and who he is told to. Luckily for him he makes much more money than any other boxer with his limited skills. He will never be a world beater but will probably get paid as much if not more than someone who is.
Calling someone a poor boxer is not saying they are a bad person. The lad just isn't all he is is made out to be in the ring.
Anyone with half a notion about boxing can see that
how in sweet jesus is he a 'poor' boxer? The chap is ranked in the top 10 with the WBO, WBC, IBF etc... where in these rankings of the best pro boxers in the world does the description 'poor' kick in?. anyone outside the top 5 pro boxers in the world? the top 3? enlighten me please
as for milking the Irish american money in the MSG...get a life!
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Not sure what provoked that reaction OGorman. You could argue Duddy is a decent fighter but id hazard a guess that iceman was saying he was a poor boxer as in his boxing skills. And from that point of view he is limited.
Even in his most recent victories he has taken a lot of punishment because of his defence or lack of it. You just have to see his face after a fight. Also this is just against mediocre opposition. You would dread to see the punishment he would take from Pavlik, etc.
Regarding your point about his ranking, Duddy has fallen out of all the top 15 middleweight rankings.
In terms of his pound for pound ranking he wouldnt make top 100 in the world.No disrespect to him because he is a brave and tough fighter and is a complete gentleman. He owes his fans nothing.
As for milking the money, of course he made the majority of his money from irish-american support in MSG! Its a pro boxers job to maximise his appeal, he is making a living just as anyone else would!!
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Boxing thread has been dead for nearly a month so heres big Fraudley to liven it up with another comedy skit...
Audley Harrison sets sights on Klitschko brothers
Audley Harrison says he will target the Klitschko brothers if he manages to dethrone European heavyweight champion Albert Sosnowski in London on 9 April.
Harrison, 38, added that he is not interested in fighting WBA heavyweight champion and fellow Briton David Haye.
"No disrespect to David Haye, but no-one is talking about David Haye," said Harrison, an Olympic champion in 2000.
"They're all talking about the Klitschkos, so if I beat Albert, I want the Klitschkos."
Vitali Klitschko is the current WBC heavyweight champion, while his younger brother Wladimir owns the IBF and WBO belts. Either one is expected to fight Haye later this year if Haye defeats John Ruiz in April.
However, Harrison, who won promoter Barry Hearn's Prizefighter tournament last October to keep his career afloat, admitted that defeat to his Polish opponent at Alexandra Palace would end his career.
He said: "All I'm interested in at the moment is Albert Sosnowski and he will not give up that belt easily. The worst thing I could do is look past Albert. If I can't get past him then there's nothing in the future."
Harrison won gold in the super-heavyweight division at the Sydney Olympics, but four defeats in eight fights left his career in the balance before Prizefighter offered him a route back.
But Harrison admits he nearly walked away from the sport and almost gave up on his oft-stated dream of winning a world title.
"I have a personal mission to be a world champion. Call me delusional or crazy but I call it reality," added Harrison.
"When my contract with the BBC ended [in 2003] I lost my feel for boxing and the passion for boxing died. I left England and almost didn't want to box as I was that disheartened - you saw that in my performances.
"I was a shell and I had no desire. I was a totally broken man and it took a long time to recover from that. It took a lot of soul-searching and I asked myself what I wanted to do and I said to myself I wanted to achieve my goals.
"I had to lick my wounds and go back to the drawing board. Ability gets you to the top but character keeps you there.
"I had certain characteristic flaws but it's been part of my learning and journey. I wasn't ready to be the next Lennox Lewis in 2004 and it was almost a blessing that I lost as I had a chance to grow through adversity.
"I've been through so much in my career but I'm still here, still believing, still persevering and that's what character is. My moment of destiny is really close but I have a real obstacle in front of me.
"If he beats me to a pulp then I will know it's over. If Albert Sosnowski beats Audley Harrison fair and square then there will be no excuses as I'm 100% physically, mentally and spiritually ready to win.
"I want to get my London fans in their St George's T-shirts and I want to get nostalgic and hear chants of 'Audley', 'Audley', 'Audley'.
"I want to hear the fans of boxing, the fans of Audley, the fans of perseverance and the fans of overcoming adversity and get back to boxing."
Sosnowski, who is based in Brentwood, Essex, but originally hails from Warsaw, claimed the title with an emphatic points victory over Italian Paolo Vidoz in December.
But the 30-year-old is best known for a shock stoppage win against Harrison's long-term rival and current British champion Danny Williams in 2008.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/8528898.stm
Seen that yesterday. Wild man Audley :D :D The highlighted bit is my favourite. What's the Pole like? Does Fraudley have any chance? Is this fight on Sky?
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If the Pole can even lace up a pair of gloves,then Audley is in big trouble.
I shudder to think what either Klitschko would do to Harrison.
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Quiet on the Pacman / Clottey fight tonight? Foregone conclusion for Pacman?? Clottley could cause problems, he is one big big welterweight and in my opinion was robbed of the decision against Cotto.
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Manny on points for me. He won't have the power to fell Clottey but it should be a straightforward victory due Mannys speed (foot & hand) and Clotteys 'peekaboo' defensive style. I'm assuming Duddy is the first televised undercard fight tonight. He'l no doubt make a meal out of a shite mexican fighter, but it could be entertaining. I'm looking forward to seeing Humberto Soto in the chief support fight, a class act!
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Under card fights, tasty enough looking ties:
The first of the fights will be John Duddy vs Michael Medina, this light middleweight bout sees Duddy as the strong favorite, currently he has just one loss to his record.
The next fight will be Alfonso Gomez vs Jose Luis Castillo, people may remember Alfonso Gomez from the first series of the TV Show ‘The Contender’, he currently holds the WBC Continental Americas Welterweight title and is the favorite for this fight, some sources are claiming that this is a title fight, however currently it is unclear.
The final undercard fight will be Humberto Soto vs David Diaz, this fight is scheduled for 12 rounds and will be for the the currently vacant WBC lightweight title, Soto is the current favorite for this fight at around 1-6, whereas Diaz is at around 4-1.
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anyone know any internet links to free streaming?
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Middleweight John Duddy (29-1, 18 KOs) scored a workmanlike ten round split decision over Michael Medina (22-2-2, 17 KOs). Scores were 96-93, 96-93 for Duddy, 96-93 for Medina, who was deducted a point for a low blow at the end of round eight. Duddy is now in line for a showdown with Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
http://atdhe.net/8921/watch-manny-pacquiao-vs-joshua-clottey (http://atdhe.net/8921/watch-manny-pacquiao-vs-joshua-clottey)
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Thats duddy fighting in yankee stadium in july,on the cotti bill
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Clottey was really dissapointing Saturday night. he definately had a bit of power behind him to hurt Pacman but he never went for it at all, very frustrating to see. You may has well have been knocked out trying to win the fight than stand with your gloves covering your face and throwing the odd punch now and again. Poor stuff from Clottley, made for a one sided affair.
Duddy is not that good and i reckon would get tore apart by a really world class fighter. Why does he continue to fight nobodies??
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Pacman was outstanding aswell tbf but i agree Clotty was very dissapointing. I really hope Floyd and Pacman can get a fight sorted sometime this year.
Lee, Duddy, Dunne, etc all very average fighters hyped up to the balls by Irish mediia. We are as bad as the English for hyping up our own!!
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Duddy is not that good and i reckon would get tore apart by a really world class fighter. Why does he continue to fight nobodies??
Because he is a cash cow for his promoters and fills MSG with stupid Irish (kilt wearing) Americans who think Corned Beef is the meat of choice in Ireland and every one has ginger hair
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Americans who think Corned Beef is the meat of choice in Ireland and every one has ginger hair
begorrah, seems entirely reasonable to me, and top of the morning to ya
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Duddy has no great power from what I can see plus he has poor defence to be a 'world chempion', he was lucky yer man did not go for broke earlier on Sat night as when he let fly in the last Duddy was under pressure.
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Pacman was outstanding aswell tbf but i agree Clotty was very dissapointing. I really hope Floyd and Pacman can get a fight sorted sometime this year.
Lee, Duddy, Dunne, etc all very average fighters hyped up to the balls by Irish mediia. We are as bad as the English for hyping up our own!!
While true to a large extent with Duddy and Dunne, Lee is a quality boxer. The Vera fight was a complete and utter shock and while I don't think he'll ever be able to mix it with the likes of Pavlik, he's probably our best hope of a true world champion since Collins.
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Americans who think Corned Beef is the meat of choice in Ireland and every one has ginger hair
begorrah, seems entirely reasonable to me, and top of the morning to ya
We should write a book and dispel all the myths!
The funny thing now is that "real" Irish people are not as accepted anymore because we don't fit the stereotypical view Americans have.
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Anyone know why the international between ireland and italy in belfast over the weekend was called off?
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The italians withdrew because their best boxer lost two bouts in a few days. They claim bias judges as their boxer 'could not lose to opponents of lower class', while the Irish claim sour grapes.
Might be a bad year for Chianti.
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anyone hear that andrew murray was due to box in belfast shortly and if so, when?
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/8575568.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/8575568.stm)
With Mayweather agreeing to this new drug testing procedure, surely it's now up to Pacquiao to agree to the same to show he's not hiding anything and give us the fight we all want to see.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/8575568.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/8575568.stm)
With Mayweather agreeing to this new drug testing procedure, surely it's now up to Pacquiao to agree to the same to show he's not hiding anything and give us the fight we all want to see.
Mayweather has to beat Sugar shane first which will not be easy. Sugar Shane is a dangerous opinion and fully believes he can beat mayweather. Will be interesting to see what kind of gameplan Mosley goes into the fight with, wouldnt be overly surprised if he pulled off a win.
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Very impressive display last night by Belfast boxer Martin Lindsay. the boy has a bit of class about him, hope he can get a European title challenge shortly and then who knows after that. With Bernard Dunne retiring he could be the next big thing in irish boxing??
Martin Lindsay retained his British featherweight title with a comprehensive points victory over Jamie Arthur in Leigh.
The Ulsterman dominated the fight from the opening bell, decking the challenger twice in the second round, as he moved a step closer to a European title challenge.
Underdog Arthur proved to be a worthy contender but his commitment and ambition was not enough to deal with the class of the champion, who will wonder how his opponent made it through the 12 rounds.
Lindsay, now 16-0, established himself in the opening three minutes but stunned Arthur in the second round with a right hand that dropped the challenger.
Arthur came back swinging but was caught again shortly afterwards by another right hook and the champion appeared to be in for a short night's work.
Reckless
Lindsay came out in the third looking to finish the job but he was perhaps more reckless than he needed to be and failed to land the killer blow.
To his credit, Arthur held his ground and continued to get his shots off, even though they rarely penetrated Lindsay's tight guard.
However, he probably took the fourth on work-rate alone as Lindsay appeared to be reverting to a different plan to get the Wales-based fighter out early.
But Arthur's method of attack became somewhat predictable and the 30-year-old didn't look like troubling the champion, despite his honest endeavour.
Lindsay enjoyed tremendous success in the seventh with great combinations that had Arthur reeling on the ropes, while two crunching left hooks later in the round left the challenger in doubt who was the boss.
By that time it was a question of whether Arthur would make it to the final bell, and in the end he deserved to do so after taking more of Lindsay's clinical combinations.
Heroic
The challenger was cut over the right eye in the penultimate round giving referee Richie Davies some cause for concern, but the heroic Arthur was allowed to hear the final bell, after which the judges gave Lindsay the win by scores of 118-108, 117-110 and 119-08.
"I always felt in control but you could see how fit Jamie was there and you could see what this meant to him," Lindsay told Sky Sports.
"I think the knockdown came a bit too soon and I started to go for the knockout, I got carried away, but I'm glad a went 12 rounds because I've been a bit inactive the last year or two.
"All credit to Jamie Arthur, he showed tremendous heart there.
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I see Barney Eastwood has a book out, might be worth reading. The man has been involved in sport for over 60 years from Tyrone Minors in 1947 right through to his boxing management career and the highs and lows of managing Barry McGuigan. Then to cap it all Ladbrokes give him a £150m retirement cheque.
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What time is the Haye fight on?
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What time is the Haye fight on?
Thought it was supposed to be 10
http://www.atdhe.net/
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Some 1st round with Ruiz down twice, he did well to last it
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Good performance by Haye, but Sky would sicken you with their glowing praise
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Comfortable Haye victory. Nasty rabbit punch he threw for the second knockdown.
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i see it has been announced that John Duddy will fight Julio Cesar Chavez Jnr on the 26th of June in San Antonio.
make or break time for john boy, if he ever wants to share a ring with Kelly Pavlik, he has to win.
Sure Duddy will get great support as usual but considering san antonio is so close to the mexican border and the date of the 26th of june is sandwiched by two mexican holidays i'd expect the mexicans to heavily out number the irish.
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Chavez may not be the force he once was but I think Duddy is way too open for a ( Possibly former ) top class fighter like Chavez. Chavez will probably stop him.
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Chavez may not be the force he once was but I think Duddy is way too open for a ( Possibly former ) top class fighter like Chavez. Chavez will probably stop him.
What on earth are you talking about? You realise this is the son we're talking, not the legend?
Chavez Jnr. is a donkey.
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Chavez jnr is a pretty average fighter who has already got a few dodgy decisions in his career, obviously down to the money men looking to exploit the name.
Both fighters are not world class but Chavez jnr is a class above anything Andy lee has shared a ring with lately and to suggest he is Irelands best hope of a world Champion is nonsense. He will be beaten by the next good fighter he fights. McCloskey, Macklin, lyndey all good become world champion if the right fights come their way. Problem is getting the right chance and not the first one that comes their way.
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Holy Ghost!! Anyone just see Fraudley Harrison just then?? Getting beaten by Sprott by a few rounds and then in the 12th round A-Force throws an unbelievable left to knock Sprott spark out. He is a shocking boxer but that was an unreal punch to be fair to him!!
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Not a fan but showed guts fighting with one arm for 10 rounds, took some decent shots as well. Brutal KO from a peach of a punch
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Holy Ghost!! Anyone just see Fraudley Harrison just then?? Getting beaten by Sprott by a few rounds and then in the 12th round A-Force throws an unbelievable left to knock Sprott spark out. He is a shocking boxer but that was an unreal punch to be fair to him!!
Tremendous KO but he was minutes way from being beaten by Sprott yet again. He just got lucky. Or Sprott got sloppy. It might be enough to get him a big fight though but hard to see him troubling anyone serious including Haye.
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It's very hard to judge him on that fight when fighting with one hand. I don't think he can be criticised for yesterdays performance, he found a way to win and showed heart that everyone doubted he had.
On previous form he is too gun shy to be taken seriously.
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Unbeaten champion Edwin Valero has committed suicide in jail just 24 hours after admitting to killing his wife.
The 28-year-old had been staying in a hotel in his native Venezuela when he alerted security in the early hours of Sunday morning that he had stabbed wife Jennifer three times.
Valero, who successfully defended his WBC lightweight title two months ago, was detained by police and had been expected to be charged with the murder.
However, he was found by a fellow inmate on Monday morning having tied his own clothes to a bar of his cell in an attempt to hang himself.
Valero, who was on the verge of the big time following 27 successive stoppage victories, still showed signs of life but authorities were unable to revive him.
The fighter had become a household name in Venezuela but had been in trouble with the law on several occasions, notably last month when he was charged with harassing his wife and threatening medical personnel who treated her at a hospital.
Police arrested Valero following an argument with a doctor and nurse at the hospital, where his wife was being treated for a series of injuries, including a punctured lung and broken ribs.
The Attorney General's Office said a prosecutor had asked a court to order Valero to be jailed but that the judge instead placed him under a restraining order that barred him from going near his wife, a condition he repeatedly violated.
Clearly the guy is a fuckin nut case, 27 fights, 27 KO's though is impressive record regardless of who he was fighting. There was talk that he was a fight or two away from a shot at a big name ala Mayweather, Pacman. Must have been a nut-bar though, his ruthlessness in the ring seems to have went hand in hand with his personality.
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I know this is a long shot but anybody have a link for watching the kessler vs froch fight online ?
Not paying 14.95 for it !
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http://www.ustream.tv/channel-popup/s2-00000970
Try this, most of them have been taken down though
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Good man !
The commentator sounds like he's from swatragh ... might have to turn down the volume on that.
Thanks again
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Good man !
The commentator sounds like he's from swatragh ... might have to turn down the volume on that.
Thanks again
Nowt wrong with that, my ma's from there.
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Aye right .... next thing you'll be telling me thon blade singin the anthem is a lady of the swaaaa as well
You watchin it ursel ? Who ya fancy ?
I'd say froch will take it on points
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Aye right .... next thing you'll be telling me thon blade singin the anthem is a lady of the swaaaa as well
You watchin it ursel ? Who ya fancy ?
I'd say froch will take it on points
She genuinely is from keady road, swatragh
Froch on points, though maybe late ko, he hits very hard, and kessler looked worn against Ward
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No harm mean't chap
Interesting enough contest so far ... think Kessler had the better start looking quicker and sharper with froch taking the last couple of rounds, froch hasn't been consistently landing but when he has landed he's been effective enough .. few nice combos in the last few rounds
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No harm mean't chap
Interesting enough contest so far ... think Kessler had the better start looking quicker and sharper with froch taking the last couple of rounds, froch hasn't been consistently landing but when he has landed he's been effective enough .. few nice combos in the last few rounds
Not that bothered about swatragh really!!
Froch is the more concussive puncher, but Kessler is moving better and if he keeps going like this the fight is his.
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did your stream just go ?
raging !
If you come across another link could you post one up pls
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It bloody has!!
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http://www.vip--tv.com/vip-1.php
Try this, no sound on mines though ok now
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did your stream just go ?
raging !
If you come across another link could you post one up pls
Yeah mine is gone too. Following it on the live text on the BBC website.
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http://www.justin.tv/gtxpwnz#r=S3mNQlY~
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great last round !
I have that kessler by two
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I'd say you're about right, Kessler has it
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Good fight, scoring was a bit off from two of the judges but right decision all the same.
Prizefighter next friday, that's just a wee warm up to:
Mayweather vs Mosley - should be worth staying up for
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Anyone like to tell us the decision?
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Kessler won by unanimous decision, 117-111, 115-113, 116-112
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cheers
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Froch was very lucky to win his last 3 fights. Not good enough to cut it with the big boys.
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Glad to heat that Froch was beaten,the hateful bollox.
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I liked Froch but of late he has turned into a hateful bollox. He has a real fascination with Joe Calzaghe too.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj7bRSz9fSA
Anyone watch the Williams vs Cintron fight ??
One of the most bizarre ends to a fight i have ever seen ... the good people on HBO have taken away any of the official footage from youtube .. the link i've pasted at the top is the best footage i can find on you tube.
Fight ended in the fourth round with Cintron falling out of the ring (jumped or tripped? I'll let you decide) he was then injured, carried off on a stretcher with doctors saying he couldn't continue.
Under normal rules (ABC) the fight would be called a no decision as the fight didn't go four rounds .. promoters issued these rules before the fight ... then all of a sudden they said (when it was clear that Cintron wasn't going to return to the ring) under californian rules the fight could be called because it had gone 3 rounds ???
Seemed like the people behind the scenes felt they needed to have a winner and decided to use Californian rules (when promoters had issued rules contrary to the californian rules prior to the fight) because it suited them.
There'll be a lot of criticism not only of the decision but also the way the ring was constructed, ropes are supposed to be tied together, that ring looked like it had a bit of paper around it which was suppose to keep the ropes together ::)
Williams is said to have been one of the most avoided fighters over the past couple of years ... that fight will have done nothing to make him appeal to the big fighters (been quite a bit of talk about him and Mayweather) ... poor fight that ended under controversial circumstances and judging by the crowd i saw on tv, lots of empty seats, Williams still doesn't appear to be the sort of draw that will get him the big fights
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Looked like he took a jump. What injury did he sustain which prevented him to return to the ring? Didn't look like he could have done much damage.
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He was stretchered off into an ambulance in a neck brace ... wasn't clear at the time what injury he sustained ... commentators were talking about a possible dislocated shoulder ... i think it was a case that he was seen to have hit his head and should be brought to hospital to get checked out. i didn't think it was all that serious myself but some people think his future career could be in doubt:
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=23795&more=1
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That looked v dodgy. He dived through the ropes. Drogba would have been proud of that one :)
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Pacquaio to have one last fight:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/8677150.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/8677150.stm)
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Just saw this, very interesting indeed. I think it's Pacquiao's move to try and get the upper hand in making the fight happen on his terms.
If he says it's his last fight then the public demand for it to be against Mayweather will be huge. That pressure will then feed down on to Mayweather's people to set aside their demand for drugs testing.
I think the fight has to happen both camps have strong motivations to make it happen.
Mayweather if push came to shove would set aside the drug testing demands due to the $ he could make from the fight
Pacquiao, already a national hero, would be a god like figure if he beat Mayweather and became the undisputed P4P fighter of his generation.
Combine those two motivations i think the fight has to happen, only question is when ... if that article is anything to go by then it looks like it could be November. Here's hoping ....
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any thoughts on whether the cotto foreman fight would be worth going to? I have an option on tickets but they are pricey
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any thoughts on whether the cotto foreman fight would be worth going to? I have an option on tickets but they are pricey
Cotto is pretty top class like and has been in with a lot of good fighters, would definately go see him if I had the chance. All i really know about Foreman is that he is from isreal and think he is Isreals first world boxing champion (i think)
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any thoughts on whether the cotto foreman fight would be worth going to? I have an option on tickets but they are pricey
The time to see Cotto was prior to his fight with Margarito. He's never been the same since. But in fairness who would be the same after having to fight a guy that had the advantage of having some cement in his gloves !
Still worthwhile all the same, fight's in the Yankee stadium isn't it ? That would be an interesting venue for a fight.
Would be interesting to see how Foreman gets on against Cotto, he's by far the biggest name he's ever faced.
If you don't mind me asking how much would tickets set you back ?
Determined to be there for the Mayweather vs Pacquaio shindig if the fight is made, i'd say the ticket prices will be astronomical
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any thoughts on whether the cotto foreman fight would be worth going to? I have an option on tickets but they are pricey
The time to see Cotto was prior to his fight with Margarito. He's never been the same since. But in fairness who would be the same after having to fight a guy that had the advantage of having some cement in his gloves !
Still worthwhile all the same, fight's in the Yankee stadium isn't it ? That would be an interesting venue for a fight.
Would be interesting to see how Foreman gets on against Cotto, he's by far the biggest name he's ever faced.
If you don't mind me asking how much would tickets set you back ?
Determined to be there for the Mayweather vs Pacquaio shindig if the fight is made, i'd say the ticket prices will be astronomical
Did i read that Mayweather fight would be in Texas and not Las Vegas?
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Big talk about Paquaio and Mayweather being held in The Cowboys Stadium if it were to happen.
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I can't see the fight being in the Dallas for a number of reasons. Before negotiations broke down last time over the drugs testing - the venue of Dallas was a non starter for a number of reasons main one being that both fighters prefer vegas.
Perhaps if all the money in the world is thrown at them and Jerry Jones gave them the stadium for free it could happen but otherwise i can't see it.
If it was in Vegas then it would generate more hype due to tickets being so scarce and you imagine that can only boost the PPV figures. No matter what, if the fight is made i'd say all previous PPV figures would be smashed.
There's a few interesting fights this weekend:
Khan vs Malignaggi - most people would see Khan winning this on points. Wouldn't be surprised to see that happen but think there is a real chance Malignaggi could cause an upset. Khan's had visa complications and had to set up camp in canada, his preparations have been far from ideal. Couple this with Khan possibly not acclimatising to his Madison Square Garden surroundings too well, then i think there is a serious prospect of an upset. Malignaggi can take some serious punishment and see out a fight, just like he did against Cotto. Even when Ricky Hatton stopped him that was only because his corner threw in the towel after they he felt he wasn't acting on instructions he could have seen out that fight easily. He's used to wars and has supposedly been looking well in his last few fights, for me Malignaggi is good value to win on points at 6/1. And i might even stick a couple of quid at 50/1, that he will stop Khan between rounds 10-12 ;D. When reading this, please also bear in mind that i really dislike Khan.
Mitchell vs Katsidis - I can see Mitchell taking this in front of his home East End ground, watch out for Gary Hobbs, Phil Mitchell (Kevin's Uncle ;) ) and Minty at ringside. If Mitchell avoids a slugfest he should take it comfortably on points with possibility of a late stoppage.
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Khan vs Malignaggi - most people would see Khan winning this on points. Wouldn't be surprised to see that happen but think there is a real chance Malignaggi could cause an upset. Khan's had visa complications and had to set up camp in canada, his preparations have been far from ideal. Couple this with Khan possibly not acclimatising to his Madison Square Garden surroundings too well, then i think there is a serious prospect of an upset. Malignaggi can take some serious punishment and see out a fight, just like he did against Cotto. Even when Ricky Hatton stopped him that was only because his corner threw in the towel after they he felt he wasn't acting on instructions he could have seen out that fight easily. He's used to wars and has supposedly been looking well in his last few fights, for me Malignaggi is good value to win on points at 6/1. And i might even stick a couple of quid at 50/1, that he will stop Khan between rounds 10-12 ;D. When reading this, please also bear in mind that i really dislike Khan.
Can't agree with you here AF. Malignaggi is made for Khan, which is obviously why they've hand picked him -he's a name who will sell a few tickets, he's gutsy and durable but he can't punch. Can't see anything other than Khan on points- I have a few £ on this, odds only 5/4 but still decent value IMO -should be more like evens.
Hope Mitchell and Khan both win to set up a fight between them. Mitchell's been slagging Khan off in the press already for fighting men who won't test his chin..
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Khan vs Malignaggi - most people would see Khan winning this on points. Wouldn't be surprised to see that happen but think there is a real chance Malignaggi could cause an upset. Khan's had visa complications and had to set up camp in canada, his preparations have been far from ideal. Couple this with Khan possibly not acclimatising to his Madison Square Garden surroundings too well, then i think there is a serious prospect of an upset. Malignaggi can take some serious punishment and see out a fight, just like he did against Cotto. Even when Ricky Hatton stopped him that was only because his corner threw in the towel after they he felt he wasn't acting on instructions he could have seen out that fight easily. He's used to wars and has supposedly been looking well in his last few fights, for me Malignaggi is good value to win on points at 6/1. And i might even stick a couple of quid at 50/1, that he will stop Khan between rounds 10-12 ;D. When reading this, please also bear in mind that i really dislike Khan.
Can't agree with you here AF. Malignaggi is made for Khan, which is obviously why they've hand picked him -he's a name who will sell a few tickets, he's gutsy and durable but he can't punch. Can't see anything other than Khan on points- I have a few £ on this, odds only 5/4 but still decent value IMO -should be more like evens.
Hope Mitchell and Khan both win to set up a fight between them. Mitchell's been slagging Khan off in the press already for fighting men who won't test his chin..
To be fair to Finchey I think hes only pointing out good value rather than the likely outcome. Id agree with Finchey 50/1 for a late stoppage is good value. I think Khan will win on points or late stoppage but the value is there for malignaggi given he does have ability and heart and this is another step up for khan, who has been fed some real weak opposition in his career so far.
That boy salita was shite, kotelnik was pretty limited, barrera was done. Malignaggi is easily the best fighter khan will have faced and has skills khan wont have had to deal with yet.
Theres a slight chance Malignaggi could pull him into a real battle (as he has in his last 2 fights), 6/1 is worth a wee punt.
If Khan puts this man away in style he'll be lined up for real world class opponents, personally i think his chin will come back to haunt him when he fights the creme de la creme in and above his weight division
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Khan's chin will be found out further down the road but not by Malignaggi who is powder puncher. He is durable, but I think Khan's power has come on a lot and he can get him out of there in 8-9 rounds if he really goes for it.
Salita wasn't bad, I expected him to give Khan a good fight, just a case of getting caught completely cold as happened Khan himself with Prescott. At 140lb I'd like to see Khan in with Bradley who I think would handle him reasonably comfortably. Is a fight that I don't think they would be afraid to take as Bradley isn't a puncher, but would be a definite step up.
More likely is an easy subsequent defense before possibly taking on winner of Katsidis / Mitchell?
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What time will Andy Lee fight be on?
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Khan fight is on ITV at 2.40am. Winder what the story is there with it being on terrestrial TV? Mustn't be proving to be a big enough draw for Sky or else they would have been all over this fight.
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Mitchell blown away in 3 by Katsidis. Just overwhelmed. Don't see Katsidis beating JMM however but would like to see him rough Khan up - don't think Khan could live with his pace.
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Fcuk sake missed it was just logging onto justin.tv to watch it.
Edit: Just seen the highlights - impressive stuff from Katsidis.
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Fcuk sake missed it was just logging onto justin.tv to watch it.
Edit: Just seen the highlights - impressive stuff from Katsidis.
Have a link for the highlights?
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Seen the highlights on the skysports stream on justin.tv. Kastsidis caught him well with a left and there was no way Mitchell could recover from it.
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Khan stopped him in 11. Not seen it but dominated him by all accounts from the opening bell
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I would not have liked to have paid in to watch Andy Lee's fight last night, awful spectacle
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Stayed up for Khan fight. Never really in any doubt and Malignaggi had to convince his corner and the doctor a couple of times that he could go on before the ref stepped in. Khan got caught a few times though. Anyone know the story on how much longer Freddie roach can keep training? He looked worse than ever last night.
Katsidis was impressive, if a little ragged. Was chomping at the bit before the first bell only for the first round to be very tame. A few massive rights ended it in the third.
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Khan stopped him in 11. Not seen it but dominated him by all accounts from the opening bell
Not really. The rounds were actually close enough up until about the 6th. Khan kinda took charge from then on. Mallinaggi is feather fisted.
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For anyone who hasn't seen the fight before. Youtube Katsidis v Earls. amazing fight some years ago.
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I watched the Lee fight on Saturday on RTE (I think?). What was the story with the panel all wearing the big ear and microphone pieces? It looked like something from the 70s. Is that for show or do they not have any modern equipment?
Here
http://www.rte.ie/player/#v=1072819
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Mayweather vs Pacquaio has moved a step closer to happening.
Pacman has compromised and agreed to get tested 14 days before the fight.
The original negotations for the fight in March broke down when he wouldn't agree to the 14 day time frame a compromise proposed by Mayweather.
Be interesting to see what happens now ... i can't see Mayweather saying "fine, let's get this fight on" ... he is still likely to make it difficult.
Can't remember this myself, but apparently straight after the Mosley fight Mayweather said that the 14 day compromise was out the window and that Pacman would have to subject himself to the same style of testing that Mosley and Mayweather did.
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Anyone watching the European Championships?
My cousin, Tyrone Mc Cullagh, secured his bronze medal today after beating ex European champ 6 -2. Marty Morrisey kept refering to him as a Donegal man when in fact he is a Derry city man boxing out of a Donegal club.
Fair play Tyrone and the other 4 lads who have secured medals for Ireland.
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Anyone watching the European Championships?
My cousin, Tyrone Mc Cullagh, secured his bronze medal today after beating ex European champ 6 -2. Marty Morrisey kept refering to him as a Donegal man when in fact he is a Derry city man boxing out of a Donegal club.
Fair play Tyrone and the other 4 lads who have secured medals for Ireland.
Some effort from the lads alright. Must be a lonely feeling in the ring once that bell goes. Fair play to anyone who can fight at that level.
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Marty is fooking woeful at boxing ( and many other things!!).
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Derry boxer Tyrone McCullagh in European semi-finals
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/8729520.stm
Teenager Tyrone McCullagh has reached the semi-finals in Moscow
Derry's Tyrone McCullagh is sure of at least a bronze medal after winning his quarter-final at the European Amateur Championships in Moscow on Tuesday.
Nineteen-year-old McCullagh beat Azat Hovhannesyan of Armenia 6-3 on points in the 57kg featherweight category.
It was only McCullagh's second senior international fight.
Two other Irish boxers are sure of bronze - Olympic silver medallist Ken Egan in the light-heavyweight and Darren O'Neill in the middleweight.
McCullagh had earlier made a sparkling major championship debut by beating Moldovan Petr Apostol 13-2.
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Anyone watching the European Championships?
My cousin, Tyrone Mc Cullagh, secured his bronze medal today after beating ex European champ 6 -2. Marty Morrisey kept refering to him as a Donegal man when in fact he is a Derry city man boxing out of a Donegal club.
Fair play Tyrone and the other 4 lads who have secured medals for Ireland.
Sorry - but Marty's introduction to the last Andy Lee fight just summed him up as a gabshite! 'Me as a Munster Man, here in Limerick City .. for a son of Limerick ..' Bit like Angelas's Ashes without the intelligence - I'd say he's looking for a new career that one - perhaps the Brian Cody dressing down after the AIF was the final straw ..
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Anyone for the Paul McCloskey fight tomorrow night? Will this Italian Lauri put up much of a showing? I wish McCloskeys career would move along a bit quicker.
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So at least 5 bronze medals at these European Championship. Its simply incredible. I think RTE should be showing these 5 fights live. Boxing and to a lesser extent rugby are the only international sports we are consistently challenging the very best at and look at the difference in TV coverage. It couldn't be a class thing could it....????
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So at least 5 bronze medals at these European Championship. Its simply incredible. I think RTE should be showing these 5 fights live. Boxing and to a lesser extent rugby are the only international sports we are consistently challenging the very best at and look at the difference in TV coverage. It couldn't be a class thing could it....????
Agree, Ireland has a great pedigree in boxing, its the one sport where we actually stand a chnace on the world stage. Even at pro level, the likes of Duddy & Lee, whatever you think of them, will probably get world title shots at some stage. Ber-nard Dunne also a World champion in recent times and hopefully McCloskey can push on this Friday night. Also, your guy, Big Bang Wilie Casey won the sky sports prize fighter the other week and looks a bit of a prospect.
Boxing in!!!!!!!
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Paddy Barnes won so guaranteed at least a silver. McCullagh and Donovan lost after putting up good displays against a Brit and a Russian so they'll settle for bronze. Kenny Egan and Darren O'Neill to come later.
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O'Neill beat the Bulgarian Manev 6-0. That is 2 silvers and 2 bronze.
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Egan lost after building up an early lead
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Anyone got a link to Dudie's fight?
thanks in advance
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i read an interview in this week's Derry Post that McCloskey sais he watched DVD;s of tonights oponent and he says he will try every trick in the book, complaining to the ref about everything when its nothing - he is at it already and only 1 round gone !
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Can't watch the fight here the woman has no sky... could youse keep me updated please lads???
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into 10th exile. i know fcuk all about boxing, but the commentators reckon dudey's tactics are all wrong. still have him ahead 87-85
BTW, your woman used to have Sky ;)
Knock Out !!! Italian is on his hole, and still on his hole ! 40 secs into 11th round
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Great knock out punch from McCloskey. Good to see.
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Barnes has gold in a 4 - 1 victory. The first gold for Ireland in 19 years. Was the last gold for McCullough or a chap called Griffin who flopped at the olympics.
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So at least 5 bronze medals at these European Championship. Its simply incredible. I think RTE should be showing these 5 fights live. Boxing and to a lesser extent rugby are the only international sports we are consistently challenging the very best at and look at the difference in TV coverage. It couldn't be a class thing could it....????
Yes, boxing is not as classy as say the Eurovision Song Contest, Rose of Tralee and Kilnascully.
I seem to remember lots of promises and bandwagoning after Michael Carruth's Gold.
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Paddy Barnes played to the system and I wouldn't blame him for that, but does anyone else think that that wasn't boxing. Two guys with both hands over their faces for the whole fight poking at each other. The second fight where Darren O Neill lost was far better. Two fighters laying in to each other and trying to hurt their opponent. That's what boxing should be. The scoring system is terrible. The old way wasn't perfect and we saw some terrible decisions but it didn't destroy the spirit and spectacle of amateur boxing the way this new system often does.
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Paddy Barnes played to the system and I wouldn't blame him for that, but does anyone else think that that wasn't boxing. Two guys with both hands over their faces for the whole fight poking at each other. The second fight where Darren O Neill lost was far better. Two fighters laying in to each other and trying to hurt their opponent. That's what boxing should be. The scoring system is terrible. The old way wasn't perfect and we saw some terrible decisions but it didn't destroy the spirit and spectacle of amateur boxing the way this new system often does.
Sincere congrats to Ireland's latest European Champion ( he was wearing O'Neill's gear Tony).
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Excellent performance by the Irish team all round. Great bit of redemption for Barnes after his tantrums at the Olympics.
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Well done to the Irish Boxing team and a great medal haul. Fair play to all involved.
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Good blog:
http://www.skysports.com/opinion/story/0,25212,13841_6199911,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/opinion/story/0,25212,13841_6199911,00.html)
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anyone know if you can see the duddy fight anywhere later tonight
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How did John Duddy get on last night?
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Chavez Jr. outpoints Duddy at Alamodome
(AP) – 3 hours ago
SAN ANTONIO — Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. unanimously outpointed Ireland's John Duddy on Saturday night in a 12-round middleweight fight at the Alamodome.
Chavez (42-0-1) dominated the early part of the fight with a steady dose of hooks and jabs, but Duddy (29-2) kept the pressure on and pushed Chavez to 12 rounds for the first time in his eight-year career.
"John is the toughest fighter I've faced so far," Chavez said. "He kept the pressure on and really pushed me farther than I've been to this point in my career. But I knew coming in that he was going to be challenging, and I was happy to walk away with the victory."
Former boxing star Julio Cesar Chavez led his son into the ring to an eruption of applause. The elder Chavez then did color commentary for the pay-per-view broadcast.
The fight was Chavez's first since 10-round unanimous decision over Troy Rowlands in November that was changed to a no-contest after he tested positive for a banned substance a diuretic and was suspended for seven months by the Nevada State Athletic Commission. The fight also was Chavez's first with trainer Freddie Roach, who guides WBO welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao.
Chavez returned to the place where he watched his father fight to a controversial 12-round draw against Pernell Whitaker in 1993.
"To fight in the same building that my father did is almost surreal for me," Chavez said. "I never thought in my wildest dreams that I'd be headlining at the Alamodome."
On the undercard, Marco Antonio Barrera (66-7) unanimously outpointed Adailton DeJesus (26-5) in a 10-round lightweight fight.
Copyright © 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
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Anybody see the ricky burns fight last night ? if you haven't i'd recommend watching the highlights, it was a great fight.
Burns (a big outsider) went down in the 1st, before making a good recovery in the 2nd. After that it was a tight enough affair but Burns movement was more impressive and he was clearly landing more. Turning point was the 5th round Burns had that easy. But after giving his all in that round i didn't think he was going to last the distance and by the 7th round both fighters looked out on their feet.
But to their credit they kept fighting to the end. With Burns taking a unanimous decision. Two judges giving him the nod by three rounds and the other by two rounds.
Paul Mc Closkey's next fight is on the October 2nd in Letterkenny, no disrespect to Barry Morrison but Dudey should have this by the 6th/7th round. In the process i'm hoping he puts on a good show and gets the world title shot that he deserves.
The undercard for the fight is pretty good. Andy Murray vs Johnny Nolasco is chief support. I've never seen Nolasco dance but he is widely considered to be the toughest test that Murray has faced and his unbeaten record could be put to the test.
Also all the Cork based Cuban lads are on show as well, looking forward to seeing Alexei Acosta up close as he's developing a bit of a reputation as a knockout king.
Patrick Hyland is also fighting - the Dubs see this lad as their next Bernard Dunne. Coleman Barrett, a Galway lad also features on the undercard, Barrett put on an impressive display in the Heavyweight Prizefighter losing to Audley Harrison in the final.
Derry Club championship final is the next day. I'm thinking i might as well make the night of it in letterkenny and walk to Celtic Park the next day :D
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Burns fight was excellent, if only he had a punch himself he could go a long way.
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Yeah, he does lack that bit of firepower. Still very impressed considering he didn't blow kevin o'hara away when they fought.
There's no major fights to be made in the division he is in, although him and Jorge Solis could be a good fight and he would have a good chance of winning that.
If he moved up one division there are plenty of big names there floating about the likes of Marquez and Katsidis but i wouldn't be overly confident that he'd have much success there. If he's not showing much firepower at super featherweight then id say he would be well out of his depth at lightweight.
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Yeah especially considering the likes of Katsidis are all about power and highly impressive KO ratios.
Your right the super featherweight division is lacking real quality but a few defenses of his title he can then think about were he wants to go. Warren will be rubbing his hands together after that win, the Scottish public will come out in force for Burns next fight and rightly so, very polished performance and as I said just wish he could generate more power to compliment his excellent technic and beautiful left jab.
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I see David Haye will be making his second defence of his WBA title against Audley Harrison!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/8968472.stm
Surely Haye should win this without much fuss? I thought his next fight was to be against a Klitschko though, if he's going to fight one of them he should be destroying Harrison.
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Sky are desperately trying to hype up this Harrison v Haye fight but in truth boxing is at all time low it's only saving grace will be Mayweather vs Pacquiao fight of course the rise of UFC/MMA hasn't helped
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Boxing is slowly dying and needs a major clean up - consolidate the belts and promotions to a maximum of 3 and clean up the divisions.
MMA and boxing can definitely co exist. But boxing does need better promotion and less bullshit to survive.
Harrison is way out of his league
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They will never consolidate the belts, too much money at stake.
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Sky are desperately trying to hype up this Harrison v Haye fight but in truth boxing is at all time low it's only saving grace will be Mayweather vs Pacquiao fight of course the rise of UFC/MMA hasn't helped
Who would want to watch this fight? Harrison simply dies not deserve a shot at a world title! He had been taking the boxing public for ride for years, claiming to a potential world champion, even after getting beaten by no hopers - I can't believe anyone would buy tickets to watch this tripe or pay for it on pay per view!!
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Sky are desperately trying to hype up this Harrison v Haye fight but in truth boxing is at all time low it's only saving grace will be Mayweather vs Pacquiao fight of course the rise of UFC/MMA hasn't helped
Who would want to watch this fight? Harrison simply dies not deserve a shot at a world title! He had been taking the boxing public for ride for years, claiming to a potential world champion, even after getting beaten by no hopers - I can't believe anyone would buy tickets to watch this tripe or pay for it on pay per view!!
I bet the British public will lap it up regardless. Sky will have it hyped up unreal, first all-British heavyweight title fight in years and all that, in reality it's a poor event but some people will buy into whatever Sky tell them. Doesn't say much for Haye either, ducking the Klitschkos again.
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Yeah British public will lap it up. Always find it funny how just because a British fighter is involved means that it's on Sky Box Office while the true big fights over the past while e.g. Mayweather vs Mosley, Cotto vs Pacquiao are not on Sky Box Office. While i'd rather not have any fights on SBO at all, i'm happy with the fact that the fights that are put on SBO i wouldn't pay to see them anyway :D I thought that Amir Khan's horiffic pay per view debut may have seen the end of the pay per view for the British fighter but apparently not !
I find it pretty hard to get excited about the heavyweight division full stop these days but i'm going to try and pretend to be looking forward to it and make a prediction.
I think it will be a lot closer than the bookies are suggesting. Reckon it will go the distance with Haye out pointing Fraudley. Don't think there will be that much in it. While i wouldn't go so far as to say i was impressed by Fraudley against Sprott, no one can deny that he showed a bit of heart which is a bit of a rarity for him. Fraudley will do his best to keep Haye at bay with his jab but ultimately haye should be too quick but for him without troubling him enough to stop him.
It does make you wonder about the state of the heavyweight division when they are talking about matching the winner of this fight with the winner of the Sexton vs Chisora fight. The only heavyweight pairing that would interest me is if the Kitschko brothers renounce their brotherly love and fight each other. Would also like to see how Haye would fare against Vitali. But guess we're going to have to wait until these heavyweight battles of britain have come to an end !
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While there's no way Audley deserves his title shot, he does have a dynamite left hook which always gives him a chance.
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While there's no way Audley deserves his title shot, he does have a dynamite left hook which always gives him a chance.
Plus Haye is a bit suspect when it comes to taking a decent punch.
Hopefully Haye challenges one of the Klitschko brothers after this, as he is still looking to retire for next Octoberish which will give him realistically 2 fights at max after this farce. He talked the talk after winning the belt, saying that he would fight who the public wanted him to fight, then he goes and fights a man recently beaten by a taxi man and a few other journeymen.
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Haye's lost a lot of peoples respect im sure after taking this fight!Harrison is average at best and this is just a payday for sparring partners(i'