Seanie Johnston Switch and outside managers

[haranguerer]

Its grand the way it was (see the effect the 'seanie johnson' rule has had in london - another ridiculously stupid ill thought out proposal rushed through).

What would you like it to look like?

[eddie d]

Its grand the way it was (see the effect the 'seanie johnson' rule has had in london - another ridiculously stupid ill thought out proposal rushed through).

What would you like it to look like?

fair point, but if you think the rules were grand before then, correct me if im wrong, you would have to agree the transfer couldnt go through because of johnston not living in the county he wants to switch to? maybe he has moved?

[haranguerer]

Its grand the way it was (see the effect the 'seanie johnson' rule has had in london - another ridiculously stupid ill thought out proposal rushed through).

What would you like it to look like?

fair point, but if you think the rules were grand before then, correct me if im wrong, you would have to agree the transfer couldnt go through because of johnston not living in the county he wants to switch to? maybe he has moved?

Moved to Straffan Eddie, at the start of all this.

[mylestheslasher]

Its grand the way it was (see the effect the 'seanie johnson' rule has had in london - another ridiculously stupid ill thought out proposal rushed through).

What would you like it to look like?

fair point, but if you think the rules were grand before then, correct me if im wrong, you would have to agree the transfer couldnt go through because of johnston not living in the county he wants to switch to? maybe he has moved?

Moved to Straffan Eddie, at the start of all this.

No he didn't. Thats why 1st Cavan Co Board objected and 2nd Cavan Gaels objected. Tell me, were you in favour of him being allowed play with the Gaels and also with Kildare while living in Cavan town - his original attempt at a transfer, for which he wanted Cavan Gaels to fund his appeal against to the tune of 10k? I could go back to the start of the thread and check but you could save me the hassle.

[mylestheslasher]

Ah, It was easy to find. Page 2 of this thread on 18/01. Johnson had just had his attempt to transfer to Kildare denied while trying to convince the GAA that he lived in Straffan, worked in Cavan and trained/played with Cavan Gaels. You wrote....

"Let him play wherever to f**k he wants. Why should any manager be able to completely stop his inter -co career - its a joke! Same goes for Kevin Cassidy, his inter co career could conceivably be finished, over some jumped up p***k of a manager trying to form omerta. why should the players be made suffer?"

So when you say  the rules are fine as they are you mean except where Sean Johnson is concerned.

[eddie d]

Its grand the way it was (see the effect the 'seanie johnson' rule has had in london - another ridiculously stupid ill thought out proposal rushed through).

What would you like it to look like?

fair point, but if you think the rules were grand before then, correct me if im wrong, you would have to agree the transfer couldnt go through because of johnston not living in the county he wants to switch to? maybe he has moved?

Moved to Straffan Eddie, at the start of all this.

hardly, i have been following this thread n papers,il re word it, maybe he has moved since page 50 of this thread?

lets say he hasn't, for arguments sake, would you agree to transfer or the rules?

[Stevie g 8]

Ah, It was easy to find. Page 2 of this thread on 18/01. Johnson had just had his attempt to transfer to Kildare denied while trying to convince the GAA that he lived in Straffan, worked in Cavan and trained/played with Cavan Gaels. You wrote....

"Let him play wherever to f**k he wants. Why should any manager be able to completely stop his inter -co career - its a joke! Same goes for Kevin Cassidy, his inter co career could conceivably be finished, over some jumped up p***k of a manager trying to form omerta. why should the players be made suffer?"

So when you say  the rules are fine as they are you mean except where Sean Johnson is concerned.

well said.f**k the begrudgers

[haranguerer]

Ah, It was easy to find. Page 2 of this thread on 18/01. Johnson had just had his attempt to transfer to Kildare denied while trying to convince the GAA that he lived in Straffan, worked in Cavan and trained/played with Cavan Gaels. You wrote....

"Let him play wherever to f**k he wants. Why should any manager be able to completely stop his inter -co career - its a joke! Same goes for Kevin Cassidy, his inter co career could conceivably be finished, over some jumped up p***k of a manager trying to form omerta. why should the players be made suffer?"

So when you say  the rules are fine as they are you mean except where Sean Johnson is concerned.

The above is a reaction to two top players both being omitted from their counties teams. On reflection, if the gaa do want to place a control on this, playing club football in the county you seek to transfer to is a reasonable control - it demonstrates some permanence and intent.

With regard to the other - he had an address in straffan, he said thats where he was living. None of us can call him a liar without incontrovertible evidence to the contrary.

Eddie, in the absence of a better system, I'd go by the rules. He knows what he'd have to do.

[mylestheslasher]

Ah, It was easy to find. Page 2 of this thread on 18/01. Johnson had just had his attempt to transfer to Kildare denied while trying to convince the GAA that he lived in Straffan, worked in Cavan and trained/played with Cavan Gaels. You wrote....

"Let him play wherever to f**k he wants. Why should any manager be able to completely stop his inter -co career - its a joke! Same goes for Kevin Cassidy, his inter co career could conceivably be finished, over some jumped up p***k of a manager trying to form omerta. why should the players be made suffer?"

So when you say  the rules are fine as they are you mean except where Sean Johnson is concerned.

The above is a reaction to two top players both being omitted from their counties teams. On reflection, if the gaa do want to place a control on this, playing club football in the county you seek to transfer to is a reasonable control - it demonstrates some permanence and intent.

With regard to the other - he had an address in straffan, he said thats where he was living. None of us can call him a liar without incontrovertible evidence to the contrary.

Eddie, in the absence of a better system, I'd go by the rules. He knows what he'd have to do.

Cavan Co Board and Cavan Gaels expressed doubts over this and so the GAA had to consider this. When they did they rejected the transfer.

[Westside]

Would the registered letter that was sent to Johnston's Straffin address that bounced back to Croker because there was nobody by the name of Sean Johnston living at the address count as "incontrovertible evidence"....?

[haranguerer]

It would be evidence anyway. I've been curious about that though - did it actually happen? If a registered letter isnt signed for, it may be returned, or there may be a card left for it to be collected from the po. For it to be returned with 'not known at this address' means someone else must have been living there to inform the deliverer of this. I cant see how it could have been returned with this message any other way. Postmen cant know whos living where nowadays.

In the grand scheme of things its pretty irrelevant anyway. if you've told someone you're living in straffan, and they say you're not, then you either admit to being a liar, or prove yourself to be telling the truth. If this means latterly altering your circumstances to suit your story, i.e. moving into the address you said you were living in, then thats what you'll do, so any challenge is only going to be successful if the transferee is only half hearted about the whole thing anyway.

[Westside]

Yes there was a couple of guys living in the address who didn't know who Sean Johnston was and informed the postman of that. Thus the letter was returned saying he was not known at the address. You said we couldn't call him a liar without evidence. It appears we have such evidence. Now he obviously changed his circumstances since, realising that he wouldn't be able to fool Croke Park so easily. But at the time the initial contention that he was living in Straffan was a lie, based on the evidence of the registered letter.

[haranguerer]

So he actually gave someone elses address in straffan, someone he didnt know??! Christ.

Well then, as my second paragraph contends, it doesnt make the blindest bit of difference anyway, he just moves to where he said he lived, and says he hadnt completed the move at the time of the application, but as he knew he was moving, thats the address he put.

[heffo]

It would be evidence anyway. I've been curious about that though - did it actually happen?

It did happen - I posted it here and then it was posted in the papers a few days later. 100% happened.

[heffo]

So he actually gave someone elses address in straffan, someone he didnt know??! Christ.

Well then, as my second paragraph contends, it doesnt make the blindest bit of difference anyway, he just moves to where he said he lived, and says he hadnt completed the move at the time of the application, but as he knew he was moving, thats the address he put.

I don't understand. People live in the address which Johnston gave. Does he just turn up and say, "I live here now"?

It's an apartment owned by a Dublin guy who's lived in Kildare for a good while now and is heavily involved in the supporters club.