The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread - #DankeJürgen

[AZOffaly]

I'm in agreement with that. And if, let's say, the next Billionaire comes in and buys Liverpool from FSG, would you prefer Klopp or Mourinho setting the direction of the club? I know I'd prefer the former.

[Milltown Row2]

Its a fine line, entertaining football with no end product (silverware) or unexciting football with (better GD  ) silverware at the end of it?

How many more seasons will it take for Liverpool to go on with playing well and no return?

I'd love Klopp at Utd

[Leonardo]

Liverpool under Houllier & Rafa were hard to watch. Football was very boring. In fairness to Brendan, he brought back good football and Klopp has picked up where he left off.
I used to go to games regularly but got fed up with the dull approach until Rodgers changed the style. The year we finished 2nd produced some outstanding football - I probably went to 6 games that season
Good football over trophies for me - though something to celebrate would be the icing on cake

[AZOffaly]

Its a fine line, entertaining football with no end product (silverware) or unexciting football with (better GD  ) silverware at the end of it?

How many more seasons will it take for Liverpool to go on with playing well and no return?

I'd love Klopp at Utd

That's the flip side of the question. The utopia is Exciting Football with Trophies. Basically Man City at the moment. But we all know how they got to that juncture. A) A coach who believes in that sort of play, and B) owners who are willing to pay over the odds to get great players to play there.

Liverpool have a, but not b.
Man Utd have b, but not a.

Liverpool are more entertaining, but Klopp has to win something in the next year or so, or entertainment becomes less and less important.
Man Utd are less entertaining, so Mourinho has to either win EVERYTHING or else the entertainment will become more and more important.

[J70]

Its a fine line, entertaining football with no end product (silverware) or unexciting football with (better GD  ) silverware at the end of it?

How many more seasons will it take for Liverpool to go on with playing well and no return?

I'd love Klopp at Utd

Depends what you mean by silverware though.

What matters is the league and the champions league. For Liverpool right now, given what they're coming back from, top 4 and a champions league quarter final or, hopefully, semi-final, would be a very good season. Obviously the hope would be that over the next season or two that will progress into title challenges and consistent appearances in the latter stages of the champions league. Eventually, you'd hope to win one or both of those, but that will not be easy given the competition.

The league cup and FA are consolation prizes. Fine in and of themselves, IF you've also got the league and champions league side of things going well. On their own though, in the absence of progress on the latter two fronts, they're just hollow, isolated wins which might add to the historical trophy total but which will be forgotten about in a few days otherwise.

Will any Arsenal fans look back fondly on their recent FA Cup wins given the greater context of the club's slipping down the hierarchy at the top of the English game? Similarly, I don't recall thinking that the league cup win in 2012 was the start of any new era for Liverpool given the shite state of the time that year in the league (not helped by the club's awful handling of the Suarez-Evra incident).

[AZOffaly]

I'd love Liverpool to win the FA Cup again. the League and CL is obviously the pinnacle, but surely fans want to win stuff. Only two teams (or maybe 1!) can win those trophies, so winning the FA Cup, the League Cup or the Europa League if you are in it are important to me.

[Milltown Row2]

Well Arsenal (untill recently) had been doing exactly what J70 was talking about, constant top for the odd FA cup win, appearance in a CL final, competitive in the league and exciting to watch, had a blip lost form and generaly at the end of the season cme good to claim a top four or better spot... No Spurs have taken over that position great to watch, top for most years and pushing for honours on the league front...

Liverpool would not want to fall into that trap of keeping the fans happy with just a top four finish every year, like Arsenal it will disappear and so will Klopp, new man comes in and then its all about rebuilding, different style new players and so it begins all over again, and the promised land seems further away than ever..

[J70]

Well Arsenal (untill recently) had been doing exactly what J70 was talking about, constant top for the odd FA cup win, appearance in a CL final, competitive in the league and exciting to watch, had a blip lost form and generaly at the end of the season cme good to claim a top four or better spot... No Spurs have taken over that position great to watch, top for most years and pushing for honours on the league front...

Liverpool would not want to fall into that trap of keeping the fans happy with just a top four finish every year, like Arsenal it will disappear and so will Klopp, new man comes in and then its all about rebuilding, different style new players and so it begins all over again, and the promised land seems further away than ever..

Of course, but I also said I would hope title challenges and champions league challenges would follow within a couple of seasons.

Progress is the key, and the league is the primary measure of that, followed by the champions league. The rest is window dressing.

[Tony Baloney]

Liverpool fans. I've asked a question on the United page, and I wonder what the reaction here is. Given Mourinho's dour approach, paranoid personality and general negative attitude, counter balanced with his record in big games, and his ability to win trophies. Would you swap our swashbuckling, all out entertainment but frustratingly naive defensively manager, who may win some trophies but probably not as many as Mourinho, for the United manager?

Not a mission. The thing is you don't have to such a **** to be a winner. I think Klopp is organically building his team that has the core of a winning mentality. Still 2-3 main players away from it but a good summer could make a huge difference. New keeer, new defensive MF, another forward and Keita coming in. We are not winning the CL this year but a good draw and result in the quarter final and another top 4 finish and we have made huge progress.

The problem is if there is no silverware over a period of time the good players start to look away and you are always remain 2-3 players away from greatness. We've been talking about shoring up the defence since Brendan and Suarez.

[J70]

Liverpool fans. I've asked a question on the United page, and I wonder what the reaction here is. Given Mourinho's dour approach, paranoid personality and general negative attitude, counter balanced with his record in big games, and his ability to win trophies. Would you swap our swashbuckling, all out entertainment but frustratingly naive defensively manager, who may win some trophies but probably not as many as Mourinho, for the United manager?

Not a mission. The thing is you don't have to such a **** to be a winner. I think Klopp is organically building his team that has the core of a winning mentality. Still 2-3 main players away from it but a good summer could make a huge difference. New keeer, new defensive MF, another forward and Keita coming in. We are not winning the CL this year but a good draw and result in the quarter final and another top 4 finish and we have made huge progress.

The problem is if there is no silverware over a period of time the good players start to look away and you are always remain 2-3 players away from greatness. We've been talking about shoring up the defence since Brendan and Suarez.

Is an FA Cup or a League Cup really going to sway the caliber of player Liverpool are hoping to attract?

Champions League participation and realistic prospects of title challenges are what matter.

[Milltown Row2]

Liverpool fans. I've asked a question on the United page, and I wonder what the reaction here is. Given Mourinho's dour approach, paranoid personality and general negative attitude, counter balanced with his record in big games, and his ability to win trophies. Would you swap our swashbuckling, all out entertainment but frustratingly naive defensively manager, who may win some trophies but probably not as many as Mourinho, for the United manager?

Not a mission. The thing is you don't have to such a **** to be a winner. I think Klopp is organically building his team that has the core of a winning mentality. Still 2-3 main players away from it but a good summer could make a huge difference. New keeer, new defensive MF, another forward and Keita coming in. We are not winning the CL this year but a good draw and result in the quarter final and another top 4 finish and we have made huge progress.

The problem is if there is no silverware over a period of time the good players start to look away and you are always remain 2-3 players away from greatness. We've been talking about shoring up the defence since Brendan and Suarez.

Is an FA Cup or a League Cup really going to sway the caliber of player Liverpool are hoping to attract?

Champions League participation and realistic prospects of title challenges are what matter.

That's the key.. any team in the top four, would they be realistic title challengers in the coming years, if Pep stays? (a big if, as i feel he'll move on)

[AZOffaly]

Liverpool fans. I've asked a question on the United page, and I wonder what the reaction here is. Given Mourinho's dour approach, paranoid personality and general negative attitude, counter balanced with his record in big games, and his ability to win trophies. Would you swap our swashbuckling, all out entertainment but frustratingly naive defensively manager, who may win some trophies but probably not as many as Mourinho, for the United manager?

Not a mission. The thing is you don't have to such a **** to be a winner. I think Klopp is organically building his team that has the core of a winning mentality. Still 2-3 main players away from it but a good summer could make a huge difference. New keeer, new defensive MF, another forward and Keita coming in. We are not winning the CL this year but a good draw and result in the quarter final and another top 4 finish and we have made huge progress.

The problem is if there is no silverware over a period of time the good players start to look away and you are always remain 2-3 players away from greatness. We've been talking about shoring up the defence since Brendan and Suarez.

Is an FA Cup or a League Cup really going to sway the caliber of player Liverpool are hoping to attract?

Champions League participation and realistic prospects of title challenges are what matter.

I agree J70, but as a fan, and as a fanbase, silverware is important. Liverpool is about winning trophies, and while obviously the League and CL are the holy grail, picking up a trophy every second season or so is important.

[Tony Baloney]

Liverpool fans. I've asked a question on the United page, and I wonder what the reaction here is. Given Mourinho's dour approach, paranoid personality and general negative attitude, counter balanced with his record in big games, and his ability to win trophies. Would you swap our swashbuckling, all out entertainment but frustratingly naive defensively manager, who may win some trophies but probably not as many as Mourinho, for the United manager?

Not a mission. The thing is you don't have to such a **** to be a winner. I think Klopp is organically building his team that has the core of a winning mentality. Still 2-3 main players away from it but a good summer could make a huge difference. New keeer, new defensive MF, another forward and Keita coming in. We are not winning the CL this year but a good draw and result in the quarter final and another top 4 finish and we have made huge progress.

The problem is if there is no silverware over a period of time the good players start to look away and you are always remain 2-3 players away from greatness. We've been talking about shoring up the defence since Brendan and Suarez.

Is an FA Cup or a League Cup really going to sway the caliber of player Liverpool are hoping to attract?

Champions League participation and realistic prospects of title challenges are what matter.

I agree J70, but as a fan, and as a fanbase, silverware is important. Liverpool is about winning trophies, and while obviously the League and CL are the holy grail, picking up a trophy every second season or so is important.

I agree. When you are in the habit of winning the big trophies the importance of the FA Cup, League Cup, Europa etc. diminishes but given the choice between something or nothing, I'll take the something. League/CL is the pinnacle and we'll take it all day long but given the alternative I'd take a cup win as growing up the abiding memories are the big cup wins in Europe and the FA Cups against Everton in 86 and 89. I'd rather have my kids seeing more of the same.

[laoislad]

Liverpool fans. I've asked a question on the United page, and I wonder what the reaction here is. Given Mourinho's dour approach, paranoid personality and general negative attitude, counter balanced with his record in big games, and his ability to win trophies. Would you swap our swashbuckling, all out entertainment but frustratingly naive defensively manager, who may win some trophies but probably not as many as Mourinho, for the United manager?

Not a mission. The thing is you don't have to such a **** to be a winner. I think Klopp is organically building his team that has the core of a winning mentality. Still 2-3 main players away from it but a good summer could make a huge difference. New keeer, new defensive MF, another forward and Keita coming in. We are not winning the CL this year but a good draw and result in the quarter final and another top 4 finish and we have made huge progress.

The problem is if there is no silverware over a period of time the good players start to look away and you are always remain 2-3 players away from greatness. We've been talking about shoring up the defence since Brendan and Suarez.

Is an FA Cup or a League Cup really going to sway the caliber of player Liverpool are hoping to attract?

Champions League participation and realistic prospects of title challenges are what matter.

I agree J70, but as a fan, and as a fanbase, silverware is important. Liverpool is about winning trophies, and while obviously the League and CL are the holy grail, picking up a trophy every second season or so is important.

I agree. When you are in the habit of winning the big trophies the importance of the FA Cup, League Cup, Europa etc. diminishes but given the choice between something or nothing, I'll take the something. League/CL is the pinnacle and we'll take it all day long but given the alternative I'd take a cup win as growing up the abiding memories are the big cup wins in Europe and the FA Cups against Everton in 86 and 89. I'd rather have my kids seeing more of the same.

+1
I'd love to see Liverpool win the FA Cup.

[J70]

Liverpool fans. I've asked a question on the United page, and I wonder what the reaction here is. Given Mourinho's dour approach, paranoid personality and general negative attitude, counter balanced with his record in big games, and his ability to win trophies. Would you swap our swashbuckling, all out entertainment but frustratingly naive defensively manager, who may win some trophies but probably not as many as Mourinho, for the United manager?

Not a mission. The thing is you don't have to such a **** to be a winner. I think Klopp is organically building his team that has the core of a winning mentality. Still 2-3 main players away from it but a good summer could make a huge difference. New keeer, new defensive MF, another forward and Keita coming in. We are not winning the CL this year but a good draw and result in the quarter final and another top 4 finish and we have made huge progress.

The problem is if there is no silverware over a period of time the good players start to look away and you are always remain 2-3 players away from greatness. We've been talking about shoring up the defence since Brendan and Suarez.

Is an FA Cup or a League Cup really going to sway the caliber of player Liverpool are hoping to attract?

Champions League participation and realistic prospects of title challenges are what matter.

I agree J70, but as a fan, and as a fanbase, silverware is important. Liverpool is about winning trophies, and while obviously the League and CL are the holy grail, picking up a trophy every second season or so is important.

It doesn't hurt obviously, and usually those who win those trophies regularly are doing well in the league and Europe anyway. But I think League/CL performances matter far, far more than the other two. I would not be dumping a manager who was reaching the semis of the CL and finishing top two or three every year just because he didn't win the FA Cup or LC.

It's like winning a national league in Gaelic football. Nice to get, but no one cares about it at the end of the season if you've had a poor championship. 2007 in Donegal was more memorable for the hammerings by Tyrone (Ulster) and Monaghan (Qualifiers) than for our one and only national league win. Similarly, no one cared that Monaghan made shit of us in the 2014 Div 2 final after we subsequently beat them in the Ulster Final and made the AI final, beating the Dubs along the way. Had Donegal followed up that league win with an Ulster title in 2007, it would be remembered far more fondly, rather than as a team getting on a one-off roll in a competition where the big guns were not as fit or just didn't give a bollocks.