Dubl$n v Laois Sunday June 8th 2014 Dubl$n at home as always

[Walter Cronc]

A few Years down the line before its up and running. DCB contributing 2 million Euro of its own money ( no more petrol money for the lads for a few years), the GAA paying the rest, and we are letting all other Leinster counties and visiting counties use it because we are that nice   

The 2 million is not Dublin's own money. It was money given them by central GAA towards a site in Rathcoole. In effect, Dublin GAA are getting this for nothing.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/john-fogarty/eyebrows-raised-beyond-the-pale-260781.html

Sure we don't need it, we are winning without the help from a performance centre.

All other teams can use it too, its not just for Dublin, they will use it but we have good facilities in UCD,DCU, davids, Swimming in blanch. Under Gilroy they trained in the snow on Partmarnock beach etc.

Cork getting a redevelopment of a stadium, Jesus split them, Casement park, time for a split lads. 

Someone please start up the Wexford v Dublin match thread for the love of Devine Christ.

You can rant all you want but the fact remains that Dublin will get this facility for nothing whilst other counties put millions of their own cash into theirs.

I didn't mention splits and what provincial stadia have to do with the conversation is beyond me.

Time to split Antrim! Oh wait...

Please contact the culchies who run the GAA and make the decisions, and we will just concentrate on winning matches. Thanks. Please note that fans on a GAA forum do nto make decisions on such matters.

Here you go - http://www.gaa.ie/contact-gaa/

http://www.leinstergaa.ie/contact-us.9.html

Please enjoy watching Total football from one of the best teams to ever play the game, Dublin, for the rest of the year.

If it wasn't for the culchie input, your club (I'm assuming Crokes) wouldnt be half the club they are.

[The Aristocrat]

A few Years down the line before its up and running. DCB contributing 2 million Euro of its own money ( no more petrol money for the lads for a few years), the GAA paying the rest, and we are letting all other Leinster counties and visiting counties use it because we are that nice   

The 2 million is not Dublin's own money. It was money given them by central GAA towards a site in Rathcoole. In effect, Dublin GAA are getting this for nothing.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/john-fogarty/eyebrows-raised-beyond-the-pale-260781.html

Sure we don't need it, we are winning without the help from a performance centre.

All other teams can use it too, its not just for Dublin, they will use it but we have good facilities in UCD,DCU, davids, Swimming in blanch. Under Gilroy they trained in the snow on Partmarnock beach etc.

Cork getting a redevelopment of a stadium, Jesus split them, Casement park, time for a split lads. 

Someone please start up the Wexford v Dublin match thread for the love of Devine Christ.

You can rant all you want but the fact remains that Dublin will get this facility for nothing whilst other counties put millions of their own cash into theirs.

I didn't mention splits and what provincial stadia have to do with the conversation is beyond me.

Time to split Antrim! Oh wait...

Please contact the culchies who run the GAA and make the decisions, and we will just concentrate on winning matches. Thanks. Please note that fans on a GAA forum do nto make decisions on such matters.

Here you go - http://www.gaa.ie/contact-gaa/

http://www.leinstergaa.ie/contact-us.9.html

Please enjoy watching Total football from one of the best teams to ever play the game, Dublin, for the rest of the year.

If it wasn't for the culchie input, your club (I'm assuming Crokes) wouldnt be half the club they are.

I'm not Crokes and I was talking about the hierarchy at GAA headquarters, not at club level were you are correct about the input at all clubs in Dublin.

[Dont Matter]

  The Dubs are getting hysterical. They know the games up. They know the only reason they have had huge success in the recent past is because of money. Unprecedented underage success in both codes followed on by massive improvements in their senior teams.
That's what millions upon millions of euro does for you. Buying titles in an amateur sport, it's sad that the Dubs had to stoop that low given the advantages they already had. Now that they have though, what other option is left but to split them?
We can hardly let them continue on buying their players cars, paying World and Olympic champion boxers to hang out with them, paying for huge backroom staff in both codes, paying for the best coaches and trainers for all age groups etc etc while the rest of the country are living on scraps.
Can any of the Dubs tell me what fun is there in winning titles when you haven't done it fairly? Would it not be more satisfying to win with honour? Lets just end the farce, let every team compete on an equal footing.

[Johnnybegood]

The Dubs are getting hysterical. They know the games up. They know the only reason they have had huge success in the recent past is because of money. Unprecedented underage success in both codes followed on by massive improvements in their senior teams.
That's what millions upon millions of euro does for you. Buying titles in an amateur sport, it's sad that the Dubs had to stoop that low given the advantages they already had. Now that they have though, what other option is left but to split them?
We can hardly let them continue on buying their players cars, paying World and Olympic champion boxers to hang out with them, paying for huge backroom staff in both codes, paying for the best coaches and trainers for all age groups etc etc while the rest of the country are living on scraps.
Can any of the Dubs tell me what fun is there in winning titles when you haven't done it fairly? Would it not be more satisfying to win with honour? Lets just end the farce, let every team compete on an equal footing.

i for one take great enjoyment watching Dublin win in a fairly mesmerically brilliant manner!

[Hill16 Blues]

The Dubs are getting hysterical. They know the games up. They know the only reason they have had huge success in the recent past is because of money. Unprecedented underage success in both codes followed on by massive improvements in their senior teams.
That's what millions upon millions of euro does for you. Buying titles in an amateur sport, it's sad that the Dubs had to stoop that low given the advantages they already had. Now that they have though, what other option is left but to split them?
We can hardly let them continue on buying their players cars, paying World and Olympic champion boxers to hang out with them, paying for huge backroom staff in both codes, paying for the best coaches and trainers for all age groups etc etc while the rest of the country are living on scraps.
Can any of the Dubs tell me what fun is there in winning titles when you haven't done it fairly? Would it not be more satisfying to win with honour? Lets just end the farce, let every team compete on an equal footing.

i for one take great enjoyment watching Dublin win in a fairly mesmerically brilliant manner!

I do too. I do also enjoy the time in between our matches listening to all this jealous, small minded, anti Dublin horseshit! The more we win and the better we play the more enjoyable it is in perverse way as fcukwits such as Don't Matter spend even more of their miserable lives spouting nonsensical drivel about the super Dubs! 

Even just two days ago enjoyed very much watching our hurlers make their way emphatically to another Leinster final. In fact I just enjoy being a Dub these days! Happy days!

Up de Dubs!! 

[lynchbhoy]

The Dubs are getting hysterical. They know the games up. They know the only reason they have had huge success in the recent past is because of money. Unprecedented underage success in both codes followed on by massive improvements in their senior teams.
That's what millions upon millions of euro does for you. Buying titles in an amateur sport, it's sad that the Dubs had to stoop that low given the advantages they already had. Now that they have though, what other option is left but to split them?
We can hardly let them continue on buying their players cars, paying World and Olympic champion boxers to hang out with them, paying for huge backroom staff in both codes, paying for the best coaches and trainers for all age groups etc etc while the rest of the country are living on scraps.
Can any of the Dubs tell me what fun is there in winning titles when you haven't done it fairly? Would it not be more satisfying to win with honour? Lets just end the farce, let every team compete on an equal footing.

.... The best Laois mercenaries money can buy eh ?


Money isn't behind dublins success
You could throw the euro millions jackpot at Derry and we would still get beaten by an average side most days

Dublin have massive playing population and now are organising things to maximise their potential

[lynchbhoy]

Keep saying it , if the traditional  intercounty structure is broken up by splitting up Dublin then county mergers will be next.
Laois/Carlow v Fingal in the 1st round of the LSFC. Sligo/Leitrim v Galway in CFC.

Be careful what you wish for guys.

IMO if it was to happen (splitting Dublin) , it would be to STOP intercounty mergers happening rather than enabling them!
Again it is only in the event of Dublin dominance!

By the way - big crowds at games would soon be a thing of the past if one team was to completely dominate. It is in the interest of the game and fans/supporters to keep it competitive!

A competitive championship ( and reasonable ticket prices) will draw big crowds as will entertaining high scoring spectacles!

But surely if a team gets dominant, it shouldn't be handicapped in some way. It happens in all sports at different eras.  Imagine if they gave the Kilekenny team weights to carry in their socks to even out the hurling. Of course not, folk just begrudgingly admired them. We hoped one day they'd decline a little and others improved a little. Eventually it happened.

Anyway. If a team is going to be dominant. Then lets hope they play a brand of football that is pleasing to the eye.

IMO domination for a few years is one thing - like Kilkenny and Kerry etc
But should Dublin go on to be a complete one horse race in football for a decade or so then changes will be made
No matter how pleasing the  methods they employ, a one horse race would ensure all fans lose interest in the game let alone opposition fans

As the GAA is mostly or democratically culchie , the dubs would be outvoted rightly or wrongly

But, Dublin have a long way to go before they are dominating football.
They have yet to do two in a row let alone 5 in a row.
Lose b brogan and/or McCauley and they would struggle a wee bit IMO

Will be an interesting season as ever!

[Jell 0 Biafra]

Seriously lads, Dublin domination is a long way off.  If Mayo had had their shooting boots on for the first 20 minutes of last year's final, they could have been out of sight.   Add to that Dublin basically stumbling into the league semi-final, and you get an idea of the slim margins involved here.  Dublin have been the best side in the country over the past 18 months, but not much has to go wrong for someone else to take over that mantle.

Not that I'm hoping that happens, now.

[Bud Wiser]

Back to the game and thread title. When the final whistle blew here I noticed a bit of mutual respect among the players and along with the handshakes there were a few chats going on around the field.. That's what Laois need to earn more of and the only way they will do it is by putting in performances like Ross Munnelly and not by complaining. There was no calls to split Dublin into two teams for their hurlers a few years ago nor did Daly ask for Kilkenny and Cork to be split, he embraced what they were doing and did it better - because the mutual respect his team have now earned allows him to engage with other counties where valuable challenge games are part of his plan.

The dedication and time that is put in by the Dublin hurlers is hard to comprehend and it has nothing to do with the size of the county or money, neither of which ever put a ball in the back of the net. Unless we want to go back to the days of playing in peaked caps we should be trying to copy the Dubs. Population didn't bother Uruguay who are as small as Ireland when they won the World Cup among many other achievements in the same competition but we have our hymn sheet up on its stand ready to sing "we are too small as a nation" as soon as a ball hits the net. Nobody is too small on this planet, weak from lack of motivation maybe but never too small.

[BartSimpson]

Back to the game and thread title. When the final whistle blew here I noticed a bit of mutisl respect among the players and along with the handshakes there were a few chats going on around the field.. That's what Laois need to earn more of and the only way they will do it is by putting in performances like Ross Munnelly and not by complaining. There was no calls to split Dublin into two teams for their hurlers a few years ago nor did Daly ask foe Kilkenny and Cork to be split, he embraced what they were doing and did it better - because the mutual respect his team have now earned allows him to engage with other counties where valuable challenge games are part of his plan.

HThe dedication and time that is put in by the Dublin hurlers is hard to comprehend and it has nothing to do with the size of the county or money, neither of which ever put a ball in ghe back of the net. Unless we want to go back to the days of playing in peaked caps we should be trying to copy the Dubs. Population didn't bother Uruguay who are as small as Ireland when they won the World Cup among many other achievements in the same competition but we have our hymn sheet up on its stand ready to sing "we are too small as a nation" as soon as a ball hits the net. Nobody is too small on this planet, weak from lack of motivation maybe but never too small.

That's a terrific post.

[Thisonegoesto11]

Keep saying it , if the traditional  intercounty structure is broken up by splitting up Dublin then county mergers will be next.
Laois/Carlow v Fingal in the 1st round of the LSFC. Sligo/Leitrim v Galway in CFC.

Be careful what you wish for guys.

IMO if it was to happen (splitting Dublin) , it would be to STOP intercounty mergers happening rather than enabling them!
Again it is only in the event of Dublin dominance!

By the way - big crowds at games would soon be a thing of the past if one team was to completely dominate. It is in the interest of the game and fans/supporters to keep it competitive!

A competitive championship ( and reasonable ticket prices) will draw big crowds as will entertaining high scoring spectacles!

But surely if a team gets dominant, it shouldn't be handicapped in some way. It happens in all sports at different eras.  Imagine if they gave the Kilekenny team weights to carry in their socks to even out the hurling. Of course not, folk just begrudgingly admired them. We hoped one day they'd decline a little and others improved a little. Eventually it happened.

Anyway. If a team is going to be dominant. Then lets hope they play a brand of football that is pleasing to the eye.

IMO domination for a few years is one thing - like Kilkenny and Kerry etc
But should Dublin go on to be a complete one horse race in football for a decade or so then changes will be made
No matter how pleasing the  methods they employ, a one horse race would ensure all fans lose interest in the game let alone opposition fans

As the GAA is mostly or democratically culchie , the dubs would be outvoted rightly or wrongly

But, Dublin have a long way to go before they are dominating football.
They have yet to do two in a row let alone 5 in a row.
Lose b brogan and/or McCauley and they would struggle a wee bit IMO

Will be an interesting season as ever!

Dubs have won 2 AIs in 3 years. Likely they will win at least another one in the next couple of years. Won't be domination but success. There is an onus on other teams to improve. New teams emerge all the time. Again some decline while others improve.

Dublin have to strike while the iron's hot. Before we know it , we'll be saying a reluctant farewell to Clucko and the Brogans.  Massive players to replace.  Kerry lost too many good players over a short period of time which ended their success.They may need to wait another cycle to get back to the top.  Challenge for Dublin is to maintain the success when bringing in new players in the years ahead. Not as easy as some of the hysteria suggests.

[Dont Matter]

Just for those who don't know or are avoiding the truth, here's a table and list I've done before which show the link between money pumped into Dubl$n GAA and the huge increase in Provincial and All Ireland championships won:



Dubl$n's Bought Titles:

Senior
Football
All Ireland Senior Football Champions: 2011, 2013
Leinster Senior Football Champions: 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013
National Football League Champions: 2013, 2014

Hurling
Leinster Senior Hurling Champions: 2013
National Hurling League Titles: 2011

U21
Football
All Ireland u21 Football Champions: 2010, 2012
Leinster u21 Football Champions: 2009, 2010, 2012, 2014

Hurling
Leinster u21 Hurling Champions: 2010, 2011

Minor
Football
All Ireland Minor Football Champions: 2012
Leinster Minor Football Champions: 2009, 2011, 2012

Hurling
Leinster Minor Hurling Champions: 2011, 2012

[lynchbhoy]

So if the same money was 'pumped ' into Laois
Would they be at the same level in football and hurling as where Dublin are now?

[Bud Wiser]

No Lynchboy, in the year's Don't Matter is quoting there was money pumped in and instead of the teams getting close to Dublin the money was sucked out through a hole in the floor of the county board offices and went missing. In 2009 €39,000 of ticket sales money went missing and the county board were in turmoil,  half them resigned. County team selection was as close to a pint at the bar and the back of a cigarette box as you would get, outside managers brought in and they nearly ended up in the mental home from being pulled in all directions. I remember one year Ballinakill played in the county SH Final having won the U21 Final and yet had nobody on the county team.

That has all changed now and both codes have good managers. If the footballers perform well through the backdoor there is a lot to build on and the hurlers the same. A top six position in each code would be a start.  Calculating what progress we can make based on what money anyone else gets would be the finish.

[Dont Matter]

So if the same money was 'pumped ' into Laois
Would they be at the same level in football and hurling as where Dublin are now?

At senior level in football no, as Dubl$n already had a strongish base to build on. In hurling both sides were about even before the massive injection of cash. Can you imagine if Cork got all this money for example, they'd be mopping up all in front of them. The money is still flowing into Dubl$n GAA from public funds and money from OUR association, that's even after the massive sponsorship deal with aig.
All around the country clubs are struggling with lads emigrating etc and here we have the Dubs getting their players free cars, free fuel, meals cooked for the week for them, a World champion boxer telling them how to live the life etc etc. Why are people ok with this?