Things that make you go What the F**k?

[Armagh18]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

Not really. 7% of the prison population identify as travellers. Only 0.7% of overall population identify as travellers.

Near as bad as a certain demographic in America. But sure we're all racists if we mention either.

[J70]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

Not really. 7% of the prison population identify as travellers. Only 0.7% of overall population identify as travellers.

Near as bad as a certain demographic in America. But sure we're all racists if we mention either.

Sure why not have the courage of your convictions and lay out whatever case you feel needs to be made?


The fact that blacks constitute a disproportionate segment of the US prison population is a universally acknowledged fact.

[David McKeown]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

Not really. 7% of the prison population identify as travellers. Only 0.7% of overall population identify as travellers.

Of course you wouldn't expect the prison population to match the general population distribution. There's hundreds of reasons for that.  Crime being higher in traditionally impoverished areas being one of the most prevalent.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

Not really. 7% of the prison population identify as travellers. Only 0.7% of overall population identify as travellers.

Of course you wouldn't expect the prison population to match the general population distribution. There's hundreds of reasons for that.  Crime being higher in traditionally impoverished areas being one of the most prevalent.

What are the reasons for the higher crime rate?

[Tony Baloney]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

Not really. 7% of the prison population identify as travellers. Only 0.7% of overall population identify as travellers.

Of course you wouldn't expect the prison population to match the general population distribution. There's hundreds of reasons for that.  Crime being higher in traditionally impoverished areas being one of the most prevalent.

What are the reasons for the higher crime rate?

They choose to commit crime.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

Not really. 7% of the prison population identify as travellers. Only 0.7% of overall population identify as travellers.

Of course you wouldn't expect the prison population to match the general population distribution. There's hundreds of reasons for that.  Crime being higher in traditionally impoverished areas being one of the most prevalent.

What are the reasons for the higher crime rate?

They choose to commit crime.

Well thought their might be some bullshit narrative about their areas being deprived.

[Eire90]

What happened on the lifford-strabane bridge last night media have gone quiet apparantly ambulances boats and helicopters involved psni and garda closed bridge.


https://highlandradio.com/2024/03/03/lifford-bridge-closed-due-to-ongoing-incident/

[seafoid]

In the Last 6 years, Limerick have won 5 hurling titles, Dublin have won 4 football titles, Man City have won 5 Premiership titles and Shamrock Rovers have won 4 League of Ireland titles.

Last year, they all won a title.

[David McKeown]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

Not really. 7% of the prison population identify as travellers. Only 0.7% of overall population identify as travellers.

Of course you wouldn't expect the prison population to match the general population distribution. There's hundreds of reasons for that.  Crime being higher in traditionally impoverished areas being one of the most prevalent.

What are the reasons for the higher crime rate?

Criminology is a very complex area so I dont purport to explain it all.  There's plenty of interrelated criminogenic factors, median income, population density, age, gender balance all have major impacts on crime rates, as do other features.  For example petty crime has exploded in Northern Ireland since the end of the troubles.  There's a large number of reasons for that, but one of the main ones was the availability and trust in police to investigate same.  During the troubles there was a disproportionate number of protestant low level criminals but that was reflective of crime reports etc. I cant remember what the most recent figures were but they are much closer. 

The point I'm making is that in very few places in the world if any does the prison population match the breakdown of society,

[Dubh driocht]

Petty crime has not exploded since the end of the troubles.  In fact it has gone down.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/385106/crime-rate-in-northern-ireland/

[David McKeown]

Petty crime has not exploded since the end of the troubles.  In fact it has gone down.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/385106/crime-rate-in-northern-ireland/

Now it's been nearly 20 years since I studied Criminology but I don't think that link shows the whole story. The earliest figure I see on that link is from 2002. Which is not when the troubles ended. During the 80's and 90's total crime stood at I think around the mid 40's crime per 1000 people mark including terrorism offences. In 2002 it was over 60. It has come down since but given that the troubles crime rate included terrorism offences I stand by what I was taught which Professor Kieran McEvoy used to describe in his books as the Ulster Paradise.

Certainly Wikipedia and this article seem to suggest that was correct.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Northern_Ireland

https://cain.ulster.ac.uk/othelem/research/esrc7.htm

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

Not really. 7% of the prison population identify as travellers. Only 0.7% of overall population identify as travellers.

Of course you wouldn't expect the prison population to match the general population distribution. There's hundreds of reasons for that.  Crime being higher in traditionally impoverished areas being one of the most prevalent.

What are the reasons for the higher crime rate?

Criminology is a very complex area so I dont purport to explain it all.  There's plenty of interrelated criminogenic factors, median income, population density, age, gender balance all have major impacts on crime rates, as do other features.  For example petty crime has exploded in Northern Ireland since the end of the troubles.  There's a large number of reasons for that, but one of the main ones was the availability and trust in police to investigate same.  During the troubles there was a disproportionate number of protestant low level criminals but that was reflective of crime reports etc. I cant remember what the most recent figures were but they are much closer. 

The point I'm making is that in very few places in the world if any does the prison population match the breakdown of society,

Fair bit of nonsense

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

Not really. 7% of the prison population identify as travellers. Only 0.7% of overall population identify as travellers.

Of course you wouldn't expect the prison population to match the general population distribution. There's hundreds of reasons for that.  Crime being higher in traditionally impoverished areas being one of the most prevalent.

What are the reasons for the higher crime rate?

Criminology is a very complex area so I dont purport to explain it all.  There's plenty of interrelated criminogenic factors, median income, population density, age, gender balance all have major impacts on crime rates, as do other features.  For example petty crime has exploded in Northern Ireland since the end of the troubles.  There's a large number of reasons for that, but one of the main ones was the availability and trust in police to investigate same.  During the troubles there was a disproportionate number of protestant low level criminals but that was reflective of crime reports etc. I cant remember what the most recent figures were but they are much closer. 

The point I'm making is that in very few places in the world if any does the prison population match the breakdown of society,

"Complex" = Go away. Stop asking questions.  The judiciary wants you to stop looking at the obvious.

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[Dubh driocht]

Kieran McEvoy is a solid source but I would be surprised if he stated that petty crime exploded after the troubles. It's hard to get stats for the 90s but if we go back to the GFA in 98 there's a similar picture;
https://www.psni.police.uk/system/files/2023-11/456441561/Police%20Recorded%20Crime%20in%20Northern%20Ireland%201998-99%20to%202022-23.pdf
I accept that it's a complex discussion; however the old cliché that paramilitaries kept a lid on crime doesn't stand up to any serious scrutiny (acknowledging that's not what you said)

[David McKeown]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

Not really. 7% of the prison population identify as travellers. Only 0.7% of overall population identify as travellers.

Of course you wouldn't expect the prison population to match the general population distribution. There's hundreds of reasons for that.  Crime being higher in traditionally impoverished areas being one of the most prevalent.

What are the reasons for the higher crime rate?

Criminology is a very complex area so I dont purport to explain it all.  There's plenty of interrelated criminogenic factors, median income, population density, age, gender balance all have major impacts on crime rates, as do other features.  For example petty crime has exploded in Northern Ireland since the end of the troubles.  There's a large number of reasons for that, but one of the main ones was the availability and trust in police to investigate same.  During the troubles there was a disproportionate number of protestant low level criminals but that was reflective of crime reports etc. I cant remember what the most recent figures were but they are much closer. 

The point I'm making is that in very few places in the world if any does the prison population match the breakdown of society,

Fair bit of nonsense

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

Not really. 7% of the prison population identify as travellers. Only 0.7% of overall population identify as travellers.

Of course you wouldn't expect the prison population to match the general population distribution. There's hundreds of reasons for that.  Crime being higher in traditionally impoverished areas being one of the most prevalent.

What are the reasons for the higher crime rate?

Criminology is a very complex area so I dont purport to explain it all.  There's plenty of interrelated criminogenic factors, median income, population density, age, gender balance all have major impacts on crime rates, as do other features.  For example petty crime has exploded in Northern Ireland since the end of the troubles.  There's a large number of reasons for that, but one of the main ones was the availability and trust in police to investigate same.  During the troubles there was a disproportionate number of protestant low level criminals but that was reflective of crime reports etc. I cant remember what the most recent figures were but they are much closer. 

The point I'm making is that in very few places in the world if any does the prison population match the breakdown of society,

"Complex" = Go away. Stop asking questions.  The judiciary wants you to stop looking at the obvious.

No complex means not something that I as someone who only practices criminal law, hasn't studied criminology since my under grad degree and has very poor written communication skills is going to be able to accurately explain in a short message on a discussion forum.

For example crime increases dramatically in a recession. So do personal injury claims. Is there one reason for this?  No there are several.

Crime increases in post conflict society again there's no singular reason but there are plenty of complicated interrelated reasons.

Do harsher sentences act a deterrent? No again differing reasons for that depending on the type of crime.

I see quite often media wishing to boil these issues down into sound bites and over simplify what are actually complex issues.

[David McKeown]

Kieran McEvoy is a solid source but I would be surprised if he stated that petty crime exploded after the troubles. It's hard to get stats for the 90s but if we go back to the GFA in 98 there's a similar picture;
https://www.psni.police.uk/system/files/2023-11/456441561/Police%20Recorded%20Crime%20in%20Northern%20Ireland%201998-99%20to%202022-23.pdf
I accept that it's a complex discussion; however the old cliché that paramilitaries kept a lid on crime doesn't stand up to any serious scrutiny (acknowledging that's not what you said)

Well it wouldn't be the first time I had misremembered something I thought someone had said in a lecture but I'm pretty confident he did.

I don't think paramilitaries particularly kept a lid on crime (at least not in terms of acting as a deterrent)although there may have been some small element of that but there are some inter related issues that spin off from that. Crime not being reported in certain areas and instead anti social behaviour being dealt with by punishment beating. As a result crimes occurring but not be reported, investigated or making their way into statistics for example.

You are entirely correct though about the difficulty in getting accurate statistics from that time.

I should have all my lectures from my time recorded. I must see if I can fish them out and check that I'm remembering correctly.