The Many Faces of US Politics...

[Keyser soze]

Whitey keeps mentioning Clinton and Kennedy in connection with sexual harassment and sexual assault, what are the specific allegations against them, I know Bill played the harmonica :-) and did a bit of philandering, and Kennedy was involve in Chappaquiddick but I can't recall allegations of harassment or assault against them. though in fairness I have a shit memory lol.

[whitey]

Whitey keeps mentioning Clinton and Kennedy in connection with sexual harassment and sexual assault, what are the specific allegations against them, I know Bill played the harmonica :-) and did a bit of philandering, and Kennedy was involve in Chappaquiddick but I can't recall allegations of harassment or assault against them. though in fairness I have a shit memory lol.

Bill Clinton was actually accused of rape and sexual assault and paid settlements to several women for those indiscretions.  Apart from Chapaquidick (where he left a young woman to drown in his car) Ted Kennedy was a renowned alcoholic who was infamous for grabbing and groping women especially waitresses....of course he got a free pass from the press on much of what he did because he was a Kennedy

[J70]

Whitey keeps mentioning Clinton and Kennedy in connection with sexual harassment and sexual assault, what are the specific allegations against them, I know Bill played the harmonica :-) and did a bit of philandering, and Kennedy was involve in Chappaquiddick but I can't recall allegations of harassment or assault against them. though in fairness I have a shit memory lol.

Bill Clinton was actually accused of rape and sexual assault and paid settlements to several women for those indiscretions.  Apart from Chapaquidick (where he left a young woman to drown in his car) Ted Kennedy was a renowned alcoholic who was infamous for grabbing and groping women especially waitresses....of course he got a free pass from the press on much of what he did because he was a Kennedy

Chappaquidick should have, at least, ended his public career, but I think you're being a bit disingenuous with the drinking and harassment bit. Did the press hold ANYONE accountable for that type of behaviour?

[whitey]

Whitey keeps mentioning Clinton and Kennedy in connection with sexual harassment and sexual assault, what are the specific allegations against them, I know Bill played the harmonica :-) and did a bit of philandering, and Kennedy was involve in Chappaquiddick but I can't recall allegations of harassment or assault against them. though in fairness I have a shit memory lol.

Bill Clinton was actually accused of rape and sexual assault and paid settlements to several women for those indiscretions.  Apart from Chapaquidick (where he left a young woman to drown in his car) Ted Kennedy was a renowned alcoholic who was infamous for grabbing and groping women especially waitresses....of course he got a free pass from the press on much of what he did because he was a Kennedy

Chappaquidick should have, at least, ended his public career, but I think you're being a bit disingenuous with the drinking and harassment bit. Did the press hold ANYONE accountable for that type of behaviour?

Why do you always have to stick up for theses fvcks?

I have lived in MA pretty much for the past 25 years....I know people personally who worked at bars, country clubs and marinas down the Cape where the Kennedys hung out.  Ted Kennedy was a fvckin disgrace

https://www.gq.com/story/kennedy-ted-senator-profile

[J70]

Whitey keeps mentioning Clinton and Kennedy in connection with sexual harassment and sexual assault, what are the specific allegations against them, I know Bill played the harmonica :-) and did a bit of philandering, and Kennedy was involve in Chappaquiddick but I can't recall allegations of harassment or assault against them. though in fairness I have a shit memory lol.

Bill Clinton was actually accused of rape and sexual assault and paid settlements to several women for those indiscretions.  Apart from Chapaquidick (where he left a young woman to drown in his car) Ted Kennedy was a renowned alcoholic who was infamous for grabbing and groping women especially waitresses....of course he got a free pass from the press on much of what he did because he was a Kennedy

Chappaquidick should have, at least, ended his public career, but I think you're being a bit disingenuous with the drinking and harassment bit. Did the press hold ANYONE accountable for that type of behaviour?

Why do you always have to stick up for theses fvcks?

I have lived in MA pretty much for the past 25 years....I know people personally who worked at bars, country clubs and marinas down the Cape where the Kennedys hung out.  Ted Kennedy was a fvckin disgrace

https://www.gq.com/story/kennedy-ted-senator-profile

Where did I stick up for them?

[whitey]

"but I think you're being a bit disingenuous with the drinking and harassment bit"

[J70]

"but I think you're being a bit disingenuous with the drinking and harassment bit"

Why did you leave out the "Did the press hold ANYONE accountable for that type of behaviour?" part of my post??

[whitey]

"but I think you're being a bit disingenuous with the drinking and harassment bit"

Why did you leave out the "Did the press hold ANYONE accountable for that type of behaviour?" part of my post??

Re read your sentence. There's a full stop in between your statements

Are you saying the drinking and harassment didn't happen.,..because it absolutely did

Or are you saying I'm disingenuous because the press didn't hold anyone accountable back then so Ted was just another rich white guy getting a pass

[J70]

"but I think you're being a bit disingenuous with the drinking and harassment bit"

Why did you leave out the "Did the press hold ANYONE accountable for that type of behaviour?" part of my post??

Re read your sentence. There's a full stop in between your statements

Are you saying the drinking and harassment didn't happen.,..because it absolutely did

Or are you saying I'm disingenuous because the press didn't hold anyone accountable back then so Ted was just another rich white guy getting a pass

Obviously I'm not saying drinking and harassment didn't happen, so yes, last sentence. Although I don't think anyone was held accountable for such behaviour by anyone, never mind by the press. Women just had to grin and bear it.

[Eamonnca1]

I am quite enjoying seeing the liberals lose their mind at the prospect of Roy Moore in the Senate. 

Oh. My. God.

[Gabriel_Hurl]

I am quite enjoying seeing the liberals lose their mind at the prospect of Roy Moore in the Senate. 

How shitty is your life?

[Eamonnca1]

For his next trick he'll probably say he'd like to have seen Jimmy Saville becoming Tory leader just to p1ss off "liberals."

On a day when the conservatives of Alabama are going out to vote for an alleged paedophile, these people still have the audacity to use the word "liberal" as if it's a term of abuse. They are beyond satire.

[whitey]

They'd be losing their minds regardless of whether it was Mitt Romneys "binders" or John Kasichs "housewives leaving their kitchens". 30 years of rank hypocrisy and double standards is coming back to haunt the Democrats and they can go fvck themselves as far as I'm concerned

And BTW, read the totality of what I wrote on the matter.....I also said Roy Moore should be thrown out of the Senate if he gets elected

[screenexile]

They'd be losing their minds regardless of whether it was Mitt Romneys "binders" or John Kasichs "housewives leaving their kitchens". 30 years of rank hypocrisy and double standards is coming back to haunt the Democrats and they can go fvck themselves as far as I'm concerned

And BTW, read the totality of what I wrote on the matter.....I also said Roy Moore should be thrown out of the Senate if he gets elected

He's OK now... his wife was very clear that their Attorney is a Jew so they can't be racist!

[seafoid]

 This is a huge theme.  The way the 1% are degrading politics


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/11/the-prospect-of-a-roy-moore-victory-should-make-your-stomach-churn-with-fear

What is happening to the Republicans under Trump is a process whereby the base radicalises the establishment, and the establishment then feels empowered to begin dismantling aspects of democracy. Moore has stated that the last time the US was great was "at the time when families were united – even though we had slavery" – although not the families of black people, which were, of course, torn apart.

However, the historical parallels are more recent. In his study of the rise of Nazism and the fall of the Weimar republic, the leftwing German historian Hans Mommsen identified three destabilisers defying the textbook explanation that "Nazis were evil and the German bourgeoisie naive".

The first was the rise of conservative paramilitary combat leagues, numbering at least 400,000 before the Nazi brownshirts took off. Although their aim was always declared to be keeping order, the combat leagues created a paralysis in the official policing structures that the Nazis exploited in their march to power. The second was the corruption of the judiciary. In a series of court cases, most notably when they upheld the libellous charge that the moderate socialist leader Friedrich Ebert had committed treason, the German courts eviscerated the republican constitution on which Weimar democracy had been based. The third destabiliser was the resort to rule by decree under conservative chancellors after 1930, sidelining the elected parliament – again with the approval of the courts.
Following this process through the collapse of Weimar democracy, the Nazi years in power and the Holocaust, Mommsen dubbed it "cumulative radicalisation". Far from exhibiting naivety, the German business class became increasingly complicit in hollowing out parliamentary democracy, always under the pressure of a radical, plebeian, racist voting base.
 
is hard to look at the US today without seeing the cumulative radicalisation of the right: there are militias – not just of the classic gun-toting variety, but regimented groups of younger, more urbanised men, mobilised via internet message boardsdevoted to violent misogyny and racism, such as the Proud Boys. There are figures such as Moore prepared to defy the constitution, and a network of more than 200 law enforcers in the "constitutional sheriffs" movement – which claims that an elected local sheriff should be able to overrule federal law.

And now we have the beginnings of rule by diktat, not only in the frequent presidential decrees and arbitrary sackings of officials by the White House, but in Congress itself. The Republicans sprang a massive and detailed amendment to the tax bill just a few hours before it was due to be voted on. Trump's Treasury secretary, Steve Mnuchin, has offered scant analysis of the effects on debt or distribution arising from the new tax bill and deleted a study from the Treasury website that was implicitly critical. The normal processes of democracy are being short-circuited.

victory for Moore on Tuesday will up the tempo of rightwing radicalisation. Nobody needs to say that a new secession by the south, as his backers want, is impossible, or that a US run by local sheriffs in defiance of the federal courts is a neofascist fantasy. These are signifiers for a more practical programme of tolerance for racist policing, limits on abortion rights and the shrinkage of the state.



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There is not a single major company in the US whose material interest aligns with the political programme of Moore, not even Koch Industries, which has bankrolled the Tea Party movement, nor Rupert Murdoch's Fox Corporation, which has boosted the rightwing agenda. In most global corporations, the language Moore and his supporters use could not even be uttered in the restrooms, let alone the boardroom.