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Title: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Lone Shark on April 26, 2007, 02:10:54 AM
A bit of a shameless plug here, but feck it, I think there are enough people interested in betting on this board for it not to be spam.

Anyway, as many of ye know, I'm entering into my first summer as Ladbrokes GAA compiler, and seeing as PP appear to have the edge in terms of "nice guy" image, I'm trying to fight back by taking the GAA product to relatively new levels. Some of ye may have noticed this over the winter, but anyway, here's my next attempt. I do more in running than them, I do more matches than them, I do more handicap matches than them, and still ye don't bet with us, so I have to keep trying to win ye hoors over ....  :P

Anyway, aside from the usual, who will win the All Ireland and provinces, here's another rake of stuff. Top Scorer and to reach the quarter final is nothing new, but I said I'd post them up anyway rather than put them online, have every other bookie copy me and then have ye all post them up as if they were original work from Boyles or God help us, Eastwoods. (Have Eastwoods ever put up a GAA bet they haven't copied from elsewhere????)

I've also put in top Goalscorer, but hopefully of more interest is I've done up a few special bets for each county. Now obviously I'm not from each county, so a lot of them are a bit guesswork-y - I've tried to make them relevant, but I'm open to suggestion if people have ideas for anything else they'd like to see. Some are a bit repetitive, but if any of ye think ye could do better putting up a rake of specials for Antrim, Clare and Tipperary football ye're welcome to try.

Anyway, here goes, and go easy on me.....

               
   Who Will be the Top Goalscorer in the Football Championship?            

8/1    Stephen McDonnell   40/1    Dessie Dolan   66/1    Daniel Goulding
10/1    Colm Cooper   40/1    Denis Glennon   66/1    Michael Reidy
10/1    Kieran Donaghy   40/1    Jason Reilly   80/1    David Barden
12/1    Conor Mortimer   40/1    Darren Horan   80/1    Paul Barden
16/1    Mattie Forde   40/1    Alan Dillon   80/1    Ciarán O'Reilly
16/1    Brian Farrell   50/1    Darren Clarke    80/1    Rory Kavanagh
16/1    Declan Quill   50/1    Jason Sherlock   80/1    Gerard Pierson
16/1    James Masters   50/1    Conal Keaney   80/1    Rory Gallagher
20/1    John Doyle   50/1    Joe Sheridan   80/1    Enda Kenny
20/1    Brendan Devenney   50/1    Jason Phillips   80/1    Rory Donnelly
20/1    Padraig Joyce   50/1    Owen Mulligan   80/1    Declan Browne
20/1    Michael Meehan   50/1    Daniel Hughes   80/1    Sean Cavanagh
20/1    Eoin Brosnan   50/1    Tommy Freeman   80/1    Thomas Deehan
20/1    Michael Cussen   50/1    Mark Brehony   100/1    Paul Earls
25/1    Stephen O'Neill   50/1    Seán Davey   100/1    Derek Hayden
25/1    Benny Coulter   50/1    Karol Mannion   100/1    Christy Toye
25/1    Paddy Bradley   50/1    Bryan Sheehan   100/1    Shane Smith
25/1    Enda Muldoon   50/1    Sean Armstrong   100/1    Paddy Cunningham
33/1    Shane Lennon   50/1    Trevor Mortimer   100/1    Wayne Hennessy
33/1    Alan Brogan   66/1    Graham Geraghty   100/1    Ciarán McManus
33/1    Tomás Quinn   66/1    Colm McFadden   100/1    Denis Russell
33/1    Niall McNamee   66/1    Ciarán Hanratty   200/1    Tommy Gill
33/1    Ger Heneghan   66/1    Ciarán Duignan   200/1    Mark Carpenter
33/1    Oisín McConville   66/1    Cormac Bane   200/1    Ciarán Close
40/1    Brian Kavanagh   66/1    Mike Frank Russell   200/1    Brian Wall
               
               
   Others on Request - Dead Heat Rules Apply            
   Each Way 1/4 the odds 1-2-3-4            
   Includes Provincial, Qualifier and All Ireland series matches and replays only.             
   Does not include Tommy Murphy Cup            
            
      
Which of the following counties will reach an All Ireland Quarter Final?      
      
Kerry       1/20
Mayo       3/10
Tyrone       1/3
Cork       4/11
Dublin       2/5
Galway       1/2
Laois      10/11
Donegal      10/11
Derry      10/11
Armagh       1/1
Roscommon       1/1
Monaghan       9/4
Limerick       9/4
Sligo       5/2
Meath      10/3
Wexford       7/2
Kildare       7/2
Westmeath       4/1
Cavan       9/2
Louth       5/1
Offaly      11/2
Down       6/1
Longford       7/1
Leitrim       8/1
Fermanagh      10/1
Antrim      16/1
Tipperary      25/1
Clare       33/1
Wicklow      50/1
Carlow      66/1
Waterford      66/1
New York      100/1
London      100/1
      
All Quoted      


            
Who will be Top Scorer in the Football Championship?             
            
Stephen McDonnell       5/1       
Conor Mortimer       5/1       
James Masters       5/1       
John Doyle       8/1       
Stephen O'Neill      10/1       
Colm Cooper      10/1       
Bryan Sheehan      12/1       
Mattie Forde      14/1       
Oisín McConville      16/1       
Declan Quill      16/1       
Owen Mulligan      16/1       
Paddy Bradley      16/1       
Mark Brehony      16/1       
Padraig Joyce      16/1       
Dessie Dolan      20/1       
Brian Farrell      20/1       
Brendan Devenney      20/1       
Darren Clarke      25/1       
Ciarán Duignan      25/1       
Michael Meehan      33/1       
Nicky Joyce      33/1       
Colm McFadden      33/1       
Tomás Quinn      33/1       
Niall McNamee      33/1       
Gerard Pierson      33/1       
Tommy Freeman      33/1       
Michael Reidy      33/1       
Ger Heneghan      33/1       
Ross Munnelly      40/1       
Brian McDonald      40/1       
Conal Keaney      40/1       
Benny Coulter      40/1       
Brian Kavanagh      50/1       
Ciarán O'Reilly      50/1       
Daniel Hughes      66/1       
Declan Browne      66/1       
Paddy Cunningham      80/1       
Tommy Gill      100/1       
Denis Russell      100/1       
Paul Earls      200/1       
Mark Carpenter      200/1       
Wayne Hennessy      200/1       
Brian Kelly      200/1       

            
Others on Request - Dead Heat Rules Apply            
Each Way 1/5 the odds 1-2-3-4            
Includes Provincial, Qualifier and All Ireland series matches and replays only.             
Does not include Tommy Murphy Cup            

2007 GAA Football Championship Specials – County by County

*All Specials pertain to the football season of 2007 only*
*Top scorer in a provincial championship means only games in that championship – not highest scorer from the province in the AI series overall*


Antrim

4/1      To win the Tommy Murphy Cup

33/1      Paddy Cunningham to win an All Star

2/1      Either Ciarán or Paul Close to hit the crossbar or post against Derry

6/1      Antrim to reach this year's Ulster Final

3/1      Antrim to draw any championship/Tommy Murphy Cup match

3/1   Paddy Cunningham to score more than the rest of the Antrim team combined in the Ulster Championship

Armagh

10/1      Paul Hearty to win an All Star

4/1      Andy Mallon to win an All Star

5/1      Any member of this year's Under 21 panel to win an All Star award

1/1   Stephen McDonnell to score more than the rest of the Armagh Panel combined in the championship this summer

2/1   Any individual Armagh player to score more championship goals than Stephen McDonnell

4/6   Armagh to meet Tyrone at any stage this summer

2/1   Armagh to win any match having been behind with five minutes or less remaining

Carlow

16/1      To win the Tommy Murphy Cup

40/1      Derek Hayden to win an All Star

50/1      Brian Kelly to win an All Star

20/1      Any Wicklow intercounty player to transfer to Carlow this summer

4/1      To lead Offaly at half time in the Leinster Quarter Final

33/1      To reach a Leinster Final


Cavan

33/1      Rory Gallagher to win an All Star

16/1      Anthony Forde to win an All Star

10/1      For no Reilly or O'Reilly to be on the field during a match at any stage

6/1      To reach the Ulster Final

16/1      To reach an All Ireland Semi Final

4/1      To score 5 or more goals in the Ulster Championship

2/1      Jason Reilly to score more goals than any other individual Cavan Player

Clare

3/1      To win the Tommy Murphy Cup

8/1      To knock Kerry out of the Munster Championship

33/1      Conor Whelan to win an All Star

33/1      Rory Donnelly to win an All Star

5/1      Páidí Ó'Sé to resign before the Tommy Murphy Cup starts

1/1      To score 30 points or more in the Munster Championship

Cork

5/1   Noel O'Leary to start every championship match this summer and receive no yellow or red cards

100/1   Setanta or Aisake Ó'hAilpín to start any championship game for the Cork footballers this summer

6/1      Anthony Lynch to win an All Star

5/1      Eoin Sexton to win an All Star

2/1      Michael Cussen to score a goal against Kerry

16/1      Nicholas Murphy to get sent off against Kerry

100/1      Nicholas Murphy and Dara Ó'Sé both to get sent off in the Munster final

1/1      Any Cork intercounty player to have a suspension removed on appeal

Derry

8/1      Kevin McCloy to win an All Star

5/1      Mark Lynch to win an All Star

5/1      Derry to be eliminated before Paddy Bradley returns from Suspension

2/1   Enda Muldoon to score more championship goals than any other Derry player

8/11   To Reach the Ulster Final

4/1   To Reach an All Ireland Semi Final

Donegal

5/1      Paddy Campbell to win an All Star

6/1      Kevin Cassidy to win an All Star

3/1      To reach an All Ireland Semi Final

6/4      Donegal to go the whole championship without a red Card

8/1      Donegal to lose the Ulster Final

2/1      Adrian Sweeney to start any championship match

1/1   Three or more different Donegal forwards to score a goal in any single championship match

Down

25/1      Dan Gordon to win an All Star

20/1      Ronan Sexton to win an All Star

8/1      To Reach an Ulster Final

1/1      To draw at least one match this summer

7/1      To score more goals than any other team in the Ulster championship

1/1      To get past the first round of the qualifiers

Dublin

4/1      Stephen Cluxton to win an All Star

8/1      Darren Magee to win an All Star

2/1      To play a championship match outside of Croke Park

5/1      Dublin to play any match where no southside club player scores.

2/1   Dublin to be eliminated from the championship by a team they led by at least five points at any stage.

5/1   A picture of Paul Caffrey on duty in Croke Park for any non-Dublin game to be printed in a national newspaper

1/1   Dublin to meet Kerry at any stage

4/1   Dublin to beat Kerry at any stage   

Fermanagh

6/1      Barry Owens to win an All Star

12/1      Shane McDermott to win an All Star

11/10      Fermanagh to get past the first round of qualifiers

16/1      Fermanagh to reach the Ulster Final

25/1      Fermanagh to reach an All Ireland Semi Final

8/11      Fermanagh to score a goal in the Ulster Championship

Galway

10/1      Ja Fallon to win an All Star

50/1      Cormac Bane to win an All Star

3/1      Both Nicky and Padraig Joyce to score a goal in any one match

6/1      Both Declan and Michael Meehan to score in any one match

6/4      Galway to reach an All Ireland Semi Final

9/1      Galway to meet Mayo again in the All Ireland series (Not including replay)

3/1   Galway footballers to go at least one step further than Galway hurlers in the All Ireland Series

Kerry

5/4      Dara Ó'Sé to win an All Star

12/1      Declan Quill to win an All Star

16/1      Dara Ó'Sé to get sent off against Cork

100/1      Nicholas Murphy and Dara Ó'Sé both to get sent off in the Munster final

5/1      Kerry to win the All Ireland without meeting an Ulster team

4/1   Kerry and Cork to meet in the All Ireland series (i.e. not Munster Championship)

33/1   Kerry to beat Mayo by 8 points or more in the All Ireland final

10/1   Kerry to fail to make the Munster Final

Kildare

6/1      Anthony Rainbow to win an All Star

25/1      Jason Phillips to win an All Star

8/1      Kildare to reach the Leinster Final

2/1      John Doyle to be the top scorer in the Leinster Championship

4/7      Kildare to reach at least the second round of the qualifiers

5/4   John Doyle to score more than the rest of the Kildare panel combined in the Leinster Championship

14/1      Kildare to reach an All Ireland Semi Final

Laois

2/1      Donie Brennan to start any championship match this summer

25/1      Colm Begley to start any championship match this summer

20/1      Cahir Healy to win an All Star

5/1      Brendan Quigley to win an All Star

5/2      Any under 21 player to win an All Star

5/2      To meet any bordering county in the Championship this summer

7/2      To reach an All Ireland Semi Final

Leitrim

33/1      Shane Foley to win an All Star

33/1       Barry McWeeney to win an All Star

2/1      To beat any team from Ireland in the Championship

8/1   To play the entire championship meeting only teams that wear some green in their main jersey

10/1   To lose the Connacht Semi Final by a single point.

16/1   To beat London by a single point

Limerick

16/1      John McCarthy to win an All Star

33/1      Darren Horan to win an All Star

4/1   Neither Limerick nor Cork to score ten times or more in the Munster Quarter Final

5/2      To draw at least one game

4/1      To be eliminated from the qualifiers/All Ireland series by a single point

14/1      To make an All Ireland Semi Final

London

50/1      To win the Tommy Murphy Cup

5/2      To win at least one championship/Tommy Murphy game

6/4      To lead Leitrim at half time in the Connacht Quarter Final

2/1      To lose by between 1 and 4 points against Leitrim

1/1      To score three or more goals in the championship/Tommy Murphy Cup

Longford

25/1      Bernard McElvaney to win an All Star

33/1      Brian Kavanagh to win an All Star

5/1      To score more goals than any other team in the Leinster Championship

5/4      To Score more goals than Westmeath in the Leinster 1st round match

1/1      To lose a game in which they score 16 points or more.

2/1      To meet any bordering county other than Westmeath in the Championship

Louth

25/1      Jamie Carr to win an All Star

8/1      Paddy Keenan to win an All Star

4/1      To reach a Leinster Final

100/1      To meet and draw with Tyrone

25/1      To meet and lose to Meath having been ahead at half time.

5/1      To score more goals than any other team in the Leinster championship

20/1      To reach an All Ireland Semi Final

Mayo

2/1      David Brady to start any championship game this summer

2/1      Peadar Gardiner to win an All Star

5/1       Billy Joe Padden to win an All Star

4/1      To be knocked out of the All Ireland Series by Kerry

8/1      To knock Kerry out of the All Ireland series

9/1      To meet Galway in the All Ireland Series (i.e. not Connacht Championship)

2/1      Pierce Hanley to start any championship game this summer

Meath

16/1      Darren Fay to win an All Star

10/1      Brian Farrell to win an All Star

3/1      Stephen Bray to score more goals than Brian Farrell in the championship

5/1      Shane O'Rourke to start any championship match

4/1      To win any game having been six points or more behind

5/1      To knock Dublin out of the Leinster Championship

25/1      To win the Leinster title beating only bordering counties

Monaghan

16/1      Colm Flanagan to win an All Star

20/1      Ciarán Hanratty to win an All Star

10/1      Any member of the U-21 team to win an All Star

3/1      Tommy Freeman to score three or more goals in the championship

16/1      Tommy and Damien Freeman to both score a goal in the same game

5/2      To reach the Ulster Final

2/1      To fail to score a goal in the Ulster Championship

New York

3/1      To lead Sligo at half time in the Connacht quarter final

5/1      To lead Sligo with ten minutes to go in the Connacht quarter Final

20/1      To beat Sligo and refuse to play the Connacht semi final in Ireland

20/1      To enter the Tommy Murphy Cup

5/1      To score three or more goals against Sligo

2/1      Any member of the Sligo (NY) club to score against Sligo

Offaly

33/1      James Keane to win an All Star

10/1      Niall McNamee to win an All Star

20/1      To be disqualified from a game for playing a suspended player

3/1      Karol Slattery to score in every Leinster championship match Offaly play

5/1      Ciarán McManus to score a goal from outside the 21 metre line

1/1   The same midfield combination to start successive games in the championship

20/1   To reach an All Ireland Semi Final

5/4   To lose a game where they score more points than the opposition

Roscommon

5/1      Frankie Dolan to start any championship game this summer

100/1   Frankie Dolan, Francie Grehan and Shane Curran all to start at least one championship game this summer

20/1   Stuart Daly to win an All Star

16/1   Cathal Cregg to win an All Star

3/1   To win a game where they score less points than the opposition

2/1   To score at least one goal in every championship match

1/2   To fail to reach the All Ireland Quarter Finals

Sligo

33/1       Johnny Davey to win an All Star

8/1      Mark Brehony to win an All Star

1/1      Eamonn O'Hara to get sent off in any championship match this summer

3/1   Eamonn O'Hara to start every championship match and get no yellow or red cards

3/1   To trail New York at half time

6/4   To draw at least one match

6/4   To reach the Connacht Final

Tipperary

6/1      To win the Tommy Murphy Cup

33/1      Any Tipp player other than Declan Browne to be nominated for an All Star

5/1      To reach the Munster Final

5/4   The rest of the Tipp team to score more than Declan Browne in the Munster Championship

16/1      Declan Browne to win an All Star

2/1      Tipperary to score two or more goals in the Munster Championship


Tyrone

8/1      Raymond Mulgrew to win an All Star

2/1      Conor Gormley to win an All Star

1/1      To reach the All Ireland Semi Final

4/1   Ryan McMenamin to start every game for Tyrone and not receive any yellow or red cards

3/1   To knock Kerry out of the All Ireland Series

4/6   To meet Armagh at any stage

1/1   To draw any match

Waterford

5/1   Michael "Brick" Walsh to start at least one game for Waterford footballers this summer

50/1   Brian Wall to win an All Star

40/1   Gary Hurney to win an All Star

33/1   To reach the Munster Final

12/1   To win the Tommy Murphy Cup

4/6   To fail to win any championship or Tommy Murphy cup match   

Westmeath

12/1      Gary Connaughton to win an All Star

16/1      John Keane to win an All Star

6/1      Dessie Dolan to be top scorer in the Leinster championship

10/1      Fergal Wilson to score a point TV cameras subsequently prove to be wide

1/1      John Connellan to start Westmeath's last championship match this summer

5/1      Westmeath to meet Meath at any stage this summer

Wexford

8/1      Ciarán Deeley to win an All Star

25/1      Colm Morris to win an All Star

4/1      Mattie Forde to be the top scorer in the Leinster Championship

3/1      Wexford to reach the Leinster Final

10/1   Wexford footballers to go at least one step further in the All Ireland series than Wexford Hurlers

1/1   Wexford to win two or more championship games this summer

2/1   John Cooper to save a penalty


Wicklow

33/1      Thomas Walsh to win an All Star

20/1      Leighton Glynn to win an All Star

3/1      Wicklow to win the Tommy Murphy Cup

20/1      Wicklow to reach the Leinster Final

20/1      Thomas Walsh to transfer back to Carlow before the end of July

1/1   Wicklow to field at least three players transferred in from outside the county this summer in either the championship or Tommy Murphy Cup

1/1   Paul Earls to score a goal in the Leinster Championship this summer








Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: ClosetotheHarte on April 26, 2007, 02:30:37 AM
Interesting stuff Lone Shark. That must have taken you a few minutes.
It's too late now to study it all but I'll be back. Tyrone at 3/1 to knock Kerry out catches the eye!
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Deal_Me_In on April 26, 2007, 07:55:25 AM
Lone Shark some interesting bets there, some totally unrealistic but thats betting. Was wondering what spread bets you are offering for things like the total number of draws throughout the championship, total number of goals, points etc.
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Aristotle Flynn on April 26, 2007, 08:00:50 AM
Some very interesting bets there shark. Good man. Are there any Ladbrooks shops in the North? I never see them. With about 60% of the posters on here being from Ulster that might explain why we tend not to bet with you. I bet with Boyles or Paddy Power on line the odd time because their sites are easy to use. I also use tele betting with Eastwoods because gambling sites are blocked at my work. Do Ladbrooks have those facilities?

Any price on Wicklow to win the Christy Ring? I make Westmeath favourites with Wicklow a good outside beat.
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Spiritof98 on April 26, 2007, 08:42:37 AM
Like the individual county options, would like to know what price Ronan Clarke winning and all star and Armagh the Nicky Rackard
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Gnevin on April 26, 2007, 08:51:15 AM
5/1      Dublin to play any match where no southside club player scores.  isnt great ,  Keaney , Cosgrove and Vaughan ,O'Mahony or Magee  not to score 1 between them

What the odds of David O'Callaghan playing for the footballers this year?
Or jayo's club being listed as Na Fianna by some lazy paper
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Mayo4Sam on April 26, 2007, 09:50:33 AM
This has to be the easiest money!

5/1   A picture of Paul Caffrey on duty in Croke Park for any non-Dublin game to be printed in a national newspaper
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Gnevin on April 26, 2007, 10:33:57 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on April 26, 2007, 09:50:33 AM
This has to be the easiest money!

5/1   A picture of Paul Caffrey on duty in Croke Park for any non-Dublin game to be printed in a national newspaper

25/1      To win the Leinster title beating only bordering counties

What does this mean ?
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: cavan4ever on April 26, 2007, 10:47:39 AM
Waterford

4/6   To fail to win any championship or Tommy Murphy cup match   
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That looks a good enough bet.  Might put it in with a double.

No price for Offally to win Tommy Murphy Cup though they were in it it if they don't get to lenister Final.
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Uladh on April 26, 2007, 10:52:36 AM

Jayo has moved clubs?
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Mayo4Sam on April 26, 2007, 11:06:37 AM
Quote from: Gnevin on April 26, 2007, 10:33:57 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on April 26, 2007, 09:50:33 AM
This has to be the easiest money!

5/1   A picture of Paul Caffrey on duty in Croke Park for any non-Dublin game to be printed in a national newspaper

25/1      To win the Leinster title beating only bordering counties

What does this mean ?

It means beating only kildare, meath, wickla
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Gnevin on April 26, 2007, 11:24:38 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on April 26, 2007, 11:06:37 AM
Quote from: Gnevin on April 26, 2007, 10:33:57 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on April 26, 2007, 09:50:33 AM
This has to be the easiest money!

5/1   A picture of Paul Caffrey on duty in Croke Park for any non-Dublin game to be printed in a national newspaper

25/1      To win the Leinster title beating only bordering counties

What does this mean ?

It means beating only kildare, meath, wickla
Well thats impossible then they have to beat Dublin to win it
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Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Gnevin on April 26, 2007, 11:25:22 AM
Quote from: Uladh on April 26, 2007, 10:52:36 AM

Jayo has moved clubs?
Yeah to plunkets , Brogans club
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Uladh on April 26, 2007, 11:25:37 AM


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Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Gnevin on April 26, 2007, 11:33:15 AM
Quote from: Uladh on April 26, 2007, 11:25:37 AM

Jesus wept
What?
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Lone Shark on April 26, 2007, 11:37:24 AM
Okay, only online for a few minutes here, but I'll try and fly through a few of the comments....

(1) Bad phrasing on my part - Meath to win Leinster beating only bordering counties - i.e. Kildare, then Dublin, then Offaly, then either Louth or Westmeath. i.e. counties that border Meath - I will rephrase.

(2) No odds on the lazy paper stuff - too easy. I assume if I quoted a price on O'Callaghan to play you'd then look for a price on him not to play. But anyway, I'd give you 12/1 on him starting a championship match.

(3) I'll get back to you on Ronan Clarke for the All star, and Armagh for the Rackard - will probably be around 5/1 or so on each, but that's not an offer yet - I'll have to investigate.

(4) We have around ten Ladbrokes shops in Derry, recently acquired. Otherwise it's Ladbrokes.com, or the telebetting - 1800 777 888. I know the website is not as good as PP, but we're working on it!

(5) Wicklow for the Christy Ring, I will get to later - all hurling stuff to follow next week.

(6) Hadn't thought of spreads for the championship - I'll do those next week as well.


Must dash, away to Punchestown now. Keep the requests coming, I'll try to look after everything.



Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: amallon on April 26, 2007, 11:56:11 AM
What odds on Benny Coulter for an All Star?  20-1??
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: his holiness nb on April 26, 2007, 12:05:41 PM
"2/1 Dublin to be eliminated from the championship by a team they led by at least five points at any stage"

>:(

good odds there

:-[


Incidentally, great work Lone Shark  :)
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Gnevin on April 26, 2007, 12:10:01 PM
Where can i take some of these bets?
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Hollow Man on April 26, 2007, 01:57:03 PM
Quote2/1      Jason Reilly to score more goals than any other individual Cavan Player

Looks good.

Gallagher for an All Star? Better chance of Gallagher for a bullet the way the **** is playing...
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Mayo4Sam on April 26, 2007, 01:59:49 PM
Sorry Gnevin, my bad, i assumed when u were asking the question it was in relation to dublin
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Gnevin on April 26, 2007, 02:10:25 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on April 26, 2007, 01:59:49 PM
Sorry Gnevin, my bad, i assumed when u were asking the question it was in relation to dublin
No worries , i suggest you do as I'm planning to do and blame loneshark for his poorly phrased bets  :P :)
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Uladh on April 26, 2007, 02:13:48 PM

Jaysus, you couldn't work out what the gist was?
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Gnevin on April 26, 2007, 02:17:46 PM
Quote from: Uladh on April 26, 2007, 02:13:48 PM

Jaysus, you couldn't work out what the gist was?

No i thought he meant counties on the border of Leinster ,dont ask why
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Dinny Breen on April 26, 2007, 02:29:33 PM
QuoteNo i thought he meant counties on the border of Leinster ,dont ask why

GN, I see you post on the Leinsterfans website, you must have been thinking of Leinster rugby at the time  :P
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Gnevin on April 26, 2007, 02:39:07 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 26, 2007, 02:29:33 PM
QuoteNo i thought he meant counties on the border of Leinster ,dont ask why

GN, I see you post on the Leinsterfans website, you must have been thinking of Leinster rugby at the time  :P
I have too set that lot right ! Winter is for Rugby , Summer for GAA  it's perfect .
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Uladh on April 27, 2007, 10:52:26 AM

Any odds on the provincial minor championships?
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: his holiness nb on April 27, 2007, 11:24:59 AM
If Tyrone overcome the question marks over them and have a strong year (i expect them to hit the AI semi at least) then Stephen O'Neill at 25-1 looks a good outside bet for top scorer
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: MacDanger on April 27, 2007, 01:23:46 PM
Some interesting bets there, fair play lone shark.

Can any of these be accessed online for the exiles among us? or will we have to get some at home to stick on the money for us??
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: IolarCoisCuain on April 27, 2007, 01:42:19 PM
The Lone Shark works for Ladbrokes. http://www.ladbrokes.com.

What an astonishing amount of bets he's put up there. I think he deserves a lot of support. Are any of these available in the shops Lone Shark? Online betting has its pluses of course, but the shops for the atmosphere and cameraderie always. ;)
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Lone Shark on April 28, 2007, 03:07:24 PM

Right, I'm back, so I can go through these one by one......

(1) Bets are available online, just go to GAA - Tournament Betting - Specials. Shops will quote you, but they'll have to ring up - screens wouldn't be capable of scrolling this amount of information. Alternatively you can call the telebetting - 1800 777 888. (Apologies for the plugging once again!!) - it would help if you mentioned to the operator the above path to find them all. From a purely selfish point of view, it's much better for me if ye go on the phone or net.

(2) Provincial minor is a bit of a big ask - after all most teams haven't even played yet. I have nothing to go on with these, so I'll need to see each team play at least one game before I'll be pricing that.

(3) All Star Quotes - 16/1 Coulter, 8/1 Ronan Clarke. I'll get back to ye on the Nicky Rackard.

(4) I'm aware my phrasing is appalling - incidentally I meant Caffrey to be photographed on duty for the guards, like last year, just in case there is any ambiguity there.


Anyway, keep the questions coming, or better yet, the bets.....   ;)

Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on April 30, 2007, 01:44:36 PM
Quote10/1      Fergal Wilson to score a point TV cameras subsequently prove to be wide

:D Talk about not harbouring any grudges...
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: SimpleSimon on April 30, 2007, 06:25:25 PM
Gd work lone shark but im a keen punter and i like to see the bookmaker offering both sides of an outcome.
EG AN Other to recieve an allstar. Can u offer me a price that a player wont get an allstar or wont make the quarter finals etc etc. I think some of your prices are very short. thats why i want the other side to bet on it.

Down To draw a match EVS. Wat price not to draw a match etc etc
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Lone Shark on April 30, 2007, 10:35:13 PM
It depends - it's feasible on some events, it's not really on others. I can't really offer not to win an All Star except at ridiculous prices, because to do so would be an invitation to people who are prone to inside information such as a guy that has just got an injury. Much the same as you won't get a bookie offering prices on horses not to win etc.

Regarding the other specials, well ask me for a price and I'll do my best. Obviously some of them are more designed to be novelty specials (The Fergal Wilson example) but I'll certainly see what I can do. Feel free to use private message if you'd prefer, either way.
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: criostlinn on May 07, 2007, 08:12:55 PM
Betting suspended on david brady to start a championship match at 2/1. Must have been a few bets on this
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Lone Shark on May 07, 2007, 08:31:40 PM
Unsurprisingly his run at the weekend has changed matters somewhat. I picked a bad day to be off yesterday. I may have to call in the snipers.

Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Bainisteoir on May 07, 2007, 10:01:36 PM
Any odds on another armagh player suffering a knee injury  ;)
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: SimpleSimon on May 07, 2007, 11:39:54 PM
Loneshark, any word on the hurling prices you mentioned?
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: SimpleSimon on May 16, 2007, 12:29:21 AM
Any progress on the hurling? Christy ring and nicky rackard competitions?
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: corn02 on May 16, 2007, 01:09:58 AM
Nice work Lone Shark,

Benny Coulter 25/1 top goalscorer is a value bet. Unless I read wrong?
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: oakleaf stateside on May 16, 2007, 02:20:18 AM
Derry 2 be knocked out before bradley is back 5/1 very good bet. does that include the back door?? :-\
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Lone Shark on May 16, 2007, 05:31:24 AM
I had Coulter at 25/1 there for a while, but a few lads have got on in the last few days, so 16/1 now. Doesn't take much money to run up big liability at those prices I'm afraid.

Oakleaf, that Bradley bet does include the backdoor certainly - otherwise it would have been 5/1 on Derry not to reach the Ulster Final - a quite generous price that would be all right .....  ;)

Simple Simon, you have my heartfelt apologies for being so slow on this. I've got bogged down in a lot of election betting over the last few days, both pricing and media stuff, so I've been chasing my tail for a while. I'm still working on the county by county specials, but I've done up my prices on the Ring and Rackard Cups - I've added them to the specific thread on those competitions, as well as here. Apologies if you were expecting something similar to last year's 7/2 on Derry, I'm afraid I wasn't involved back then - at leastnot in the pricing.....  ;)

(Now I'll have spoken too soon and there will be another wojious rick somewhere...... :'()

I've had some horror stories trying to put excel sheets into this board, so I'm going to try a print screen/bitmap effort instead - here goes nothing ......


(http://www.imagehoop.com/view_image/4ef632322/Ring%20and%20Rackard%20Cup%20Prices.bmp)
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Lone Shark on May 16, 2007, 05:32:48 AM
Here goes nothing is right.

Just follow this link .... I'll put up the link to ladbrokes site tomorrow when it gets uploaded.

http://www.ladbrokes.com/lbr_sports?action=go_generic_link&level=TYPE&key=210001631&disp_sort_id=29&category=SPORTS&subtypes= (http://www.ladbrokes.com/lbr_sports?action=go_generic_link&level=TYPE&key=210001631&disp_sort_id=29&category=SPORTS&subtypes=)
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Stranworst on May 16, 2007, 10:41:26 AM
Lone Shark any odds on it being a Down Donegal Ulster final??

Just gt the odds on the two reaching the final and use it in a double or is there a special price??
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Lone Shark on May 16, 2007, 10:59:14 AM
33/1 on a Down Donegal Ulster Final.
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Uladh on May 16, 2007, 11:24:34 AM

now thats an attention grabber LS

Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Mid Mon on May 16, 2007, 12:14:38 PM
Do that bet with boyle sports as a double e/w for ulster championship. its almost 45-1
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Loup Bandit on May 16, 2007, 12:56:53 PM
Lone Shark, some good plugging there!  :D
I currently have a paddy power account but in fairness you have made a big effort with your gaelic bets and specials, so im tempted to open a ladbrokes account.
Are there any offers for opening an account e.g a free bet when registering or using a telebetting service??



Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Lone Shark on May 16, 2007, 02:20:36 PM
Quote from: Loup Bandit on May 16, 2007, 12:56:53 PM
Lone Shark, some good plugging there!  :D
I currently have a paddy power account but in fairness you have made a big effort with your gaelic bets and specials, so im tempted to open a ladbrokes account.
Are there any offers for opening an account e.g a free bet when registering or using a telebetting service??





There are a lot of promos that do be going on, but I've no idea what's current - however if you were to open an account and befroe you deposit, email and say that you saw a link on www.farbets.co.uk (http://www.farbets.co.uk) I'm sure you'd be fine. It might get done automatically, but I've no idea to be honest.

Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 16, 2007, 02:25:25 PM
Quote from: Mid Mon on May 16, 2007, 12:14:38 PM
Do that bet with boyle sports as a double e/w for ulster championship. its almost 45-1

Mid Mon, explain that because I don't think you are right.

I presume you are working it out as the win on Down or Donegal going on to the place return on the other.  It doesn't work like that.  Once one leg is beaten your entire win double part of the bet is a loser so you only have the place double still alive.

Even if they did allow you to place a double on the Ulster championship (which I am not sure they would) one selection can't possibly win therefore you only have the place double running for you.

So £1EW on 10/3 and 28/1 at 1/3 odds would return £21.80, but as it cost you £2 you aren't even getting 10/1.
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Mid Mon on May 16, 2007, 03:18:07 PM
think i'll leave the odds to loan shark from now on!!!
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Loup Bandit on May 16, 2007, 04:52:08 PM
Thanks Lone Shark!
any specials or bets strike as being good value?

I have done a provincial accumulator, got them up in 2005 and made a very healthy profit.
This year i done Donegal at 4/1, Dublin at 11/8, Mayo at 11/8 and Kerry at 1/3!
fingers crossed!!

As pointed out in The sunday World newspaper, Colm McFadden is good value to be top championship scorer. 33/1 offered by Lone shark
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: MacDanger on May 17, 2007, 07:19:31 AM
Lone shark, The Mayo bet or DB to start a game at 2/1 is gone?? Too many bets?? Was going to stick a few quid on before the team is named.
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: MacDanger on May 17, 2007, 07:34:56 AM
Any specials relating to JOM and say Mayo winning Connacht/AI?
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: SimpleSimon on May 17, 2007, 12:27:40 PM
Where in the north are your shops? Are there any in Belfast?
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Lone Shark on May 17, 2007, 01:24:50 PM
David Brady bet is long gone - I'm just hoping it won't take my job with it. I was under the impression that himself and McGarrity were going to come back around the same time. He's about 1/10 to start now, I have to pray I get a few decent results over the weekend to take the sting out of it.

No shops in Belfast, only in Derry yet. Internet betting, it's the only way forward .....

Incidentally it seems my comments about the Rackard cup came back to bite me on the ass - obviously Roscommon aren't the strong favourites I thought they were. Woke up this morning to a lot of Armagh bets, so the liability limit was chopped - apologies to any that only got on small bets as a result....

I wouldn't generally be a fan of accumulators myself. My money will be on Kildare with a one point start this weekend. As for Colm McFadden, the only reason he's such a big price is that he tends not to score seven or eight points a game - he often ends up splitting the frees with other lads. I can see the logic behind it all the same.
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Loup Bandit on May 17, 2007, 02:43:51 PM
Lone Shark, what odds you offering on match betting this weekend? I cant get on the ladbrokes link today. >:(

A lot of things has to go your way with a provincial accumulator but i thought it was good value.
Are you set to lose much over the David Brady bet to start a c'ship game?

Were you aware of loads of money coming in for queen's University to beat Derry in the McKenna cup earlier this year, and think it was taken down or cut away in? Sure enough the gamble didnt pay off as derry won the game.
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Lone Shark on May 17, 2007, 03:00:29 PM
Louth   Wicklow    2/7     9/1    10/3
Meath   Kildare    5/6     6/1    11/8
Galway   Mayo    6/5      6/1     1/1
Waterford   Clare    5/2     8/1     2/5
Cork   Limerick    2/7     9/1    10/3
Fermanagh   Tyrone    5/1    10/1     1/6
Down   Cavan   11/10   13/2     1/1
Down   Derry    1/3    10/1     5/2

Draw in the middle.

Not going to lose so much that Ladbrokes will be closing it's doors or anything, but obviously my superiors would be a lot less pleased with losing money on a market like that than losing money on (for example) laying Mayo at even money in the match this weekend. However seeing as in the absence of doing anything special people just go with PP out of force of habit, all too often I end up with more money on special markets than I do on match betting.

I was aware of that game earlier in the year - very aware. But this is a public forum, so that's all I'm going to say about that.
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: applepicker1 on May 17, 2007, 03:02:21 PM
Cmon Lone shark. you r tellin a few fibs there. ur limits wr always low as u took a bad beaten last year on this event- i knw this as i tried for a bet and i was offered €35.50 at 4/1 on armagh. and i tried this within minutes of the event being posted on your website as i checked every 10mins for couple of hours. Also tried for a bet in ladbrokes shops and was refused what i asked for. Im sure everyone will agree on here that u are offering some interesting odds and some not so interesting but surely if u see urself as the "gaa oddscomiler" that u say u are...if u put prices up be willing to lay them, and not have us jump through hoops to get the bets on. Why apologise for the small bets laid when its u making the decision to refuse them (or maybe u are not)

Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Loup Bandit on May 17, 2007, 03:22:41 PM
Just outta interest, here's the prices on paddy power;

20th May 2007
14:10 Louth v Wicklow    1 - 3    9 - 1    11 - 4   

14:15 Fermanagh v Tyrone   
RTE 2
  4 - 1    9 - 1    2 - 9   

15:30 Cork v Limerick    2 - 11    10 - 1    9 - 2   


15:30 Waterford v Clare    13 - 5    8 - 1    4 - 11   


16:00 Galway v Mayo   
RTE 2
  5 - 4    6 - 1    10 - 11 


16:00 Meath v Kildare    4 - 5    7 - 1    13 - 10   


16:15 Down v Cavan    evens    6 - 1    11 - 10   


Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: armaghniac on May 17, 2007, 03:30:20 PM
I don't think Fermanagh will win but might be worth a punt on the spread. They'll surely get 6 or 7 points and with their injuries Tyrone are unlikely to rack up a huge score, so a +5 spread seems might be worth a go.
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Loup Bandit on May 17, 2007, 03:38:11 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 17, 2007, 03:30:20 PM
I don't think Fermanagh will win but might be worth a punt on the spread. They'll surely get 6 or 7 points and with their injuries Tyrone are unlikely to rack up a huge score, so a +5 spread seems might be worth a go.

I totally agree Armaghniac! any idea on what the handicap betting would be in the tyrone game??
id be more assured tho when i see the starting line-up's. Would need a big game from fermanagh, big displays from Owens, Brewster, Little and the likes.
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Bensars on May 17, 2007, 03:38:21 PM
as a tyrone man i would have to agree, that the spread is tempting.

Someone put up earlier that some bookie was offer fermanagh at +7 but still havent found out who.

Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Stranworst on May 17, 2007, 03:39:55 PM
can't see Tyrone hammering them with all their injuries so I'm gonna back Fermanagh with the handicap
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Lone Shark on May 17, 2007, 03:47:17 PM
First of all I'm well aware of what happened last year with Derry - I didn't work for Ladbrokes then, and I was on it myself. Our GAA offering back then was not great, the whole point of all this is to try and turn that perception around.

As for the fibs - the bet was live on our website from early yesterday morning - no bets were struck within the first few hours of it being live, let alone within minutes - the first two bets were both substantial ones, that hit the alarm level, hence it was put back up with the low levels you encountered. I'd be a lot more inclined to try and do you favours (as most people on this board will testify that I have done when asked) if you weren't making up lies yourself trying to convince me that you were hard done by. Nobody bet on the event within an hour of it being made live, let alone within minutes as you claim.

Now as to what happened, once the two large bets made the event "alarm". One of our internet operators took the decision that since I was off work, to put back up the event for small stakes until they got to contact me. (They are all in London, obviously not familiar with Nicky Rackard hurling) I was back on this morning so I looked at the bets and cut the price, and now you can get on a decent bet again. I've no idea what happened in the shop - if you send me a pm with which shop and what time exactly I can investigate. Ideally if you did strike a bet with a reduced stake then the docket number would help also.


Also I was the initial Fermanagh plus seven, but again two days of bets has it into 8/15 I'm afraid. Sadly the early bird tends to catch the worm with these things.
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Stranworst on May 17, 2007, 04:06:42 PM
Paddy Power has Fermanagh plus five at 10/11, might look around tomorrow see if anywhere gonna go evens on it.
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Loup Bandit on May 17, 2007, 04:09:23 PM
So Lone Shark, tell me how do i get a job like yours?  ;D sounds right up my street.

what did fermanagh +7 originally open at??

As i say i'll wait to see the starting line-up's before i bet on it.

Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Stranworst on May 17, 2007, 04:11:25 PM
I've been working part time in a bookies now for about two years surely I could do your job Lone Shark wha??  ;)
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Lone Shark on May 17, 2007, 04:17:13 PM
By all means. Anyone who feels confident enough to put up their prices on Nicky Rackard Hurling, Tommy Murphy football, Galway senior football championship, Waterford Hurling Championship, first goalscorer (on Tuesday) for teams that don't get named until the Sunday, O'Byrne Cup matches, McGrath Cup matchs, club matches, college matches, schoola matches, Irish elections, Irish Soccer, AIB club rugby and top scorer markets in both football and hurling is welcome to apply.


Apologies, I'm in dog awful form today, and that Apple Picker character giving out because the price was gone before he got to get his bet on has my back up a bit.
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Loup Bandit on May 17, 2007, 04:35:56 PM
Right enough Lone Shark, how did you get into that post?

Any vacancies for northern Correspondents / compilers??  ;)

Think im goin to back Mayo this weekend, maybe double it up with fermanagh plus a few points.
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: SimpleSimon on May 17, 2007, 04:39:17 PM
I too tried to get a bet on online and then this morning on the phone. Both times all I got was a minimal stake! I don't by any means think my bet was nailed on but would have liked a decent punt, the guy on the phone couldn't have apologised more, but said it was up to the trader ie you. I know you've a job to do out the price was still up til near lunchtime today!
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Lone Shark on May 17, 2007, 05:11:06 PM
Quote from: Loup Bandit on May 17, 2007, 04:35:56 PM
Right enough Lone Shark, how did you get into that post?

Any vacancies for northern Correspondents / compilers??  ;)

Think im goin to back Mayo this weekend, maybe double it up with fermanagh plus a few points.

Got into it by way of actuary degree, then served my time in Powers, going through shops, phone etc. I'm not long enough in the job to go hiring people yet, but if you want to email me a few details, I can keep you in mind if anything comes up. Drop me a pm and I'll give you contact details. I'm not sure if there would be an opportunity for something Ulster specific, but you never know.



Quote from: SimpleSimon on May 17, 2007, 04:39:17 PM
I too tried to get a bet on online and then this morning on the phone. Both times all I got was a minimal stake! I don't by any means think my bet was nailed on but would have liked a decent punt, the guy on the phone couldn't have apologised more, but said it was up to the trader ie you. I know you've a job to do out the price was still up til near lunchtime today!

I'm working late tonight, so I wasn't available to take the phone this morning. I know it's no consolation, but all I can say to you is that it was there all day yesterday - I flagged it up on the board that I had it done, and I'm afraid that others were in first to get the benefit of what was clearly an incorrect price. I'm 5/2 now, and people are still betting - all I can say is that if that price is any good to you move fast, because I'd say I'll be cutting again soon. I know you have no way of knowing that I'm not doing a Boyles on it and pretending that I've laid a price that never existed, but I'm afraid you're goin to have to take my word on that one.
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Stranworst on May 17, 2007, 05:19:51 PM
Lone Shark-well done, you do some job!!
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: applepicker1 on May 17, 2007, 05:23:11 PM
well lone shark maybe i did tell a wee fib myself, i didnt try to place a bet cos when i checked wat i cud get on MIN<MAX it was 35.50, so knowing that you have prob marked me up i went to one of your shops asked for 600 at 4s and was giving 200 at 4s and the bal at 7/2. 4 hours later it was still 4/1 on the website. Can you explain this? The shop staff were very helpful and apologised thoroughly as they said they dont usually refuse a bet. Lone shark i am agreeing with you that it is a very volatile market to price up but just say that's why you won't lay bets instead of trying to cover your tracks. Armagh are far from a sure thing for this anyway, so dnt know wat the hassle is
I think you are the person who has been pricing up the GAA this time last year and it was you who put up 9/4 derry (maybe bigger) when they wr no bigger than a 1/3 chance

Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Lone Shark on May 17, 2007, 05:43:46 PM
Quote from: applepicker1 on May 17, 2007, 05:23:11 PM
well lone shark maybe i did tell a wee fib myself, i didnt try to place a bet cos when i checked wat i cud get on MIN<MAX it was 35.50, so knowing that you have prob marked me up i went to one of your shops asked for 600 at 4s and was giving 200 at 4s and the bal at 7/2. 4 hours later it was still 4/1 on the website. Can you explain this? The shop staff were very helpful and apologised thoroughly as they said they dont usually refuse a bet. Lone shark i am agreeing with you that it is a very volatile market to price up but just say that's why you won't lay bets instead of trying to cover your tracks. Armagh are far from a sure thing for this anyway, so dnt know wat the hassle is
I think you are the person who has been pricing up the GAA this time last year and it was you who put up 9/4 derry (maybe bigger) when they wr no bigger than a 1/3 chance



First of all that's the first I've heard of that bet - and while I've no huge problem with it, I should have been notified - I suppose it's too much to ask you could tell me which shop?

I never said that I would take on all comers - anyone with even a fleeting knowledge of the betting market (and you clearly know more than this) knows that the scale of the bet laid is in proportion to the scale of the event, and I make no apologies for that. In the absence of a betting market, this becomes all the more magnified. I hope all the people out there who just bet with PP out of habit take note of the fact thatwhile they are gtting loads of headlines for taking bets on Mr Tayto to be next taoiseach, they don't price anything like this. So of course I will be careful - but equally I want to try and accomodate people too. The fact that you have 600 on alreeady though suggests you did okay.

As for me being here last year, I can assure you I wasn't. I was working for Unibet in London and playing with Round Towers over there at the time. A brief check of my post history will confirm this. 

Stranworst, you're a gentleman - remind me to pass on my boss's email address so you can share your sentiments with him .....  ;)
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: SimpleSimon on May 17, 2007, 05:48:07 PM
Your aim was to get more business and well I've moved from my pp account so you've 1 more customer. Obviously the actuary shows you have a great understanding of numbers but is there not serious money to practice in it? Ladbrokes must pay well.
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Lone Shark on May 17, 2007, 07:19:06 PM
Quote from: SimpleSimon on May 17, 2007, 05:48:07 PM
Your aim was to get more business and well I've moved from my pp account so you've 1 more customer. Obviously the actuary shows you have a great understanding of numbers but is there not serious money to practice in it? Ladbrokes must pay well.

There isn't anything like the money that there is in the actuarial profession - bookies are keenly aware of the fact that odds compilers tend to be sports fanatics and thus are happy to spend the whole day involved in one of their great passions, not to put too fine a point on it. Much like Sports journalism - you won't make your fortune, but a lot of the people involved don't care - fans with typewriters and all that. (So based on that, you'll never guess which odds compiler likes to spend free time freelancing for the Offaly Indo.....  ;))

However if you do reasonably well at your job and you're willing to commit wholeheartedly to it, you can do okay. I take about one day off per week on average, but even on that day I'll still get four or five work related calls. If you don't want to just punch in time and you start taking you markets personally, you'll make a reasonable salary and hopefully make a few quid punting yourself on the side. Hopefully!!

Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: armaghniac on May 17, 2007, 07:27:05 PM
Well sure you are as well trying to predict the likelihood of Tyrone getting 7 points more than Fermanagh than being an actuary and working out when pople are going to die.
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Stranworst on May 17, 2007, 07:47:59 PM
What do you mean red hand?
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: criostlinn on May 17, 2007, 08:31:20 PM
I want to compliment you lone shark on the work your doing. I to was a pp man but its great to have a bit of competition in the market. I have opened my account with Ladbrokes and hopefully courtesy of David Brady ill have a good balance to get me through the summer. I hear Brady may not start sunday as he is not match fit yet and with his history for injuries, you never know the bosses could be very happy with you.

Why is it every thread on this board has to be interrupted by some lug ?


Quote from: Red Nose Red Hand on May 17, 2007, 07:53:31 PM
Quote from: Stranworst on May 17, 2007, 07:47:59 PM
What do you mean red hand?

33/1 on means that you must bet £33 to win one pound
33/1 against means that you will win £33 if you bet one pound
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Lone Shark on May 17, 2007, 08:47:21 PM
Quote from: Red Nose Red Hand on May 17, 2007, 07:34:11 PM
Quote from: Lone Shark on May 16, 2007, 10:59:14 AM
33/1 on a Down Donegal Ulster Final.

Surely somebody in the betting trade knows that this should be 33/1 against a Down-Donegal Ulster Final

An incorrect turn of phrase I'll grant you. More a reflection of the fact that I learnt my trade (granted I have a lot more to learn it appears  ;)) in college and then in an office rather than clerking at Shelbourne Park or Ballinrobe than anything else though.
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Muzz on May 17, 2007, 11:14:24 PM
Criostlinn has a point Red Nose.  If on your slip you have 6/4 how can the bookies pay out at 4/6? 

I'm not getting into the argument I am just curious as I might have to start writing on and against just to make sure ;-)  Any clarification would be greatly appreciated.  Hopefully you wont have to change your name to Red Faced Red Hand.

BTW...after the tyrone team named tonight...no mugsy...mcginley...surely them odds for Fermanagh plus 7 are going further in? 

Anyone found them at evens yet even for plus 5?
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 18, 2007, 08:35:57 AM
f**k sake lads, would you take your chilidsh squabbles over to Hoganstand, you are spoiling a decent and genuine thread.

It is obvious that a Down / Donegal final would be 33/1 and not 1/33 - end of story.



Even though LS is well capable of standing up for himself I can confirm that he was't the Ladbrokes compiler this time last year.  Do you think he would have come up with ricks like these that surfaced on Ladbrokes last year:

Offaly 1st score vs Dublin @ 7/4
Cork 1st Score vs Kerry @ 7/4
Tipp 1st Score vs KK @ 6/4
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: thewobbler on May 18, 2007, 09:15:11 AM
Admin, I don't ask for much, but can you please tidy up this thread to remove all entries to and for Red Nose Red Hand?

This would be a very useful thread if the simple of mind didn't hijack it.
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Loup Bandit on May 18, 2007, 10:08:22 AM
As discussed about betting on fermanagh with a few points in hand, William hill go Fermanagh +4 at 5/4.
May not be enough points though, i wudnt have minded it even +5.

Not the strongest tyrone team which was named but should still win and have mugsy and mc ginley on th bench.

Any one strongly fancy mayo to beat galway? Mayo -1 ate 5/4 with William Hill.
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: MacDanger on May 18, 2007, 11:51:24 AM
No DB starting on Sunday Lone Shark, you might keep your job after all!!

Any combinations with Mayo and JOM getting elected?
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Red Nose Red Hand on May 18, 2007, 01:44:18 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 18, 2007, 09:15:11 AM
Admin, I don't ask for much, but can you please tidy up this thread to remove all entries to and for Red Nose Red Hand?

This would be a very useful thread if the simple of mind didn't hijack it.


I've deleted mine. 
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: bennydorano on May 21, 2007, 11:06:58 AM
Had a nice wee bet on Waterford yesterday, only got 5/2 in my local bookies which was disappointing as they were 4/1 on Thursday with PP,think the prices shortened when Clare announced a team with 9 debutants.
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Loup Bandit on May 23, 2007, 02:03:31 PM
fermanagh +4 at 5/4 was a good bet for the weekend past there!  ;D

any thoughts on this weekend?

Lone Shark, have you any good specials on the armagh - donegal game??
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Jack Dempsey on May 23, 2007, 02:40:00 PM
Quote from: Loup Bandit on May 23, 2007, 02:03:31 PM
fermanagh +4 at 5/4 was a good bet for the weekend past there!  ;D

any thoughts on this weekend?

Lone Shark, have you any good specials on the armagh - donegal game??

what about fermanagh +7 @ 4/5. now that was a good bet.
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Loup Bandit on May 23, 2007, 03:49:11 PM
what about fermanagh +7 @ 4/5. now that was a good bet.
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Certainly jack, did you lump on? although a shorter price than what i got it was obviously a much better cushion!!
a seven point start in any ulster game is a big help.
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Lone Shark on May 23, 2007, 11:44:04 PM
Quote from: Loup Bandit on May 23, 2007, 02:03:31 PM
fermanagh +4 at 5/4 was a good bet for the weekend past there!  ;D

any thoughts on this weekend?

Lone Shark, have you any good specials on the armagh - donegal game??

Haven't anything specific - all the usual markets though. I've gone best price Donegal myself - sneaking suspicion that there might be life in the ould dog yet.
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: SimpleSimon on May 24, 2007, 03:17:06 AM
what about man of the match betting?
What is your betting on the cork and clare hurling match, any specials there?
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Handball Ace on May 24, 2007, 07:55:34 AM
What are you giving on Donegal?
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Lone Shark on May 24, 2007, 11:34:53 AM
Not sure how this will work, but I've posted the Cork vs clare stuff below.....

Gone 8/11 Donegal. Cashmans have trumped me in the meantime with 4/5 after we're committed to being printed on a coupon, but I may push towards the weekend if nothing comes in.


      Match Betting         

4/11   Cork    9/1    Draw   13/5    Clare
               
      Handicap Betting         
               
5/4    Cork (-4pts)    8/1    Draw    4/5    Clare (+4pts)
               
      To Qualify for the Next Round         
               
3/10   Cork         12/5    Clare
               
      Winning Margin Betting         
               
13/2    Cork   1-2 pts   Clare   13/2    
11/2    Cork   3-4 pts   Clare   11/1    
11/2    Cork   5-6 pts   Clare   20/1    
13/2    Cork   7-8 pts   Clare   33/1    
8/1    Cork   9-10 pts   Clare   66/1    
14/1    Cork   11-12 pts   Clare   125/1    
15/2    Cork   13 pts or more   Clare   80/1    
               
      Double Result Betting         
   Half Time   Full Time         
4/5    Cork   Cork         
20/1    Cork   Draw         
9/1    Cork   Clare         
10/1    Draw   Cork         
66/1    Draw   Draw         
25/1    Draw   Clare         
6/1    Clare   Cork         
20/1    Clare   Draw         
11/2    Clare   Clare         
               
      Total Goals in The Match         
               
8/1    None      Exactly 4   15/2    
3/1    Exactly 1      Exactly 5   10/1    
9/5    Exactly 2      6 Or More   20/1    
10/3    Exactly 3            
               
      Total Goals Over/Under         
               
4/7    Under 2.5      Over 2.5    5/4    
               
      Total Cork Goals         
               
21/10   None      Exactly Two    7/2    
6/5    Exactly One      Three or More   11/2    
               
      Total Clare Goals         
               
13/10   None      Exactly Two   13/2    
11/10   Exactly One      Three or More    9/1    
               
      Which Teams Will Score a Goal?         
               
8/1    Neither      Clare Only    4/1    
23/10   Cork Only      Both    1/1    
               
      To Score the First Point         
               
8/11   Cork      Clare   11/10   
               
      To Score the First Goal         
               
10/11   Cork    8/1    No Goal    6/5    Clare
               
      To Score the Last Point         

10/11   Cork      Clare   10/11   
               
      To Score the Last Goal         
               
10/11   Cork    8/1    No Goal    6/5    Clare

      First Scoring Play         
               
2/1    Cork point from play      Clare point from play    5/2    
3/1    Cork point from a placed ball      Clare point from a placed ball    7/2    
22/1    Cork goal      Clare goal   25/1    
               
      All Bets 70 mins play         
      Singles Accepted         

      First Goalscorer         

5/1    J Deane      F Lynch    8/1    
6/1    B O'Connor      B Gaffney    8/1    
8/1    T McCarthy      N Gilligan    8/1    
16/1    P Cronin      A Quinn    9/1    
16/1    J O'Connor      C Lynch   12/1    
18/1    K Murphy (Erin's Own)      B Nugent   14/1    
20/1    N McCarthy      J Clancy   14/1    
28/1    T Kenny      D McMahon   25/1    
66/1    R Curran      K Dilleen   33/1    
               
8/1    No Goalscorer      No Goalscorer    8/1    
               
      Last Goalscorer         

5/1    J Deane      F Lynch    8/1    
6/1    B O'Connor      B Gaffney    8/1    
8/1    T McCarthy      N Gilligan    8/1    
16/1    P Cronin      A Quinn    9/1
16/1    J O'Connor      C Lynch   12/1
18/1    K Murphy (Erin's Own)      B Nugent   14/1
20/1    N McCarthy      J Clancy   14/1
28/1    T Kenny      D McMahon   25/1
66/1    R Curran      K Dilleen   33/1
            
8/1    No Goalscorer      No Goalscorer    8/1
            
      To Score a Goal at any time      

8/5    J Deane      F Lynch   11/4
2/1    B O'Connor      B Gaffney   11/4
11/4    T McCarthy      N Gilligan   11/4
13/2    P Cronin      A Quinn   10/3
13/2    J O'Connor      C Lynch    9/2
7/1    K Murphy (Erin's Own)      B Nugent   11/2
8/1    N McCarthy      J Clancy   11/2
12/1    T Kenny      D McMahon   10/1
28/1    R Curran      K Dilleen   14/1
            
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Handball Ace on May 24, 2007, 11:44:19 AM
Will you post the Donegal/Armagh stuff please...

Also, could you give prices on Monaghan minors for Ulster and for All ireland?

Got stung on the U21s might try to get my bread back!
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: armaghniac on May 24, 2007, 12:32:41 PM
QuoteWill you post the Donegal/Armagh stuff please...

why not just look at the Ladbrokes website?

Lone Shark in the last week or so you've moved your odds for Sam in line with everyone else, reversing the Donegal/Armagh situation, is this a weight of money issue,as there hasn't been any new team news etc in this period?

Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: bombidal on May 24, 2007, 07:31:55 PM
id say its the realisation that Armagh are in fact quiet poor ( now 7th favs for Sam ) and are heading down the same path as Meath a few years back.
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: joebloggs on May 25, 2007, 04:25:13 AM
can you not bet on louth scorers?
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Stranworst on May 26, 2007, 11:20:31 AM
You about today Lone Shark??
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: SimpleSimon on May 27, 2007, 04:58:08 PM
Loneshark, down south for the long weekend, called into 1 of your shops and couldn't get any prices for either the ring or rackard cups! What's the story?
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Lone Shark on May 30, 2007, 09:07:03 AM
Quote from: Handball Ace on May 24, 2007, 11:44:19 AM
Also, could you give prices on Monaghan minors for Ulster and for All ireland?

Got stung on the U21s might try to get my bread back!

5/1 to win Ulster, 25/1 to win the All Ireland. I haven't done up a full list for this yet, will be coming up once every team has played at least one game.

Quote from: SimpleSimon on May 27, 2007, 04:58:08 PM
Loneshark, down south for the long weekend, called into 1 of your shops and couldn't get any prices for either the ring or rackard cups! What's the story?

I've no idea what went on there - due to the volume of stuff I'm doing (it might not seem like much, but it's a lot more than last year) sometimes the screens have to pick and choose what they show due to capacity issues, and obviously something like that could get left aside. Having said that, the shop staff should have contacted HQ - I assume you told them that prices were available online? If you could drop me a PM with which shop it was, that would be helpful .....

Quote from: joebloggs on May 25, 2007, 04:25:13 AM
can you not bet on louth scorers?

Last week's non live games were fairly low profile and I was out of the country for a spell - from now on all non-live matches will have goalscorer betting as well as the live ones.

Quote from: armaghniac on May 24, 2007, 12:32:41 PM
QuoteWill you post the Donegal/Armagh stuff please...

why not just look at the Ladbrokes website?

Lone Shark in the last week or so you've moved your odds for Sam in line with everyone else, reversing the Donegal/Armagh situation, is this a weight of money issue,as there hasn't been any new team news etc in this period?


Some of it was money - Donegal and Cork are the two outright results i really don't want (though I don't think either team can win Sam to be honest) however it was as much the fact that all the injury news turned out to be genuine. It's not that as a bookie I think the whole world is out to deceive me, but as we all know, the injury news about a county star only for him to make a miraculous recovery in time for the big game is well documented. I had to play the doubting thomas and actually see for myself that Armagh were genuinely understrength as it were. Put the fingers in the spear wounds, so to speak.
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Loup Bandit on June 05, 2007, 01:29:34 PM
Bakers aside, did anyone make any dough at the weekend?

Any good specials taken advantage off?
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: magpie seanie on June 05, 2007, 03:32:44 PM
Not a big gambler but the Meath +3 came up for me. Along with the few bob on Manilou and breaking even on the dogs I did ok. A slump is in the post.... Note to self - do not back Sligo!
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Lone Shark on July 13, 2007, 07:25:34 PM
We're back and going again. These are all up until Saturday afternoon and the start of the qualifiers, but they will be revised and put back up next week.

http://www.ladbrokes.com/lbr_sports?action=go_generic_link&level=TYPE&key=210004272&disp_sort_id=28&category=SPORTS&subtypes=

I know I've been at this a lot this week, so if people feel like I'm spamming just say so - I've no wish to clog up the board, it's merely a case of when I do stuff that's a bit different.....

Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: The Claw on July 13, 2007, 08:02:41 PM
Shark, dont see any odds on the website for Meath v Down Christy Ring?
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Lone Shark on July 13, 2007, 09:48:27 PM
Quote from: The Claw on July 13, 2007, 08:02:41 PM
Shark, dont see any odds on the website for Meath v Down Christy Ring?

After last week I'd prefer not to.
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: The Claw on July 13, 2007, 09:59:48 PM
 :)Not even outright odds?
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Lone Shark on July 14, 2007, 12:25:57 AM
After last week, I'm afraid not. I suspect it'll be a long time before prices are offered on a Down hurling game ever again.
Title: Re: GAA Special Bets for the Football Championship
Post by: Louth Exile on July 14, 2007, 11:36:11 AM
Fair play to you LS, I see you have prices on player to score a goal at anytime in the Monaghan v Tyrone game.
I know he's not named to start but wouldn't mind a sporting tenner on Paul Finlay. I know he is not quoted and you are going 33/1 Bar so hoping when I head into Ladbrokes in Navan now that others on request will apply......