Man Utd Thread:

[BennyCake]

Seems like Poch is the last resort if Ole goes.

If there wasn't this influx of foreign managers/players in the PL, clubs would be looking at British and Irish managers like in the early to mid 90's. The likes of Keegan, Dalglish, Howard Wilkinson, Hoddle, George Graham, Souness, Redknapp, Joe Royle, Big Ron etc were managing the top teams then. Today's equivalent would be the likes of Bruce, Hughes, Big Sam, Hughton, Dean Smith, Southgate, Lampard etc.

You might laugh at the likes of United going for such managers these day, but maybe that's what is partly missing. Managers who came through the club, understand the links/past, the community/people working there and supporting the club, the youth set up, etc, rather than a foreign manager who has no links to the country, never mind the area.

It's a shame in a way, because we all grew up watching these men as players and most of them don't stand a chance of remaining with a top division team. All pushed out by the influx of foreign managers and club financiers demanding instant success and high profits.

[Will it ever end]

Or ... maybe being a good player or club legend doesn't necessarily make you a good manager ... if only there was a very recent example of this to back it up???

[Geoff Tipps]

Seems like Poch is the last resort if Ole goes.

If there wasn't this influx of foreign managers/players in the PL, clubs would be looking at British and Irish managers like in the early to mid 90's. The likes of Keegan, Dalglish, Howard Wilkinson, Hoddle, George Graham, Souness, Redknapp, Joe Royle, Big Ron etc were managing the top teams then. Today's equivalent would be the likes of Bruce, Hughes, Big Sam, Hughton, Dean Smith, Southgate, Lampard etc.

You might laugh at the likes of United going for such managers these day, but maybe that's what is partly missing. Managers who came through the club, understand the links/past, the community/people working there and supporting the club, the youth set up, etc, rather than a foreign manager who has no links to the country, never mind the area.

It's a shame in a way, because we all grew up watching these men as players and most of them don't stand a chance of remaining with a top division team. All pushed out by the influx of foreign managers and club financiers demanding instant success and high profits.

Surely he's top of the list if Ole goes!?

[BennyCake]

Or ... maybe being a good player or club legend doesn't necessarily make you a good manager ... if only there was a very recent example of this to back it up???

Yes but if you didn't have all the foreign managers in the PL, you're left with a lot of managers like those above. One of them would be winning the league, FA Cup etc. Someone like Mark Hughes or Steve Bruce could be at United winning all around them, or Big Sam doing likewise at Liverpool or Arsenal.

But we'll never know because of those pesky foreigners

[Captain Obvious]

Or ... maybe being a good player or club legend doesn't necessarily make you a good manager ... if only there was a very recent example of this to back it up???

Yes but if you didn't have all the foreign managers in the PL, you're left with a lot of managers like those above. One of them would be winning the league, FA Cup etc. Someone like Mark Hughes or Steve Bruce could be at United winning all around them, or Big Sam doing likewise at Liverpool or Arsenal.

But we'll never know because of those pesky foreigners

Serious or on the wind up? .

[BennyCake]

Or ... maybe being a good player or club legend doesn't necessarily make you a good manager ... if only there was a very recent example of this to back it up???

Yes but if you didn't have all the foreign managers in the PL, you're left with a lot of managers like those above. One of them would be winning the league, FA Cup etc. Someone like Mark Hughes or Steve Bruce could be at United winning all around them, or Big Sam doing likewise at Liverpool or Arsenal.

But we'll never know because of those pesky foreigners

Serious or on the wind up? .

Well, take the British or Irish managers managing the highest placed teams: Rodgers, Lampard, Smith, Bruce, Hodgson, Moyes, Potter, Parker, Wilder, Dyche. Throw in Southgate, Giggs, Clarke. After that you have the likes of Hughton, Pulis, Monk, Michael O'Neill etc.

Take the foreign managers away, that's who'd be winning the trophies.

[Geoff Tipps]

Or ... maybe being a good player or club legend doesn't necessarily make you a good manager ... if only there was a very recent example of this to back it up???

Yes but if you didn't have all the foreign managers in the PL, you're left with a lot of managers like those above. One of them would be winning the league, FA Cup etc. Someone like Mark Hughes or Steve Bruce could be at United winning all around them, or Big Sam doing likewise at Liverpool or Arsenal.

But we'll never know because of those pesky foreigners

Serious or on the wind up? .

Well, take the British or Irish managers managing the highest placed teams: Rodgers, Lampard, Smith, Bruce, Hodgson, Moyes, Potter, Parker, Wilder, Dyche. Throw in Southgate, Giggs, Clarke. After that you have the likes of Hughton, Pulis, Monk, Michael O'Neill etc.

Take the foreign managers away, that's who'd be winning the trophies.

If you took Dublin, Kerry and Donegal out of the last 10 years Mayo world have won 6 All Ireland's!! What's your point?? There's a reason the big clubs hire foreign managers. It's because they're generally the best in the business.

[BennyCake]

Or ... maybe being a good player or club legend doesn't necessarily make you a good manager ... if only there was a very recent example of this to back it up???

Yes but if you didn't have all the foreign managers in the PL, you're left with a lot of managers like those above. One of them would be winning the league, FA Cup etc. Someone like Mark Hughes or Steve Bruce could be at United winning all around them, or Big Sam doing likewise at Liverpool or Arsenal.

But we'll never know because of those pesky foreigners

Serious or on the wind up? .

Well, take the British or Irish managers managing the highest placed teams: Rodgers, Lampard, Smith, Bruce, Hodgson, Moyes, Potter, Parker, Wilder, Dyche. Throw in Southgate, Giggs, Clarke. After that you have the likes of Hughton, Pulis, Monk, Michael O'Neill etc.

Take the foreign managers away, that's who'd be winning the trophies.

If you took Dublin, Kerry and Donegal out of the last 10 years Mayo world have won 6 All Ireland's!! What's your point?? There's a reason the big clubs hire foreign managers. It's because they're generally the best in the business.

Yes, money.

The big clubs werent hiring the top foreign coaches pre-mid 90's, as there was more money in Italy, Spain etc.

My point was, that if the foreign managers weren't in the PL, the local managers would be the ones winning and competing for the league/FA Cup etc. The same way Keegan, Dalglish, Big Ron, Royle, Evans, Graham, Wilkinson etc were in the 90's.

[Cunny Funt]

Good response from that silly defeat midweek. Could have won by more than 3-1 when you consider how wasteful Martial was with his chances. Everton goal from their only shot on target. Bruno delivered the required leadership once more. Cavani off the mark.

That's 7 away Premier league wins in a row something United hadn't done since 1993.

[dublin7]

Or ... maybe being a good player or club legend doesn't necessarily make you a good manager ... if only there was a very recent example of this to back it up???

Yes but if you didn't have all the foreign managers in the PL, you're left with a lot of managers like those above. One of them would be winning the league, FA Cup etc. Someone like Mark Hughes or Steve Bruce could be at United winning all around them, or Big Sam doing likewise at Liverpool or Arsenal.

But we'll never know because of those pesky foreigners

Serious or on the wind up? .

Well, take the British or Irish managers managing the highest placed teams: Rodgers, Lampard, Smith, Bruce, Hodgson, Moyes, Potter, Parker, Wilder, Dyche. Throw in Southgate, Giggs, Clarke. After that you have the likes of Hughton, Pulis, Monk, Michael O'Neill etc.

Take the foreign managers away, that's who'd be winning the trophies.

If you took Dublin, Kerry and Donegal out of the last 10 years Mayo world have won 6 All Ireland's!! What's your point?? There's a reason the big clubs hire foreign managers. It's because they're generally the best in the business.

Yes, money.

The big clubs werent hiring the top foreign coaches pre-mid 90's, as there was more money in Italy, Spain etc.

My point was, that if the foreign managers weren't in the PL, the local managers would be the ones winning and competing for the league/FA Cup etc. The same way Keegan, Dalglish, Big Ron, Royle, Evans, Graham, Wilkinson etc were in the 90's.

If you want to go down that road then if all the foreign players playing in the EPL weren't there then the league would be full of Irish and UK footballers. They would be playing for top level teams and great for Ireland but the standard would be far poorer. Same applies to your points about foreign managers

[screenexile]

Are United back again?? It keeps changing every week hard to keep up!

[RedHand88]

Are United back again?? It keeps changing every week hard to keep up!

Theyre still bottom half of the table mind you 

[magpie seanie]

Are United back again?? It keeps changing every week hard to keep up!

People are so reactionary. Fact is the side is decent and improving in several ways but wildly inconsistent. A bit like the teams I grew up watching in the mid 80's. Which isn't good enough to be honest. I'm not convinced sacking Ole and bringing in Pochettino is the answer. He has never won a trophy as a manger and in fact threw away a league to Leicester. Lots of people see him as the panacea for all ills but I wonder....Managing United is not like managing Spurs or Southampton.

Good to see Ole getting a bit thick after the game. No harm.....good to see the bit of fire from him. Yes I know all teams seem to get fcuked over with fixture arrangements by times, not just United, but it shouldn't happen. It doesn't happen in other European countries and it's especially crazy in the current circumstances where supporters don't have to be catered for. Despite everything United are actually in a better position in the league than this time last year. Need to string a few wins together though.

[NAG1]

Are United back again?? It keeps changing every week hard to keep up!

People are so reactionary. Fact is the side is decent and improving in several ways but wildly inconsistent. A bit like the teams I grew up watching in the mid 80's. Which isn't good enough to be honest. I'm not convinced sacking Ole and bringing in Pochettino is the answer. He has never won a trophy as a manger and in fact threw away a league to Leicester. Lots of people see him as the panacea for all ills but I wonder....Managing United is not like managing Spurs or Southampton.

Good to see Ole getting a bit thick after the game. No harm.....good to see the bit of fire from him. Yes I know all teams seem to get fcuked over with fixture arrangements by times, not just United, but it shouldn't happen. It doesn't happen in other European countries and it's especially crazy in the current circumstances where supporters don't have to be catered for. Despite everything United are actually in a better position in the league than this time last year. Need to string a few wins together though.

Exactly MS, because it is United the swings are always bigger and more exaggerated.

Poch is being held up as a Messiah by a lot of fans and yeah the truth is he is unproven at the very top level. If they are going to back Ole then they need to back him and let him at it.

There are a lot of unanswered questions and they are seriously hit and miss, we may just hope that they click again and get on a serious run there is really no doubt that the fire power is there going forward to do so.

[Milltown Row2]

Its not the firepower that would be the main issues.....get rid of Pogba and teach Maguire how to defend would be a start